Comments on: Public Health Versus Private Insurance http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:35:47 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: SunnyNobility http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1022335 SunnyNobility Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:58:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1022335 <p>Late in the day, but if anyone happens along..<br /> Here’s a link to a $500,000 fine imposed by the OK insurance commission against Humana. <a href="http://www.contractormisconduct.org/index.cfm/1,73,222,html?CaseID=619">link</a></p> Late in the day, but if anyone happens along..
Here’s a link to a $500,000 fine imposed by the OK insurance commission against Humana. link

]]> By: Rufus http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021701 Rufus Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:56:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021701 <p>Bush sounds like he’s in the Health Insurance business and not the President business.</p> Bush sounds like he’s in the Health Insurance business and not the President business.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021682 MarkH Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:50:50 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021682 <p><a href="#comment-1021186"><em>maunga @ 79</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>If H Clinton is so sharp, and if H Clinton is such a great candidate, why has she pandered to the insurance industry in her “health insurance plan”? … But she was not receiving money from the insurance industry in those days, of course……</p> <p>The Democratic candidate who will say:</p> <p>“…fix it with a universal system!” </p> <p>“I will remove all US forces from Iraq …”</p> <p>“I will find a way to stem the flood of illegal immigrants pouring over the Mexico/US border …</p> <p>That candidate will be elected.</p> <p>I myself would dearly like the candidate to be a serious student of democracy who thus knows the US is not a democracy … </p></blockquote> <p>We should fill the House with representatives like this. The Senate will be tougher since they don’t have elections every 2 years, but we can tackle it a little at a time.</p> maunga @ 79

If H Clinton is so sharp, and if H Clinton is such a great candidate, why has she pandered to the insurance industry in her “health insurance plan”? … But she was not receiving money from the insurance industry in those days, of course……

The Democratic candidate who will say:

“…fix it with a universal system!”

“I will remove all US forces from Iraq …”

“I will find a way to stem the flood of illegal immigrants pouring over the Mexico/US border …

That candidate will be elected.

I myself would dearly like the candidate to be a serious student of democracy who thus knows the US is not a democracy …

We should fill the House with representatives like this. The Senate will be tougher since they don’t have elections every 2 years, but we can tackle it a little at a time.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021659 MarkH Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:41:42 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021659 <p><a href="#comment-1021026"><em>Scarecrow @ 52</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1021019"><em>Boston1775 @ 45</em></a></p> <blockquote><p> …<br /> I guess that fact that it is their country means nothing to him. </p></blockquote> <p>…<br /> When you have Glenn Beck and Fox News and Tom Friedman calling for a holy war against Islamic extremists — broadly defined as anyone who will fight to keep us out of their lands — and John McCain claiming we’re a “Christian nation” while the rightwing nods its heads in agreement — does that mean anyone we kill gets counted as “ethno-sectarian” violence?</p></blockquote> <p>We are a nation of</p> <p> 300,000,000</p> <p>and they are declaring war on a religion practiced by about </p> <p> 1,000,000,000</p> <p>people just to make themselves feel macho and powerful.</p> <p>Pathetic.</p> Scarecrow @ 52

Boston1775 @ 45

…
I guess that fact that it is their country means nothing to him.

…
When you have Glenn Beck and Fox News and Tom Friedman calling for a holy war against Islamic extremists — broadly defined as anyone who will fight to keep us out of their lands — and John McCain claiming we’re a “Christian nation” while the rightwing nods its heads in agreement — does that mean anyone we kill gets counted as “ethno-sectarian” violence?

We are a nation of

300,000,000

and they are declaring war on a religion practiced by about

1,000,000,000

people just to make themselves feel macho and powerful.

Pathetic.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021645 MarkH Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:37:10 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021645 <p><a href="#comment-1021015"><em>selise @ 41</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1021013"><em>Scarecrow @ 39</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Meanwhile, in today’s news, the Iraqi government essentially concedes that national reconciliation efforts have all failed — i.e, the surge failed its primary objective.</p></blockquote> <p>i’m sure congress will soon be taking up a resolution to condemn the iraqi goverment for implying that gen. petraeus is a liar.</p></blockquote> <p>And, then after that, they can take up a resolution to condemn the Iraqi insurgents for fighting our soldiers, thus making it impossible for them to ‘win’.</p> selise @ 41

Scarecrow @ 39

Meanwhile, in today’s news, the Iraqi government essentially concedes that national reconciliation efforts have all failed — i.e, the surge failed its primary objective.

i’m sure congress will soon be taking up a resolution to condemn the iraqi goverment for implying that gen. petraeus is a liar.

And, then after that, they can take up a resolution to condemn the Iraqi insurgents for fighting our soldiers, thus making it impossible for them to ‘win’.

]]> By: maunga http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021186 maunga Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:49:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021186 <p>If H Clinton is so sharp, and if H Clinton is such a great candidate, why has she pandered to the insurance industry in her “health insurance plan”? From her work when her husband was President she knows well that we have the basic foundation blocks for a universal healthcare system in the VA, Medicaire and Medicaid systems. But she was not receiving money from the insurance industry in those days, of course…… She knows very well that the unsupervised health provider industry is very largely the reason for our ghastly non-system.</p> <p>The Democratic candidate who will say:</p> <p>“We have the worst and most expensive health care in the developed world and I am going to fix it with a universal system!” </p> <p>“I will remove all US forces from Iraq and do what the US can, if it is asked of us, to assist Iraq and its neighbors to recover from our incompetent Occupation —- I repeat, IF we are wanted in that arena.”</p> <p>“I will find a way to stem the flood of illegal immigrants pouring over the Mexico/US border so we can buy the time to find a way to deal with those already here,</p> <p>That candidate will be elected.</p> <p>I myself would dearly like the candidate to be a serious student of democracy who thus knows the US is not a democracy and will begin by introducing a bill which fixes absolutely how much — a nice low figure — a candidate may spend on getting elected. There are examples in all the actual democracies for us to examine.</p> If H Clinton is so sharp, and if H Clinton is such a great candidate, why has she pandered to the insurance industry in her “health insurance plan”? From her work when her husband was President she knows well that we have the basic foundation blocks for a universal healthcare system in the VA, Medicaire and Medicaid systems. But she was not receiving money from the insurance industry in those days, of course…… She knows very well that the unsupervised health provider industry is very largely the reason for our ghastly non-system.

The Democratic candidate who will say:

“We have the worst and most expensive health care in the developed world and I am going to fix it with a universal system!”

“I will remove all US forces from Iraq and do what the US can, if it is asked of us, to assist Iraq and its neighbors to recover from our incompetent Occupation —- I repeat, IF we are wanted in that arena.”

“I will find a way to stem the flood of illegal immigrants pouring over the Mexico/US border so we can buy the time to find a way to deal with those already here,

That candidate will be elected.

I myself would dearly like the candidate to be a serious student of democracy who thus knows the US is not a democracy and will begin by introducing a bill which fixes absolutely how much — a nice low figure — a candidate may spend on getting elected. There are examples in all the actual democracies for us to examine.

]]> By: Beerfart Liberal http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021126 Beerfart Liberal Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:50:36 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021126 <p>Their big thing now is that SCHIP would cover “children” up to the age of 25. They’ve been such bullshitters throughout this whole thing. It’s really important to call them on it. Bush vetoed the compromise so when they talk about compromise they can kiss my ass.</p> Their big thing now is that SCHIP would cover “children” up to the age of 25. They’ve been such bullshitters throughout this whole thing. It’s really important to call them on it. Bush vetoed the compromise so when they talk about compromise they can kiss my ass.

]]> By: billjpa http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021103 billjpa Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:38:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021103 <p>it is happening again! The sphere is once again falling into the trap. With the exception of you folks ( A BIG BRAVO! to you)- not a peep today re SCHIP! The message is being controlled by the administration and the corporate media. Why the hell can’t this situation be understood by the Blogs? Fear?, boredom?, stupidity?- all of the above? Yup to the last!<br /> Whenever the goopers establish a “talking point” the forces gather and not only attack once but they continue to attack until ordered to stop. The stopping usually follows polling data showing that their message has be recieved, and not a second sooner.</p> it is happening again! The sphere is once again falling into the trap. With the exception of you folks ( A BIG BRAVO! to you)- not a peep today re SCHIP! The message is being controlled by the administration and the corporate media. Why the hell can’t this situation be understood by the Blogs? Fear?, boredom?, stupidity?- all of the above? Yup to the last!
Whenever the goopers establish a “talking point” the forces gather and not only attack once but they continue to attack until ordered to stop. The stopping usually follows polling data showing that their message has be recieved, and not a second sooner.

]]> By: little green http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021078 little green Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:21:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021078 <p>“The only way to overcome such powerful perverse incentives is through strictly enforced government mandates — witness Senator Clinton’s proposal that insurance companies not be allowed to deny coverage to anyone — and continuous government intervention. Any “universal insurance” plan requires a vigilant government bureaucracy to oversee the millions of decisions insurers make, reverse unfair decisions and penalize anti-consumer practices.”</p> <p>So, under Clinton’s plan we feed the insurance companies a huge increase in profits by “forcing” them to insure everyone and, then, create a large federal agency the job of which is to fight the insurance companies to force them to pay as they have agreed? What kind of insanity is that? Force everyone to pay companies who it is agreed going in will not honor their side of the contract, but create a government agency to fight to try to get them to honor their obligations?</p> <p>The American people do not need health insurance; they need healthcare!</p> <p>Clinton’s plan is simply proof that Clinton is a Republican running from within the Democratic Party.</p> <p>The only viable solution to distributing healthcare in America is a single payer system like Medicare.</p> “The only way to overcome such powerful perverse incentives is through strictly enforced government mandates — witness Senator Clinton’s proposal that insurance companies not be allowed to deny coverage to anyone — and continuous government intervention. Any “universal insurance” plan requires a vigilant government bureaucracy to oversee the millions of decisions insurers make, reverse unfair decisions and penalize anti-consumer practices.”

So, under Clinton’s plan we feed the insurance companies a huge increase in profits by “forcing” them to insure everyone and, then, create a large federal agency the job of which is to fight the insurance companies to force them to pay as they have agreed? What kind of insanity is that? Force everyone to pay companies who it is agreed going in will not honor their side of the contract, but create a government agency to fight to try to get them to honor their obligations?

The American people do not need health insurance; they need healthcare!

Clinton’s plan is simply proof that Clinton is a Republican running from within the Democratic Party.

The only viable solution to distributing healthcare in America is a single payer system like Medicare.

]]> By: Beerfart Liberal http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021071 Beerfart Liberal Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:16:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/public-health-versus-private-insurance/#comment-1021071 <p>The opposition to SCHIP has been constantly shifting. They’re so full of shit. I’ve read a post here a few days ago and someone said they called Barron Hill and now he’s saying he’ll continure to oppose SCHIP because Indiana pays more out than it gets. That’s how it usually works with programs which help the poor. Asshole. First it was SCHIP would give benefits to illegal aliens; then to families making $83,000, now, well, we don’t get enough back in our state. Next time the hayseed farmers in IN have their hands out they can kiss my ass.</p> The opposition to SCHIP has been constantly shifting. They’re so full of shit. I’ve read a post here a few days ago and someone said they called Barron Hill and now he’s saying he’ll continure to oppose SCHIP because Indiana pays more out than it gets. That’s how it usually works with programs which help the poor. Asshole. First it was SCHIP would give benefits to illegal aliens; then to families making $83,000, now, well, we don’t get enough back in our state. Next time the hayseed farmers in IN have their hands out they can kiss my ass.

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