Marisa Treviño has done a great job of covering the opposition to the Texas border wall among the border communities for us at FDL. These border towns now have Tancredo’s pale ass pretty chapped:
“These mayors are jeopardizing national security with their not-in-my-backyard attitude,” Tancredo said. “Congress approved the border fence with the overwhelming support of the American people to protect our nation from terrorists and illegal aliens and it will not be thwarted by a handful of rogue mayors.”
The outspoken Tancredo, who is polling in the low single digits in national polls, also offered his solution to the problem, which is to “build the border fence north of these communities.”
“These mayors have already demonstrated that their hearts and loyalties lie with Mexico — perhaps they’d feel more comfortable if their cities were geographically located there as well,” Tancredo said.
So sad to see kreeping dhimmitude infect the the chief Klansman in the Konservative Kongress, giving away US sovereign territory and all. Of course, as the race baiting destroyer of the California Republican Party (and Giuliani endorser) Pete Wilson should now know, this is all suicide for the GOP nationally. From The American Prospect (h/t LiveFromSilverCity):
Republicans’ viability among Latino voters is even worse given the party’s anti-illegal immigration stance. Tancredo’s “Third World country” remark hasn’t done much to help his image among Latinos, and neither have other candidates’ promises of building border walls, shunning amnesty, and sending people back to Mexico. But despite the fact that “values voters” appeals have a chance to fare just as well among this heavily Catholic group, a recent Gallup poll found that only a third of Latinos are backing Republican candidates this election, and only 11 percent of Latinos now identify as Republicans, down 8 percent since 2005. The number that identify as Democrats has jumped from 33 percent to 42 percent, and most cite immigration as the chief issue driving them away from the GOP.
What should really worry Republicans is that the number of eligible minority voters is growing. More than 16 million Latinos will be eligible to vote in 2004, a 20 percent increase from 2000, according to the Pew Research Center. And while only 47 percent of eligible Latino voters went to the polls in 2004, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, voter registration drives by organizations like the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials and galvanizing issues like immigration, are expected to increase those figures. Growth in African American eligible voters isn’t as rapid, but it is still increasing faster than the number of eligible voters in the general population, and the number of African American voters who turned out on Election Day increased from 57 percent in 2000 to 60 percent in 2004.
As people of color in the country continue to organize and build coalitions for progressive policies, and as a new generation of leadership takes hold in communities of color and their respective caucuses in Congress, a national progressive majority becomes inevitable, with real social justice and economic justice achievable. There are threats to alliances among different identity groups, but the more I talk with emergent groups of organizers and leaders, the more I think there’s real potential to build better unity through a combination of enlightened self interest and shared progressive ideology.
For example, here’s a story about some positive coalition building across class lines within a local latino community. Frequently, it’s the fractures within groups who can support progressive policies that keep them from coming together across narrowly defined interests to develop collective power. Latino communities in Northern Virginia are coming together to recognize that soft ethnic cleansing in Prince William country is killing the local economy.
It’s this kind of incremental awakening that is helping progressives begin to organize for collective progressive power in congress.
The responsibility to build coalitions is shared on all sides, for sure, so readers involved in their local communities should continue to look actively to build allies among local progressives, including communities of color. Ultimately, it’s from the grass roots that movement building like this happens. As you see ICE stormtroopers bang on doors, awaken and arrest citizens in the middle of the night in your local communities, creating a climate of terror among people of color, stand up, get connected with others locally and be counted. One night it’s your neighbor’s door, the next night it may be yours.
Meanwhile, any time immigration comes up in politics, it actually hurts the GOP, no matter what Bush Dog Rahm Emanuel says.
And thank you, “reconquista” supporter, Tom Tancredo!
Related posts:
- Minuteman Killer Co-Hosted Anti-Immigration Event in 2007 Featuring Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson
- Sotomayor’s Confirmation Hearings Will be a Trial — for the GOP
- When Wilson Defines Debate, Democrats Squander Chance to Set Record Straight
- Peggy Noonan Calls Rush, Newt, Conservative Activists “Idiots” for Attacking Sotomayor
- Mass Transit-Oriented Smart Growth Melds Environmental, Labor Interests





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do what
I thought we were supposed to be following the debate?
We’re moving soon to Vail, Arizona (outside of Tucson) and I hope they put the fence north of us…I think I’d prefer to say I’m Mexican than American these days!
demi @ 2
Tancredo is all over it.
Chris just cut Romney’s story off and turned around and asked Giulianni to sing to him?
I’m not a TV editor, but, ???
back again
tweety just asked rudy to sing the union label song!!! hahahaha
…he didn’t.
raven @ 4
Not my point.
And, yeah.
Maybe Tancredo’s just mad because Vincente Fox keeps calling out Tom’s man Bush as a fake cowboy. No one is stepping up to deny it.
demi @ 2
We can do that here, we just needed a fresh thread to help the servers.
Pachacutec @ 9
thank you. sorry.
raven, so noted.
oh god,
Tancredo saying Brownback mother didn’t need to belong to the union if she was civil service!!!!
Brownback: don’t pick on my mother!
precious.
TeddySanFran @ 278
do-si-do @ 11
and he adds, and my mother is NOT an illegal immigrant.
everyone laughs.
Fred sez no fed help for GM and Ford, or we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it, or open up markets, or stop manipulating currency.
Tweety mocks him for his non-brevity.
wow-
Rudy: there are “good unions” “bad unions” never said which is which. I’m guessing Firefighters are in the latter category?
Tancredo: unions good, unions that bring in illegal immigrants, bad.
uh oh, policing the toobz now. they’re gunning for us now pups!
Can they draw the line so Alta California is part of Mexico? I think I’d rather be south of the border myself. Maybe even put the west end somewhere around the 49th parallel?
do-si-do @ 16
What we do now?
do-si-do @ 11
Third-tier candidate hissy fight?
Rudy managed to work in child predators. How long before he goes after porn, given that this is an economic debate?
McCain… well, we might have a friend there. Maybe that time in the Hanoi Hilton actually taught him at least the First Amendment. I’m guessing he missed the 8th. All republican knowledge ends at Amendment 2.
JPL @ 18
Sssh, quiet. Maybe they won’t notice us. I know, let’s talk with our hands…uhh, never mind.
JPL @ 18
Keep’em busy…!!! ;-)
Am I wrong in supposing that Mr. Tancredo’s forebears were always here?
P J Evans @ 17
Si como no
Tancredo’s approach to the mayors is just more “you’re with us or you’re against us” Bush philosophy carried to the extreme. Deportations and camps will be next.
How much longer do we have. It’s not that I’m not looking forward to the lightning round because, watching Fred talk fast has a certain appeal, but I have to run out for a bottle of wine after this.
i still think it would help if we’d objected to legal immigrant children being excluded from schip.
but maybe with crazy’s like tancredo running around, no one’s gonna notice.
I don’t know whether it’s a good sign that Tancredo gets laughs and groans from the debate audience every time he trots out his hobby horse. Depends on the demographic of the audience, I suppose.
On topic, the people on the border towns understand border country. (Did you see Tony Bourdain’s show, ostensibly on the food of the border region, but really about the people who cook it? Great hour of television: the people patrolling the Rio Grande understand that fences are for cattle, not for people.)
Of course, Tommy the Tank Hater (like Steve KKKing of Iowa) lives in a state far, far from the border, where it’s much easier to fantasise about the scary brown menace.
re candidates the Hispanic community likes — as far as that can be gauged from a single television event: in the Univision debate, Kucinich was regularly interrupted by cheers, and his applause after each question seemed to be the loudest.
Almost OT, but: http://www.myspace.com/elizabethkucinich takes you to Candidate Kucinich’s wife’s MySpace page, and not only is the page pleasant to read, look at, and listen to (if you tolerate breathless vocals), it’s a portrait of a remarkable person. Now THERE’S a FIRST LADY.
That she and Congressman Kucinich are together seems to be a very favorable indicator of their worth. She’s from England. It is a sorry comment on our country at present that Kucinich is ignored. If he (or she) ran for office in Europe, attention would most definitely be paid, would be my bet.
Huckabee: S-CHIP children are political pawns, I would not have vetoed it. Bad politics. Ummmm “American individuals” should control their healthcare … so, everyone gets an MD and a DEA number, eh Gov?
Mitt: Brown people who practice Islam need to be watched since they preach hate. Gee, Mitt does that also include the skinheads and white supremicists?
OT – sorry, but i’ve got fisa on the brain….
house fisa proposed bill now has a number – it is H.R.3773.
the text has not just been posted, but the link will go to it once it has.
also, c-span2 is scheduled to cover the HJC mark up hearing tomorrow morning.
demi @ 10
we cool
Great post, Pach – thanks for spotlighting this creep.
All this talk about protecting our nation – the Goopers don’t even recognize every square inch of America – and every person on them – is part of America, part of our nation.
Yecch. How disgusting. Glad to see the national goopers flush themselves down the toilet – but its just so gross. Couldn’t the y do it with the sound off?
Rudy: balance foreigners owning our debt by selling them more stuff…..what?
These guys aren’t quick on their feet. I’m not disappointed.
JPL @ 36
Ron Paul is jumpin ugly on their asses.
raven @ 37
Paul was great.
Badwater @ 35
NoNoNo Badwater, you missed the part about optimism being the tonic for our ills.
Gawd, Ron Paul is the only semi-sane Repug there…!!!
Badwater @ 35
what remains of our industrial/manufacturing base….
sold off overseas to insulate our the Money Party from the ravages of inflation on their dividends and trust funds – inflation is bad for their fixed assets.
Brownback: we are a party of the big tent with a wide stance.
The repub was built on the respect of human beings. Yeah sure.
Looks like we may be faced with the age of mediocracy in terms of the election of November, 2008.
CTuttle @ 40
Pretty scary.
Badwater @ 35
Gee, Rudy, our appetite for cheap garbage has annihilated our manufacturing base, and our lack of governmental health care makes it suicidal for little shops to open up — or hadn’t you noticed?
Ron Paul kicking ass & won’t support any Repub who does not end the war.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
A continuation wouldn’t you say?
Raven,
yes, we are.
it’s nap time for me.
the rupugs are putting me to sleep. zzzzzzzzzzz
kirk murphy @ 41
great minds … slower keybords …
Did Brownback just say that the Republic nominee must be pro-growth and pro-life? I never knew that those were the two issues facing this nation.
JPL @ 43
But remember, they have an extremely narrow definition of who is really human…
behindthefall @ 46
No, because he was getting a blow job from his mistress while talking to Bernie Kerik on his cell phone.
demi @ 49
No kiddin, this is worse than beisbol!
Romney made a funny.
Mitt wit da schtuck on Fred.
raven @ 48
Yes. But I am talking about my party as well as the other guys (GOP).
Tancredo and Paul won’t pledge to support the nominee of the GOP!
Tennessee Hound Dog
He looks like skin on a bone pile
A cat wouldn’t give him a chance
But When he stretches his long legs out
A fox ain’t got a cahnce
Tennessee hound dog Tennessee hound dog
Sad faced mooneyed creature
His ears hang down to his knees
The she hounds call him a has been
An old aged home for fleas
Tennessee hound dog Tennessee hound dog
But when he gets a certain kind of look on his face
The she hounds run for a hiding place
Cuz when he takes a notion all the girl dogs know
He’s a dynamite up tite outa sight backyard romeo
He looks like ugly warmed over
Some dog lovers have said that
But he’s got more sense in the end of his nose
That they’ve got in their head
Tennessee hound dog Tennessee hound dog
Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
True, but, any of our Candies clearly outshine any of these buffoons… The winner of this debate: The Dems!!! ;-)
raven @ 53
Yo, Huckabe ever hear of the TSA? duh.
Romney – “It’s just like “Law and Order”. It has a huge cast, the series seems to go on forever, and Fred Thompson shows up at the end”.
Q – Why is this on in the afternoon?
A- these guys are The Not Ready for Prime Time Players.
JPL @ 54
Yeah, but poor old deaf McCain wasn’t wearing a hearing aid and hadn’t a clue why he was forced to smile.
demi @ 60
Doris Kearns Goodwin I think. Reading about baseball is often better than watching it! Mind you I am a sports fanatic.
The economy depends on optimism nothing else. We are the envy of the world. Romney doesn’t read world polls.
Romney: we need a sense of optimism. It will cure all. Everything.
Is that the best solution these idiots can offer?
Brownback: breakdown of the family is our greatest long term threat.
How many times have some of those candidates been married? Lots of breakdowns there.
Tweety just asked Fred if he knew who the Prime Minister of Canada is.
at least he knew that one – and looked pretty damned pleased with himself.
EPU’d from last thread:
Fred struggles with the question, “Why should we be worried about a weak dollar?” “We should have a strong dollar because it’s good…internationally.”
Rude E. Julie Annie: let’s be positive about our weak dollar. Let’s sell more shit overseas, in a positive way.
Brownback: my economic advisor would be an amalgam. Things move around on you so you need lots of economists.
McCain: doesn’t know whether Fed has cut interest rates sufficiently. That’s why we have a Fed chairman.
Paul: won’t promise to support the GOP nominee unless they end the war and cut spending. Won’t follow down the path that has led us down the tubes. We should run on the Bush “humble” foreign policy of not policing the world.
Tancredo: I am tired of having to choose between the lesser of two evils.
Brownback: our nominee will be great, pro-life and pro-growth. Tweety asks, what if not? Brownback says, he will be. I guess Brownback doesn’t think Rude E. is going to be the nominee.
Rude E.: London will not replace NY as finance capital of the world. “Of corth not.” Shame on us if we do not carry on the tradition of world leadership. Everyone wants to come here. They want to copy us. China and India are trying to be like us. That’s why we can sell stuff to them if we are confident. So why is so much business going to London. Because we over regulate and over tax. Everybody in the world wants to lower corporate taxes except the Democrats.
Mittster: we are the greatest, no one will ever be better than us! The GOP nominee will have my support. This is a lot like Law & Order, it has a large cast, the series goes on forever, and Fred Thompson shows up at the end. HA! HA! The Mittster has been waiting to deliver that one all day!!! Kudos to his speech writer!!!
Fred: He knows the name of the Canadian Prime Minister! We should pay attention to our friends.
jayt @ 63
So true, but, the scary part is they all hold or have held office…!!!
These Republicans at the debate. They sure are an exciting bunch.
Now for the important choice. Lahoma wants to know we want for supper.
Thank You, It’s Over…!!!
You’re right.
Right hand K, left hand D. See? I need a nap.
The book follows a young girl growing up in Lon GIsland in the 50;s: family, church, neighborhood, politics and friends.
A good read. :)
I’m not watching any more of these GOP things.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 72
A large cocktail before hand.. That was a long debate. It was actually the first I sat through.
Lawrence Kudlow — my eyes! My eyes! Larry the Former Cokehead says the GOP candidates don’t want to cut taxes enough.
Must.find.brain.bleach.
Bush economic policies created a weak dollar. A weak dollar makes oil prices high. High oil prices make gas prices high.
Do these guys think that no one makes the connection?
Wow. What a schlub-fest. I noticed that for all the zigging and zagging around real economic stuff no one asked any good follow-up questions. I wonder why no one has asked any social questions, were they afraid it would go to Wide Stance Larry?
demi @ 73
Here is a nice interview with her about the book.
DKG
litigatormom @ 77
Kudlow a coke head?
thanks for your posts!
litigatormom @ 77
I saw Larry and switched to HDTV just to unwind.
litigatormom @ 77
Kudlow makes freepers look smart.
Uh, right. Missed the boat on that one. London’s already the financial capital of the world. Not that that’s necessarily a great thing, given the role of foreign oligarchs who’ve set up home in London. But Bloomberg isn’t stupid to talk about it.
(Also, Rude E.’s healthcare policy is ‘insult France, insult Canada’. He’s got nothing.)
JPL @ 38
Paul is very popular in OC, California.
Elliott @ 81
Yes, many years ago Kudlow was the chief economist of one of the big investment banks. Then it was revealed that he had a coke problem. He resigned, went into rehab (someplace apparently more effective than where Lindsay and Britney go) and resurfaced as a TV pundit.
JPL @ 76
Lahoma indicates that out of respect for Mr. Tancredo that we should have a Mexican beer with supper. I agree.
David Shuster is on MSNBC for Tucker.
peanutbutter @ 84
I gotcha, he’s a nut but it’s cool to have him rage on about the war in this forum.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 86
Twist up some Michouacan. (sp)
Jo Fish @ 88
Thank heaven for small favors.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
A glass of BV cabernet held up to clink with Lahoma.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
Wouldn’t it clash with the foie gras…!!! ;-)
Larry the Former Cokehead is trying to get Rude E. Julie Annie to take the No Tax pledge. Rude E. claims to have lowered taxes in NYC multiple times. Funny, I don’t remember that. Did my accountant miss those tax cuts?
LOL. Richard Wolffe talks about how the GOP contenders failed to show ‘basic economic competence’. No shit, Sherlock: they’re appealing to the magic-bean and resentment brigade who think that economics is all about stopping Those People from taking Their Money.
Jo Fish @ 88
Bless you for mentioning this. I avoid Schmucker like the plague. I am home sick today and cannot afford any further stomach upsets.
Thanks SF Teddy & Pach for the superb debate threads!
Lahoma asks me: “how would Tancredo feel about border fences if our neighbors to the south were Italian instead of Mexican?” God I love this woman.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
You know that “Wop” is “without papers”?
pseudonymous in nc @ 95
We all know how well that approach worked out (in terms of both domestic and foreign policy, nevermind economics) for a certain European country pre- and during WWII. But it certainly proved to be a good way to get your country rearranged inside and out.
Raven,
Thanks so much.
I’m really enjoying the book.
:0 — something different than the worrying and fretful fare in politics.
pseudonymous in nc @ 95
The only one who has any economic sense is Ron Paul(And no, I am not a supporter). The only thing that doesn’t make sense is going back to the gold standard. That horse left the barn a long time ago.
demi @ 100
Yea, I’m reading Helberstam’s book on Korea and it pisses me off as much as current events!
litigatormom @ 86
My! o My!
I had no idea! and I’m certainly familiar with the man. I appreciate the tidbit!
Elliott @ 103
A coke problem, his contact leave town?
Goopers tried to use the immigration issue to save their asses in 06. It didn’t work. It was short term thinking- now they have to pay the piper.
Shuster is doing a nice job of following up and fact-checking.
I’m off to DL kids, see you in a bit. I think I’m old enuff to drink… heh!
Jo Fish @ 107
Comcast in Atlanta doesn’t show MSNBC unless you pay more than 55.00 a month. I’d appreciate updates. Wouldn’t the corrections take days though.
JPL @ 109
Comcast in Hershey only gives Fox News if you don’t pay $49
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 102
Long since crucified on that Cross of Gold…!!!
peanutbutter @ 85
Ah, Orange County, CA.
Almost total ag economy prior to WWII.
Explosive economic growth due to WWII defense industry.
For almost two decades (up to ca 1970) US military bases were single biggest contributor to County economy.
Then exponential economic growth due to “aerospace”/war/spook/NASA contracts – all government dollars.
OC – having become hyper affluent due to hyper Federal spending – is one of the chief bastions of the religion of the “free-market”. The cult’s most fervent proselytizes are often wealthy professionals not directly connected to defense industry (real estate, developers, surgeons, etc), but whose “success” is simply a temporal artifact of their providing personal services to a region grown affluent on Federal largess.
For this reason, OC acolytes of their “free market” cult have zero credibility with me.
They’ve got theirs, and whatever their verbal excuses are, now they’re actions are all about pulling up the drawbridge and shutting out everyone else.
Perfect acolytes for Ayn Rand.
Lethal delusions upon which to base public policy.
I’m so glad the CA/national GOP’s core racist plank is pissing off so many Hispanics the GOP is in deep demographic doo-doo in OC over the next cycles.
Couldn’t happen to a more putrid bunch of self-serving ideologues.
Just passing along a message
the war’s over!
To members of Antiwar Tuesday
Jake Thorn
Today at 6:11pm
Reply
oh wait, no it’s not.
today, your beloved antiwar tuesday, what’d you do to stop it? please share:
http://ucsb.facebook.com/topic…..topic=3268
also, if anyone’s interested in sparking a general strike or possibly just a student strike, contact me. I have some ideas — nothing much, but with a little help they could develop into something bigger.
peace,
jake
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
If by “always” you mean, maybe, since around 1908 I’m guessing…;)
TJ @ 110
Does that mean if you pay $49 more you get CNN and MSNBC or does it mean that if you pay $49 they’ll remove Fox?
TJ @ 110
extortion!
dakine01 @ 115
We program the remote to only go through favorites, so we skip over Fox for self-preservation. With neither CNN or MSNBC, the only news we get is on the net.
TJ @ 117
IOW, you save money AND are better informed than most of the rest of the country. With much less aggravation.
It costs me $65 a month here in the Isles for the pleasure… Paradise Tax??? ;-)
CTuttle @ 119
I’ve been wondering, do they still do the tape delay on network sporting events? I would guess prol’ly not with so much on cable these days but was curious.
dakine01 @ 118
Ironically, we do get Comedy Central, though we didn’t sign up for that. So we actually do The Daily Show and Colbert. But that’s usually just more snark on what I’ve already learned here.
I think that we should award prizes for the repubs performance. 1. Most likely to flunk econ 101. 2. Most likely to want to covet neighbor’s wife. 3. Most comical line. 4. Worse dressed. etc.
New Pach thread upstairs!
My congresscritter- the less than honorable Brian Bilbray- still seems to think that the only issue that matters is his fuckin fence ta keep the Mexicans out.
CTuttle @ 119
pass me a kleenex!!!
I’m listening to Democracy Now and they just announced that there are Democratic Senators drafting a competing bill to the FISA bill. That the competing bill would provide “retroactive immunity” to the tele- communication companies that have all ready participated with the illegal NSA program.
What do folks know about this other bill being drafted?
A recent bumpersticker:
Viva Tancredo!
Oh, the irony…
Toby Wollin @ 52
Or, as in the case of torture, they just redefine it, so they can treat anyone any way and say it’s legal.
Redefine torture? Sure.
Redefine the border? Sure.
Redefine life? Sure.
They are a party without Values!
what a dick. The reptilicans are losing the catholic church with this bigoted quasi nationalistic anti immigration BS, I think. But then the right(Xtian)wing movement was never really inclusive of the catholic church the way Hannity and O’falafel think. Stalin would beproud of the reptilicans.
That’s the ticket! Who cares what those living nearest to the border think and feel? It’s the others — far away — who count!
In the same line as “We should do what Americans think about Iraq and Iran — NOT the wishes of Iraqis and Iranians.
America has been dumbed down almost as far as it can get. Right? (God, I hope so.)
I myself, living in Oregon, would like to become part of Baja Canada. Extend the line south to Alta Mexico, and east to Idaho and Utah… keep the Grand Canyon on our side. New Mexico, decide for yourselves, But for Gods sake wall off all of Texas. The only good thing to come out of Texas was an empty bus.