Last Friday I wrote about about how the political environment favors progressive primary challengers to the Bush Dogs who are dragging the Democratic Party down morally and electorally. While I still think I'm right about the landscape, it has not translated into actual primary challengers:
Despite the disdain towards the Democratic Congress, Donna Edwards, Rosemary Palmer and Mark Pera are the only strong primary challengers I know of that are taking on an incumbent (correct me if I'm wrong here). There may be others, but not very many. With over 80 Democrats voting for a supplemental war funding bill, and several voting against SCHIP, it's pretty clear that these people, despite the phone calls and letters from voters, don't have to respond to pressure if they don't want to. This seems to be systemic. Consider that in 2006, Ned Lamont was the only person who would step up to challenge Lieberman, despite Lieberman's obvious right-wing extremism. Lamont, a neophyte candidate, was willing to learn on the fly, but it says something that the mayors of the two largest cities in Connecticut fought a vicious primary over who would get crushed by a beloved Republican Governor instead of going up against Lieberman.
Something is very wrong. Politicians are calculating risk-takers, and that these Connecticut politicians thought going after Rell was a better bet than going after Lieberman suggests that there was a serious market failure here. And that the weak Democratic Congress has seen very limited primary energy confirms that this market failure may have gotten worse.
Stoller speculates on why this is: Specifically, the difficulty of connecting potential candidates with potential supporters; the incumbents' built-in resource advantage (or perceived advantage); and the party establishment's hostility and vindictiveness towards primary challengers.
This is very bad. As we have seen over the past 6+ years, any time politicians can act without fear of any consequences, electoral or otherwise, the outcome is disaster. Of course, for the Democrats, the impunity is one-way: They fear the Republicans, but view us as merely irrelevant and impotent nuisances who will grit our teeth and support them because we have no alternatives.
So the question is, how do we fix this? Obviously we can't just make primary opponents appear. Stoller recommends that the netroots support progressive primary challengers wherever they appear, to encourage any potential candidates who might otherwise be scared off by the fundraising and resource challenges.
I think this idea would have the desired effect, and would eventually lead to more and better primary candidates. But I have to wonder if it's sustainable. If we give to every progressive challenger out there, regardless of viability, will there be enough money left for Edwards, Palmer, and Pera to win their campaigns? I'd like to think there is, and that political donations are not a zero sum game, but many of us only have so much money to spend, and we want to get the most bang for our buck.
What we really need is an organization that can hook challengers up with potential donors, preferably in their own state or district. I'm not sure if collecting an actual pool of money would work, since that might pose campaign finance problems. More like an information resource about what donors are available and how much they'd be willing to give to get rid of their unfriendly neighborhood Bush Dog.
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Sorry tonight’s post is kinda depressing…
Welcome home, LL. Tell me…does England swing like a pendulum do?
Hey Eli. I can personally assure you that the prospect of a primary challenge is making current Congressmen quake in their boots.
Hi Eli!
LL!
egregious @ 6
I sure hope so, although I’m not really seeing it. I’d rather see *actual* challenges, though.
CD @ 5
Thanks! And yes, it definitely do ;-)
Hi Elliott!
LoudounLib @ 9
I think the correct answer is “Yeah, baby!”
Eli @ 4
It’s ok, Eli — actually it’s a good thing. Since I was away last week I’ve been missing out on the outrage!
LoudounLib @ 12
I’m sure it didn’t take too long to get caught up.
egregious @ 6
You said this earlier today, and I only wish you could be more specific! *g*
Not a primary challenge but Angie Paccione dropped out of the CO-4 race..another too bad.
Eli @ 13
No, not too long at all. And I got to see a bit of outrage in the UK as both the Tories and Labour were picking on Gordon Brown…
TeddySanFran @ 14
Are you speaking of Repugs or Dems? Hope they all are quaking.
It takes a special kind of person to even be able to run for office imo.
LoudounLib @ 1
Stranger! How was Liverpool?
Elliott @ 18
Agreed. I sure as hell couldn’t do it. I don’t have the energy, commitment, savvy, charisma… I should probably just stop now…
Eli @ 20
me either!
I think it’s true that there are not an infinite number of dollars to go to primary challengers, so it is at least a little zero-sumish.
That said, I am more than interested in cutting checks to people who won’t roll over when Bush says boo, the terrorists are coming…or to an entity such as Primary Challengers R-Us.
Eli @ 4
Not really, thinking isn’t necessarily depressing.
We need a Club For Growth on the left. Somehow, those wackjob candidates on the right connect with the funding sources to challenge reasonable or center-right GOPs in safe GOP districts. The GOP has learned that their only challenge in gerrymandered districts will come from their right. This leads to Broder & Pals moaning about extremism. But extremism isn’t the result; a rightward drift is.
How shall we fund a Club For Growth? Democratic candidates in safe-Dem districts shouldn’t be BushDogs or even BlueDogs — they should be our most stalwart progressive allies.
Especially when one of the most liberal and progressive cities in the country has essentially lost its voice by having our Congresswoman make history as the first woman Speaker!
Speaking of running for office, MSNBC has “them” talking about the economy. Ron Paul sounds more like a Democrat about the economy than Nancy Pelosi.
CTuttle @ 19
CT, I’ll get with ya later at Late Nite ;-)
Sparkatus @ 22
Yep. I stand by what I said in the previous post, that we should be withholding money from DCCC/DSCC and their pet wankers, and focusing it on actual progressives.
For those lucky people who wind up maxed out on donations yet still have money to burn, may I recommend backing a means of leveling the playing field?
I speak, of course, of http://www.PublicCampaign.org.
Eli @ 20
Put out attack ads in the Blue Dogs’ districts, it wouldn’t embolden the Repugs, it would merely turn up the fire on the barbeque…!!! Seriously!
Fred Thompson looks like hell.
Marion in Savannah @ 24
The GOP is gonna have to “do something” about Ron Paul. I fully expect him to upset their applecart bigtime.
TeddySanFran @ 23
Yes, strategizing and planning is good. But the fact that there are so few primary challengers is very troubling.
Eli @ 20
King-Maker is more apropo…!!! ;-)
LL!
So glad you’re back.
CTuttle @ 32
I think Joker-Maker is probably more my speed…
TeddySanFran @ 23
As Joe Conason has said, there’s a ton of ultra-rich lefties out there; the problem is that, unlike the righties who early on understood the need to fund think tanks and buy up media, the rich lefties are penny-wise and pound-foolish.
Or Dogcatcher-Maker…
Loo Hoo. @ 29
Wait until you see him struggle not to say “recession” — he remembers it’s a bad word. Finally, he croaks out “economic downturn” after about 10 seconds of studly pondering.
Or would you rather not have spoilers? *g*
TeddySanFran @ 30
I think they’ll keep him around to point to as the loon in the bunch. However, that may bite them where it hurts because he’s speaking truth.
TeddySanFran @ 30
Superlative rants during the debate…!!! 8-)
Ron Paul will save us all!!!
We, I believe, are in the midst of a tectonic struggle for the mind, heart and soul of the Democratic Party. This may well be ‘make it, or break it’ for at least the next several years.
TeddySanFran @ 37
Spoilers are fine, Teddy. This whole thing smells like rotten eggs. What is the deal with flat taxes? No write off for mortgage interest?
Ooooh, here’s Rudy lying about what he did in NY. He was roundly booed at Yankee Stadium, which gladdens my heart.
“They” who call Ron Paul a loon, will end up looking the fool. He may not win but he is consistent and conservative and a lot of “staunch” conservatives love him. They want him badly (and I can understand why) and when he doesn’t get the nomination many supporters will vote D.
Eli @ 36
Carpe Diem!!! ;-)
CTuttle @ 45
Carpe Canis?
It’s fun to watch Mitt and Rudy spat with each other, with Frederick of Hollywood standing there between them like a sequoia, except stupider.
Marion in Savannah @ 43
That’s why doe-si-do renamed him Boody!
What “we” need is a 3rd party that is actually progressive. The Demo’s (w/ a possible half dozen exceptions) are “me-too” ReThugs, devoted to corporate rule, endless war, etc.
Why would they pick ineffective, lackluster leaders like Pelosi & Reid were it otherwise?
3 wks. after they spit in MoveOn’s face for simply telling the truth, why would any progressive support the Demos?
Eli @ 40
“It’s a bird! It’s a plane!”
Eli @ 46
707!!!
I hoped for primary challenges to Rahm and Steny. But think of the risk: you’re challenging the head honcho in the CD, asking people to work and vote for you instead of the guy they’ve worked for and voted for forever. If you lose, you’ll be lucky to get to be a precinct captain.
Better to hope that Rahm and Steny get nice cushy corporate-kissing jobs in the next Democratic administration and some great progressive steps up to succeed them.
Nice pic Eli. I need to get a pic of the big RP sign on the way to the lake. It says” Ron Paul 2008 REVOLlution. Very rural and conservative. Not many W stickers these days.
Last night I happened upon a local candidate interviewed on the local cable access channel.
He’s a total rightie, he’s not getting my vote, but it makes me realize we have to nurture our newbies at the most local of levels.
Fred notes that there have been more jobs gained. “Want fries with that?”
TeddySanFran @ 52
Mighty big If’s…!!! 8-(
Someone should put a list together of all the things the Bush Administration has not been held accountable for.
MarktheSpark @ 49
A third party would be nice, but how does it attain viability? I don’t think the threat of spoiler candidates is enough to make the Democrats act progressive, and they *are* still considerably better than Republicans. F’rinstance, while they may not actually make much of an effort to *oppose* unnecessary and destructive wars, I think they’re still a lot less likely to actually start them.
Even if they’re still driving us off the cliff, at least they’re not flooring the accelerator.
Elliott @ 54
School boards and city councils are really important. That’s where the seeds are planted.
Bags under his Eyes is saying that manufacturing prices are set internationally! Isn’t that cute?
FairTax
As for the problem being discussed in this post…depressing. I don’t see what egregious is seeing (no offense egreg!) wrt pressure on Bush Dogs. Getting progressives to challenge incumbents requires a lot of money if you’re serious about the race, with the reality that you will probably lose. Sadly I don’t have an answer. Paging George Soros…
Everythingseemssoneat @ 57
I think Hugh already has it.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 57
Ah, setup line…
Hugh’s List.
Marion in Savannah @ 47
707 !
Everythingseemssoneat @ 57
Well, here’s a start.
List of Bush scandals
This link is updated as needed, I believe most recently as of 10/7/07.
What Eli said.
So then, is the choice for us Democrats in 2008 one of electability or principle?
Everythingseemssoneat @ 57
Heh, Unfortunately, that would be everything on Hugh’s extensive list…!!! ;-)
I don’t like the debates because I feel like I’m getting jipped on normal conditioning.
Twain @ 59
That’s how the the neocons and theocrats started creeping up the political food chain.
The more intriguing question is, has there ever been anything that BushCo. *has* been held accountable for?
Outing Plame probably came the closest, but Scooter Libby losing his job and getting fined is not much of a comeuppance.
what we really need is a Party! What we really need no longer exists in this country.
It is all bullshit. Watch SCHIP go down in flames! Watch FISA burn! Watch Voting rights become a joke. Who can name some others?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 68
I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive.
Elliott @ 18
I think you overestimate the qualifications. I would be proud to support any fellow FDL poster with whom I am familiar. I have faith that any of you would be better than the status quo. I once ran for city council in my town and lost. The guy who beat me ran for mayor later and won. He slinked away during the latter part of his mayoral term in a scandal. The newspaper had endorsed him when he and I were candidates for the city council seat. They picked the wrong guy.
CTuttle and Marion in Savannah- Has Speaker Pelosi been notified?
Eli @ 72
Well, we’ve certainly had a lot of resignations of late…!!! ;-)
TeddySanFran @ 61
Whoa. Time to get into the garage sale business.
Two years or less from now, regarding Rove, Cheney and Bush, all will be forgotten.
Eli @ 72
At least the White House press corps is being punished. Having to attend to Dana Perino’s every word has got to be excruciating.
OOOOH — let’s elect Mitt. He’s gonna go to work for Michigan. Um, Mitt, I’m in Georgia…
Good Evening, Friends,
(loo hoo ygm)
I agree with TSF that thinking is not necessarily depressing. Once you’ve taken the oath to follow politics with a progressive, determined eye, you take it All On and deal with it. Not easily done, but dems da breaks.
The only way we can even begin to make a change is to Know What’s Going On.
Marion in Savannah @ 81
Mittchigan?
Marion in Savannah @ 71
Exactly - and we’re smarter than they are, aren’t we? Do I hear an amen?
Oh, I think in the world envisioned by the GOP, your neighbors will be encouraged to inform on any any unauthorized garage sales….
Eli @ 74
I do not disagree with that. Who then is the best choice for ‘08?
TeddySanFran @ 80
I’m telling ya, Josh was dead on with the parallels to Ari and the Libby Leak…!!!
Eli @ 83
707!!!
Twain @ 84
Amen!
The first election I could vote in was 1992. I was campus campaign manager for Jerry Brown in the primaries. I witnessed firsthand how the corporate interests steamrolled their way, and utilized the Noize Machine (which protects status-quo candidates from either party by the way) to silence any challenge. It was already a well-oiled machine back then.
Then, we get the Clinton years. Much has been made of NAFTA, Telecommunications Act of 96, and many others, and recently there was a post here about Clinton’s deregulation of the meatpacking industry causing all sorts of problems today. But many Liberals will start chastising people like me about not being happy with “the peace and prosperity” during the Clinton years. This is woefully ignorant.
All the while, these same Liberals go on and on about the lesser of two evils, and saying those truly Liberal candidates who are out there don’t stand a chance or are unelectable. Thankfully, the blogosphere has come along and we’re able to have some successes like exposing LieberME for what he really is, even though many were screaming about him even before Gore picked as VP, thereby losing the election in 2000.
I’m so tired of this dynamic. Electing another Clinton will just continue this song and dance, and they’ll throw us Liberals just enough bones to keep the base complacent enough to keep electing the Conglomerate candidates, who are really there to do their masters’ biddings.
We have to keep the pressure on, and supporting people of principle. This isn’t a marathon…it’s one of those cross-country endurance races. Lace ‘em up!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 86
I like Dodd, but Gore is still my first choice if by some happy miracle he runs.
When my sisters and I were in school, my father ran for school board and won. He had no political ambitions tho, did it because he wanted input on his kids’ education.
The answer is very simple: if you don’t like the Democrat, vote Republican in the general election. I’ve been doing it since the first year of Bill Clinton’s first term. It kind of grows on you.
–mort
Marion in Savannah @ 81
Mitt would like America to think he’s from Michigan. Later, you will hear him talk about introducing health care in his state. Briefly — and in a state he does not name.
He announced his candidacy in Michigan. His dad was governor of Michigan and he’d like America to think he was as well.
Plus the debate’s in Michigan and he’s pandering to the Michigan GOP for (prohibited) applause.
Elliott @ 92
See there? You’re a natural!
Loo Hoo. @ 29
Must be a good day then. He usually looks worse.
Hugh @ 96
Uhoh, his ears musta reddened…!!!
bonkers @ 90
that’s really interesting to hear about your experiences with the Jerry Brown’s campaign and the corporate influence.
I think that’s a really cool idea. Progressives should leverage social information technologies that are inherently open. Seems like conservatives stay away, since they want more top-down control.
CTuttle @ 97
With whose blood???
Moriarity @ 93
Oh. So you’re part of the problem… Thanks.
hackworth @ 95
lmao!
that would be a wonder of wonders, miracle of miracles!
CTuttle @ 56
I think one angle that helps sell the idea is that maybe these guys end up buying you off with some other plum. They don’t need the embarassment of a primary challenge.
These guys have to be made to earn it. Third party is a tough sell. It’s simply the math of our 50% 1 electoral system.
TeddySanFran @ 85