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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/healthcare-for-kids-because-some-things-are-not-negotiable/#comment-1021877</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021419&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 159&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021379&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Blub @ 139&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think that the 5 year delay for children of legal immigrants is intended to prevent the US healthcare system for assuming liability of illnesses acquired abroad.. but that makes no sense, because it takes at least 5 years for immigrants to get naturalized in the first place, right?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On Public Health grounds this simply is utterly irrational. Kids like this are precisely the ones that need to be covered….because those diseases “acquired abroad” are the ones that need to be diagnosed and treated early before these kids start interacting with other kids and adults.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s a recipe for an epidemic! And it’s why this “exception” needs to be dealt with as soon as a new, more rational President, and a larger, more rational majority in Congress comes in, in 2008!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fantastic argument for child health care for anyone in America!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Care for children or they might spread disease to Republicans!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pres. Bush doesn’t want SCHIP…apparently doesn’t care if Republicans all die from disease spread by children!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1021419"><em>cinnamonape @ 159</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1021379"><em>Blub @ 139</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I think that the 5 year delay for children of legal immigrants is intended to prevent the US healthcare system for assuming liability of illnesses acquired abroad.. but that makes no sense, because it takes at least 5 years for immigrants to get naturalized in the first place, right?</p>
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<p>On Public Health grounds this simply is utterly irrational. Kids like this are precisely the ones that need to be covered….because those diseases “acquired abroad” are the ones that need to be diagnosed and treated early before these kids start interacting with other kids and adults.</p>
<p>That’s a recipe for an epidemic! And it’s why this “exception” needs to be dealt with as soon as a new, more rational President, and a larger, more rational majority in Congress comes in, in 2008!</p>
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<p>Fantastic argument for child health care for anyone in America!</p>
<p>Care for children or they might spread disease to Republicans!</p>
<p>Pres. Bush doesn’t want SCHIP…apparently doesn’t care if Republicans all die from disease spread by children!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/healthcare-for-kids-because-some-things-are-not-negotiable/#comment-1021865</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021395&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;NorskeFlamethrower @ 153&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
“You realize that not everything in this world or even in DC or the 110th Congress can be blamed on the Clintons don’t you?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh puLEEZE…I DO know that everythin’ wrong in DC and the 110th Congress &lt;b&gt;CAN&lt;/b&gt; be blamed on those who own the Clintons and their politics. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KEEP THE FAITH AND FOLLOW THE MONEY, NOT ALL FASCISTS CALL THEMSELVES REPUBLICANS!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Care to name any names or even industries?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1021395"><em>NorskeFlamethrower @ 153</em></a></p>
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“You realize that not everything in this world or even in DC or the 110th Congress can be blamed on the Clintons don’t you?”</p>
<p>Oh puLEEZE…I DO know that everythin’ wrong in DC and the 110th Congress <b>CAN</b> be blamed on those who own the Clintons and their politics. </p>
<p>KEEP THE FAITH AND FOLLOW THE MONEY, NOT ALL FASCISTS CALL THEMSELVES REPUBLICANS!!</p>
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<p>Care to name any names or even industries?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/healthcare-for-kids-because-some-things-are-not-negotiable/#comment-1021820</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021332&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;BrianK @ 95&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021249&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Beerfart Liberal @ 21&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
What’s the story with Barron Hill?&lt;br /&gt;
…
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&lt;p&gt;Baron Hill also represents tobacco farmers - southern Indiana, with Kentucky, is part of another huge swath of tobacco growers. Altria (aka Philip Morris) is a major donor to Baron Hill’s campaigns.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another great example of corporate power overriding human needs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This kind of power imbalance is literally killing people. How could ANY person take money from corporations and do their bidding, knowing little kids would be hurt by it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1021332"><em>BrianK @ 95</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1021249"><em>Beerfart Liberal @ 21</em></a></p>
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What’s the story with Barron Hill?<br />
…
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<p>Baron Hill also represents tobacco farmers &#8211; southern Indiana, with Kentucky, is part of another huge swath of tobacco growers. Altria (aka Philip Morris) is a major donor to Baron Hill’s campaigns.</p>
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<p>Another great example of corporate power overriding human needs.</p>
<p>This kind of power imbalance is literally killing people. How could ANY person take money from corporations and do their bidding, knowing little kids would be hurt by it?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021264&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 34&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why does George Bush hate sick children?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because he’s envious that they’re smarter than him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1021264"><em>egregious @ 34</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Why does George Bush hate sick children?</p>
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<p>Because he’s envious that they’re smarter than him.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cinnamonape—&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I was thrown by the persons dramatic shift of tone&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In addition to depression I have mania and mood swings.  A dramatic shift of tone could reflect emotional ups and downs that for some of us occur with alarming frequency. I have struggled for years to dampen these oscillations in my own life and have profound respect for people who haven’t yet found the right combination of things to handle their moods.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s easy to hit the submit button here in haste, done it many a time myself, and I thank you for coming back and expressing your compassion for our fellow commenter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cinnamonape—</p>
<blockquote><p>I was thrown by the persons dramatic shift of tone</p>
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<p>In addition to depression I have mania and mood swings.  A dramatic shift of tone could reflect emotional ups and downs that for some of us occur with alarming frequency. I have struggled for years to dampen these oscillations in my own life and have profound respect for people who haven’t yet found the right combination of things to handle their moods.</p>
<p>It’s easy to hit the submit button here in haste, done it many a time myself, and I thank you for coming back and expressing your compassion for our fellow commenter.</p>
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		<title>By: JWeezy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/healthcare-for-kids-because-some-things-are-not-negotiable/#comment-1021467</link>
		<dc:creator>JWeezy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;aside from the obvious positives overriding the veto, imagine the shot chimpy’s ego will take?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aside from the obvious positives overriding the veto, imagine the shot chimpy’s ego will take?</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/healthcare-for-kids-because-some-things-are-not-negotiable/#comment-1021457</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021420&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 160&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cinnamonape, I can only conclude you have never experienced depression first hand.  Pretty hurtful reply to a fellow fdl commenter.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was thrown by the persons dramatic shift of tone…from saying how they read this blog and how great it was - if only it were more “inclusive”…and a bit less “Bush-bashing”…then, boom, cutting off all dialogue and saying humanity doesn’t deserved to be saved. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was that because of the spirited debate on the provisions of the S-CHIP bill? Or because I asked the commentor about what they meant by “hubris” and “inclusiveness”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems that this isn’t characteristic of the depression that runs in my family.Usually there is some engagement that provides a hint of such depression (anger, frustration) before they shut down.Perhaps that is because I clue in to the pattern a bit better with intimates. But if the person does have depression I certainly apologize…I especially apologize about my response to the persons statement about people not deserving to be saved.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess I found it “full of hubris and reacted poorly…like I would to a Fundamentalist Baptist preacher who tells me that the world deserves to burn in hell. I don’t respond well to people who express misanthropic views, admittedly. I get “snarky” and sarcastic. Of course, these folks are likely mentally ill, as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I must remind myself  I should be a bit more sympathetic to people who express hateful positions and undertake hurtful acts. They might have a mental illness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1021420"><em>egregious @ 160</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Cinnamonape, I can only conclude you have never experienced depression first hand.  Pretty hurtful reply to a fellow fdl commenter.</p>
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<p>I was thrown by the persons dramatic shift of tone…from saying how they read this blog and how great it was &#8211; if only it were more “inclusive”…and a bit less “Bush-bashing”…then, boom, cutting off all dialogue and saying humanity doesn’t deserved to be saved. </p>
<p>Was that because of the spirited debate on the provisions of the S-CHIP bill? Or because I asked the commentor about what they meant by “hubris” and “inclusiveness”?</p>
<p>It seems that this isn’t characteristic of the depression that runs in my family.Usually there is some engagement that provides a hint of such depression (anger, frustration) before they shut down.Perhaps that is because I clue in to the pattern a bit better with intimates. But if the person does have depression I certainly apologize…I especially apologize about my response to the persons statement about people not deserving to be saved.</p>
<p>I guess I found it “full of hubris and reacted poorly…like I would to a Fundamentalist Baptist preacher who tells me that the world deserves to burn in hell. I don’t respond well to people who express misanthropic views, admittedly. I get “snarky” and sarcastic. Of course, these folks are likely mentally ill, as well.</p>
<p>I must remind myself  I should be a bit more sympathetic to people who express hateful positions and undertake hurtful acts. They might have a mental illness.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/08/healthcare-for-kids-because-some-things-are-not-negotiable/#comment-1021424</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021413&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 156&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021372&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 133&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;would you support a bill that only covered white kids if that was the only bill the bigots in congress would vote for?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The part above should have been attributed to selise…Memo To Self “Preview is Your Friend”!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;****************&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But this bill doesn’t ONLY COVER White kids. The kids it covers are indeed Non-Immigrant Poor and Lower Middle Class Kids…and those are gonna be a group that includes Blacks, Hispanics, South Asians, Native Americans, Asians as well as poor and lower Middle Class white kids.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why sacrifice the health of THESE kids for two years while insisting that a “perfect” bill be passed? And why would that be a “perfect bill” - when it wouldn’t cover Adults (for those seeking Universal Health Care). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I would find it incredible to think that any “progressive” wouldn’t support this bill…it’s failure would be a MASSIVE DEFEAT for the Democrats and a MASSIVE VICTORY for Bush and the “racists”. Selise, just who oppose this Bill right now, I ask. These people are NOT your allies, are they? Think about it!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1021413"><em>cinnamonape @ 156</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1021372"><em>selise @ 133</em></a></p>
<p>would you support a bill that only covered white kids if that was the only bill the bigots in congress would vote for?</p>
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<p>The part above should have been attributed to selise…Memo To Self “Preview is Your Friend”!</p>
<p>****************</p>
<p>But this bill doesn’t ONLY COVER White kids. The kids it covers are indeed Non-Immigrant Poor and Lower Middle Class Kids…and those are gonna be a group that includes Blacks, Hispanics, South Asians, Native Americans, Asians as well as poor and lower Middle Class white kids.</p>
<p>Why sacrifice the health of THESE kids for two years while insisting that a “perfect” bill be passed? And why would that be a “perfect bill” &#8211; when it wouldn’t cover Adults (for those seeking Universal Health Care). </p>
<p>And I would find it incredible to think that any “progressive” wouldn’t support this bill…it’s failure would be a MASSIVE DEFEAT for the Democrats and a MASSIVE VICTORY for Bush and the “racists”. Selise, just who oppose this Bill right now, I ask. These people are NOT your allies, are they? Think about it!</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cinnamonape, I can only conclude you have never experienced depression first hand.  Pretty hurtful reply to a fellow fdl commenter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cinnamonape, I can only conclude you have never experienced depression first hand.  Pretty hurtful reply to a fellow fdl commenter.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1021379&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Blub @ 139&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think that the 5 year delay for children of legal immigrants is intended to prevent the US healthcare system for assuming liability of illnesses acquired abroad.. but that makes no sense, because it takes at least 5 years for immigrants to get naturalized in the first place, right?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On Public Health grounds this simply is utterly irrational. Kids like this are precisely the ones that need to be covered….because those diseases “acquired abroad” are the ones that need to be diagnosed and treated early before these kids start interacting with other kids and adults.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s a recipe for an epidemic! And it’s why this “exception” needs to be dealt with as soon as a new, more rational President, and a larger, more rational majority in Congress comes in, in 2008!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1021379"><em>Blub @ 139</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I think that the 5 year delay for children of legal immigrants is intended to prevent the US healthcare system for assuming liability of illnesses acquired abroad.. but that makes no sense, because it takes at least 5 years for immigrants to get naturalized in the first place, right?</p>
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<p>On Public Health grounds this simply is utterly irrational. Kids like this are precisely the ones that need to be covered….because those diseases “acquired abroad” are the ones that need to be diagnosed and treated early before these kids start interacting with other kids and adults.</p>
<p>That’s a recipe for an epidemic! And it’s why this “exception” needs to be dealt with as soon as a new, more rational President, and a larger, more rational majority in Congress comes in, in 2008!</p>
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