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		<title>By: kilowat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025826</link>
		<dc:creator>kilowat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;some good news on Mitch&lt;br /&gt;
McConnell Approval Rating Plummets to 45%, all-time low&lt;br /&gt;
by: MediaCzech&lt;br /&gt;
Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 18:17:58 PM EDT&lt;br /&gt;
A new SurveyUSA poll shows that Mitch McConnell’s approval ratings have plummeted 8 points over the last month to an all-time low of 45%.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And it won’t get any easier for Mitch, as MoveOn is backing this news up with a Huge ad buy right here in KY.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bluegrassroots.org/frontPage.do&quot;&gt;http://www.bluegrassroots.org/frontPage.do&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some good news on Mitch<br />
McConnell Approval Rating Plummets to 45%, all-time low<br />
by: MediaCzech<br />
Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 18:17:58 PM EDT<br />
A new SurveyUSA poll shows that Mitch McConnell’s approval ratings have plummeted 8 points over the last month to an all-time low of 45%.</p>
<p>And it won’t get any easier for Mitch, as MoveOn is backing this news up with a Huge ad buy right here in KY.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bluegrassroots.org/frontPage.do">http://www.bluegrassroots.org/frontPage.do</a></p>
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		<title>By: brantl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025418</link>
		<dc:creator>brantl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1024821&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 46&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1024818&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;BeBe @ 44&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is a carefully orchestrated attack a la swiftboaters, Max Cleland, Schiavo,etc. It is meant to be so horrific that you are shocked and cannot react quickly. This is Rovian and he uses his authoritarian thugs to do it. Ring the bell and they drool, snarl and charge just like a pack of hyenas. It is meant to terrify and horrify. It is carefully planned to make the next person think twice and not support things they oppose, or they will be savaged. This is from the fascist playbook. This clearly to end all descent on behalf of the their masters in the insurance corporations. It is all about money as always. Of course it is being orchestrated out of McConnell’s office and the White House. This is what they are paid to do.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorta supports my point. If you know this is coming why put your kid up there?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because we need to teach or kids young to stand up to these kinds of assholes, actually!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1024821"><em>raven @ 46</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1024818"><em>BeBe @ 44</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>This is a carefully orchestrated attack a la swiftboaters, Max Cleland, Schiavo,etc. It is meant to be so horrific that you are shocked and cannot react quickly. This is Rovian and he uses his authoritarian thugs to do it. Ring the bell and they drool, snarl and charge just like a pack of hyenas. It is meant to terrify and horrify. It is carefully planned to make the next person think twice and not support things they oppose, or they will be savaged. This is from the fascist playbook. This clearly to end all descent on behalf of the their masters in the insurance corporations. It is all about money as always. Of course it is being orchestrated out of McConnell’s office and the White House. This is what they are paid to do.</p>
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<p>Sorta supports my point. If you know this is coming why put your kid up there?</p>
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<p>Because we need to teach or kids young to stand up to these kinds of assholes, actually!</p>
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		<title>By: brantl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025411</link>
		<dc:creator>brantl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1024797&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 24&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1024792&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Doc @ 19&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What I was actually thinking is that this little boy stepped up for us when we asked his help to do the right thing, and that’s why we owe them.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I utterly reject the premise that we “set up” the family or “used” them.  That’s the kind of semantics that Republican vermin use to justify their thuggery (please understand I’m not being disrespectful to the commenters here who used those words.  I just don’t want us to buy into the concept).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you disagree that’s fine. You are telling me that this kid is the one who decided to “step up”? I don’t like it when adults are used to make political points and I damn sure don’t like it when kids are.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately all real arguments around real facts are anecdotal. Immediate, but still anecdotal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1024797"><em>raven @ 24</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1024792"><em>Doc @ 19</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What I was actually thinking is that this little boy stepped up for us when we asked his help to do the right thing, and that’s why we owe them.  </p>
<p>I utterly reject the premise that we “set up” the family or “used” them.  That’s the kind of semantics that Republican vermin use to justify their thuggery (please understand I’m not being disrespectful to the commenters here who used those words.  I just don’t want us to buy into the concept).</p>
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<p>If you disagree that’s fine. You are telling me that this kid is the one who decided to “step up”? I don’t like it when adults are used to make political points and I damn sure don’t like it when kids are.</p>
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<p>Unfortunately all real arguments around real facts are anecdotal. Immediate, but still anecdotal.</p>
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		<title>By: kilowat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025357</link>
		<dc:creator>kilowat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1024851&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;BlueStateRedHead @ 72&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1024831&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 55&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe we should nominate Jon Stewart?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Spotlight project will email MSM people by name. It’s easy to hit the button above under the main post next to the word comment. Although in the interest of full disclosure, I have had a lot of difficulty following the links.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There were also constructive proposal made on previous Frost post. Ok, in the interest of full disclosure, I made one.&lt;br /&gt;
But I am not comment pimping. The question there and here is:&lt;br /&gt;
Can we not organize our outrage somehow either in support of the Frosts or against McConnell’s aide?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;on ditchmitchky.com and actblue(http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/330) a donation site to help the dem’s defeat Mitch Mcconnell we are doing every thing we can to defeat this neocon, he has between $6to8 million in his campaign funds. how do you get that much from a poor state like ky ??&lt;br /&gt;
thanks a dem from ky&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1024851"><em>BlueStateRedHead @ 72</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1024831"><em>raven @ 55</em></a></p>
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<p>Maybe we should nominate Jon Stewart?</p>
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<p>The Spotlight project will email MSM people by name. It’s easy to hit the button above under the main post next to the word comment. Although in the interest of full disclosure, I have had a lot of difficulty following the links.</p>
<p>There were also constructive proposal made on previous Frost post. Ok, in the interest of full disclosure, I made one.<br />
But I am not comment pimping. The question there and here is:<br />
Can we not organize our outrage somehow either in support of the Frosts or against McConnell’s aide?</p>
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<p>on ditchmitchky.com and actblue(http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/330) a donation site to help the dem’s defeat Mitch Mcconnell we are doing every thing we can to defeat this neocon, he has between $6to8 million in his campaign funds. how do you get that much from a poor state like ky ??<br />
thanks a dem from ky</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025255</link>
		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I did not read all the comments posted here. but one stood out. Why have not the Dem leadership taken a more aggrassive role in this. I know we should not shift blame but when the Dem leadership ask a boy to speak ,they have to know there will be some whiplash from these halfwits. Being prepared is to much to ask from these jellyfish? Yes , I am mad as hell at McConnell and his office,for this diseased behavior ,however ourside should be denouncing these attacks as Cato would. When ending any speach or comment denounce the repugs over there latest outrage.&lt;br /&gt;
Over and Over,,,,,,&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not read all the comments posted here. but one stood out. Why have not the Dem leadership taken a more aggrassive role in this. I know we should not shift blame but when the Dem leadership ask a boy to speak ,they have to know there will be some whiplash from these halfwits. Being prepared is to much to ask from these jellyfish? Yes , I am mad as hell at McConnell and his office,for this diseased behavior ,however ourside should be denouncing these attacks as Cato would. When ending any speach or comment denounce the repugs over there latest outrage.<br />
Over and Over,,,,,,</p>
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		<title>By: Pursang</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025194</link>
		<dc:creator>Pursang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When I saw the Sun today with this story on the front page above the fold I was amazed. The only thing I wish they had added was how Malkin has published this families phone numbers and addresses as well as inciting her minions to harrass the family. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The one point that is lost by the right on this is that for the most part even if the family had a ton of money they would probably not be able to get coverage anyway. The children have pre-existing conditions and health insurers avoid taking on these people like the plague. This is one of the bright spots of SCHIP in that they don’t discrimate over pre-existing conditions (or at least it doesn’t appear to, if I’m incorrect I apologize). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, with this article perhaps we’re beginning to make inroads in the media. This article certainly didn’t paint a very pretty picture of the right now did it? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P.S. I’m in a hurry so if any words are misspelled or the grammar is off I apologize.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw the Sun today with this story on the front page above the fold I was amazed. The only thing I wish they had added was how Malkin has published this families phone numbers and addresses as well as inciting her minions to harrass the family. </p>
<p>The one point that is lost by the right on this is that for the most part even if the family had a ton of money they would probably not be able to get coverage anyway. The children have pre-existing conditions and health insurers avoid taking on these people like the plague. This is one of the bright spots of SCHIP in that they don’t discrimate over pre-existing conditions (or at least it doesn’t appear to, if I’m incorrect I apologize). </p>
<p>Anyway, with this article perhaps we’re beginning to make inroads in the media. This article certainly didn’t paint a very pretty picture of the right now did it? </p>
<p>P.S. I’m in a hurry so if any words are misspelled or the grammar is off I apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025134</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The REPUBLICANS would NEVER use children as props…unless they are named Elian Gonzalez, or were “PR Agency created” incubator babies to fire up support for a war against Iraq. Or “snowflake kids”.  Or kids hauled out when a Congressman is caught in a corruption or morals scandal. Or to use as symbols to imply that they really do support “Family Values”….meanwhile purging support for public education, Head Start programs, After School Activities programs, Anti-Smoking Efforts,  Environmental Standards (more toxins and lead allowed), etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But when the Democrats have a kid actually stating that S-CHIP support was the reason he and his sister was able to receive urgent medical attention for their brain damage..well that is “abusive”? While they go out and say the kids and the family are “fair game”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well in the predatory world of the Republican blogosphere anything is “fair” it seems. And like a bunch of hyenas even children are “game” to be ripped apart.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The REPUBLICANS would NEVER use children as props…unless they are named Elian Gonzalez, or were “PR Agency created” incubator babies to fire up support for a war against Iraq. Or “snowflake kids”.  Or kids hauled out when a Congressman is caught in a corruption or morals scandal. Or to use as symbols to imply that they really do support “Family Values”….meanwhile purging support for public education, Head Start programs, After School Activities programs, Anti-Smoking Efforts,  Environmental Standards (more toxins and lead allowed), etc.</p>
<p>But when the Democrats have a kid actually stating that S-CHIP support was the reason he and his sister was able to receive urgent medical attention for their brain damage..well that is “abusive”? While they go out and say the kids and the family are “fair game”.</p>
<p>Well in the predatory world of the Republican blogosphere anything is “fair” it seems. And like a bunch of hyenas even children are “game” to be ripped apart.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Bogs</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025110</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Bogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Republicants just don’t know how NOT to smear… Rove got it into their DNA… smearing a kid? shameless!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicants just don’t know how NOT to smear… Rove got it into their DNA… smearing a kid? shameless!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda G</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025103</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Daly Kos had an attorney who was looking into the private info on the family on the freepers website to see if something could be done legally.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stalkin Malkin has kids,&lt;br /&gt;
I wish her the very best,but sometimes Karma’s a b*tch&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[CHS notes:  not even funny to joke about.  No threats on this blog.  No kidding.]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daly Kos had an attorney who was looking into the private info on the family on the freepers website to see if something could be done legally.</p>
<p>Stalkin Malkin has kids,<br />
I wish her the very best,but sometimes Karma’s a b*tch</p>
<p><em>[CHS notes:  not even funny to joke about.  No threats on this blog.  No kidding.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/10/convenient-laundering/#comment-1025075</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1024870&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 91&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“It’s really frustrating,” said Bonnie Frost, 41, who stated she is upset by the angry Internet posts, e-mails and telephone calls targeting the family. “The whole point of it for me was that this program helped my family, and I wanted it to help others. That’s the message, and I can’t believe the way the spotlight has been taken off of that.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“It’s a distractive technique,” said Halsey Frost, also 41. Speaking from their cluttered front room yesterday, the Frosts said they would continue to advocate for government-funded health care.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;We need to click, call, e-mail for this family.  Many people find themselves in similar circumstances.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just look at that house apartment that they live in they are just so f—ing wealthy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s one reason that I really DON’T EXPECT the Freeper/Malkinites to go out and protest outside this families house. The pictures of their “stoop” on their tiny frontage rowhouse would be devastating to their argument. And some TV programmer would hunt down that $500K house (likely quite a ways up the road) and show the difference. And remember that they “bought” it 15 years ago at $50K. What sort of place could you get at $50K…it would have been derelict.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the family carries a mortgage to live there…they don’t own it outright. Most of the appraised value is higher now because a) Mr. Frost put loads of sweat equity into improving the interior of the property.; and b) his neighbors did the same in the rest of this working-class neighborhood.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1024870"><em>Kathleen @ 91</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>“It’s really frustrating,” said Bonnie Frost, 41, who stated she is upset by the angry Internet posts, e-mails and telephone calls targeting the family. “The whole point of it for me was that this program helped my family, and I wanted it to help others. That’s the message, and I can’t believe the way the spotlight has been taken off of that.”</p>
<p>“It’s a distractive technique,” said Halsey Frost, also 41. Speaking from their cluttered front room yesterday, the Frosts said they would continue to advocate for government-funded health care.<br />
—————————–</p>
<p>We need to click, call, e-mail for this family.  Many people find themselves in similar circumstances.  </p>
<p>Just look at that house apartment that they live in they are just so f—ing wealthy.</p>
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<p>That’s one reason that I really DON’T EXPECT the Freeper/Malkinites to go out and protest outside this families house. The pictures of their “stoop” on their tiny frontage rowhouse would be devastating to their argument. And some TV programmer would hunt down that $500K house (likely quite a ways up the road) and show the difference. And remember that they “bought” it 15 years ago at $50K. What sort of place could you get at $50K…it would have been derelict.</p>
<p>And the family carries a mortgage to live there…they don’t own it outright. Most of the appraised value is higher now because a) Mr. Frost put loads of sweat equity into improving the interior of the property.; and b) his neighbors did the same in the rest of this working-class neighborhood.</p>
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