Uh, in defense of FL, the primary-move bill was supported by Dems because the mandatory paper-trail bill was attached. …

We NEEDED that paper trail.

In their law which is the official ballot: DRE or paper-trail?

In an election audit/challenge which will be ignored in favor of the other?

If a paper-trail is going to be ignored, then why bother having it?

The ‘ballot’ has to be better.

Doug Lakey
Director, West Coast Office of Alliance for Justice

hackworth@58

Ending Wars and Univeral Health Care would be popular. Real Global Warming Initiatives require fundamental lifestyle changes that are necessary but would not be popular. The most effective measure would be for Mass Transit to replace the individual automobile as quickly as possible. No politician will touch this issue with a ten foot pole.

I agree that the global warming stuff is the most difficult, but if we had a more concerted effort on the “low hanging fruit” i.e. new light bulbs, natural gas taxis and buses, more use of solar and wind power, etc. we would then be focused on items politicians can be associated with.

Peace, Universal Healthcare (single-payer), and new energy are three big winners that both major parties are afraid of. Dems at least talk a big game, but when the time comes to put their votes where their mouths are, they fold like a cheap lawn chair.

And I don’t agree that fighting Climate Change is a tough sell. I think most Americans are at least philosophically on board with it.

Sure getting Americans to sacrifice is tough, but there are a lot of measures that can be easily embraced by lazy Americans.

Increasing and improving public transportation, I think would be popular across the board. Solar and Wind power is also popular — anything that de-centralizes energy production would be popular with the same “rugged individualist” type people that currently are manipulated by the Reich-wingers.

Govt. subsidies to make solar and wind more affordable and also an intensive government-run R&D project into further reducing costs would be an enormous boon to the economy, the environment and not require sacrifice from the American People.

Compact Fluorescent light bulbs and soon LED bulbs can help everyone conserve energy without sacrificing.

Ultimately we need to radically alter our way-of-life, but I think it can be done without seeming like much of a sacrifice.

Hell, if the neo-cons can use the boiled frog method to slide us ever closer to fascism, we should be able to use a similar approach for an actual noble cause.

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My 12:41 comment @ 15 has been in moderation because of the N-word, which is in the wiki citation I linked to.

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I gonna fb email you now. check in a few. plz.:)

dakine01 @ 59

Ron, as I mentioned above, the RNC is also threatening to not allow the delegates to be seated at THEIR convention because of this move.

Not that anyone in the media is paying attention to that.

I don’t think a lot of people are aware of the dynamic that pushed the primary move in FL…the Mighty Wurlitzer makes it sound like ego-”…we’re big, and we deserve to go first!“, even though NO FL Democrat has said anything like that.
One way to take it out of the media would be for Howard to refuse to play. Seat the FL delegation. Push for a paper trail everywhere.
The media focusing on Democrats while Repubs do the same thing? You don’t have to convince me.

The only way to win is to refuse to play.

RonD-
Thanks for clearing this up for me. I hadn’t heard about the ‘tack-on’ of the paper trail provision. Much needed indeed!

Dean should be assuring FL that the R wedge attempt isn’t going to work. Maybe there’s some D strategy against the R strategy that we’re not seeing. I hope this is not another fatal error.

Ending Wars and Univeral Health Care would be popular. Real Global Warming Initiatives require fundamental lifestyle changes that are necessary but would not be popular. The most effective measure would be for Mass Transit to replace the individual automobile as quickly as possible. No politician will touch this issue with a ten foot pole.

I agree that the global warming stuff is the most difficult, but if we had a more concerted effort on the “low hanging fruit” i.e. new light bulbs, natural gas taxis and buses, more use of solar and wind power, etc. we would then be focused on items politicians can be associated with.