1) She’s bending over backward to say something nice about FOX to show she’s bipartisan and not like those radical Democrats who boycott FOX debates and FOX in general.

2) Pelosi is messing with their heads.

I wish it were 2, but I’m afraid 1 is far more likely. It’s a conditioned reflex by now.

Eureka Springs @ 65

So did I.. She made voting for Di Fi a little bit easier.

Pelosi made voting for DiFI easier?

You voted for DiFi?

I sure as hell hope it wasn’t because you thought that she’d help us get out of Iraq.
One thing living in San Francisco has taught me: Dianne is the quintissential “DINO.”

I don’t think you should be shocked about someone voting for someone you don’t approve of. What were the choices? Would you rather they had voted for a republican? Or possibly a third party candidate? I have no idea who was on the ballot, so I can make no judgement. Since I do not know who was on the ballot, I can see very little wrong with at least voting for the democrat.

Yah boo sux to Nancy and Foxaganda.

As for corporate and other policies, there are lots of them. Follow the money generally helps.

[snip]

Water. Air quality. Depleted uranium and other nuclear contaminations. Chemical dumping. Turning Brazil into one vast ethanol plantation by felling carbon sinks.

And as long as war and empire are the priority, it may all be moot anyway. If you as an individual live by spending more than you earn, sooner or later the music will stop. Same for an out of control government.

When the rest of the world gets tired of buying our debt, the chickens will come home to roost. And the environment then will shrink then to “where’s my next meal coming from?” Brother can you spare an Amero?

moose, I love your comment (well – most of it *g*) I’m a nerd, and I’ve been readig sci-fi and Asimov since the late 60’s….I still remember seeing the “Dangerous Visions” anthology for the first time (in the public library where I worked thoughout high school).

You raise many excellent and valid points:

lethal war and our lethal empire

about the inverse correlation between (apparent) affluence and teh capacity to make short-term choices which – while more “costly” in immediate terms, are far more thrifty for our children.

Love your summary of (non-climate) threats:

Water. Air quality. Depleted uranium and other nuclear contaminations. Chemical dumping. Turning Brazil into one vast ethanol plantation by felling carbon sinks.

I hope you’ll tell me what CFT’s are – and I agree with you on ethanol as a dead end – immediately for forests, organgs, bonobos and gorillas (our living relatives, save for a percent or so of DNA), and soon for us all.

Of course climate change exists; it’s a feature, not a bug. We may not have much effect on the outcome

Unless I’m not following, this observation seems to have lost the plot

regarding the data and widespread scientific consensus reflected in the IPCC.

Like this fellow:

More intense cyclones, rising sea levels and increased flooding will be the pattern for Australia’s coastal communities by 2050, according to one of Australia’s leading climate change experts, Professor Nick Harvey.

The University of Adelaide professor is one of five Australian lead authors on the Australia and New Zealand Chapter from the second Working Group of the IPCC, the global body assessing the scientific evidence for climate change.

IPCC (the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) released the group’s report, called Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability, in Brussels last month.

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Professor Harvey, from the University of Adelaide’s School of Social Sciences, has had a long involvement with scientific global change research.

He was Vice-Chair of the international peak body examining the effect of global change on the world’s coastlines, LOICZ (Land Ocean Interactions in the Coastal Zone) from 1997-2002. Professor Harvey is currently Chair of the international START-Oceania committee, based in Fiji, dealing with global change research and training. He has also authored more than 100 scientific papers and books.

He is also a member of the University of Adelaide’s Research Institute for Climate Change and Sustainability and the only IPCC lead author from South Australia.

On the issue of causes of climate change, Professor Harvey said: “Cycles of climate change are evident from the geological record, but human impact is now adding to the natural cycle. In fact a few years ago the prestigious scientific journal Nature published an article referring to a new geological era called the `Anthropocene’ reflecting the significance of human influence on global change.”

IPCC was established by two United Nations organisations – the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP).

The report, Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability, is the second volume of the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment on global warming involving 2500 of the world’s most respected scientists, including 25 from Australia.

Or this fellow, Crutzen:

He’s the joker who came up with that wacky term “the Anthropocene”.

Crutzen and his colleague even went so far as to assert:

To assign a more specific date to the onset of the ‘anthropocene” seems somewhat arbitrary, but we propose the latter part of the 18th century, although we are aware that alternative proposals can be made (some may even want to include the entire holocene). However, we choose this date because, during the past two centuries, the global effects of human activities have become clearly noticeable. This is the period when data retrieved from glacial ice cores show the beginning of a growth in the atmospheric concentrations of several ‘greenhouse gases”, in particular C02 and CH4 (7). Such a starting date also coincides with James Watt’s invention of the steam engine in 1784. About at that time, biotic assemblages in most lakes began to show large changes (11-13).

Without major catastrophes like an enormous volcanic eruption, an unexpected epidemic, a large-scale nuclear war, an asteroid impact, a new ice age, or continued plundering of Earth’s resources by partially still primitive technology (the last four dangers can, however, be prevented in a real functioning no6sphere) mankind will remain a major geological force for many millennia, maybe millions of years, to come. To develop a world-wide accepted strategy leading to sustainability of ecosystems against human induced stresses will be one of the great future tasks of mankind, requiring intensive research efforts and wise application of the knowledge thus acquired in the noösphere, better known as knowledge or information society. An exciting, but also difficult and daunting task lies ahead of the global research and engineering community to guide mankind towards global, sustainable, environmental management (15).

We thank the many colleagues, especially the members of the IGBP Scientific Committee, for encouraging correspondence and advice.

Paul J. Crutzen

Max-Planck-Institute for Chemistry

Eugene F. Stoermer

Center for Great Lakes and Aquatic

Sciences

University of Michigan

Uh – moose – whole lotta footnotes in the global consensus IPCC work.

And this crackpot Crutzen – the guy who coined the term Anthropocene?

He’s such an outlier – an atmospheric chemist, how’s that for airy-fairy? –

…..he’s such an outlier that he won the Nobel Prize.

Now moose, in the sciences we show our work.

I may have misunderstood – but if you are suggesting what the Nobel Laureate Crutzen describes as the Anthropocene is a normal climatic variant…

can you please show us your work?

The Lake, the IPCC, and a certain Nobel Laureate would be most edified by the results.

As would I.

Thanks in advance.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 62

As noted here before, I voted for the Speaker several times when I lived in Pelosi’s area in Cali. I truly hope you’re right.

So did I.. She made voting for Di Fi a little bit easier.

Pelosi made voting for DiFI easier?

You voted for DiFi?

I sure as hell hope it wasn’t because you thought that she’d help us get out of Iraq.
One thing living in San Francisco has taught me: Dianne is the quintissential “DINO.”

I don’t know. “So, look at that. Gee…FOX leading the way….” Sounds like there might be some drippy sarcasm hiding in there. Can you imagine the apoplexy caused in some of FOX viewers after that statement.

Having watched the clip of my Congresswoman, I’m going to say she’s setting FOX up. The next time one of their comedians rants about global warming being a hoax, if there’s a rational person present, he or she can quote the Speaker’s accolade to FOX News and say: if FOX thinks global warming is a fraud, why is your boss Rupert Murdoch taking NewsCorp to a carbon neutral stance?

Notice how Chris Wallace sez quickly — “Well, I had nothing to do with it.” Clearly the “news” folks have their response ready when presented with Murdoch’s initiative.

There’s a little too much cat/canary twinkle in her eye with Chris Wallace for me to believe otherwise.

ymmv.

I remember seeing the look in her eye as well, and being rather bewildered at her comment. Without understanding what it was, I decided it was a landmine. Thanks for shedding a little light on the text for me Teddy.

Pelosi hails from Bodymore Murderland and was raised doing constituency services at her fathers knee. I am very dissapointed at congress, but Pelosi has a lot of admiration from me. Getting the legislation passed that has made it into law with President* Bush in office is admirable, Iraq occupation notwithstanding.

TSF, saw your comments to Andrew Rice and his answers. Good on both of you. If we are serious about Global Warming, the chief political denier, Inhofe, needs to be living on Tulsa time.

I’ll say it now and loud, if Hillary is elected by Dems who don’t know about her, it won’t take long after she’s in office before they all start saying, “Hey, wait a minute. I didn’t vote for her to do *that*.”

If they don’t start paying attention now they’re going to be very disappointed later.

Remember, Bush II was hardly the same as Bush I, so why should Clinton II be anything like Clinton I.

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