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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1021453</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020556&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Things Come Undone @ 184&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
The Army is giving more money to Democrats because they want the war to end.&lt;br /&gt;
        We Lefties who the DLC and Karl Rove’s concern trolls accuse of trying to pull the Democrats to far to the left to win the presidential election have succeded beyound our wildest dreams!&lt;br /&gt;
       For now we have not only pulled 70% of Americans against the War the Armed Forces are joining our postion!&lt;br /&gt;
    Now if we could only get the three leading Democratic Party Presidential contenders to sign on to ending the war.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, but Big Money must have someone who will promise them “their” tax cuts, so it really doesn’t matter what happens in Iraq or how many Americans want us out of Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If they want ALL the money, then by God they will have it all. Let ‘em choke on it. The economy certainly won’t run with all of it in their hands.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’ll have a Repug president whatever it costs Big Money, even if it’s a billion dollars.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m thinking it is completely irrelevant to ever think of presidential politics in terms of traditional party symbols. The thing that matters is which candidate is willing to ‘play ball’ with Big Money. And, seen in that light, Hillary is to the right of Ron Paul.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s Big Money versus Americans.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1020556"><em>Things Come Undone @ 184</em></a></p>
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The Army is giving more money to Democrats because they want the war to end.<br />
        We Lefties who the DLC and Karl Rove’s concern trolls accuse of trying to pull the Democrats to far to the left to win the presidential election have succeded beyound our wildest dreams!<br />
       For now we have not only pulled 70% of Americans against the War the Armed Forces are joining our postion!<br />
    Now if we could only get the three leading Democratic Party Presidential contenders to sign on to ending the war.<br />
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<p>Yes, but Big Money must have someone who will promise them “their” tax cuts, so it really doesn’t matter what happens in Iraq or how many Americans want us out of Iraq.</p>
<p>If they want ALL the money, then by God they will have it all. Let ‘em choke on it. The economy certainly won’t run with all of it in their hands.</p>
<p>We’ll have a Repug president whatever it costs Big Money, even if it’s a billion dollars.</p>
<p>I’m thinking it is completely irrelevant to ever think of presidential politics in terms of traditional party symbols. The thing that matters is which candidate is willing to ‘play ball’ with Big Money. And, seen in that light, Hillary is to the right of Ron Paul.</p>
<p>It’s Big Money versus Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1021445</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020458&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 148&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nuclear power plant construction must creat billions for the contractors and suppliers.. Who are they ? General Electric.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Liberal” media making billions $$$ from Conservative Bush Republican largesse!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s Modern American Democracy? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A CEO and a Repug stealing from the common man and then telling him ‘The common man likes it’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who wants to bet right now, if Hillary is elected she’ll govern exactly like the more ‘moderate’ Republicans would?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Except for the ‘Democratic’ label there’s nothing Democratic about her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1020458"><em>rwcole @ 148</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Nuclear power plant construction must creat billions for the contractors and suppliers.. Who are they ? General Electric.</p>
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<p>“Liberal” media making billions $$$ from Conservative Bush Republican largesse!</p>
<p>What’s Modern American Democracy? </p>
<p>A CEO and a Repug stealing from the common man and then telling him ‘The common man likes it’.</p>
<p>Who wants to bet right now, if Hillary is elected she’ll govern exactly like the more ‘moderate’ Republicans would?</p>
<p>Except for the ‘Democratic’ label there’s nothing Democratic about her.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1021442</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020402&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;peterboy @ 96&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bush destroyed the GOOPER brand and teh goopers in Congress went right along.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All I can imagine is they think there’s a big payoff sometime in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Bush is just gonna abandon them (the typical knife in the back), then they’ll just lose. But, if there is meant to be a bigger payoff down the road, then it means we’re gonna have to fight some other Crazies again — and there’s no way of knowing what kind of bizarro plan they have in mind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1020402"><em>peterboy @ 96</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Bush destroyed the GOOPER brand and teh goopers in Congress went right along.</p>
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<p>All I can imagine is they think there’s a big payoff sometime in the future.</p>
<p>If Bush is just gonna abandon them (the typical knife in the back), then they’ll just lose. But, if there is meant to be a bigger payoff down the road, then it means we’re gonna have to fight some other Crazies again — and there’s no way of knowing what kind of bizarro plan they have in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1020937</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020427&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;moose @ 118&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Military contributions for Q2&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ron Paul 26.23%&lt;br /&gt;
Barack Obama 24.02%&lt;br /&gt;
John McCain 18.31%&lt;br /&gt;
Hillary Clinton 11.08%&lt;br /&gt;
Bill Richardson 5.59%&lt;br /&gt;
Mitt Romney 4.05%&lt;br /&gt;
John Edwards 2.63%&lt;br /&gt;
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%&lt;br /&gt;
Mike Huckabee 1.84%&lt;br /&gt;
Tom Tancredo 1.63%&lt;br /&gt;
Duncan Hunter 1.05%&lt;br /&gt;
Joe Biden 0.84%&lt;br /&gt;
Mike Gravel 0.16%&lt;br /&gt;
Sam Brownback 0.07%&lt;br /&gt;
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%&lt;br /&gt;
Tommy Thompson 0%&lt;br /&gt;
Chris Dodd 0%&lt;br /&gt;
Jim Gilmore 0%&lt;br /&gt;
John Cox 0%&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My bad, can’t find the link after I copied the list a while back. Oh well. Gotta go buy dawg food.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe this one?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2007/07/ron-paul-is-most-financially-military.html&quot;&gt;http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2.....itary.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Though I don’t know how the reports would have gotten information on “Veterans” since one need not report ones former employers on campaign contributions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1020427"><em>moose @ 118</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Military contributions for Q2</p>
<p>Ron Paul 26.23%<br />
Barack Obama 24.02%<br />
John McCain 18.31%<br />
Hillary Clinton 11.08%<br />
Bill Richardson 5.59%<br />
Mitt Romney 4.05%<br />
John Edwards 2.63%<br />
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%<br />
Mike Huckabee 1.84%<br />
Tom Tancredo 1.63%<br />
Duncan Hunter 1.05%<br />
Joe Biden 0.84%<br />
Mike Gravel 0.16%<br />
Sam Brownback 0.07%<br />
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%<br />
Tommy Thompson 0%<br />
Chris Dodd 0%<br />
Jim Gilmore 0%<br />
John Cox 0%</p>
<p>My bad, can’t find the link after I copied the list a while back. Oh well. Gotta go buy dawg food.</p>
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<p>Maybe this one?</p>
<p><a href="http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2007/07/ron-paul-is-most-financially-military.html">http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2&#8230;..itary.html</a></p>
<p>Though I don’t know how the reports would have gotten information on “Veterans” since one need not report ones former employers on campaign contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1020936</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020424&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;albert fall @ 115&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020390&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twȝk @ 85&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;707! They’re running the that committee like they’re running the country!!!111&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope they file Chapter 11.  Then the Dems can buy the brand name and charge them to use it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And make them all take those mandatory Responsible Finance Classes and make them live “within their means”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW…do creditors (Mediacorp, etc.) get a piece of the Party ASSE&lt;strike&gt;T&lt;/strike&gt;S…would those be the votes of the of their elected Republicans? Same as it ever was…same as it ever was…same as it ever was.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1020424"><em>albert fall @ 115</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1020390"><em>twȝk @ 85</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>707! They’re running the that committee like they’re running the country!!!111</p>
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<p>I hope they file Chapter 11.  Then the Dems can buy the brand name and charge them to use it.</p>
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<p>And make them all take those mandatory Responsible Finance Classes and make them live “within their means”.</p>
<p>BTW…do creditors (Mediacorp, etc.) get a piece of the Party ASSE<strike>T</strike>S…would those be the votes of the of their elected Republicans? Same as it ever was…same as it ever was…same as it ever was.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1020933</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020404&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Blub @ 98&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On the subject of war Bullshit:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Betrayus: “The [Iranian] ambassador [to Iraq] is a Qods force member.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Um. Yeah… so what shrubco’s sayin’ is, Iran’s so evil that even their diplomats are actually elite, frontline tehruhrist commandos bent on 9/11ing us to death.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suppose that the next thing the rethugs will be saying is that Iran-shrub personally walks around with a mini-nuke strapped around his chest just waitin’ for the chance to blow us up&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I seem to recall that the prior State Department Secretary (General Colin Powell) was once the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. A former Iranian General serving as an Ambassador? I’m shocked!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW I worder if this means that the US government will refuse the credentials of ANY diplomats formerly affiliated with the military of other nations…oh wait, Betrayus is even suggesting that Iraq expel him. So much for treating Iraq as a sovereign nation!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1020404"><em>Blub @ 98</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>On the subject of war Bullshit:</p>
<p>Betrayus: “The [Iranian] ambassador [to Iraq] is a Qods force member.”</p>
<p>Um. Yeah… so what shrubco’s sayin’ is, Iran’s so evil that even their diplomats are actually elite, frontline tehruhrist commandos bent on 9/11ing us to death.  </p>
<p>I suppose that the next thing the rethugs will be saying is that Iran-shrub personally walks around with a mini-nuke strapped around his chest just waitin’ for the chance to blow us up</p>
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<p>I seem to recall that the prior State Department Secretary (General Colin Powell) was once the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. A former Iranian General serving as an Ambassador? I’m shocked!</p>
<p>BTW I worder if this means that the US government will refuse the credentials of ANY diplomats formerly affiliated with the military of other nations…oh wait, Betrayus is even suggesting that Iraq expel him. So much for treating Iraq as a sovereign nation!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1020929</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020389&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 84&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020365&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 60&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Want to support the troops? Bring them home. This is not a difficult concept. We did it in ‘Nam.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What OK said!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s actually quite simple. We stop sending replacement forces into Iraq and reduce tour lengths to those before the “surge” increased them to 20-months.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1020389"><em>looseheadprop @ 84</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1020365"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 60</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Want to support the troops? Bring them home. This is not a difficult concept. We did it in ‘Nam.</p>
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<p>What OK said!</p>
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<p>It’s actually quite simple. We stop sending replacement forces into Iraq and reduce tour lengths to those before the “surge” increased them to 20-months.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1020925</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020372&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Veritas78 @ 67&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This 729-day thing is the purest example of Republican Evil yet. They DESPISE the troops, who they see as money-grubbing peons.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sure that they said “Hey, when they realise they need that one extra day…they’ll sign up for another 20 month tour. This is GREAT for recruitment!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1020372"><em>Veritas78 @ 67</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>This 729-day thing is the purest example of Republican Evil yet. They DESPISE the troops, who they see as money-grubbing peons.</p>
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<p>I’m sure that they said “Hey, when they realise they need that one extra day…they’ll sign up for another 20 month tour. This is GREAT for recruitment!”</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1020918</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1020304&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Loo Hoo. @ 6&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Does this mean the end of Darrell Issa?  Really, though, I always wonder when people vote against their own self-interest.  Looks like the military people are not going to do so this time around.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Issa’s main support base are the employees of all the Military Manufacturers and Contractors in his district. Most of the military bases are further South. However, it will be interesting to see if those incumbent repugs in those districts dominated by military bases begin to swing around.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1020304"><em>Loo Hoo. @ 6</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Does this mean the end of Darrell Issa?  Really, though, I always wonder when people vote against their own self-interest.  Looks like the military people are not going to do so this time around.</p>
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<p>I think Issa’s main support base are the employees of all the Military Manufacturers and Contractors in his district. Most of the military bases are further South. However, it will be interesting to see if those incumbent repugs in those districts dominated by military bases begin to swing around.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/07/money-talks-bullshit-walks/#comment-1020859</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LHP–&lt;br /&gt;
Are you still around? You’ve got mail! I was busy writing it and missed most of the comments here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LHP–<br />
Are you still around? You’ve got mail! I was busy writing it and missed most of the comments here.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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