Bet you didn’t know poverty is a thing of the past in America? Neither did I. S’true, just ask Mark Steyn at the National Review, who links approvingly to this “robust” post by Kathy Shaidle (h/t Will Bunch):
Are there even a thousand really poor people in all of America? Really poor. Dying-on-the-sidewalks-with-open-sores poor?
The so-called poor have cars and cable tv and free medical. They live in America in the 21st century, where school is free and libraries are free and a bus ticket to a better town costs less than a bag of crack. If they’re “poor” it’s because they were too lazy and stupid to a) finish high school and/or b) keep their pants on. Jesus had something to say about folks who didn’t properly manage their money or other people’s, and who squandered free gifts and good will. He told the adulteress to sin no more, not to find herself another baby daddy.
It’s difficult to decide which is deserving of more scorn — the contempt these people show for those less fortunate than themselves, or the overweening narcissism and smug self-satisfaction that convinces them that it’s personal merit that allows them to look down on the filthy masses with such superiority. They populate their imaginary world with radical, cockamamie theories that enable their “more for me” omnivorous selfishness and sneering cruelty. They are moral barbarians.
But let’s be honest — they love their fearless leader George Bush because he tells them these things are true. Bush himself thinks the system of emergency rooms in this country is just a fine social safety net.
These are the people who think it’s okay to stalk and intimidate 12 year-old accident victims who have the temerity to publicly express gratitude for their health care. Who think it’s okay to inflict the right-wing hate machine on his family as a lesson to others who might cast Bush and his evil (yes, I said it, evil) regressive policies that rob kids of health care so that insurance agencies can continue to stay fat and happy in a less-than-flattering light.
So what on earth makes these five Democrats think it’s okay to side with Bush and his venal acolytes over S-CHIP and still call themselves Democrats?
Jim Marshall (GA)
Baron Hill (IN)
Gene Taylor (MS)
Bob Etheridge (NC)
Mike McIntyre (NC)
I know some will make the argument that several of these Bush Dogs live in heavy Republican districts, and it’s better to have any Democrat than a Republican. I’m sorry but I just do not buy that any more. These representatives are holding the Democrats hostage with their willingness to join with the Republicans on everything from torture to FISA to Iraq, and the constant desire to appease them is one of the factors that keeps watering down everything the Democrats try to do into utter meaninglessness.
That’s why Blue America and BlogPac decided to start placing recorded calls to the constituents in each of the five districts, and as Mike Stark says, we intend to keep the pressure up. As Matt Stoller notes, we’re operating within a broken market for Democratic primaries that seriously handicaps our efforts to replace each and every one of these representatives. So it’s time to hold anyone who wants to call themselves a Democrat to a standard that includes health care for kids and keep them from sabotaging the efforts of people who are trying to rebuild the America that George Bush and his enablers are systematically trying to destroy.
Because there really are poor people in America, people like Michelle James (who recorded our calls). And they need help.
You can donate to Blue America’s campaign to hold them accountable here (just select Blue America PAC at the top of the list).
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Etheridge and McIntyre also voted
o For the Military Commissions Act
o For the Bankruptcy bill (technically known as “Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act”)
o Against Net Neutrality (technically the “Markey of Massachusetts Amendment” to the “Communications, Opportunity, Promotion, and Enhancement Act of 2006″), and who
zed.
Jane!!!
hey, I’m in early
Jane!
1,000 really poor people in America?
I pass at least that many every night, between my office and the freeway, on Fourth Street in Los Angeles and the side streets that branch off it.
Get an ever-lovin’ clue.
Kids to republicans are sexual partners and nothing else. They have a big dark secret pedophile ring going on… so I read. You have no idea. These are sick power hungry freaks.
Jane rocks, it’s as simple as that.
I told ‘em downstairs.
Jane
Quick fix
“But let’s be honest — their love”
Change their to they
Poverty is a thing of the past especially when you only see your gated community and country club.
omg! there’s more than a thousand poor people — living or dying on the streets with open sores poor — in my town alone!
what horrible gated community of the mind do these people LIVE in anyway?
burnspbesq @ 6
The Hyper-Wealthy’s desire to have Hawaiian Bungalows has exacerbated the real estate values here, so much so, that, few blue collar families cannot afford a house… Many have to commute two hours one way each workday!!!
burnspbesq @ 6
1,000 really poor people in America?
I pass at least that many every night, between my office and the freeway, on Fourth Street in Los Angeles and the side streets that branch off it.
Get an ever-lovin’ clue.
This Shaidle person has obviously never lived in a big city.
I hereby extend to her a personal invitation to come take a walk with me some night.
We in this house think that this is worth repeating:
“… and it’s better to have any Democrat than a Republican. I’m sorry but I just do not buy that any more.”
I wonder about the fact that dems focused on 15 goops to turn their votes when they need 20 to override. Could they have a deal in place that if they get 15 goops, the blue dogs will come home?
Wondering is all.
Yee-Haw, KO is gonna air Rudy’s rude awakening in Yankee Stadium…!!! 8-)
CTuttle @ 17
Boo-dy!
Boo-dy!
Boo-dy!
do-si-do
Is that a rhetorical question?
It had better be, if not, the elitest ignorance there would be off the fuckin’ chart.
The reason these districts are republican are not because the population are Free Market Privateers. It is because they are misinformed. Would these people vote against their interest if they knew the law behind the name for the policy?
This is where FDL is important daily. The Republicans have built their brand using weapons of state and it will take an army of individuals to bring the correct information to these congressional districts.
Being poor is a very expensive undertaking. Being poor 100 years ago was expensive (in terms of the percentage of income that went to food and living quarters), but the necessity of technology ownership did not exist. Now, without access to technology, people can not participate in the economy at really any level.
From an economic development standpoint, it works the same way. A hundred years ago, all a town needed to offer to attract business was a workforce, water, and perhaps railroad access or electric power to the site. Fifty years ago, the site had to not only have those things, they also needed telecom, muni water and sewer and paved streets. Now, to attract business, you need not only water and sewer, electric, gas, rail(sometimes), paved roads, but also access to an interstate, smart wiring, and natural gas and incentives. More and more technology is necessary in order to do business.
It works the same way for people. Many businesses now do not accept resumes through the mail – they must be emailed and emailed in a specific format. So, people who need jobs not only need access to technology, they also need to know how to use it. That takes training and education.
For those of us with children, I’m sure you have noticed that our kids have had to learn a lot more, a lot earlier, in order to get out of high school. In 1957, kindergarten was to get you ready to learn the colors and numbers and letters. Now, kids can’t even get into kindergarten without knowing those things and a lot more.
So, claiming that people are in poverty somehow belong there because they are lazy or too stupid to keep their pants on is really missing a whole lot.
But conservatives don’t care.
TeddySanFran @ 12
Didjya see CW Nevius ranting again today?
Fielding is going down, I smell another Libby Pardon…!!!
john in sacramento @ 22
People who live on Natoma have discovered there are homeless defecating in their alley. Alert the media! Or, alert Nevius — he’ll surely write it up.
Focus on Rove.
burnspbesq @ 6
Yeah, well, you have both eyes and a heart. These a**hats are willfully blind to anything that does not follow their own world view and refuse to see what is obvious to most of us.
And with the Bush Dogs, the emphasis should be on the “dog” aspect. Because these Dogs are such pitiful curs that they show their bellies at the first sign of any pushback from the right. Just immediately roll over and give up.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
I thought Rove had departed already…?
Private intelligence agencies? Rita Katz?
CTuttle @ 27
Yes, but. He is very busy with GOP election business.
tw3k @ 20
what tw3k said.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
Working for Big Brother…
Take a gander at this site…
Scroll down for some pertinent articles…
http://www.thespywhobilledme.com/
OT – fisa again: Hoyer: Info for Immunity
see ya tomorrow for the HJC FISA mark up hearing.
And meanwhile, them Limey’s are fixin to “cut and run:
National Review
I don’t know about 1000 poor people, but there are certainly 1000 Points of Blight.
OT- Rev. Yearwood will be giving a talk on PalTalk.com starting at 8:30 this evening. I don’t know whether his talk is available elsewhere, my apologies. The room title is “The People Speak with Reverend Lennard Yearwood”.
CTuttle @ 31
Interesting.
on the bus
As the father of a young woman who became a single mother at the age of 18 and has struggled for over a decade as a result, at least in part because my granddaughter’s father has been a scoundrel of the worst order, what I find most insidious in the Shadle excerpt is its smug misogny.
It’s alright for the boys to shoot off their guns, but devil take the child orphaned and abused by their inabity to bear responsibility for what they ought to nourish and invest their hearts and minds.
selise @ 32
You bet, selise!
That is too high a price to pay for a signature from this disgrace of a President.
tw3k @ 20
Target those districts, not to primary the Blue Dogs, but, to enlighten their constituents, and, encourage them to hold their critters feet to the fire…!!!
Unfortunately Mr. Steyn wants to swoop out of the Great White North and become David Frum v2.0
We the Canuckistani people apologize profusely.
.
Rudy, Mitt and Fred are not funny men.
TeddySanFran @ 24
I’m sorry, Teddy, you lost me there.
I’d like to think that you’re not denying that homelessness is a problem. I’d also like to think that you’re not advocating benign neglect as the ultimate solution to homelessness. I’d also like to think that you’re not mocking people who are trying to make better lives for themselves by homesteading in previously nasty areas.
I don’t think you mean any of those things.
So what exactly are you saying?
Matthews on Olbermann comparing Thompson favorably to Gary Cooper. I don’t think so, Chris.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
That Matthews needs some serious counseling, really, he does.
RossK @ 41
Hmmm… Now, I’m an ex-pat Canuckistani, eh??? ;-)
I’ve made a decision. Mathews’ laugh is far worse that Hillary’s.
Matthews thinks McCain thinks we are going to attack Iran.
RossK @ 41
F*ck, another one?…I thought Canada was done sending comedians south.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
Haahaahaa. What a funny image. Just what, pray tell?
When I look at Thompson I see Deputy Dawg.
Burns – Teddy’s initial comment was inaccurately quoted…
Here is the original, snark form…
lambchops @ 50
laughing!
CTuttle @ 40
Oh hell yeah, fuck the Village™, it takes a Nation!
I think of Rove like a big nasty spider. Bad enough to see him, worse to look away and he’s gone. Lurking somewhere. Sneaky fuck.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
Did you know that it is Chris’ laugh at the beginning of Oddball? Listen to that Ha!
lambchops @ 50
As to the the physical comparision… I won’t comment. However, I do think that the “Deputy” was far more astute, talented and entertaining than is Fred.
carolyn urban @ 54
I think of Rove as a slime mold, mostly because I like the image that conjures up, it seems so appropriate.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
Cue it up…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJK10c32Vr4
*g*
C’mon. I loved Deputy Dog. “what to say I do not know, so let’s get on with the show”.
For that matter, I loved lampchops too.
I’ll bet a lot of the children of men in our prison system are poor. I think I also read that 10,000 children lost a parent on 911.
ccmask @ 60
The Prez is not concerned with details.
Carolyn urban @59
My observation about Fred Thompson was not meant to be derogatory toward him. As a child I liked lambchops and enjoyed Deputy Dawg too.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 61
but but
Fein is a’rocking on KO again…!!!
OT- if anyone has PalTalk, Rev. Yearwood is talking live right now. He will be taking questions once he is finished. PalTalk.com is the site.
Good gravy. Too psychic or what.
We were just talking about the fact that the group of people who’ve benefited the most from progressive policy are REPUBLICANS.
Those normally too stupid to survive managed to live through childhood thanks to government-researched and developed, government-mandated, government-underwritten childhood vaccines; they managed to make it to legacy programs and fine schools like Regent University and Messiah College.
Those normally to stupid to survive their advanced years are supported by a progressive safety net called Social Security, cared for by a medical safety net called Medicare — and they tend to vote Republican more often in their dotage.
Jeebus. I’m about ready to subscribe to leaving anybody who can’t see the benefits of these progressive programs out of them, to develop those open sores and die impoverished in the gutter, dropping dead at their job.
But I’ll somehow manage to snap out of it and pay my share of taxes for them, even though they continue to stab me in the back for it.
CTuttle @ 64
“Invertebrate Congress…” Beautiful.
Perhaps take a look at these two freaks.
DEARBORN, Mich. – Republican presidential hopefuls Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani quarreled over tax and spending cuts Tuesday, each claiming greater commitment than the other in a debate in the nation’s struggling manufacturing heartland.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ans_debate
evening pups… been cooling off for a bit as i’m seething at the repugs denial of med care to children and those adults who have no insurance!! why doesn’t some pundit ask those who’d deny care to less fortunate people where does there insurance come from…..all these goddamned talking heads are well-paid and well-fed!! of course they can’t see why we all can’t do as they do…don’t they see how working-class folk are living?! ok i’m still in a rage and need to take my meds – i am so sick of these bastards!!!
newtonusr @ 67
Constitution is our Birth Certificate…!!! 8-)
Worst person in the World, the commentators (Malkin et. al) who said the 12 year old boy doesn’t deserve SCHIP monies.
CTuttle @ 70
“The Constitution IS the country.”
Should I bother with the republic debate?
Rev. Yearwood just said that it was the people’s seeing him on the youtube video and the all the people standing up for him that made a difference for his situation. The outcry from the world against what they did to him freed him.
newtonusr @ 72
I’ve noticed that Mr. Fein hasn’t been asked to testify in front of Congress lately…
What does the American flag stand for?
Good point, jayt. Why not?
Loo Hoo. @ 73
I didn’t watch but felt it was well reported here in the threads, perhaps you might just read the postings of the pups?
jayt @ 75
Yeah, he’s a shit-disturber.
Loo Hoo. @ 73
I think Ron Paul’s rants were worth the price… or, ya could wait for the excerpts…!!! ;-)
Loo Hoo. @ 73
No, shut it off.
Keith going after Rush, Free Republic, Bill O’Reilly. O’Reilly for Sean Hornbeck, saying the kidnapped kid was liking his circumstances. He has never apologized because he is not enough of a human being to do so.
I used to get upset with the Repubs over this healthcare thing. It made no sense to me, either from a humanitarian position or a business position, to deny healthcare to children when the results are so costly to the nation.
Then I realized that for the Conservatives, they really do believe that the reason people are poor is that they are a totally different people from them. THEY, the Conservatives, are the blessed, the righteous, the smart (or at least smart enough to have had themselves conceived into a family with money, power or both) and therefore, they DESERVE their position of greatness, comfort, and privilege. People who are not blessed, righteous, and smart, are therefore lazy, stupid, and are NOT DESERVING of greatness, comfort and privilege.
Those people are invisible to Conservatives(except when they cut their lawns, care for their children, cook their meals, wash their clothes, clean their swimming pools, drive them around, etc. etc. – then they are wonderful, but cheap, labor).
They and their needs do not exist.
Poor people don’t get to have dreams.
Dreams require being deserving and being smart and having money.
When a poor person or a person who is discriminated against, somehow makes the leap to “THEIR” sphere, it is because, obviously, like Oliver Twist, this person has been misplaced among the poor, the undeserving, bad, lazy, and stupid poor – or if you believe in reincarnation, they were born into the wrong family – they were supposed to be delivered to one of the righteous, but there was a mistake someplace.
For the rest, though, tough luck.
Loo Hoo. @ 77
Good point, jayt. Why not?
Because he speaketh the truth, I would say. Makes Repub’s look like criminals, and Dem’s look, well, invertebrate.
He’s a bi-partisan party-pooper.
Thanks, guys. I’ll wait for John to put up the highlights on C&L. Which reminds me, I really need to chip in over there.
As soon as Keith is over, please join me in shutting off your teevee.
JukeboxRadar Love–Golden Earring
Toby Wollin @ 83
I’ve been a teacher for 30 years, and I’ve seen the wealthy PTA moms with the better-than-thou attitudes. Those PTA moms normally don’t work, or they wouldn’t be able to get away for the meetings. Funny how when they get a divorce, everything changes. Suddenly, the bucks are cut off and the woman (19 times out of 20) realize that it’s not just blind luck that some people are wealthy. I’ve seen many, many women change their views on social issues once the hubby found a younger gal!
ccmask @ 86
and away to the window, throw open the sash, and yell “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!”
I Am Not Gay!!! ;-0
ccmask @ 86
I did. And it’s so nice to have peace and quiet…
For those of us who missed it earlier MSNBC is about to air the debut of Frederick of Hollywood in Debateland.
CTuttle @ 90
Uhoh, incriminating evidence for Suz…!!!
CTuttle @ 90
Yeah. What was that YouTube Keith was talking about?
Yes.
This has been another edition of Simple Answers to Stupid Questions.
Eli upstairs!
OT- Rev. Yearwood can be heard live now on ThePeopleSpeakRadio.org/ for those who do not have PalTalk. The radio had a link to hear him speaking.
Eli’s upstairs
Loo Hoo. @ 73
Only for its comedic value.
Now I understand how it possible to so despise someone as to imagine pleasure at hearing of their slow, agonizing death.
Over years.
Though – of course – I would do all in my power to avert that outcome even for the deformed container of evil quoted above.
Loo Hoo. @ 73
Only if you are eager to inflict irreversible brain damage on yourself.
Oh, it’s entertaining. Plus, it’s fascinating to listen to Ron Paul sound more like a Democrat than Nancy Pelosi… at least about economics.
St. McCain says Social Security is going broke. Well, maybe if they weren’t stealing from it that wouldn’t be the case.
darkblack @ 48
I’m afraid that Kathy Shaidle is one of ours too. Gee: Mark Steyn, David Frum, and Kathy Shaidle all in the same thread at the lake — this is humiliating.
The niceness myth is getting harder and harder for us Canucks to maintain, I fear. Some of us are as barking mad as the Malkins and the Coulters, and some of us are stomping around other people’s countries without the faintest clue of why we are killing and being killed. It breaks the heart sometimes; it does.
So 400-500 thousand people should lose their livelihood in the cigar industry to pay for your social program? If you succeed with the current program you will put half of the industry out of business at the very least. You will then have to find a new tax to raise to replace the tax revenue that will no longer be available. That is just bad policy. Remember, I am only speaking of the cigar industry, not cigarettes.
Although I am voting for the Democrats in the next election because I can’t allow anymore conservative appointments to the Supreme Court. I am scared to death of the left in this country wanting to solve all of our social ills with my wallet. Color me libertarian but I think it’s a load of horsesh*t.
I hadn’t heard the expression before, but as Jane said with the Webb Amendment (I think), it’s “balls to the wall” on SCHIP.
And when Baron Hill’s people tell you he HAS to vote agaisnt it because IN gets less than it gives, remind them that BOTh IN Senators, including Lugar, a Republican, vioted for it.
And there are no homeless in south Florida where they spend the winter because being homeless even in a car is no fun in the cold.
Ask your friends in Ft. Lauderdale or Miami what a problem the homeless are.
RE posted from earlier thread now sorta on topic…
Hey folks this is off topic but Louisiana needs your help.
We have a Governor’s race on October 20th. Kathleen Blanco did not run for re-election. The favorite is Representative Bobby Jindal (R). He is one of the abslolute worst Republican Rubber Stamps. We have a newspaper in New Orleans that refuses to print the truth about this guy.
The truth is he missed the first SCHIP vote. He could give a crap about SCHIP. He would love to see it go away. It is his ideology, just like the President.
Since our media is owned lock stock and barrel by the Republican party, we figure the SCHIP vote will go down like this.
Two days before the Election for Governor of Louisiana Bobby Jindal will ride into DC and help Pelosi override the President’s veto. The media in Louisiana will declare him a hero for voting for the one piece of legislation that he despises. He will then win the Governorship because in Louisiana if you win 50% of the vote in the Primary, you win. There is no separate Dem and Rethug primary the primary is open.
So what we are thinking is that Pelosi needs to change the date of that vote. To after Louisiana’s Governor Primary. At least that gives our Dem challengers a chance of getting to a runoff. We need a runoff or our state is doomed to the worst kind of Republican leadership in this country.
Please help!!!
Call Nancy ask her to change the date of the SCHIP vote until after October 20th…Oh and all the other important stuff too!
http://www.jindalisbad.com
I’m not a troll, but i’m not sure whether it’s a fair condemnation.
those reps may have many tobacco farmers in their states and perhaps this affects their constituents in that respect? cigarettes are loathful, but you’re still taking money from industries that employ people, and reps have a job to represent local interests.
of course, perhaps that’s true for none of these guys, just a thought.
“I mean, I almost never see them in our gated neighborhood nor at the country club, so they obviously don’t exist.”
Heh… I posted before I read the comments.
QuakerGirl said the same thing I said, but way back at #11.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 15
ditto
CTuttle @ 23
What? What’s up with Fielding?
Bush’s notion that all an uninsured individual needs to do is go to an emergency room for whatever treatment they need is a virtual parallel to his father’s utter lack of knowledge about the cost of milk and bread. Perhaps his cluelessness is an hereditary problem? Maybe it could be treated in an emergency room?
The only thing that is real to these people is the S&P at 1565.
My son is poor. He’s working full time, going to school part time. I subsidize his income when he can’t make the rent, buy him groceries and car insurance. He’s 25, so I can’t put him on my health insurance any more. He had a football scholarship out of high school but got injured and lost the scholarship. He’s not a great student (just average). He’s looking for a better job,in our area of the country, he can’t really get a middle class job with out some degree, or other yet to be identified marketable skill. He’s a waiter right now.
I’ve often voted Republican in the past, (I’m an Independent.) I have a good job, worked hard all my life, I’m not doing too badly. But I worry about my son. He’s done everything that your supposed to do, the things that made me moderately successful, yet I don’t know if he’ll even more than mid-middle class.
My son is why I’ll be a cold day in hell, before I vote Republican again. I don’t worry about Socialized Medicine, I worry about him being injured in a car accident with an uninsured driver (as one of his friends has had happened to him.) I don’t worry about Islamo-terrorist, I worry about not being able to find a way to pay for his college. I don’t worry about young girls having consensual sex before their married, I worry that I’ve used up all my retirement savings to help him get a degree. I worry he’ll have to join the military to get an education and health insurance, and I worry about all those other mothers who have sons and daughters in Iraq. I’m a very typical American Mom and I worry about my son.
Even my husband understands that the lack of managing one’s own money or time is relative, because he has to live with me and I am looking forward with dread to another job search. He stated that people become poor because they become entangled with mortgage companies. (This was before children out of wedlock.) This is exactly the point. Education and health care may be free, but you are getting the poor person version of both. You have to question if a low-income person can ever be treated unfairly in the worldview above.
No excuse, but the reason behind Etheridge and McIntyre is that a lot of the kids in their districts are kids of people tied to the tobacco industry. Cigarette taxes are political eath for both of those guys.