BREAKING: CNN reports that the SCOTUS just blocked denied certiorari (CHS notes: that’s what I get for using CNN’s reporter language.) for the El-Masri civil lawsuit against the US for alleged torture of him by CIA agents and others when they held him at a black site — after picking him up on inaccurate information. SCOTUSblog has more. Also of note today, the government’s brief in the Al Odah v. United States (06-1196) case is due (this is the habeas challenge case to Guantanamo detentions.)
They rejected it, leaving in place all the questions that are still swirling around about “state secrets” constraints rather than give the Bush Administration the blanket immunity from suit they’ve been asking for — so it’s not all roses for Bush on this one.
The civil liability question on this was far from solid, despite the abhorrent governmental conduct. But by not taking the case or not dismissing it outright on state secrets grounds, they leave open the prospect of lots of future challenges from the circuits below instead of shutting them off entirely. Which opens up an entire window of discovery into what the Administration may or may not have been doing in a much more public way through the courts. The SCOTUS simply declined to review the case.
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Because paying attention to details, listening to the professionals who keep this nation safe on the front lines…and not using information for short-term personally aggrandizing propaganda purposes is too damn hard, the Bush Administration has — yet again — proven themselves to be rank incompetents in the field of espionage. And they’ve endangered the nation in the process by severing a valuable surveillance network that was a useful window into al qaeda operations. Everything these people touch turns to shit, doesn’t it?
Leaving the question of outsourcing valuable intel operations aside for another day, this is just disturbingly inane failure on a lot of levels. Via the WaPo:
A small private intelligence company that monitors Islamic terrorist groups obtained a new Osama bin Laden video ahead of its official release last month, and around 10 a.m. on Sept. 7, it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release.
Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company’s Web site. By midafternoon that day, the video and a transcript of its audio track had been leaked from within the Bush administration to cable television news and broadcast worldwide.
The founder of the company, the SITE Intelligence Group, says this premature disclosure tipped al-Qaeda to a security breach and destroyed a years-long surveillance operation that the company has used to intercept and pass along secret messages, videos and advance warnings of suicide bombings from the terrorist group’s communications network.
“Techniques that took years to develop are now ineffective and worthless,” said Rita Katz, the firm’s 44-year-old founder, who has garnered wide attention by publicizing statements and videos from extremist chat rooms and Web sites, while attracting controversy over the secrecy of SITE’s methodology. Her firm provides intelligence about terrorist groups to a wide range of paying clients, including private firms and military and intelligence agencies from the United States and several other countries….
By midafternoon, several television news networks reported obtaining copies of the transcript. A copy posted around 3 p.m. on Fox News’s Web site referred to SITE and included page markers identical to those used by the group. “This confirms that the U.S. government was responsible for the leak of this document,” Katz wrote in an e-mail to Leiter at 5 p.m.
Al-Qaeda supporters, now alerted to the intrusion into their secret network, put up new obstacles that prevented SITE from gaining the kind of access it had obtained in the past, according to Katz.
Remember the Pakistani source that got burned in the run-up to the 2004 election, when Bush needed a PR boost and that personal need was put ahead of national security considerations? Yes, me too. (Does the name Valerie ring a bell?) Rank incompetence and utter lack of care for long-term consequences to all of us, let alone slack-assed inattention to detail and long-held security and need to know protocols. Add in an utter failure to learn from past mistakes. Welcome to Bushworld. Feel safer?
Tell me, please, what part of “trust us” is even remotely plausible for this Administration of bunglers? Honestly?
And, as an interesting aside, Laura Rozen points out that a NYSun article on the same topic neglects to mention both the WH and Fox News connections on this. Why is that, exactly?
(Photo via the WH/by Paul Morse.)
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Christy!
They’re just looking to set up more campaign ads.
Oganowski pulls 9/11 card in Massachusetts tv ad against Tsongas
The WaPo article almost made me believe Osama is still alive. Strange…
I’ve told the pups that your thread is up.
I’ve been following this story and sadly it is not at all surprising from a bunch who outed a CIA operative for political purposes. I can’t imagine that this is not a criminal offence, but with spineless dems I doubt it will be punished.
Tellaphone, tellafax, telldawhitehouse….
Christ in addition to what you mentioned let’s not forget these other occasions Bush & Co. have blown a valuable intelligence source for short-term political gain.
From Valerie Plame to trumped up conveniently-timed Terror Warnings
Nice pun in the title as it uses both definitions of the word “rank.”
Isn’t there a saying about honor amongst thieves?
Shocking. There’s just no history of anyone in this administration doing the exactly wrong thing at the exactly wrong time, every chance they get. I just cannot imagine why the US has become a laughing stock to the rest of the world.
yet, we continue to do nothing.
One can only imagine the howling chorus if a Democratic administration had messed up like this.
There is also what is in this Raw Story article to consider: Navy veteran questions why six nuclear missiles were flown on combat aircraft to staging area for Middle East
“endanger the nation” benefit the admininistration, they are out of control.
The Bush administration seems to be committed to granting Osama Bin Laden one of his wishes “to witness the US become a shadow of its former self”
Does anyone out there still believe this Admin really wants to “win” the so-called war on terror?
Just like the “war on drugs,” for an authoritarian government, “terror” is the gift that keeps on giving.
BTW, was the latest OBL tape genuine? I’m not entirely convinced.
Kathleen @ 12
This administration is the best recruiting tool OBL could have ever wished for.
Attaturk — I started to do an entire listing of every shitty action that I could remember. And then I got even angrier and had to stop for the day. One of these days, though, I’m just going to put together a list… Blergh.
dakine — Thanks, I had a little fun with the headline. Needed a little giggle this morning because the news is giving me a headache.
RMN on aspects of how “intelligence” and “Republican” are seemingly irroconcilable terms. From the spring of 1973:
In this May 1973 recording, he shared his concern with then-chief of staff Alexander Haig.
“He’s talking to Fred Thompson. I said you’re not –,” Haig begins.
“Oh sh–, he’s dumb as hell. Fred Thompson,” Nixon interjects. “Who is he? He won’t say anything.”
In another conversation some weeks later, Nixon and his advisers were still describing Thompson as not very smart but at least beginning to play ball.
“Our approach is now, we’ve got a pretty good rapport with Fred Thompson. He came through fine for us this morning,” White House counsel Fred Buzhardt says on a tape from June 6.
“He isn’t very smart, is he?” Nixon asks.
“Not extremely so, but –,” Buzhardt says, interrupted by the president.
“But he’s friendly,” Nixon says.
“But he’s, he’s friendly,” Buzhardt echoes.
“Good.”
egregious @ 10
It would probably sound like this…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
Well, Hugh’s scandal list and ccmask’s criminals list are probably good starting points for that.
and yet impeachment is still off the table
I suppose high crimes isn’t enough to impeach…is incompetance?
is incompetance even a legal justification for impeachment
I can imagine the WH conversations . . .
SAO #1: OMG! Look at this tape. Don’t we have great intelligence folks! Let’s pass it along to Fox, so they can let everyone in on our genius.
SAO #2: Are you sure that’s a good idea? What if someone finds out the leak came from us?
SAO #1: How’s that ever going to happen?
Folks, you’re dealing with a company who apparently specializes in electronic hacking, tracking down holes in security systems, and exploiting the holes to defeat the operators — and you don’t think they’ll figure out who blew their whole operation?
Personally, I love that the company is going public with this. “We’re not going to let our company’s reputation go down the tubes because of BushCo PR.”
Worst of all, though, is what happens after these folks get their hooks on some AQ intel. “OK, do we call the WH this time or not?”
twolf1 @ 18
What happened to the monkeys in the video, they seem to have lost their wings.
WHY IS GEORGE W. BUSH SO GOD DAMNED SOFT ON TERRORISM?
He aides and abets them every chance he gets. He destroyes every network we build to combat them.
WHY IS GEORGE BUSH SO SOFT ON TERRORISM?
Inquiring minds wnat to know
michael @ 10
We eagerly await your report of the calls and contacts you have made this morning.
Remember all that garbage they spewed back in 2001 about how the grownups were in charge now?
Which grownups were they talking about – Britney Spears and Paris Hilton?
CHS:
I would be a little more skeptical of this Post article.
I found it a bit confusing: who are these “private” intelligence outfits “scouring the internet that I’ve heard of? There is a big difference between the work of this freelancing Israeli, Katz (portrayed, touchingly, as a disinterested crusader) and the operations of our intelligence agencies Pakistan.
The last paragraphs of the Post article raise questions:
“A small number of private intelligence companies compete with SITE in scouring terrorists’ networks for information and messages, and some have questioned the company’s motives and methods, including the claim that its access to al-Qaeda’s network was unique. One competitor, Ben Venzke, founder of IntelCenter, said he questions SITE’s decision — as described by Katz — to offer the video to White House policymakers rather than quietly share it with intelligence analysts.
“It is not just about getting the video first,” Venzke said. “It is about having the proper methods and procedures in place to make sure that the appropriate intelligence gets to where it needs to go in the intelligence community and elsewhere in order to support ongoing counterterrorism operations.”
looseheadprop @ 23
mine is better;
“WHY DOES GEORGE BUSH FACILITATE TERRORISM EVERY CHANCE HE GETS?“
inquiring minds want to know if he is working for bin laden, we want to know if he has a personal friendship with the bin laden familty
perris @ 20
Actually yes. If I had my copy of the debates handy I could give you the citation. But yes, incompetence is a groaund for impeachment
Peterr @ 21
egregious @ 23
Because of the SCHIP veto, their families can’t afford to have the wing reattachment surgery they so desperately need .
brendan — I’m always skeptical of the WaPo. *g* But the Fox News feed-out was an intriguing angle — and the fact that the NYSun didn’t hit it was noteworthy for me.
Bill Paxon just said that Guiliani is THE Ronald Reagan conservative in the GOP race. LMAO.
OT – doing a little SCHIP research. There are approximately as many medically uninsured kids in Florida (657,000) as there are people in Alaska (663,000)…
Ed*ard Teller @ 17
Sounds like a dog we once had, who was a mix of Lord Gordon Setter and Irish Setter. Just attractive as hell, but a true bimbo. Friendly, though…very friendly.
Yes, of course EVERYTHING is political to BushCo, even so-called national security information, military secrets, etc. If there is political gain to be had, to HELL with actual harm to the country, then it is a GO for release.
On another note, I must say “I TOLD YOU SO!”
“What?” you ask. Well, I have been proclaiming that the Dems do NOT represent us, they do NOT listen to us, that they do, in fact, IGNORE US because they KNOW they will still get the money and votes no matter what they do. Point of fact, this is proven yet again in the Democrapic plan to make the absolutely UNacceptable FISA abortion PERMANENT AND give retroactive immunity to Telcos for illegal spying for the government. The House is going to make noise like they are putting up just the slightest struggle against this but Senate, they have already full gone all in. The conference bill that results WILL include the worst unconstitutional aspects of the latest FISA abortion AND it WILL include retroactive immunity. The fix is in.
But go ahead and keep giving the fucks money and promise to vote for them. Having ALL your civil liberties taken away in service to the Police State is better when it is done by Democraps rather than Republicans. Somehow.
This crap is why I have long since QUIT THE GODDAMNED DEMOCRAP PARTY and will NOT give ANY money to those fucks or vote for a single one of them in 2006. They are NO DIFFERENT than the GOP. That is a stone-cold fact.
looseheadprop @ 24
Great question LHP! This should be a tight focus point through November. Repeat the “leaks list” with the intelligence lost each time. Repeat it over and over. Until it is clear why.
Are we ranking incompetence in Shrubco?
It’s a mighty long list with a big tie for first.
No Fair…… too funny and it hurts my incision… Sure missed you all. Going cold turkey is really hard even if I was on a morphine drip.
looseheadprop @ 23
For the same reasons that the BinLaden family and the rest of the Saudis were whisked out of the country on 9/11 while the rest of the US airspace was locked down.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..it.html?hp
Link to great op ed piece on supply side voodoo economics.
looseheadprop @ 28
in that case the democrats have another tool for dialgue;
“since high crimes are not going to be enough to impeach this administration then we need to add his dangerous incompetance which are also grounds and we need to make certain as little further damage is done to this country as possible”
get that out, get his incompetance part of the very duscussion
Christy Hardin Smith @ 31
But what does Bill Pullman say?
((((((katymine))))))
Oh and mods, can you fix my #30 above. For some reason my toobz is slow today and two diferen comments got spliced together. [Mod: Sure. No extra charge.]
Is anybody else having trouble? I keep having to refresh the whole page via my browser b/c the comments won’t post otherwise.
Just updated this above, wanted to be certain everyone saw it:
BREAKING: CNN reports that the SCOTUS just blocked the El-Masri civil lawsuit against the US for alleged torture of him by CIA agents and others when they held him at a black site — after picking him up on inaccurate information. SCOTUSblog has more.
looseheadprop @ 43
I thought you had mod powers here?
Meant to also mention that of note today is the fact that the government’s brief is due on the Al Odah case (the Guantanamo challenge).
katymine @ 38
I hate opiate withdrawal so much that in my last two surgeries I had them take me off the stuff as soon as I could stand up. Hang in there!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
Ta-da! Torture is now officially sanctioned by the SCROTUS too. There absolutely must not be ANY relief from victims against the most holy United States of Amerika. Let me guess, 5-4 ruling.
Peterr @ 22
I’m sure Blackwater influenced this company’s decision to get ahead of this. Smart…er…devious maybe :)
think progress right now;
OT: Mearsheimer and Walt discuss their book at the Post today at 3:00:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01306.html
The Post’s Sunday book review had a predictable denunciation scrawled by Columbia’s Samuel G. Freedman (www.samuelfreedman.com). I assume he supported the invasion of Iraq (an indispensible qualification to the Post for opining on foreign policy, especially on dissidents like Mearsheimer & Walt, or Noam Chomsky a couple weeks ago), but I couldn’t confirm it with an internet search. He does have impeccable apartheid credentials, though.
That gives me a sick feeling; SCOTUS is going to inflict severe damage on our Country this Term.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._1008.html
Navy veteran questions why six nuclear missiles were flown on combat aircraft to staging area for Middle East
John Byrne
Monday October 8, 2007
A retired lieutenant commander in the Navy Reserve who served with the Navy’s Supervisor of Salvage questioned in a little-noticed editorial Sunday why six active nuclear armed cruise missiles were being transferred to an active bomber base that “just happens to be the staging area for Middle Eastern operations.”
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Jesus, Mary, Joseph, God, Gandhi, Mother Theresa, Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah HELP US.
Protect the Iranian people from the Bush administration…we are trying.
Praedor at 48 — Actually, not quite — it’s not as black and white as you are trying to make it out to be. They rejected it, leaving in place all the questions that are still swirling around about “state secrets” constraints rather than give the Bush Administration the blanket immunity from suit they’ve been asking for — so it’s not all roses for Bush on this one.
The civil liability question on this was far from solid, despite the abhorrent governmental conduct. But by not taking the case or not dismissing it outright on state secrets grounds, they leave open the prospect of lots of future challenges from the circuits below instead of shutting them off entirely. Which opens up an entire window of discovery into what the Administration may or may not have been doing in a much more public way through the courts. The SCOTUS simply declined to review the case — they didn’t say there weren’t some merits to it, just not enough to grant it certiorari.
Ed*ard Teller @ 33
do you know what percentage of the uninsured kids in florida are citizens? (as they are the only ones who would be covered by schip)
selise @ 56
I have no idea. Just doing Alaska research, and came across the FL figure.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
Thank you. It pays (in a totally non-fiduciary way) to have a lawyer-type around these parts for this stuff.
brendan @ 52
Several articles at Information Clearing house
http://www.informationclearing…..e18523.htm
Must watch video at Info clearing house
http://www.informationclearing…..e17525.htm
perris @ 51
Yup, that’s the House bill that was worked on with the ACLU and which Glenn Greenwald has said is a much better bill than the abominable sell-out-to-Bush bill in the Senate.
Call your Congresscritters:
http://www.house.gov
http://www.senate.gov
One is left wondering whether the International Courts can deal with this otherwise how in the hell can anyone get any bloody justice.
It is time for this administration to be dragged through the Hague one at a time, tried, convicted and sentenced. FDL protocols forbids me stating what I think should be done to these bastards
at think progress
Gates v. Cheney on Iran?
Defense Secretary Robert Gates is reportedly the administration’s “chief opponent of air strikes and is the main reason President George W.Bush has yet to resort to military action.” The UK Telegraph reports: “Pentagon sources say Mr Gates is waging a subtle campaign to undermine the Cheney camp by encouraging the army’s senior officers to speak frankly about the overstretch of forces, and the difficulty of fighting another war.” October 8, 2007
perris @ 46
Good gravy no! I am a complete techno tard. It took me months to figure out how to put a YouTube up, and then I still did wrong and Christy had to fix it.
Mod powers in my hands could only lead to a complete collapse of the servers.
[You made the moderator laugh]
FWIW, today is the 40th anniversary of the execution of Che Guevara. Democracy Now covers it.
Just fu**ing great!!!
OT
Lhp France was spectacular against the All Blacks…what do ya think?
Phoenix Woman @ 60
W/call Waxman’s office, also DiFi & Boxer when I get in to work, along w/my usual list of critters from places I’ve lived across the U.S. Busy fax/phone morning, & it’s so worth the time…
Read you all later :)
OT–
For FDLers on Israel watch:
Mods:
Is my 67 in moderation because of A*P*C?
Here are some of the things you have to pretend to believe to be a gooper..
Global warming is a hoax
It’s a crime to make medical use of fertilized eggs that would otherwise sit in a freezer for twenty years and then get flushed down the toilet.
If you lower tax rates, you end up with more tax money- no matter how many times you do it.
The best way to get peace is by picking a war.
If ya wear a condom while yer fuckin- God will make yer dick fall off.
No wonder they learn to lie early.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
Rudy’s been the self-anointed reincarnation of the Gipper.
Nonesense– Dubya is the Reagan conservative- but he’s not in the race. The only Reagan conservative that IS in the race is dumb Freddie Thompson
Biodun #67
Thought this was fitting for today
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
Christy, my bad, I haven’t been following this case. Is this the case with the Bivens claim? Did SCOTUS or the Ct of Appeals say thet qualified immunity was present?
The reason I ask is b/c I wonder if the existance of the torture memos was a factor in a qualified immunity determination?
For example, you are a CIA interrigator. You get instructions from your boss to use torture. You say “is that within my job description?” Your boss comes back with a memo form the Office of Legal Counsel that says it is.
Voila, you have qualified immunity. EVEN IF THE MEMO IS INCORRECT, as long as you had some good faith basis for believing it to be correct. And when was the last time a court ruled that a layperson in gov’t could not rely on an opinion memo done by gov’t lawyers?
Christy, on your “breaking” addition to this post, I have some trouble in understanding the result.
It was my understanding per CNN’s description and discussion of the SCOTUS ruling, that the plaintiff has just basically lost all avenues to go any further.
Your description seems to imply that the door is still open for this “plaintiff” or are you saying it is still open for other and future plaintiffs?
Doesn’t the SCOTUS refusal to take the case imply acceptance of any lower courts’ rulings?
Educate this poor ol’ son. *g*
Meanwhile, have folks talked about this one?
And the drumbeat in MSM is that all eyes will be on Fred Thompson tonight. Poor Fred.
nomolos @ 65
I think and England France matchup will be fun. Since Ex-Mr. Prop is originally form South Africa, we have always been big Springbock fans in this house, so You know how I want that half of the semi-finals to turn out.
I had fun the other night watching french language news on PBS. Almost the whole broadcast was about the win over the All Blacks. i was a bit sad, I’ve always been an All Blacks fan. But I hate hate hate the new All Blacks jerseys. The Old ones were so classy. The new ones look like crap
rwcole @ 71
It shouldn’t be long before Reagan fans begin to disparage Bush as a fake Reagan conservative.
Ed*ard Teller @ 64
All the people he responsible for murdering will probably celebrate huh?
Biodun — your comment was released within seconds. Truly, a tiny bit of patience can be a huge virtue for the mods. Thanks.
raven @ 79
One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist
Former President Carter on the Rehm show
Wearing the tinfoil hat,
I suspect the AQ is so heavily infiltrated by spooks it’s hard to believe that they are actually more foe than “friend”.
Having AQ with it’s vids and threats works like a charm… the one Naomi Klein wrote about recently and so take the “enemy” with a huge grain of salt.
One needs to see WHO benefits cui bono from AQ and “islamofascist” terrorism? The presumed benefactor is the menacing terrorists, but how about the “national security state” and the huge industry which has arisen to “make us safe” and fight the nasties in the GWOT? Rudi is running for president on the terrrorism meme. He’s in love with it. It may rehabilitate his sick record as a failed and well hated mayor.
Fact: AQ was created by CIA as the mujahadeem to fight the ruskies in Kabul.
Fact: False flag operations DO take place. Witness the Bogna train station bombings blamed on the Brigadi Rosso, but were done by Italian Intel Operatives. Gulf of Tonkin got us very deeply into a very costly war which we lost… and 9.11 got us into two wars that are costing and we are losing.
Watch kabukis dance around in Potemkin Village.
Do you really believe that 9.11 was pulled of by those 19 slackers with box cutters? Really… with no help? From anyone? Really?
I don’t.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 80
Yeah, I saw that right away. I should have thanked the mods. My bad.
(((((Mods!)))))
Mad Dogs — It is the end of the claim in US courts for this particular plaintiff, but it doesn’t preclude foreign jursidictions from taking the case — in this case Germany, because he is a German national. LHP is right about the Bivens claim coming into play in this one, as I recall, and why the civil case was on less than solid footing from the start in my opinion. (But this is coming from a lawyer who didn’t work on the case, so take that with a grain of salt — it’s just an opinion.)
By denying cert. rather than ruling on the merits, the Court leaves the door wide open for future claims on these types of cases. And doesn’t shut things down entirely with a more sweeping ruling on “state secrets” issues which, considering the make-up of this particular court, is newsworthy on its own.
raven @ 79
Don’t think so. As I said – “for what it’s worth.”
SanderO @ 83
So true but in Homeland New America we do not ask, we do not enquire, we not question we OBEY.
Ed*ard Teller @ 87
I know, nothin personal.
Katz is also the (at the time anonymous) author of a book, “Terrorist Hunter”, which details a lot of the bureacratic failures in the counterterrorism community.
Torture:
I don’t think anyone with half a brain uses torture to get the “truth” from anyone. They know that the tortured will say anything they need to get. But the real reason is to terrorize the rest of us to fear being tortured… essentially for no reason than to intimidate a population. It’s why they kill someone in front of others… or behead someone… to strike terror in the witnesses.
WE ALL ARE BEING TERRORIZED BY TORTURE. Where but for the grace of god go I. Anyone is fair game because the information is NOT the objective. It’s the message of cruelty you receive if you step out of line… and even if you THINK about stepping out of line.
The USA is using shock and awe.. terror tactics on anyone who doesn’t buy their myths.
Marie Roget @ 66
I’m at work w/ little time to ck in. Does this mean all the naysayers were wrong? Or is the capitulation bill going to be introduced in the Senate?
The USA has NOT abandoned nor renounced extraordinary rendition.
They want anyone and everyone to live in fear that they too can be disappeared to some dark hell hole and be tortured and no one will do a thing for them. They like this idea out there in circulation around the world. We are watching and we can snatch you from anywhere… in America, Europe, Asia, S America or Africa. We have ears allover and we are listening.
ot – the All Blacks even dislike the new jerseys…they weren’t allowed to wear the ones they wanted to wear.
The islands of New Zealand are plunged in mourning (and rage). What happened in that game? I’ve yet to see any of it and haven’t had the nerve to read about it.
Here’s Glenn Greenwald talking today about the NYTimes article I linked to in my 75:
And Greenwald gives FDL a shoutout in his post today…
just got this via email from Siun (it’s not even posted yet on the HJC website):
important markup hearing tomorrow:
i’ve updated the weekly hearing list with more details.
Christy’s upstairs…with a call to action on FISA stuff in Congress.
Like I have been suggesting for the last 6 years. We should all be referring to the GOP as the REPUBLICANTS. Obviously IQ or common sense weren’t part of the requirements that got these turds voted into office. Oh, sorry I forgot about the Ohio/Florida debacles. NOT. Do they think that there are really left and right socks? Hmmm. I wonder…the can’t do shit right party. Has a ring to it.
Fresh post for everyone, up and running if you want it…
1,622 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“Rank incompetence and utter lack of care for long term consequences to all of us,…slack-assed inattention to detail and long held security and need to know protocols.”
Don’t accuse me of bein’ a wigged-out paranoid, my tinfoil hat is firmly in place, thank you very much…but I want to know how long it’s gunna take for someone with your intelligence and experience in investigation to begin to question the “incompetence” or “poor dumb frat-boy” cover for a much more sinister reality. It seems to me that we now have a pattern that reeks of not incompetence but design, in fact, the “incompetence” cover is beginnin’ ta look a lot like the “one lone nut” theory of assinations and bombings.
Let’s take a look:
1. The president is warned directly in August of 2001 that AQ is plannin’ ta run planes into stuff, then on 9/11/01 AQ runs planes into the Trade Center and the Pentagon.
2. Within dayz of the attack Bin Laden relatives and Saudi Royals and their cohorts are whisked outta the country under US government cover.
3. Bin Laden is pinned down and a dead duck in Afghanistan but the military is told ta back off.
4. The CIA operation directly responsible for monitorin’ nuclear proliferation and weapons of mass destruction is exposed by “incompetent” government politicos so now the only folks who now about illegal or threatening proliferation are the corporations who are sponsorin’ it.
5. The Pakistani operation controlled by the Brits that has direct connections to AQ in Pakistan is exposed by a US government leak.
6. After almost a week of warnin’ from the National Weather Service that a “5″ hurricane is likely, the “incompetent” federal government goes ta sleep and then assaults the wounded city and hundreds of thousands of its population with “incompetent” FEMA and highly competent Blackwater mercenaries.
7. The “incompetent” US government attacks a defenseless sovereign nation with inadequate forces, hollows out the military, contracts out essential military services and then looses all control of the corporate mercenaries who are put in charge of security for those personnel who may be in a position to blow the whistle on the whole corrupt operation.
The situation we are in is not a consequence of “incompetent” political leadership, it is the result of a highly competent and terribly corrupt fascist intelligence that has been growin’ in place for over 50 years.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!
Norske at 101 — Yes, I’ll get right on that in my copious spare time… *g*
Its not incompetence, Christy.
Its seditious opportunism.
This crew does not giving an ‘eff how many lives they endanger in prosecuting their propaganda war.
Praedor Atrebates @ 35 – does that help to reverse the insanity of the last seven (so far) years?
nomolos @ 65
Kiwis are in shock.
NZ Expat, now in KS @ 94 – I watched a video of the game – my impression: France actually played a very strategic game and the All Blacks seemed somewhat clueless when it mattered most.
By contrast, take a look at competence:
“”We got more information out of a German general with a game of chess or Ping-Pong than they do today, with their torture,” said Henry Kolm, 90, an MIT physicist who had been assigned to play chess in Germany with Hitler’s deputy, Rudolf Hess.
“Fort Hunt’s Quiet Men Break Silence on WWII
Interrogators Fought ‘Battle of Wits’”
washingtonpost.com
Err……..guys? That SITE site? It’s completely bogus.
I mean, come one! Did you actually fall for the “Grecian Formula” Osama? How many of you actually watched that “presentation”? Not many, I would imagine, as if you did, you’d know that after this dubbed old video of a much younger Osama got to the point where he was referencing current events…the image froze, and all you heard was his supposed voice! Do you not get how feeble this was as an attempt to pretend that Osama the boogy-man is still alive and well? I’ve heard the most ridiculous notions advanced as to what was up with his beard but nobody bothered with the obvious: It’s a very old video that they chopped up in the most ridiculous way, counting on the likelyhood that you wouldn’t bother to actually watch it and would simply accept the media telling you that it was all bona fide.
Wake up folks. SITE is a group whose intention is to advance and continue never ending war and it fabricates bin Laden videos. End of story.
nomolos @ 61
If we don’t stop this then what is to protect any American citizen abroad from being kidnapped tortured and then dumped out in the backside of Albania or Kazakhstan or Namibia or in the outback of Australia?
Bush obviously doesn’t care about that, but Congress should. After all, there are times they and their families will be traveling abroad.