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		<title>By: Eureka Springs</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/#comment-1130196</link>
		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DaWizard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/#comment-1130054</link>
		<dc:creator>DaWizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry about that, can somebody delete the redundant copies?  I only hit the Submit button once, but…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: DaWizard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/#comment-1130052</link>
		<dc:creator>DaWizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Naomi,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Much as I appreciate your efforts, I must admit that I am dismayed to hear that you are throwing books away to avoid annoying TSA employees when you fly.  You should know better:  If in fact there are adverse personal consequences for your views and work, then you are flagged from the moment you pick up your boarding pass, and no amount of voluntary book burning will make a difference one way or the other.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m always amazed by the fear people express with regard to what might happen to them if they “speak out”.  Frankly, nothing happens, unless you happen to be an insider working directly for the bastards.  I am on every “enemies list” there is, unless the bastards simply aren’t doing their jobs:  A direct supporter of the Sami AlArian family (they used to live in my neighborhood), active participant in public anti-war activities (with my full name in documents passed out), and of course, I make as much noise as I can on the Internet.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The impact on my life?  Zero.  No signs of surveillance or harassment.  I speak freely about the 9-11 hoax in air terminals and nobody cares.  Years ago I actually was targeted by a police agency, and I know exactly what the signs are; I have been working hard against the war agenda for six years now and absolutely nothing has happened to me because of it - other than new friends and the certain knowledge that I have done, and will do, everything in my power to stop the NeoCon/NeoLiberal murder machine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The cowardice of the American people is a constant source of dismay.. on the one hand, cowards who endorse mass murder because they fear fictional boogeymen, and on the other hand, cowards who won’t voice their objections because they fear reprisals.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Naomi,</p>
<p>Much as I appreciate your efforts, I must admit that I am dismayed to hear that you are throwing books away to avoid annoying TSA employees when you fly.  You should know better:  If in fact there are adverse personal consequences for your views and work, then you are flagged from the moment you pick up your boarding pass, and no amount of voluntary book burning will make a difference one way or the other.  </p>
<p>I’m always amazed by the fear people express with regard to what might happen to them if they “speak out”.  Frankly, nothing happens, unless you happen to be an insider working directly for the bastards.  I am on every “enemies list” there is, unless the bastards simply aren’t doing their jobs:  A direct supporter of the Sami AlArian family (they used to live in my neighborhood), active participant in public anti-war activities (with my full name in documents passed out), and of course, I make as much noise as I can on the Internet.  </p>
<p>The impact on my life?  Zero.  No signs of surveillance or harassment.  I speak freely about the 9-11 hoax in air terminals and nobody cares.  Years ago I actually was targeted by a police agency, and I know exactly what the signs are; I have been working hard against the war agenda for six years now and absolutely nothing has happened to me because of it &#8211; other than new friends and the certain knowledge that I have done, and will do, everything in my power to stop the NeoCon/NeoLiberal murder machine.</p>
<p>The cowardice of the American people is a constant source of dismay.. on the one hand, cowards who endorse mass murder because they fear fictional boogeymen, and on the other hand, cowards who won’t voice their objections because they fear reprisals.</p>
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		<title>By: aerdrie faenya</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/#comment-1030051</link>
		<dc:creator>aerdrie faenya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Love Naomi Wolf.  Her book is on my wish list.  I have been doing layman’s research on the rise of the NSDAP in Germany for about a year now.  I’m currently reading “The Origins of Totalitarianism” by Hannah Arendt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many of the comments here are ones I could easily have written.  However, I am driven to reply to Kurt and Kate’s latest posts about the CP.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had never heard of the CP until now, so I took a look at their website.  I saw what they stood for, and several things gave me the chills.  I quote directly from the website:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Democrats and Republicans have squandered the Founders’ legacy of liberty and justice under the Constitution. Countless government officials in the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government ignore their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Join the Constitution Party in its work to &lt;b&gt;restore&lt;/b&gt; our government to its Constitutional limits and &lt;b&gt;our law to its Biblical foundations.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:&lt;br /&gt;
1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;&lt;br /&gt;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as &lt;i&gt;divinely instituted&lt;/i&gt;;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
4. Property: Each individual’s right to own and steward personal property without government burden;&lt;br /&gt;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;&lt;br /&gt;
6. States’ Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;&lt;br /&gt;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Emphasis added.  Anybody a little uneasy about the CP after reading that, or am I misunderstanding something?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love Naomi Wolf.  Her book is on my wish list.  I have been doing layman’s research on the rise of the NSDAP in Germany for about a year now.  I’m currently reading “The Origins of Totalitarianism” by Hannah Arendt.</p>
<p>Many of the comments here are ones I could easily have written.  However, I am driven to reply to Kurt and Kate’s latest posts about the CP.</p>
<p>I had never heard of the CP until now, so I took a look at their website.  I saw what they stood for, and several things gave me the chills.  I quote directly from the website:</p>
<p>The Democrats and Republicans have squandered the Founders’ legacy of liberty and justice under the Constitution. Countless government officials in the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government ignore their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. </p>
<p>Join the Constitution Party in its work to <b>restore</b> our government to its Constitutional limits and <b>our law to its Biblical foundations.</b></p>
<p>Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:<br />
1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;<br />
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;<br />
<b>3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as <i>divinely instituted</i>;</b><br />
4. Property: Each individual’s right to own and steward personal property without government burden;<br />
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;<br />
6. States’ Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;<br />
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.</p>
<p>Emphasis added.  Anybody a little uneasy about the CP after reading that, or am I misunderstanding something?</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/#comment-1030047</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1028237&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Oracle @ 167&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What oceans can protect US from these fascist conservative Republicans and even a few fascist conservative Democrats?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Forget al Qaeda.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The greatest danger to our democracy and our freedoms is exactly the same danger pre-World War II Germany experienced…from within.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No oceans, therefore, can protect US, because the ones out to destroy our country, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, are already here. Bush. Cheney. Addington. Perle. Feith. Gonzales. Rice. Alito. Roberts. Scalia. Thomas. Robertson. Dobson. Coulter. Malkin. O’Reilly. Limbaugh. Everyone at PNAC. Murdoch. And many other devious, evil people, driven mad by their insatiable lust for power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, just like during the American Revolution, we must save ourselves. We must stand up for and stand by those patriots who are the true defenders of our democracy and our freedoms. The lives and freedoms of our nation’s children depend on it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Exactly my sentiments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, no one should count on elections next fall. Does it make any sense to believe that this criminal administration intends to relinquish power and face potential criminal prosecutions here and in the Hague?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not likely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let this be the first of many general strikes and let us pray that we can save our liberty without loss of life.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1028237"><em>The Oracle @ 167</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What oceans can protect US from these fascist conservative Republicans and even a few fascist conservative Democrats?</p>
<p>Forget al Qaeda.</p>
<p>The greatest danger to our democracy and our freedoms is exactly the same danger pre-World War II Germany experienced…from within.</p>
<p>No oceans, therefore, can protect US, because the ones out to destroy our country, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, are already here. Bush. Cheney. Addington. Perle. Feith. Gonzales. Rice. Alito. Roberts. Scalia. Thomas. Robertson. Dobson. Coulter. Malkin. O’Reilly. Limbaugh. Everyone at PNAC. Murdoch. And many other devious, evil people, driven mad by their insatiable lust for power.</p>
<p>So, just like during the American Revolution, we must save ourselves. We must stand up for and stand by those patriots who are the true defenders of our democracy and our freedoms. The lives and freedoms of our nation’s children depend on it.</p>
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<p>Exactly my sentiments.</p>
<p>BTW, no one should count on elections next fall. Does it make any sense to believe that this criminal administration intends to relinquish power and face potential criminal prosecutions here and in the Hague?</p>
<p>Not likely.</p>
<p>Let this be the first of many general strikes and let us pray that we can save our liberty without loss of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/#comment-1029662</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1029656&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kurt @ 199&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Understood Carlo, you seem to have the same frustrations as I have with the Republican party. Maybe people will vote their wills, instead of the party…put an end to the Clintons, Bush’s and like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kate, I agree with almost all of what you said. Try out this party for size &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.constitutionparty.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.constitutionparty.com/&lt;/a&gt; . It may be more closely aligned to your belief structure. I have liked what I have seen so far.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hi Kurt!&lt;br /&gt;
That is so awsome! I recently became a proud member of the CP.  :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1029656"><em>Kurt @ 199</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Understood Carlo, you seem to have the same frustrations as I have with the Republican party. Maybe people will vote their wills, instead of the party…put an end to the Clintons, Bush’s and like.</p>
<p>Kate, I agree with almost all of what you said. Try out this party for size <a href="http://www.constitutionparty.com/">http://www.constitutionparty.com/</a> . It may be more closely aligned to your belief structure. I have liked what I have seen so far.</p>
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<p>Hi Kurt!<br />
That is so awsome! I recently became a proud member of the CP.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/#comment-1029656</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Understood Carlo, you seem to have the same frustrations as I have with the Republican party. Maybe people will vote their wills, instead of the party…put an end to the Clintons, Bush’s and like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kate, I agree with almost all of what you said. Try out this party for size &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.constitutionparty.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.constitutionparty.com/&lt;/a&gt; . It may be more closely aligned to your belief structure. I have liked what I have seen so far.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understood Carlo, you seem to have the same frustrations as I have with the Republican party. Maybe people will vote their wills, instead of the party…put an end to the Clintons, Bush’s and like.</p>
<p>Kate, I agree with almost all of what you said. Try out this party for size <a href="http://www.constitutionparty.com/">http://www.constitutionparty.com/</a> . It may be more closely aligned to your belief structure. I have liked what I have seen so far.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckD</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/#comment-1029625</link>
		<dc:creator>ChuckD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1029393&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kurt @ 189&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1028237&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[Mod Note; Comment edited by Mod.  Please refrain from insulting commenters.  Thank you.]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1029393&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kurt @ 189&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1028237&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Oracle @ 167&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What oceans can protect US from&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
our nation’s children depend on it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I finished reading through a lot of these comments, and I must say most of you are … &lt;em&gt;[edited by mod]&lt;/em&gt; … and obviously does not now what the founding fathers truly believed in. Review Thomas Jefferson’s letters to get an understanding on what he was thinking at the time, then come back&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
 global crisis? Jeeze, 25 years ago, we were having a global cooling crisis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[Mod Note; Comment edited by Mod.  Please refrain from insulting commenters.  Thank you.]&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When will we ever get a conservative viewpoint that isn’t laced with insults and invective? You really need to evolve past ‘hit them with a bigger club’ because like our current foreign policy, it negates any good intentions or valid points you might have.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That said, so we should await the conservatives’ declaration that the government’s out of control? You will be the arbiters of good government? All the polls I see now show a growing majority of Americans feel we’re on the wrong track in Iraq, and that our intrusion there was a mistake. If our government was ‘in control’ and responsive to it’s constituents, we’d see a change in tack by now, no? Instead we get escalation. What part of ‘out of control’ are you struggling with?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, but most of us (including the rest of the world) have decided that the time has passed for change and that this administration is doing more harm than good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lastly, if you want to cite Jefferson, please do cuz I don’t know what specifically you’re talking about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;C.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1029393"><em>Kurt @ 189</em></a></p>
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<p><em>[Mod Note; Comment edited by Mod.  Please refrain from insulting commenters.  Thank you.]</em>
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<p><a href="#comment-1029393"><em>Kurt @ 189</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1028237"><em>The Oracle @ 167</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What oceans can protect US from<br />
…<br />
our nation’s children depend on it.</p>
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<p>I finished reading through a lot of these comments, and I must say most of you are … <em>[edited by mod]</em> … and obviously does not now what the founding fathers truly believed in. Review Thomas Jefferson’s letters to get an understanding on what he was thinking at the time, then come back<br />
…<br />
 global crisis? Jeeze, 25 years ago, we were having a global cooling crisis.</p>
<p><em>[Mod Note; Comment edited by Mod.  Please refrain from insulting commenters.  Thank you.]</em>
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<p>When will we ever get a conservative viewpoint that isn’t laced with insults and invective? You really need to evolve past ‘hit them with a bigger club’ because like our current foreign policy, it negates any good intentions or valid points you might have.</p>
<p>That said, so we should await the conservatives’ declaration that the government’s out of control? You will be the arbiters of good government? All the polls I see now show a growing majority of Americans feel we’re on the wrong track in Iraq, and that our intrusion there was a mistake. If our government was ‘in control’ and responsive to it’s constituents, we’d see a change in tack by now, no? Instead we get escalation. What part of ‘out of control’ are you struggling with?</p>
<p>Sorry, but most of us (including the rest of the world) have decided that the time has passed for change and that this administration is doing more harm than good.</p>
<p>Lastly, if you want to cite Jefferson, please do cuz I don’t know what specifically you’re talking about.</p>
<p>C.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/#comment-1029600</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1029481&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kurt @ 194&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1029438&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Carlo @ 190&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
This is exactly the problem.  Your blindness to  all of the evil that is going on in this country and around the world due to this fascist administration is exactly what we have been discussing.  You and all your fellow blind citizens have nothing to fear, we will not be attacking the right as we have been attacked.  However, we will be taking power for the foreseeable future as the right has totally failed this country at every level and in every way possible and has done everything in its power to destroy the constitution and the very freedoms that this country was founded on.  The graft that has accompanied this is on a truly titanic scale, and hopefully there will be prosecutions.  However, the average blind conservative has nothing to fear less being sidelined from power for as long as it can be managed.  We are very well aware of the fact that conservatives are our friends and neighbors that have constitutional rights as well.  I can’t count on both hands and both feet the number of friends and relatives that I never discuss these matters with as it is pointless and only serves to end communication.  Likewise, a much greater number of people I know, meaning all Democrats, all Independents, and quite a few Republicans, see the Bush administration as something that must be completely expunged from our national psyche by any and all legal means necessary.  The left has been out of power for quite a while, and now it is your turn.  A replay of the election of 1932 is very, very possible.  Read it and weep.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You keep refering to this administration, I’m refering to all of them in general. Bush is the least of your problems, at least you all know where you stand with him. You keep refering to him as “Fascist”, how has he acted in a fascist manor to the American people? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Trust me, I am not blind. I look at the world today and see things that make me sick. I rarely watch the news anymore just cause I don’t want to see how many people were killed in random acts of violence across the US. The good &amp; moral things I grew up with are being eroded in an alarming rate. Just recently I bought tickets for a Red Wings game in Detroit. When walking to the game with my wife, I was told by the hotel manager not to walk there as I am TOO WHITE (meaning I would be killed before I would walk the 5  blocks to get there).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also see Congress men doing crude things in bathrooms I don’t want to think about. I see congress men/women taking bribes and putting it into their freezers, or packing their husbands business’s bank accounts full of cash from the American ATM.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My point with all this is…let Bush go…He’s done in a year anyway, and Chenney isn’t going to be doing anything after this. Use your energies. Hold these other idiots accountable for their actions….ALL OF THEM regardless of party affiliation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not blind, and I tend to look at both side’s of everything. I suggest you do the same.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will only reply to the last part of the comment.  There is no question that the Democratic party is not a be-all and end-all to solve many of these problems.  I’m not personally thrilled with my congresswoman but she does vote the way I would 95% of the time.  My Demo senator I agree with 75% of the time, and the Repub one manages to about 20% of the time and is definitely on the left wing of the Repubs right now.  All have fairly clean records ethically. My point is that there is a powerful and growing Progressive caucus within the Democratic party that is having increasing influence and will not be ignored.  There will be several primary challenges to non-progressive Democrats in 2008.  No, the Democratic party is not totally clean, but the Progressives will do their best to make it so.   Our ethical problems are miniscule compared to the institutionalized Republican graft of the last 6-7 years.  Don’t be too surprised if some major inter-party splits occur after the overwhelming victory.  Luckily we will only need simple majorities to pass legislation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1029481"><em>Kurt @ 194</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1029438"><em>Carlo @ 190</em></a></p>
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This is exactly the problem.  Your blindness to  all of the evil that is going on in this country and around the world due to this fascist administration is exactly what we have been discussing.  You and all your fellow blind citizens have nothing to fear, we will not be attacking the right as we have been attacked.  However, we will be taking power for the foreseeable future as the right has totally failed this country at every level and in every way possible and has done everything in its power to destroy the constitution and the very freedoms that this country was founded on.  The graft that has accompanied this is on a truly titanic scale, and hopefully there will be prosecutions.  However, the average blind conservative has nothing to fear less being sidelined from power for as long as it can be managed.  We are very well aware of the fact that conservatives are our friends and neighbors that have constitutional rights as well.  I can’t count on both hands and both feet the number of friends and relatives that I never discuss these matters with as it is pointless and only serves to end communication.  Likewise, a much greater number of people I know, meaning all Democrats, all Independents, and quite a few Republicans, see the Bush administration as something that must be completely expunged from our national psyche by any and all legal means necessary.  The left has been out of power for quite a while, and now it is your turn.  A replay of the election of 1932 is very, very possible.  Read it and weep.</p>
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<p>What?</p>
<p>You keep refering to this administration, I’m refering to all of them in general. Bush is the least of your problems, at least you all know where you stand with him. You keep refering to him as “Fascist”, how has he acted in a fascist manor to the American people? </p>
<p>Trust me, I am not blind. I look at the world today and see things that make me sick. I rarely watch the news anymore just cause I don’t want to see how many people were killed in random acts of violence across the US. The good &amp; moral things I grew up with are being eroded in an alarming rate. Just recently I bought tickets for a Red Wings game in Detroit. When walking to the game with my wife, I was told by the hotel manager not to walk there as I am TOO WHITE (meaning I would be killed before I would walk the 5  blocks to get there).</p>
<p>I also see Congress men doing crude things in bathrooms I don’t want to think about. I see congress men/women taking bribes and putting it into their freezers, or packing their husbands business’s bank accounts full of cash from the American ATM.</p>
<p>My point with all this is…let Bush go…He’s done in a year anyway, and Chenney isn’t going to be doing anything after this. Use your energies. Hold these other idiots accountable for their actions….ALL OF THEM regardless of party affiliation.</p>
<p>I am not blind, and I tend to look at both side’s of everything. I suggest you do the same.</p>
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<p>I will only reply to the last part of the comment.  There is no question that the Democratic party is not a be-all and end-all to solve many of these problems.  I’m not personally thrilled with my congresswoman but she does vote the way I would 95% of the time.  My Demo senator I agree with 75% of the time, and the Repub one manages to about 20% of the time and is definitely on the left wing of the Repubs right now.  All have fairly clean records ethically. My point is that there is a powerful and growing Progressive caucus within the Democratic party that is having increasing influence and will not be ignored.  There will be several primary challenges to non-progressive Democrats in 2008.  No, the Democratic party is not totally clean, but the Progressives will do their best to make it so.   Our ethical problems are miniscule compared to the institutionalized Republican graft of the last 6-7 years.  Don’t be too surprised if some major inter-party splits occur after the overwhelming victory.  Luckily we will only need simple majorities to pass legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1029453&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twolf1 @ 193&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1029438&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Carlo @ 190&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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This is exactly the problem.  Your blindness to  all of the evil that is going on in this country and around the world due to this fascist administration is exactly what we have been discussing.  You and all your fellow blind citizens have nothing to fear, we will not be attacking the right as we have been attacked.  However, we will be taking power for the foreseeable future as the right has totally failed this country at every level and in every way possible and has done everything in its power to destroy the constitution and the very freedoms that this country was founded on.  The graft that has accompanied this is on a truly titanic scale, and hopefully there will be prosecutions.  However, the average blind conservative has nothing to fear less being sidelined from power for as long as it can be managed.  We are very well aware of the fact that conservatives are our friends and neighbors that have constitutional rights as well.  I can’t count on both hands and both feet the number of friends and relatives that I never discuss these matters with as it is pointless and only serves to end communication.  Likewise, a much greater number of people I know, meaning all Democrats, all Independents, and quite a few Republicans, see the Bush administration as something that must be completely expunged from our national psyche by any and all legal means necessary.  The left has been out of power for quite a while, and now it is your turn.  A replay of the election of 1932 is very, very possible.  Read it and weep.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/10/20071012-2.html&quot;&gt;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....012-2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1029393&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kurt @ 189&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1028237&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Oracle @ 167&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What oceans can protect US from these fascist conservative Republicans and even a few fascist conservative Democrats?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Forget al Qaeda.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The greatest danger to our democracy and our freedoms is exactly the same danger pre-World War II Germany experienced…from within.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No oceans, therefore, can protect US, because the ones out to destroy our country, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, are already here. Bush. Cheney. Addington. Perle. Feith. Gonzales. Rice. Alito. Roberts. Scalia. Thomas. Robertson. Dobson. Coulter. Malkin. O’Reilly. Limbaugh. Everyone at PNAC. Murdoch. And many other devious, evil people, driven mad by their insatiable lust for power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, just like during the American Revolution, we must save ourselves. We must stand up for and stand by those patriots who are the true defenders of our democracy and our freedoms. The lives and freedoms of our nation’s children depend on it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I finished reading through a lot of these comments, and I must say most of you are … &lt;em&gt;[edited by mod]&lt;/em&gt; … and obviously does not now what the founding fathers truly believed in. Review Thomas Jefferson’s letters to get an understanding on what he was thinking at the time, then come back and spew your rhetoric.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To all of you that think us conservatives as fascists, remember we are your neighbors and friends that go to work every day, pay taxes and make this country move forward. Trust me, if there was ever a chance that the government was as out of control as many of you think, we would be standing right beside you fighting to the death. Speaking of which, if all of you really think things are this bad, why are you not putting everything on the line (even your lives)? I say this also to the environmental crowd who think the earth is melting…if things are this bad, why are we not shutting down everything that may be contributing to global warming. Why is Al Gore not shutting down two of his three 10,000 sq ft homes (anyone want to guess how much energy is needed to heat/cool those houses) to help this global crisis? Jeeze, 25 years ago, we were having a global cooling crisis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[Mod Note; Comment edited by Mod.  Please refrain from insulting commenters.  Thank you.]&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The “Label”of republican no longer means “conservative”. I have been a labeled republican of 30 yrs and I am very conservative. The republican party “label” no longer fits me, as there is NOTHING “conservative” about it. It no longer believes in smaller, limited government and upholds to its “constitutional” beliefs of no nation building or policing the world. Its leader whom I regret having supported ran on those exact princples and has stated on many occasions that he IS THE DECIDER and that the constitution is just a “G-D&amp;#@N piece of paper.” The phony 2 party system of labeling one either a republican or democrat is just what it is..A useless label of what is made up of all “AMERICANS”. Why didn’t you move to the left of the page and post the unconstitutional patriot act while you were at it? How about extortion being so called legal through the IRS when in fact it was supposed to be a voluntary act to give ONLY if an american citizen was inclined to give? How about giving power back to the people instead of this now fascist secretive government controling and using surveillance on every street corner? You are still sleepwalking as I did when I too voted for this corrupt and secretive administration. This is the most secretive government in our nations history and where there are secrets kept from the people, You can BELIEVE there IS much to hide. Hopefully you will turnoff your television and get off your couch and do something to contribute to preserving your nations constitutionally smaller, limited governmental  principles.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1029453"><em>twolf1 @ 193</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1029438"><em>Carlo @ 190</em></a></p>
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This is exactly the problem.  Your blindness to  all of the evil that is going on in this country and around the world due to this fascist administration is exactly what we have been discussing.  You and all your fellow blind citizens have nothing to fear, we will not be attacking the right as we have been attacked.  However, we will be taking power for the foreseeable future as the right has totally failed this country at every level and in every way possible and has done everything in its power to destroy the constitution and the very freedoms that this country was founded on.  The graft that has accompanied this is on a truly titanic scale, and hopefully there will be prosecutions.  However, the average blind conservative has nothing to fear less being sidelined from power for as long as it can be managed.  We are very well aware of the fact that conservatives are our friends and neighbors that have constitutional rights as well.  I can’t count on both hands and both feet the number of friends and relatives that I never discuss these matters with as it is pointless and only serves to end communication.  Likewise, a much greater number of people I know, meaning all Democrats, all Independents, and quite a few Republicans, see the Bush administration as something that must be completely expunged from our national psyche by any and all legal means necessary.  The left has been out of power for quite a while, and now it is your turn.  A replay of the election of 1932 is very, very possible.  Read it and weep.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/10/20071012-2.html">http://www.whitehouse.gov/news&#8230;..012-2.html</a></p>
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<p><a href="#comment-1029393"><em>Kurt @ 189</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1028237"><em>The Oracle @ 167</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What oceans can protect US from these fascist conservative Republicans and even a few fascist conservative Democrats?</p>
<p>Forget al Qaeda.</p>
<p>The greatest danger to our democracy and our freedoms is exactly the same danger pre-World War II Germany experienced…from within.</p>
<p>No oceans, therefore, can protect US, because the ones out to destroy our country, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, are already here. Bush. Cheney. Addington. Perle. Feith. Gonzales. Rice. Alito. Roberts. Scalia. Thomas. Robertson. Dobson. Coulter. Malkin. O’Reilly. Limbaugh. Everyone at PNAC. Murdoch. And many other devious, evil people, driven mad by their insatiable lust for power.</p>
<p>So, just like during the American Revolution, we must save ourselves. We must stand up for and stand by those patriots who are the true defenders of our democracy and our freedoms. The lives and freedoms of our nation’s children depend on it.</p>
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<p>I finished reading through a lot of these comments, and I must say most of you are … <em>[edited by mod]</em> … and obviously does not now what the founding fathers truly believed in. Review Thomas Jefferson’s letters to get an understanding on what he was thinking at the time, then come back and spew your rhetoric.</p>
<p>To all of you that think us conservatives as fascists, remember we are your neighbors and friends that go to work every day, pay taxes and make this country move forward. Trust me, if there was ever a chance that the government was as out of control as many of you think, we would be standing right beside you fighting to the death. Speaking of which, if all of you really think things are this bad, why are you not putting everything on the line (even your lives)? I say this also to the environmental crowd who think the earth is melting…if things are this bad, why are we not shutting down everything that may be contributing to global warming. Why is Al Gore not shutting down two of his three 10,000 sq ft homes (anyone want to guess how much energy is needed to heat/cool those houses) to help this global crisis? Jeeze, 25 years ago, we were having a global cooling crisis.</p>
<p><em>[Mod Note; Comment edited by Mod.  Please refrain from insulting commenters.  Thank you.]</em>
</p>
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<p>The “Label”of republican no longer means “conservative”. I have been a labeled republican of 30 yrs and I am very conservative. The republican party “label” no longer fits me, as there is NOTHING “conservative” about it. It no longer believes in smaller, limited government and upholds to its “constitutional” beliefs of no nation building or policing the world. Its leader whom I regret having supported ran on those exact princples and has stated on many occasions that he IS THE DECIDER and that the constitution is just a “G-D&amp;#@N piece of paper.” The phony 2 party system of labeling one either a republican or democrat is just what it is..A useless label of what is made up of all “AMERICANS”. Why didn’t you move to the left of the page and post the unconstitutional patriot act while you were at it? How about extortion being so called legal through the IRS when in fact it was supposed to be a voluntary act to give ONLY if an american citizen was inclined to give? How about giving power back to the people instead of this now fascist secretive government controling and using surveillance on every street corner? You are still sleepwalking as I did when I too voted for this corrupt and secretive administration. This is the most secretive government in our nations history and where there are secrets kept from the people, You can BELIEVE there IS much to hide. Hopefully you will turnoff your television and get off your couch and do something to contribute to preserving your nations constitutionally smaller, limited governmental  principles.</p>
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