Last Friday I wrote about about how the political environment favors progressive primary challengers to the Bush Dogs who are dragging the Democratic Party down morally and electorally. While I still think I’m right about the landscape, it has not translated into actual primary challengers:
Despite the disdain towards the Democratic Congress, Donna Edwards, Rosemary Palmer and Mark Pera are the only strong primary challengers I know of that are taking on an incumbent (correct me if I’m wrong here). There may be others, but not very many. With over 80 Democrats voting for a supplemental war funding bill, and several voting against SCHIP, it’s pretty clear that these people, despite the phone calls and letters from voters, don’t have to respond to pressure if they don’t want to. This seems to be systemic. Consider that in 2006, Ned Lamont was the only person who would step up to challenge Lieberman, despite Lieberman’s obvious right-wing extremism. Lamont, a neophyte candidate, was willing to learn on the fly, but it says something that the mayors of the two largest cities in Connecticut fought a vicious primary over who would get crushed by a beloved Republican Governor instead of going up against Lieberman.
Something is very wrong. Politicians are calculating risk-takers, and that these Connecticut politicians thought going after Rell was a better bet than going after Lieberman suggests that there was a serious market failure here. And that the weak Democratic Congress has seen very limited primary energy confirms that this market failure may have gotten worse.
Stoller speculates on why this is: Specifically, the difficulty of connecting potential candidates with potential supporters; the incumbents’ built-in resource advantage (or perceived advantage); and the party establishment’s hostility and vindictiveness towards primary challengers.
This is very bad. As we have seen over the past 6+ years, any time politicians can act without fear of any consequences, electoral or otherwise, the outcome is disaster. Of course, for the Democrats, the impunity is one-way: They fear the Republicans, but view us as merely irrelevant and impotent nuisances who will grit our teeth and support them because we have no alternatives.
So the question is, how do we fix this? Obviously we can’t just make primary opponents appear. Stoller recommends that the netroots support progressive primary challengers wherever they appear, to encourage any potential candidates who might otherwise be scared off by the fundraising and resource challenges.
I think this idea would have the desired effect, and would eventually lead to more and better primary candidates. But I have to wonder if it’s sustainable. If we give to every progressive challenger out there, regardless of viability, will there be enough money left for Edwards, Palmer, and Pera to win their campaigns? I’d like to think there is, and that political donations are not a zero sum game, but many of us only have so much money to spend, and we want to get the most bang for our buck.
What we really need is an organization that can hook challengers up with potential donors, preferably in their own state or district. I’m not sure if collecting an actual pool of money would work, since that might pose campaign finance problems. More like an information resource about what donors are available and how much they’d be willing to give to get rid of their unfriendly neighborhood Bush Dog.
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Eli!!
LL!!
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Sorry tonight’s post is kinda depressing…
Welcome home, LL. Tell me…does England swing like a pendulum do?
Hey Eli. I can personally assure you that the prospect of a primary challenge is making current Congressmen quake in their boots.
Hi Eli!
LL!
egregious @ 6
I sure hope so, although I’m not really seeing it. I’d rather see *actual* challenges, though.
CD @ 5
Thanks! And yes, it definitely do ;-)
Hi Elliott!
LoudounLib @ 9
I think the correct answer is “Yeah, baby!”
Eli @ 4
It’s ok, Eli — actually it’s a good thing. Since I was away last week I’ve been missing out on the outrage!
LoudounLib @ 12
I’m sure it didn’t take too long to get caught up.
egregious @ 6
You said this earlier today, and I only wish you could be more specific! *g*
Not a primary challenge but Angie Paccione dropped out of the CO-4 race..another too bad.
Eli @ 13
No, not too long at all. And I got to see a bit of outrage in the UK as both the Tories and Labour were picking on Gordon Brown…
TeddySanFran @ 14
Are you speaking of Repugs or Dems? Hope they all are quaking.
It takes a special kind of person to even be able to run for office imo.
LoudounLib @ 1
Stranger! How was Liverpool?
Elliott @ 18
Agreed. I sure as hell couldn’t do it. I don’t have the energy, commitment, savvy, charisma… I should probably just stop now…
Eli @ 20
me either!
I think it’s true that there are not an infinite number of dollars to go to primary challengers, so it is at least a little zero-sumish.
That said, I am more than interested in cutting checks to people who won’t roll over when Bush says boo, the terrorists are coming…or to an entity such as Primary Challengers R-Us.
Eli @ 4
Not really, thinking isn’t necessarily depressing.
We need a Club For Growth on the left. Somehow, those wackjob candidates on the right connect with the funding sources to challenge reasonable or center-right GOPs in safe GOP districts. The GOP has learned that their only challenge in gerrymandered districts will come from their right. This leads to Broder & Pals moaning about extremism. But extremism isn’t the result; a rightward drift is.
How shall we fund a Club For Growth? Democratic candidates in safe-Dem districts shouldn’t be BushDogs or even BlueDogs — they should be our most stalwart progressive allies.
Especially when one of the most liberal and progressive cities in the country has essentially lost its voice by having our Congresswoman make history as the first woman Speaker!
Speaking of running for office, MSNBC has “them” talking about the economy. Ron Paul sounds more like a Democrat about the economy than Nancy Pelosi.
CTuttle @ 19
CT, I’ll get with ya later at Late Nite ;-)
Sparkatus @ 22
Yep. I stand by what I said in the previous post, that we should be withholding money from DCCC/DSCC and their pet wankers, and focusing it on actual progressives.
For those lucky people who wind up maxed out on donations yet still have money to burn, may I recommend backing a means of leveling the playing field?
I speak, of course, of http://www.PublicCampaign.org.
Eli @ 20
Put out attack ads in the Blue Dogs’ districts, it wouldn’t embolden the Repugs, it would merely turn up the fire on the barbeque…!!! Seriously!
Fred Thompson looks like hell.
Marion in Savannah @ 24
The GOP is gonna have to “do something” about Ron Paul. I fully expect him to upset their applecart bigtime.
TeddySanFran @ 23
Yes, strategizing and planning is good. But the fact that there are so few primary challengers is very troubling.
Eli @ 20
King-Maker is more apropo…!!! ;-)
LL!
So glad you’re back.
CTuttle @ 32
I think Joker-Maker is probably more my speed…
TeddySanFran @ 23
As Joe Conason has said, there’s a ton of ultra-rich lefties out there; the problem is that, unlike the righties who early on understood the need to fund think tanks and buy up media, the rich lefties are penny-wise and pound-foolish.
Or Dogcatcher-Maker…
Loo Hoo. @ 29
Wait until you see him struggle not to say “recession” — he remembers it’s a bad word. Finally, he croaks out “economic downturn” after about 10 seconds of studly pondering.
Or would you rather not have spoilers? *g*
TeddySanFran @ 30
I think they’ll keep him around to point to as the loon in the bunch. However, that may bite them where it hurts because he’s speaking truth.
TeddySanFran @ 30
Superlative rants during the debate…!!! 8-)
Ron Paul will save us all!!!
We, I believe, are in the midst of a tectonic struggle for the mind, heart and soul of the Democratic Party. This may well be ‘make it, or break it’ for at least the next several years.
TeddySanFran @ 37
Spoilers are fine, Teddy. This whole thing smells like rotten eggs. What is the deal with flat taxes? No write off for mortgage interest?
Ooooh, here’s Rudy lying about what he did in NY. He was roundly booed at Yankee Stadium, which gladdens my heart.
“They” who call Ron Paul a loon, will end up looking the fool. He may not win but he is consistent and conservative and a lot of “staunch” conservatives love him. They want him badly (and I can understand why) and when he doesn’t get the nomination many supporters will vote D.
Eli @ 36
Carpe Diem!!! ;-)
CTuttle @ 45
Carpe Canis?
It’s fun to watch Mitt and Rudy spat with each other, with Frederick of Hollywood standing there between them like a sequoia, except stupider.
Marion in Savannah @ 43
That’s why doe-si-do renamed him Boody!
What “we” need is a 3rd party that is actually progressive. The Demo’s (w/ a possible half dozen exceptions) are “me-too” ReThugs, devoted to corporate rule, endless war, etc.
Why would they pick ineffective, lackluster leaders like Pelosi & Reid were it otherwise?
3 wks. after they spit in MoveOn’s face for simply telling the truth, why would any progressive support the Demos?
Eli @ 40
“It’s a bird! It’s a plane!”
Eli @ 46
707!!!
I hoped for primary challenges to Rahm and Steny. But think of the risk: you’re challenging the head honcho in the CD, asking people to work and vote for you instead of the guy they’ve worked for and voted for forever. If you lose, you’ll be lucky to get to be a precinct captain.
Better to hope that Rahm and Steny get nice cushy corporate-kissing jobs in the next Democratic administration and some great progressive steps up to succeed them.
Nice pic Eli. I need to get a pic of the big RP sign on the way to the lake. It says” Ron Paul 2008 REVOLlution. Very rural and conservative. Not many W stickers these days.
Last night I happened upon a local candidate interviewed on the local cable access channel.
He’s a total rightie, he’s not getting my vote, but it makes me realize we have to nurture our newbies at the most local of levels.
Fred notes that there have been more jobs gained. “Want fries with that?”
TeddySanFran @ 52
Mighty big If’s…!!! 8-(
Someone should put a list together of all the things the Bush Administration has not been held accountable for.
MarktheSpark @ 49
A third party would be nice, but how does it attain viability? I don’t think the threat of spoiler candidates is enough to make the Democrats act progressive, and they *are* still considerably better than Republicans. F’rinstance, while they may not actually make much of an effort to *oppose* unnecessary and destructive wars, I think they’re still a lot less likely to actually start them.
Even if they’re still driving us off the cliff, at least they’re not flooring the accelerator.
Elliott @ 54
School boards and city councils are really important. That’s where the seeds are planted.
Bags under his Eyes is saying that manufacturing prices are set internationally! Isn’t that cute?
FairTax
As for the problem being discussed in this post…depressing. I don’t see what egregious is seeing (no offense egreg!) wrt pressure on Bush Dogs. Getting progressives to challenge incumbents requires a lot of money if you’re serious about the race, with the reality that you will probably lose. Sadly I don’t have an answer. Paging George Soros…
Everythingseemssoneat @ 57
I think Hugh already has it.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 57
Ah, setup line…
Hugh’s List.
Marion in Savannah @ 47
707 !
Everythingseemssoneat @ 57
Well, here’s a start.
List of Bush scandals
This link is updated as needed, I believe most recently as of 10/7/07.
What Eli said.
So then, is the choice for us Democrats in 2008 one of electability or principle?
Everythingseemssoneat @ 57
Heh, Unfortunately, that would be everything on Hugh’s extensive list…!!! ;-)
I don’t like the debates because I feel like I’m getting jipped on normal conditioning.
Twain @ 59
That’s how the the neocons and theocrats started creeping up the political food chain.
The more intriguing question is, has there ever been anything that BushCo. *has* been held accountable for?
Outing Plame probably came the closest, but Scooter Libby losing his job and getting fined is not much of a comeuppance.
what we really need is a Party! What we really need no longer exists in this country.
It is all bullshit. Watch SCHIP go down in flames! Watch FISA burn! Watch Voting rights become a joke. Who can name some others?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 68
I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive.
Elliott @ 18
I think you overestimate the qualifications. I would be proud to support any fellow FDL poster with whom I am familiar. I have faith that any of you would be better than the status quo. I once ran for city council in my town and lost. The guy who beat me ran for mayor later and won. He slinked away during the latter part of his mayoral term in a scandal. The newspaper had endorsed him when he and I were candidates for the city council seat. They picked the wrong guy.
CTuttle and Marion in Savannah- Has Speaker Pelosi been notified?
Eli @ 72
Well, we’ve certainly had a lot of resignations of late…!!! ;-)
TeddySanFran @ 61
Whoa. Time to get into the garage sale business.
Two years or less from now, regarding Rove, Cheney and Bush, all will be forgotten.
Eli @ 72
At least the White House press corps is being punished. Having to attend to Dana Perino’s every word has got to be excruciating.
OOOOH — let’s elect Mitt. He’s gonna go to work for Michigan. Um, Mitt, I’m in Georgia…
Good Evening, Friends,
(loo hoo ygm)
I agree with TSF that thinking is not necessarily depressing. Once you’ve taken the oath to follow politics with a progressive, determined eye, you take it All On and deal with it. Not easily done, but dems da breaks.
The only way we can even begin to make a change is to Know What’s Going On.
Marion in Savannah @ 81
Mittchigan?
Marion in Savannah @ 71
Exactly – and we’re smarter than they are, aren’t we? Do I hear an amen?
Oh, I think in the world envisioned by the GOP, your neighbors will be encouraged to inform on any any unauthorized garage sales….
Eli @ 74
I do not disagree with that. Who then is the best choice for ‘08?
TeddySanFran @ 80
I’m telling ya, Josh was dead on with the parallels to Ari and the Libby Leak…!!!
Eli @ 83
707!!!
Twain @ 84
Amen!
The first election I could vote in was 1992. I was campus campaign manager for Jerry Brown in the primaries. I witnessed firsthand how the corporate interests steamrolled their way, and utilized the Noize Machine (which protects status-quo candidates from either party by the way) to silence any challenge. It was already a well-oiled machine back then.
Then, we get the Clinton years. Much has been made of NAFTA, Telecommunications Act of 96, and many others, and recently there was a post here about Clinton’s deregulation of the meatpacking industry causing all sorts of problems today. But many Liberals will start chastising people like me about not being happy with “the peace and prosperity” during the Clinton years. This is woefully ignorant.
All the while, these same Liberals go on and on about the lesser of two evils, and saying those truly Liberal candidates who are out there don’t stand a chance or are unelectable. Thankfully, the blogosphere has come along and we’re able to have some successes like exposing LieberME for what he really is, even though many were screaming about him even before Gore picked as VP, thereby losing the election in 2000.
I’m so tired of this dynamic. Electing another Clinton will just continue this song and dance, and they’ll throw us Liberals just enough bones to keep the base complacent enough to keep electing the Conglomerate candidates, who are really there to do their masters’ biddings.
We have to keep the pressure on, and supporting people of principle. This isn’t a marathon…it’s one of those cross-country endurance races. Lace ‘em up!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 86
I like Dodd, but Gore is still my first choice if by some happy miracle he runs.
When my sisters and I were in school, my father ran for school board and won. He had no political ambitions tho, did it because he wanted input on his kids’ education.
The answer is very simple: if you don’t like the Democrat, vote Republican in the general election. I’ve been doing it since the first year of Bill Clinton’s first term. It kind of grows on you.
–mort
Marion in Savannah @ 81
Mitt would like America to think he’s from Michigan. Later, you will hear him talk about introducing health care in his state. Briefly — and in a state he does not name.
He announced his candidacy in Michigan. His dad was governor of Michigan and he’d like America to think he was as well.
Plus the debate’s in Michigan and he’s pandering to the Michigan GOP for (prohibited) applause.
Elliott @ 92
See there? You’re a natural!
Loo Hoo. @ 29
Must be a good day then. He usually looks worse.
Hugh @ 96
Uhoh, his ears musta reddened…!!!
bonkers @ 90
that’s really interesting to hear about your experiences with the Jerry Brown’s campaign and the corporate influence.
I think that’s a really cool idea. Progressives should leverage social information technologies that are inherently open. Seems like conservatives stay away, since they want more top-down control.
CTuttle @ 97
With whose blood???
Moriarity @ 93
Oh. So you’re part of the problem… Thanks.
hackworth @ 95
lmao!
that would be a wonder of wonders, miracle of miracles!
CTuttle @ 56
I think one angle that helps sell the idea is that maybe these guys end up buying you off with some other plum. They don’t need the embarassment of a primary challenge.
These guys have to be made to earn it. Third party is a tough sell. It’s simply the math of our 50% 1 electoral system.
TeddySanFran @ 85
True. Sound rather Orwellian, doesn’t it.
Sure beginning to look as if it will be Hillary vs. Rudy or Freddie. Gotta go with Hillary in that case.
Seems to me that Edwards is the best of the electables- but he’s laggin way behind.
The electables at this stage seem to be the top three. Giving money to anyone else is a waste.
As far as the third party debate goes, this year I’d love to see the other side let The Family Values/Christian Fundamentalist crowd form one. Let THEM be the ones to gore their own ox.
Moriarity @ 93
Which republic would be worthy of a vote?
Nixon harpooned Thompson from the grave with his spot-on-33-years-later “Dumb as hell…but friendly” description of the young Watergate-era Thompson – found on one of the very tapes that Dead Fred used to make his name…
heh, heh…how ’bout that karma?
rwcole @ 105
There’s no way Fred makes it to the finish line. He’s *already* phoning it in. It’s gonna be Rudy.
I also like Edwards the best out of the top three, but he seems to lack something as a campaigner.
TeddySanFran @ 94
Mitt’s a sneaky campaigner. It speaks volumes about the condition of the mind of the average voter – that he will fool thousands of them with such simple trickery. The SOB was the governor of Massachusetts – the northeastern liberal state with a gay marriage law that IIRC, he helped to enact.
One way to defeat BushDogs and BlueDogs is to starve the DCCC. Its role is to elect Democrats to the House, and they really don’t care what kind of Democrats. We may be past the bad days when Rahm recruited former GOPs, party-straddling Dems, and non-resident war heros to run for Congress, but the DCCC still will support any and all Democratic incumbents.
Until they have so little money that they have to prioritize, the DCCC will fund the SCHIP-5 for re-election regardless of their veto override vote. But if their bank accounts get low, and great progressives elsewhere are challenging GOPs in swing districts, maybe Chris Van Hollen won’t provide as much fundage to the BlueDogs and BushDogs.
Don’t fund the DCCC. Fund Blue America instead.
I have decided this. The number one imperative is to rid ourselves of the Republicans. Then go after the Blue Dogs. With a vengeance.
radiofreewill, I remember watching him during the Watergate hearings. He hasn’t gotten any brighter… Karma’s a bitch!
rwcole @ 105
It’s a hell of a way to choose a candidate if we let media elites and Iowa and New Hampshire polls choose our candidate before a single vote is cast.
radiofreewill @ 108
Double-edged sword…!!! ;-)
Too behind comments to keep up.
What is needed is an organization that can articulate policy and direct constituents towards donor pools. While it is hard to find viable candidates that support progressive ideals it is equally challenging to bring correct information to the voters. An information resource is critical. An information resource has value for a candidate but is ever more so important for the constituents. People will support progressive policy if that policy is understood and channeling that donor pool is a small portion of the problem.
Good post Eli
TeddySanFran @ 23
You could look at the Pelosi situation that way; or….
You could realize that now that crunch time is here it’s much, much easier to see who our friends are and who needs to just…..
Go.
DiFi, Boxer, Pelosi…Year of the Woman’ my ass. They all need to go and….
They will since the citizenry has already had it’s fill of Iraq, the ‘Capitulation Caucus’, FISA and we’ve still got, what? 16 months of so before Bush leaves and Her Royal Clintoness is anointed?
Then all the problems Bush created for the ‘Democrat’ Party will be for them to solve. And they have no freakin’ clue as to how to do that. They’re just like the ReThugs; interested in only one thing. Getting elected.
Off year elections in 2010 are gonna be beeeeeeotch fer Miss Nancy, ‘Rabbit’ Rahm and ‘Gutless’ Reid.
‘Cause we of Free Left Blogistan and the rest of the Democratic base and all the Independents are gonna ‘Take out the Trash!’
Haven’t gotten into a primary battle since McCarthy. Since then- I just figure I’ll support whoever gets the nomination.
Eli @ 100
HA! Like it’s dripping down from his face to his ears. Where the heck is darkblack? I know he’s been overtime lately. (Or is darkblack a she?)
rwcole @ 105
business doesn’t seem to like him much.
rwcole @ 105
That’s certainly a self-fulfilling prophecy. Especially after TradMed’s big Hillary September push.
Hugh @ 114
Don’t wish to be rude but I am really sick of those 2 states. I don’t feel as if anything counts after their “meetings” or whatever they are.
Eli @ 109
Oops, forgot to say: Iraq could be the key to the Democratic nomination. None of the top three would commit to getting troops out by 2013(!). If second-tier candidates like Dodd or Richardson can get the word out and get some traction on this, they might be able to climb over the frontrunners.
Hugh @ 114
*sigh* I so like DK! However, I shall cast my primary vote for Edwards!!!
rwcole @ 118
I gotta vote in the primary. When I am forced to hold my nose and
pull the levertouch the screen for the national candidate I can at least whisper to myself “at least I tried….”Eli
I like Dodd and Richardson- but they’ve got to get above 10% soon to have a shot—
This is going to be like no other primary season- in Jan. we have Iowa- and then- don’t look up- cause in a flash it’s all gonna be over.
Not much time for someone to emerge from the pack and gain momentum.
Marion in Savannah @ 106
Lotsa folks will come over the the Democratic winner in that case. Americans like to vote for winners, and a split GOP is a loser. I was surprised to hear Brownback say he’d support the eventual GOP nominee, and a little disappointed. He’d be a great theocratic third party candidate, but I think he’s Dr Dobson’s choice for the GOP.
I don’t want to see another Democratic president elected by less than 50% of the voters. Big majorities in 2008, please, and over 400 electoral votes.
Loo Hoo. @ 119
darkblack scares me! ;)
tw3k @ 116
Thanks!
The two are definitely not mutually exclusive, and the information resource probably would not require a whole lot of funding.
hackworth @ 110
I’m wondering if Ron Paul mightn’t upset the Rethug applecart. He’s prolife, for one thing. Anti patriot act, wants to get out of Iraq. I mean, what more could a Rethug disenchanted with Bush want?
tw3k @ 116
Good post yourself tw3k! I support that 100% and the little money I contribute goes to Blue America progressives. It just feels like baby steps.
Marion in Savannah @ 125
If Cole is right, then we all need to vote for edwards in the primary. I prefer Kucinich over the lot of them too.
Marion
Oh I VOTE in the primary- but I don’t contribute or knock on doors or volunteer- etc.
Marion in Savannah @ 125
Yes’m, my sentiments too…!!!
hackworth @ 132
I voted for Edwards in the primary in 2004, and will do so again this year. He’s the real deal.
I plan to vote for Edwards–unless Richardson or Dodd have gained a head of steam by then.
Hugh @ 114
I agree, which is why I’m somewhat sympathetic to the efforts of Michigan and Florida. However, *that* direction’s a dead end, unless we want primaries for the next prez to occur sometime later in the same month as the inauguration of the just elected prez :-/
My thought: There’s 50 states. Hold two (or three) primaries per week until all are done. Which states do theirs when is chosen at random after the presidential election (gives states four years to prepare for the proper date).
But it won’t ever happen…
rwcole @ 133
WHEW!!! You had me worried there!
Loo Hoo. @ 119
One of the remaining Digbyian mysteries.
Tell me something. How much more Blue Dog can you get than the DLC?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 140
None. None… more Blue Dog.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 140
Can’t get any more blue dog than that. Might even call ‘em Bush Dogs.
Eli @ 129
aye, maybe some funding could towards OLPC. It is both educational and had information dispersal built-in.
finding a person to run against incumbents is hard b/c most folk know the run is rigged for the incumbent…so it takes lots of money….dedication to the challenger and lots of community workers….now how to do all of this??? i’m sure folks here know this
Dead Fred? Is that the same as saying he is a late Fred, as in a defunct, expired, passed on, crossed the bar, no longer with us, pushing up daisies, bought the farm, kicked the bucket, pulseless, glazed eyed, decomposing, no more, gone, former Fred?
rat bastahd @ 131
Thanks! And yup, even for poor sob’s like myself every letter, conversation, every interaction counts.
tw3k @ 143
Oh yah, I read Pogue’s review in NYT. Way way cool.
Wow! Ron Paul just got a round of applause that was cut off for speaking out against the drumbeat to attack Iran. Interesting response from the, I’m assuming pre-chosen, audience.
And there’s St. McCain’s warning that we’re about to bomb the shit out of them…
Eli @ 109
I think he’s giving it up that he’s pissed off that he’s not in the lead. He should be. But if he cools his heels a bit, maybe he could be VP and his turn will come. No?
I wonder how often this is a consideration in finding candidates?
My best friend’s mother then ran for school board, she eventually became president of the board. Now that woman would have made a great candidate for the state legislature, and she considered it. But in the end, her husband’s business interests pushed her away from the idea.
Eli, thanks for this post and for the questions you raise.
Can’t stop thinking about ‘em.
Before I describe one possible lever of progressive power, I’d like to encourage commenters to put on their factual caps and recognize visceral responses.
I’m writing about tactics, not viscera.
Well, kinda.
The GOP keep their pols in line with fear.
In safe Blue States (DiFi/Boxer in CA) incumbent Dems fear their right flank, not their left.
We got nuttin.
NRA hurts Rethugs who stray.
I love running progressive pols against Blow Dog Dems. Perfect answer to the (D – Money party) incumbents.
How to hurt Senate Rethugs in Dems’ clothing?
(in the states too big for affordable Dem primary challenges…)
Strategic 3rd party candidates.
Yes, commenters, I’ve heard about Florida and how Gore’s loss was Nader’s fault.
The factual data show:
Why should DLC Dems fear progressives? Where’s our state-wide clout?
crickets
DiFi will f*ck over the whole state to give more than $30 billion of our US taxpayers’ water to fewer than 600 families. She votes for Iraq war, Isr**l’s wars, torture, secret police, polluters, and prisons – and Executive War on Iran.
So even if too many CA progressives voted Green (or purple, or whatever) – DiFi would be replaced by a Rethug.
With votes just like DiFi’s votes.
Of course, Federal judiciary and Executive appointments would be in Rethug hands…..
the same people DiFi votes with now.
Against us.
Why vote for consonants?
DC is about power.
Support progressive alternatives where we can; hurt the Money party Dems wherever it won’t cost a seat.
They don’t worry about hurting us – so long as they keep power.
Just like the Representatives, the Senators will listen best when they fear us.
We’re “playing” (for our survival – and the planet’s) against the megacorps.
If we can’t pay bigger bribes, how do we (non-violently and legally) elicit greater fear?
Nader garnered over 95,000 votes in Florida. Do you still want to punish democrats?
Oh, and found out that there’s someone running against the Repug in CA-48. I got all excited, until I learned that he’s run against Campbell for years. Although Young seems decent enough on paper (or website): maybe his train will come in this year.
Of course it means I’ve already voted for him. I’ve always voted for anyone BUT Campbell, but didn’t bother to learn more about his opponents. Hrm…
Eli @ 141
if I scratched Rahm, would he bleed blue?
Marion in Savannah @ 135
Eighty to ninety percent of New Hampshire voters haven’t made up their mind; the polls you see are after they are pressed to make a choice (”if the election were today….”). Three-quarters of Iowa voters haven’t decided, and won’t until the final week. Plus, caucusing is weird; you have to stand in a corner of the school gym and reach 10 or 15% of the total participating in order to have a viable candidate.
WAG: The first four votes (Iowa, NH, NV, & SC) won’t decide anything. There’ll be an attempted coronation after Super Tuesday (2/5) but I’m not sure anybody will concede. It might be time for everyone to get together on an ABC strategy then (Anybody but Hillary).
Hugh @ 145
your forgot to bang him on the counter.
Hi Eli – missed your 6:25 (verry slow typist cookig dinner here).
Sorry to all my 6:57 is redundant.
(why am I thinking of Monty Python sketches?)
Eli @ 147
Ah, cool! I missed that. How cool would that be to have all our nations youth plugged-in!!!111
OT
I am enjoying looking at this site.
http://www.americaforgore.org/
Look at all the organization for Gore.
Elliott @ 156
brain bleach!!!!! STAT!
Hugh @ 145
Uh, ya about covered them all…!!! ;-)
Hugh @ 145
It’s his debut and his swansong rolled into one. What’s the term for a Broadway show that closes on opening nite?
kirk murphy @ 157
the penguin sitting on your TV set blew up?
A.Citizen @ 117
I hope you’re right, ACitizen, but I fear that you are assuming a lot more from your fellow citizens. Mostly, they follow MSM, and that’s enough as long as we have info like the BinLaden tape leak. There is so much that the average good guy doesn’t know…
peanutbutter @ 160
oh Lordy, that’s not what I meant!!
Think Monty Python!
Oh, I’m so sorry!
TeddySanFran @ 155
Shit, NH needs vamped information dispersal!!!
TeddySanFran @ 162
A flop.
dakine01 @ 167
lol!
kirk murphy @ 151
I actually have no problem with letting Money Party assholes get booted by Republicans as long as Democrats maintain a majority. In most cases, the *only* purpose Bush Dogs serve is to pad Democratic numbers to give them control of committees and subpoenas.
If Dems only need 50% 1 seats to have that control, then why bother preserving “extraneous” Blue Dogs? Toss ‘em over the side as a lesson to others.
With Republicans having to defend 21 out of 33 Senate seats up for grabs, next year might be our best-ever opportunity for that approach.
dakine01 @ 167
In which Fred is overcome with flop sweat…
Weekend at Freddie’s.
-GSD
Just in case Jane is reading:
GSD @ 171
Doh…!!! ;-)
peanutbutter @ 130
Jesus.
I’m beginning to think that my primary vote might do more
goodharm if I voted in the Repug primary down here in Georgia. (It’s an open primary state — you don’t need to declare party affiliation to vote in a primary.) Any thoughts? My vote would go to Ron Paul.Eli @ 91
ReElect President Al Gore 2008!
Gore’s just about out of time to even get on the ballot in many states.
Eli @ 169
“50% *plus* 1″ – I forgot that the plus symbol gets truncated…
rwcole @ 177
I believe he has stated clearly that he doesn’t want to.
juslin @ 144
I don’t. I’ll support and work my arse off for anyone who will run against Issa.
Loo Hoo. @ 174
LOL!
Marion in Savannah @ 175
What about your Democratic primary vote?
Marion in Savannah @ 175
I have mixed feelings about this sort of thing. On the one hand, yeah, it’s tempting to want to saddle the Republicans with someone obviously beyond the pale like Tancredo. On the other hand…what if he wins?
Marion in Savannah @ 55
Last time I heard, it takes 123,000 a month to keep even with demand. Anything less than that is failing to produce. Now they’re bragging about numbers like 89,000 in a month. They never never mention that 123,000 “benchmark.” Nor do the telly-radio-newspeople ever mention the month after month production of over 200,000 jobs per month during the Clinton era.
It’s lookin as if Busby is gonna make another run against Bilbray.. Terrible candidate…She deserves a primary challenge.
Eli @ 169
Oh hell yeah, even finding a true progressive to with nothing more than a door-to-door campaign will force the incumbent to spend money.
While that door-to-door maybe lose it provides valuable information to the people while stressing the republican machine.
rwcole @ 186
sounds like there would also be a lot of name confusion in this race.
Elliott @ 150
There is also the very real possibility that any and every single thing from one’s past will get dreged up and thrown in your face. More and more the dirty tricks are moving farther down the ballot, and attack ads are the norm. How many people can take that kind of scrutiny, not only of themselves, but their spouse and extended family as well? I fear that this is keeping alot of qualified people from even considering a run for office.
Mad Dogs @ 172
707! my bold
Elliott @ 182
Yeah. That’s what gives me nightmares. If it’s close… Also, I think the sweet ladies who are the poll watchers might have heart attacks if I showed up to vote in “their” primary!
There’s nine pro-IrakWar GOPs and one anti-war, Paul. Considering the boutique nature of their second tier’s support (Huckabee=Xtianists, Brownback=OtherXtianists, Tancredo=Bigots, Hunter=defense contractors) why wouldn’t Paul do well among those GOPs who oppose the Preznit and the rotten DeeCee politicians who’ve done the GOP brand wrong?
I think the GOP may very well come close to nominating Ron Paul, but “something” will happen to him to prevent it.
Pelosi says Democrats must do more to stop the war
Zachary Coile, Chronicle Washington Bureau
Tuesday, October 9, 2007
Printable VersionEmail This Article
(10-09) 16:40 PDT Washington – —
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, talking on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the House vote to authorize the Iraq war, acknowledged Tuesday that the failure to end the war is hurting Democrats in Congress and lawmakers will have to take bolder action.
The San Francisco Democrat, in a wide-ranging lunch discussion with reporters, said her party’s successes in passing domestic legislation – such as raising the minimum wage and helping make college more affordable – were being overshadowed.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..&tsp=1
You have to admit — Animatronics has done a superb job with the Mittbot 2.0. They’ve made him look almost human.
newtonusr @ 181
Yeah, but they’d kick the shit outta jesus if they saw em on the street today!
Mad Dogs @ 172
We all go a little mad sometimes…
This nation really is in sad shape. Run by mooks and jagoffs who have no sense or humanity.
-GSD
(How can a 2-minute condensed version of Psycho have, like, a full minute of Janet Leigh driving???)
Dalkenshield @ 184
We also rarely hear about revisions, except those magic upward revisions like for August, from 80,000 jobs to 120,000 jobs. Still too low to meet demand, but how excited Charlie Gibson was last week to convey the great news!
Re posted from earlier thread…when you call about SCHIP also ask her to move the vote back…for Louisiana.
Hey folks this is off topic but Louisiana needs your help.
We have a Governor’s race on October 20th. Kathleen Blanco did not run for re-election. The favorite is Representative Bobby Jindal (R). He is one of the abslolute worst Republican Rubber Stamps. We have a newspaper in New Orleans that refuses to print the truth about this guy.
The truth is he missed the first SCHIP vote. He could give a crap about SCHIP. He would love to see it go away. It is his ideology, just like the President.
Since our media is owned lock stock and barrel by the Republican party, we figure the SCHIP vote will go down like this.
Two days before the Election for Governor of Louisiana Bobby Jindal will ride into DC and help Pelosi override the President’s veto. The media in Louisiana will declare him a hero for voting for the one piece of legislation that he despises. He will then win the Governorship because in Louisiana if you win 50% of the vote in the Primary, you win. There is no separate Dem and Rethug primary the primary is open.
So what we are thinking is that Pelosi needs to change the date of that vote. To after Louisiana’s Governor Primary. At least that gives our Dem challengers a chance of getting to a runoff. We need a runoff or our state is doomed to the worst kind of Republican leadership in this country.
Please help!!!
Call Nancy ask her to change the date of the SCHIP vote until after October 20th…Oh and all the other important stuff too!
http://www.jindalisbad.com
The nation, like most, is run by politicians. They haven’t changed as a species since the greeks painted all the white shards black.
Marion in Savannah @ 148
McCain is as nutty as Arbusto Shrub said he was.
Mad Dogs @ 172
Would that we had more “insanity” of the type exhibited by Ms Jane.
Congressman Hunter.
When you were young was there an event that made you so pissed off that you ended up looking pissed off the rest of your life?
Please explain.
-GSD
P.S. Charlie Gibson could use his forehead to hammer in spikes.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 192
She does remember that she’s one of them, right? Their leader, in fact, Housewise.
Gawd… LMAO. A Republican crying out “stop pandering, stop pandering, stop pandering.” It’s enough to make a cat laugh…
Ya have ta wonder what in the hell possessed Dunker Huntin ta run fer president- he’d have better odds in a dog show—posin as a pointer.
Eli @ 204
Ummm, not so much…
madmommy @ 188
There’s a legislative race this fall, I think in Virginia, where the GOP is running a teevee ad with scare quotes about his opponent. The quotes come from a blog commenter, and are ascribed to the blog, which may be an official Democratic party blog, iirc
It’s portrayed as if the Democratic party is saying these mean things about their own candidate, when it’s really an anonymous commenter who could simply be an agent provacateur.
Elliott @ 98
Assuming you’re serious…
It was interesting, and it’s the exact thing that’s happening now. In fact, I first noticed in ‘88 when Clinton appeared on Johnny Carson playing the saxophone, and was instantly all over the media. The DLC was operating full-tilt by then, and nothing was going to get in the way of their hand-picked candidate.
We were literally getting being told by the DNC and local Dem Party folks to give it up, and being mocked as “crazy” and Brown was Gov Moonbeam, and blah blah blah. Seemed strange that the DNC and Ron Brown had chosen sides so early in the process. I couldn’t understand why they were stifling good, meaningful debate before the primaries even started. Why couldn’t the Dem voters decide who their candidate should be?
People like Kucinich have much more advantage today thanks to the netroots. This is why it’s so crucial for us to keep pushing and donating to true Liberals, and not succumbing to the Money Machine and “holding our noses” and voting for the lesser of two evils.
Otherwise, we’ll be having this same discussion 10 years from now….
I’ve brought this up here before. Back in early 2006, the Alaska Dems weren’t even going to run a candidate against Don Young, the crooked GOP incumbent in Alaska for our sole House seat. But when maverick Diane Benson ran against him, she got almost 42% of the vote on 8% of what Young spent. She did have a primary challenger, who she handily beat.
But the important point in her 2006 race – she’s running again for 2008 – was that the Democratic Party supported her very, very little, very late. She ran on what she could get from the community, with little union and almost no party support, against an entrenched guy with a HUGE war-chest.
Progressive Dems who want to challenge a firmly seated DINO, should study her 2006 campaign as one of the best examples out there on both how to maximize your funds, and on plain, hard work.
Eli @ 197
That’s what I thought! That isn’t exactly the footage I would have picked. *s*
Ed*ard Teller @ 210
It also suggests some serious latent pent-up demand for authentic, progressive candidates.
Marion in Savannah @ 193
A vast improvement over the Laura model.
Elliott @ 211
Maybe it’s some kind of meta-joke, or they thought Psycho was *really* boring…
dakine01 @ 202
Amen dakine01!
Does Fred have any idea at all how Social Security works?
bonkers @ 209
Bonkers,
FWIW, It was in ‘92 that Clinton played the Sax on the Arsenio Hall show.
Marion in Savannah @ 216
He doesn’t have to, he’s loaded.
rwcole @ 186
Who should challenge her? At least Busby has the name recognition, website, and army. Are you unhappy with Busby’s positions or her campaign?
Marion in Savannah @ 216
He really seems to be clueless about everything – except being ugly. He’s good at that.
Tom is so special. I like the idea of cutting off parts of America with his fence against THE ALIENS. You’d love the humor of all of this, if it weren’t so horribly important.
Eli @ 212
With the stink of corruption trials here only getting worse, the progressives have got to get it together this coming winter, or they’ll lose the chance of a lifetime. The Dems have been out of power for so long in Alaska, they’ve sorta forgotten how to talk to voters, especially the young, and, as the Benson campaign is noting, women’s issues. Too many Alaska campaigns are about shooting it or paving it or drilling it.
TeddySanFran @ 208
It happens all over, and goes to my point about who would want to deal with the BS. A vast majority of voters are still not the brightest bulbs and will swallow whole any steaming pile of cow flop they are spoon-fed.
Right now we are nearly to election day for governor in Louisiana (see MissAnnaNOLA post 199) and Jindal looks to be a lock. He is the worst sort of GOP bootlicker, but other than the city of NOLA, the state is more GOP than Dem. He is running complete bullshit ads, and if he wins we will be well and truly screwed. His whole campaign is based on how Blanco screwed up Katrina response, as well as corruption. He’s okie dokie with Vitter staying put though. Wonder why?
Marion in Savannah @ 216
Does Hillary?
bonkers @ 209
Oh, I was serious. Thank you so much for sharing more details!
And I agree with your ending comments.
Thank Heaven for the netroots!
madmommy @ 223
And this is probably the #1 reason why Algore is not running. I’m disappointed, but I can understand it – I sure wouldn’t want to go through that again, and it would probably be a lot *worse* this time.
Marion in Savannah @ 216
Just that’s it’s bankrupt. They seem to have gotten a finite number of words and concepts into him for today’s performance, out of all those binders he’s been lugging around on the campaign trail.
By finite, of course, I mean single digits.
Did anyone know the Senate voted to raise the National Debt Ceiling to $9.815 trillion by a vote of 53-42? Only the Harford Courant seemed to have an article about it?
TeddySanFran @ 191
Shit, hope you’re wrong. On the flat tax issue, Teddy, wouldn’t that create an entire underground economy?
Individual insurance. That’s SO special. If I had oh, say, $400 or $500 a month I’d do that. What planet do these people come from? PLUTOcrat?
The worst thing about GOoPer Jindal winning will be the dildonic ramblings of the Broderettes about how the Republican Party is “surging”!
-GSD
Ed*ard Teller @ 224
You’d rather have Fred?
TeddySanFran @ 227
Does he have a history of difficulty with memorizing scripts? It sounds like he can’t ad-lib to save his life, and whatever script he has doesn’t seem to cover much of anything.
Marion in Savannah @ 216
here or in the Soviet Union?
Glub.
Here be tyrants’
…helpers
I think this election will come down to which candidate people would rather bang on the counter…
TeddySanFran @ 208
What is that about? More info plz.
Marion in Savannah @ 230
707 !!
Eli @ 226
I think the time is perfect for Gore to run … the Reps are finished and the Dems lack leadership that reflects the will of the people, now is the best time for Gore to announce …
Evenin’ all !!!
Marion in Savannah @ 221
The history of fences is not good. They do more good keeping the people on the inside in than they do keeping the people on the outside out. Tancredo wants to line somebody’s pockets with a fat fence contract.
bah, this is why I like late night, 40 comments behind and can’t keep up :’(
Marion in Savannah @ 230
yes, they are the plutocracy.
Eli @ 233
that was downright pathetic the other day when he had to ask for applause.
Petrocelli @ 239
If he has any spark of desire to run left, I’m guessing that it probably peaked when he heard the top three Democratic candidates refuse to commit to being out of Iraq by 2013.
If that didn’t rouse him to call a press conference the next fucking day, I’m not sure what would.
kirk murphy @ 235
Hey Kirk, if you were living up here, you’d have been stuffed full of Turkey and wouldn’t have to cook for a week ! *g*
Elliott @ 243
Maybe they can get him an applause track or something. Or one of those flashing “APPLAUSE” signs.
Loo Hoo. @ 229
According to the GOP, it would close a lot of loopholes in the current underground economy. Can you imagine drugdealers saying, okay that quartergram is $100 plus $23 for the guvmint? Or sex workers adding the FairTax to their wares?
The GOPs like to say, “Imagine taking home your entire paycheck!!” and then watch the wingnuts salivate.
In honor of Animal House and the record of Filthy Hot Tub Duke Cunningham, IM Foley, Wide Stance Larry Craig, Dollar Bill Jefferson, The Drunken Mayor Bob Ney and so many more.
Blutocrats.
-GSD
Eli @ 244
I was very disappointed with Edwards for that remark.
I have always believed that Gore will announce after winning the Nobel and I still do …
Petrocelli @ 239
*sigh* You’re such a hopeless romantic, eh??? ;-)
Eli @ 246
he brought his own ;)
TeddySanFran @ 247
And then having to spend even more of it than they did before to stay afloat. Morons. But they would *start* with more money in their pockets, and that’s what matters!
Elliott @ 243
… which Fred calls foreplay … *g*
Marion in Savannah @ 232
Of course not, but HRC’s new SS plan is Bush Lite, IMHO.
8 years ago the GOP was ready to impeach a president over a blow-job, now they are going to balance the budget with revenue from a blow-job tax.
Unreal.
-GSD
Petrocelli @ 249
That would be pretty cool. But the Oscars had a much bigger audience.
hackworth @ 240
Well, there are those who think that good fences make good neighbors, but I doubt that Tom Tancredo is one of them.
Eli @ 233
His handlers like to say he’s great in front of an audience because of his long history onscreen. TradMed swallows this line dutifully, without ever realizing that when his three minutes per episode of “Arthur Branch time” are filmed, there’s no audience present. Same for all his glamorous movie roles.
GSD @ 248
And iraq had WMD, I mean germany bombed perl harbor!
Anybody know why Alan Keyes was not there, tonight?
tw3k @ 251
He should flash Law ‘n’ Order … that ‘ll bring the house down …
Sandman @ 260
He was having dinner at Sylvia’s with Bill O’Reilly.
Keyes reportedly loves Sylvia’s motherfuc*ing iced-tea.
-GSD
Sandman @ 260
No. Good question…
Petrocelli @ 261
him flashing would bring the house down!!!111
Petro, happy Thanksgiving.
I gotta hit the Canadian Consulate in LA soon – somewhere in Vancouver, a teaching hospital needs a consultation-liaison shrink.
I’ll do your oncology, your brain injury, your solid organ transplant, your anxiety disorders, your huddled neuroses yearning to breath free.
Oops.
Wrong island.
Start again.
Marion in Savannah @ 230
Helps the job numbers. Lots of people in their sixties are working at Wal Mart and Mickey D’s to pay for health insurance. Its good Republican-style motivation.
A couple in their sixties are looking at $1000 to $1500 per month premiums for two people who do not yet qualify for medicare (no good til age 65).
Republicans are a plague on American Society.
tw3k @ 264
pass the brain bleach, please
kirk murphy @ 265
that was a good one!
tw3k @ 264
EEEWWW…. Brain bleach… I NEED BRAIN BLEACH…
GSD @ 262
HAHA!!
kirk murphy @ 265
707 !!!
Elliott @ 268
not good,sad ;’(
kirk murphy @ 265
Wrong Island? Isn’t that where Atlas Juggs is from?
tw3k @ 272
I am properly corrected.
kirk murphy, if you’re really looking I hope you find a happy roost.
I agree with you Eli.
Especially in the house, we don’t need excess seats. Get a good count of 225-230 Democratic seats, and based on that do a hard hit from the left in the general on the Bush Dogs. Split the progressives off to the left and give the Bush Dog seat to the GOP.
Fear and Money is Power. That’s the only thing DC politicians understand.
And after seeing that done to 4-5 Bush Dogs (and hopefully Pelosi) the party will start moving left again. Until then, they only have to be barely better than the GOP candidate.
tw3k — I can’t find the WaPo link about the legislative race. Maybe a northern Virginia pup will recall? I think it was in Loudoun county.
Elliott @ 268
Vancouver is not on an Island. There IS a Vancouver Island nearby, though.
Sandman @ 260
Wow
I find it incredibly encouraging that there is now open talk about primary challengers to the BlueBushDogs. I started proposing this a few months ago and it never seemed to have gotten picked up. It was always clear to me there could not be a lot of such challengers. In fact, we are better off with only a few, strong, and well funded candidates. If even a couple succeed it will make a very strong statement and make the rest pay attention to the progressive movement.
So good for everyone putting in effort here and let’s give at least as much support to our candidates challenging the right wing of the Dems as we do challenging the reThugs!
TeddySanFran @ 277
Summoning LoudounLib!
jello5929 @ 276
Yep. Unless and until we are relevant and essential to their re-election prospects, the Democratic establishment will cheerfully ignore us.
Eli @ 256
Gore has always maintained that announcing before Oct. – Nov. was much too early and I think he’s right, it will be an interesting couple of weeks …
This is fun. Give them 30 seconds to step into it…
Ed*ard Teller @ 278
Stanley, is accomodating!!!
Wrong Island Iced Tea
realworld @ 280
I’d rather see a tidal wave of Bush Dogs getting kicked to the curb, but I guess that’s not so practical. I’ll take what I can get, though.
Not gonna lift a finger for Altmire this time around, tho.
Rudy wants to sell more things overseas. “Want fries with that?”
TeddySanFran @ 277
I think teacherken[sp?] on dKos had something up, my bad for not reading it.
Marion in Savannah @ 275
It would be a great boost for Canada and a great loss for America !
Must return to rehearsal. Put down that keyboard, slowly, son – and step away…..
I found out why:
When Keyes officially entered the presidential race on Sept. 14, Michigan’s newly-created Sept. 11 deadline for inclusion on the party’s list of recognized candidates submitted to the Secretary of State had already expired.
————-
Keyes missed the deadline by 3 days for the debate, but not for the election!
TeddySanFran @ 286
LOL !!!
What was that with St. McCain? Looked off to his right like he was desperate for some sort of help…
realworld @ 280
Hear Hear!!! STOMPS FEET!!!!
TeddySanFran @ 286
lol!
I remember those days
and the Singapore Sling.
Marion in Savannah @ 288
He keeps mentioning health care and energy independence as the two things he’d like to sell overseas. Is he crazy? Is this some kinda fundie code? What does this even mean?
Ed*ard Teller @ 291
Good Luck, ET … hope to see you on Late Nite …
I wish I’d had a stopwatch going to see if Tweety cut Ron Paul off…
Ed*ard Teller @ 291
but no…
the Lake beckons.
TeddySanFran @ 297
I’m not watching, but I can’t think of *any* rational way to parse that. It might work in reverse, tho.
“The Republican Party is built on respect for human beings.” Ain’t THAT special…
Marion in Savannah @ 299
He does on the 30 second answer. Starts to interrupt when the counter’s about :05
dakine01 @ 217
Actually, the ‘92 blow was an encore. His first blowing was indeed in ‘88 on Carson. It was in response to his horrible run-on speech at the DemocratIC Convention. They were doing damage control, and the being the DLC’s first project, they wanted to change national opinion of him right quick.
Another funny thing about then, in the 92 primaries, I remember one of our main themes to choose Jerry Brown over Clinton was the long history of rumored infidelity. We had several newspaper articles over the years about this, and we were saying Clinton was “unelectable” because of all this.
Way wrong on the electable part of course, but unfortunately correct on the other. The Dem Party (and America) suffered for years from his lack of will power.
Again, we’ve got to keep together and support the true Liberals. No more lessers of two evils votes.
Marion in Savannah @ 299
no election clock like with the Dems?
TeddySanFran @ 303
And one time, Rudy talked for about twenty seconds before they even started the counter. They are such evility.
Elliott @ 296
OMG … my friends and I would keep ordering different drinks to see
who would be worshipping the porcelain deity … attained enlightenment more than once, IIRC … *g*
Elliott @ 300
An Addictive-Compulsive Disorder, is it listed in the DSM-IV yet?
OOOPS…. The Mittbot 2.0 is looking stressed…
Marion in Savannah @ 302
Of course, there *is* a $1 million minimum in order to be considered a human being…
Shall we refer to this man as a radical cleric? Should we ask Rudy Giuliani to distance himself from this man?
The first Roman Catholic priest charged for crimes committed under Argentina’s past military government has been convicted and sentenced to life in prison in a trial that focused attention on the church’s role during the “dirty war” from 1976-1983.
Christian von Wernich, a former police chaplain, was on Tuesday convicted on all counts of being a “co-participant” with police in seven homicides, 31 torture cases and 42 kidnappings during the military rule that critics say the church did little to oppose.
-GSD
P.S. Turkey is getting ready to head into Iraq and the US is warning them not to. How soon before we hear about the leader of Turkey being ‘another Pol-Pot”?
I’ll put my old Adidas on. You are right; it’s a marathon.
bonkers @ 90
Petrocelli @ 307
707! Ah, nothing like being reborn ;)
CTuttle @ 308
Hitting the “refresh comments” button is like pulling the slot handle, don’t you think?
Petrocelli @ 290
Hey Petro? do they need pharm techs up in Canada? I know they’re hurting for pharmacists but i’d think the demand for technicians is there too.
GSD @ 311
Have you noticed how Latin America never elects rightists anymore? Because they’ve been where we’re going.
Sandman @ 260
Not where?
Petrocelli @ 307
I was partial to Mudslides…!!!
Elliott @ 314
The odds of a payoff are a lot better, tho.
Eli @ 319
true!
Eli,
The neo-cons would love for America to be just like Chile in the 70’s.
-GSD
Elliott @ 314
Or a box of chocolates…!!! ;-)
aliasofwestgate @ 315
Hi Alias … I’m not sure which jobs are in demand, you might want to check out monster dot ca or workopolis.
Loo Hoo. @ 317
The Gooper debate. He’s running again…
“Gov. Romney, what is the great long-term threat to the Amercian economy?”
Answer:
“A sense of optimism.”
Did I mis-hear any of that? Has the Mittbot 2.0 completely broken down?
CTuttle @ 322
mmMMmmm chocolate. . .
hackworth @ 266
Then, fuck it. Do as George Bush says and use the emergency room.
I truly don’t think seniors should give up their lives to pay for medical insurance. Period.
Didja read Dana Milbank’s column about Pelosi’s reporter meeting this morning? Boy does she sound pissed…. at us!
Well, at least Rudy didn’t have to field a call from the little woman…
GSD @ 321
Yep, I’ve been thinking for several years that Dubya has been using dictatorial Chile & Argentina as his model for government.
Eli @ 316
2050 and we will have a progressive majority. republicans will be self self-detonating in resistance.
Marion in Savannah @ 325
What? I thought the Republicans were all about the optimism. Well, except for Social Security and Scary Terrorists and immigrants.
Okay, never mind. Forget I said anything.
Petrocelli @ 323
Ah i’d been hoping you’d have heard something. Ah well, I should ask my cousins in Sarnia anyway. *grins* I know it’ll likely be between London, Ont and toronto as my likely targets as a place to eventually settle. (this plan was made long before this idiot admin took power, by the way. i just ended up with a different job to offer than i thought. heh.)
Fambly visit to the Sarnia clan for me this weekend anyway. ^_^ Something i look forward too very much. I consider my canada visits a ‘recharge’.
Marion in Savannah @ 325
Ya heard right! Optimistic about what, is a whole ‘nother thang…!!!
TeddySanFran @ 328
Some front pagers are gonna launch into this big time.
Well. That was fun. Now it’s time for me to totter off to bed. Have a grand evening, and I’ll catch y’all at about 6:30 or so in the morning, with coffee and breakfast.
Did you notice whose applause Maria shut down? I thought it might be Paul’s but I was out of the room.
TeddySanFran @ 328
7mf40, 0 h3ll y34h!!!
TeddySanFran @ 328
Um, Nancy? I have news for you. Being in charge doesn’t automatically make you a leader. You have to actually, y’know, LEAD.
Hiya y’all! Snarky has the zed!!!!!!!!! See ya upstairs!
The high tech lynching of the Frost family by Right Blogistan hits the front page of the NYT.
allan_in_upstate @ 341
Excellent.
Eli @ 342
no doubt they read Christy this morning.
I agree with MattS. There’s no way to quantify some potential pool of contribution money. When people get excited and some campaigns have a rousing effect, even those who have only $5 to give will contribute. I think being from CT, what I saw was people getting excited in a state that is usually politically comotose, and the Lamont effect prevailed with two other seats (& will hopefully richochet on Shays next time around.). When dead beats are on the ticket it just sucks. It’s a downer. its the HoJoe effect.
Marion in Savannah @ 336
Marion, I don’t get to see you too often. We are on totally different schedules. Thank you so much for all you contribute to our community.
I live in Sacramento — or, more specifically, a suburb, where the rep is DAN LUNGREN, a horrible person, but obviously not bad enough to make the top tier. (We are 3 miles away from Doolittle — see my point?)
I can’t do this work because I am crippled. But Sacramento is full of enthusiastic, hard-working REAL Democrats, who would be glad to do the heavy work.
I know Lungren has an opponent — and he has to be better than Lungren and the BushDogs.
But this has happened the past few elections. Lungren is off the radar screen — and he mustn’t be. Democrats can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Eli @ 123
On Meet the Press Edwards said he planned to get all the combat troops out a quick as he could safely do so, except for those needed to defend them embassy.
Why do you say NONE of the “top 3″ committed to getting them out?
Hillary and Barack haven’t commited to getting all the troops out, all but those needed to defend the embassy or any other huge number. In fact they seem serious about staying, defending the embassy and permanent bases and executing combat missions AND preparing for “the next war” with Iran.
Clinton & Obama want to stay in.
Edwards will withdraw them!
John Edwards for president — (if you listen carefully) Leadership OUT of Iraq.
MarkH @ 347
Admittedly from Dodd’s site, but…
Oops, forgot the link…
Thank you, Marion. I really am – I hope I do too.
Groups, like individuals, act when they are ready, that is sufficiently pissed or discouraged. It’s like any relationship. When does one conclude it can’t work? I submit politics as practiced today can’t work.
The daunting task of getting enough workers to get petitions signed discourages most everyone. If petitioning were done online, it might be different. As for shifting contributions around, it’s like fiddling with interest rates to adjust the economy. It’s not what makes things happen.
So what to do? An interesting attempt took place right here on FDL with Facebook. The idea was to create an interactive online community. As far as I can tell (I registered for Facebook but couldn’t find FDL)it didn’t do more than the comments section of any post.
As for a third political party..that won’t work yet. The ground has not been prepared. The first thing we need is a way for lots of people, say several thousand, to discuss issues and reach conclusions online. I have no idea how to create a computer moderated discussion. Comments sections are fine but you see how unwieldy they are. Finally we need a network of localities. I suggested putting public checkbooks online and linking towns. That got no response. Think of our need as a community Myspace or Facebook, something that deals in group rather than individual reality. From there we might move further.
It would be prudent for 100,000 democrats to exit the party. A message must be sent to the DLC that status quo is unacceptable. Change to a third party. No serious change (social security)has happened in this nation without third party influence. It must be absolutely clear to the leadership in DC that the party is in danger of collapse unless they start doing the job we EXPECTED them to do when we elected them in ‘06!