Peter Baker of the Washington Post has scored a remarkable series of interviews with recently-departed BushWorld denizens. The article is remarkable for its low irony quotient, and remarkable for one Peter Baker admission. Clearly it is an attempt to allow some prominent rats-leaving-the-sinking-ship an opportunity to craft a legacy for themselves apart from the fetid legacy of Dear Leader.
But what struck me was the emphasis on sleep.
Unlike Dear Leader, for instance, Iraq War Adviser Meghan O’Sullivan still has her sleep disturbed, just four days after leaving her White House job:
Too soon, evidently, for the dreams to end. “In fact, I was dreaming about Iraq last night,” she said. “And I woke up and thought, ‘When do you think this will stop?’ ”
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[snip]
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“I’m not dreaming of Iraq imploding or anything like that,” she said. “But I’m often in Iraq. Or I’ll dream about something Iraq-related or something that’s happening. Sometimes it might be particularly movielike. But a lot of it is just because I’m processing what I’ve done all day.” The now-former aide corrected herself: “What I did all day.”
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[snip]
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But she admitted, “I’m a big dreamer.” In both senses of the phrase, she added.
In a just world, Meghan, your Iraq nightmares will never stop. And they will always be big.
[Former White House Director of Strategic Initiatives Pete] Wehner, who recalled losing sleep in 2006 when the war seemed to be further slipping away, blames former defense secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. “It was mishandled in a lot of ways,” he said. “The administration went in with a plausible approach and a plausible strategy, but it was wrong. The secretary of defense didn’t make the adjustments that he ought to have and there’s a cost to that and that’s something you live with.”
Maybe it’s something you live with, Pete, but almost 5,000 Americans and untold Iraqis have died with it.
And sweet Sara Taylor, aide to Rove who ran the White House political office where most nefarious plans were hatched?
“The first couple weeks are euphoria because you can sleep and all that,” said Sara Taylor, the White House political director who spent eight years working for Bush before leaving in May.
Back to young Miss O’Sullivan, who describes her life plan thusly:
“The first thing I’m going to do is recapture my life,” she said. “I’m taking a poetry class here. I’m going to do a triathlon. And I’m going to break all kinds of records on sleep. And then I’m going to devote the time to thinking about what happened, to thinking about the lessons learned.”
It sounds to me as if wee Meghan is planning a return to power, like Rumsfeld and Cheney did during their years in the wilderness. This one we need to watch, should she avoid her well-deserved trip to The Hague.
The journamailizm reached a crescendo, though, during Peter Baker’s conversation with Karl Rove, when we learn that no one’s really off-leash yet.
But it’s not as if he has gone off the reservation. At the end of the interview, he asked that his quotes be sent to the White House first. “I’m still a cog in the great machine,” he explained.
And, by the way — Peter? Did you sent Rove’s quotes to the White House for approval? Did you also send Bartlett’s, and O’Sullivan’s, and Wehner’s, and Inboden’s? Does seeking a legacy for war criminals still require approval of the White House? Because if so, you are also still a cog in the great machine.
Sleep well, cogs.
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Good evening, firepups!
zeddy?
no zed :(
Hi Teddy, i’ll let downstairs know
Teddy!!!
That is a really cool post Teddy SF!
Hi mb, snarky, boy i missed this place
I was just reading this article, Teddy, and I’m glad you gave us a forum to discuss it!
Fuck ‘em all, and the horses of the Apocalypse they rode in on.
Evening all. Wishing all the fleeing Bushies the foulest, most horrifying nightmares being lived by all the the Iraqis and American military personnel now for all eternity.
TSF! *smooches* i hope every fucking one of those assholes has nightmares that last into the grave. (spitting) fuckers
madmommy @ 9
I suggest we let the horses of the apocalypse fuck them (with sand in the vaseline).
Good evening, all. Isn’t it amazing? Even when you don’t work at the White House anymore, Peter Baker’s still on his knees for you. And clearing your quotes.
Must bug Rove to have Perino clear his quotes nowadays.
“It was mishandled in a lot of ways,” he said. “The administration went in with a plausible approach and a plausible strategy, but it was wrong.” Err… Houston, we have a problem…!!!
DrDick @ 12
Thanks so much for that vivid mental image, and so close to bedtime, too!
excellent post, tsf. Read the orig. earlier, didn’t pick up on the sleep theme. That’s why you’re a headliner *g*
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 7
Did you have a vacation?
these evil pukes did it for the money…and the glory
I remember reading about Meghan O’Sullivan (have to look for the link) but she didn’t sound like a neocon. Apparently she was/is respected and familiar with reality, but stayed too long. It should have been obvious a long time ago the clowns were in charge and she couldn’t fix this mess.
TSF! In an indirect way, many of them seem to be saying they’re recovering from Group Think.
Flagpole Sitta – Harvey Danger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xzxDRA93Nk
Suzanne @ 11
Ain’t Karma a b*tch…??? Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri! I’m making chicken ala king, tonite!!! *g*
SnarKassandra @ 17
Spent a 2nd toobless week in rural wisconsin painting diningroom & sunroom for my mom. A vacation of sorts as i was well fed & lots of visiting with relatives
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 16
Why, thank you! And welcome back from your break.
The sleep claims resonated, as I’ve never forgotten Dear Leader’s claim to sleep so well.
TeddySanFran @ 23
And yet, for all the rest he claims to be getting, he looks like shit on toast. Wonder why?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 22
You’re such a dear, Ma Cheri!!! *g*
TeddySanFran @ 23
Yes, well true sociopaths never have a problem sleeping, as they have no conscience or feeling for anyone else.
TheOtherWA @ 19
The article describes her turning in a school paper on Palestine, and the teacher keeping her after class to explain that there wasn’t a Palestine anymore. Clearly a current events guru (she’s 38, not that there’s anything wrong with that, but running a war? jeebus)
I bet that heartless bastoid sleeps (with a little help from doctor feelgood’s magic pills), with a smile on his face from enjoying the fact that he is fucking with everyone else’s sleep.
no wonder our policies are so fucked up – everyone but boosh is sleep deprived.
madmommy @ 24
Because he is shit on toast?
madmommy @ 24
Because he is shit on toast.
Suzanne @ 28
Swear bucket sure is filling fast tonite!
newdealfarngrrrlll
That sounds wonderful. And welcome back!
I wish I was their neighbor so I could blast anti-war songs on the stereo at 3 AM.
Back to young Miss O’Sullivan, who describes her life plan thusly:
“The first thing I’m going to do is recapture my life,” she said. “I’m taking a poetry class here. I’m going to do a triathlon. And I’m going to break all kinds of records on sleep. And then I’m going to devote the time to thinking about what happened, to thinking about the lessons learned.”
And isn’t it perfect that we now have an official Department of Lessons Learned?
Is this an opportune time to point out that Peter Baker’s chatting at the Washington Post Online tomorrow at 11am eastern?
Questions may be submitted anytime.
EvilDrPuma @ 33
Like this one?
I’m sure they want to sleep…deeply and dreamlessly, to awaken in a world where they are not the authors of all this madness and death, of this bleak future based on endless war. The destruction of Iraq, Afghanistan, the US Constitution, most of our alliances, and our economy can then recede into the past for them, or blamed on the Democrats, and they can regain the perspective of distance, analyze their mistakes…and start plotting their return to power.
So they can do it right this time.
TeddySanFran @ 31
sorry teddy – didn’t mean to sully your nice pretty clean thread. i’ll go wash out my fingers with soap now.
Ah, ndfg. I knew the place was lighter somehow. Welcome back.
madmommy @ 24
Because he IS shit on toast. This has been another edition of “Simple Answers to Simple Questions.”
Suzanne @ 28
I assume it’s the meds too. He goes to bed at 9 every night because he’s probably on a strict med schedule to keep his alcohol soaked brain functioning. Such as it is.
Loo Hoo. @ 34
I bet her poems even rhyme.
TeddySanFran @ 31
707!!! I didn’t hear the coins being deposited…!!! ;-)
DrDick @ 36
I’ll take your word for it; I’m on an archaic dialup connection.
TeddySanFran @ 23
while in home town, gossip was clucking about local 49-yr-old man who died of injuries caused by falling down basement stairs while sleepwalking. My first thought on reading this excellent post was “why can’t some of those #@^&*$! sleepwalkers in DC suffer the same fate?” But then remembered this blog’s commendable policy of nonviolence & tossed a quarter in Suzanne’s jar.
TheOtherWA @ 41
Functioning? You call that functioning?
Look at how the police is hurting this girl. She is my age. :(
CTuttle @ 25
Thank you! (grins modestly)
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 45
thanks, ndfg, as you can tell, i started out running a deficit (laughing)
EvilDrPuma @ 44
Black Sabbath’s “War Pigs”. Guaranteed to piss off yur neighbors if played at full volume at 3 am (actually it will piss off some of us at any time, but it certainly makes a point).
RonD @ 37
Somehow I think that is the plan beginning immediately after the presidential election. Collective amnesia will set in, and the next administration will be pilloried for having to deal with the fallout of the current administration’s colossal screw-ups. And the idiot masses will eat it up with a big spoon.
Loo Hoo. @ 34
If the fact checker was a single mom living in DC, she would qualify for assistance under SCHIP. Guess we know what value this administration puts on facts.
Source Watch.
Anyone who’s considered a rising star in Bushworld is no friend to the country.
As Emily Litella would say, “Never mind!”
SnarKassandra @ 47
When one starts from the belief that violence is an acceptable way to solve problems, one tends to resort to solving problems violently.
SnarKassandra @ 47
Some people should not be placed in positions of power. I am sure that racial prejudice played absolutely no role in this incident either.
Prime Minister of Iraq says that Blackwater murdered Iraqis and suggests that they should be tried for it. That ain’t a gunna fly with Clusterfuck—-
I don’t know how Iraqis feel about american corporations murdering their aunties. I wouldn’t think it would be very popular.
Speaking of sleep, “Dream On…!!!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHc3sOXkjOw
newtonusr @ 39
thanks! Talked a LOT about the Lake, my 73-yr-old fave aunt can hardly wait to get internet & have me introduce her to progressive blogs (rubs hands with glee)
Rage Against The Machine – Know Your Enemy
BTW, Loo Hoo, I read up last night’s thread early today, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.You and demi both, if she’s here. You are too kind, and I thank you again.
EvilDrPuma @ 54
That is why our house is completely violence free except with swim noodles in the pool.
madmommy @ 51
Unless we find a way to get rid of the Media Corpse stranglehold. I’m hoping Dan Rather’s lets in a lot of sunshine regarding that. But it’s still going to take a lot of work to do away with the infotainment. A helluva lot of work, like everything else we have to clean up.
madmommy @ 51
More likely, I fear, if BigDog is advising the Mrs from the East Wing. He of “let bygones be bygones” over Iran/Contra and other assorted errors and crimes of the Reagan/Bush regime.
And now my life has changed in oh so many ways,
My independence seems to vanish in the haze…
Help! – The Beatles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rOrp2u-rSc
SnarKassandra @ 61
An excellent policy. Unfortunately, the majority of Americans persist in the belief that violence is an acceptable way to solve problems.
SnarKassandra @ 61
What was that poor girl accused of doing and what happened to her eventually?
Every base impulse is a slippery slope. If it were not, there’d be no need for civilization.
JMO.
An official Iraqi investigation into a deadly shooting involving Blackwater USA security guards raised the number of Iraqis killed to 17 and found the gunfire was unwarranted, the government said Sunday. It also said the shootings amounted to a deliberate crime and recommended those involved face trial.
The Blackwater guards are accused of opening fire on Iraqi civilians in a main square in Baghdad on Sept. 16. They claimed they came under fire first.
The Iraqi investigative committee, which was ordered by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, found that convoys from the Moyock, N.C.-based security company did not come under direct or indirect fire before the men shot up the intersection.
rwcole @ 56
Now, maybe, Maliki will introduce legislation showing us to the door…!!!
marymccurnin @ 66
I don’t know but I bet she was just scared.
SnarKassandra @ 70
She is so tiny and he is a big fat jerk.
aliasofwestgate @ 62
Local (former) KTVU reporter Leslie Griffith writes in the HuffPo in support of Dan Rather. Very interesting post about what it was like to work for a FOX affliate newsroom.
I think we are going to see more and more media types start to talk about what has happened to their profession (and by who).
RonD, my pleasure.
marymccurnin @ 66
Mary – I don’t know either, but I have a frightening feeling that it turned into resisting arrest, and that’s all.
TeddySanFran @ 63
Yeah, cause look how well pardoning after Watergate worked out. The current regime’s members from back then knew they could do as they liked and walk away scot free. The only way to begin to restore our world reputation is to uphold the Constitution and make sure that those who would trample upon it are held accountable.
radiofreewill @ 64
That was a Fabulous video of the Fab Four…!!! *g*
CTuttle @ 69
Apologies for being a Law Geek again, but if we wanted to try these guys under U.S. law, what court would have jurisdiction, and where would venue be proper? Because if you try these guys before a jury in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina, they are walkin’ for sure. That’s the heart of Jesse Helms Country.
From the Leslie Griffith Huffpo link:
Here is more.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/10/5/172241/181
Suzanne @ 78
That’s how the mafia works, too.
I think that girl being arrested was violating curfew. Something trivial like that. Absolutely disgusting what that cop did.
burnspbesq @ 77
Why not try them in Iraq, I don’t think Bremer’s CPA edict #17, IRCC, holds any water, in the first place…!!!
Suzanne @ 78
I sensed that happening right when i was going into school for broadcsting. I wasn’t quite as aware of the tricks as i am now, thanks to those classes. But i started to see the politics behind it and the patterns. I quietly dropped the classes and went elsewhere. No way was i going to have my ethics pounded on like that.
hackworth @ 80
Instead of impeachment, maybe we should try to get them charged with RICO violation.
I truly believe that he was compromised by previous knowledge of Iran-Contra, especially the guns/drugs trade being carried out of the Nena, Arkansas airport. He couldn’t have pursued it without revealing his own complicity(part of what made him an acceptable candidate to the powers-that-be). No conspiracy-just someone smart enough to not tell on himself.
That would come later.
twȝk @ 59
Art imitating society, for sure.
Suzanne @ 78
I’m not a frequent local news watcher, but if I had to watch it, it would have been Leslie and Dennis @ ktvu. Real journalists are tough to find anywhere, and especially in local news, but Leslie is a pro. HuffPo is very lucky to have her.
TheOtherWA @ 81
I can’t watch the video from home, but the description Cassie posts reads to me like a lot of recent police brutality incidents. Unfortunately, as long as it remains acceptable for officers to make “nonlethal force” a first resort, this is going to keep happening.
Sorry…”Mena”. Preview is my friend.
newton, leslie is no longer with ktvu. iirc, they parted ways very suddenly and lots of folks were wondering the why. i think she just gave the answer.
Loo Hoo. @ 86
rage against the machine – freedom
SnarKassandra @ 6
Hear, hear! Bravo Teddy. She gives new meaning to “so much for sisterhood”. ;~)
The Peter Baker thing sounded vaguely Shakespearean, as in:
Suzanne @ 84
I have have said for years that we should RICO the whole GOP. The case just gets stronger every day.
CTuttle @ 82
Why not try them in Iraq? I’d like to see them get something at least slightly like a fair trial. Silly me.
things to do…back to lurking.
Back in a little while.
Dr. Paul Bearer: “I’ll be lurking for you!”
Yeah.
So, is it wrong to wish every one of them would get ebola, or maybe pustulent sores on their faces, and bad reactions to shellfish?
Greetings to everyone tonight. Not better enough for a dive, but definitely up to dipping my toes in.
I know you know, you wanna know, how I feel, but I…
Can’t Even Tell – Soul Asylum (Clerks Soundtrack)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CPo2v9ujug
CTuttle @ 14
That jumped out at me too. The plausible approach was really implausible. The plausible stategery was also implausible. This guy is completely full of crap. He then talks about adjustments that needed to be made. More nonsense.
If they were planning on chaos and civil war then they accomplished their goals. I think they planned on that and pretended otherwise. Greeted as liberators. Flowers and candy.
burnspbesq @ 95
What’s the diff…!!! ;-)
masaccio @ 97
And virulent peanut allergy.
To bed for me, pups. The little guy is switching from half days to full time at school, so we’ve got some adjusting to do. He’s still got extra speech therapy 2x week so the logistics will be interesting. Whatever it takes, though!
DrDick @ 102
Is leprosy too much?
madmommy @ 103
Niters madmommy & sweet dreams.
‘Night, MM.
masaccio @ 97
Oh, how I wish it were possible! Speaking of which, I was thinking of the “Hot Zone” not long ago. A curse on ALL their houses…
Night MM. Good luck with the little guy. Moving to full days sounds like a step up.
masaccio @ 97
YMMV, but I wouldn’t do that.
Romans 12:19-21.
Speaking of HuffPo, Pachacutec’s GOP/Boy Band Guru post is up over there as well.
Suzanne @ 90
Thanks Suz!
Hugh @ 93
707!
Does anyone know who HuffPo seems to support for the primary?
For anyone interested here is a rundown of SCHIP facts. From Brad DeLong’s blog. You can follow links to source on Mankiw’s blog.
Bush administration is lying about SCHIP. Heard Pelosi today in a news clip talk about it. Glad to see she had gathered the guts to call Bush administration on its bald face lies. The news report included pathetic response from Bush administration spokesman, and the reporter concluded (correctly) that spokesman could not really answer Peolosi’s charges. So, I hope the timid Democratic leadership learns that confronting Bush administration BS head on always has big rewards.
Basically two things are going on. Bush is trying to sell a program cut as a businesslike focus on efficient program targeting core population (but, it will end up being a big program cut). Second, Bush administration is portraying policies and guidelines it has followed and approved itself for years as a wild eyed radical spendthrift commie Democratic plot. This is convenient now that the SCHIP bill that mostly follows existing guidelines is being approved in a Democratic congress. Extracts from post and link below:
SCHIP facts from Jason Furman:
–The President supports a proposal that would reduce annual spending on SCHIP relative to inflation and reduce the number of covered children and pregnant women by 840,000 according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO)…
–The Democrats and a substantial number of Senate Republicans support a proposal whose principal focus is covering low-income children who are currently eligible (3.2 million according to CBO) plus expanding coverage modestly to new children (600,000 according to CBO). In total 85 percent of the coverage expansion is for those who are already eligible but are not getting coverage either because the funding limits…
–Although the SCHIP legislation is typically described as “costing” $35 billion, much of this sum is needed simply to maintain the current enrollment and service levels. Democrats insisted that the entire $35 billion be paid for without increasing the deficit…
–States have always enjoyed flexibility on setting their own income eligibility levels under the SCHIP program. And since 2001, the Administration has actively encouraged states to apply for waivers to use SCHIP funds for adults. All but two of the waivers covering parents or adults without children were approved by this Administration…
–About three-quarters of people covered by SCHIP are in HMOs run by private insurance companies. Moreover, the new bill expands private insurance options for SCHIP beneficiaries…
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/…..an-of.html
Suzanne @ 72
Suzanne, I particularly liked this little gem:
The press knew this was a bait and switch, but fearing reporters and anchors might appear unpatriotic, the corporate media made it clear that even if George W. Bush played twister in the nude while a few sheets to the wind instead of going to constitutional law classes at Yale, we were not allowed to talk about it.
I, for one, want more info on this!
Hugh @ 93
Much better title for this post than the one I plucked.
TeddySanFran @ 110
Saw that the other day. Can’t say it really surprises me (he always seemed the type), but creeps me out none-the-less. Goddamn Repug perverts.
Cassandra stands atop the high dive with eyes closed. Imagines the perfect double back flip in pike position and the perfect landing. She opens her eyes and notices the clock.
ACK!!!!!!!
Quick run. Flying leap. Sloppy jump. Very fast run back to the clubhouse with no towel. Doesn’t stop to pick up neatly folded clothes or to wipe feet. Hops in the shower and washes up very fast, brushing teeth in the shower. Quick dry, and between the sheets before the clock strikes 11.
Sigh.
Good night. :)
Night Cassie. Sleep well.
SnarKassandra @ 118
busted, young lady. get back here and clean up this mess or you are grounded.
Good night, Cassie. Don’t hurt yourself running around like that.
madmommy @ 103
I empathize, MM, my man-cub is medically home-schooled!!! Nite!
Goodnight, Ms. Cassie.
Nite, Cassie!!!
No running poolside!
burnspbesq @ 109
Intellectually and morally, I have to agree with you, but dayam if my inner Okie doesn’t start dreaming of boiling oil, pestilence, and lakes of fire.
TeddySanFran @ 125
Spoil sport!!! :P
Night, Cassie.
Oh Teddy, that’s brilliant. Thanks from those of us who wish we could have thought of something to say that’s worthy of the occasion.
God, those people make me sick. But not near so sick as do the Democratic leadership who can’t bring themselves to confront the the remnants of that ragtag mob.
hmmpffft – running poolside AND leaving a mess – looks like miss cassie just lost diving privileges for a while
Breaking out of RATM mode
Teletubbies: Shake That Ass Bitch
Great post, Teddy. I read the article you linked to. Seems Meghan O’Sullivan is a Bookings Institute product. Not quite the neocon nirvana of the Heritage foundation, where pimply faced applicants found their way to building a neocon kid nation. Fourty kids, one nation, no adults.
How’s that werkin fer ya’?
wigwam @ 129
If they’re not careful, they’ll be the focal point of that ragtag mob…!!! ;-)
burnspbesq @ 109
The problem with those verses is that we aren’t seeing the wrath of the Almighty any more. These people waltz off, leaving the dead and wounded behind, and suffer no consequences, live peacefully, no shame, no sense of the evil they wrought, and larded with money. I want retribution.
TeddySanFran @ 110
If Ric Keller isn’t up to his eyeballs in the recently discovered escapades of the Republican boys club variety, I’ll eat my hat.
The fat guy Orlando boy band manager was as obvious as M*chael J*ckson after Off Teh Wall. IIRC, many of the acts started out at Disney World with his assistance. Didn’t he manage Britney Spears’ early career, too?
TeddySanFran @ 110
He got to use his icon too :D
TJ @ 113
Not Hillary, that’s for sure!
Shrub was at a fallen firefighter memorial, today, where were the NYFD contingent…???
Sometimes I feel like telling all the candidates that I don’t care what they will do if elected, my vote will be based on what they accomplish NOW. I don’t care if they don’t have the votes to pass things. The votes should be happening daily. And a simple, controlled message ought to be delivered about the failure.
CTuttle @ 138
His advance team wouldn’t dare let any of them within five miles of the place.
Simplified pick-up rules…Just clap your hands, just clap your hands, just clap your hands, if you’re…
Horny – OPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpZiD0qtbwU
Good evening dear friends.
A cake to go with your post Teddy.
Loo Hoo. @ 115
George W. Bush playing Twister in the nude?
Brain bleach, stat!
Hiya Betsy!
I thought it was cute how Rove wanted to redefine himself, instead of his remaindered days being called “Bush’s Guy.”
Even Bush’s brain is abandoning him.
Oh, wait…
Hey TJ. How ya feelin? How’s the back?
Less meds and less pain. I’m starting to feel some hope!
Every day I’ve whined has made me amazed at your strength.
DrDick @ 126
I hear you. Believe me, I hear you. But they aren’t worth it. If we stoop to their level, they win.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 16
Damn straight. I just read the article before coming here and I didn’t catch it, either.
Awesome post, Teddy.
Oilfieldguy @ 145
Like he’ll ever get that albatross from around his neck. When the GOP goes down in 2008, it’ll be known forever in their circles as Rove’s Year.
TJ @ 139
DING! (as npb would say)
burnspbesq @ 149
Does that mean I shouldn’t hope that the karmic bus will run over them?
I hear you. Believe me, I hear you.
grr, screwed up the nesting again. Can you fix me, Suzanne?
TJ @ 148
I whine plenty. Ask the kids. Also keep myself distracted, pay attention to stretching and posture, etc.
Looks like there may be a surgery though that can decrease the pain up to 75%. Will know more after next set of MRI’s.
TJ @ 154
refresh the page and i think i got it right
TexBetsy @ 155
Wow. That sounds great. Hope it works out for you.
Anyone try the cake?
http://nyrampage.files.wordpre…..ke-084.jpg
TJ @ 154
Speaking of which, will the edit function ever be available again???
TexBetsy @ 155
any luck on finding resources for that special machine your insurance won’t cover because you are in texas?
TexBetsy @ 158
Looks tasty, but makes me feel rather like an old school Mormon.
Thanks Dr D. Not that I look forward to spinal surgery, but I think I can get myself to think PAST the first few weeks.
TexBetsy @ 155
I will keep thoughts of success for that heading your way. That would be incredible.
I really enjoyed getting to listen to my favorite CD during my MRI. But even though I gave them 2, they only put one in and I spent half the time listening to hiphop.
CTuttle @ 159
It is there for me.
TexBetsy @ 155
Good luck! My own surgery back in may reduced mine by about 50 or 60% but it’s still hard to work without medication. *hugs* I’m with ya on the chonic pain thing. Any relief is worth it.
i like that cake, tex :)
ct- from what i can gather, it depends on what brower/operating system you have – some folks DO have the edit feature and others don’t. unfortunately, that is a WP problem and not something we can fix here at the lake. there was a WP upgrade that wiped it out for most readers :(
Suzanne @ 160
Still not sure there wasn’t a communication gap between what the doc told me and the prescription that the company got. All up in the air. I’ll make phone calls tomorrow.
DrDick @ 164
Firefox?
CTuttle @ 159
Yeah, I feel bad asking Suz to correct my screwups. The I hear you part was actually burns’, but I agree with the sentiment so it’s fine, lol.
Suzanne @ 166
I run Firefox and have it.
Now is better than…
In the Year 2525 – Zager and Evans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZpgvrnuFQ
TexBetsy @ 158
Blue food doesn’t agree with me. But the faces are cute!
TJ my place doesn’t do the CD thing. Anyway, machine is too damn loud.
Didn’t Justin Timberlake endorse a Republican Presidential Candidate a couple months ago? It seems his former mentor Lou Pearlman may have had an impact (ahem!..) on the youth’s political persuasions.
DrDick @ 171
I run Firefox and I don’t.
DrDick @ 170
Mac or PC?
TeddySanFran @ 172
For you I’ll find one with lots of men in the bed. :)
hackworth @ 174
One suspects multiple (ahem! ….) impacts.
tex, can i have lots of men in bed too?
CTuttle @ 176
PC
I have edit for my most recent comment only. Firefox on the mac. No edit for firefox on the PC.
TexBetsy @ 174
They did have to blast the music, but I just pretended I was at a concert. I’m sorry you won’t have the benefit. I couldn’t believe how much faster the time went with music.
Best wishes on fixing the pain, TexBetsy. Surgery sounds rough, but not as rough as constant pain.
Suzanne @ 179
Sure!
Any other cake preferences?
DrDick @ 180
Hmmm, I’ve the same config…
TexBetsy @ 181
I have edit on all of my posts with Firefox on a PC.
TJ @ 153
The bus will arrive on time; we just don’t know the schedule.
I trust God to handle it. But I’m only human, and sometimes I do find myself wishing he’d stamp it “EXPEDITE.”
DrDick @ 187
I want Dr. Dick’s PC. My PC has none.
burnspbesq @ 187
And step on the gas pedal.
TeddySanFran @ 172
That’s periwinkle, Teddy. Totally different animal. But the gals in the bed is what caught my eye!
burnspbesq @ 188
Oh cripes I did it again. I swear to you all, I’ve stopped taking the muscle relaxers. But it doesn’t appear my brain has realized it yet.
TJ @ 192
you are just outta practice and forget to scroll down to the last / blockquote carrot thingie before typing.
TJ @ 191
My pleasure, TJ.
burnspbesq @ 187
I think that is part of my problem. Hard to leave it in God’s hands if you do not believe in God. (Hate to admit that the Rightards are right about anything, but I really am a godless commie).
TJ @ 192
Cripes, I Did It Again. Somebody ought to write a song…
Whatever you do, do not click this link!
Oilfieldguy @ 197
You’re right about that. Gahhhhh!
Any Sonic Youth fans out there tonight?
What do y’all think of Thurston Moore’s new solo album?
TexBetsy @ 184
ooohh, the things i miss when i’m off doin’ chores. My request is same as what Suze ordered. (Currently my bed is full of males … hairy and affectionate but, alas, as cats they tend to hairballs and invisible misquito chasing.)
Thank you for counting it toward out of practice. It just annoys the heck out of me that I can manage it twice in 10 minutes!
But seriously, it’s wonderful to feel up to really participating here. I know I’m not saying anything profound, but it still feels good to interact instead of lurk.
Oilfieldguy @ 197
one of the few times when dialup is a good thing – i was able to make a hasty retreat before it finished loading the page
DrDick @ 189
And then Reverse
Oilfieldguy @ 197
The young (dreamy) Shatner!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 200
I have a similar problem. Share my bed with two females, both of the feline persuasion.
PHILA.SOPHICAL-The DJ Revolution
So all the little cogs just want to dream, do they?
Of a time when they could ‘create their own reality’, perchance?
Oh, little cogs, do you hear that sound building in the distance?
The sound of all the disenfranchised souls, cheated out of health and opportunity while cogs sleeplessly scurried about doing their master’s bidding.
The sound of all the men and women sent into harm’s way, lives destroyed for corporate profit and ideological supremacy…And their families, now with a black hole where love once lived.
The sound of an iron door shutting permanently on any return to the way ‘things once were’ in a long-ago fantasy world ginned up by cynical manipulators to fleece the marks.
The sound is getting louder every day, cogs.
And you won’t sleep through it for much longer.
Suzanne & Teddy, here are six men on a cake. How you two divide them up, and what you do from here on …. your business.
Oilfieldguy @ 197
707!
TJ, so good to have you back participating. And we can figure out which part is the reply.
TexBetsy @ 208
ROFLMAO! hmmm, i wonder who has more senority at the lake – me or teddy?
Oilfieldguy @ 197
Sneaky little bugger, eh???
This cake comes with your choice of men!
Suzanne @ 211
Go all Solomon, cut’em in half…!!! ;-)
tj, don’t worry about it… the lurking mod was kept busy last night fixing someone else (coughctcough) who kept doing the same thing.
Oilfieldguy @ 197
OK. I’m going to find Atrios, the General, and gavin – see if we can start up a YouTube war. aack!
Suzanne @ 215
Eh, it was the hunger pangs, I wanted dessert, err… din-din!!! ;-)
This just might be my best cake yet! Sorry Teddy, but it is blue.
newton, scrounge up skippy too – he has some horrible ones in his repertoire.
Only one deviant exists to find such a utoobe dealy. I found it at Drifty’s place.
Suzanne @ 219
As bad as Gavin and Atrios? I NEVER click on their YouTubes (too horrible to contemplate)!
Suzanne @ 219
howsabout kitchschy-cute? ladybug picnic
Well, I should head out. I have students to abuse again tomorrow. Take care and enjoy the snark, but do not click on the Oilfield Guy’s link.
Lookee here – a quarter for the jukebox.
The Jayhawks, “Save It for a Rainy Day.”
Goodnight DrDick
From the EW department:
Man donates sperm for grandchild
from BBC World
A 72-year-old man is to become a sperm donor for his own “grandchild”, it is reported.
I’d like to ask Ms. O’Sullivan the following question.
If you went to sleep and dreamed that the ghosts of all of those killed in Iraq since Bush launched his misbegotten war, US and Iraqi, were to march by your bed, one by one, how long would your dream last?
-GSD
Night Dr D.
OK. Who believes THIS one?
Stun guns ’safe’, study suggests
from BBC World
Taser electric stun guns used by the police for law enforcement are safe, a US study finds.
GSD @ 227
I personally hope that each and everyone of them screams at her bedside each and every night for all eternity.
Oilfieldguy @ 220
Oh, for the newbies and lurkers and just plain clueless, like me, Driftglass is to whom I refer. A most astonishing blogger, who runs his site hisself and posts maybe a half-dozen posts a week.
Bookmark and never miss one of his posts. One of Digby’s favorites, and praise does not come any higher than that.
Check out the Firedogs at the beginning of the video!
Hair of the Dog – Nazareth (with anime)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCgPh-iUcEk
(waving to the leaving sleepy pups who do not have tomorrow as a holiday and must head into work in the am)
TexBetsy @ 227
isn’t that genetically stupid?
DrDick @ 229
Can we extend that to every member of the administration, including Novak and Judith Miller and the good people over at Fixed News?
Dana Perino, as to the Torture Memos, via TPM;
“The appropriate members of the Congress were briefed”; “Intelligence Committee members were briefed”; “I have been told they were fully briefed”; and so on. Asked specifically if lawmakers had been “fully briefed on the actual memos,” the White House spokesperson said, “Yes.”
Since then there have been quite a few lawmakers who’ve said the opposite.
Sen. John Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said he has not been briefed. “I find it unfathomable that the committee tasked with oversight of the C.I.A.’s detention and interrogation program would be provided more information by The New York Times than by the Department of Justice,” Rockefeller told acting Attorney General Peter Keisler.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said she has not been briefed. Asked on Fox News this morning whether she’d been briefed about the secret memos, Pelosi said, “No, not about the secret memos…. The reality is, the Administration refused to disclose the program to the full Committee for five years, and they have refused to turn over key legal documents since day one.”
Do they ever fact check…???
CTuttle @ 235
F-f-f-f-fact?
What is this word?
Oilfieldguy @ 230
You are, of course, right on the money.
Mandatory stop here.
CTuttle, does it matter if they fact check?
It sure doesn’t seem as though there are really any repercussions.
I mean subverting the constitution isn’t something egregious like getting a pricey hair-cut, having a cackle like laugh or not wearing a pledge pin.
-GSD
TexBetsy @ 236
Likewise, B-b-b-brief…!!! *g*
well, Burma’s junta appears to be taking a cue from shrubco
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..index.html
they’re claiming to have discovered hidden weapons (just weapons, not WMD) in the monasteries of pacifest monks.
shrubco should recruit these amateur propagandists. They share a common skillset for incredible fabrication
As I sit here smiling, I’ve decided that the lake provides better fellowship than any church I’ve been to. And I firmly believe that whatever power may be would approve of us foul-mouthed bloggers.
CTuttle @ 239
Brief? That is the next layer down in that last cake I posted.
TJ @ 241
I tend to agree.
TexBetsy @ 242
And you can’t wait to get to the third layer, right?
TexBetsy @ 213
Where do you find those things?
GSD @ 238
I tells ya, it is infuriating what these B*st*rds have gotten away with, as of yet…!!! Where’s that Bus???
TexBetsy @ 226
Certain ick factor on this one.
Fern @ 245
is why she is the queen of snack food at late nite
radiofreewill @ 231
Ah, the MoHawk SaberTooth FireTail variety FireDog.
RRRRAAAAWWWWWW
TJ @ 233
burnspbesq @ 244
WHo me? Hell no. I want an actual relationship please. THEN we’ll explore the rest of the cake.
TexBetsy @ 251
Picky, aren’t we…!!! ;-)
TexBetsy @ 236
OOOOOhhhh fact, Perino thought it was F.A.Q!
There was a reunion somewhere of US servicemembers who once interrogated Nazis.
They found playing chess elicited a lot of information.
Imagine this crowd in DC now.
“Franklin Roosevelt wants to play chess with Nazis instead of interrogating them!”
-GSD
This story in tomorrow’s NYT is really freaking me out.
If this stuff can happen in Switzerland, it can surely happen here (I’m sure some would argue that it already has — I’m a bit more optimistic than that).
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..ref=slogin
TexBetsy @ 251
ick (holding fingers in front of self warding off the r word)
To departing members of the Administration, seeking slumber and treasure
… May your dreams find you.
;>)
That’s exactly what they would have said. Right before they started the impeachment hearings.
Suzanne @ 256
The “R” word:
runlikehell?
burnspbesq @ 255
Egads. It seems like it’s the 50s
newtonusr @ 259
relationship… been there, done that, got the restraining orders to show for it
burnspbesq @ 255
More @ swissinfo
darkblack @ 257
Niiiice.
I see Dana Perino singing the “Mad Scene” from Lucia di Lammermoor.
And Fran Townsend maniacally rubbing her blouse, saying “out, out, damned spot.”
TexBetsy @ 228
Betcha the study was funded by Tasers*R*Us.
darkblack @ 257
707! good one
twȝk @ 249
Haha. yeah those are perfect. Figures that they’re Final Fantasy: Advent Children beasties. The song fits perfect for their use of it. hehe.
G’nite, Twok and fellow ‘pups!
Let It Loose – Rolling Stones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJcnWkekI8
Nite, Rfw!!!
radiofreewill @ 267
gn, thx 4 dj’n
Well, isn’t that special — Krugman knows his Talking Heads lyrics.
Perhaps if I take Monday’s column to the river, and dip it in the water, it will start to make sense.
Painting with a too-broad brush today, Doc.
burnspbesq @ 263
As Dick mutters in the dock, “I followed him to serve my turn upon him…Honest“
;>)
burnspbesq @ 255
Wow.
they snooze, we lose
Here’s the link to the story about the true American heroes who knew that torture, maiming and brutality merely ruin those that perpetrate the horrors.
Our once great nation…..
-GSD
darkblack @ 271
W – “Shooter! You’re cheatin’ You’re supposed to JUMP!”
New moons can bring nights of terror, in the age of Booosh.
darkblack @ 271
Is that Rice in a bag? Bush looks half in the bag himself.
-GSD
Condom Fashion Show in China
hey et – how’s alaska tonight?
GSD @ 277
Ball Psalm-ick vinegar for the fundies
punaise @ 278
Oh, my.
Downstairs we had a little discussion going on where I said that Bush is a conservative and we should not let others put any daylight between themselves.
Apparently Krugman agrees.
punaise @ 278
love the hat
your govt at work for you!
burnspbesq @ 270
I see what you’re saying;
Now, as they survey the wreckage of their cause, conservatives may ask themselves: “Well, how did we get here?” They may tell themselves: “This is not my beautiful Right.” They may ask themselves: “My God, what have we done?”
However, I thought he nailed it…!!!
punaise @ 273
eggs-acklee
Ed*ard Teller @ 275
Dick had a condition…Can’t show you the note, you understand.
;>)
GSD @ 277
Simmer for 15, serves one
;>)
Oilfieldguy @ 282
Wrong then, wrong now.
Monday morning looms, and I must sleep.
Pleasant dreams to those who deserve them.
Suzanne @ 279
We’re much closer to being stowed for winter than we were this morning. Is’s clear, and it will be a hard frost tonight. Even though it was sunny today, it only got into the mid-40s.
We had Wasabi Pea-crusted sockeye salmon, beet-carpaccio with mint vinaigrette and chevre, and a brown rice-peanut salad. Pedroncelli pinot.
burnspbesq @ 289
Sleep well, Burns!!!
punaise @ 278
Kind of tough to play pick up basketball because the shirts are skins.
-GSD
Ed*ard Teller @ 290
burnspbesq @ 288
***
CT & OG: I thought Krugman nailed it, too. Hope burnspbesq will tell us at some point what his disagreement is…
Ed*ard Teller @ 290
Wasabi, eh? Pepcid AC time…!!!
Oilfieldguy @ 282
Nice to see it all in one place. There’s a difference between movement conservatism and conservatism, but Bush is the natural heir of the movement conservatives. He is its ultimate expression.
TeddySanFran @ 295
I concur, but, Burns seemed to disagree…!!!
What is this Bean doing in my Rice?
-GSD
I’m going to get up there, et, just for some of your salmon.
GSD @ 292
Dong!
;>)
Suzanne @ 299
and to see the singing fish duo. you know: Salmon Dave
ET, will you come and cook salmon for me?
I’m off to bed. Night pups.
burnspbesq @ 288
Yeah, both of us, me an’ Paul that is.
Suzanne @ 299
Ms. ET did the salmon; I put the beet carpaccio together. She could have served that salmon at any 5-star restaurant anywhere. Can’t wait to wait on you, Suzanne. Sell, house, sell!!!
pain free sleep wishes, tex
CTuttle @ 297
Just my 2 cents, and I’m not standing in for burns here. But I have always, and will always contrast “conservative” from “movement conservative”, and I think that is at the heart of burns contention.
Suzanne @ 305
And a peaceful, restful night to you my friend.
TexBetsy @ 302
If you’ll make a fly vest cake as cool as the toolbelt cake you showed off earlier.
GSD @ 298
Hmmm… Maybe… Naw, I won’t go there, but, this might pose a problem in her desire to be Commish for the NFL…!!! ;-)
Gnight responsible folks, lol. I should be in bed too, but I’m enjoying myself way too much.
perhaps we need to do a horton hears a who group chant of sell house sell instead of the individual ones that have been going on for 8 months.
“City of Berkeley offices will be closed Monday, October 08, 2007 in observance of Indigenous People’s Day.”
ET, I have tons of fishing cakes. Will send you a link on FB. I’ll be on the lookout for fly vest.
Suzanne @ 311
did you have another looky-loo on Saturday?
CTuttle @ 309
All she will need is a wide stance and she’ll be a shoe(Ferragamo no doubt(-in.
-GSD
Nite, Tex!!!
here ya go
yeap, TWO lookie-loos yesterday, pun
New thread
CTuttle @ 133
DING!
Suzanne @ 318
bummer, that.
Mere plausibility is a remarkable standard for the “sole superpower” (f/k/a leader of the free world)
Raygun,Raygun, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush.
M’kay. Over a quarter of a century of Presidents are represented here and four surplus budgets.
Which one was not considered “conservative” and who had them surplus budgetses?
Can a definition change in a generation?
newtonusr @ 306
***
newtonusr: Ah…a valid point, methinks. As devil’s advocate, though, I wonder how much those distinctions matter to 99% of those who vote Republican nowadays?
CD @ 324
You could be completely right about the voters. No argument there. But when Krugman is so sloppy so as not to distinguish, I wonder what he’s doing, saying. I love the shrill one, btw.
newtonusr @ 306
I think that’s a bit like the claim that Communism was okay…it was just that it was never really applied correctly.
If every instance of a “philosophies” application in practice causes more grief and chaos – then the reality is that there is something deeply flawed in that philosophy. It lacks the “checks” necessary for its “proponents” to restrain themselves when they actually reach positions of power.
In addition words are how they are APPLIED. Modern conservatives have permanently and irreparably tainted the meaning of that term…whatever the original formulators of the concept dreamed it meant in the 18th century.
cinnamonape @ 326
If a definition of terms is the criteria or determining “conservative principles”, then I use these-
The conservative I have in mind thinks he should stay out of my bedroom, my church, and my wallet.
The “movement conservative” not only wants into my bedroom, but wants to officiate.
The “movement conservative” also wants me to worship and to do it his way, or be damned.
And the “movement conservative” wants all the money on the planet and is willing to kill the whole planet to get it.
Krugman’s examination goes back a whopping 30 years to find the genesis of modern conservatism, as if before that day, we were all happy liberals on the verge of a catastrophic intellectual split. This is a disservice to honest discourse and the sloppiness behind this premise is not Krugman at his best.
“I’m still a cog in the great machine,”
More like a burr in the ass of progress.
CTuttle @ 14
All those idiots required was ‘plausibility’.
If any of them had actually wondered if there was Truth to what they were doing, then maybe I’d have some sympathy for them.
Nightmares forever!
RonD @ 67
We work from basic desires and fears. Fascistic regimes like Bush & Co simply absolve their followers of any sense of responsibility by telling them they’re “right”, they’re “God’s chosen”, “the Liberals are evil” and the like. After that all they have to provide is ‘plausibility’ and the followers will do about anything.
What’s missing in the followers is their very own Values.
RonD @ 85
And, that damned “Liberal press gave him a pass.
If we had a People’s press the Truth might out a bit more often.
Thank God for the Internet. It gives a little room for discussion and revealing the Truth and acting on that.
TexBetsy @ 228
Did they survey the people killed by tasers?
CTuttle @ 285
…
Now, as they survey the wreckage of their cause, conservatives may ask themselves: “Well, how did we get here?” They may tell themselves: “This is not my beautiful Right.” They may ask themselves: “My God, what have we done?”
…
Is that from “Burning down the House”?