In light of the censorship of Bishop Desmond Tutu that we and other media outfits discussed last week, and the fact that Father Dennis Dease has reversed the decision to censor Bishop Tutu (though I have yet to hear if he also reversed his decision to demote Cris Toffolo from her position as Chair of the Justice and Peace Studies program for having dared to invite Tutu), I thought I’d bring you some followup commentary courtesy of the Minneapolis StarTribune.
There was this column in the 10/11/07 edition by Mitchell Plitnick and Cecilie Surasky of Jewish Voice for Peace, with passages like the following one:
Dease seems to have been motivated by a genuine desire to avoid hurting Minnesota’s Jewish community. However, he ended up not only making a wrong and unethical decision, but also hurting Jews everywhere and harming hopes for a more-enlightened American attitude toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
[...]
The controversy stems from a speech Tutu delivered in 2002. An extreme right-wing group, the Zionist Organization of America, issued a report that made it appear he had compared Israel to Hitler. In fact, Tutu said nothing of the kind. He merely listed numerous unjust regimes that have fallen, as he believes the occupation regime will fall. In the same speech, Tutu condemned acts of violence against Israelis and unambiguously supported Israel’s right to exist within secure borders.
Sadly, the misinformation about Tutu’s statements has become much more prominent than the man’s actual words.
We also have this letter by Rabbi Stacy Offner in the 10/09/07 edition:
A useful dialogue
I was dismayed to learn that the University of St. Thomas declined to invite Desmond Tutu to speak because it did not want to offend the Jewish community. What offends the Jewish community is the editing of free speech and the muzzling of free expression.
I am an unabashed “ohev tzion,” lover of Israel, but that love includes the strength to hear a critique of the Israeli government. It also includes the ability to disagree with Tutu on a variety of points and the wisdom to know that it is only through full and honest exploration of ideas that we can find our moral direction.
RABBI STACY OFFNER, MINNEAPOLIS;
SHIR TIKVAH CONGREGATION
Just thought you’d all like to know.
Oh, and by the way: Here’s what the Dease-approved Ann Coulter had to say about Jewish people recently. Something about “perfecting” them by making them, um, not Jewish any more. Now, what was that again about Bishop Tutu, Father?




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demi @ 2
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heh. Didn’t I read downstairs somewhere where your this week’s church message is gonna be something other than “don’t be an asshole”?
gotta play the old classics along with the new stuff, ya know.
I wonder if ann thinks Jesus himself needs to be “perfected” too
In re: coultergeist calling for Jews to become Xtianists. IIRC, the Mormon church has gotten in trouble over the years for posthumously “baptizing” folks of other faiths (including Jewish) into the Mormon church.
Dease seems to have been motivated by a genuine desire to…
avoid alienating donors?
Is Nelson Mandela still dead?
Men of peace, at a Catholic university – well, we certainly can’t have that now, can we?
(Not directed at Catholics, specifically – just religious stupidity in general).
I think one of the best parts of her interview with Deutsch was this:
“During the October 8 edition of CNBC’s The Big Idea, host Donny Deutsch asked right-wing pundit Ann Coulter: “If you had your way … and your dreams, which are genuine, came true … what would this country look like?” Coulter responded, “It would look like New York City during the [2004] Republican National Convention. In fact, that’s what I think heaven is going to look like.”
Now, if memory serves, what the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City “looked like” was this: Hundreds of people who were riding bicycles were rounded up, their bike impounded, and the people were warehoused in an old, filthy building across town on the city piers. For hours and hours. No food. No water. And why? Because Bloomburg thought that Critical Mass was trying to foment some huge protest against the GOP. NYPD basically closed off the streets and rounded everyone on a bike up – including delivery folks from restaurants, messengers, families out for a quiet ride with their kids, etc. As I recall there was a suit which was finally dropped after the city had spent several million dollars.
So, Ann “Don’t I look like Voldemort” Coulter thinks that Heaven looks like NYC during the 2004 Repub National Convention?
Then I guess her version of of Heaven includes mass roundups and detentions of anyone who does not agree with her.
I wouldn’t piss on Coulter if she was on fire.
Who gives a rats ass what she says anymore?
You know damn good and well when she takes a deep breath you are going to hear some sort of batshit crazy thing.
The woman vote thing was a classic, apparently even she doesn’t consider herself to be of the feminen persuasion.
perris @ 6
In Ann’s mind a little voice says
Congratulations Ann. You’re still in the running to becoming America’s Next Top Beeyotch.
But sadly, according to C&L’s Tucker clip, she might not make it through this week’s elimination round. Michelle might be chosen as winner. Will the judges be more impressed with slams against Jews or Sick Kids? Stay tuned!
Oh, I’m crying!
Happy to say I git to see Tutu live in Tampa about a year and a half ago. Riveting, as well as inspiring.
dakine01 @ 7
They really got shit when they started baptizing Jews killed at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Toby Wollin @ 9
it wasn’t just critical mass – there were hundreds of other arrests (almost 2000 total)… with people spending sometimes 2-3 days in that filthy warehouse.
RonD @ 12
It must have been! He’s one of the transcendent ones.
selise @ 14
Ah, you have more information than I did. But it was just this outrageous thing.
The impression is that the relationship between the American and Iraeli governments has become, for the most part, mutually destructive.
From the Coulter link (my bold):
… New York City during the [2004] Republican National Convention. In fact, that’s what I think heaven is going to look like.” She described the convention as follows: “People were happy. They’re Christian. They’re tolerant. They defend America.” Deutsch said to her: “[Y]ou said we should throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians,” and Coulter again replied, “Yes.”
… we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. … That’s what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament…
I always love it when one side tries to censor the other. They end up spreading the message they’re trying to kill much farther. Would anybody have noticed if the Bishop had given his speech and caught the next plane home?
Let Ann speak as well. Every time she opens her mouth, the GOP looks that much worse.
BoxTurtle (The way to fight a wrong idea is to debate it, not suppress it)
Off on the business of the Queen. See everyone later.
Same Song..different verse..EPU’d but interesting
EXCLUSIVE: E-mail Reveals That McConnell Staffer Propagated Smear Campaign Against Graeme Frost
hinkProgress has obtained an email that congressional sources tell us was sent to reporters by Sen. McConnell’s communications director Don Stewart.
On Monday morning, Don Stewart sent an email with the following text to reporters:
Seen the latest blogswarm? Apparently, there’s more to the story on the kid (Graeme Frost) that did the Dems’ radio response on SCHIP. Bloggers have done a little digging and turned up that the Dad owns his own business (and the building it’s in), seems to have some commercial rental income and Graeme and a sister go to a private school that, according to its website, costs about $20k a year ‹for each kid‹ despite the news profiles reporting a family income of only $45k for the Frosts. Could the Dems really have done that bad of a job vetting this family?
Hillary’s on CSPAN right now on the swiftboating a seventh grader
BTW, Love love love the letter from Rabbi Offner! thanks for sharing that one.
Elliott @ 22
The flag pin on the lapel gig didn’t have the legs they were hoping for…..
Jeebus.
Toby Wollin @ 16
i was there for the week. spent a lot of time volunteering as a legal observer with the national lawery’s guild (ianal – they just need people to observe and document what they see).
We’re finally back from our work- (conference) and play- (a couple of extra days to see the deciduous trees we miss so much in autumn) trip to Maine.
It’s good to see the same super quality threads here at the Lake! And it’s always so good to see you, Jane!
I had the great good fortune of meeting Archbishop Tutu at a SANE dinner back in the eighties honoring him for his anti-nuclear work (the man is active on so many fronts all at once, it’s humbling!) — he fairly radiates the very love and joy and peace he tells us should be supreme motivations for the work we do.
What Desmond Tutu brings to any room he enters is so powerful it would blow the Ann Coulters of this world right out of the place. Peacefully, nonviolently, but firmly and truthfully. Nonviolence is NOT passivity — a lesson he may have learned early on from the history of Gandhi’s movement in South Africa.
Coulter, on the other hand, said famously that her favorite thing at Christmas was to say “Fuck You” to the liberals of NYC.
Yeah, that’s what a Christian ALWAYS thinks of when celebrating the birth of Christ — saying “Fuck You” to one’s ideological enemies.
Seen the latest blogswarm? Apparently, there’s more to the story on the kid (Graeme Frost) that did the Dems’ radio response on SCHIP. Bloggers have done a little digging and turned up that the Dad owns his own business (and the building it’s in), seems to have some commercial rental income and Graeme and a sister go to a private school that, according to its website, costs about $20k a year ‹for each kid‹ despite the news profiles reporting a family income of only $45k for the Frosts. Could the Dems really have done that bad of a job vetting this family?
My kid went to the most exclusive school in Indianapolis. On scholarship. (token poor kid – but based on scholastic-testing scores). I think, if you’ll look a little further, that the Graeme kids fall into the same category.
Glenn Greenwald (great as usual, and I’m in love..you don’t suppose he could be interested in a 50ish bear/daddy type?) has had some good bits on how the Anti-Defamation League has been unable to condemn “condemn various Fox News personalities and other neoconservative pundits for their reckless and frivolous spewing of “Nazi” and “Hitler” insults against their political opponents, including such mainstream groups and individuals which could not have anything less to do with actual Nazism, such as Daily Kos, Media Matters, Jane Hamsher and MoveOn.org.” from http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Take a look at our so called “friends”. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India and Israel.
KathieinMN, a firepup and faculty member at UST, posted Dease’s letter to the faculty on the Who’s Making Peace in Your World? thread yesterday @ 70, and also shared a bit more in subsequent comments about what the faculty were doing — including signing a letter on the subject of the professor that was removed as dept chair.
No word back from her yet on that front, but I’m sure she’ll share it if/when there’s any news.
In the end, the Zionists and the ‘wingers are going to end up strangling each other….and it couldn’t happen to a nicer couple.
perris @ 6
Hah!
Elliott @ 22
That’s excellent political instincts. This is an issue that resonates with people. The Rethugs overplayed their hand and got caught.
It is important now to get the people to understand the details of this smear campaign perpetrated by the despicable McConnell, the republicans, Malkin, et al, against a sick 12 year old kid and his dear family.
Peterr @ 30
I hope so. I’ve been looking around and there’s no word on that online.
this is sort of on topic, think progress has more from mathews
hackworth @ 32
and pulling it back on topic, the story of the revoked invite is a living example of effective communication. Thoughtful caring people changed a mind, changed a heart.
Elliott @ 22
Yup. Good for her — the Democrats should be jumping on this with both feet.
When John Cole, one of the last of the sane Republicans and a man who has tolerated a lot from the GOP, officially jumps ship over the insanity that is the GOP-sanctioned-and-enabled witchhunt against the Frost family, you know that the Republicans have been plumbing the Marianas Trench in their quest for new depths in which to sink.
Coultergeist and MalKKKin spewing the most inflammatory things just to get a pat on the head from the neocons is just hysterical to me. Both obviously have debilitating daddy issues.
Then there’s Dana Peroxide, but don’t get me started on her….:)
Brisingamen @ 3
To horse! To horse!
Phoenix Woman @ 36
and it never ceases to amaze me that they find them.
Hey, so how is everybody this lovely Thursday afternoon/evening?
One of Greenwald’s commenters added: “Well, of course Israel has enemies who seek to destroy it. Of course there are people who hate Israel, who also happen to be anti-Semites, and are motivated to hate Israel because of it. And of course Israel has the right to defend itself legitimately, against actual enemies and threats, appropriately and as called for, not only militarily but also rhetorically and politically. As does any sovereign country. None of this is in dispute as far as I’m concerned.
But that’s not what Foxman was doing. What he was doing was essentially calling any critic of Israel and its policies, no matter the policy, was at the very least a vicious liar, and most likely an anti-Semite. I.e. criticism of Israel was simply NOT ALLOWED, PERIOD, and anyone who did so was a bad person with a hateful agenda. Never mind the specifics of their criticisms and the facts and reasoning that they used to make them. This was simply beyond the pale and not permissible, no matter what. Israel was always acting legitimately, its survival was always gravely threatened, and by definition it could do no wrong, and therefore criticism of it was simply absurd, and always ill-motivated.
The corollary to this, of course, was that anyone who praised Israel, supported its policies–any of its policies–condemned its enemies–real and imagined, including any of its critics–and called for if not engaged in actions against them, was therefore honorable and praiseworthy, no matter the substance (or lack thereof) of or motivation for their support and praise. I.e. all “supporters” are virtuous, and all critics are evil. Period. There can be no debate on this.” http://letters.salon.com/opini…..15cba.html
hackworth @ 18
I remember that day….when there were barriers set up so that protesters couldn’t get close to the monied elite and heavily insured Gopsmen.
wup, double posted. Sorry.
Phoenix Woman @ 41
It’s cold and rainy here in Upstate New York. I’m in a snarky mood, personally.
Elliott @ 39
And it never ceases to amaze me that the members of our elite media almost never call them out on it. (The only reason they’re doing so now is because of us making the big stink about it.)
As Bob Somerby says, when Republicans do bad things, “good guy” mainstream pundits (with Krugman being a shining exception to the rule) don’t protest, but “stare into air” instead.
Phoenix Woman @ 40
Good. How about you?
Clear 62 and Terribly Dry in Trendy Blue Ridge GA.
At the National Jewish Democratic Council, we’ve put a petition online to tell the television networks to stop interviewing Ann Coulter:
http://www.njdc.org/stopcoulter.html
MR. Bill @ 28
Yeah, I’ve been following those columns, along with the appearance of a few blips on Alternet. Greenwald is not only incisive, but gratingly persistent in displaying the contradictory public statements of the ADL spokespersons. It reminds me of John Stewart’s “going to the video tape” on Cheney’s Saddam-AlQuaeda connections.
I wonder if it’s going to be curtains USA before any politicians succeed in tempering this influence on our legislature and foreign policy?
What I want, really want, is a clear and concise answer from Hillary Rodham Clinton as what she will do about the Middle East should she become President.
So, now that I’ve commented, dipping my toes back into this beautiful Lake, I’ll ask the key question:
How ARE all you wonderful Firepups?
The hotel where we stayed in Maine (which hosted the conference) supposedly had free wireless, but it kept kicking offline every few minutes, and only seemed to work well if you sat on the floor, squeezed up against the door into the room. Sucky signal.
Thus I missed my FDL fix, getting just tantalizing glimpses of the front page long enough to get me hooked, but then not allowing me to click on comments to read them, much less allowing me to post.
I would ask “what did I miss?” but then I know that each day at the Lake is so chock full of information and stories about the Pupsters that it would almost take as much time to recount everything as it originally unfolded in real time.
Still, I hope to hear you are all doing well.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
I think it would be highly effective for any candidate to put together a first 100 days plan that promotes the idea of undoing as much of the Bush Admin’s BS as possible – signing statements, torture, SCHIP, wiretapping, all of it.
This is what Pelosi et al did last year and it was a good campaign message, I thought. (Let us not speak of what happened later)
Well it’s cold, grey and drizzling in Central Ohio — we went from 90F one day to 49F the next.
I’m glad I’m inside where it’s warm, not looking forward to going out at the end of the day.
Maybe I’ll have a cup of tea when I get home…
And I hope the Sensible and Intelligent Moderator will remove the redundant posts I made earlier in a fit of stupidity.
Tutu is particularly hated by the right wing, and zio-wingers, particularly, because of their attachment to the South African apartheid regime.
Mrs. K8 @ 53
Well, Mrs. K8, I’m doing pretty well — snarky, but well. My eldest got married over the weekend and other than the poor little ring bearer wanting to climb on top of the best man’s head (I think what he really wanted was to get his teddy and blankie and find someplace to sleep), everything went off swimmingly. Everyone looked great; the food was great, and no one got drunk or disorderly.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
I don’t think you will get an answer – yet. I am an Edwards supporter but Hill is very smart. She is not, IMO, nearly as right wing as she appears and is playing a really smart game. The polls indicate that, for what it’s worth, but we shall see.
Congratulations TW!
Bishop Tutu also blasphemed the Sacred Ronnie, saying of President Reagan “Your president is the pits as far as blacks are concerned. I think the West, for my part, can go to hell.” – after Ronald Reagan on July 22, 1986, called proposed sanctions against South Africa a “historic act of folly.”
Elliott @ 60
Yep – they got married for the best, most modern reason of all: She had full medical coverage – he’s an older student who has none. Romantic, eh?
Hillary. This is the way I wish you would talk to us. Clearly and to the point.
Carter. The anti-Coulter.
WASHINGTON – President Carter on Wednesday denounced Vice President Dick Cheney as a “disaster” for the country and a “militant” who has had an excessive influence in setting foreign policy.
Cheney has been on the wrong side of the debate on many issues, including an internal White House discussion over Syria in which the vice president is thought to be pushing a tough approach, Carter said.
“He’s a militant who avoided any service of his own in the military and he has been most forceful in the last 10 years or more in fulfilling some of his more ancient commitments that the United States has a right to inject its power through military means in other parts of the world…”
Toby Wollin @ 60
a sign of the times, I’m afraid.
Twain @ 59
I’ll take Edwards over Clinton any day.
Toby –
Congratulations on a wonderful wedding — was that your daughter or your son who got married?
And regarding the ring bearer — kids are often the funniest thing going at a wedding.
The eldest in our family, my sister, had long been married and had children when she served as “Matron of Honor” at the next eldest’s wedding (my other sister).
As the bride and her bridesmaids walked past the seated congregation on her way to the altar, the Matron of Honor’s oldest child leapt to her feet standing on the pew, pointed her little finger, and hollered as loudly as her healthy lungs would permit “Hey LOOK!!!! My mommy’s getting MARRIED!!!” Thus began a whole comedy of errors at that particular wedding. But those are the memories we enjoy the most, years later.
Mrs. K8 @ 66
It was my eldest daughter; originally, they were going to be married next year, when the groom would be finished with school, but they figured with her having good medical coverage, and his being a vet who’d been exposed to goodness knows what in Saudi Arabia, they’d better get married as quickly as they could get authorization from the insurance plan that the groom could be covered right away.
At one time, it was just a case of getting the bride’s father’s OK – now the insurance companies are involved.
Nobel Peace Prize *dds for selected folks, taken from an online site that shall remain nameless and linkless because we don’t need more spam for the mods to sort through:
Al Gore 2.65:1
International Criminal Court 20:1
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights 20:1
Reporters Sans Frontiers 40:1
UN High Commissioner for Refugees 40:1
Bono 40:1
Roo Moo-hyun and Kim Jong-il 250:1
Tony Blair 500:1
Vladimir Putin 750:1
George W. Bush 1000:1
(Here’s hoping that I didn’t trigger the mod filters with this comment . . .)
OT but related & interesting:
Thank You, Dan Rather By Leslie Griffith
liberal elite @ 51
If you’re going to complain when the ADL does bad, at least check so you know when they do good. Here’s the ADL’s Foxman speaking about Tutu and the speaking invitation:
Sort of on topic, but can anyone tell me if the whole Ann Coulter et al. business has something to do with the fact that we lack a “fairness doctrine”?
Because if it DOES, I think everyone should keep an eye on this piece of legislation from Rep. Maurice Hinchey.
http://www.house.gov/hinchey/issues/mora.shtml
At one time, it was just a case of getting the bride’s father’s OK – now the insurance companies are involved.
Gee, be careful about speaking of this on a public forum like this. It sounds like criticism of our (best-in-the-world!!!) healthcare system. The harpies may suddenly swoop down and attack your family for pointing out nasty facts.
I want Gore for president. With or without the prize. For the simple reason that global warming is the number one threat to survival.
Mrs. K8 @ 72
Heh. Well, go off for the moment – I’ll be back later.
Carry on…
Peterr –
The fact that the bookies say Kim Jong-Il has a four-times-better chance of getting the Nobel Peace Price than GWB says it all, eh?
Oops, should be Nobel Peace PRIZE (not “price”). Sorry about that goof.
Although with the difficulty of finding peace on this globe, in thinking of it as a commodity according to the “law” of supply and demand, peace must be a pretty pricey thing.
I just hate the thought of the DLC being in charge, come January, 2009.
Well, I still think giving the Dem nomination to Hillary will be an absolute disaster, but you have to give her credit for her political instincts.
She’s leading the charge in calling out Repugs for their swiftboating of a 12-year-old. Every Democrat at every level of government from Presidential Candidates to local dog-catchers need to be bringing this atrocity to light.
Republicans are showing their true colors. They’ll officially Swiftboat ANYONE. I’d like to see this still being talked about six months from now. Is is such a crystal-clear insight in the soul of the current Republican leadership. And it is scary and dark (not inappropriate for the month of Halloween, I guess).
MR. Bill @ 55
Fit of Stupidity, now I KNOW we are talking about Malkin and Coulter, that sums up their life.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 75
Don’t we all, but it’s better than the RLC (if there is such a thing).
Peterr @ 67
What is with Bush going at 1000:1, I mean unless he was the last person on earth he could not win. Should be at least 1,000,000:1
Oklahoma kiddo @ 72
Global Warming is not nearly as important as this last ditch effort to extract and sell the last remnants of oil and the trillions of dollars to be made by a hundred people in the Oil Business.
Ask any politician besides Gore and Kucinich.
OT
Bush throws down gauntlet to China with Dalai Lama meeting
Twain @ 79
Speaking for myself only of course. I relate better to a Republican acting like a Republican, far better than I do to a Democrat behaving like a Republican.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 72
And he’s the biggest threat to the financial black hole known as the military-industrial complex.
He was also correct on Iraq long before it was popular.
And he’s the most electable Dem. As we all know, he’s won the popular vote once, and this was before we knew what a disaster the Cheney administration would be.
SufiLizard @ 77
The scent of plunder makes Republics crazy and any perceived threat to their gathering activities must be dealt with harshly, even if that threat is 12 years old.
Are the members of the Democratic Leadership Council Team environmentalists?
SufiLizard @ 77
The health care issue and health insurance is a topic that average people understand. Rethugs are attacking this kid and his family by lying about the family’s means to qualify and their deservedness to have SCHIP. I agree with you. I think the rethugs have really screwed the pooch on this one.
Al Gore is who I want to see as next president also. I can’t think about what things would be like if Bush hadn’t stolen the election in 2000. It just makes me more angry.
Ref: #89. I guess that should be my #86. Perhaps I’m in need of glasses.
Elliott @ 83
Bush
throws downtrips over gauntlet to China with Dali Lama meetingFixed
Bustednuckles @ 90
right!
As someone mentioned yesterday. There is an abysmal struggle for the soul of the Democratic Party. On the one hand you have HRC, Lieberman and the DLC. And on the other hand you have real Democrats. Mr. Gore please come in. If not Gore then Edwards.
Bustednuckles @ 90
Someone must have told him that it was a public reading of the children’s book My Dolly Llama
New thread…
EPU’d but what the heck. Re the Skanky Crack Ho,
Coulter stated: “No, we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. … That’s what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws.” (my bold)
Having attended seminary for a while, iirc, in the New Testament Jesus said “I’ve come to give you a new law – love one another.” If she follows the Old Testament, that is basically Judaism. If she wants to be considered a Christian, she should be following the words of the Christ in the New Testament. Funny how few Christianistas actually follow Jesus’s words. Some day i’m gonna make a bumper sticker that says “Jesus was the original liberal”.
SufiLizard @ 77
I agree about the disaster part. Because Hillary and B. Obama have no chance to win in 2008.
America talks a good game re: gender & race, but nothing would energize the left-for-dead repug base like either of the above candidates.
Sad I know, but true. Just ask Harold (Call Me) Ford what happens when they get desperate before the elections.
Better to run Gore or Edwards now and hope some degree of sanity has returned to the country by 2012.
Rob From Santa Cruz @ 69
Good point. I should give credit where credit is due. I can’t criticize them for doing what I don’t like without giving them credit for fighting the good fight.
thanks
Apparent update on Tutu and St. Thomas. The invitation is for next April — when a Peace and Justice group housed at St. Thomas annually holds a Peace Conference, and normally features a Nobel Prize Winner, They have not only moved his speech, but the whole organization to Metro State permenantly.
The President of St. Thomas hopes to hold a forum of some sort, but it may not fit into the schedule. MPR is also trying for a one hour interview.
The Minneapolis Jewish Community Relations Council is not the same thing as the ADL. Apparently the pressure not to invite Tutu came from that source. Clearly some members of the local ADL can be part of the larger Council.
Have just finished reading Mersheimer and Walt’s “The Israel Lobby” and when I bought my book, the B&N Clerk was just putting 50 copies on to the shelf. Went back a few days later, and only a few were left. Of interest, after all the analysis, the key suggestion M and W have is that the issues they raise need to be honestly talked about in public. And yes, they give much space to censorship by privately demanding that some ideas not be discussed, some books not be published, and indeed some speakers not be offered the podium. If I am right that “The Israel Lobby” just flew off the B&N shelves — 50 books per store, 8 or 9 stores in the metro — it could just be that a lot of people have taken M & W’s advice, and are determined to talk about things openly. The push back against St. Thomas’s initial decision was huge.
Coulter is just expressing standard Christian theology. Jesus said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfil it. Of course, Christians want Jews to convert. They consider that the reward for doing so is enormous, and the punishment for not doing so unimaginable. For her to say anything else would strike her, and any other Christian of her type, as uncharitable at the least.