I like Dodd.

Dodd makes sense

Hiya Jane

Jane,
If I win the Red Sox tickets he’s giving away to a contributor, would you be my date?

Remember this?

Far too many D’s joined the soulless rethuglicans on that list.

We in this house would much prefer Dodd as next president to the cardboard cut-out duo of Obama and Hillary.

I like that Dodd is lucid, and not batshit insane. I would like for the next president to be lucid, and not batshit insane. I would like to be able to see tv coverage of some kind of world leader summit, and be able to point, and say, “there’s our president!” instead of covering my face and pretending to be Canadian.

I’m guessing that variable rate mortgages have jumped up in the list of causes for bankruptcy since that article. Granted, the number of people going bankrupt due to medical issues has jumped as well. That’s why I was pretty happy when I followed the links over to Dodd’s website and saw what he had to say about both bankruptcy reform and home ownership. The more I read of Dodd, the more I like him. He would make a fine president and I hope he can prove the conventional wisdom wrong and win the Democratic nomination.

cleter @ 7

I like that Dodd is lucid, and not batshit insane. I would like for the next president to be lucid, and not batshit insane. I would like to be able to see tv coverage of some kind of world leader summit, and be able to point, and say, “there’s our president!” instead of covering my face and pretending to be Canadian.

Wouldn’t it be nice to look forward to a presidential news conference again instead of being sure that the TV is off? I would be so happy to have a real Prez instead of know-nothing Bush.

People buying groceries at WalMart with plastic. This is bothersome.

I like Chris Dodd, I really do. I’ve been very impressed with his answers about things. And noooo, I can’t think of a one right now.

dakine01 @ 4

Jane,
If I win the Red Sox tickets he’s giving away to a contributor, would you be my date?

If Jane won’t go, can I? I’ll even buy the airfare!

cleter @ 7

I like that Dodd is lucid, and not batshit insane. I would like for the next president to be lucid, and not batshit insane. I would like to be able to see tv coverage of some kind of world leader summit, and be able to point, and say, “there’s our president!” instead of covering my face and pretending to be Canadian.

Here ya go! This is IT!

((((((((((JANE))))))))))

Lucky Chris Dodd and listeners here, there and everywhere. And thanks for the linky and hope it is reposted as time draws nearer for the broadcast!

Thing of it is, for many we are already in a depression. Never mind a recession.

Anyone here going to be at the Gore/Boxer fundraiser Thursday evening in SF? Would be nice to meet some of you :-)

Gnome de Plume @ 12

dakine01 @ 4

Jane,
If I win the Red Sox tickets he’s giving away to a contributor, would you be my date?

If Jane won’t go, can I? I’ll even buy the airfare!

Supposedly airfare is covered as are hotel accommodations

OT
Zoelnick new head of World bank on w Ifill On NewHour

I like a sitting Senator or Representative who actually writes and submits good legislation.. then works for it’s passage. Dodd and Kucinich are men of action, they put bills on the table instead of just promising something without backup.

Obama and Hillary… not so much.

Gnome de Plume @ 12

dakine01 @ 4

Jane,
If I win the Red Sox tickets he’s giving away to a contributor, would you be my date?

If Jane won’t go, can I? I’ll even buy the airfare!

Dayam, that’d be sooo awesome… Jane wouldn’t be Dumpster-Diving, she’d be in a real Ball Park…!!! ;-)

cleter @ 7

I like that Dodd is lucid, and not batshit insane. I would like for the next president to be lucid, and not batshit insane. I would like to be able to see tv coverage of some kind of world leader summit, and be able to point, and say, “there’s our president!” instead of covering my face and pretending to be Canadian.

I wish I had written this cuz I sure think it a lot too! I like Dodd and wish he and Edwards were both higher in the polls.

Markinsanfran @ 16

Anyone here going to be at the Gore/Boxer fundraiser Thursday evening in SF? Would be nice to meet some of you :-)

Are tickets still available and how much they cost or better yet, a linky for information?

There’s a whole lot of modern-day Joad types sitting in suburbia. Waiting for foreclosure.

dakine01 @ 17

Gnome de Plume @ 12

If Jane won’t go, can I? I’ll even buy the airfare!

Supposedly airfare is covered as are hotel accommodations

Cool! I didn’t read closely enough. I whipped out the ol’ Mastercard and entered myself as soon as I hit send. Problem is if I win, Mr. Gnome will think he should be my date. ;~}

Does HRC have a solution?

dakine01 @ 4

Jane,
If I win the Red Sox tickets he’s giving away to a contributor, would you be my date?

Oh you know it.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 23

There’s a whole lot of modern-day Joad types sitting in suburbia. Waiting for foreclosure.

I blame the credit card companies and our instant gratification culture.

Hey Jane,

Ask him if he’s ever heard of the word “usury”.

Ask him if he’s ever heard of the word “vigorish”.

Ask him why the corporate loansharks credit card companies are putting the neighborhood loansharks out of business.

And after he walks off the air in a huff, take over the microphone and give him a great big Bronx cheer for “credit due”.

Jane Hamsher @ 26

dakine01 @ 4

Jane,
If I win the Red Sox tickets he’s giving away to a contributor, would you be my date?

Oh you know it.

Even though I saw you in a Yankees cap a couple of days ago? Better not let anyone else in Boston know.

Gore/Dodd would be good.

dakine01 @ 4

Jane,
If I win the Red Sox tickets he’s giving away to a contributor, would you be my date?

Thanks.. I just contributed… hmmm Game Six

Dodd has been my main guy, along with John Edwards, ever since I discovered that Dodd was sponsoring the Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007 — which unfortunately did not get enough votes the first time around, IIRC.

Bob in HI

Oklahoma kiddo @ 25

Does HRC have a solution?

Todays WAPO

In an interview aboard her campaign bus, Clinton (N.Y.) acknowledged that she has contributed to the divisive politics of the past decade but said she has learned from those experiences. She said that if she becomes president, she will attempt to assemble a broad, centrist coalition on such key issues as health care, energy independence and national security.

Broad centrist… New DLC meme

Just 12 months until the next election.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 30

Gore/Dodd would be good.

I certainly appreciate DraftGoreDotCom’s brass tacks approach…!!! ;-)

Oklahoma kiddo @ 34

Just 12 months until the next election.

By that time my stomach will be in a permanent knot. I really would like to have it next week.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 30

Gore/Dodd would be good.

Yep but all things considered I’d prefer a younger VP and John Edwards sure fits that bill. Imagine 16 years of peace, truth and sanity in a Democratic White House!

ReElect President Gore & VP Edwards 2008!

BTW – John Edwards is up now on the News Hour and being interviewed by Ray ? – sorry gone blank on his last name.

John Edwards interview with Ray Suarez on the candidate’s series on NewsHour

Elliott @ 38

John Edwards interview with Ray Suarez on the candidate’s series on NewsHour

forgive me, Candidate Dodd

Eureka Springs @ 33

Oklahoma kiddo @ 25

Does HRC have a solution?

Todays WAPO

In an interview aboard her campaign bus, Clinton (N.Y.) acknowledged that she has contributed to the divisive politics of the past decade but said she has learned from those experiences. She said that if she becomes president, she will attempt to assemble a broad, centrist coalition on such key issues as health care, energy independence and national security.

Broad centrist… New DLC meme

“broad, centrist coalition”. I know what that means and I don’t like it one bit. Now we’re getting down to it.

Credit
Tower of Power

Go and get it
With your good credit.
Go and get it
With your good credit.
You can
Do the town.
Paint it up red.
Don’t worry about a thing,
You don’t need no bread.
Go and get it
With your good credit.
You can
Dine in style.
Live like a king.
Keep the spirit flowing.
Ain’t no big thing.
Go and get it
With your good credit.

(sorry, tried to find video link v. lyrics!)

Rachel Maddow said she is gonna be on KO tonite…!!! ;-)

Screw your broad centrist coalition, senator.

newspaperbrat @ 37

Oklahoma kiddo @ 30

Gore/Dodd would be good.

Yep but all things considered I’d prefer a younger VP and John Edwards sure fits that bill. Imagine 16 years of peace, truth and sanity in a Democratic White House!

ReElect President Gore & VP Edwards 2008!

BTW – John Edwards is up now on the News Hour and being interviewed by Ray ? – sorry gone blank on his last name.

If Mr. Gore does not come in we in this home are leaning to Edwards. And Edwards would be a a very good choice for VP. Imagine. Eight years of Gore followed by eight more of President John Edwards. ;0)

One more tidbit from the WAPO Hillary interview.

Clinton was similarly vague about how she would handle special interrogation methods used by the CIA. She said that while she does not condone torture, so much has been kept secret that she would not know unless selected what other extreme measures interrogators are using, and therefore could not say whether she would change or continue existing policies.

So she doesn’t like torture but will not commit to ending torture unless she is elected first and finds herself to disgusted to order it herself???

Broad centrist.. not with my vote.

CTuttle @ 42

Rachel Maddow said she is gonna be on KO tonite…!!! ;-)

Thanks for the head’s up CT – KO clearly has a crush and with good reason. ;~)

CTuttle @ 42

Rachel Maddow said she is gonna be on KO tonite…!!! ;-)

Good.

newspaperbrat @ 46

CTuttle @ 42

Rachel Maddow said she is gonna be on KO tonite…!!! ;-)

Thanks for the head’s up CT – KO clearly has a crush and with good reason. ;~)

I like their chemistry…!!!

bobschacht @ 32

Dodd has been my main guy, along with John Edwards, ever since I discovered that Dodd was sponsoring the Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007 — which unfortunately did not get enough votes the first time around, IIRC.

Bob in HI

Ron Paul will restore the Constitution.

We also like Edwards/Dodd. Or the other way around. Looking at Edwards with Ray Suarez on NewsHour. Thank you, newspaperbrat for the tip.

I wish the 2nd tier candidates had more of a chance. At any rate don’t know if those of you who are getting all the campaign stuff saw this one.Richardson has a SCHIP petition.

At the beginning of October, Governor Richardson and 28 other Governors signed a letter to President George W. Bush urging him to sign the bill extending the popular children’s health care program known as SCHIP. . .
Help us win our case — now we are joining forces with seven other states and we’re taking President Bush to court.

Can someone tell me how the tax exempt/not for profit health organizations and insurers who who provide services, while bankrupting uninsured and insured Americans for life and forcing foreclosures, is “lessening the burdens of government” for the 501C (3) IRS tax exempt status they enjoy?, How does this benefit the general welfare of the nation!! Seems like a scheme to me where the taxpayer citizen is the only one on the short end of then stick!!!

CTuttle @ 48

newspaperbrat @ 46

Thanks for the head’s up CT – KO clearly has a crush and with good reason. ;~)

I like their chemistry…!!!

I thought Rachel Maddow didn’t swing that way.

There seems to be a clear choice on Iraq between Edwards and Clinton. I’ll go with Edwards.

PLovering @ 49

bobschacht @ 32

Dodd has been my main guy, along with John Edwards, ever since I discovered that Dodd was sponsoring the Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007 — which unfortunately did not get enough votes the first time around, IIRC.

Bob in HI

Ron Paul will restore the Constitution.

EH?

Gnome de Plume @ 29

Jane Hamsher @ 26

Oh you know it.

Even though I saw you in a Yankees cap a couple of days ago? Better not let anyone else in Boston know.

Well, I’ve got a Red Sox cap (as well as two or three Cincy caps, and a couple of Kentucky caps etc etc etc – have to protect the chrome dome doncha know)

PLovering @ 49

bobschacht @ 32

Dodd has been my main guy, along with John Edwards, ever since I discovered that Dodd was sponsoring the Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007 — which unfortunately did not get enough votes the first time around, IIRC.

Bob in HI

Ron Paul will restore the Constitution.

PL, I appreciate your support of Paul but he would not restore the constitution. He is against a womans individual right to determine her reproductive considerations. He would quite simply (as TSF mentioned) eliminate government with the exception of maintaining a huge Military Industrial Complex… the one thing this country needs to dramatically reduce more than anything else, imo.

Is there anyone here that can convince me that HRC is a Progressive?

dakine01 @ 56

Gnome de Plume @ 29

Even though I saw you in a Yankees cap a couple of days ago? Better not let anyone else in Boston know.

Well, I’ve got a Red Sox cap (as well as two or three Cincy caps, and a couple of Kentucky caps etc etc etc – have to protect the chrome dome doncha know)

Ah. Chris Dodd is having a Red Sox raffle I believe. Kid you not.

Eureka Springs @ 45

One more tidbit from the WAPO Hillary interview.

Clinton was similarly vague about how she would handle special interrogation methods used by the CIA. She said that while she does not condone torture, so much has been kept secret that she would not know unless selected what other extreme measures interrogators are using, and therefore could not say whether she would change or continue existing policies.

So she doesn’t like torture but will not commit to ending torture unless she is elected first and finds herself to disgusted to order it herself???

Broad centrist.. not with my vote.

I no longer form opinions from the MSM without doing some research..it’s going to get worse.

Washington Post Distorts Hillary’s Answers In Front Page Interview

link

Oklahoma kiddo @ 58

Is there anyone here that can convince me that HRC is a Progressive?

Hahahaha. No way. I believe some of the candidates have progressive qualities. But I am hard put to put particularly Obama and Hillary in that category. It’s amazing how quickly Obama climbed that ladder.

mui @ 55

PLovering @ 49

Ron Paul will restore the Constitution.

EH?

I might trust Paul to restore the Constitution…but libertarian that he is, I’d also trust him to destroy much that is good but not explicitly set out in the Constitution. Economically, a right-libertarian is still a wingnut, and that isn’t a trade I feel the need to make.

I like Edwards. I like Dodd too.

OT: Carter is flat-out calling bullshit on Bush’s latest “We don’t torture” statement. Anyone know when was the last time a former President has called out the current President on an issue of this magnitude?

mui @ 61

Oklahoma kiddo @ 58

Is there anyone here that can convince me that HRC is a Progressive?

Hahahaha. No way. I believe some of the candidates have progressive qualities. But I am hard put to put particularly Obama and Hillary in that category. It’s amazing how quickly Obama climbed that ladder.

;0)

Oklahoma kiddo @ 54

There seems to be a clear choice on Iraq between Edwards and Clinton. I’ll go with Edwards.

me too

mui @ 59

dakine01 @ 56

Well, I’ve got a Red Sox cap (as well as two or three Cincy caps, and a couple of Kentucky caps etc etc etc – have to protect the chrome dome doncha know)

Ah. Chris Dodd is having a Red Sox raffle I believe. Kid you not.

Mui, that is what started the whole conversation. Dakine and I have both entered and are making plans of who to invite if we win. :~]

PLovering @ 49

bobschacht @ 32

Dodd has been my main guy, along with John Edwards, ever since I discovered that Dodd was sponsoring the Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007 — which unfortunately did not get enough votes the first time around, IIRC.

Bob in HI

Ron Paul will restore the Constitution.

He’ll also get rid of the Dept. of Education.

Elliott @ 66

Oklahoma kiddo @ 54

There seems to be a clear choice on Iraq between Edwards and Clinton. I’ll go with Edwards.

me too

;0)

Still OT: Gonzo’s lawyered up.

mui @ 59

dakine01 @ 56

Well, I’ve got a Red Sox cap (as well as two or three Cincy caps, and a couple of Kentucky caps etc etc etc – have to protect the chrome dome doncha know)

Ah. Chris Dodd is having a Red Sox raffle I believe. Kid you not.

See me @ #4

Gnome de Plume @ 67

mui @ 59

Ah. Chris Dodd is having a Red Sox raffle I believe. Kid you not.

Mui, that is what started the whole conversation. Dakine and I have both entered and are making plans of who to invite if we win. :~]

Invite Jane!

Frank Probst @ 64

OT: Carter is flat-out calling bullshit on Bush’s latest “We don’t torture” statement. Anyone know when was the last time a former President has called out the current President on an issue of this magnitude?

I like Carter. A lot.

Frank Probst @ 64

OT: Carter is flat-out calling bullshit on Bush’s latest “We don’t torture” statement. Anyone know when was the last time a former President has called out the current President on an issue of this magnitude?

Good for Carter. We’re well past due for the presidential equivalent of a showdown at high noon over Bush’s habits of torturing and lying about it.

Frank Probst @ 70

Still OT: Gonzo’s lawyered up.

now that really strikes me as funny.

link?

Frank Probst @ 70

Still OT: Gonzo’s lawyered up.

this could get interesting,
or not (thinking Libby.)

Oklahoma kiddo @ 58

Is there anyone here that can convince me that HRC is a Progressive?

Progressive? Probably not..but maybe not as bad as the Rethug-MSM propaganda..I am and will be trying to sort through the bullshit..I found this info interesting:
link

link

link

Frank Probst @ 70

Still OT: Gonzo’s lawyered up.

Guess he figures he has way too many heavy questions to answer for, and from past experience, he doesn’t do a very good job of it.

Babs Comstock alert on the upcoming Hardballs.

This has been a public service announcement.

Frank Probst @ 64

OT: Carter is flat-out calling bullshit on Bush’s latest “We don’t torture” statement. Anyone know when was the last time a former President has called out the current President on an issue of this magnitude?

link?

What would happen if we temporarily nationalized the banks? Lending institutions do seem somewhat out of control.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 23

There’s a whole lot of modern-day Joad types sitting in suburbia. Waiting for foreclosure.

And a lot of them are in for an unpleasant surprise when they read H.R. 3506, which they think will protect them from the tax hit on foreclosure. Short version: if your mortgage is non-recourse, you’re still screwed.

EvilDrPuma @ 62

mui @ 55

EH?

I might trust Paul to restore the Constitution…but libertarian that he is, I’d also trust him to destroy much that is good but not explicitly set out in the Constitution. Economically, a right-libertarian is still a wingnut, and that isn’t a trade I feel the need to make.

Yeah he might be a little too mcuh.

Twain @ 36

Oklahoma kiddo @ 34

Just 12 months until the next election.

By that time my stomach will be in a permanent knot. I really would like to have it next week.

Could we ask the people untying it to do a rush job?

A week sounds like a long time without a stomach, but maybe I’m just hasty…

tw3k @ 75

Frank Probst @ 70

Still OT: Gonzo’s lawyered up.

now that really strikes me as funny.

link?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21…../newsweek/

Frank Probst @ 70

Still OT: Gonzo’s lawyered up.

He listened to Leahy’s advice?

Steve-AR @ 77

Oklahoma kiddo @ 58

Is there anyone here that can convince me that HRC is a Progressive?

Progressive? Probably not..but maybe not as bad as the Rethug-MSM propaganda..I am and will be trying to sort through the bullshit..I found this info interesting:
link

link

link

Lahoma and I will take a look-see.

If I may go OT:

“An Inconvenient Truth” can be shown in UK schools but will have to include opposing arguments

snip….

Mr Justice Burton said the government could still send the film to schools – if accompanied by guidance giving the other side of the arguments.

….snip

BBC Link

mui @ 53

CTuttle @ 48

I like their chemistry…!!!

I thought Rachel Maddow didn’t swing that way.

That’s my memory, too, but they’ve got good on-the-air chemistry.

Bob in HI

RonD @ 80

Frank Probst @ 64

OT: Carter is flat-out calling bullshit on Bush’s latest “We don’t torture” statement. Anyone know when was the last time a former President has called out the current President on an issue of this magnitude?

link?

http://politicalticker.blogs.c…..-tortures/

jayt @ 79

Babs Comstock alert on the upcoming Hardballs.

This has been a public service announcement.

Thanks1 I’ll be sure to avoid it.

Frank Probst @ 70

Still OT: Gonzo’s lawyered up.

lawyered or liquored?

Steve-AR, Thanks, and it’s a good point.

Jane,

I have nothing for you.
Can I just connect with you for a minute?

I know you’ve reached the point where you wonder if you can just keep going. I’m at that point in a way. I will keep going. I have too many people depending on me. I simply cannot stop.

But I can stop doing anything on a larger scale.

I have real family members who need me. My father just lost his beloved wife, my loving loving stepmother, two weeks ago. My husband is far too old to be running a restaurant in the North End of Boston, but he does. My son was born with my husband’s ADHD gene and is home, rather then in the dorm, attending college. I can’t count the number of boys and a few fantastic girls that I work with who have needs that are considered special.

That’s a little of the personal.

I want to work on a bigger scale. Honestly this happened. As I was re-examining the kid who was tasered and arrested for being a journalism student, I stumbled onto my friend’s tragedy: his wife had the nerve to get upset at the airport when they would not let her fly at the times that they told her she could fly.

She’s dead.

This coincided with the 12 year old kid with special needs being grateful for insurance. The fact that Republicans feel that his family is fair game for the Rove Smear has put me over the edge.

I work hard for kids for a small amount of money and it is my pleasure. But I somehow have gone over some edge and I am reaching out to you in this writing forum.

Reach back.

If it makes any difference. I ended up in the emergency room of a wonderful hospital with all the tests for heart failure. Why?

The Red Sox won the World Series.

True story.

Thanks Frank.

Ann in AZ @ 78

Frank Probst @ 70

Still OT: Gonzo’s lawyered up.

Guess he figures he has way too many heavy questions to answer for, and from past experience, he doesn’t do a very good job of it.

I would love IG Fine to assign Fitz to pursue the criminal charges he was alluding to…!!! ;-)

dakine01 @ 71

mui @ 59

Ah. Chris Dodd is having a Red Sox raffle I believe. Kid you not.

See me @ #4

I’ll see your 4 if you see my 72.

jayt @ 79

Babs Comstock alert on the upcoming Hardballs.

This has been a public service announcement.

Heh, defending Flip-Flop Mitt!!!

Frank Probst @ 85

tw3k @ 75

now that really strikes me as funny.

link?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21…../newsweek/

Thanks!

OT

Do you pups think that some progressives who manage to get into government will actually hire on some progressive bloggers as policy advisors?

There are some kick ass brains in the progblogosphere.

foulis @ 88

If I may go OT:

“An Inconvenient Truth” can be shown in UK schools but will have to include opposing arguments

snip….

Mr Justice Burton said the government could still send the film to schools – if accompanied by guidance giving the other side of the arguments.

….snip

BBC Link

Obvious question: what opposing arguments would those be? This is on a scientific par with equal time for creationism.

I was talking to a friend today and she is leaning towards Clinton. so that’s the second person I know for her.

Amd her boss told her “I’m going to vote my wallet.”

mui @ 97

dakine01 @ 71

See me @ #4

I’ll see your 4 if you see my 72.

If you saw my 4 you would see that I’m already ahead of you.

A few months ago, Carter criticized Bush for something then immediately caved. Hopefully, this time he will stand strong.
Why aren’t more people (like McCain) speaking up?

CTuttle @ 96

Ann in AZ @ 78

Guess he figures he has way too many heavy questions to answer for, and from past experience, he doesn’t do a very good job of it.

I would love IG Fine to assign Fitz to pursue the criminal charges he was alluding to…!!! ;-)

Poor Abu, he’s been left alone way to long.

dakine01 @ 103

mui @ 97

I’ll see your 4 if you see my 72.

If you saw my 4 you would see that I’m already ahead of you.

How so?

Eureka Springs @ 33

Oklahoma kiddo @ 25

Does HRC have a solution?

Todays WAPO

In an interview aboard her campaign bus, Clinton (N.Y.) acknowledged that she has contributed to the divisive politics of the past decade but said she has learned from those experiences. She said that if she becomes president, she will attempt to assemble a broad, centrist coalition on such key issues as health care, energy independence and national security.

Broad centrist… New DLC meme

David Broder just had an orgasm. (shudder)

SanderO @ 100

OT

Do you pups think that some progressives who manage to get into government will actually hire on some progressive bloggers as policy advisors?

There are some kick ass brains in the progblogosphere.

Well John Edwards did make the attempt and it set off the noise machine in apopletic horror.

David Gregory alludes to the “Rudy people” on “Hardball”. Who are the ‘Rudy people’? The neocons perhaps?

BREAKING:

Bilderberg Group has chosen Hillary Clinton to be the next President of the United States.

mui @ 106

dakine01 @ 103

If you saw my 4 you would see that I’m already ahead of you.

How so?

You would see that I invited Jane when I posted the link to the contribution page.

Curious George shows up at Toys R Us full of lead paint.

Has anybody tested Incurious George for lead paint recently?

Would it surprise anyone to learn that HRC, Lieberman and Rudy get much of their campaign money from the same sources?

kirk murphy @ 84

Twain @ 36

By that time my stomach will be in a permanent knot. I really would like to have it next week.

Could we ask the people untying it to do a rush job?

A week sounds like a long time without a stomach, but maybe I’m just hasty…

Maybe I should eat lots of chocolate :)

“Chris Dodd is going to be hosting Air America…”

He can speak into an empty bottle and reach a similar number of listeners.

BTW
Has anyone seen Nadler’s speech about FISA on any broadcast news?

Ed*ard Teller @ 112

Curious George shows up at Toys R Us full of lead paint.

Has anybody tested Incurious George for lead paint recently?

I can tell you for nothing that there are two large concetrations of lead where his brain and his heart should be.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 113

Would it surprise anyone to learn that HRC, Lieberman and Rudy get much of their campaign money from the same sources?

No.

This has been another edition of “Simple Answers to Simple Questions.”

Ish @ 107

Eureka Springs @ 33

Todays WAPO

Broad centrist… New DLC meme

David Broder just had an orgasm. (shudder)

was he thinking about a centrist broad?

foulis @ 88

If I may go OT:

“An Inconvenient Truth” can be shown in UK schools but will have to include opposing arguments

snip….

Mr Justice Burton said the government could still send the film to schools – if accompanied by guidance giving the other side of the arguments.

….snip

BBC Link

So Burson-Marsteller will be casting A Convenient Lie?

They’ll have access:

Hillary Clinton …[snip]
perhaps the most important figure in the campaign is her pollster and chief strategist, Mark Penn…

Beyond his connections to the Clintons, he not only polls for America’s biggest companies but also runs one of the world’s premier PR agencies [Burson-Marsteller].”

And Hillary’s pals at B-M have the practice….

In 1993, for example, Burson-Marsteller led a $1.8 million campaign to defeat President Clinton’s proposed BTU tax on fossil fuels, the centerpiece of Clinton’s plan to combat global warming. Journalist David Helvarg described this campaign as follows in the December 1996 issue of The Nation: “Clinton committed the United States ‘to reducing our emissions of greenhouse gases to their 1990 levels by the year 2000.’ The Administration’s plan to accomplish this included a deficit-reducing energy tax and increased gasoline taxes of up to 25 cents a gallon. Then a computer-driven ‘grass roots’ letter and phone-in campaign orchestrated by the American Energy Alliance, along with an oil-funded push by PR giant Burson-Marsteller, helped undermine support for the energy tax. The Administration abandoned the tax in the Senate after House Democrats, braving the wrath of industry, had passed it. Relations between the White House and Congressional Democrats soured quickly after that. Congress also voted to keep the gas tax below 5 cents, guaranteeing that with the lowest fuel prices in the developed world, alternative energy sources would remain noncompetitive.”

Burson-Marsteller’s campaign against the BTU tax was also described in Time, which reported on June 21, 1993 that the National Association of Manufacturers (the original sponsor of the Global Climate Coalition) “got together with the American Petroleum Institute, 1,600 large companies, small businesses and farmers to form the American Energy Alliance (AEA), a group designed solely to defeat the BTU tax. The coalition paid more than $1 million to Burson-Marsteller, a public relations firm, to deploy nearly 45 staff members in 23 states during the past two months. [snip] They commissioned local economists to produce studies about potential job loss and then organized rallies and press conferences to publicize the results. They bombarded TV and radio stations with feeds from local business owners angry about the BTU tax. ‘It was unlike anything I’ve ever seen,’ said Brent Stanghelle, farm-news director of radio station KMON in Great Falls, Montana. ‘It was like spring planting–frantic, crazy. I couldn’t begin to take all the calls.’”

Campaigns and Elections magazine noted in May 1994 that the campaign against Clinton’s BTU proposal was run by a Burson-Marsteller division called the “Advocacy Communications Team,” headed by James E. McAvoy, a former aide to Dan Quayle and Bob Dole. Burson-Marsteller’s role in the campaign was also noted in the Legal Times (May 31, 1993), New York Times (June 14, 1993), Christian Science Monitor (June 15, 1993) and Political Finance and Lobby Reporter (June 25, 1993).

Ah, Hillary the centrist – centered on serving servicing the megacorps…

Everythingseemssoneat @ 110

BREAKING:

Bilderberg Group has chosen Hillary Clinton to be the next President of the United States.

707! Noooo……

Boston1775 @ 94
Wishing you well.

Bilderburg Group?

Some of the Western world’s leading financiers and foreign policy strategists attend Bilderberg. Donald Rumsfeld is an active Bilderberger, as is Peter Sutherland from Ireland, a former European Union commissioner and chairman of Goldman Sachs and of British Petroleum. Rumsfeld and Sutherland served together in 2000 on the board of the Swedish/Swiss engineering company ABB. Former U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary and former World Bank head Paul Wolfowitz is also a member, as is Roger Boothe, Jr. The group’s current chairman is Etienne Davignon, the Belgian businessman and politician.

Elliott @ 102

I was talking to a friend today and she is leaning towards Clinton. so that’s the second person I know for her.

Amd her boss told her “I’m going to vote my wallet.”

I think a lot of women will “pull the lever” for Hillary. Think of all of the abused wives and girl-friends of the mouth breathing, knuckle dragging Thugs. When they are in the voting booth..revenge.

I suppose we shouldn’t hold our breath for Christopher to talk about rolling back the draconian policies of the Bush Administration but instead to accept them and move on forward.

dakine01 @ 111

mui @ 106

How so?

You would see that I invited Jane when I posted the link to the contribution page.

OK sorry.

Ot: Washington Times:

Ordinary Americans are tracking down U.S. Web sites used by al Qaeda and jihadi sympathizers and then using the Internet to persuade the service providers to snuff out the sites.

“I do this because it has to be done,” says one blogger who calls himself a “counter-cyberjihadist” for his campaigns to post on the Web the Internet service providers (ISPs) that host the pro-jihad sites.

Elliott @ 116

BTW
Has anyone seen Nadler’s speech about FISA on any broadcast news?

No….

http://video.aol.com/video-det…..3313387443

newspaperbrat @ 22

Markinsanfran @ 16

Anyone here going to be at the Gore/Boxer fundraiser Thursday evening in SF? Would be nice to meet some of you :-)

Are tickets still available and how much they cost or better yet, a linky for information?

Here’s the info:

Please Join Us in Honoring Special Guest
Vice President Al Gore

For A Reception
To Suport the Re-Election of
U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer

Thursday, October 11, 2007
4:00-6:00 pm

Grand Ballroom
Westin St. Francis Hotel
335 Powell Street
San Francisco, California

Reserved Seats $250
General Admission $150
Seniors and Students $100

Tickets at: https://secure.ga6.org/08/oct11_algore

Bonnie Raitt and Jackson Browne will be singing there too!

1,623 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Sister Jane, please ask Senator Dodd why he isn’t a member of the Progressive Caucus. Wouldn’t Senate leadership look good with Kennedy, Feingold, Dodd and Durbin sharin’ the load instead of Reid the Republicrat in charge?

KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER, THAT’S THE FIRST STEP IN FIGHTIN’ BACK!!

Elliott @ 116

BTW
Has anyone seen Nadler’s speech about FISA on any broadcast news?

Lou Dobb’s ran a clip of it…!!!

I used to be a strong Edwards supporter, but since he has said that because I live in Michigan he doesn’t want my vote I am now for Dodd.

Go, Senator Dodd!

Steve-AR @ 125

Elliott @ 102

I was talking to a friend today and she is leaning towards Clinton. so that’s the second person I know for her.

Amd her boss told her “I’m going to vote my wallet.”

I think a lot of women will “pull the lever” for Hillary. Think of all of the abused wives and girl-friends of the mouth breathing, knuckle dragging Thugs. When they are in the voting booth..revenge.

gee, I don’t know if I can see that. I’d like to think they’d be voting with thought.

Unbelievable: Hardballs is spinning Romney’s gaffe last night, in which he said he would need to talk to his lawyers” before deciding whether to attack Iran – as being too weak!! Not whether it would be a wise decision, a legal decision, etc, just ‘you got any problem with bombing Iran without that gaddammed Congress getting in the middle of it’?

Ghouliani evidently won by saying hell yeah, just bomb the fuckers!

dakine01 @ 108

SanderO @ 100

OT

Do you pups think that some progressives who manage to get into government will actually hire on some progressive bloggers as policy advisors?

There are some kick ass brains in the progblogosphere.

Well John Edwards did make the attempt and it set off the noise machine in apopletic horror.

And she got all sorts of threats.

mui @ 122

Boston1775 @ 94
Wishing you well.

That was nice. Thanks.

jayt @ 134

Unbelievable: Hardballs is spinning Romney’s gaffe last night, in which he said he would need to talk to his lawyers” before deciding whether to attack Iran – as being too weak!! Not whether it would be a wise decision, a legal decision, etc, just ‘you got any problem with bombing Iran without that gaddammed Congress getting in the middle of it’?

Ghouliani evidently won by saying hell yeah, just bomb the fuckers!

the p*nis voters spoke…

CTuttle @ 131

Elliott @ 116

BTW
Has anyone seen Nadler’s speech about FISA on any broadcast news?

Lou Dobb’s ran a clip of it…!!!

yay!

and thanks for the link to it JJ

((((Boston1775))))

Boston1775 @ 136

mui @ 122

Boston1775 @ 94
Wishing you well.

That was nice. Thanks.

Anything we can do?

kirk murphy @ 139

((((Boston1775))))

A doctor is in the house.

Frank Probst @ 85

tw3k @ 75

now that really strikes me as funny.

link?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21…../newsweek/

From the link: The top concern for Gonzales, and now Terwilliger, is the expanding investigation by Glenn Fine, the Justice Department’s fiercely independent inspector general, according to three legal sources familiar with the matter who declined to speak publicly about ongoing investigations.

What the going opinion on Glenn Fine? Is he indeed ‘fiercely independent’ and all that good stuff? Is there going to be a comeuppance for Gonzo’s ***********?

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Oklahoma kiddo @ 58

Is there anyone here that can convince me that HRC is a Progressive?

Well, only 18 senators have a more progressive voting record than she does, according to Progressive Punch. According to their rating system, she is more progressive than Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold! You can look at the specific votes they used to calculate her ranking, and you might want to “weight” some of the issues differently.

Bob in HI

Some have suggested that Christopher is credulous regarding 9/11.

When someone says to me that they will not vote for Clinton because she’s a woman I dislike it. When someone tells me they will vote for HRC because she is a woman, I dislike it. Both views are sexist, I’m thinking.

Elliott @ 133

Steve-AR @ 125

I think a lot of women will “pull the lever” for Hillary. Think of all of the abused wives and girl-friends of the mouth breathing, knuckle dragging Thugs. When they are in the voting booth..revenge.

gee, I don’t know if I can see that. I’d like to think they’d be voting with thought.

A person living in the nightmare of the “Republican Base” and voting against it; IMO, quite thoughtful. This, however, is pure and wishful speculation.

Markinsanfran @ 129
I really rather that read

Please Join Us in Honoring Special Guest
Vice President Al Gore barbara boxer

For A Reception
To Suport the Re-Election of
U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer
of Vice President Al Gore

EvilDrPuma @ 101

Obvious question: what opposing arguments would those be? This is on a scientific par with equal time for creationism.

Sure does make one wonder where the Judge’s beliefs lie, don’t it? Sheesh, after I saw the movie I was all for putting the canoe on the roof to await the sea level rise and I’m 250m above sea level.

bobschacht @ 143

Oklahoma kiddo @ 58

Is there anyone here that can convince me that HRC is a Progressive?

Well, only 18 senators have a more progressive voting record than she does, according to Progressive Punch. According to their rating system, she is more progressive than Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold! You can look at the specific votes they used to calculate her ranking, and you might want to “weight” some of the issues differently.

Bob in HI

Do you consider Ms. Clinton a progressive on Iraq, Iran and the Palestinian-Israeli situation?

foulis @ 88

If I may go OT:

“An Inconvenient Truth” can be shown in UK schools but will have to include opposing arguments

snip….

Mr Justice Burton said the government could still send the film to schools – if accompanied by guidance giving the other side of the arguments.

….snip

BBC Link

I suppose the next decision from the British judge will be that Around the World in 80 Days may also shown in British schools as long as the Flat Earth Society can have equal time.

In a way this mindless twaddle should re-assure us that we have no monopoly on stupidity.

Steve-AR @ 146

Elliott @ 133

gee, I don’t know if I can see that. I’d like to think they’d be voting with thought.

A person living in the nightmare of the “Republican Base” and voting against it; IMO, quite thoughtful. This, however, is pure and wishful speculation.

I see what you meant now…

Oklahoma kiddo @ 149

bobschacht @ 143

Well, only 18 senators have a more progressive voting record than she does, according to Progressive Punch. According to their rating system, she is more progressive than Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold! You can look at the specific votes they used to calculate her ranking, and you might want to “weight” some of the issues differently.

Bob in HI

Do you consider Ms. Clinton a progressive on Iraq, Iran and the Palestinian-Israeli situation?

Like Kyl/Lieberman

You guys,

I’m fine to love my husband, fine to go to work. Fine to raise my son. Fine to love my father. Fine.

But somehow, I just am not fine in some bigger sense. Carol Anne Gotbaum died trying to get help.

My kids at school NEED more help.

I can help my father. I can support my lovable husband.

I am just wondering if I can keep the Big Picture. It’s getting beyond me.

That’s why I’m sad.

My immediate family will have the love.
My extended family… I want to keep trying; but something seemed to break inside of me when Carol Anne Gotbaum died at the airport, Andrew Meyers deserved the tarer and arrest, and the Frost’s became fair game.

I think I snapped.

I consider Gore to be the benchmark progressive on global warming. I do not think Clinton is in the same league with Gore on this issue.

Carter slams Cheney for avoiding military service. According to Matthews.

Boston1775 @ 153

You guys,

I’m fine to love my husband, fine to go to work. Fine to raise my son. Fine to love my father. Fine.

But somehow, I just am not fine in some bigger sense. Carol Anne Gotbaum died trying to get help.

My kids at school NEED more help.

I can help my father. I can support my lovable husband.

I am just wondering if I can keep the Big Picture. It’s getting beyond me.

That’s why I’m sad.

My immediate family will have the love.
My extended family… I want to keep trying; but something seemed to break inside of me when Carol Anne Gotbaum died at the airport, Andrew Meyers deserved the tarer and arrest, and the Frost’s became fair game.

I think I snapped.

(((((Boston1775!)))))

Howie is upstairs with a guest

Bagley @ 115

“Chris Dodd is going to be hosting Air America…”

He can speak into an empty bottle and reach a similar number of listeners.

Bagley, I don’t think I’ve seen you here before.

{{{{{BOSTON1775}}}}}

New thread upstairs with Tom Allen.

My defending Hillary is all Loo Hoo’s fault. She and Taylor Marsh are brain washing me.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 149

bobschacht @ 143

Well, only 18 senators have a more progressive voting record than she does, according to Progressive Punch. According to their rating system, she is more progressive than Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold! You can look at the specific votes they used to calculate her ranking, and you might want to “weight” some of the issues differently.

Bob in HI

Do you consider Ms. Clinton a progressive on Iraq, Iran and the Palestinian-Israeli situation?

No.

Just like, Pelosi scores really high on progressive issues– except impeachment.

Some votes are more important than others.
YMMV.

Bob in HI

Elliott, RonD, In the big sense, it’s always about the love. Thanks.

Bagley @ 115

“Chris Dodd is going to be hosting Air America…”

He can speak into an empty bottle and reach a similar number of listeners.

It’s not quite empty. I am in that “bottle”. Can’t speak for anyone else of course.

Elliott @ 155

Boston1775 @ 153

You guys,

I’m fine to love my husband, fine to go to work. Fine to raise my son. Fine to love my father. Fine.

But somehow, I just am not fine in some bigger sense. Carol Anne Gotbaum died trying to get help.

My kids at school NEED more help.

I can help my father. I can support my lovable husband.

I am just wondering if I can keep the Big Picture. It’s getting beyond me.

That’s why I’m sad.

My immediate family will have the love.
My extended family… I want to keep trying; but something seemed to break inside of me when Carol Anne Gotbaum died at the airport, Andrew Meyers deserved the tarer and arrest, and the Frost’s became fair game.

I think I snapped.

(((((Boston1775!)))))

The world is a sad place right now. In fact sometimes it seems downright evil. I remember an old civil rights worker saying that things were like that back in the 60s. But things can get better. There’s hope and there’s the people that need you/me/us. And yes at the risk of sounding cheesy, love.

kirk, You know what I’m talking about. Thanks for the reach.

I appreciate what you’re doing here. This Big Picture stuff isn’t easy.

Steve-AR @ 160

My defending Hillary is all Loo Hoo’s fault. She and Taylor Marsh are brain washing me.

lmao!

Steve-AR @ 160

My defending Hillary is all Loo Hoo’s fault. She and Taylor Marsh are brain washing me.

I do appreciate your clearing up the WAPO shenanigans but every sitting senator who does not demand to know the full truth and declares by inaction that this withholding of information by any president is acceptable, is unacceptable to me, to put it mildly.

mui said:

The world is a sad place right now. In fact sometimes it seems downright evil. I remember an old civil rights worker saying that things were like that back in the 60s. But things can get better. There’s hope and there’s the people that need you/me/us. And yes at the risk of sounding cheesy, love.

————————

You’re right about going back to the times of civil rights. You’re right about things getting better.

And you’re right about love. *tears* Good night.

Boston1775 @ 168

mui said:

The world is a sad place right now. In fact sometimes it seems downright evil. I remember an old civil rights worker saying that things were like that back in the 60s. But things can get better. There’s hope and there’s the people that need you/me/us. And yes at the risk of sounding cheesy, love.

————————

You’re right about going back to the times of civil rights. You’re right about things getting better.

And you’re right about love. *tears* Good night.

Good night. Rest well. And come back fighting.

Eureka Springs @ 167

Steve-AR @ 160

My defending Hillary is all Loo Hoo’s fault. She and Taylor Marsh are brain washing me.

I do appreciate your clearing up the WAPO shenanigans but every sitting senator who does not demand to know the full truth and declares by inaction that this withholding of information by any president is acceptable, is unacceptable to me, to put it mildly.

There is no way to get any truth until after 01/20/09. Gen. Clark says Hillary is going to prosecute these M-F’s; I hope he has inside info and he is right.

There is no way to get any truth

Perhaps the most disturbing point I have ever read here. *s

I could only bare about 40 seconds.

Boston1775 @ 94

Jane,

I have nothing for you.
Can I just connect with you for a minute?

I know you’ve reached the point where you wonder if you can just keep going. I’m at that point in a way. I will keep going. I have too many people depending on me. I simply cannot stop.

But I can stop doing anything on a larger scale.

I have real family members who need me. My father just lost his beloved wife, my loving loving stepmother, two weeks ago. My husband is far too old to be running a restaurant in the North End of Boston, but he does. My son was born with my husband’s ADHD gene and is home, rather then in the dorm, attending college. I can’t count the number of boys and a few fantastic girls that I work with who have needs that are considered special.

That’s a little of the personal.

I want to work on a bigger scale. Honestly this happened. As I was re-examining the kid who was tasered and arrested for being a journalism student, I stumbled onto my friend’s tragedy: his wife had the nerve to get upset at the airport when they would not let her fly at the times that they told her she could fly.

She’s dead.

This coincided with the 12 year old kid with special needs being grateful for insurance. The fact that Republicans feel that his family is fair game for the Rove Smear has put me over the edge.

I work hard for kids for a small amount of money and it is my pleasure. But I somehow have gone over some edge and I am reaching out to you in this writing forum.

Reach back.

If it makes any difference. I ended up in the emergency room of a wonderful hospital with all the tests for heart failure. Why?

The Red Sox won the World Series.

True story.

Dear Boston,

My heart goes out to you.

Wishing you a better day tomorrow to deal with all of these challenges! I wish I were there to help you!

Speaker Pelosi has taken impeachment off the table in and effort to work more closely with the President.

American energy needs and the rule of law.
Water and Oil…………
“The Business Plot” realized???

mui @ 147

Markinsanfran @ 129
I really rather that read

Please Join Us in Honoring Special Guest
Vice President Al Gore barbara boxer

For A Reception
To Suport the Re-Election of
U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer
of Vice President Al Gore

Or perhaps:

Please Join Us in Honoring Special Guest
Vice President Al Gore barbara boxer

For A Reception
To Suport the Re-Election of
U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer
of Vice President Al Gore

ccmask @ 127

Ot: Washington Times:

Ordinary Americans are tracking down U.S. Web sites used by al Qaeda and jihadi sympathizers and then using the Internet to persuade the service providers to snuff out the sites.

“I do this because it has to be done,” says one blogger who calls himself a “counter-cyberjihadist” for his campaigns to post on the Web the Internet service providers (ISPs) that host the pro-jihad sites.

From the article

A perfect storm of complaints forced several ISPs to shut down Web sites just days before al Qaeda released a tape of Osama bin Laden in August, says Aaron Weisburd, director of the Society for Internet Research and host of the Web site Haganah.us. He released a list of 19 pro-jihad Web sites, some of which were shut down in August.

The tactic was so effective that al Qaeda later said it was forced to disseminate the video directly to the networks, Mr. Weisburd said.

But as I recall this video was actually disseminated by the US Government after the independant intelligence group that obtained it passed it on PRIOR to release to several US Government Officials. That was with the promise that these officials wouldn’t release it publically, but only use it for investigative purposes.

The reason…early release would blow the cover of the informants who had obtained it and expose them, and their family, to torture and death.

Guess what, those Administration officials went right out and released it to the media (Fox)…not only lying about what they would do…but actually assisting al Qaeda in eliminating covert informants within the organization.

Maybe this guy should be spending his time trying to block Fox and the WH from such numbskull acts for politically craven reasons…of course, I bet he’s really uninterested in blocking the release of bin Laden tapes when it SERVES HIS PURPOSE!

I had to work today, and just caught up with this thread. I hope Jane asked Dodd about his important role, working with Tom Delay and Bob Ney, in destroying the transparency of American elections, with the fast-tracking of highly insecure and insider hackable electronic voting machines–all over the country–run on ‘TRADE SECRET,’ PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls.

In my opinion, this WAS the fascist coup. “Trade secret” vote counting isn’t the only thing wrong with our election system, but it is the final blow–the thing that makes reform impossible. Private Bushite corporations now have direct ‘TRADE SECRET’ control of the whole system, and can reverse any primary or general election outcome, wherever they need to, to keep overall control of Congress, and to (s)elect whoever they want to crown as emperor

That’s why I don’t believe a word that Christopher Dodd says on any subject. It’s easy to spout leftist-seeming positions, to draw votes away from a true leftist like Kucinich or from one of the other more genuine Dem candidates like Edwards, when you know that such policies have no chance of ever being enacted, cuz you personally saw to it that rightwing Bushite corporations would be ‘counting’ all the votes with ‘TRADE SECRET’ code.

Dodd is a tool of the global corporate predators who rule over us. He is a member of the secretive Bilderberg Group. Don’t be taken in by Dodd. With Hillary, at least you can see what she is. Not Dodd. He is a sneaky, lying bastard.