View of posthumous pardon issued by Gerald Ford to Robert E. Lee
This week the American Constitution Society released an “issue brief” by former United States Pardon Attorney Margaret Colgate Love.
In it she details the history of presidential pardons from the Founding Fathers down to the infamous abuse of the Pardon Power in the case of I. Lewis Libby. Although clearly written for lawyers, it is very accessible to lay people and at only 19 pages, an easy read. (PDF warning for those of you with dial up.)
Right off the bat, she addresses the gut check the American people have with this abuse of the pardon power:
How is it tolerable, in a democracy, for the president to be able to reach into the machinery of criminal justice to pluck out one of his close associates, particularly if ordinary people have no hope of similar favor? The answer is, it isn’t. The president’s constitutional pardon power was never supposed to be used the way it was in the Libby case, and in our country’s history it rarely has been.
[emphasis mine]
Now, in the interests of full disclosure, I must tell you that I am a card carrying member of the ACS, though I do not know Ms. Love. The ACS is a non partisan 501(c)(3) non profit educational organization promoting the rule of law. It’s hardly surprising that you would find someone like me — who regularly pounds my shoe on the table demanding “rule of law” “rule of law” — would be among its members.
Some of the best nuggets in this brief are to be found in the footnotes, one of my favorites being footnote #3 wherein Ms. Love draws this completely accurate analogy:
The closest parallel to the Libby grant in recent history is President George H. W. Bush’s pardon of six government officials prosecuted in connection with the Iran-Contra investigation. There, the President was straightforward about his reasons for extending clemency, stating that all six were “patriots” with a “long and distinguished record of service to the country” who had been caught up in the criminalization of policy differences.” See: Proclamation 6518 (Dec. 24, 1991), available at jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardonsex5.htm President Reagan’s pardon of two FBI officials convicted of authorizing illegal “black bag jobs,” whose cases were still on appeal. President Reagan’s pardon for Mark W. Felt & Edward S. Miller (Apr. 15, 1981), reprinted in 17 Weekly Comp. Pres. Doc. 437 (generosity due “two men who acted on high principle to bring an end to terrorism that was threatening our nation”). [LHP notes--this excuse hails back to 1981!] This same sentiment appears to have been behind the Libby grant, as evidenced by the complete remission of Libby’s “excessive” prison sentence, rather than the more usual reduction of sentence accomplished by “commutation.” If Libby is given a full pardon at the conclusion of President Bush’s term as some predict, the remission of his prison sentence will likely be seen in retrospect as a temporary expedient to retain Libby’s Fifth Amendment protection against testifying about the circumstances of his offense.
Like we at the Lake didn’t know that already!
In 1898, President McKinley signed the first federal clemency rules directing that all applications for pardon or sentence commutation should be submitted to the Justice Department’s pardon attorney for review. Ms. Love also points out that it is only the really fishy, stinky, corrupt uses of the pardon power (including those at the very tail end of the Clinton Administration), like the Libby and Iran Contra pardons that bypassed the normal legal review process.
Between 1953 and 1999 , there were only three occasions on which the president did not follow the established Justice Department procedure for handling pardons, and all three were controversial: President Ford’s 1975 pardon of Richard Nixon, President Reagan’s pardon of two FBI agents who had authorized illegal surveillance of radicals, and President Bush’s 1992 pardon of six Iran-Contra defendants.
It’s pretty obvious why that is so. The abuses of the pardon power as described above have cost the Office of the President the confidence of the American people with respect to this sacred trust and “confirm[ed] the popular view of pardon as a personal prerogative of the president, a remnant of tribal kingship generally reserved for the well-heeled or the well connected.”
Using her historical approach, Ms. Love taught me a few things I did not know about criminal procedure law and the pardon power in past centuries. For example, prior to 1907 there was no right to appeal from a criminal conviction. And there was no federal parole review system until 1910. Consequently, the pardon power (which includes all the other forms of clemency such as sentence reduction and restoration of civil rights, like voting) once served as the ONLY means of individualizing sentences or altering sentencing to take into account changed circumstances, such as the prisoner’s age, health or changed family circumstances.
Further, in the “good old days” clemency was the only way to take into account defenses then not known in law, such as duress, incapacity and self defense. It was regularly used to help defuse and put down insurrections. For example, after the Civil War, how do you think all those Confederate soldiers were restored to their civil rights and once again allowed to vote? A recent example of this intended use of clemency were amnesties issued by Presidents Ford and Carter to draft dodgers and deserters from the Viet Nam war.
This is wonderfully informative piece, however I disagree with Ms. Love’s central argument. She argues for a return to the robust use of clemency with clearly articulated standards for its employment. I believe its use has been too discredited and its propensity for abuse too well proven. Its main rationales have been obviated by the development of a full appeals process and a federal parole system. For mass amnesties, there is always special legislation.
Related posts:
- The Bush Fairy Tale on the Libby Pardon
- It’s the 4th of July and Our Founders Are Weeping
- New White House Counsel Bob Bauer and Scooter Libby Justice
- Gingrich: Fraud and Abuse of Medicare–Intolerable; Fraud, Abuse in Military–Less Problematic
- The Taxpayers Paid Dick Cheney’s Personal Defense Attorney to Obstruct Any Inquiries Into His Crimes





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looseheadprop!
Hey loosehead!
She shoots, she scores!
LHP! Great post.
Fascinating aside: Reagan pardoned Mark Felt. AKA Deep Throat.
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Makes me wonder if the questionable pardon of Libby wouldn’t be another charge in an impeachment inquiry.
LHP! Thanks for a great review!
Bob in HI
Laura Doty @ 4
I know, the irony is delicious. Felt seems to have felt free [no pun intended] to dispense with the rule of law when ever it suited him. Remember, he didn’t expose the dirty tricks b/c he was offended by them, it was just part of a bureaucratic infight he was involved in. He didn’t do what he did out of noble reasons.
Fascinating stuff. Thanks for another outstanding post, LHP.
Do you have any thoughts on whether (and if so, how) the ACS can become an effective counterweight to the Federalist Society?
Bustednuckles @ 5
It might be used as evidence for an obstruction of justice charge. So, not the pardon itself being a charge, but misusung the pardon in such a way as to obstruct justice.
Talking is not a crime. Using talking to lie to an FBI agent or Grand Jury is a crime. It’s not the what, it’s the how
Ford’s pardon of Nixon is the point where it all went off the rails. By not letting the Trickster face the charges he was due, Ford created the mechanism for the enablers to claim there was nothing to H2Ogate and it was all politics.
No punishment led to Iran/Contra, led to Bush I’s pardons which got him off the hook as well.
No punishment led to the Clinton impeachment as a “payback” for Nixon.
No punishment led to the current set of crazies in charge, Little Boot and Darth Cheney both.
Gerald Ford should be roundly condemned for his facilitation of the criminals for HE is responsible for the mess at root.
burnspbesq @ 9
I don’t know if that is ACS’s purpose. But I really would like to see ACS do a better job of having its members get to know each other. I get very frustrated because There are very few events in NY and usually hear about them after the fact.
Compare that to the Federal Bar Council, where you see other members so often it’s almost like family. Even NYS Bar has a few can’t miss annual events and CityBar has an actual “clubhouse” (as does Nassau bar which clevely has a dining room that acts like a HS cafeteria for lawyers)–in this way members bump into each other all the time.
Then Synergy happens.
Hi Bob,
Long time no hang. howya been?
If I were a supporter of the two convicted border patrol agents, I’d been pretty annoyed.
And what about all the puffed talk from Dana Rorhbacher about impeaching Shrub if he acted for Libby and not the agents.
For me, the real Constitution killer were the Iran Contra pardons. When you are a prosecutor you don’t often talk politcs or even current events not related to sports) much around the office.
But the Iran Contra pardons…. I remember people actually crying in the office.
George H.W. Bush’s pardon of Caspar Weinberger in the Iran-Contra case was the model for George W. Bush’s commutation (not yet a pardon) of Libby’s sentence. To quote Lawrence Walsh, the prosecutor in the Iran-Contra case “the Iran-contra cover-up, which has continued for more than six years, has now been completed.” Like father, like son although “W” is better referred to as “dim son”.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 14
Kathrine on hypocrisy watch?
looseheadprop @ 15
The real kick in the face is that some of these same criminals are still involved in our current regime.
Thread Theorist @ 16
I agree completely. And Shrub’s commutation without full pardon aids the continuing obstruction of justice by allowing Libby to continue to assert the 5th Amendment. That’s REALLLLLy cheezes me off.
burnspbesq @ 9
The Federalist Society is the Bund.
It is an anti-American group and I agree that a counterweight is needed.
I have a policy difference with corporate America.
There only mission is to extract as much money as possible from the customer. If their product or service sucks, tough shit.
“Pardon” me if I sit on my wallet.
One of our own former Alabama Governors is in prison and the Federal DOJ has refused to turn over the documents from former Gov. Don E. Siegelman of Alabama to Congress, no national security reason, no Executive Privilege reason, no reason at all. There is now a republican (Dana Jill Simpson) who has given a deposition saying that the prosecution was funny.
Bustednuckles @ 18
Hey, if Scooter gets his full pardon at the end of Shrub’s term, he might be able to keep his law license AND would be eligible to get his security clearance back. He could come back in a future GOP Admin. How ’bout them apples?
katherine Graham Cracker @ 14
Katherine,
You must not be from OC.
Those of us who have extensive experience in decoding Surfin’ Dana know that nothing he ever says can or should be taken seriously. Remember, this is the same guy who married his chief of staff because he thought that would give him the benefits of the spousal communication privilege in a criminal investigation.
albert fall @ 20
Yeah, but I would not want to see some idiot Dem version of Monica Goodling looking at ACS membership as a hiring criteria at DOJ.
I want the real DOJ back. The one where you almost never knew anyone’s political affiliation. The one where all you cared about was bringing good cases so that people could have confidence in the rule of law. The one where when you went to your boss with a policy question, you got back “what does you gut tell you is the right thing to do?”
Do you know what a wonderful thing it is to get up for work each morning knowing that your only job is to go do “the right thing” as best you can? And that’s gone now, well, maybe there are still some pockets like NDIL
looseheadprop @ 23
Elliott Abrams is another stain, and there are more to come. I would not have thought it possible.
Seems like ChimpCo believes they can wash these people clean by simply proclaiming them worthy of service, and the historical record is made new. They have made it work for them.
Jeez! Thanks lhp!
newtonusr at 26
You make it sound like money laundering, only with people!
Laws are only meant to control the little people.
The rich and powerful usually get a better deal from the system. That’s a fact.
I don’t believe that there should be any pardons. At most a new trial can be ordered and see what the results are.
We are not meant to be a monarchy or a dictatorship where the big cheese does what they want.
There’s no place for pardons.
What is the case in favor of presidential pardons? Why was it ever even thought necessary? Seems like too much power for any one person to hold.
These ‘policy differences’ just keep getting more criminal every day.
Why, if only the United States would do away with all those silly, traitorous laws that make such perfectly natural behavior appear malfeasant to the untrained eye, the smarterest guys in the room could get on with their quiet game of ‘Loot The Republic’ without all this inconvenient public attention.
Come on, America…It’s patriotic to look the other way!
;>)
OMG, darkblack. When you think it can’t get any worse…
SanderO @ 28
I wish I could find the case – help looseheadprop – where a Supreme Court decision stated that, and I’m going from memory here, “Innocence is no bar to upholding a jury conviction”. With the Supremes allowing this type of crap, pardons are probably appropriate.
Loo Hoo. @ 29
If you read Ms. Love’s brief, the whole last section lays out a case for MORE pardons. For example in many states convicted felons cannot ever vote again absent a pardon. This creates a much bigger burden on the poor and people of color.
Also, because of the sentencing guidelines, judges have less discretion to fashion a sentence based upon the individual circumstances of a particular prisoner. Without pardons, the only entity who gets a vote on the whole “mercy” thing is—the prosecutor, whose “prosecutorial discretion” is almost as unreviewable as the president’s pardon power.
However, the president is more accountable to the people than is the appointed prosecutor.
In a world where pardon power is not abused, there are plenty of good reasons to have it. It was the betrayal of trust by Ford, Reagan, Bush the 1st, Clinton and Shrub that makes in an instrument that now does more harm than good.
darkblack @ 30
Darkblack was that a Clockwork Orange reference?
looseheadprop @ 15
lhp, You are quickly becoming the Aretha Franklin of Justice Gospel..) Bless your patriotic heart!
And lest we forget, the pardon powers are just as abusable at the state level as we know from current times.
The soon to be ex-governor of Kentucky and his administration were being investigated for criminal activity and abuse of the state Merit System (Kentucky version of civil service).
After about a half dozen members of his admin had been indicted, the soon-to-be-ex-governor issued a blanket pardon for everyone connected to the scandal except for himself.
And what was a major part of Soon-To-Be-Ex-Governor Fletcher’s campaign platform in 2003 that allowed him to be elected as the first Republican governor in the state in thirty-six years? Why to bring honesty and ethics to dealing in Frankfort so that the people of Kentucky could have a government they could be proud of once again.
newtonusr @ 32
Herrera v. Texas You will also find mention of it in
this article from The Nation
looseheadprop @ 13
Cool. Hangin’ in there. Good to see you post again!
Hey, I just found out last night that half a dozen of the Congressional Reps who are co-sponsors of the Kucinich Resolution to impeach Cheney (H.Res.333) have set up a “group” on Facebook called “Sign up to make Bush-Cheney legally accountable!” They have added *eight* articles to Kucinich’s three!
Bob in HI
looseheadprop @ 34
Which reference, LHP?
LHP – someone mentioned here a while back that Bush could simply pardon himself just as he was leaving office, thus escaping any possibility of accountability. Could he do so?
Eureka, can I put that on my resume? *g*
Really, you are WAAAAy too kind
One of the true ironies,when delving into this pardon subject, is the case of Elliot Abrams. His first political job was working on Henry Jackson’s 1976 presidential campaign. At that time, Jackson was busy pushing through the implementation of Helsinki Watch, created in 1978. I wonder if Abrams helped on that, as Jackson’s involvement in the Jackson-Vanik Amendment earlier in the 1970s was one of the reasons Abrams was attracted to Jackson’s platform.
The Helsinki Watch human rights agenda of 1978 morphed into Human Rights Watch during the early 1980s, and the ideals of both NGOs were radically challenged by the implementation by Abrams and his Reagan administration colleagues during that time, of their backing of fascist anti-human rights political structures in Latin America. Abrams’ illegal acts in implementation of these anti-human rights policies and actions led, in large part, to his conviction in the Iran-Contra affair.
His entire government service career (I use that term with trepidation) has been devoted to undermining the agendas of Helksinki Watch/Human Rights Watch, right up to this very fucking minute.
I’m not holding my breath waiting for Abrams to utter “Pardon my abuse…”
bobschacht @ 38
Cool, I am still trying to learn how to do Facebook. I am so tachtarded
looseheadprop @ 37
I hoped I had dreamed or imagined it. Thank you again.
Speechless.
LHP, fwiw, if there ever is another Constitutional Convention or Contitutional Amendment, I would keenly like to see an amendment that would:
“Prohibit all usage of Presidential Pardon/Clemency power for any member of the Federal Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches unless it was approved by 2/3 of the members of both branches of Congress.”
Seems to me that we could thereby remove this dastardly Repug habit of committing crimes with the foreknowledge that their criminal behavior would always be “pardoned” or “commuted” by a similarly criminally-inclined Repug President.
darkblack @ 39
In the movie A Clockwork Orange A sociopathic criminal is “rehabilitated” by having his eyes held open and his head clamped in position so he cannot look away as he is bombarded with images of pain and suffering while being simultaneously (I think it was jolted with electricity)
In the movie this (unbelievably) induced a pavlovian response that made him incapable of violence no matter how provoked. He could not even engage in self defense. This was a big problem for him when he was released back into his old neighborhood where he had once been the leader of a sadistic street gang.
The scene of his “treatmetn” looed just like that image
dakine said:
And what was a major part of Soon-To-Be-Ex-Governor Fletcher’s campaign platform in 2003 that allowed him to be elected as the first Republican governor in thirty-six years? Why to bring honesty and ethics to dealing in Frankfort so that the people of Kentucky could have a government they could be proud of once again.
That’s what all Republicans/Conservatives use copiously in their campaigns. In addition to tough on crime – always a right wing and fascist staple, they always talk about restoring values, integrity, honesty, accountablity, dignity and other vague notions – platitudes that are impossible to accurately define.
Dubya did it. Reagan did it. Stephen Harper did it in Canada. They cannot talk about substantive issues – to reveal their actual plans would be political suicide.
Few voters want corporations and the war machine to have carte blanche over the public and the environment. That’s the real Conservative agenda. They endeavor to keep hidden its hideous face.
MayDaze @ 40
I don’t see how, but then again, anything he does that no one undoes, become precedent.
There is no precedent of that currently in existence to my knowledge.
looseheadprop @ 48
Thanks for the response. It seems really wrong that he could pardon himself, but I couldn’t find anything that actually forbade it – except maybe common decency and a sense of fair play, which is, of course, no restriction at all for the Deciderer.
Mad Dogs @ 45
According to Ms. Love thousands of people have been pardoned by each president until we get to Shrub who has been incredibly stingy with them–which makes the Libby thing really stick out like a sore thumb.
President Franklin Roosevelt issued 3,018 pardons, 557 commutations and rejected only 1, 574 petitions for clemency. Up until President Eisenhower created something called the “Master Warrant” pardon which involved a big clearing off of the desk on a quarterly basis, presidents routinely issued monthly from all of the preceding presidents. It was considered part of the housekeeping work of being president.
It’s only in the last few Presidents that the pardon power has been both allowed to atrophy and been abused.
Oh, BTW if you click on the image of the pardon for Robert E Lee, you will see that it is also the result of a joint resolution of both Houses of Congress.
I do think for the kinds of pardons, like the Viet Nam draft dodger amnesties, maybe it is time that this power be vested in Congress?
looseheadprop @ 43
Just click on the link. Meanwhile, here are their articles:
hackworth @ 47
Have to call you on one aspect of what you’ve said.
What you’ve described is not Conservative. Any true conservative is appalled by what has been done by the current Administration.
Please, call it by its true name. Radical Right, statist, theocratic, crony capitalist, any of those would be fine. The abuse of the term “conservative” has to be called every time it happens, to the same extent as all of the other abuses of the Radical Right. They’ve given an honorable philosophy of government a really bad name, that it absolutely does not deserve.
End of rant.
Yours truly,
a Goldwater Democrat
looseheadprop @ 46
Ah, the picture. Yes, that is an overlay of the ‘Ludovico technique for behavioral aversion’.
I imagine a substitution of imagery for the subject in question would be in order…Perhaps the Parallax corporation’s training tape, updated for the current reality model.
burnspbesq @ 53
Gotta agree with you. Ron Paul is a conservative. The rest of them are hypocritical Kleptocrats
looseheadprop @ 51
I dunno. Might be too easy for pardons to be sold. Heh like they aren’t now. Never mind.
looseheadprop @ 55
Actually, isn’t Ron Paul a Libertarian?
Bob in HI
Great post and thread LHP
He certainly is, But IIRC there was one debate where he either described himself, or maybe he was just describing a what a conservative ought to be….?
I recall him saying something about “a true conservative” wouldn’t be running up a huge national debt, wouldn’t be expanding the role of governemnt into our bedrooms and healthcare, stuff like that
I remember him using the phrase “a true conservative”–so maybe that’s why I think he self identifies as one.
55
looseheadprop
Gotta agree with you. Ron Paul is a conservative. The rest of them are hypocritical Kleptocrats.
This is true, however, they can’t run on a Hypocritical Kleptocrat platform. Instead they use the Republican Party as their facilitator.
As a defense has been presented for Conservatism, I ask which modern Conservative American President was any good for the public good? Any takers?
MayDaze @ 40
Except for impeachment, the Constitution places no restrictions whatsoever on the President in granting pardons. He could pardon himself unless he is impeached and convicted.
Badwater @ 61
All the more reason to impeach. Even if it happens after he leaves office. I don’t think pardon would affect impeachabilty
Badwater @ 61
Appears there is agreement on this. Sad state of affairs, but I guess the Founders figured anyone this bad would be impeached.
MayDaze @ 63
Perhaps the Founders failed to anticipate the current Democratic leadership, given that the only remedy is impeachment.
MayDaze @ 63
Naomi Wolfe said that it is the right of the people to impeach the President. Nancy Pelosi has no right to take impeachment off the table. Put it back on the table, Nancy. The people clamor for it because it is the remedy warranted in the Constitution for a lawless President.
hackworth @ 60
I can offer but one candidate from the last four decades…and only because his malfeasant ways led to a greater public awareness of process and method…Knowledge which the current administration would like to erase as they pen their vengeful hagiography.
Badwater @ 64
IIRC, many of the Founders didn’t think much of any political parties, and hoped to avoid the rise of parties.
hackworth @ 60
There is an implicit assumption in your question that I don’t buy. I don’t think there has been a truly Conservative president during my lifetime. And I was born during Eisenhower’s first term. Ike probably come closest.
hackworth @ 65
And Bush might pardon himself from the table!!!111
Mad Dogs @ 45
amen
Badwater @ 61
While the Constitution may not have such restrictions, another force in play is the Supreme Court.
SCOTUS has interpeted the Pardon power in the Constitution in a number of cases.
Depending on the composition of SCOTUS, I would be hesitant to say that they would ever approve of a President pardoning himself.
A Repug such as Junya probably wouldn’t get a pass even from a fully-loaded Repug SCOTUS.
The idea that a President could commit criminal Federal offenses and pardon himself is anathema to the very concept of jurisprudence that even the most conservative of SCOTUS justices would likely find it abhorent and unconstitutional.
IMHO *g*
1,619 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Looseheadprop and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
This is a great post and one that at least adds to an understanding and keeps the IDEA of ‘rule of law” alive in our imaginations, because, of course, we have NEVER achieved a “rule of law” as envisioned by the founders. In fact,I’m not certain that, in the minds of those Enlightenment geniuses, the “rule of law” is not like “democracy” itself, IDEAS both which were to be reasoned, debated and struggled toward and used to circumscribe our behavior and give meaning to our political actions, approachable as IDEAS but not reachable in the limited constructs of humankind.
That’s why I think it’s important to recognize that this is in fact the weakness and the strength of our constitutional system as long as it’s not fossilized within a system of justice designed to enrich and secure the position of power of a few at the expense of the many. That both the “rule of law” and “democracy” itself are IDEAS to be pursued and to inform our political actions admits that neither are yet achieved. This understanding serves as warning that the product of the great Constitutional Convention is incomplete but encourages us that our on-going struggle to achieve the ideal is not limited, that all ideas must be entertained and advanced in pursuit of the betterment of the common good for which the ideas of democracy and rule of law exist.
So let’s read M. C. Love’s article and use it to inform our actions and to direct our politics in the process of tryin’ ta put life back into our system of constitutional governance but let’s remember that, right now, the system of justice that has been shaped and developed for us over the last 200 years includes the “rule of law” only as an ideological rationalization not a fundamental premise.
I guess what I want to say is that the IDEA of the rule of law as a living concept is threatened today. The levers of power in our justice system and the ideas like “strict constructionism”, “original intent” and “natural law” are the nails that men like Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Alito are ready to pound into the coffin of “rule of law”. And it is only POLITICS and political ACTION that can save the whole idea of the rule of law…I ain’t optimistic.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEBER THAT THE ONLY THING THAT CAN CURE WHAT AILS OUR DEMOCRACY IS MORE DEMOCRACY!!
MayDaze @ 67
And I think the Founders would have been much more disappointed in the Republican party than the Dems. They thought government officials should stand with their institutions (e.g., Congress) rather than with their party.
New Jane!
dakine01 @ 11
dont forget that Gerald Ford was an illustrious member of the infamous warren (de)commission – so this guy is/was up to his neck in all sorts of nefarious nonsense-
with an eagle eye towards redirecting guilt/blame, an ‘expertise’ one might say-
darkblack @ 66
Ewwww
Booyah!
There is an implicit assumption in your question that I don’t buy. I don’t think there has been a truly Conservative president during my lifetime. And I was born during Eisenhower’s first term. Ike probably come closest.
I thought you might recommend Ike. Now while Ike warned us about the coming sh*tstorm (in his famous Military Industrial Complex speech), he did nothing to stop it when he had the opportunity.
I think that the best Conservative President was Bill Clinton. Clinton was pretty conservative, but generally good for most of us.
Conservatism presents a good hiding place for mean people. The right wing, the military, the police, the pious, censors, fascists, corporations, and religion all find a comfortable home in Conservatism.
Conservativism gives them a good excuse for them to do bad things to the people.
looseheadprop @ 76
What? He’s fresh-frozen goodness!
;>)
1,619 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Mabel’s Wig Shake and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“don’t forget that Gerald Ford was an illustrious member of the infamous Warren (de) commission – so this guy is/was up to his neck in all sorts a nefarious nonsense-”
Right on!! Isn’t it amazin’ that all the nightmares in our politics over the last 43 years includin’ wars and impeachments and outright theft from the federal treasury go back to that moment in Dallas when a southerner from the oil patch became president in the only way a southerner could since 1860? Look at all the political gobblins and creatures of the night that keep popin up since that terrible time in 1963-64 when the oligarchy made it’s move and changed all our lives forever.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER THAT FASCISM IS LIFE THREATENING!!
I’m still wondering if old Commander Cod Piece is thinking about pardoning or commuting Marion Jones. From what I understand she’s looking at six months for “lying to Feds.” Six months, is this even a felony?
Did you that even this SOB got a pardon. Says a lot don’t it?
Mad Dogs @ 71
I would like to think that is true. I really would. But I would not put anything past these “conservative” justices. It would not surprise me if W did pardon himself and it would not surprise me if the supremes sat back and did nothing to stop it.
All of our elected officials and our appointed officials are acting like children on the playground. There are no adults. When will the adults be in charge again?
It would go along way to simply require any pardons of presidential appointees for acts committed in government service to be approved by the senate. Of course that leaves a few smelly ones possible but it gets rid of the Iran/Contra pardons and the Libby pardon.
Deep, deep into EPU land, but I wish to stand this concept on its head and propose a question directed at our Democratic Presidential wannabe’s.
“If you are elected President and after taking office you find undisputable evidence of criminal activity by the previous administration, would you feel prosecutions would harm our democracy or be our finest hour?”
Just for shits and giggles.
LHP, your piece reminded me of Goldsmith’s recent testimony to SJC, in which he spoke about this administration going right up to the legal line on all sorts of things, due to the intense pressure of National Security, and the need to Keep the People Safe. Lots of talk of white chalk in the cleets, and such. Our public servants at NSA, CIA, DOJ, wanting to do the right thing, but so worried about our safety.
But here’s yet another example of the administration blowing past the line, and it has nothing to do with National Security at all. Unless saving Libby’s family-life is a matter of National Security.
Oilfieldguy @ 85
I had been thinking along similar lines:
“As a candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination, do you promise to investigate and prosecute all criminal activities that have performed by members of the current Administration?
The answer must be either “Yes” or “No”. If any other answer is provided, it will be taken as a “No”.
Candidates who do not answer “Yes” will never get my vote!”
No mention of the numerous criminals that Bill and Hillary pardoned before he was out of office?
zippy @ 88
This part sure seemed pretty clear to me:
“Ms. Love also points out that it is only the really fishy, stinky, corrupt uses of the pardon power (including those at the very tail end of the Clinton Administration), like the Libby and Iran Contra pardons that bypassed the normal legal review process.”
[emphasis mine]