Comments on: S-CHIP: Feet to the Fire http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:22:58 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: DrFrankLives http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1025003 DrFrankLives Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:53:07 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1025003 <p>No excuse, but the reason behind Etheridge and McIntyre is that a lot of the kids in their districts are kids of people tied to the tobacco industry. Cigarette taxes are political eath for both of those guys.</p> No excuse, but the reason behind Etheridge and McIntyre is that a lot of the kids in their districts are kids of people tied to the tobacco industry. Cigarette taxes are political eath for both of those guys.

]]> By: 4jkb4ia http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024973 4jkb4ia Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:37:53 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024973 <p>Even my husband understands that the lack of managing one’s own money or time is relative, because he has to live with me and I am looking forward with dread to another job search. He stated that people become poor because they become entangled with mortgage companies. (This was before children out of wedlock.) This is exactly the point. Education and health care may be free, but you are getting the poor person version of both. You have to question if a low-income person can ever be treated unfairly in the worldview above.</p> Even my husband understands that the lack of managing one’s own money or time is relative, because he has to live with me and I am looking forward with dread to another job search. He stated that people become poor because they become entangled with mortgage companies. (This was before children out of wedlock.) This is exactly the point. Education and health care may be free, but you are getting the poor person version of both. You have to question if a low-income person can ever be treated unfairly in the worldview above.

]]> By: Madam Zorba http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024963 Madam Zorba Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:31:35 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024963 <p>My son is poor. He’s working full time, going to school part time. I subsidize his income when he can’t make the rent, buy him groceries and car insurance. He’s 25, so I can’t put him on my health insurance any more. He had a football scholarship out of high school but got injured and lost the scholarship. He’s not a great student (just average). He’s looking for a better job,in our area of the country, he can’t really get a middle class job with out some degree, or other yet to be identified marketable skill. He’s a waiter right now. </p> <p>I’ve often voted Republican in the past, (I’m an Independent.) I have a good job, worked hard all my life, I’m not doing too badly. But I worry about my son. He’s done everything that your supposed to do, the things that made me moderately successful, yet I don’t know if he’ll even more than mid-middle class. </p> <p>My son is why I’ll be a cold day in hell, before I vote Republican again. I don’t worry about Socialized Medicine, I worry about him being injured in a car accident with an uninsured driver (as one of his friends has had happened to him.) I don’t worry about Islamo-terrorist, I worry about not being able to find a way to pay for his college. I don’t worry about young girls having consensual sex before their married, I worry that I’ve used up all my retirement savings to help him get a degree. I worry he’ll have to join the military to get an education and health insurance, and I worry about all those other mothers who have sons and daughters in Iraq. I’m a very typical American Mom and I worry about my son.</p> My son is poor. He’s working full time, going to school part time. I subsidize his income when he can’t make the rent, buy him groceries and car insurance. He’s 25, so I can’t put him on my health insurance any more. He had a football scholarship out of high school but got injured and lost the scholarship. He’s not a great student (just average). He’s looking for a better job,in our area of the country, he can’t really get a middle class job with out some degree, or other yet to be identified marketable skill. He’s a waiter right now.

I’ve often voted Republican in the past, (I’m an Independent.) I have a good job, worked hard all my life, I’m not doing too badly. But I worry about my son. He’s done everything that your supposed to do, the things that made me moderately successful, yet I don’t know if he’ll even more than mid-middle class.

My son is why I’ll be a cold day in hell, before I vote Republican again. I don’t worry about Socialized Medicine, I worry about him being injured in a car accident with an uninsured driver (as one of his friends has had happened to him.) I don’t worry about Islamo-terrorist, I worry about not being able to find a way to pay for his college. I don’t worry about young girls having consensual sex before their married, I worry that I’ve used up all my retirement savings to help him get a degree. I worry he’ll have to join the military to get an education and health insurance, and I worry about all those other mothers who have sons and daughters in Iraq. I’m a very typical American Mom and I worry about my son.

]]> By: bob h http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024750 bob h Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:28:42 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024750 <p>The only thing that is real to these people is the S&P at 1565.</p> The only thing that is real to these people is the S&P at 1565.

]]> By: That American Chap http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024717 That American Chap Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:20:19 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024717 <p>Bush’s notion that all an uninsured individual needs to do is go to an emergency room for whatever treatment they need is a virtual parallel to his father’s utter lack of knowledge about the cost of milk and bread. Perhaps his cluelessness is an hereditary problem? Maybe it could be treated in an emergency room?</p> Bush’s notion that all an uninsured individual needs to do is go to an emergency room for whatever treatment they need is a virtual parallel to his father’s utter lack of knowledge about the cost of milk and bread. Perhaps his cluelessness is an hereditary problem? Maybe it could be treated in an emergency room?

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024368 MarkH Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:04:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024368 <p><a href="#comment-1023684"><em>CTuttle @ 23</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Fielding is going down, I smell another Libby Pardon…!!!</p></blockquote> <p>What? What’s up with Fielding?</p> CTuttle @ 23

Fielding is going down, I smell another Libby Pardon…!!!

What? What’s up with Fielding?

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024360 MarkH Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:02:03 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024360 <p><a href="#comment-1023672"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 15</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>We in this house think that this is worth repeating:</p> <p>“… and it’s better to have any Democrat than a Republican. I’m sorry but I just do not buy that any more.”</p></blockquote> <p>ditto</p> Oklahoma kiddo @ 15

We in this house think that this is worth repeating:

“… and it’s better to have any Democrat than a Republican. I’m sorry but I just do not buy that any more.”

ditto

]]> By: VictorLaszlo http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024010 VictorLaszlo Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:21:31 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024010 <p>Heh… I posted before I read the comments.</p> <p>QuakerGirl said the same thing I said, but way back at #11.</p> Heh… I posted before I read the comments.

QuakerGirl said the same thing I said, but way back at #11.

]]> By: VictorLaszlo http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024006 VictorLaszlo Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:19:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024006 <blockquote><p>Are there even a thousand really poor people in all of America? Really poor. Dying-on-the-sidewalks-with-open-sores poor?</p></blockquote> <p>“I mean, I almost never see them in our gated neighborhood nor at the country club, so they obviously don’t exist.”</p>

Are there even a thousand really poor people in all of America? Really poor. Dying-on-the-sidewalks-with-open-sores poor?

“I mean, I almost never see them in our gated neighborhood nor at the country club, so they obviously don’t exist.”

]]> By: ben http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024002 ben Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:18:29 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/09/s-chip-feet-to-the-fire/#comment-1024002 <p>I’m not a troll, but i’m not sure whether it’s a fair condemnation. </p> <p>those reps may have many tobacco farmers in their states and perhaps this affects their constituents in that respect? cigarettes are loathful, but you’re still taking money from industries that employ people, and reps have a job to represent local interests.</p> <p>of course, perhaps that’s true for none of these guys, just a thought.</p> I’m not a troll, but i’m not sure whether it’s a fair condemnation.

those reps may have many tobacco farmers in their states and perhaps this affects their constituents in that respect? cigarettes are loathful, but you’re still taking money from industries that employ people, and reps have a job to represent local interests.

of course, perhaps that’s true for none of these guys, just a thought.

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