Late Late Nite: Because Scarce Says SoBy: Jane Hamsher Friday October 5, 2007 10:00 pm |
Scarce, a veteran of the Lamont race who helps us out with our videos, is a big fan of the band…Scarce. So Scarce is really excited that Scarce is reuniting for their first show in 11 years tomorrow night in Cambridge, and made a special request to see them appear on Late Late Night.
So to say thanks to Scarce for all he does for us, we bring you…Scarce.
And no, I don’t know who’s on first. But I think Joba Chamberlain hates me.
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Sneaking In!
Why would Joba hate you? Did you send the Gnat Army to Cleveland?
2?
TJ, are you letting downstairs know?
Already did.
Sorry, Jim. No two for you.
If the premiere is indicative of what season 2 of Friday Night Lights is going to be like, I wouldn’t bet very much on there being a season 3.
Who’s got a quarter for the jukebox?
burnspbesq @ 6
burns: You probably don’t even remember, but a few threads back about Tweety you asked me to provide proof of something. I gave it a go a few hours later if you’re interested…
I must be getting old, I’m having trouble getting into it.
Good evening dear friends. Hi Jane.
Wow, a new thread just when I was about to make myself …um Scarce…for the night.
Over the past week or so I’ve logged some serious Gizmo time. I even got to play it with my better 2/3s for the first time.
After just a few minutes, a tangible electrical field enveloped us that lasted for quite a while and was quite profound.
Trying to gather my thoughts on it, so that I can give a full report in my Sunday blog.
For now, all I can say is wow.
burnspbesq @ 6
i’m slipping.
heh.
bonkers @ 9
Of course I’m interested — and I’m insulted that you would think I don’t remember.
Where?
(((((((((( JANE! ))))))))))
Astral Technician @ 12
Should I ask what Gizmo?
I forking h*te housework – this cr*pola of trying to keep the house white glove clean while living in a friggin forest is total forkin b*llsh*t (spitting)
i’m going to allow the soothing waters of the lake wash over me – been a while since i’ve dipped in while not wearing my nomex/kelvar mod outfit.
this brief dip in the lake is my reward for the cleaning of the entire kitchen, including the oven but not including floors.
TexBetsy @ 11
Howdy, Ma’am! Did ya see that the Progressive Dems halted FISA!!!
Suzanne @ 17
You were maid to do it.
burnspbesq @ 8
Played this the other night but it’s so damn appropriate for society today.
The great Glasgow band Del Amitri, “Nothing Ever Happens”
They do the pop thing at times, but really a subversively political band…
CTuttle @ 18
excellent news!
Suzanne @ 17
I fully empathize, I just went through a HUD white glove inspection…!!! *g*
Suzanne @ 17
I sense that someone may be in need of a hug. Yes?
thanks, Ms. H., the guitar guy has a little something Christopher Walken about him. definitely better than your average band ……
Quarter for the jukebox (courtesy of John Prine)
burnspbesq @ 14
Here, toward the end.
*waving to Jane* nice to see ya on late late nite again
newspaperbrat @ 15
Yeah!! Jane makes an appearance on the night shift. What a beautiful thing.
Excellent timing Suzanne. How’s my favorite mod doing (other than the cleaning thing)?
Just hang this welcome sign, and they’re sure to buy the house.
newspaperbrat @ 15
hey.
yeah.
Jane at Late, Late Night!
Wooo Hooo!!
Or perhaps a little Dwight will serve to improve Suzanne’s mood?
Hi Suz,
Believe me, I know what you are going through. I have bags of stuff that have gotten stashed from hiding them.
Hi, folks!
One recurrent theme here at the Lake has been how terrible the mainstream media are at reporting(!) the News(!). I heard a great piece on this on NPR this afternoon– I think it was this one by Ari Shapiro, NPR’s best reporter this year, with segments by Don Gonyea and Scott Shane. They led with the Shane report on the NYT breakthrough article, followed by Gonyea’s report on WH response. One of the great parts of the follow-up segment was a brief review of MSM news coverage of the day following the devastating NYT report on White House secret memos authorizing torture: Who covered it, who didn’t. Special scorn was reserved for Katie Couric, who passed by the big news for a breathless on the spot report by a reporter(?) at the airport talking about early holiday traffic or something equally banal. It was like Jane was writing their script! But I can’t find that part on the NPR website.
Bob in HI
Hi TexBetsy. How was your holiday?
TexBetsy @ 29
that’s a great cake, tex.
i’m not modding – i feel, so, so, nekkid without my nomex and kelvar lined mod suit on.
burns, dwight and his tight pants always lifts my spirits. thanks
it ha been a month since i’ve had a showing and now i have two of em in the morning.
This is my contribution to the Tin-foil enthusiasts that reside here at the Lake…!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXv5UsSLIiA
Suzanne @ 36
Ooh, two! That sounds good, Ma Cheri!!!
Let’s all donate money to the Giuliani campaign.
KO reports that Dobson says he will support a third party candidate if Giuliani is nominated. (I deduce from the teaser on TIVO.)
BigMitch @ 34
Wonderful! I danced (with the canes) and my body cooperated and I was with family and friends. Had a great time.
How was your holiday Mitch?
Suzanne @ 25
excellent. John Prine is the voice of America, a real cultural treasure.
TexBetsy @ 40
Your friend hasn’t been to Chabad Anchorage for years. I knew her mother.
BigMitch @ 43
My friend would be 65 now.
TexBetsy @ 41
God punished me for watching baseball on the holiday. Exodus 8:12-15 all over again, in Cleveland. GRRRRRR.
bonkers @ 26
If it weren’t so late, I’d write you about 3,000 words on the differences between radio and television, the differences in investment horizons for public and family-owned businesses, cross-subsidies, and the fact that Rupert Murdoch is just bat-guano crazy. Short version: unlike governments, private businesses can’t lose money indefinitely, and eventually that imperative overrides everything else.
You can continue to believe what you believe, but you haven’t convinced me. We may just have to agree to disagree, but that’s OK — I’m getting used to that around here.
fahrender @ 42
Suzanne @ 36
Zero to a bidding war in 6.7 seconds.
crap, crap and double crap – the friggin buzzer has gone off – time to tackle spiderwebs and the plantation shutters and wash windows.
BigMitch @ 45
That’s putting it mildly, Mitch… What’s come over ya…?!!! *g*
Correction Exodus 8:16:
And the LORD said unto Moses: ‘Say unto Aaron: Stretch out thy rod, and smite the dust of the earth, that it may become gnats throughout all the land of [Jacobs Field].’
CTuttle @ 50
I almost NEVER drink. Last night I had more than I am used to. Actually, I had more fun than I am used to also.
burnspbesq @ 31
I actually found myself wishing those pants left a little more to the imagination.
BigMitch @ 51
Those gnats certainly were pesky…
CTuttle @ 54
I don’t believe you were crying about it, were you?
BigMitch @ 55
Not a bit…!!! *g*
I am watching a TIVOed Countdown.
Really great to hear that ALL the Thug candidates have more negatives than Hillary. (Measured by people who “definitely would not vote for …”
CTuttle @ 47
something like “Gluklich Jahrestag” …. (literally. may not be idiomatic, though …..)
*is askairt to dig into that lovely welcome cake*
Look, Kids, it’s Congressman Hall!
fahrender @ 58
Danke!!! Are ya state-side now?
bonkers @ 26
Are seriously talking about your #168? Dude, I’ve long suggested that librium is under-prescribed.
RIAA downloading lawsuit as the straw that broke the camel’s back: Let’s teach the heartless, greedy bastards we’re the customers and boycott Sony. I’m putting my money where my mouth is. Please join me.
peanutbutter @ 59
It;s for Suzanne’s house buyers.
Madison Guy @ 63
At the risk of being a lot more inflammatory than I really mean to be …
Which part of “it’s stealing” do you not understand?
Madison Guy @ 63
Fuckery!!!!!
We should mount a campaign to help this woman get the money!!!!
burnspbesq @ 65
The part where the artist gets none of the money.
At this point I prefer to get stuff from (and pay directly to) the artist. I don’t need no stinkin’ middlman who is trying to enforce a market model that Does. Not. Work.
According to many artists, the record companies do enough accounting that the artists never see any money from them either.
burnspbesq @ 65
Sorry. I am a situation ethics person. I would steal from Sony in a heart beat. F*ck em. Its like a serf being punished for eating meat.
burnspbesq @ 65
I agree that that is the ultimate question. This nation has to agree — in fact the whole world has to agree — what is and isn’t property. That’s not an easy question.
I haven’t been around lately due to a self-imposed exile from outrage fatigue, so let me first say heya! and welcome back, everybody!
…so, anyways…are the Crist-Pearlman and other nefarious FL political connections old news/common knowledge?
burnspbesq @ 65
Burns, 24 songs, and, ’she got lucky it was only $10 G per violation…???’
wigwam @ 62
Dang.
Bonkers and I were having a nice, polite difference of opinion. We were managing to disagree without being disagreeable.
Then someone had to go and let a skunk into the room.
Welcome back Rumi.
burnspbesq @ 65
At first I thought I was going to agree with you Burnsie, but then I read the link. Sony recovered 220,000 from a woman who “stole” 24 dollars worth of music from them. That’s not justice.
peanutbutter @ 67
O.K., but which part of “the artist deserves some of the money and has a right to collect it” do you disagreee with?
wigwam @ 76
The artist AIN’T SONY.
I’d be ****ing surprised if the artist received ANY of that settlement. Pffft.
BigMitch @ 75
I agree. If they’d fined her $100 for 24 songs, or even $200, I’d say fine. But this is ridiculous.
peanutbutter @ 77
$24 Bucks…??? ;-)
Woman gets prison for crashing weddings, stealing credit cards
http://feeds.chron.com/~r/hous…..91922.html
A 31-year-old San Antonio woman was sentenced Friday to a year in federal prison for crashing weddings and stealing credit cards from the wedding participants.
Quite the hornet’s nest you overturned, Burns.
CTuttle @ 79
I would pay the artist directly 10 times as much per song. I won’t pay RIAA, Sony, etc, any of those ****ers one red cent.
BigMitch @ 81
Heh, You’re not the beneficiary, Mitch!!! *g*
peanutbutter @ 82
Producers, artists & distributors deserve something, as do store clerks and delivery truck drivers.
TexBetsy @ 84
Sure. But I dn’t need Sony to get music directly from the artist, with the Internet and all.
Anyway Prince has got the right notion ;-)
TexBetsy @ 74
Thanks! …I’m ready for more outrage again, please.
My Sony computer was a piece of shit. If that counts for anything.
It was called VAIO which stood for Video Audio Input Output. And it had a half duplex voice modem.
But I didn’t shoplift it.
The woman is the Jose Padilla of the recording industry.
rumi @ 86
Careful, don’t assume too wide a stance…!!! ;-)
CTuttle @ 89
no worries here
hell…I don’t even have the $24 to buy the toe-tappin’ music….the outrage thrives with or without us, I see.
Marion Jones raises the bar on the definition of classy.
I have to say the RIAA went way out of line. The artist that go along with that ‘justice’ are idiots. They get very little of any royalties back if they aren’t smart. Most artists make money via direct sales on the ‘net nowadays. Tradiitonally? All the money they make? Is by being tour hounds. Very little of it is made from the Label they cut it with, the label gets 95% and more for that. If i the artist is someone i like? I’ll pay to see them live.
I will buy the albums i deem worth buying. But when most stuff is unmitigated crap? I won’t spend more than i need to for overpriced and overrated music. I like the individual mp3s for sale model. Generally cheaper and good for those that will spend the money.
But suing a downloader for something like that? Bloody f*ucking outrageous.
BigMitch @ 81
And I plan to kick it again in a few minutes ;-)
TexBetsy @ 40
Good to hear! Woo-hoo! Go, Betsy!!!!
Bob in HI
okay, night all…busy day tomorrow.
rumi @ 90
There’s plenty around… I’m certainly heartened by the Progressive Caucus’s smack down of Steny’s grand designs on FISA…!!! 8-)
Time to tap the toes against the bed sheets and gather my strength to deal with the five (yes FIVE!) teenagers sleeping on floors, beds & couches all weekend.
Night y’all
BigMitch @ 91
Uhh, Mitch …
A stylish guilty plea to two Federal crimes is still a guilty plea to two Federal crimes.
I ran competitively in high school. This is a very hot button issue for me.
She CHEATED. That’s really all I need to know.
As I said at #75, I am prepared to agree with you, Burnsesq.
TexBetsy @ 97
Roll ‘em up and stack ‘em in the closet ;-)
TexBetsy @ 97
Good night. Shabbat sholom.
BigMitch @ 101
Shabbat Shalom Mitch. Laila Tov.
g’night PB and good luck, too, Betsy
TexBetsy @ 97
Pleasant Dreams, Ma’am!!!
BigMitch @ 91
I saw her teary public statement on the courthouse steps. She got it. She “sinned,” she has repented, she has retired from the sport that she loves, and it all looked very genuine to me. She asked for forgiveness, and I think she deserves it.
Bob in HI
burnspbesq @ 98
You’re right! It broke my heart… Poof, there goes her medals…!!!
It’s Late Late Night.
It’s the 50th I think, for ‘On The Road’?
Here’s MY Quarter For The Jukebox!
Glad the Progressive Caucus could make a difference. Why would telecoms need amnesty for not doing anything wrong in the first place?
bobschacht @ 105
I’m not disagreeing fundamentally, but as I recall, Marion left her husband twisting at the end of a long rope when he got whacked for similar stuff. No?
For the record:
#97 and #98 crossed in the
mailtubez.rumi @ 108
Maybe because they did break the law, when asked to by the White House? McConnell has a long history with AT&T, in the kind of unholy alliance against which we need to be protected.
Bob in HI
She is guilty, that’s a matter of record. She didn’t help herself materially in a legal sense by making the statement she did. But she put her humiliation on display, and made no excuses. I think that if cheating is a hot button issue for you, (as it should be) then you should look at her actions today as a difficult action which will help to reduce cheating in the future. I hope.
bobschacht @ 111
I agree completely. I’ve seen some articles in Wired that show how much more advanced (intrusive, broad, retentive) these programs have become since then.
I still think the most damaging part is the private intel contractor part of the data collection. I don’t think that factor even rarely gets mentioned.
BigMitch @ 112
She is guilty of cheating yes. But what’s worse? legal highway robbery via mediocre product or a download in preview of an album that may later be bought?
The way the labels run? It is legal highway robbery as far as i’m concerned. Those fines were outrageous and not even close to fitting her means. She’ll be paying until she dies and they’ll never get all the ‘compensation’.
Mitch and CT,
Let’s keep in mind that there are two analytically separate issues here, that are in danger of being inappropriately conflated.
The Framers made the decision a long time ago that it was appropriate to give Congress the power “to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.”
I don’t think — at least you haven’t yet so indicated — that you disagree with the fundamental notion that there should be patents and copyrights, and they should be legally protectable against infringement. Artists, musicians, and scientists need to eat and pay rent, just like the rest of us.
Your beef seems to be about remedies.
Article I, Section 8, clause 8 is an extremely broad grant of power to Congress. If Congress believes that infringement of copyrights on musical works by electronic file-sharing is an endemic problem that can best be addressed by imposing Draconian sanctions on the relative handful of people who will ever get caught, it is entirely within the powers granted to it under the Constitution to impose Draconian sanctions. It’s no less OK, in Constitutional terms, to use the threat of Draconian civil sanctions to get some general deterrence of potential copyright infringers than it is to use the threat of severe criminal sanctions to get general deterrence of criminals.
If you think there is a better way to achieve the same level of deterrence, that’s a conversation you can have on the Hill. If you’re saying you don’t want to deter copyright infringement, I’m afraid that train left the station in 1789.
Astral Technician @ 12
Is this a metaphor for more good sex?
*G*
I WILL admit to not understanding all the hip lingo at times . . . ;-)
“I still think the most damaging part is the private intel contractor part of the data collection. I don’t think that factor even rarely gets mentioned.” Explain please.
aliasofwestgate @ 114
Kinda like the Brown family and OJ, ‘cept ya can toss a Rolex into the mix…!!!
larue @ 107
Welcome, larue — good to see you.
aliasofwestgate @ 114
I am so sorry. I was speaking of Marion Jones, not the woman who got hit for stealing 24 dollars worth of music.
newtonusr @ 109
She not only said she pled guilty in court, but also tearily confessed that she had been dishonest to those around her. She frequently had to stop to compose herself, and when she didn’t stop herself, her voice would pinch and change with emotion.
The important thing to me here, is that clearly she acted like a jerk before, for years, but it finally all caught up with her, and she had a real “epiphany.” She still has to face the consequences, but she looked like she has learned a lot, and is a changed person. Isn’t that what one wants to happen?
Bob in HI
peanutbutter @ 67
If musicians banded together and signed up to an independent non-ASCAP/non-BMI agency who didn’t demand royalties of a) radio stations (internet, non-commercial, or otherwise) AND consumers actually supportedthese musicians by buying their albums and going to their shows…then there might be something to this.
Musicians usually make their money from advances and other payments from their labels…which get the royalty payments.
But label execs/employees do awful things…like selling covertly “promotional” CD’s to stores…and pocketing the cash. Promo albums don’t collect royalties. How many of you have bought a “promo” CD/album that says “not for re-sale”? That likely came from someone involved in the company who is prosecuting folks like this gal.
How much does Kazaa have to pay in that verdict?
Suzanne @ 17
Use the phrellin BLACK gloves, Suz Gal.
Clean less. Mess more often.
Kids . . . (sigh)
;-)
Suzanne @ 25
You were tuned to Our Unkle, tonite, weren’t cha . . *G*
larue @ 107
cool
TexBetsy @ 78
Well…she actually put several thousand songs up on Kazaa…but they decided to prosecute on these 24 songs. Why? I don’t know…maybe because the other artists were obscure and the judge wouldn’t have been impressed with the likeihood that they were downloaded.
It does seem strange that Sony and the RIAA didn’t have to show that any of these were actually downloaded, though.
Thank you cinnamon ape. You clarified my own little rant. *grins* Besides the fact that she’ll never, ever be able to get them that money in full.
cinnamonape @ 122
Cinnamonape, usually, I’m well a’bed when ya grace the Lake! That would be awesome, it would be nice if our elections were similarly funded…!!! *g*
CTuttle @ 37
The Brothers Davies! *G*
Suz, forgot you were sellin n showin.
Let the real estate putz pay for a maid!!!!
Does anyone here watch Washington Week with Gwynn Ifell on PBS?
Dang, it got late early tonight. Gotta go. Would love to resume this discussion about copyright and music distribution sometime.
Pleasant dreams, everyone.
BigMitch @ 131
I wasn’t too impressed this week, I’m wondering what Bill Moyers has in store tonite!!!
rumi @ 113
wired
No Dragnet, No Billions in Fines: Why Do Nation’s Spying Telcos Need Immunity From Congress?
BigMitch @ 117
Here is one example, from POGO
That reference describes a ‘back-door’ way of controlling the outsourced intelligence collection process and at an inflated cost. No oversight or control, it appears. It’s a bipartisan issue – us v them
burnspbesq @ 132
Nite, Burnsie!!!
BigMitch @ 91
Except she still denies “knowing” that she was taking steroids for the 4 years she was receiving “flaxseed oil” from Balco.
Even though she was told be her coach not to “tell anyone”…and that international-level athletes all know that they have to watch everything they eat/take and declare anything “medicinal” to the drug monitors of the IAAF and USOC.
Of course she knew!
And the reason she’s “confessing” now is because she’s looking for a big reduction in her sentence.
Even if people aren’t downloading music, they can still get together as a group to buy a CD, and then copy them onto each computer. So who is prosecuting them?
I buy directly from artists.
Very interesting review of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’s book, My Grandfather’s Son.
The analyst says he is a very angry guy, who sees the world in terms of a white lynch mob out to get him. He made a statement to that effect during the confirmation hearings, but I never knew it permiated his thinking.
We are talking about a man who went to Holy Cross, and Yale Law School, and who has a lifetime appointment to the Supreme court. (Almost as much job security as the Pope.) And he sees himself as a victim.
In a particularly telling episode, Thomas says of the Senator from Alabama who questioned him during the confirmation hearing: “Some people would describe him as courtly, but all I could see was a plantation owner questioning his slave.”
IANA shrink, but this strikes me as seriously disordered thinking.
cinnamonape @ 137
Federal sentencing doesn’t work that way. You get a reduction for acceptance of responsibility, but she already gets that just for pleading guilty.
BigMitch @ 139
The phrase was “high-tech lynching“. Yep.
Ut-oh, am I back in the land of censorship?
Would these programs be considered ‘dragnets’?
Point, Click … Eavesdrop: How the FBI Wiretap Net Operates
burnspbesq @ 65
Hoss, this issue is complicated, with respect to ‘rippin off the artist’ POV.
I’m not sure what yer referring to about STEALING . . .
But there are some HUGE issues tied to this POV, and internet streaming, and P2P Sites that artists SUPPORT, are all at hand here.
RIAA, is a bitch org supporting a corrupt and nasty industry that doesn’t pay artists their TRUE royalties.
And the music industry, as a whole, is a whore of unequaled history beyond REAL whores, politicians, and the oil and war machine industry’s.
So, when you wanna lash out as you did . . well.
So far, you’ve not presented well with those who would contest yer posits.
I’m NOT able or willing to contest EWE, point by point, but, a good read of THIS site will edjukate ewe far beyond what yer inseminating . . . ;-)
Read The RAIN!
I can’t figure out why 140 is awaiting moderation.
BigMitch @ 142
No. Dont know why you were caught. Hard refresh will display your comment.
marymccurnin @ 69
DAMN I wish I had said that instead of posting RAIN’s website!!
DAMN!! That was good. *G*
And yes, I’m just saying that cuz I agree with you!!! *G*
aliasofwestgate @ 92
Their labels run these “direct sales” on the net…and then pay royalties back. Net sales just makes more money proportionally tothe label than if they sold through a brick-and-mortar retailer.
The only way an artist makes money from selling CD’s on line (other than royalties) is if they OWN their own label. Only a handful of bands/artists do this (Ani DeFranco, for example).
In most cases this is true…but it depends on the contract with the label. Some bands get very little subsidy from the label for tours…and keep everything (or lose it if they don’t draw). Others get more…but have to pay back costs.
Most of the stuff people download/upload is unmitigated crap mainstream artists. How much you wanna bet that it was Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears songs in that bunch.
If artists want to make their music accessible by download they can…and do…have free download sites. Lots of my friends who are musicians do this. Seems like there is the potential for a rift between those indy artists who really want their music exposed…and those who are into the whole lip-synched payola commercial radio/MTV model.
Maybe in some ways this will show those people out there just what fools they are to support these vampires and their talentless drones.
Uhoh, Israel is the topic tonite on Moyers…!!!
No use arguing with Burnsesq. He’s gone to bed.
Mitch – the word that got you stuck was in the quoted text.
St*ro*ds…
wigwam @ 70
Bull shit.
The REAL question is who fuckin OWNS yer property!!! Stop dancin around the truth . . . *G*
CTuttle @ 149
yes, I thought the same thing. “Uhoh.”
The Lurking Mod @ 151
Nice to know…
peanutbutter @ 82
May Bhudda Bless Your Family.
*G*
The Lurking Mod @ 151
Gotcha. How it got through when the person I quoted said it, will prolly have to remain one of the unanswered questions left over after we have a GUT of everything. (Grand Unified Theory.)
It’s definitely cut a swath through those that support the RIAA’s actions and those that don’t among the ‘professional’ musicians. I do agree with you on the most part and i’m glad you’ve got the details of what at best is outdated mode for me. It’s been a long time since i even considered even working for record companies. The practices just make me angrier and angier. The indy labels and the artists that run them fairly? Have my kudos AND my support.
(I had been in class to be a music recording tech. that’s since been pushed back because of health issues. But music is and always will be a passion. i rarely listen to popular radio just becuase it’s so horrible to my ear. i can’t buy into that illusion anymore. )
A Dying Cubs Fan’s Last Request
Steve Goodman
By the shores of old Lake Michigan
Where the “hawk wind” blows so cold
An old Cub fan lay dying
In his midnight hour that tolled
Round his bed, his friends had all gathered
They knew his time was short
And on his head they put a bright blue cap
From his all-time favorite sport
He told them, “It’s late and its getting dark in here,
And I know it’s time to go
But before I leave the line-up
Boys, there’s just one thing I’d like to know!”
Do they still play the blues in Chicago
When baseball season rolls around?
When the snow melts away,
Do the Cubbies still play
In their ivy-covered burial ground?
When I was a boy they were my pride and joy
But now they only bring fatigue
To the home of the brave
The land of the free
And the doormat of the National League
He told his friends, “You know the law of averages says
Anything will happen that can.”
(That’s what it says.)
“But the last time the Cubs won a National League pennant
Was the year we dropped the bomb on Japan”
The Cubs made me a criminal
Sent me down a wayward path
They stole my youth from me
(that’s the truth)
I’d forsaken my teachers
To go sit in the bleachers
In flagrant truancy
And then one thing led to another
and soon I’d discovered alcohol, gambling, dope
football, hockey, lacrosse, tennis!
But what do you expect, when you raise up
a young boy’s hopes,
and then just crush ‘em like so many paper beer cups?
Year after year after year
after year, after year, after year, after year, after year
‘Til those hopes are just so much popcorn
for the pigeons beneath “the EL” tracks to eat?
He said “You know I’ll never see Wrigley Field, anymore
before my eternal rest
So if you have your pencils and your score cards ready,
I’ll read you my last request”
He said, “Give me a double header funeral in Wrigley Field
On some sunny weekend day (no lights)
Have the organ play the National Anthem
and then a little ‘na, na, na, na, hey hey, hey, Goodbye’
Make six bullpen pitchers carry my coffin
and six ground keepers clear my path
Have the umpires bark me out at every base
In all their holy wrath
Its a beautiful day for a funeral
Hey Ernie, let’s play two!
Somebody go get Jack Brickhouse to come back,
and conduct just one more interview
Have the Cubbies run right out into the middle of the field,
Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly
Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt
And I’ll be ready to die!
Build a big fire on home plate out of your Louisville Slugger baseball bats,
And toss my coffin in
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow
From the prevailing 30 mile an hour south west wind
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall
I’ll bid the bleacher bums adieu
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue”
The dying man’s friends told him to cut it out
They said stop it, that’s an awful shame
He whispered, “Don’t Cry,
we’ll meet by and by
near the Heavenly Hall of Fame”
He said, “I’ve got season’s tickets to watch the Angels now,
So its just what I’m going to do”
He said, “but you the living, you’re stuck here with the Cubs,
So it’s me that feels sorry for you!”
And he said, “Ahh play, play that lonesome losers tune,
That’s the one I like the best”
And he closed his eyes, and slipped away
What we got is the Dying Cub Fan’s Last Request
And here it is:
Do they still play the blues in Chicago
When baseball season rolls around?
When the snow melts away,
Do the Cubbies still play
In their ivy-covered burial ground?
When I was a boy they were my pride and joy
But now they only bring fatigue
To the home of the brave
The land of the free
And the doormat of the National League.
—from Steve Goodman’s Affordable Art album.
i saw steve play three times in austin.
i miss him.
i hate “go, cubs, go”.
BigMitch @ 153
So you’re watching it…??? Moyers is an excellent source… He takes a fair view of the landscape…!!! *g*
CTuttle @ 106
As well as the medals of those on the relays…perhaps some of whom were NOT on steroids. For them I really feel sorry.
And…irony upon irony…the Gold medal in the Sydney 100 Meters will go to Thanou…the Silver-Medalist. We remember her…the gal that got caught refusing to undergo the mandatory drug tests before the ATHENS Olympics…faking a motorcycle crash to avoid getting caught! Very likely Madame Thanou wasn’t so clean in Sydney either. Maybe she was using the same stuff that went undetected in Jones…from an alternative source.
Jones may also have to pay back millions in award moneys, appearance fees, and award gifts from sponsors (including cars, etc).
Her ordeal is just beginning.
BigMitch @ 156
The same way yours did, actually.
cinnamonape @ 160
Oof, I certainly feel for her…!!!
CTuttle @ 159
Not on here for a while. Got TIVO set to go. Prolly won’t be able to stay up for it.
cinnamonape @ 160
she could be sentenced to prison time.
the drama of her public contrition is dampened by her need for it to win her leniency.
BigMitch @ 91
Marion Jones WAS a hero and a role model. Now, she’s not.
There are many like her, male, female, in all sports. Some dirty, some innocent, some set up.
We got bigger fish to fry.
At this point, sports being a metaphor for perhaps for the micro and macro lens or our lives, sports is the LEAST of our worries.
And it should be the LEAST of our concerns, as we fight for our constitution.
Fun it is though . . . . the EFFING Yanks are down 0-2 to The Tribe. That’s fun.
The rest is our survival.
And Big Mitch, as much as I love sports, and as much as I love life and it’s foibles . . . I guess I gotta let go the escapism of sports, despite our anguished shit with reality.
It DOES bring me respite.
We can ALL use some respite.
Sigh. Sooooo complicated, this hooman tribal bonding thang . . . ;-)
I certainly enjoyed the fact that BB’s record shattering HR ball will go to Cooperstown with a big asterisk branded on it…!!! ;-)
If I am not mistaken Rabbi Lerner is associated with Tikkun magazine. It is the favorite Jewish source for liberals sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. There’s a spectrum of Jewish thought about Israel, and he is not a bizarre outlyer. But he is definitely off to one side.
TJ @ 138
I suspect that SONY and the RIAA WOULD Prosecute them if they could catch them. But it’s interesting that one can legally resell a legally purchased LP/CD (non-promo) for any amount one wishes, and that new owner can then make a copy for multiple “personal” uses.
There is a group that allows people to list on-line their CD’s that they wish to “resell”/trade…and even sends them mailing envelopes. I think the charge is about $2 a disk…with about 20% that actually goes to the artists directly (although this appears legally unnnecessary).
CTuttle @ 166
not too bad.
why not an inscription branded into it saying
“Record obtained with performance enhancing drugs by a cheater who got away with it“.
CTuttle @ 166
You mean B***y B***s…
larue @ 165
A bad FISA ‘fix’ was shot down today by the Progressive Caucus today, that’s a positive step forward, and, the Bosox are two up headed to Anaheim…!!! *g*
Suzanne @ 36
Visualize everything gleaming. What could it hurt?
BigMitch @ 167
Aah, so we’re watching, eh???
ct says, “A bad FISA ‘fix’ was shot down today by the Progressive Caucus today”.
so where’s our post about this?
is there one at TNH?
(maybe this computer thing here could tell me?)
(i seem to get all my news from here now.)
thx, ct
Man, I sure hope we don’t find out that Babe Ruth did any illegal substances during prohibition. Do you know what a greenie is? Bet your ass that Willie Mays does, and he’s my favorite of all time. I have to say, I have weird attitudes towards drugs in professional sports.
I know that at the Olympic level sports are a profession, but I still consider the point of the olympics to be something different than the point of the MLB.
And you could give me all the steroids in the world and I couldn’t hit the ball like BB.
I read a rather convincing article that made the case that the real cheating came from that elbow armor he wears which is now illegal. He has a grandfathered right to wear it.
CTuttle @ 173
No, but I have TV guide on my cable provider.
yellowdog jim @ 174
Ask and ye shall receive…
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/…..n_fisa.php
big mitch,
so you would NOT have any asterisk on bobby’s boy’s ball?
yellowdog jim @ 178
I see only one real valid point brought up, how many pitchers did he face that were juiced…!!!
CTuttle @ 177
way thanks, CT!
i’m off to read and i read slooooooowwww,
so
if any firepups bail out afore i return,
hasta mañana, amigos!
well, yellow, I just don’t know. I have mixed feelings about BB. On a very basic level, I don’t like defacing the artifact. But I don’t think that’s what you are really asking me about.
If Bobby were as likeable as, say, Sammy Sosa, this would not be so big an issue. Didn’t he get caught with a corked bat during a game? (Rhetorical.)
Do you remember when Bush mentioned steroids in a State of the Union speech? I thought at the time that this was the biggest bunch of shit I had seen in a really long time.
CTuttle @ 179
i am beginning to feel very sorry for the baseball.
Why is drugs in baseball an issue but not in football? Are they really much better at testing?
yellowdog jim @ 169
How About:
“He hit .373!”
“He clobbered 73 in ‘01!!!”
Come on, Bonds is one of the greatest to ever live, and I’m a disciple of Teddy Ballgame and Roberto Clemente.
You want a live bat, you talk about Barry Bonds . . . Mick had greenies, The Babe was loaded . . . and WHO knows what else he was doing besides booze.
Bonds had a live bat. Like Henry.
With, or without, drugs, Bonds had a live bat. Give it to him. N stop whinin.
yellowdog jim @ 182
LOL! Will Barry be a Yank next season?
Bonds dealing with the NY Press. That should take some attention away from A-rod’s 0-fer post season.
larue @ 184
I’m not whining, merely pointing out the ironies that abound!!!
BigMitch @ 186
I’m sure he’d be the darling of the media!!! Bwhahahaha….!!! ;-)
BigMitch @ 181
no fair infusing/tainting our discussion with the “Bush” word. /s
i do like the artifact part.
bobby was barry’s dad and we hear tell he was not well liked.
i’ll cede you we leave the ball alone, IF we brand Barry.
on his injection sites:
“Drugs taken here.”
Sosa is a whole other kettle of fish.
i would be okay with the steroids if we were dipping every player in the league into one big pool of teh drugs all at once: that way everything’s on the level.
/s
then there’s your Michael Vick.
my mileage varies.
yellowdog jim @ 189
Aww, don’t stop, you’re on a roll…!!! ;-)
CTuttle @ 61
no, i’m in Dresden. i visited my son in Oregon back in July but for at least a year i’ll be here, mostly…..
and now that i think about it, Happy Anniversary is probably more like “Gluckliches Jahrestag”…..
BigMitch @ 181
Allow me to provide some context…
I’m a Bay Area resident and have had near constant media absorption about all this. When B***y was at his most besieged, he was avoiding the media as much as possible.
But one day, he held court on the dugout steps at Mays Park. He leaned against the railing and scoffed at reporters who asked the most rudimentary questions of a guy who had been doping. He was, however, not alone. Standing beside him was his young son. The kid was a spectator to his dad’s roasting, but not by choice.
At what was an obviously preplanned moment, B***y took his son by the shoulders with both hands and steered him so he was standing between the reporters and himself. He then glared into the assembled cameras and uttered, “Look what you’re doing to my son.”
I almost don’t care about his doping. Some father, human, man.
This M****rF****r used his young son as both a shield and a blunt lance against his throng.
Fuck B***y B***s and the fucking horse he rode in on.
In 181 I said Bobby when I meant Barry. I liked Bobby, and I don’t recall that he was unpopular. He had the nickname “the Hammer.” which in some precincts was considered a racial epithet. I remember him from late in his career when he played for the Mets. IIRC
BigMitch @ 183
i did not know they weren’t an issue in football.
it’s an issue in bicycling.
track and field.
wrestling.
horse racing.
golf is next.
why wouldn’t be fair to take drugs that don’t enhance your performance?
Ricky Wiliams is suspanded for marijuana.
marijuana doesn’t enhance his football performance.
Rasta
fahrender @ 191
Danke Schon!!!
Newton(not in Mass.)user:
I remember that press conference. I felt about the same way, now that you mention it. I thought this guy does not know who butters his bread.
CTuttle @ 187
Hell, BONDS abounded lately, in the field.
Some of it WAS incredibly sad.
Still. He USED to have range. No arm.
LIVELY BAT! LIVELY BAT! LIVELY BAT! LIVELY BAT! LIVELY BAT! LIVELY BAT!
*G*
yellowdog jim @ 194
Numerous players have been fined and/or suspended for illicit substances running the gamut…!!!
Golf doesn’t need to juice its players. It juices the player’s equipment.
yellowdog jim @ 180
Get it from the source! Its up on the Progressive Dems caucus website.
Bob in HI
CTuttle @ 190
CTUTTLE, yer an enabler, aincha . . *G*
TexBetsy @ 80
i know of a case where a woman stole drugs at a funeral gathering that the deceased hadn’t used before dying. it was reported to the police but was not prosecuted because the woman’s parents were friends of the family
larue @ 197
One of the sweetest swings in the Bigs… Manny’s walk-off was just as purty, he didn’t even leave the batter’s box until it cleared the Green Monster…!!! ;-)
fahrender @ 202
There was a recent case where the rent-a-minister stole all the wedding gifts. Seriously.
BigMitch @ 199
the filters will prohibit the pharmaceutical i would have referenced here with respect to
“It juices the player’s equipment”, ala
bob dole.
larue @ 201
Aww, would I do such a thing…??? *g*
CTuttle @ 203
Gag me with a spoon.
The facts are that I sat down to dinner with my son when the game went into extra innings. When we were done, the game was over. I checked at the Lake, and got a kind of real time play by play from the comments here.
But I still like the Lake. Kinda.
yellowdog jim @ 205
Make longer putts?*
__________
Notes for Yiddish challenged.
*Putz = a member, and I don’t mean of a club.
wasabi late nighters
Found this image spider crawling my site. Kinda amusing in a free associative way.
BigMitch @ 167
Well, gee. Aren’t we, here at FDL, kinda off to one side of the American political spectrum? I like being a little off-center, myself. But if anyone is curious, here’s the Tikkun website.
Bob in HI
BigMitch @ 207
I never mentioned the Evil Empire until the game was over, I am guilty of commenting on the Bosox game in the late innings…!!!
interfaith bobschacht @ 210
Isn’t jewish interfaith a misnomer?
bobschacht @ 200
Too late to edit:
I’d like to add that its important to get the statement of the Progressive Democrats Caucus statement about the emerging FISA legislation from the source, because some versions that I have seen on the web do not have all 8 points, and all of them are important.
Bob in HI
twȝk @ 212
Uhoh, are ya trying to get Mitch banned…??? *g*
Just back from the Fall Harvest Party for The Friends of Mat-Su, a local community activist group. Bluegrass music and lotsa great home-baked dishes. Ms. ET and I brought a beet saled that we discovered recently. More results coming in from our local elections, as many tight races are going to progressives. We didn’t have a local sweep, but four years ago, we were totally out of the scheme of things.
CTuttle @ 214
lol, no, trying to get bob banned *g
Seriously tho, how can you have [insert religion] interfaith. Unless maybe the religion is Bahá’í or something, lol.
bobschacht @ 213
Each point instilled hope in me, Bob, and I agree all eight need to be addressed!!!
Ed*ard Teller @ 215
Cool and Cheers for progressive inroads!
twȝk @ 209
OH. MY. GOD!!!
Check this out and then check this out. Then scroll about 1/3 of the way down on the spider link provided above. You will be amazed, I promise.
twȝk @ 212
First, Tikkun has become involved in interfaith dialogue, and is part of the Network of Spiritual Progressives. That said, in my limited acquaintance with Jewish thinking, there is some resentment against Christians who forever seem to be expropriating parts of Jewish life and culture for Christian purposes, and it is natural for some Jews to feel defensive about this. After all, how can Jews remain distinctive, if Christians keep expropriating their stuff? So I would think that the biggest objection to Tikkun is not their politics, but the extent of their collaboration(?) with Christians. But I don’t think I’ve said that quite right.
Mitch, are you still around?
Bob in HI
So, Recap, Hosses N Hossettes:
All MLB Series are 2-0!!!!
ALL OF THEM!!
BoSox Got Them Halo’s!
Tribe Got Them Yanks!
Snakes Got Cubbies! (sniff, dammit)
Rockies Got Dem Phils! (OUCH!)
I’m a big Josh Beckett fan, I’m a closet BoSox fan by way of a LOT of BeanTown Greats:
From Bobby Doerr to Dennis The Eck.
And Teddy Ballgame is STILL my fav batsman of all time.
Bobby Doerr
Ted Williams
Dom DiMaggio
Johnny Pesky
Boo Ferriss
Sam Mele
Mel Parnell
Mickey McDermott
Frank Sullivan
Frank Malzone
Bill Monbouquette
Pumpsie Green
Gene Conley
Carl Yastrzemski
Dick Radatz
Dick Williams
Rico Petrocelli
Tony Conigliaro
Jim Lonborg
Eddie Kasko
George Scott
Mike Andrews
Ken Harrelson
Carlton Fisk
Bob Montgomery
Luis Tiant
Dwight Evans
Don Zimmer
Rick Burleson
Bernie Carbo
Jim Rice
Fred Lynn
Butch Hobson
Dennis Eckersley
Bob Stanley
Jerry Remy
Bruce Hurst
Rich Gedman
Ralph Houk
Joe Morgan
There’s more missing . . .
Teh Yanks were always MY Strikeout Fav Team Though. A backstop, a tennis ball, one bat, and two of us.
I was always ‘27 Yanks, or the ‘61 Yanks.
NO ONE can beat them. Not team to team.
But that was then.
I love them BoSox.
And it’s a sorry thang, that Ernie Banks STILL won’t see a series.
Cue The Song . . . . I LOVE Goodman, RIP, Hoss. You and the Cubbie’s, and that damned train to New Orleans. God bless ya all . . .
twȝk @ 216
Umm, I’m a Baha’i!!! 8-)
twȝk @ 216
I’m a Unitarian. To me, interfaith means searching for commonalities in the overall search for goodness. It is different from ecuminicism, which is more of a search for platforms of agreement between faiths, especially among paid employees of those faiths.
BigMitch @ 199
are you implying that golfers don’t use anything? color me skeptical…..
Ed*ard Teller @ 215
Hey, now you’re talking my stuff! Bluegrass music has been my hobby for decades, and I was a founding member of a nationally known band, Front Range. Let’s pick & grin!
Bob in HI
larue @ 221
*gasp* No love for Wade Boggs…???
CTuttle @ 222
LOL
BigMitch @ 219
Nope, maybe it takes a random sample based upon ip address or something.
Hi.
BigMitch @ 204
Rent-a-Minister
An Oral Roberts University Equal Opportunity Employer
Hi, Loo Hoo.
bobschacht @ 220
That is interesting. I didn’t know that. Makes sense. Historically don’t Christians operate rather like the Borg.
Loo Hoo! Can’t sleep?
I have watched this story as well as I could … all season. This must be read by everyone … thousands and thousands of animals have changed their habits … No Politics …. No left, No right.
Walruses seek shore given lack of ice
Rabbi Lerner is an activist in the movement to find common ground with other religions. Good for him. The point that Jewish interfaith is an oxymoron is technically correct.
With respect to Christian expropriation of Jewish symbols and rituals, I can’t speak for anyone but me. I have led Passover celebrations at churchs, so you would be correct to conclude that I am completely cool with it. How other people practice their religion is beyond my jurisdiction to decide. But generally, if I can assist, I will.
There’s one exception. I have no tolerance for Jews for Jesus. I’ll leave it at that.
newtonusr @ 192
nice.
thanks, newton user.
too grim.
now won’t big and larue point out that the biggest names in baseball weren’t really nice people anyway?
bobschacht @ 225
Ed*ard Teller @ 223
So Unitarian is kinda like a interfaith religion then?
Ct-bahai? I have a great friend who converted about 30 yrs ago at age of 20~ I have visted Temple in Haifa and was very impressed
Just got back from seeing the Steve Miller Band. They were really good.
twȝk @ 232
At every juncture, man has attained a new status, each Son of God has imparted a new level of consciousness to mankind, do not discard one because it’s out-dated, it is all part of the foundation God has provided to us…!!! *g*
Cool Loo Hoo!
I’m just listening to the Foo Fighters lastest album. One of the few major artists i’ll listen to nowadays. I’m still flailing and squeeing personally that Grohl did The Battle of the Beaconsfield Miners as a totally acoustic instrumental track. They don’t DO that anymore outside of folk/indie. And i love this to bits!I would kill to be able to hear that live., and i’m already seeing majority of the fanbase dismissing it as crap. Makes me mad because they don’t respect the roots of the thing. *sighs*
Yes, i have a weakness for good acoustic. (two uncles that played all the time when i was little. can’t play myself but the love for it stayed.) So hearing this from such a high power pop band? Has me just in total heaven.
There was this giant train wreck in the Arctic this year … We could bring it to the fore front … but I’m not sure we can even deal with what went into the books.
Here’s one that didn’t come from the Arctic …. Phoenix had 32 days above 110 degrees this summer. July was the hottest month ever seen at Las Vegas, Nev.
It goes on and on from there.
twȝk @ 209
dammit! forrest, i went in there and got lost! what an image bank ……
Ruffian @ 239
Ooh, I envy you!!! I would love to visit Mt. Carmel…!!! Click my ‘f’ I’ve proudly displayed it for all to see…!!! *g*
BigMitch @ 235
Cool! I appreciate your response. I have had the honor of participating in Jewish-led Passover celebrations twice, once in a private home, and once or twice at the Campus Ministry Center at NAU in Flagstaff, AZ. It was a privilege that I much enjoyed, and hope to have additional opportunities to do so.
Bob in HI
BigMitch @ 219
Okay, do this, PLEASE.
Check the two sites above, which are from my blog. Then go to this weird place which had the image captured by the spider.
twȝk @ 238
For me it is more than that. I started dealing with feeling uncomfortable saying the Nicene or Apostles’ Creeds back when I was a kid. I believed the Jesus stories, but never accepted the Christ myth. Along the way, I considered converting to Judaism, and have studied Buddhism for years. But two simple books have helped me more than the hundreds I’ve read on faiths. J. B. Phillips’s Your God is Too Small, and The Kybalion.
Steven Hawking’s _A Brief History of Time_ has been inspirational too.
We know so little. 99.9999% of human knowledge is yet to be discovered.
twȝk @ 232
i saw that episode:
The Borg are christian.
/s
yellowdog jim @ 248
I thought they were Ori.
Well, fellow Pups, I shall bid a fond adieu again! Aloha Oe!!!
Ruffian @ 239
People who say that Israelis don’t want to live in peace with their Arab neighbors and vice-a-versa need to know about Haifa.
BigMitch @ 235
somebody yesterday put up a film called “Zeitgeist” which did a sprint through ancient theology/religious cultural commonalities. it’s pretty amazing how many of them have an incredible number of shared symbols and myths. Many of the religions, are being used to make trouble. Christianity, Islam and Judaism being the most prominent offenders. These people (the more zealous of each religion) may end up getting us all killed.
nite tuttle
tw3k – my answer to your #238 has now shown up – released from fdlGitmo at what is now #248…
BigMitch @ 235
I think that it is good for people to find commonality. So, good for Lerner and You. In my interactions with people I try to be respectful of their beliefs. Otherwise I am more inclined to mock religion. At the same time I do have a superficial interest in religion. I don’t know much about the topic.
CTuttle @ 241
:)
You saying don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater?
aliasofwestgate @ 249
only the blessings of the innertoobz/webnet/goog make it possible for me to know that we speak of the StarGate SG-1.
Ori
cool.
i am behind on my stargate.
thnx.
fahrender @ 244
Yeah, it cool, kinda snap shots of thought. It auto-refreshes and I had the window for a day. Really runs the gamut.
BigMitch @ 247
I don’t get it. You have the same image?
tw*k ==
The woman pictured on the wierd place in 219 shows up at several different places as a victim. I noticed this during the war in Lebanon. Then when you introduced us to the image spider, I see her pictured in front of Columbia protesting something or other.
Ed*ard Teller @ 248
Interesting, I think you dropped the link for The Kybalion before.
I read A Brief History of Time a long time ago and should read it again.
I have a hard of time understanding religions and a doubly hard time understanding and keeping straight religious sects.
aliasofwestgate @ 250
Office of Research Integrity? lol.
fahrender @ 253
Seriously, Christianity, Islam and Judaism are basically the same, as far as I can tell, and do nothing but war with one another.
Ed*ard Teller @ 255
Got it! Thanks, I’m moving kinda slow this morning and went and refilled my java.
BigMitch @ 262
Ah, ok. I only gave it a quick glance trying to keep up with the thread. Sorry.
yellowdog jim @ 257
When i watched that season i was amused by it. But the gimmick got boring for me rather quickly. I’m a Stargate: Atlantis fangirl through and through. Darker plots, nastier snark and overall fun. But the fact that they did their own ’space fundies’ definitely made me giggle. So many reasons i love Science Fiction stuff in general, and that’s one of them. And the fact that the ‘good guys’ are descendents of space buddhists (saffron, ending suffering, etc, etc, etc.) makes it all the more amusing. Yes the Ancients are buddists, just look closely. XD
twȝk @ 264
Let me begin with a defense of Christianity. I don’t know that they war with anybody. America is at war, but I hardly think that it is Christian in its warmaking. The pope is Christian, but he uses rent-a-cops from Switzerland to defend the Vatican.
The vast majority of Muslims do not live in the mid-east, and they live in peaceful nations. Islam regards itself as a religion of peace. I don’t know much about it, to be honest, but I think it is fair to say that we can’t make intelligent judgments about Islam based upon what we read in the MSM.
As to Judaism waging war, it is fair to say that until the formation of the State of Israel, Jews didn’t wage war on anyone. The actions of the state of Israel have been debated beyond ad nauseum. Suffice it to say that Israel and Jewish are not synonymous.
Now, as to the accusation that the religions “do nothing” but wage wars. They run hospitals and schools. They adopt orphans. Great art is inspired, including music. More directly to the point, religion provides great comfort to many people. And, for me, at least, it provides intellectual stimulation that I couldn’t find in the sciences or in the law. But your milage may vary.
aliasofwestgate @ 267
lol, good synopsis.
BigMitch @ 268
That is fair. Was a sweeping generalization on my part.
twȝk @ 269
it’s past my bed time so I will check out with this provocative observation. I don’t know about Stargate:Atlantis being based on budhist elders but I can tell you that there is a lot of Jewish imagery in Star Trek. For openers, the Vulcan hand sign, fingers split between the middle and ring finger is the way the Jewish priests, Cohens, bless the people on the High Holidays in the Orthodox ritual. This is the source of the Vulcan “salute.” Shatner and Nemoy are Jewish, and Nemoy is actually quite involved in his faith.
Nite all!
BigMitch @ 272
Good night!
It shows up in Atlantis’s second season most often. The more buddhist imagery. Particularly the pacifist nature of the middle way as well. I’m not sure where the writers got the idea for it but that’s the impression i got it.
The Ori are introduced in SG1 season 9. They have no connection with Atlantis. I just like Atlantis more for a variety of reasons. *grins* But at the time i was watching both shows and it was pretty obvious to one who’s studied a variety of religions. The SG1 plot was heavy handed, SGA’s imagery was ‘obvious’ to me, but not for those that don’t know it. Rather clumsy in part, but i still liked it.
Ah, it’s tough to be a Yankee fan tonight. I share Jane’s pains.
[Wanders in with teddy bear]
I can’t sleep. Anybody got hot chocolate?
aliasofwestgate @ 274
I’ve only watched Stargate a few times. I kinda liked the movie with all the Egyptian imagery. I have very large holes in my knowledge of religious symbolize. Most of what I do know comes from western art history.
It is all fascinating non-the-less and all the more interesting when you are able to discern the origins of symbols.
egregious @ 276
Nope, just coffee :)
Mythology buff here. *grins* One of my side hobbies. I don’t pursue it as much as music, but i’ve a fascination with the storytelling of cultures in general. You can’t understand one without the other, most of the time. In order ot understand their stories, you have to have a grasp of their religions–which also gives you a bit of an idea of their POV of the world as well. Lots of commonalities, and absolutely fascinating differences.
beautiful clear sky out tonight. Bright crescent moon with the whole moon visible.
twȝk @ 278
Enough to share?
aliasofwestgate @ 279
Absolutely, I used to enjoy browsing through the Joseph Campbell books where he ties together various mythologies. I wish I had more time to study as well.
egregious @ 281
Sure! French roast too!
Thanks twȝk.
Children of Abraham
Words & music by John McCutcheon
John: vocal, guitar & hammer dulcimer
Jon: harmony vocal, piano & organ
JT: harmony vocal & bass
Pete: electric guitar
Jos: drums & percussion
Maura: harmony vocal
Once again
We gather here
As the night grows long
Deep in the year
It is a season of light
Of prayer and fasting
And the endless longing
For love everlasting
All the children of Abraham
And we are Isaac
On the mountaintop
By the hand of God
May the killing stop
Faith without measure
Hope without end
Love shall make
The nations bend
All the children of Abraham
And he said, “There is but One”
And he said, “There is but One”
And the name is Allah
And the name is Yahweh
And the name is Jesus
And the name is God
And in this year
This dark December
As we look onward
Let us remember
We share this history
We share this place
We share this moment
We ask for grace
All the children of Abraham
And he said, “We are but One”
And he said, “We are but One”
And we are Muslin
And we are Jew
And we are Christian
We are just me and you
All the children of Abraham
©2001 John McCutcheon/Appalsongs (ASCAP)
Staunton, VA December 2001 (Hanukah/Ramadan/Advent)
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Good morning! I passed out at my desk last night……I’ll go put some coffee on and make some corn muffins for everyone.
ccmask @ 287
Keyboard impression on your face?
twȝk @ 288
Haha. I thought I was the only nut up so early on a Saturday!
Good – very early – morning. Blue grass? I love Blue Grass. Discovered it one trip traveling to Texas from MN along the 35 corridor and stayed overnight at a small town where they were having a Blue Grass Festival. I sat for an evening of the best food at a local restaurant and excellent music.
I bought a tape that night and it was worn out and scratched by the time I got back to MN 4 weeks later. Just attended a festival here in MN. Great listening. And I swear that blue Glass, Irish, Scottish, and regional music all have similar attributes.
And ‘clogging’ has many homes. Love it. I regularly stream blue grass music as I read FDL peruse the digital news. Favorite – ‘The Old Home Place’.
Good morning ccmask — how are you? Sounds like you are working a bit much these days.
Good morning, pups. Today the NYT has TOMC and Bob Herbert. TOMC says that Rudy G. has finally come up with something to say other than muttering “9/11, 9/11, 9/11.” Bob Herbert is annoyed that the nation’s “leadership” has done nothing to deal constructively with the realities that Americans face in employment, health care, etc. He titled his column “Send in the Clowns.” Heh.
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The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got banana pancakes with pecans all ready. Have a great day.
ccmask @ 289
Nope, definitely not :)
GrandmaJ @ 291
I’m great! So good to see you. A very rare occasion, it seems. Hope you are well.
Marion in Savannah @ 292
Can you fedex a short stack for me?
Hey GrandmaJ!
Rudy really needs another focus on his campaign. I can never understand how proud he is of 911. I like to pretend that its like Paul von Hindenburg running for Mayor on the zepplin fire (had he still been been alive, of course.)
Mornin’ all!
Hi twolf! Got coffee yet?
g’morning all
so andy’s greatest post season performance goes for absolutely nothing
the big game chokester clemens gets the ball tonight and I am not happy one bit
tore better have him on a very short leash
and I don’t want to hear from the boston fans who aren’t rooting for the yankees
if you don’t want to face the yankees in the post season you’re no baseball fan
and I don’t want to hear from the met fans that live in new york if you aren’t rootin for the yankees, if you don’t want a new york team to win the series then you belong in onother series
ccmask @ 299
perris has a tub of panera coffee and mixed bagels to go with it
only 6 soufle’s so get them before they’re gone, there’s spinache artichoke but I claim that one, there’s bacon, ham, cheese and something else but don’t ask what that is
perris @ 301
The one thing I reallymiss living in the middle of the orange groves & caladium fields are bagels. I would love an “everything” bagel with scallion cream cheese. Funny you mention the artichoke because I’m making stuffed artichoke for dinner tonite!
I love the smell of orange blossoms in the morning!
ccmask @ 302
not too much bread please, try to get the real meaty ones, mmm..mmmm…mmmm
Three pager at ABC called “Rice Issues New Rules for Blackwater”. Including cameras on vehicles and federal agents will ride shotgun with them….and a half slap on the wrist.
Elliott @ 303
Yes, the smell is wonderful. And here is a pic of the caladium fields.
Good morning everyone!
I’m hungry, I think a big breakfast is in order.
ccmask @ 306
neat!
Millineryman @ 307
I’ll bring the maple syrup!
Christy is upstairs
Elliott @ 309
Yum!
Saturday morning — it’s time to Pull Up A Chair
Let me be clear
Religions are misogynistic and the fundies are the worst offenders.
I am a devout atheist and with Richard Dawkins on religion.
Religions are clubs based on fairy tales and used to control people. Like clubs their is rivalry, condescension, contempt and fighting.
The social value of religion as a binding force is perhaps the single interesting aspect as it crosses geographic borders.
The world would be a safer place without religion. But churches are gorgeous… the ones in Yerp.