The difference between the far right wing and the far left wing: the far right will do anything — anything — so long as the ends justifies the means. The far left folks have ethical boundaries that they try very hard not to cross: things like attacking other people’s minor children is bad form, let alone harassing a family that includes a child with severe brain damage from an auto accident. Those ethical lines? Non-existent for today’s wingnut wurlitzer:
Conservatives have more recently turned their targets on young Graeme Frost himself. A poster at the Free Republic propagated information alleging that Frost was actually a rich kid being pampered by the government. Among other bits of information, the post by the Freeper “icwhatudo” asserts that Graeme and his sister Gemma attend wealthy schools that cost “nearly $40,000 per year for tuition” and live in a well-off home.
The smear attack against Graeme has taken firm hold in the right-wing blogosphere. The National Review, Michelle Malkin, Wizbang, Powerline, and the Weekly Standard blog have all launched assaults on the Frost family….
Desperate to defend Bush’s decision to cut off millions of children from health care, the right wing has stooped to launching baseless and uninformed attacks against a 12 year old child and his family.
Right wing bloggers have been harassing the Frosts, calling their home numerous times to get information about their private lives. Compassionate conservatism indeed.
UPDATE: TP commenter Mr. Ed notes that Malkin visited the Frost’s home and business today. A coworker of Mr. Frost tells Malkin that the family is “struggling,” but she refuses to believe it.
Here’s a truth…honestly. If the folks who run Powerline or Michelle Malkin or any of these other folks had a child in danger and contacted me to ask about what they should do to contact authorities or protect their child, I would help them in a heartbeat. Hell, I’d probably try to save the kid from a speeding bus if my auto-immune-achy limbs could move fast enough. Because that is what compassionate people who care about childrens’ well-being do.
Compassionate people don’t attack kids who desperately need help — they help them. It is human instinct at its basest level — ask any good parent (who isn’t involved in an abuse and neglect case, since I’ve seen far too many of those in my lifetime to know that some parents don’t have this trait) about the ache they feel when their child cries out in the night. Hell, ask any person with a heart if they wouldn’t do whatever it took to help a child in need, and see you don’t get “yes, what can I do to help?” as your answer.
Why are all these high traffic wingnut blogs (and far right Fox News) attacking this 12 year old boy and his family? This may well be the lamest excuse I have ever heard in my life for attacking two children who were severely injured in a car accident and their parents who couldn’t afford health insurance for them. I mean honestly, this propaganda fishing expedition disguised as “questions” doesn’t pass the smell test, and Malkin and her cronies know it:
Asking questions and subjecting political anecdotes to scrutiny are what journalists should be doing.
First of all, you weren’t scrutinizing, you were harassing the family at their place of business and their home, and then you kept on harassing them and egged your readers to do the same. Your gin up a phony distraction from your bad press because ”the GOP doesn’t care about poor children“ conservative bloggers and pundits decided that the ends justifies the means in cleaning up after George Bush’s latest mess — even if it meant sacrificing the daily lives of a couple of injured children in the fray. Secondly, you weren’t even close to following the code of ethics that professional journalists require in this situation to “minimize harm,” so you can call yourself the ethically-challenged political hacks that you are and be done with it.
None of you political hatchet cronies give a rat’s ass about minimizing harm for these children, one of whom suffered a severe brain injury in the car accident and can’t possibly fight back against this crass, thoughtless tactic. And on top of that, you are liars. ThinkProgress has all the fetid details. (Warning for parents or people with ethics: this will piss you off.)
Here are the facts that the right-wing distorted in order to attack young Graeme:
1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their “lavish house” sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frost’s made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program
Compassionate conservatism and family values, my ass. Let me get this straight: this family has tried to better themselves at every turn, they love their children, they are getting these kids the best education possible through some amazing scholarships and intervention service help to try and help them improve and perhaps have some semblance of a childhood to progress as much as possible past their injuries, they are facing catastrophic medical bills, they want to save their kids — whatever it takes…and the right wing has a problem with that. Telling, isn’t it? As Digby says:
This is so loathesome I am literally sick to my stomach. These kids were hurt in a car accident. Their parents could not afford health insurance — and sure as hell couldn’t get it now with a severely handicapped daughter. And these shrieking wingnut jackasses are harassing their family for publicly supporting the program that allowed the kids to get health care. A program, by the way, which a large number of these Republicans support as well.
They went after Michael J. Fox. They went after a wounded Iraq war veteran. Now they are going after handicapped kids. There is obviously no limit to how low these people will go.
News flash: a whole lot of people in America can’t afford health insurance, and they don’t have the padded retirement accounts, the family money, the hubby’s 401(K) or wingnut welfare to draw upon when life hands them a child with severe brain damage and another child fighting his way back to health after an accident devastates the whole family. They don’t live in a cookie-cutter McMansion and they have to work their asses off for everything they have and then some rather than having it handed to them by the Scaife Foundation. It’s called hard work and the American dream and last I checked that was a very good thing for anyone willing to work for it.
The worst part of this in my mind: a number of the bloggers above attacking these kids are parents. I know this, because I’ve spoken with them on occasion and we’ve talked about kids and family and life, and outside their “bloggy” personas, they seem to care about their own kids. I would never, ever sanction anyone attacking these people’s kids — any more than I would allow it for my own — because it is just plain wrong. It’s too bad that other people’s children who deserve nothing less than the same decency and care — and compassion for what they have been through already in their young lives that these people would expect for their own children – are the targets of the day, isn’t it?
I’ll be waiting for that Howie Kurtz expose on fact-challenged right wing accusations of shame…but I’m not exactly holding my breath.
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Oh, its you, Christy!
Good morning Christy!
I cannot believe these thugs. Attacking sick children.
Which in Maryland is de facto poverty-level wages.
Of course, when right-wingers like El Rushbo are whining about the tribulations of their own income class, they themselves are poor and underpaid.
Malkin needs to be completely discredited ONCE AND FOR ALL…she is nothing more than a loon who fuels her nut-followers with racially charged diatribe just to get her ANY press.
The pic you have of her is the one that should be shown on EVERY program that features her and he latest horrible actions, people will look at it and see the real demented despicable and deranged lunatic that is the essence of Malkin…PHEW!
G’ morning, Redd,
I wish I was surprised by this, but it seems freepers are always ready to attack and distract. They can’t win on the strength of their ideas, so they must attack anyone who challenges their message. How revolting!
Keep up the calls on FISA, everyone. It looks like the Dems are caving again.
Work for peace, every day.
And Tony Snow quit because $160,000 wasn’t enough for his wife & children and I’m sure he got a great benefit package on top of that. IOKIYACC
egregious @ 3
I can, unfortunately.
It’s all about the win for them. It’s not about ethics or morals or ideology. It’s about simple tribalism. If you’re a member of their tribe, you can do no wrong, and everything you do is automatically OK. If you’re not, you can do no right, and everything you do is automatically wrong.
ccmask @ 7
Yup!
Morning all. How is everyone this morning?
njprogressive — don’t believe everything you read in the NYTimes. I’ll have some more on this later today.
I changed it to Compassionate conservative-IOKIYACC
njprogressive @ 6
Yupper!
This was posted in the comments of my Novak post last night:
My response was as follows:
njprogressive @ 6
will do. hope it’s not true, but the fact that the dems once again cut the aclu out of the process does not make me hopeful.
got several emails last week from the aclu asking us to call pelosi, reid and our reps every day with the message – do not cave.
PW at 4 — One of the things that pissed me off the most about this (among many, many things) is that the father is a carpenter who specializes in cabinet-making. It isn’t the sort of job that makes you rich, but the craftsmanship that goes into it is amazing. He apparently has taken his knowledge and built-in some amazing things into the run-down house they bought 15 freaking years ago, and turned it into a lovely home for his family. And somehow that gets turned into a BAD thing by these wingers.
Um, hello, personal initiative and hard work means you are evil? WTF?!?
Although I have no children, this situation has gotten my goat more than just about anything the thugs have done. We were talking about it on one of the threads yesterday morning and I *knew* this was the tack they would take.
Everything Digby and Christy said multiplied by more numbers than there are to be counted.
If anyone hears what, if anything, the msm has to say on the subject in the next few days, please include in a thread. Hope Keith will cut these *ssholes off at the knees tonight.
what’s wrong with them? here’s what’s wrong with them. the following is from an interview buzzflash had earlier this year with dr. justin frank, who wrote a book speculating on bush’s psychiatric profile. i don’t hold at all with armchair analysis about someone who is not your patient, but that doesn’t negate the telling insights the doctor offers on sociopathy and psychopathy — he says they are one and the same. he was speaking in the context of bush, but it applies to the entire crew that toils endlessly in the right-wing outrage industry.
“Justin A. Frank, M.D.: A sociopath is just what you said — a person who can be very charming, but psychologically is so massively defended against experiencing guilt that he cannot feel empathy. If you don’t feel guilt, you can’t empathize, because you never can feel concern about having hurt somebody else, or anybody else suffering. Guilt reins in destructive behavior. But if you don’t have any guilt, you don’t have to feel any anxiety or anything that will hold you back in terms of being destructive or being hurtful. And that leads you to being unable to feel empathy, because empathy actually threatens your safety.
“If you feel somebody else is in trouble, then you may feel you are obligated to do something about it. That’s something that is anathema to a psychopath, and it’s certainly anathema to Bush. So he is really incapable of feeling empathy. What he has figured out, with the help of his advisors, is to run as a “compassionate conservative” so he looks like a person who’s empathic. And his affability is what fooled a lot of people into making them feel that he really was connected to them, because he’s so charming. That is classic psychopathy.”
egregious @ 3
Why be surprised by the right wing? They are of the same mindset that put children in ovens.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 10
have you seen the bill? last i read, the aclu couldn’t even get a copy of working drafts.
Random question of the day:
Is it legal to tell a politician, ‘If you vote against wiretapping (or torture, or whatever atrocity), I’ll be so pleased that I’ll max out a donation to you!’
Is that okay, legally, or ‘bribery of a public official?’
selise at 18 — It’s my understanding that the ACLU has reviewed at least one working draft. I haven’t seen it yet, but I do know there has been strong, steady pushback from the progressive caucus in the House — which is a great development from where we were even a year ago.
Will have more detail on this later in the morning, if I can get time to pull everything together into something coherent.
As I was reading the post I was thinking the same thing you alluded to in your last sentence.
We seem to have all sorts of big-time, mainstream journalists who get very, very concerned when bloggers who don’t even claim to be doing journalism violate their idea of jornalistic ethics. The common thread in that concern seems to be when the bloggers in question criticize Bush and the republicans.
Now, we have this group of right-wing vermin (I have never met any of them, and frankly am not willing to concede anything good about them)claiming to do “journalism” by smearing this little boy and his family in some of the most reprehensible ways.
What do we hear from our so-ethical “journalistic’ leading lights? crickets
What do I expect to hear from those same ultra-ethical “professionals? crickets
If someone claiming to be from my profession wass acting in such a despicable way, I would be shouting from the rooftops. I guess the “profession” of journalism is just a little different.
selise @ 13
Glenn Greenwald looked at the House bill, which is much better than the Senate bill: http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
In any event, he says to keep up the pressure — and to let your legislators know that you’ll have no trouble running primary challengers against them if need be.
Franco @ 5
She will take care of that herself. No, wait, she already has. Several times – and she’s still around. Same with the Coulter.
I saw one comment at LGF on this yesterday, where, in the same short paragraph, a guy shamed the left for using this family’s children, then went on to say, how he was going to go to the home and picket it with others.
Doc asked “What do we hear from our so-ethical “journalistic’ leading lights?”
ans.= crickets?
Thank you for this post.
There are not many things as challenging as raising several young children, and supporting yourself financially, all at the same time.
To sick a goon squad on a family in this situation is absolutely unforgivable.
Morning Christy et al.
This whole thing just makes me ill. The Right Wing is just a group of people who are without a shred of morality or conscience that it is frankly astonishing. Anything or anyone who is seen as not supporting their line of “thinking” (if they can be gifted with that ability) must be crushed or slashed or destroyed.
This makes my head hurt.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 20
thanks so much for your work on this. if the aclu has been involved, i have much more hope. and i thought the demands of the progressive caucus last week were great.
Phoenix Woman @ 22
I can personally assure you that the threat of an unexpected primary challenge is getting the attention of several people in Congress. Keep it up.
bonkers at 25 — Yes, and when you are talking about a child who has suffered severe brain trauma — if ET is correct that they are planning on picketing the house, imagine the trauma for that child? I’ve worked with at risk kids who had to deal with brain injuries, and the cognitive and emotional integration problems that can arise with this sort of blunt force trauma and other injuries like this can be enormous. It’s bad enough to do it to a kid who is whole — but to do this to a child who is not equipped to process this sort of bile is unconscionable. Period.
You know,since the bastards at Free Republic posted the home and business addresses of this family,I’m rather tempted to take that information,craft a compassionate letter to the family and send them a donation. I might even be so bold as to offer to help the parents with holiday gifts,if that’s ok with them. Out of nothing more than kindness,what a novel idea.
one last quote from the interview with dr. frank. you could say it explains something about the msm punditry too (emphasis mine):
Justin A. Frank, M.D.: But even sociopaths have an unconscious. They have to do something with guilt and with conflict. They’ve wiped it out overtly, so what we are left with is a sociopath. Unconsciously, there is a tremendous amount of anxiety and fear, and fear of shame, and fear of humiliation, and a desperate need to maintain psychic integrity above all else. That’s why he also has no empathy — because he is desperately devoted, which I wrote at the end of my book and concluded with, to protecting himself more than anything else. That’s ultimately what a sociopath is.
Phoenix Woman @ 22
thank you! glenn’s post hadn’t come through my rss feed yet.
There’s a far left wing?
Oh, and beyond the outrage of attacking a family doing incredibly well by sick children, this is really instructive as an example of what the right does best.
It’s like Rove’s theory of attacking strength instead of weakness. John Kerry is a combat veteran with Silver Stars and Purple Hearts, who killed an enemy soldier in combat? Attack his military service!
This is a variation on the theme. This family who seems to embody not only what’s best about America on an almost mythic level–big family, fixer-upper house, scholarship kid–cannot be -allowed- to have those virtues. Those virtues belong to the right.
Stalking crippled kids? Remember, we are talking about Michelle Malkin here. Stalking crippled kids for Malkin, I suspect, is like raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens for the rest of us.
anangryoldbroad @ 30
Mornin’ anangryoldbroad. I had the same thought. How have you been lately?
RedShift at 33 — Apparently, we’re it. *g* At least according to the other side, anyway. Was trying to speak to this in their warped worldview mindset because I needed to lay this out in stark terms. I am that pissed and disgusted.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
Christy, according to Rush and Hannity, to the left of Lieberman is the “far left,” especially, for some reason, Hillary Clinton.
JF @ 36
I’m ok JF,thanks for asking. My son is struggling with school,so that’s kinda my focus these days. How are you?
Ed*ard Teller @ 23 –
completely OT, but wanted to make sure you knew that it looks like lieberman is going to be visiting your fair state for a senate homeland security committee “field” hearing (scroll down):
thursday, 9 am – Senate Homeland Security
Field hearing: The State and Federal Response to Storm Damage and Erosion in Alaska’s Coastal Villages (Anchorage, Alaska).
I agree this is reminiscent of Rove, but I don’t agree that it’s an example of attacking strength. That may have been a successful tactic for them before, but lately they’ve been getting their asses handed to them on too many occasions when they tried it, and they know it.
It’s a pure example of trying to suppress opposing opinions through absolute thuggery.
People like these right-wingers may have been born here and may have lived here all their lives, but they are no fellow countrymen of mine.
August @ 19
As long as he/she doesn’t solicit it, and you don’t personally benefit (financially) from the action, I think you’re safe.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 29
I think Digby summed it all up at the end of her post in a single word: “Scum.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 29
You can just hear them saying already, “Since they put their kid out there, he’s fair game!”
Freaking tools. How about the fact that the family and others like them don’t have deep-pocketed corporate lobbyists to protect SCHIP, so they did whatever they could to save the program for themselves and other families.
For freepers, it can’t be that. Everything is a political game for them. Disgusting people.
Angry — I think a note of support is one thing. But overt offers or checks or whathaveyou can sometimes be insulting when you don’t intend them to be (and I know that wouldn’t be your intent). I don’t know this family’s personal circumstances — or level of pride — enough to say whether something like that would be welcomed or not. But I tend to proceed with caution on something like that — mainly because I come from a long line of stiff-necked help others but we can handle ourselves just fine types.
anangryoldbroad @ 30
The family might very well prefer to be left alone. I strongly believe in a zone of privacy around people’s personal lives and homes and children. This works for everybody, left or right.
bonkers at 44 — Malkin did, in fact, say that on her website. I kid you not.
Well, what I mean by ‘attacking strength’ is also ‘attacking virtue.’ That’s just another way they do what you said: suppress opposition. And it’s another way they increase their own self-regard and their group’s cohesion, too.
The right has spent such tremendous effort villifying the left that they can’t entertain the idea that some Democrats are shining examples of everything they (claim to) hold dear. I’m sure there’s a better way of saying this, something about the pathologized ‘other’ and transference and that sorta psychological stuff that’s way beyond me.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 20
Here’s Glenn Greenwald on it.
Short version: Senate bill bad, House bill much better — and because it’s much better, Bush will veto it.
Call the Congresscritters and remind them that poll after poll shows that the American people want the Democrats to be MORE confrontational against Bush, not less. (And whisper the magic words “primary challengers” in their ears if need be.)
‘morning all… for these people, this is a sport…
coffee’s ready – hold out your cups…
Holy Shit! The inside ‘ugly’ blasts to the outside in that photo of MalKKKin. What a fucking monster!
August @ 19
Not everything is about the law.
This is ethically wrong.
It takes a very special kind of mind to claim that a full-grown man with general’s stars on his shoulders needs protection from criticism, but a 12-year-old boy and his youngr sister who have been injured severely in a car wreck are “fair game”.
Special in a clinical sense, that is.
Doc @ 53
good point
anangryoldbroad @ 39
Busy, but well, thanks.
IF Malkin and the “CREEPers” do picket, the people of the town should come out in defense of this brave family and run their racist arzes outta town…..
anangryoldbroad @ 30
I think that would be a wonderful idea.
I’m of a mind to find out the contact info for the local TV stations to let them know what thuggery is being practiced against a family that has already seen its share of pain.
OldCoastie @ 50
Thanks, OC! I dug up some cream and half-and-half for those who want it.
This is nothing new from the Malkin files of ethically challenged “journalism.” Remember when she posted the phone numbers of those war protesters at UC Santa Cruz(IIRC)?
Let’s also not forget her magnum opus of bovine scatology that actually DEFENDED the Japanese-American internment camps during WWII.
She’s a bile-spewing, vindictive, ethically challenged nitwit.
Redshift @ 42
Thanks. That’s what I thought, but got in a backblog argument about the appropriateness of saying something like, “Just vote to restore habeus, and I’ll send you $2300 tomorrow!”
Thunderbird at 59 — Oh, I am well aware of her particular brand of skeeze. The thing that was most appalling about this particular caper, however, is that these are minor children who were severely injured in a car accident. That’s taking things to a whole new level of assholery.
You know Malkin is “dumb as a doornail” I wouldn’t be surprised if Fox NOISE isn’t eggin’ all these wingnut LOSER on so they can make a new fake story to help out the boy king!
Oh, praise be. A cold front is moving into my area. Please let it bring rain…
You know, I truly don’t want that family to be subjected to any more harassment than they have already experienced, but the spectacle of a bunch of mouth-breathing thugs picketing the home of two injured children and their hard-working parents would probably help finish the job of utterly discrediting “family values” conservatism that was started with Terri Schiavo.
Phoenix Woman @ 57
I don’t know what really is the right thing to do,but someone needs to put the brakes on this madness before someone ends up getting hurt. This family has had enough to deal with. I thought about that HBO movie about Matthew Sheppard and how people with giant winged angel costumes showed up to drown out and screen out the Phelps people.
I need to hush,I’m having not-so-nice thoughts of proper Karma for people like this.
I don’t trust the media enough to do the right thing here though.
I hope KO will be all over this story about Malvolent Malkin….and her band of losers
OT — Scooter may be gone, but his old gang is still up to its old tricks . . . from today’s WaPo:
Career spooks everywhere will probably be spending the next couple of weeks trying to talk their sources into continuing to cooperate. Good grief!
CHS more signs of fascism. What is sacred to these folks? absolutely nothing. Not children, not seniors, not Iraqi lives, not peoples military service (Max Cleland, Kerry, McCain). CERTAINLY NOT THE TRUTH.
I agree that many on the left have very serious boundaries that they apply to those who fall on the left as well as on the right. I do not want to see Senator Feinstein lose her seat, but I do think there should be deep investigation into her conflict of interest serving on MILCON and her families war profiteering. If she were to lose her seat due to criminal war profiteering, so be it.
egregious @ 52
There we go! Thanks for the feedback–care to explain? Seems to me that as long as we think this is something the public official should already be doing–that is, something covered by her or his job duties, kinda–then this is all good. It’s not trying to undermine the system but support it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
*g* Yeah, I got that, I just couldn’t resist.
But yes, it’s really the difference between the far right and normal people.
This appalling action combines two of their worst traits. The first is the creationist-style “logic” that there are exactly two sides to this argument, and if they can find supposed weaknesses in the other side’s facts, that “proves” their side is right. The second is utter thuggery in pursuit of that “victory,” because they are already sure they’re right.
To all… Charlie Savage on c-spans Washington Journal at 9:30
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
I agree. There’s no level to which she won’t stoop to maintain her status as one of the top right-wing water carriers. Quite despicable.
Phoenix Woman @ 57
SPOTLIGHT!
Very busy day at the birdfeeder this morning. House finches, nuthatches, sparrows, and chickadees. And a very aggressive bluejay that our inside kitty finds particularly tasty looking — and who could kick our kitty’s behind if she ever figured out how to open the window on her own. *g*
Nothing that Michelle Malkin or the collection of loathsome tools that is ‘Powerline’ does, could ever surprise me.
Elliott and PW — Now THAT is a great idea. Spotlighting this to local news in the Baltimore area could potentially slow down the attacks on the family, and that would be a wonderful development. They are dealing with enough as it is.
selise @ 40
Senators Stevens and Landrieu will be there, HoJo won’t. I mean, does he EVER show up for a siginificant hearing of the Homeland Security Committee?
This is an important hearing, regarding the difficulties of many coastal villages in Alaska dealing with the effects of climate change. Hundreds of Alaska villages lie just a few feet above sea level. Hundreds of millions of dollars have gone into pure fresh water systems in some of these communities. But the systems are being trashed by the rising seas faster than they can be built. The levels of denial in agencies like the Corps of Engineers have only grown during the Bush administration, as professionals who didn’t toe the anti-scientific line of the Bushistas have fled the Corps in record numbers.
Diane Benson will be there, but not for a photo op with Landrieu. She has some questions about some of the proposed projects for the Yukon Delta.
August @ 69
I believe that offering money to a politician for the purpose of influencing his vote is immoral, whether done by our side or the other side.
Provide support to the candidates who are voting the way you like, but don’t link specific votes to specific contributions.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 63
21 degrees F here, Redd…
Sorry to be OT with a hit and run Christy but it looks like the FISA reauth is really heating up and it is our rights not NSA’s authority that will get burned. If any one has a set of talking/writing points on the current proposals that would be interesting to see as fodder for calls and letters.
Thanks for a great post btw!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
Another avenue might be a donation to the school or the scholarship that allows their son to attend (not earmarked to this family specifically, but in honor of their support of them.)
“And these shrieking wingnut jackasses are harassing their family for publicly supporting the program that allowed the kids to get health care. A program, by the way, which a large number of these Republicans support as well.”
This sure describes Malkin’s picture above. “shrieking wingnut jackass”
Telling when Republican’s are willing to spend time attacking children, American soldiers serving in Iraq, handicapped soldiers who served, and B=jobs instead of Intelligence Snowjobs. Headed to hell on a fast track and they seem committed to taking the whole country with them.
Redshift,I like that idea even better. Bravo!
Contact info for news departments of local Baltimore TV stations:
WMAR-TV (ABC affiliate) –
Omari.Hughes@wmar.com (Omari Hughes, WMAR-TV’s New Media Director)
publicaffairs@wmar.com (Maria Mager, Public Affairs director)
News tip line: 410-435-TIPS (8477)
WBAL-TV (NBC affiliate) –
http://www.wbaltv.com/station/index.html
Elliott @ 73
Here’s the link for spotlighting this article.
These are the “shrieking jackasses” who support children until they are born.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 76
And it’s so easy to limit the list by region!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 74
Getting ready for the cold front? :)
Thank you for that. I find this issue very distressing. I live in Canada and I was thinking about differences — we have such misanthropic, sadistic people here of course, but their views are mostly only known to their families (though we did produce David Frum whom we exported). In the USA the sick misanthropes blog away, have a readership, run big ‘christian’ organizations, own television networks, and now operate something like Blackwater. The best thing that can be done I think is to bring it out in the open and call it what it is.
egregious @ 85
Who do we contact on that list?
Ed*ard Teller @ 77
Will you be able to go to the hearing, ET?
Hi everyone
I find this the worst thing the right has done but I find myself blaming the Democrats who put Graeme on the radio. Surely they knew what would happen if they subjected them to national scrutiny.
And where are they now? Has there been a national out cry and anger from our leaders?
What will they do to protect the family as it could get worse and very ugly?
Before I had the details of what the wingnuts were screaming about this time, I went to Malkins sight. Reading the particulars, filtered through their site, I felt even stronger that this is a really good program.
They can’t even lie it ugly.
Ed*ard Teller @ 77 –
should have known that you’d be on top of it. *g*
just thought of you on sunday as i was putting the hearing list together.
Kathleen @ 71
Super! Tks for the heads-up; any idea of topic?
Good morning from L.A. Despicable conduct from those who keep establishing new lows in their frenzy to discredit support for SCHIP. It also serves as a warning shot across the bow for any who want to bring their kids forward to fight Bush’s veto- here’s the harrassment & subsequent ripping you’ll face from us…
Reading upthread I note Peterr’s already on this 2nd morning outrage- BushCo strives to “keep us safe from AQ,” only not so much. Via TPM:
White House Destroys Terror Lead w/Press Leak
egregious @ 78
And while it may not be illegal, I would tend to agree that it constitutes what Hendrick Hertzberg called the “outside-the-Beltway mentality” — failing to understand the actual pressures and incentives on politicians. While there are some politicians who bend their votes for contributors who help raise a lot of money, even they wouldn’t try to tote up all the potential contributions from individuals and guess which vote would get them more. And most of them are less corrupt than that, if at all. So the fact is that saying “I’ll contribute to your campaign” doesn’t really convey anything more to them than “I feel really strongly about this,” and it demeans you. (Plus it tells them that you think they’re for sale to the highest bidder, which even if it’s true for your particular rep, isn’t likely to be persuasive.)
snowbird42 @ 92
Snowbird, almost nobody expects this sort of vileness. We do, because we’ve been studying Malkin and her fellow travelers. But most people don’t.
Besides, if we stay silent and hide, then Malkin wins. She’s succeeded in cowing us. And that’s not good, either.
But yes, if the Democrats wanted a perfect reason to tee off on the Republicans today, this is it.
all true, but when do we collectively do something about it other than pointing it out?
Stop the BS. Lefties aren’t any different from the Right wingers about helping those in need. Christy’s woulda, coulda, outghta’s to the contrary. Left wingers KNOW what the right thing to do is, but they don’t – and WON’T – do it, either.
Shaddup, already. Everyone is a hypocrite.
Elliott @ 91
I teach a class at UAA at that same time, and I’ve invited a Liszt expert in to play for the students, so I’m not even going to look for a sub. More than enough happening up here this week to keep me busy. On Friday, I may be co-hosting two hours of talk radio at Anchorage’s progressive AM station, KUDO. The subject will be “The growth of live courtroom blogging during 2007.” If the deal comes through – I’ll know by tomorrow – I may be asking our esteemed hotess to accept a call on the Libby trial.
What brought this on is that I’m going to be live blogging the upcoming GOP corruption trial of former state Representative Vic Kohring. I’m going to live blog that trial, starting on the 22nd, with an old friend who believes that Vic is totally innocent and has been framed. This may be the first live blog of a trial by two bloggers with diametrically opposed views of the trial…
why isn’t this sort of harrassment criminally actionable under anti-stalker laws?
N=1 @ 99
Aren’t you the ray of sunshine this morning?
Ed*ard Teller @ 79
I read the other day that you were trying to get everything in from the garden before the freeze. Hope you were able to do so.
Marie Roget @ 96
Oh, yes. This is grimly reminiscent of what J. Edgar Hoover used to do during the early days of the FBI. Instead of using discovered Nazi spies as conduits for misinformation, he’d have splashy, publicity-hogging arrests that alerted the other members of the spy network to go to ground. His asininity is why the Brits pretty much forced FDR to create the OSS (later the CIA), as they flatly refused to deal with Hoover.
Marie Roget @ 96
I think that’s the crux of it – scare people from speaking up… kinda like a hate crime, don’t you suppose?
michael @ 99
Pointing it out is often all we need do, Michael. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Hence my call to let the local Baltimore TV stations know about this.
Let me see if I can’t put things in perspective a bit. Just as we must try to understand the culture of terrorism to better fight it, we must try to understand the culture of current-day Republicanism, and I’m not sure they’re all that different.
The formula is rather simple, actually. If it is a Democratic transgression or proposal, multiply the horror by a factor of at least 10 squared. If it is a Republican transgression or proposal, diminish the horror by a factor of at least 10 squared. This allows you to clearly see how Democrats want to destroy America and Republicans are the real compassionate, moral, and family values folk.
So, if a Democrat, say, has 90 grand stashed in his freezer, if you do the Republican math, that amounts to a bribery case of Biblical proportions, a scandal so huge that, despite the war in Iraq, the press must be pilloried for not having it on the front pages every day until it is resolved and even then for years afterward.
But if a Republican lobbyist bilks Indian tribes out of billions, doing the Republican math, you are left with a nothing story, and the only interesting and scandalous facet is that Harry Reid took money from said Lobbyist too and did so only because Matt Drudge says he did.
Similarly, the worry that a few middle class children might get health care paid for by the state, needlessly costing the state a few hundred thousand or million dollars is a horrific thought, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE REPUB MATH PERSPECTIVE.
But a war that was predicted to cost at most $50 billion but is now predicted to cost $1 trillion – including paying families of Blackwater rampages $75K – is, of course, a great deal and worthwile expenditure, money well spent. Those unintended consequences, like increased terrorism, destroyed national reputation and credibility, etc., are just that: UNINTENDED, and that make them okay and therefore can be ignored, so they don’t count.
See?
Waccamaw @ 95
At the journal it says “Takeover” not sure whether that is an article or book. Will look?
Forgive the OT Breaking News Headline at CNN Private Security firm kills 2 women in Iraq. Not known which firm at this point.
Ed*ard Teller @ 100
Wow! you’re busy to say the least! Interesting about the talk show, hope said hostess accepts invite *g*
Love the dueling live blogs (do I hear banjos?)
I think all of you that want to help this family should with your checkbooks. But keep your hands off the rest of our checkbooks with your bogus cigarette taxes that only hurt the people you claim to want to help or general taxes that confiscate what’s ours from what’s yours. You want to help? Have at it. Don’t LOOT from the rest of us.
Alice @ 101
That’s a good question. What’s the Federal law like on this?
Ed*ard Teller @ 23
The one saving grace is that most of these clowns talk big but can’t organize a popsicle stand in the real world. But if we have any pups in Baltimore who could swing by later in the day and see if anything has materialized, it might be worth asking the cops to explain to them the concepts of harassment and intimidation.
dakine01 @ 110
“…Although the name of the security firm was not yet released *cough* *cough* blackwater *cough*, one of the ministry officials described it as a “western private security company.” The incident comes during a period of intense scrutiny…”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 74
The visitors at my feeder sometimes poop on my rethuglican neighbors fence. They’ve even resorted to having their five yr. old tell me that she was having nightmares about red birds (cardinal). To coach a child in such behavior and to so hate nature fits the mold perfectly.
Just bought a new 20 lb. bag of seed.
Waccamaw @ 95
His book: “Takeover: the Making of an Imperial Presidency”
Wow! Did my first Spotlighting. Thanks, Elliott!
Phoenix Woman @ 118
Woo Hoo! You go girl!
Forty-thousand-dollar-a-year school is the dog whistle. But they lied. Its a $15,000 a year school that they pay $500 for. Wingnuts are nailed on the facts of this case. We need reps on our side to state the facts on teevee and ask rhetorically – why must they lie so? to get people to turn against sick children?
Phoenix Woman @ 112
some states have anti-stalker laws
also, this seems like a violation of their civil rights, possibly conspiracy charges could lie as certain websites are actively inciting harrassment.
But since I know zero about criminal law I can’t really say.
Hey, this wouldn’t be the same “Michelle Malkin,” would it, the one who posted personal information about UC Santa Cruz students on her web site, which somehow managed to inspire her fans to call them and say all kinds of pleasant things, and then, when some of her personal info was posted in return, claimed she had to *move* to avoid being harassed, which by the way was horribly mean and wrong and unfair and over the line by her liberal enemies (though it’s unclear any of it was substantiated as a cause of her relocation).
Oh, and Howard Kurtz thinks she’s wonderful.
The wingnuts have also begun spinning a Gore Nobel Peace Prize win by, predictably, diminishing the prize by noting that, among others, Arafat had won the prize.
So, the America lovers and patriots who have so much respect for the presidency are likening a US vice predent and his work on global warming to a terrorist.
Par for the course with these nutcases.
All they do is demean and diminish anything respectable in this world. Bunch of miserable outcasts.
Gore may not win. So far it is just talk.
Just asked Charlie Savage “can Bush use “signing statements” to pre-emptively attack Iran?
This occurred to me as I was getting ready for work:
Why aren’t our Congressional leaders calling for George W. Bush and the Republicans who voted against SCHIP to publicly repudiate the actions of their followers here?
If that is coming too close to exploiting the family for Democratic gain, I apologize, but the Repugs would have been all over it from the start of the news cycle if the situation was somehow reversed.
Personally, I cannot imagine a clearer and more appropriate case for an expression of official outrage on the part of Democratic leaders. I think they kind of owe the Frost family something.
Kathleen @ 125
Do you mean you just now called in?
I was at a friend’s house the other evening. They subscribe to “Family Circle.” We sometimes buy a Holiday edition for new cookie recipes, but subscribe? Hah!
Anyway, the magazine is one pill ad after another after another after another. So is a lot of TV. So, these folks are going to break the S-CHIP narrative and provoke their revenue stream? Not a chance, pups.
Alice @ 123
we’ll find out on the 12th!
dakine01 @ 110
If, as the article claims, “the two victims were Christians” that will make all the difference in the world. s/
A few of the thugs might actually get their knickers in a twist about that. And note the use of the term “victims”; there’s the reich wing framing right smack in your face. Christians = good; brown skin people = never “victims”. :-(
“Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.
“Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
“And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”
“They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”
“The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.
“Both very busy, sir.”
Of course Malkin and her ilk are reprehensible, and barely recognizable as human. But this is SOP for the wingnuts, it is intimidation, pure and simple. They will attack anyone, anytime, anywhere to further their twisted agenda. Each time they do, someone, somewhere decides it’s just not worth sacrificing themselves or their family to stand up and be counted. It is insidious, and has been going on for a long time. As someone said earlier, sunlight is an excellent disinfectant. I am dissapointed, but not really surprised, that the dems didn’t think that this was going to happen, and even more dissapointed that thus far, the silence regarding this attack from the leadership has been deafening.
Just sent FDL & TP links on the Frost family harrassment to local Baltimore network affiliates. This crap needs to be made public where the family lives & works. Now faxing it to the Baltimore Sun.
Anybody see John Dean on Tavis Smiley? Damn is Dean good! Tavis asked if people are aware of what’s going on with the loss of rights, wiretapping, concentration of power to the executive, packing the courts with conservatives, etc.
Dean said NO. They are not aware. That is the problem. I am trying to make them aware with my books.
Redshift @ 97
Well, but that’s exactly what it’s -meant- to convey. Not the demeaning part, the strong-feeling part. If I tell a public official that I feel really strongly about wiretapping, really, really-really, then that conveys a certain strength of feeling. If I go to a rally or hold a sign, that’s another level. And if I put a few thousand dollars on the line, that’s another tool for conveying the strength of my feeling.
Anyway, isn’t this precisely what single-issue groups do? If you vote our way, we give you money. If you don’t, we don’t.
I dunno. Maybe I’m just wrong about this. But I don’t see how this is any different from saying something like, “Richardson will remove all residual troops from Iraq. If you approve, send him some money.” And that seems more than fair.
Certainly, I’d not think twice about someone or some organization saying, “We’ll donate the max to the PAC of any politician who supports gay marriage, or votes to cut off funding of the Iraq occupation, or whatever.”
Guess we can say now and forever: she’s Michelle “Drive-By” Stalkin.
madmommy — Considering Congress goes back into session after the Columbus Day recess today — and this all flared up in the last day or so — I wouldn’t exactly call it “deafening.” Slow to react, yes — but it’s early today. Which is why I pushed this issue out first thing this morning for awareness purposes.
Anyone who wants to call their member of Congress about this — especially those of you in the Baltimore area — please feel free. It is appalling and outrageous and beyond the pale, but these skeezeballs try to operate under the media radar level, which is why exposing their disgusting tactics is so important. Beltway folks don’t hear about this much because (a) they are not covered by the Beltway media and (b) members of Congress and power brokers, on the whole, aren’t daily blog readers for the most part, althoug their staffers are increasingly paying attention. Which is where pushing tis information out is so important.
Chris @ 121
Why, yes, yes it would be.
In fact, I believe that’s the incident that caused TRex to coin the term “reverse Malkin”, in which a wingnut commits a boo-boo and/or baits someone else into committing said boo-boo, then throws on the hair-shirt mantle of victimhood when the inevitable (and wished for by wingnuts) blowback occurs.
New thread upstairs
Christy,
Thank you for calling it like it is…
It’s funny. When I talk with my pro-life, far-right friends about abortion, I challenge them to stop throwing money at politics to address their view on the issue and to “walk their talk”. I suggest they save their political dollars and put them towards bringing a single pregnant mom into their home and help her raise her child. I suggest adoption. The idea of working on systemic concerns in society rather than fighting society through politics is not a consideration. Then I get told I am crazy to think actions speak louder than political dollars. Their response is like a rabid dog…
So too, Malkin, must attack instead of being a journalist who looks at the potential of the legislation and ask the right questions and seek truthful answers. No, she selects political “attack mode”.
It’s tragic, when the truth is clear and a group opposes the truth of the matter, how destructive their behavior becomes. So, once again, the message from the right is that we are a weak society to be caring and compassionate for children needing health care. Amazing.
When on Earth will Congress “get it” that we have no leadership right now and to “Carpe Diem?” The Dems better lead on this and do it with class. It will be a turning point piece of legislation for our nation. The Dems should, in a matter of fact fashion, be all over these facts about Greame, his sister and family. The Dems better lobby this bill and get the needed bipartisan support to overide.
Doc @ 53
Such a good point…laser beam focus
Well, with child molestation being the ‘in’ thing among republican types, I guess it is just more of the same that the entire wingnuttery would find it acceptable to molest a 12 year old and his family.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 137
I see your point Christy, but recess or no, if the situation were reversed, does anyone really think that the GOP leadership wouldn’t be falling all over themselves to condemn this sort of thing within hours of it occuring? I am willing to see what shakes out today, but I am feeling pretty cynical about the dem leadership stepping up about anything. I sincerely hope that I am wrong.
Kudos to you for spotlighting this first thing in the am!
More Christy at the new thread.
Rank Incompetence
Danbury @ 122
Maybe they’ll start awarding their own Peace Prize, with all the success of Conservapedia. *g*
(Of course, nominees would have to be restricted to people who achieved “peace through superior firepower…”)
I can’t understand why any one in their right mind would make phone calls to a family with two young kids with health problems. Michelle Malkin posting the UC students numbers was bad enough.Well I wonder if this will travel as “facts” to Faux Noise since O’Falafel has no problems having Malkin on his show.
It just goes to show a right-wing swiftboating is a right-wing swiftboating, whether it’s being done to Murtha, moveon, Cindy Sheehan, or any congress crittter.
Anything we can do for the family?
madmommy @ 143
MM, that’s because the Republicans are in bed with the national press. It’s always much easier for them to get their message out because they’ve trained the corporate media to do so over the past few decades, even well before FOX Noise. (See the excellent book On Bended Knee: The Press and the Reagan Presidency to see what it was like twenty-plus years ago.)
That’s why we’re here: Because the national media isn’t, generally.
I think it’s a FABULOUS idea to rollback public services, including publicly funded health insurance (i.e. payments) to 19th century levels!
Public health? What’s that?
3/4 of Europe was wiped out by the plague, caused and exaserbated by a widespread lack of sanitation and public healthcare. Fortunately, many callous, greedy aristocrats were swept within its ambit. Apparently, deadly infectuous diseases don’t give a shit about what’s in your bank account or portfolio.
Perhaps it will take a health care crisis of similar propportion to remind people why we build neighborhoods, towns, villages, cities, states and yes, why we formed this nation: For the common good and to further the general welfare.
Anyone who really wants to live by the law of the jungle (i.e. every person for themself) can: Go live in a fucking jungle
But to tell people in this great nation “you’re on your own” is not only a travesty of genuine Christian values, but it sets on its head, the very purpose for which people form communities and engage in mutual cooperation.
Reagan’s legacy of “hooray for me and screw you” will invariably backfire on those who continue to seek fruitlessly, moral justification in greed and self-absorption. Eventually, these folks are bound to find their grandchildren hanging from lamposts on the disease-ridden streets of the third world toilet formerly known as the USA.
Then maybe…..?
Kathleen @ 141
Ditto. Resolution time?
speaking of kids. Email from Delauro (D-CT)
October 9, 2007
What would happen to the demagogues of the right punditry such as Michelle Malkin IF we ignored nor commented on their hysteric manic fear-spewed hatred? They’d become, fruitless, futile, groundless, hollow, insignificant, otiose, pointless, rambling, superficial, trivial, unavailing, unnecessary, unsuccessful, useless, vain, worthless Irrelevant. Why engage in their farce by providing discourse? They are not worthy and do not provide solutions. Their goal is to sidetrack and prevent progress.
Followed Frost story in horror on D-Kos last nite. No time here at work to read all the comments but can someone tell me if there is a solution in all this, for ex. if MD. stalking laws make Malkin’s visit a case of stalking.
She is dangerous. DKos has a story of her posting the names and numbers of student anti-war organizers who received death threats and when asked to stop, she did it again.
Please. someone help us turn our energy and outrage into help for the Frosts.
Stopping the woman (if you can describe Malkin as that human gender) will be a seondary benefit.
Christy, their reaction might be a good thing for us. It looks like there really are no limits to their behavior and they are becoming parodies of themselves. They’re starting to jump the shark now.
The more of these incidents there are, phony soldiers, attacking the Frosts, cutting off SCHIP, the crazier they are going to look to the public. In fact, we should encourage this kind of behavior. It’s so weirdly unAmerican that it can’t help but call attention to itself. Keep it up, guys!
I wouldn’t piss in Michelle Malkin’s ear if her brains were on fire.
This is beyond loathsome, it’s downright sociopathic. They can’t argue SCHIP on its merits, so they attack the messenger, in this case a family devastated by events beyond their control.
Yeah, I want to spit on Malkin too.
Golden oldie – Chris Matthews peeling back a scum layer on a putrid scab:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoM90bAsr1M
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David Ehrenstein @ 154
I LOVE THAT!!! If she only had brains that would be on fire…
August @ 135
Well, the Richardson case is the reverse of what you’re talking about — they’re saying “we have this position you support, so you should want us to win and therefore donate to us,” not “I’ll donate to you if you take this position I like.”
And honestly, I can’t recall an organization making a donation statement like your “we’ll donate to their PAC.” Instead, they make clear what issues and bills they care about, and convey to the politicians how many members they have and how much influence over how those members vote and donate, because that’s that’s the real goal for politicians, not “here’s a check.”
The point is not just the difference between one person’s influence and an organization with a lot of people, it’s also that you’re not giving them a check, you’re saying you’re going to give them a check, which is what makes it little different than saying you care a lot about the issue. If you do give a max donation, and have the potential to do so again in the future, then yes, you can probably get more attention to your opinion. But if you just say you’re going to do it, and other people do the same on the other side of the issue, they have no practical way of counting that as anything different than a purely opinion phone call.
Serious typhoons in E. Asia this weekend. Transpacific relations sometimes make the heart feel like its hitting the throat.
twolf1 @ 115
Navy veteran questions why six nuclear missiles were flown on combat aircraft to staging area for Middle East
John Byrne
Published: Monday October 8, 2007
A retired lieutenant commander in the Navy Reserve who served with the Navy’s Supervisor of Salvage questioned in a little-noticed editorial Sunday why six active nuclear armed cruise missiles were being transferred to an active bomber base that “just happens to be the staging area for Middle Eastern operations.”
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Jesus, Mary ,Joseph, God, Gandhi, Mother Theresa, Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah HELP US.
Protect the Iranian people from the Bush administration…we are trying.
Here’s a more detailed article on the extent of the Frost kids’ injuries.
Even if the parents had had insurance, it would have been a lot for them to handle. It is amazing what these children have been through. They lost their personalities and are struggling to get them back.
The heartlessness of the wingers defies description. It goes beyond what is socially acceptable. But I think they overreached with the Frosts. Big Time.
portia at 161 — Yes, and imagine then trying to get insurance coverage for your family with that set of pre-existing conditions with your kids…
RockPaperScizzors @ 151
Were you conscious in the 1990’s? It’s not our attention that feeds them. Hey, they’re threatening and intimidating anyone who speaks up against their authoritarian leaders, but so what? They’ve got their own cable network, a series of publications funded by right-wing billionaires, and undue influence in the rest of the media from years of bullying with no pushback from people like us, but I’m sure if the blogosphere just ignores them, they’ll fade away!
Fighting back against their trash isn’t the only thing we need to do, but that doesn’t mean we don’t need to do it.
hackworth @ 120
I suspect the RW who are having a fit over this are also enraged that a financially struggling family would even had access to a school like this, whether on scholarship or not. They like their poor people to be downtrodden with little hope, drive or initiative to get ahead.
marblex @ 148
Gotta state in mind?
Hell, I’d piss in her ear even if her brains weren’t on fire.
mroom @ 164
I think the Reptilicans are sometimes surprised that their is anything called state subsidy at all. Or private subsidy. Unless of course, it comes from Scaife.
Atrios catches Mark Steyn being a hypocritically amoral thug. Or is that amorally hypocritical thug?
Phoenix Woman @ 168
I get it. Kids are supposed to be the Reptilican version of Stepford kids.
Bombadil @ 166
There wouldn’t be much of a fire.
Tom @ 155
But has MSM even noticed.
mroom @ 164
Sort of related, but, since cheating and manipulating the public system for private gain is all the RW is about, they have come to regard it as their preserve. Non-millionaires needn’t apply.
When I heard W denouncing SCHIP because “nondeserving” families might take advantage of the system, I could only think that this was what a shrink would call “projection.”
anangryoldbroad @ 30
Here’s more from that Freeper site “…maybe Dad should drop his woodworking hobby and get a real job that offers health insurance rather than making people like me (also with 4 kids in a 600sf smaller house and tuition $16,000 less per kid and no commercial property ownership) pay for it in my taxes.”
“Real Job”? Sort of lets you know how these people think…that people can, without training and a pair of disabled kids, get a high paying job with a company that offers health insurance for these kids with “prior disabilities”. that’s just how high in fantasy-land these guys are. It makes on wonder if they got THEIR jobs (note the income is not cited) through some sort of nepotism or political tie…they don’t seem to comprehend that education, prior wealth and prior experience has any relationship to obtaining well-paying employment.
And the Freepers completely obscure the fact that the tuition was paid by scholarships and fundraisers for these kids (they actually KNOW this because a fundraiser at the school is mentioned in one of their provided links).
And wasn’t it the Republicans that were howling about mandated health insurance for employees via the employers. They were all FOR small businesses being able to avoid providing health care to their employees. And they have always supported insurance companies being able to exclude those already ill from coverage.
For them the world of Dickens was already too Socialist!!
republicans don’t give a shit about children and they don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves. Here’s your proof (as if there wasn’t a monstrously enormous record already).
Now all progressives can STOP projecting progressive values (such as a blanket concern for the well being of children) onto regressives/republicans and can STOP being shocked at the void of humanity of the regressive/republican character.
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egregious @ 52
I’d say it a different way…maybe “you can count on my assistance and support in your upcoming campaign in every legal manner”.
Franco @ 56
The district is strongly Democratic with Elijah Cummings being the Representative. I’m sure he would be more than happy to help with counter-demonstrators ringing the house holding signs that quite pointedly attack the Swift-Boating of this family. I think the Freepers would look like the Nazis trying to march through Skokie!
http://www.cummingsforcongress.com/index.htm
I got news for you- I own a business and am doing OK. My wife, thank God, also makes some money. We’re very lucky. And healthcare is an absolute nightmare for us. The premiums are outrageous (the sigle biggest expense for my 2 person company) and the hoops we need to jump through for simple services are a fucking joke. My son is 5 and has been plagued by breathing problems since he was 1. We finally saw a doctor who gave us some comfort 2 weeks ago and he said we should get my son a CAT scan. Horizon BCBS rejected the request. I spent 2 hours on the phone with those mofos just trying to get an explanation for their denial. I’m still fighting for it. (They say the doctor can call, but the doctor says he doesn’t have enough time in a day to follow up on all of the rejections for all of his clients.)
Thanks God we’re all relatively healthy. I can’t imagine what people like the Frosts are going through on a daily basis- money aside!
Thunderbird @ 59
And her “these are not real soldiers” remark and then the tracing down/Swiftboating of the anti-War military guys in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Sidd at 177 — When I was in private practice and had my own firm, I lived that as well. Mercifully for me, my husband’s job had insurancefor both of us. But my partner and I tried to navigate the insurance nightmare to get a policy for our little firm’s employees — and none of us could afford it, even with the firm kicking in a big chunk for them every month for an umbrella pln through our local chamber of commerce or through the state bar association’s group. It was ridiculous, and that was years ago — I can only imagine how horrible it is these days because it has gotten so much worse.
Alice @ 102
Could be…if they can get an injunction and if the type of speech on their blogs can be construed as condoning violence.
BTW If the Freepers and Malkinuts are going to picket the Home then it would be great to have lots of handicapped kids and others who depend on SCHIP in a counter demonstration…and available for media interviews as to WHY these federal fundsare critical to keeping them alive and healthy! And get pictures of the kids in wheelchairs holding the pro-S-CHIP/pro- “Graeme Frost family” signs in the proximity of the Evil Queen wherever she goes!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 179
That’s the thing, isn’t it? Just like everything else, we’re told the GOP is the pro-small business party, but upon examination everything they do is just the opposite. They couldn’t care less about true small companies. That’s why I can’t wrap my head around the fact that chambers of commerce are so pro-GOP. Like “middle america”, they continually vote against their own self interest.
That’s not to mention how much better off “big business” would be if healthcare was fixed. Well, not all big business…
RockPaperScizzors @ 151
Disagree entirely…Malkin, Coulter, Limbaugh and others THRIVED in this climate of no one challenging them on talk radio (of course in that format they frequently cut-off any dissenters). The only reason these extremists have had to retreat from their idiotic stances and propaganda efforts is that they now get called out on it on blogs and by a few politicians who won’t take it anymore.
Look how much good ignoring the initial attacks by the Swift-Boaters did John Kerry. You need to respond with factual strength and then ATTACK back and put THEM on the defensive. If you are right you have to zealously express those facts…otherwise it leads the public to think that there is truth to the allegations.
Back in the early 90’s I remember the House debating a bill that involved children. Democrats held up pictures of the children of their constituents; Republicans held up pictures of their chilren or grandchildren. I was struck at the time by the difference – for Dems it’s about us, for Reps it’s all about me.
And I wonder if her father Dr. Apolo Maglalang, who is a pediatrician in New Jersey, would agree to her harassing these disabled kids and their family?
I would suspect that, unless he restricts his services to the most wealthy, that some of his patients depend on S-CHIP funds to afford his services…so her own father is likely accepting S-CHIP funds. I wouldn’t think that he denies them and offers the same care gratis.
I wonder if he is disgusted with his daughter and wonders where he went astray in raising her?
Frankly I hope a lawsuit can come out of this – a nice big public one where we can watch the wurlitzer warriors get dragged into the public eye for going after a 12 year old.
Essence of Malkin. Is that anything like essence of cow?
Btw, the only thing I know about Malkin is what I stumble upon in the blogosphere. Sounds like a real case. It’s just as well that I’ve never stumbled upon her on the telly on on the street for that matter.
Having the authorities remove those children from the care and custody of people like that would be the most compassionate thing anyone could do.
Asking questions and subjecting political anecdotes to scrutiny are what journalists should be doing.
Gee…if only she’d brought this to bear when Colin Powell was telling tales about mobile chemical weapons factories…after all, that was ALL anecdotal evidence, and we could have saved 4,000 American lives…
The Pro S-CHIP Congress(wo)men should create an online registration for people that are anti-S-CHIP. Stating that “As a parent of children under the age of 18yrs, I respectfully decline, the S-CHIP health care coverage, for any of my current or future children when S-CHIP becomes enacted into law.”
This online registration can be accessed by the public and we’ll see if the Michelle Malkins, Rush Limbaugh’s, Bill O’Reilly’s, congressman, senators, and right-wing punditry, signup.
The simple truth will weed out the liars.
Please do not send the Frost family donations. This would count as income and could potentially make them ineligible for the very program that they have bravely supported. This is a means based program, and I am not sure of the exact income or property limits in Maryland, this could tip the kids out of the coverage. A homestead, two vehicles (one to transport handicapped children and one for the parents work) are usually excluded. This is what these nuts do not understand. These types of guidelines have been around since at least 1974 when the Social Security Adm took over adult and handicapped children needs programs because the states had really crappy rules, and created the Supplemental Security Income program. Their ignorance is appalling and they do not know what they are talking about as usual.
Franco @ 5
But it works. Unfortunately that’s where we are in American media today. We have to deal with it and find a way to win. I hate to say it but we need someone just as controversial (but not dishonest) as the Right’s outlandish spokespersons.
Someone like Janeane Garofalo, who recently appeared on Bill Marar and tore the Right a new one. The Bloggers were flipping because she said things like “Bill O’Reilly can kiss by ass” and “Bush is a war criminal”.
She needs her own show. Unfortunately she’s taking a spot on 24 this season.
That should have been “on the Right’s outlandish…” [Mod: fixed]
Phoenix Woman @ 8
And that’s the bottom line…unless of course there’s money involved…then even their tribalism disappears!
Sorry, the kid was used by the Dem’s. That’s the line that was crossed. If the Dem’s worried about lines, they would have thought first and realized that they were exposing the kid and his family to scruitiny.
What about all of the lines that the Dem’s crossed in the Plame mess? The daily accusation machine from the Democrats crossed all sorts of lines as they moved from target to target. One of my liberal friends likes to point out that liberals get the facts and then respond, but it’s clear that you liberals shoot from the hip and don’t care about the collateral damage. Rush is right when he calls the media the “Drive-By Media” – they just report what they want without much fact checking and then move on – with rarely a peep regarding an appology for when they make mistakes.
A good example is this SCHIP program. The Democrats KNEW that Bush would veto it in it’s present form. They knew it. All they had to do is offer to compromise (isn’t that what the Democrats talk about all the time?) and the deal could have gotten done.
But it never was about the kids; it was always about getting Bush. So I have abject contempt for the Democrats.
anangryoldbroad @ 30
I’m thinking to myself that the FBI might find that posting fairly interesting. What the right wing seems to forget is that there are laws protecting minor children from this type of harassment.
This isn’t the first time a twelve-year-old’s home address and information about their family has ended up on Free Republic. The last young lady that came to their attention wrote an essay about the American flag for school that was displeasing to them. Please feel free to google “Charlotte Aldebron”, and yeah, I sent the link and the postings at that time to the FBI as well.
-S
Al @ 194
Al, considering the fact that the bloggers here liveblogged the Libby trial, I look forward to hearing exactly how any Democrat “crossed lines” in the “Plame mess”.
Thanks,
-S
Al at 194 — Convenient refusal to ackowledge that this is a bi-partisan bill. And that even Orrin Hatch has accused the Bush Administration of lying about the bill publicly.
Because it isn’t about the facts for you people, it’s about your agenda — ends justifies the means. In whose universe is attacking a minor child — and not whatever legislators whose strategy with which you find fault — acceptable?
The freeper in question has published a rebuttal:
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo…..8713/posts
Aravir @ 198
He calls that a rebuttal?
N=1 @ 100
“Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things…every one! So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.” — Matt Santos, The West Wing
cinnamonape @ 184
Cinnamon…bingo
Al @ 194
So…when Bush has T-ball tournaments on the White House lawn, or Easter Egg rolls, we should vet each and every participant, by your lights, since clearly their involvement in a White House sponsored activity makes them partisans?
What about just sucking it up and letting the kid exercise his First Amendment right, and leaving the family the fuck alone?
Al @ 194
“Scrutiny”? Are you fucking kidding me? This isn’t about correcting the record, or “investigative journalism” or any other such noble bullshit Malkin pretends it is. This is about intimidation, plain and simple.
Can you imagine the howls of indignation if the readers of Kos or any other progressive blog had engaged in this kind of “fact finding”?
Have you guys seen this? (I searched and didn’t find it, so I think this isn’t a repost):
[link removed]
I think we have a responsibility to let lefty bloggers who cross the line like this know that it isn’t cool.
I tried to object, but that got me banned from the site. I think you should let Chuck know how you feel.
[CHS notes: Steve, I took the link out of your comment. I’m not allowing personal information to be linked — even tangentially, on the blog. We just don’t do that. And yes, I’m fairly certain that the person who irresponsibly posted the information is well aware that it is not only reckless and asinine, but also fundamentally wrong to pull a stunt like that.]
I understand your taking the link out.
That said, I think we need to roundly condemn this sort of behavior if the notions that you’re expressing in this post are to be accepted. Glad to see you agree.
Frosts-call the dog warden if Malkin shows up again.
They’re just assholes.
steve at 205 — Well, that’s always been my policy, so it’s nothing new. It’s just plain wrong and it shouldn’t be done by either side. Period.
John at 209 — How, exactly, is having a child who benefitted from the program “putting him on the firing line?” Should left wing people have attacked the snowflake babies that President Bush used for his press conference when he signed the bill on stem cells? Or the 9 year old boy that President Bush took out on a dog and phony show for his social security reforms that went nowhere? Or all the many children Rep. Boehner has used in his photo ops on the subject the last few weeks as well?
No, they should not have. And they did not. You know why? because doing so is just WRONG. As I see it, attacking children is cowardly and immoral — and anyone who thinks that the ends justifies the means on this sort of shitty activity has no moral compass.
btw, Steve, in case you were wondering, I did send an e-mail to the person who posted Malkin’s information online telling him it was a shitty thing to do. I couldn’t get the comments to work correctly for me or I would have posted it as a comment.
Shouldn’t these two slackers be getting real jobs to support their four children. Two illegal day laborers make more money around here ($100 a day plus lunch). Talented carpenter? Please, he has chosen to furnish his own house for no income instead of selling his services for cash to pay for health insurance. $700 a month. Less than one week’s wage for a mediocre carpenter with a tool belt and no shop. They are deliberately keeping their income low so that they can go on the dole (right BeBe?) And this is a good thing?
Tom @ 199
Uh, yes that looks like what it is alrighty.
Or perhaps a “fisking” is more appropriate since the author shredded the Sorosphere’s attempts to put words in his mouth as well as putting to lie every single talking point that has been used here.
Face it kids, you have lost a-gain.
Christy,
you said:
How, exactly, is having a child who benefitted from the program “putting him on the firing line?”
Having him benefit from that program was not putting him on the firing line. Having him deliver the Democratic Saturday morning radio address was.
I say, if you care about 12 year-old boys, don’t deliberately put them in the line of fire like that (hoping that the Republicans take the bait). It’s unethical.
commander0 — So, um, they aren’t making the income you think they should be making while taking care of their children, including one with severe brain damage? THIS is your idea of family values? Sheesh…compassionate conservatism is alive and well, I see. Classy.
Swiftee — The Sorosphere? Oh please. THAT is the best that you can do?
Face it, attacking kids is cowardly and wrong, no matter who is doing it. And it is immoral. Shame on you or anyone else who engages in it.
And try reading the SCHIP law instead of parroting incorrect talking points. You’ll be better educated and not sound so much like an uncaring ass.
This is also a blatant attack on a working class family. We see people all the time that come in to ER that don’t have insurance, yet own their own business. I would term them struggling. I also wouldn’t tell them to give up their professional or business.Sidd Finch @ 177
Get yourself a new doctor. The doctors I work with are constantly calling about someone to various agencies. They don’t like it, but they do it.
John at 213 — Wrong. Attacking a child is flat out wrong, whatever the rationale used to attempt to justify it.
Your beef is with the Democratic strategists and politicians, not with the child. Attacking a child is just plain wrong.
It would have been wrong if people went after the “snowflake babies” and their families. The beef was with the Bush Administration and GOP strategists, not the babies. This is the same thing.
It is just plain wrong to go after these kids and their family. Picketing outside the home of a child who has suffered severe brain damage can be potentially very traumatic for a child whose injuries can result in a need for quiet, calm, routine. Going to the place of business of these people can be considered harassment. It’s just plain wrong, no matter how you try and spin it.
These are children. Your beef is with the policy and the people promoting it — NOT a 12 year old boy.
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7423.html
Kids pushing abstinence! I say we drive by and verify their virginity.
Swiftee uses the tiresome “fisking,” term, which immediately tells me his side has lost the argument, he is really angry, and he is lashing out.
Indeed, the wingnuts have long since lost this argument. 70% of Americans back the Democratic position, and only 25% the president’s. As to the pathetic attack on the Frosts, anyone with a brain immediately sees through the freeper’s lame screed. This is what the wingnuts imagine is journalism–some freeper doing a little Googling, and Malkin not having the courage to call and try to interview the Frosts but instead doing some weird stalking thing. It is the domestic analog to her famous “reporting” from Iraq where she only did the softest little walkarounds with the Army PR flaks.
No wonder swiftee imagines the “fisking” is such a grand triumph. How pathetic.
Tom at 218 — I know you are trying to be snarky with that but, truly, I’m trying to make a point here that kids should not be on the firing line with shit like this. I’m a parent — if someone started digging at my child, there would be hell to pay. I would bet most parents feel this way — which is why attacking these kids is so thoroughly odious.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 220
In a sane world, that point would be obvious. I’m a parent, too, and the thought of anyone attacking my kid for any reason whatsoever is enough to make me join the NRA – almost.
And yes, I was trying to be snarky, but with purpose.
Oh, and commander0 — while I’m thinking about it. That $700 figure comes from a moron who used a zip code (21250) for the University of Maryland outside the Baltimore city limits — and who also failed to factor in the increased cost differential for children with severe long-term pre-existing injuries, including a severe brain injury.
Do try checking your inaccurate facts before just parroting them, will you?
I have yet to see one, just one quote from anywhere that “attacks” the kids.
Do you have a source or are you just making it up as you go along (that was a rhetorical question dear, no response is expected)?
The objections coming from reasoned, informed people are directed towards parents who, from all of the evidence that I have seen, have chosen to make their kids health care a low priority, and are now clamboring for the public to pick up their slack.
That doesn’t mean that they are bad parents, just that they made several bad decisions that have resulted in serious consequences.
But by all means, keep it up.
We do find these pointless machinations quite amusing and always look forward to the satisfying moment when it all blows up in the left’s face.
Swiftee @ 212
Hate to tell you, kid, but I’m not on your side. I never claimed that the rebuttal was adequate. Simply pointed out that it existed. Nothing excuses the immoral way in which this family has been harassed and attacked.
Christy, a few things
1. The article I read said they both worked full time. As far as I can tell that means they AREN’T staying home to take care of their children, the state is paying for them to go to a special school.
2. According to you, Mr. Frost has done some quite lovely things to their home. I am a carpenter and I made some quite lovely changes to my home. Aside from the obvious quality of life improvements it was smart to do for tax reasons. The gain will be taxed when I take the profit on my house, or the next house or the next house. I did NOT do this so that I could qualify for gummint assistance or artificially depress my income to get my child a scholarship. I did not have 4 children on a poverty wage. The choices I made are what are called “responsible”. A talented carpenter with his own shop in his own building can easily make double the entire family income by himself. He is deliberately structuring his income to remain on the dole.
3. Mrs. Frost has a bachelor’s degree. She’s in her mid 30s. She makes minimum wage? She couldn’t find a nice cushy state job with health benefits?
I said they were slackers. They are. Mr. Frost strikes me as someone who just chose not to try. Which is fine. Until you have four kids and can’t support them. And then demand that I pay your kids’ bills. Demand, not ask. Compassion doesn’t come into the equation.
$700 a month for health insurance for the whole family. He CHOSE not to make enough money to pay for it because he knew he could scam the system and get it free. Not Good. And then Bebe (sic?) tells people to stop donating because it would get them off the dole?
Man o man, you people have got to find better faces for your causes because this one is actually a perfect example of everything wrong with welfare. Disincentives to work to take care of your own.
I cannot imagine where you got the impression that I thought you “were on my side”.
The wheels are already starting to fall off this bandwagon kids:
“Apparently, Bonnie and Frederick Halsey Frost own two properties in Baltimore with a combined value of more than $420,000, according to the advanced copy of an article by the Majority Accountability Project.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..6005.shtml
Swiftee is ready to orgasm as more and more half-truths come spewing out of the wingnut blogosphere.
Note well that the “exciting” CBS link is the same freeper stuff, under different clothes.
How pathetic.
Charles Giacometti @ 228
..and still doesn’t give the whole story.
Wow, this one sure brought out the flying monkeys, didn’t it?
swiftee — Just a quick perusal of a recent Freeper thread yields these classy gems:
“Thank you for posting all of this information regarding the latest RAT scam to push socialized health care. What I see is that the boy and his sister were covered by the SCHIP program in existence so why is this story pitched as a criticism of the program rather than as support for a program that is working? How much money have they received to date from the SCHIP program and how long is it expected to continue? Also, I see no mention of the social security payments that are in all probability now going to the disabled children. And maybe their parents as well since they are now care takers of disabled children. A full disclosure by these people of all of the social programs they and there children are now or have been benefiting from is in order. Further, I find this couple just plain pitiful character wise. They have bought into the cradle to grave socialist mind set. They will not need to worry about reeducation camps if their socialist side gets control of our Republic. We are seeing the future if the RATS prevail in pushing their socialist agendas.”
“Was Graeme wearing his seat belt when he hit the tree and a window?”
“After raising 5 kids,and some years were struggles,and now with 6 grandchildren,I’ll be damned if I’ll let my cigarettes be taxed more to pay for some other kids to have medical coverage.
We always paid our own way and I’ll become a law breakin’ tax evader if they try to make the smokers pay for SCHIP for the middle class.”
And it goes on and on, including a call to picket outside their home and place of business. I’m not including links, because I refuse to give skeezy tactics and slurs any traffic.
Tom @ 230
The kid dared point out that the Emperor has no clothes, so he must be destroyed.
But let’s not kid ourselves. It wouldn’t have mattered if Graeme Frost was a twelve year old kid from Baltimore, or a Vietnam vet with his limbs shot off, or an Iraqi vet who wrote an op-ed in the NYT, or any number of others who have dared question the wisdom of Dear Leader; anyone who does so must not be allowed to give voice to the obvious.
As I said earlier, this bullshit of picketing the Frost house in Baltimore, or “checking out” their kitchen or the father’s co-workers has the slightest thign to do with correcting the record or debating the issue on its merits, it’s about intimidation, pure and simple. Any attempt to paint it otherwise is not only pathetic, it’s sickening.
cinnamonape @ 173
Here’s more from that Freeper site “…maybe Dad should drop his woodworking hobby and get a real job that offers health insurance rather than making people like me (also with 4 kids in a 600sf smaller house and tuition $16,000 less per kid and no commercial property ownership) pay for it in my taxes.”
“Real Job”? Sort of lets you know how these people think…that people can, without training and a pair of disabled kids, get a high paying job with a company that offers health insurance for these kids with “prior disabilities”. that’s just how high in fantasy-land these guys are. It makes on wonder if they got THEIR jobs (note the income is not cited) through some sort of nepotism or political tie…they don’t seem to comprehend that education, prior wealth and prior experience has any relationship to obtaining well-paying employment.
And the Freepers completely obscure the fact that the tuition was paid by scholarships and fundraisers for these kids (they actually KNOW this because a fundraiser at the school is mentioned in one of their provided links).
And wasn’t it the Republicans that were howling about mandated health insurance for employees via the employers. They were all FOR small businesses being able to avoid providing health care to their employees. And they have always supported insurance companies being able to exclude those already ill from coverage.
For them the world of Dickens was already too Socialist!!
When it rains it poors. That’s the problem with our society. Health insurance Co. tend to back away from sick folks. Remember when Aids patients got dropped?
BTW where are all these freepers coming from? Has MM posted a link to this blog?
Swiftee @ 227
Jesus Christ! I cannot stand such ignorance.
Living here in the land where just about everyone has come to escape exorbitant, over-priced land, because our’s isn’t there yet, I would venture this isn’t all that accurate.
My father’s farm was always assessed at much more than we thought possible, let alone fair. Who knew our milking barn was more valuable than our house because it was part brick?!
There’s absolutely no excuse what’s being done to this family – NONE! And personally, earning 40K for a family of six, I wouldn’t necessary think they’re living all that comfortably. I earn just a tad more and it’s just me and the cats, and WE are comfortable.
As for this brilliant comment from the f*cking Freeper site:
“After raising 5 kids,and some years were struggles,and now with 6 grandchildren,I’ll be damned if I’ll let my cigarettes be taxed more to pay for some other kids to have medical coverage
So what happens with yahoos like this? It comes out in the wash medically. We – WE – pay for in higher premiums because of the problems associated with smoking. We have a Wound Clinic, people with all kinds of wounds come. The biggest reasons wound don’t heal. The effect of nicotine/smoking on the body’s healing apparatus.
mui @ 235
Fucking thug….MM that is.
A note to all the right-wing trolls working the progressive sites today:
You people are grotesque. You stink. You’re awful, vile human beings. Your very existence in the world makes it a worse place for all of us to live in.
That’s all.
Rose @ 238
I second Rose’s emotion
btw, George Bush’s “human shields” — and yes, attacking any of these children in these photos would be equally wrong. Period. (H/T to Watertiger.)
Many have said it before but it bears repeating, “republicans are lizard brains.” They don’t hold themselves to the same basic standards we do. Consistency and decency are not part of the program.
egregious @ 78
This is bassackwards! Say you call your Critter and tell him / her “If you don’t start supporting the Constitution I’ll be supporting your primary challenger next year!”
cough cough..dick cheney’s daughter is an out lesbian, cough cough…oh, so we’re NOT supposed to bring up an adult child in family who’s on the payroll for the election, but it’s ok to attack these children why?
bonkers @ 44
What is this shit “Fair Game?” Like canned hunting? The minds of these people.
“I mean honestly, this propaganda fishing expedition disguised as ‘questions’ doesn’t pass the smell test, and Malkin and her cronies know it.”
Of course. The mere suggestion that conservative bloggers even CARE what the truth is in debates such as S-CHIP is laughable. Although not related to S-CHIP, the best example of this might be CNN correspondent Michael Ware’s “outrageous heckling” of John McCain in Baghdad press conference last April 1st. (Conservatives hate Ware because he won’t regurgitate the White House line on Iraq as Fox News does.) Conservative bloggers, led by the Drudge Report, were universally outraged by Ware’s supposed transgression. Only one problem: The videotape later released shows Ware DIDN’T UTTER A WORD DURING THE PRESS CONFERENCE, JUST AS HE SAID HE DIDN’T. And yet Drudge has yet to retract the lies he printed that day. Anyone who thinks conservative bloggers would have halted their attacks on the Frosts if they “had all the facts” is exceptionally naive. Just ask the Swift Boat Liars for Lies — they’ll happily confirm this.
The plural of “anectdote” is not “data”.
Malkin defends her harassment of this family by calling it journalism. Soon she will be rummaging through their garbage and calling it an archaeological expedition.
Wordsmith@work @ 237
That she is. It’s kind of like ** as the Chinese would say (sorry no emdashes)** that between laughing and crying incident where MsMalkin visited the Iraqi mosque and claimed it wasn’t blown away, even though any sane person looking at the same picture would have said the building had become definitely structurally challenged by some kind of forceful blow of something like a b*mb or two or three. She not only harrasses kids and their families, she challenges reality.
Election 2000
Gore said an elderly woman in Des Moines, Iowa, Mrs. Skinner, has to collect empty cans along the highways seven days a week so she can pay for her prescription drug bills.
Dems said ” HOW DARE the GOP Attack the elderly?”
Gore lied. Ladys relatives all support the fact that she REFUSES help from anyone.
no one is saying they don’t care about children.
the conservatives are saying that they don’t want to pay for health care for other people’s children.
especially those whose parents have CHOSEN not to purchase it themselves.
see. they realize it’s a CHOICE. you think it’s a RIGHT.
it might not be a comfortable choice, but if they don’t like it, get a better job, sell the house, stop leasing new cars, get rid of cell phones….
MAKE THE CHOICE.