The American people have many reasons to find the Republican Party and their deeply unpopular President repulsive. This gang of thugs abandoned every principle they ever professed and instead became the party of corruption, dishonesty, incompetence, coddling the privileged and systematically neglecting the nation's needs, while debasing the nation's honor with torture, kidnappings, warrantless spying, aggressive war and unparalleled lawlessness. It is a record unequalled in our history.
But even now, their capacity for meanness stuns us. That meanness is on full display in the right wing effort to smear and intimidate the Frost family for supporting SCHIP -- and the Republican leadership's silent acquiescence to having others do its dirty work. As Time Magazine noted, one "could never have imagined a day would come when a mere seventh grader could be swift-boated." Welcome to the Republican Party in the Age of Meanness.
Democratic leaders have stepped forward to denounce the right wing Republican attacks on the family of the 12-year old who had the temerity to ask Americans to support a bill to provide health care to children. I like this statement from Senator Clinton:
"It pains me that in our country we have 9 million children without health insurance and now we have a President who doesn't think they need health insurance. I thought I'd seen the depth of political partisanship and mean spiritedness but the Republicans and their right wing allies have really taken the cake this time.There was a young boy who was 12 years old named Graeme Frost. He was in a bad car accident and he didn't have health insurance but thankfully he had a program that I helped start in 1997 with Ted Kennedy and others called SCHIP. So Graeme was able to get health care, good health care, that made a tremendous difference in the outcome of his injuries. So when the President vetoed the extension of SCHIP, Graeme and his family stepped forward to illustrate why it was so important....
And boy the whole Republican and right wing attack machine went into overdrive. And they said 'well, they have a house' – yeah, I guess they could sell their house to give their child insurance.
I don't mind if they pick on me. They've done it for years. I think I've proven I can take care of myself. But George Bush and the Republicans should lay off Graeme Frost and all the other millions of American children getting their insurance from SCHIP."
Hillary Clinton has it right, both in deflecting the attacks onto herself and in nailing the right wing slime machine to the Republican Party and their President: it's part of their machine and they need to stop hiding behind it and denounce these continuing attacks on America's children.
Americans are paying attention to the SCHIP debate. They support the SCHIP bill by large majorities, and they want Congress to override President Bush's veto. But thanks to the sheer meanness of the Republican right wing, the SCHIP debate is now more than just about whether America's children deserve health care. This is about branding the Republican Party, and Bush's Party is giving itself a very ugly brand.
Not only are the Republicans standing against providing health care for children; they're standing for meanness, intimidation and smearing ordinary Americans who do nothing more than express their support for a public policy that most Americans support.
The Republicans in Congress have argued that if a 12 year old expresses a view on a public issue, he and his family are "fair game," allowing the meanest of their supporters to investigate his family, expose their personal finances, publish their addresses and phone numbers (thus implicitly inviting right wing morons to harrass and intimidate these people).
But why shouldn't that child or any of America's millions of uninsured children be allowed to speak on this issue, let alone without intimidation? The issue is whether America should expand a workable program that provides health care for children whose families don't have insurance. Millions of families don't have insurance but their kids could get necessary health care under SCHIP. Why isn't any child who receives care under SCHIP entitled to tell Americans that SCHIP deserves America's support?
So exactly what it is about expressing such an opinion that turns this child or millions like him and their families into "fair game" for mean-spirited attacks, invasions of privacy, public exposure and threatening intimidation?
Who are these jerks who think children are "fair game"? And why does the Republican Party tolerate them, use them, invite them to the White House? Where are the condemnations from the Republican Congressional leaders, and especially this Republican President, who created this controversy by his misguided veto and misrepresentations? Do they have any decency left?
Digby has more "wisdom" from the right wing. And KO covered this on Countdown (h/t Kathleen).
Update: Bonddad takes a close look at the insurance "options" facing folks like Graeme's parents. And ThinkProgess explains why Senator Mitch McConnell has been silent: his staff apparently helped disseminate the right wing hit pieces on the family.
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Zed? Morning firepups.
Two days in a row!
Good morning Scarecrow!
Nice going Jim. You’re on a roll.
very impressive response from clinton.
Swift boating a seventh grader, how low can they go?
Good Morning Scarecrow!
Who are these jerks who think a 12 yr old is fair game?
The same people who get work for the DOJ an fly to Detroit in their off hours with intentions to molest little girls they meet on the internet.
The same people who are elected to Congress and then use their influence to proposition Congressional pages.
The same people who think stacking up Iraqi prisoners in Guantanamo in sexually suggestive positions makes for cute photographs to remember the War on Terror by. Trophies from the GWOT!
My God, if you can’t see that, you are blind.
This is about POWER over anybody, any age, any time. It is about Republicans playing dominance and submission games with the citizens of the country.
I have already called and emailed my congresswoman, Judy Biggert, (R-!L-13) to demand why she has not spoken out against the right wing attacks of the Frost family. (Biggert, not suprisingly, voted to sustain the SCHIP veto.)
Inundate your Republican reps/senators demanding that they repudiate these tactics. We need to be putting it back on them and not let up.
The larger point the repubs are trying to make is that if you go against them, they will destroy you. Think of Rumsfeld revealing the name of the Abu-Ghraib whistle blower; Valerie Plame; Murtha; Dan Rather; Bill Maher…..
It is an effective strategy. They have absolutely no morals, it is all just Machiavellian tactics.
And, for what it’s worth, I think Malkin and Rush are getting paid by someone to carry out their orders.
1998: “What will we tell the children?”
2007: “Children are fair game.”
Keith covered it last night. Hopefully he will make Michele Malkin “The Worse Person in the World” today. Contact him
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/
sorta OT, but not entirely. the cost of dissent is being increased - in all kinds of ways (via email this morning)
sign the petition.
This is also the party that has known pedophiles, perverted ideologues, and lustful congressmen in the party lying and stealing for any gain.
If they can stomach killing a million in Iraq what’s one little boy to them.
Keith had Air America’s Rachel Maddow on addressing the Frost family slam. Maddow rips to the core. Keith mentions Michelle Malkin going to the Frost home
“No.”
This has been another edition of Simple Answers to Simple Questions.
Thanks for this, Scarecow.
Do the rethugs have any decency left?
This issue is resonating because of the echo chamber that they create. Let’s use it against them.
Morning Scarecrow. Great post.
And let’s not forget how many times this adm. (especially Gonzales) has said that his goal is to protect the children.
I am pretty sure the political accountants in the goop camp look at SCHIP as nothing but interference with natural selection. If the poor, a constant burden on the economy, are given good health care they stand a chance of surviving grave illness and or injury and that screws up the actuarial tables as well as keeping the “unworthy” alive.
The goopers want dangerous toys from China because it is the poor that buy the cheap toys and that helps cut down on poor people. It is all so simple.
As for the question Is There Any Decency Left in the Republican Party? the answer is not even a faint trace.
Good morning, everyone.
Maybe Hillary has an idea here. Challenge the right wing to take us all on, instead of this kid. We are all Graeme Frost.
I’m waiting to see the backlash against Pres. Carter.
solai @ 15
That was going to be their excuse for regulating the internet, to keep children from predators.
Perhaps I should say one of their excuses, for they are surely still trying to figure out how to get power over the toobz.
And *they* are the predators.
Kathleen @ 12
I was flying home last night and missed it. Is there a link available yet?
Kathleen @ 9
Ah, thanks.
solai @ 18
at least carter has the secret service. what does a 12 year old kid have?
solai @ 18
Do you mean the anti semite Carter?
**sarcasm**
Hi Scarecrow…
About all they have left is attacking 12-year-olds and advertisements, and insisting we’re “winning” someone else’s civil war — if gay marriage isn’t in the news.
And many are quitting/retiring. More than usual.
This is why I think it’s very possible that in roughly the next 10 years they’ll just dissipate, as did the Whigs.
The intimidation used seems to be especially effective within their own party. They’re not all immoral. There must be some that are sickened by this toxicity. But, they’re not brave enough to stand up and say so. Or, they’re blackmailed into silence. Either way, same result.
Wonder why Lieberman hasn’t decried the partisanship.
I think if we push hard enough today, we can convince Keith to make Michelle “the worse person in the world” for tonights spot. Probably a position Michelle is hungry for. Please contact Keith today and vote Michele “Worse person in the world”
If you missed Keith last night here is the clip
He even mentions MM.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/
Scarecrow -
I’m glad you’re calling these slime balls out. And kudos to HC for her response……..tho’ it will never be heard on msm.
Called the closest district office of McIntyre yesterday to register my disgust with his vote on SCHIP and said, “This is the kind of behavior I expect from republics; it is NOT the behavior I expect from an elected representative of my party.”
Interestingly enough, the pleasant person with whom I spoke told me she had never even heard of the ad…….much less all the brouhaha resulting from it. Pretty much says it all about the vote of the person for whom she works. :-(
The MSNBC Countdown transcripts for yesterday are not up yet. Rachel Maddow’s words ripped to the core of the Frost Family/health care issue.
Maddow is brilliant!
dov12348 @ 24
I hope this is true, but I don’t believe it will happen; there is always a segment of any population who behave this way — they’re always there. We’ve just had seven years of them in charge of government, and their thinking is embedded in our federal court system and much of Congress. Exposing these types and sending them to their rooms is a constant battle.
Carter Cheney is a “militant” and a “disaster” for U.S.
This is so worth the read
Jimmy Carter calls Cheney a “disaster” for U.S
Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:42pm EDT
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter on Wednesday denounced Vice President Dick Cheney as a “disaster” for the country and a “militant” who has had an excessive influence in setting foreign policy.
Cheney has been on the wrong side of the debate on many issues, including an internal White House discussion over Syria in which the vice president is thought to be pushing a tough approach, Carter said.
“He’s a militant who avoided any service of his own in the military and he has been most forceful in the last 10 years or more in fulfilling some of his more ancient commitments that the United States has a right to inject its power through military means in other parts of the world,” Carter told the BBC World News America in an interview to air later on Wednesday.
“You know he’s been a disaster for our country,” Carter said. “I think he’s been overly persuasive on President George Bush and quite often he’s prevailed.”
Asked to comment on Carter’s remarks, Megan Mitchell, a spokeswoman for the Republican vice president, said, “We’re not going to engage in this type of rhetoric.”
Carter, a Democrat who was president from 1977 to 1981 and won the 2002 Nobel Peace prize for his charitable work, is a strong critic of the Iraq war and has often been outspoken in his criticism of President George W. Bush.
In a newspaper interview in May, Carter called the Bush administration the “worst in history” in international relations.
Carter did have kind words in the BBC interview for U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
“I’m filled with admiration for Condoleezza Rice in standing up to (Cheney) which she did even when she was in the White House under President George W. Bush,” Carter said, referring to Rice’s former role as White House national security adviser.
“Now secretary of state, her influence is obviously greater than it was then and I hope she prevails,” Carter added.
CNN headlined the story as reported by gooper John Roberts that the story is about what the rightwing bloggers discovered about the family
He is the biggest ass on tv and I wish Russ Feingold would come back and slap him around some more
solai @ 18
tick…tick…tick…
Give it 24 hours………..there’ll be plenty of sh*t meet fan. Scarmouth already started on it this morning expressing his displeasure with past presidents having the audicity to criticize the reigning one. Terribly detrimental to international politics, don’t ya know. Gak!
PS:
Stupak (sp?) on Washington Journal wrt imported food safety.
WTF! How about home-grown food safety?
Lynne Cheney bad mouthing Carter on msnbc… talk about mean!
‘morning all - coffee is ready.
Boy liberals sure get up in a tizzy about meanness. It is not like this boy is a General defending Bush’s illusions of grandeur and a liberal group has taken out an attack ad on him; now that would be outrageous and require condemnation by Congress. The Frosts, well it’s their own fault for being poor and uninsured. Congress should take up debate and condemn all children that are poor or uninsured; that will teach them.
kos lays out the history of Bush’s ‘compassion’ re SCHIP.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/4/124453/149
I live in McIntyre’s district, and emailed him yesterday, asking him to reconsider. Among the issues I based my request on was the need to push back against the intolerance ‘pugs display - that voters will respond to a viable alternative.
Nobody likes a wimp, and DLC is in full-on wimp mode.
SuburbanGirl @ 6
Uh, they haven’t held the Veto override vote as yet (10/18 IIRC) so there is still time to (virtually) beat up on your Rep. So far, all she has done is vote against the original bill. Tell her she still has a small chance to prove that she has basic humanity by voting to override the veto and denounce the attacks on the Frost family.
selise @ 10
sign the petition.
You are totally on target. I signed. The War on Terror is a War against the Constitution, and libruls. This whole Al Qaeda, bad guys versus our great Civilization is a lie.
As we all know, Kommander Guy had a grandfather Prescott, who worked for the Nazis during WWII. The Bin Laden family and Bush family have been long time business partners. George Bush Senior, met with Bin Laden’s brother on the day of 9-11. Hundreds of Saudis, including Bin Laden family members, were flown out of the US immediately, while no citizens could were allowed to fly. The FBI wanted to interview these people about 9-11. Kommander Guy has said he saw the attack on North Tower of the WTC, although it was not televised.
The latest fraud by the Loyal Bushies is the latest Bin Laden video, which is an obvious forgery. This Al Qaeda video, was not released by Al Qaeda, but it was released by the White House. But then it is logical, the White House controls Al Qaeda
I’ll give Clinton props - she does know how to stand up to the bullies… it occurs to me that the pugs certainly have wasted most of their ammo shooting at her and now when they attack, the reaction is more “ho-hum, what’s new?”
Repubs think winning is everything. Winning is the quintessential American quality.
It does not matter HOW you win… lie cheat steal. They simply like to win and gloat in it.
What they are winning is control of “everything” they can lay their hands on, because that means unbounded wealth… and freedom to do whatever they want without accountability.
These are simply selfish greedy people.
But they would never say it… except Ayn Rand… she did.
The Republicans have even lost that icon of pick-up trucks and rebel flags, Merle Haggard!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2.....QmToWs0NUE
Maybe John Edwards and Howard Dean were right all along.
Is Merle Haggard emblematic of a large movement among white male “conservatives” to the Democrats?
David Paul Kuhn, author of “The Neglected Voter: White Men and the Democratic Dilemma” argues Republican dominance of the last 40 years to the “Haggard vote”. During that period white males referring to themselves as Democrats declined from 47% to 25% between the 1950’s and 2004. Much of that shift was a direct consequence of two positions the party took during the ’60s: civil rights and against the Vietnam War.
But perhaps Haggard is not so indicative of a change in the “Red State ethos”…because Haggard says that one of the best things Hillary has going is Bill, who actually is held in as much awe by Haggard as Reagan in Haggard’s opinion.
“He cared about this country, about our problems,” Haggard said, “And I figure that whatever she doesn’t know, he does.”
The question is…are these guys gonna wake up to who actually might be working for their best interests…do they really think that the Republicans give a damn about a bunch of folks that aren’t dropping thousands in corporate contributions to their campaigns…and who can’t offer the Pug Politico a high salaried lobbying job when they “retire”?
solai @ 15, OT but speaking of Gonzo, I see he has lawyered up.
Not to take away from Scarecrow’s fine essay above, but to highlight another piece of writing on the Frosts, morning pups may want to check out TRex’s Late Nite for Wednesday. He has written a snarkalicious proposal, ala Jonathan Swift.
As discussed here lately, the group think we share has many different voices. Scarecrow, the attorney, writes cogent, logical articles. The Therapod is a freak. And, I mean that in a good way. With love.
Both have written well. Different (key)strokes for different folks!
Righteous Merle Haggard quote! Thanks, cinnamonape.
Forgive the OT please, from the Rocky Mountain News reports that Qwest was retaliated against for refusing to go along with the spying programs.
Now in all seriousness: these Frost attackers are the same people claiming to be Chistians.
Jesus Christ said,“What you do for the least of these you’ve done for me,” which in Christian theology means that caring for the children/poor is akin to caring for God.
This is not just about children or insurance; it is an attack machine on anyone that does not buy into the dogma they want all to believe and, for that, they are willing to attack all - children, women, blacks, hispanics, homosexuals, liberals, and in essence anyone that does not repeat the dogma in lockstep. I think these people are more dangerous than the Nazis because they are willing to destroy everything (even our Country) in order to get their new world order.
If you missed Keith last night, the whole program was great. Keith talked about Charlie Savage’s book “The Return of the Imperial Presidency”. A program filled with Republicans who have jumped off the Repub ship John Dean, Bruce Fein trying to save the constitution and our country.
Dean has been on Countdown a lot the last several years. Do yourself a favor and watch the whole Countdown show last night.
Click here and scroll down and send in your comment. This was mine ” Please give Michelle Malkin her just
position “the worse person in the world, O’reilly has held the position far too long”
http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.c.....entmessage
dakine01 @ 44
Imagine my surprise.
cinnamonape @ 5:48 -
Guess the great slime war will soon begin on Haggard - a la Dixie Chicks. ;-(
katherine Graham Cracker @ 31
Yep. John Roberts is just another rightwing shill. Every sentence he utters is loaded with WH talking points.
I was glad the Dems had Graeme Frost on their radio broadcast to rebut George W. Bush. The reason the Flying Monkey Right is going apesh*t is because they know presenting the actual results of their policies will sink them.
These shameless people are not deserving of responses by their adult counterparts. I say the Dems should let 12 year olds respond to all of the idiocy of the Republicans, and only reward the Republicans with adult Democratic responses when they, the Republicans, start behaving like adults.
- Tom
cinnamonape @ 40
Each Saturday a group of us have been standing on the main drag going to our mall and Farmers Market with our “Impeach Cheney , Give Impeachment a chance, and Impeach Bush for Blowing his job” signs. We are getting tons of thumbs up from guys and gals in big American trucks with American flags on them. Does not seem our Reps are listening to 70% of the Americans.
Kathleen @ 26
There’s another “MM” involved [coincidence??????]: Mitch McConnell (D-KY) Senate Minority Leader. The “trash” on the Frost family came from his staff/office. [See KO’s report and outrage re this on last night’s show.]
It’s despicable that ANYONE would do this sort of sliming, but to have it come from one of the party “leaders” shows just how low these worms are — and that’s an insult to worms; I apologize.
Scarecrow @ 49
And to think I was disappointed when he wasn’t chosen by CBS for the spot Couric now occupies!!!
dakine01 @ 43
So if Congress indemnifies ATT and these other telcoms for their illegal acts the evidence that they signed contracts with the NSA that were illegal gets permanently buried…and the “good guy” in this case can’t use that evidence in Court?
Because an illegal act has been made “legal”…thus granting it retroactive legality? And the guy who fought it ends up going to jail for refusing to perform an illegal act?
Now THAT’s ex post facto legislation!
Lynne Cheney sez “Fuc*k the allies, as long as continental US is safe”.
Sick people run this nation.
Also, Jon Stewart didn’t give Lynne Cheney the Chris Matthews treatment…what gives?
-GSD
demi @ 42
Please don’t call our beloved TRex a freak. :)
Yes, his posts on MM have been great, but he and I are aiming at different audiences. Mine has no idea that therapods still exist and are a wonder to behold.
I keep saying this to anyone that will listen. This is all about stifling dissent. It has nothing to do with being “mean” or “indecent”. It is about doing whatever it takes to control the terms of debate.
This is, however, another case where if the Democrats want to they can hang a great big flaming bag of poo around the neck of every Republican who is running next year by simply asking the question “was it Ok to go after Graeme Frost”. Anyone with a braincell knows the right answer to that question and no Republican will be able to answer it honestly.
So let me get this straight. It’s absolutely not appropriate to publicly criticize a poor defenseless general with political aspirations. So that’s completely out-of-bounds.
But a 12-year-old kid recovering from serious injuries is fair game. Not just in a NYT ad, but all across the media with harassment of the kid and his family?
Do I understand Republican family values correctly?
cinnamonape @40
I live deep in Red territory, and plenty of my acquaintances voted Bush.
Now they are telling me their wallets can’t afford more Republicans, and are going to vote for Edwards.
They have a bellyful of ‘morality’ and are facing economic reality. I hope Bush and the Republicans keep pissing them off. Nothing like a little negative reinforcement!
rob in toronto @ 57
That would call for strategy. The Speaker of the House is busy pouring out venom on anti-war protesters. She’s too busy to hit those who attack children.
-GSD
Speaking of children, the US has almost 1,000 Iraqi children in custody.
Here is a good article about the Frosts from The Plank
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the_plank?pid=150639
Check out the twist at the end.
diogenes @ 59
Bush’s great legacy might be the destruction of the Republic Party. That would be a small amount of justice.
Scarecrow @ 55
T-Rex can latch onto that Republican mentality by switching off one of his brains temporarily and using the pea-sized one in his tail-end.
T-Rex is on top of what these scaly, predacious reptilians are up to!!!
OT - a few of the congressional hearings this morning:
does anyone know if the HJC hearing on “Selective Prosecution” is on the Siegelman case? there are no more details (for example witnesses) on the HJC website.
This is OT but it is a question I’ve been thinking about.
If Gore doesnt run, wont he lose some of his stature? Why would he tease all the people who have been raising money and putting their hearts into a race? He could have really said no so people got it, even endorsed a candidate to stop the push for his run.
Is he that cynical?
Scarecrow,
Agree with you about the different audiences.
Why I said different keystrokes for different folks. But, that doesn’t preclude folks from reading articles from different time slots, does it?
Diversity of style is one of the things that keeps the Lake interesting, doncha think?
We all love Saturday morning’s Pull up a Chair, but as a 24 - 7 theme, not so much.
diogenes -
Mind indicating where in McIntyre territory? Brunswick here.
OT - CCR has brought suit here against blackwater on behalf of iraqi victims (just heard on democracy now! that the iraqis contacted CCR because they knew of CCR’s work on behalf of torture victims). DN! has jeremy scahill and a lawyer from CCR on discussing the situation. excellent so far.
Surprising nobody, Malkin has begged off the debate offered by Ezra Klein. In doing so, she manages to paint herself yet again as the victim of a liberal smear campaign.
rob in toronto @ 57
Yes - and why is Hillary the only Democratic presidential candidate who’s said anything about this? It’s quickly turning into a Schiavo-scale disaster for the right wing, and they could all land some real body blows while the GOP underbelly is exposed. I would have thought John Edwards would be all over this.
selise @ 68
Creedence Clearwater Revival is doing legal work now?
-GSD
Speaking of which.
Afghanistan is having troubles with “paramilitary contractors” too.
War profiteers under attack.
Not that I’m here to schill for John Dean’s book, “Conservatives Without Conscience”, but I’m in the middle of reading it now and I have to tell you, the answer to the question posed in the topic above is, “How can you seriously ask that question?”
The Republican Party lost its sense of decency decades ago.
Dean relates conversations he had with Sen. Goldwater - about what people such as Chuck Colson, et al. were trying to do to him and his wife Maureen in a trumped up book in the early 1990s. And Goldwater referred to them all as “thugs”.
This is Goldwater, mind you.
Thugs. Yep - he had it right then and he has it right now. These folks are thugs. And bullies - the sorts of people who used to beat up little kids in the school yard for their lunch money years ago.
People who see that their strength is in intimidation, threats and fear.
That business about people from Codepink being put on the FBI database, thus preventing them from going into Canada? Same deal. Threats, intimidation and fear.
That is what makes HRC look so tough - she’s been dealing with this junk for decades - she’s been forged in the furnace of their lies and attacks. She may not be our favorite; she may not be seen as progessive. But she’s one hell of a sword.
rob in toronto @ 57
Rob,
The DLC’ers have had multiple opportunities to follow your effective advice, and have kept their powder dry.
It is fashionable to label them stupid to avoid the uncomfortable fact.
They are in on it. They want to throw us enough crumbs to placate us, and keep riding corporate jets to Caribbean getaways, snarf Beltway cocktail weenies and access the easy-but-bloody cash.
They are not interested in changing the game. John Edwards says it best - we’re not going to solve the problem by exchanging Republican corporate insiders for Democratic corporate insiders.
Sirota says it too - there is a People Party (a handful of elected Democratic officials, bloggers, etc.) and the Money Party (everybody else).
mauimom @ 52
So Keith could fill the postions with several MM’s (Michelle Malkin, Mitch McConnell)
update on hearings - the HJC hearings have been postponed for today - website was just updated. sigh…
selise -
Thanks for the heads up! Heading out for the day and will try to catch DN rerun tonight.
Toby Wollin @ 72
It’s a great book along with almost everything Dean writes. I have been going to Deans site regularly for years now. Worth it
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/
Waccamaw,
Pender, but I’m visiting your end of the district at a Dem thing in Bolivia this evening.
demi @ 66
I was kidding you. The rules here are clear; you are allowed to read two TRex or one Pachacutec while on my threads, but not both.
you are allowed to read two TRex or one Pachacutec while on my threads, but not both.
Ha, good one.
Like the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz, you have big brains, but you didn’t scare me.
;)
diogenes @ 78
Oooooo…….will our twit rep be there? If so, please rip him a new for me!
Would enjoy meeting a local pup at your convenience. At least there’s two of us here. *g*
Off to Wilm-ton for the day…..will check back for responses later. Have fun tonight!
Badwater @ 62,
And proving karma exists, he will be aided in large part by radical Christianists.
GSD @ 71
yup. *g*
cinnamonape @ 63
Some Republican said yesterday that his party needs to start thinking with something other than the end of their spinal columns. Can’t remember where I read that. Same thought.
More on Carter calling Cheney a “militant” and a “disaster” for the US
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/11/america/
NA-GEN-US-Carter-White-House.php
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301052,00.html
In the CNN interview, the Democratic former president disparaged the field of Republican presidential candidates.
“They all seem to be outdoing each other in who wants to go to war first with Iran, who wants to keep Guantanamo open longer and expand its capacity — things of that kind,” Carter said.
He said he also disagreed with positions taken by Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, who have declined to promise to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq over the following four years if elected president next year.”
GSD - great minds think alike. I was thinking Credence was going after Blackwater for sullying the name of water.
Waccamaw,
I’ll be at Acreage Brokers on Market Street in W-ton from 1 - 4:30.
selise @ 64
Thanks, Selise. Looks like the Medicare Drug hearing will be picking up on the abusive marketing that Phoenix Woman and I discussed earlier this week.
Have any of the R presidential candidates said anything about the Frost venom campaign and S-chip? Or are they too wrapped up in 9-11?
Somehow this bit of news did not make it into the mainstream.
Democracy Now on it.
http://www.democracynow.org/ar.....10/1414224
Israel just being Israel.Israel Seizes More Palestinian Land to ExpandSettlementsIn Israel and the Occupied Territories, the Israeli military has ordered the seizure of
vast new swaths of Palestinian land in the West Bank. The land surrounds four Palestinian villages outside East Jerusalem. The move
appears aimed at expanding the Israeli settlement of Maleh Adumin — already Israel’s largest in the West Bank. The Israeli military says the seized land would be used for a
planned Palestinian road between Jericho and Jerusalem. But critics say that will allow Israel to carry out the planned expansion of an area known as E-1 where the current road runs. The confiscation comes as Palestinian and Israeli officials continue to meet ahead of a planned U.S.-brokered meeting next month. The Israeli peace activist Jeff Halper said : “This has to be seen as part of a timeline in which Israel wants to get all its development of the West Bank finished before [President] Bush leaves office.”
Israels persistent confiscation of land that does not belong to them has undermined every agreement made between Israel, their neighbors and the Palestinians.
Force (International law) Israel back to the Internationally recognized borders
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The Tutu Heave-Ho
Fri. Oct 12, 2007
Not much lasting harm will come from the recent nastiness surrounding Archbishop Desmond Tutu and a Minnesota university that canceled his invitation to a human rights conference, for fear of offending the Jewish community.
Tutu, the Nobel laureate South African human rights activist, does not lack for platforms from which to speak. The University of St. Thomas, a respected college operated by the Catholic diocese of Saint Paul, will have its conference; it may even be enriched by whatever lessons are drawn from the Tutu brouhaha. The First Amendment will endure.
The only real damage will be to the shrinking credibility and good name of American Jewish public advocacy.”
http://www.forward.com/articles/11777/
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Talk Grows in Israel About Splitting Jerusalem
Nathan Guttman | Wed. Oct 10, 2007
http://www.forward.com/articles/11797/
Referring to the Jesus quote above about doing for the least of these:
I’m preparing a message for this Sunday based on Jeremiah, “…but seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the Lord on its behalf, for in its welfare you will find your welfare.”
I’m titling it “What’s Good For The Goose.”
Maybe some of the Christianists could learn something if they read their bible.
Oh, that’s right, Jeremiah is in the Old Testament.
solai @ 18
yes, i’m certain there will be some fallout from his frank responses to Wolf.
i am continuously encouraged by President Carter’s willingness to speak out against obvious wrongs. even if i find myself in disagreement with a particular premise, i find him to be one of the few with national visibility to call this administration on their shit. i wish more members of congress were so inclined. (he’s certainly become quite the prolific book writer, hasn’t he?!)
i am grateful, daily, for KO’s spotlight.
snowbird42 @ 61
Thanks, that’s a good summary of manipulation of facts behind the attacks on Graeme.
Tom @ 69
For the right wing, the definition of a “liberal smear campaign” is to quote their own words.
Thanks for the link Selise.
Gnome, Blackwater’s theme when they were in New Orleans:
Bourne on the Bayou
-GSD
Kathleen,
Israeli rightwingnuts are trying to get Rabin’s assassin out of jail.
Rightwingers suffer so much, all over the world.
-GSD
selise @ 10
sign the petition.
So wait….the Bush daughters commit misdemeanor crimes and are not placed on the Canadian “No Entry” list and can travel abroad, and Cheney has a couple of DUI’s, is Rush Limbaugh on that list?
demi @ 91
Bless your heart - that is the proper use of the Good Book!
Will the swiftboat finally run aground with the attacks on a 12 year old? With even Time magazine calling them out, I would hope the end is in sight. What is the status of the S-chip veto override?
Toby Wollin @ 72
I agree. Dean has very good explanations for the authoritarian types we’re dealing with. Every ethic is surpressed to defend the leader.
Scarecrow @ 88
shoot. that one’s just been postponed too!
hmmm… looks like the house is in recess today.
“Fair game.” Isn’t that what the Church of Scientology say when they set out to destroy one of their critics?
Other commenters may have already said this [I’m on speedy fly-by hiatus right now], but in answer to your question headline, Scarecrow.
1. No.
2. The question is a false posit…who ever assumed Repervs have decency? Mitch McConnell’s boys are trying to do to Graeme Frost what Foley did to pages.
Protect America’s children from Repervs.
Gnome de Plume @ 99
I’ve been out of touch for a couple of days, but Christy and others have been working this very hard, providing lists of House Reps who need calling. Expect she’ll have an update later. I understand we’re still about 15 short in the House, but his swift-boating a 12-year old issue could help turn a few.
~itunkala @ 92
I’ve read most of his books. Of the past president’s who’ve written books, he’s the most prolific since Nixon. Clinton’s recent book is wan compared to Clinton when he’s giving a speech or talking to a university class. The only great book by an ex-president was U. S. Grant’s “Memoirs,” which is one of the great American books.
Carter’s books, though almost as boring as his Sunday school classes probably are, attempt to grip important issues, but they aren’t as important as the work he does.
Prairie! Hope you and your loved ones are doing well.
Prairie Sunshine @ 103
The question was rhetorical, of course. But the Republicans were not always so. I first became aware of politics at age 8 — Eisenhower vs Stevenson — to a kid, both seemed like decent people. This is not Ike’s party. Maybe it never was.
…now I try to be amused @ 102
And what Karl Rove said about Valerie Plame. I don’t think “fair” means the same thing to them as to us.
rob in toronto @ 57
Bingo.
John Dean fans may want to take note of the FDL Book Salon announcement in the sidebar — Dean will make a special Book Salon appearance this Sunday, from 11:30AM to 1:30PM Pacific Time to talk about his new book, Broken Government.
I am a single mother and my son is now 20. Thankfully, Hillary Clinton made it possible for me to become a member of the Florida Healthy Kids Plan. I paid $15.00 a month and got complete health insurance for my son. I only used it a couple of times but it took a lot of stress off my life.
For myself, I joined a health insurance plan that cost me only $140.00 a month. I paid the premiums on time for 3 years. I never went to the doctor one time. The card is still in the original packaging from the mail.
After paying on time for 3 years, Humana gobbled up my small insurance carrier and within 60 days, I was sent a 120-cancellation notice. Humana was dropping my plan because they didn’t carry Individual Health Insurance policies. So, they dropped 140,000 of us in the Fort Lauderdale/Miami area. When I called to ask why, I was told my policy was losing them money. I had paid them over $5,000 and never used it one time. How is that not profitable for them, I asked. The girl laughed at me on the phone.
They grouped 140,000 policy holders and dropped them because they only have group plans. To this day, it still pisses me off big time. If only I had used the money for the Florida Prepaid College Fund….those two years of payments would have bought me two years of college for my son.
Thanks Humana!
From #41 above:
I hate to think about our soldiers over in Iraq fighting for a country that’s slipping away. — Merle Haggard.
The money quote!
In all honesty no one should be surprised that surrogates of the Republican Party would attack a 12 year old child. Many supporters of the Republican Party have the same totalitarian authoritarian mindset that was eager and willing to put children in ovens with not the least bit of guilt or regret.
Prairie Sunshine @ 112
That’s a country song waiting to be written.
Gnome de Plume @ 89
No mention of the Frost smearing that I’ve seen; the front-runners have all supported the veto, because they fear socialized medicine for others (but not themselves).
Decency left the reThugs with the Civil Rights act. At that point they realized they could leverage hatred into power and it has been down hill from there. I still recall the feeling of pride, growing up in MA and having Ed Brooks as one of my senators. Those days are long gone.
Tom @ 68
In her response to Klein she says that she was forced to accept the “higher” insurance offering of $1300/month for her family with two kids because she was “underweight”.
I guess she wasn’t interested in switching to the one that her “insurance expert” that came on the site who said he found an estimate or a family of six for $643. Of course, THAT plan really wouldn’t have applied to the Frost’s situation…two kids with PRE-EXISTING NEUROLOGICAL problems. That’s gonna be a lot more than Malkin’s “underweight” issue.
One thing about these so-called “experts”….they don’t consider the pre-existing injuries and the huge deductibles that the Frosts would have to pay for therapy and continuing care for their kids. That’s sort of like making a medical diagnosis without seeing a patient…
something any legitimate and ethical insurance agent would never do.
But then the Republicans glorified on not considering “family situations” as relevant during the great Housing Bubble, either. Now these families are going into foreclosure by the tens of thousands. But the Pugs seem to think that Social Darwinism should take care of these folks, too. They seem really intent on wiping out the Middle Class. Is it Schadenfreude, or something?
ccmask… you made have made them money, but that type of policy must have been a loser because they has to pay out to others.
It’s a numbers game. You are lumped together will everyone who has the same policy, all the premiums added up and all the payouts and overheads subtracted and if they are not making enough profit or even breaking even… they’ll bail on that program… or just raise the rates to make the profit they want.
Then they do another audit and if it still proves unprofitable they do another rate hike or bail on the program.
Individuals don’t matter. It’s all about pooling risk and lumping people into one big anonymous class.
Class dismissed.
Peterr @ 110
Thanks for the reminder, Peterr. Everyone note the special time for book salon this weekend — 11:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m., PDT Sunday.
New Christy upstairs.
Cheney’s Law
Christy has a new thread ready.
Scarecrow @ 108
You jumped on this connection with Mrs. Wilson before I could get to it. But, my interpretation of the Rethugs use of “fair game” is “open season”.
update again on the congressional hearings list.
11 house committee hearings scheduled for today have just been postponed. what’s up?
i’ve updated the weekly list.
cinnamonape @ 97
This needs further investigation. I’d like to see Waxman get a hold of that list and see who’s on it. Larry Craig, Paris Hilton, half of Hollywood, Ollie North….?
cinnamonape
And that worked out so well for the Germans in the 30’s. Keep in mind there is a boatload of money to be made during economic crises. Throw in a war or two, and you’re sitting pretty.
No.
Simple question, simple answer.
Answer to question: No.
Decency packed up and left the Party of Lincoln (poor Abe) years ago. Let’s see, pretty much when the Rs starting kowtowing to the Christian Right(which is neither, BTW). Enter Saint Ronnie the First, exit Decency.
So, to sum up, the answer is: No.
LastDem
Pretty much OT –
you should all go read Jon Carroll’s
SanFran Chronicle column for today.
There is no decency left in the Republican Party. Soon it will be as much a social stigma as being an ex Nazi in Germany. Cool, huh?
Enjoy.
While the Republic’s were counting the Frost’s money and assets for them, I don’t recall mention of the refinance to accommodate the injured kids. Per the Baltimore Sun:
“Halsey Frost purchased the family home for $55,000 in 1990, according to city records, and refinanced in 2005, he says, to make improvements to accommodate the return of Graeme and Gemma from the hospital.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the TIME article doesn’t contain the word “Republican”.
The issue at stake here is whether or not there should means testing for subsidies. The state of Maryland effectively subsidized the Frosts commercial real estate investment. If they’re meant to be representative recipients of the program, then it’s a program that subsidizes middle class risk. And maybe that’s not a program that taxpayers really want to fund.
Using the 12 year old child as a distraction is inexcusable. On both sides.
There are no condemnations because they do not condem their actions. Republicans will attack ANYONE who dares dissagree with them. Now it has been proven beyond a doubt that if you identify yourself as a Republican, you are activly supporting a facist organization and have discarded all American ideals of freedom and fair play. NO REPUBLICAN CAN BE TRUSTED. EVER. PERIOD.
Hello Scarecrow, a great post as ever, tank you.
I think you mean ‘repelled’ when you use ‘repulsed’!.
Patrick Stephens @ 132
Using a child and his history to illustrate the value of a health care program for children is not a distraction. It’s the point of having the program.
If you want to debate the merits of means tests, that’s fine, but you don’t intimidate the child and his family and invade their privacy to do that. There are two issues here, whether you choose to see them or not.
diogenes @ 59
That’s pretty remarkable news. Would they go so far as to switch parties so they can vote in a primary?
The stories we’re reading associate Hillary Clinton with SCHIP, but who, in fact, was the author of that legislation? Just how much did Clinton or Kennedy do to endorse it and promote it?
I have the feeling Hillary is just using SCHIP to promote the idea she favors health care reform. Too bad HER program was a failure and all she has now is riding on someone else’s coattails (on this issue).
OTOH, I do truly believe Hillary has more morality than most Republican wingers. But, of course, there are other sensible Republicans who have morality and should be speaking out against this ’swift boating’ of a child.
I never said Hillary was a wing nut, only a moderate Republican.
Just an observation on the title of the post. How can something, such as decency, remain, if it was never there in the first place? When did the republican party last, if ever, exhibit, any human decency?
I must admit this weblog was pretty boring considering that everyone is in agreement. Check out Malkin’s responses at her own site as she addresses much of what was said here.
Anyway, the whole reason that politicians trot out children to represent their legislation is so they can express indignation at their opponents purportedly on the basis of them “attacking” the child rather than the problems with the legislation itself.
You’ll like SCHIP if you liked Hillary-Care. I’m not a socialist, so I’m against them both.
MarkH…get over that “feeling”…Hillary indeed wrote the SCHIP with Kennedy and another Senator in 1997. I thought you said you liked children. Killing the messenger???
“This gang of thugs abandoned every principle they ever professed and instead became the party of corruption, dishonesty, incompetence, coddling the privileged and systematically neglecting the nation’s needs, while debasing the nation’s honor with torture, kidnappings, warrantless spying, aggressive war and unparalleled lawlessness. It is a record unequalled in our history.”
Besides the obvious totalitarians like Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan, etc., it would be difficult to find folks in history worse. The petty dictators in 3rd world countries are about the only comparisons that come to mind.
So, the question has to come up: Has BushCo turned the USA into a 3rd world dictatorship? It would be hard to argue the opposite, IMO. Pretty much all the 3rd world puppets had a Bush II look to them, both facially and functionally.