The revelation -- no, reminder -- that the Bush Administration reauthorized torture after calling it "abhorrent," lied about it, and hid behind secret legal opinions issued by Alberto Gonzales' Justice Department continues to elicit public revulsion.
And the questions everyone keeps avoiding are once again staring America in the face: What are we going to do about it, America? How long are we going to allow this regime to taunt us, to disgrace our nation, to trash every legal and moral principle upon which our country was founded?
John Dean, appearing on Countdown, suggested we should at least extend the statute of limitations another five years, so that those responsible for committing crimes during this regime could be brought to justice. That's a start, but more is needed.
Yesterday, Democrats demanded to see all DoJ opinions on interrogation since 2004. They're right to ask, and the Administration will again refuse. What then? Democrats already gave up on the idea of holding up the AG nomination until the DoJ surrenders other documents. Unwilling to use Congress' contempt powers, how will they enforce their "demands" now?
Last night we watched evasions from Dana Perino and Fran Townsend [C&L has video] -- kudos to CNN's Wolf Blitzer for asking several good questions that Townsend could/would not answer. The WH officials were obviously shaken (Perino) and angry (Townsend) at having to do the Administration's dirty work; neither looked comfortable. The Administration knows it has been caught lying about something Americans care about, something that defines who we are -- or thought we were.
In another ongoing saga of Administration lawlessness, the State and Justice Departments were scrambling to cover their failure to pursue criminal investigations of any contractors involving in killing Iraqis. However, sending an FBI team to look into the recent Blackwater shootings presumes there is some law that applies when American contractors kill Iraqis in Iraq. There may not be. They've known that since 2003 but done nothing about it. So yesterday, the House passed a bill to apply US laws to all such contractors. Even that cannot ensure accountability if the Administration doesn't follow the law:
“At the end of the day, the execution of this depends not on Congress but the executive branch,” said Peter W. Singer, a senior fellow at Brookings Institute, who has followed the contractor issue closely. He said that by some accounts as many as 20 potential criminal cases involving contractors have been referred to the Justice Department, but that none were pursued. “They have disappeared into a black hole,” he said. . . .[Scott Horton, a human rights lawyer who has been heavily involved in efforts to develop legislation that would hold contractors accountable,] . . . expressed frustration that officials had not been more proactive in prosecuting crimes in Iraq that the legal situation remains gray. “When we have got a contractor city say of 180,000 people and there hasn’t been a completed prosecution of anybody coming out of Iraq, not one,” he said. “What sort of city in America would be like that, where no one is prosecuted for anything for three years? It’s unthinkable.”
Instead of embracing a way out, the WH opposes the bill, claiming that exposing contractors to US laws would interfere with national security. It's a metaphor for the entire Administration.
In searching for reactions among bloggers I came across this compilation from Comments from Left Field. There we read that Conservative Andrew Sullivan now uses the term "fascist" to describe the Bush/Cheney regime:
When conservatives subvert the rule of law ... to enable torture, and when only one man gets to decide who gets detained and tortured, they are no longer conservatives. They are fascists. And they need not just to be defeated; they need to be repudiated.
Though I've resisted using the term, I think Sullivan is right on both counts. It is an ugly, unwanted truth, but we have to face this.
Readers of Firedoglake know I believe impeachment is the logical cure for the dangerous cancer eating its way through our Constitutional system. Impeachment is the Constitutional remedy the Founders provided for exactly this disease. It should be attempted even if it fails, because it's the right thing to do, and because we owe it to those who follow to say we tried and did not submit to this wrecking crew without a struggle.
Photo: White House Press Secretary, Dana Perino; AP Photo/Ron Edmonds.
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2 Zeds in one day. Morning Scarecrow.
Wonder what the Friday news dump is this week.?
I’m going to hear Edwards tonite. Can’t wait
Sadly, it (impeachment) won’t happen, eh, Scarecrow…
I learn so much here!
-MS
Good morning Scarecrow. Thanks for helping us understand these criminals better.
Interesting to see how far Sullivan goes in his remarks.
We’ve gone way past impeachment right to war crimes prosecutions on this issue. People were executed after World War II for doing these things.
This blog had been tracking the fascist activities of Bushco for quite some time
http://www.america-weeps.blogspot.com/
Good Morning, Scarecrow!
When are we gonna impeach all ready!?
If we as a nation allow these arrogant and arbitrary acts to go unpunished we are truly a fascist state. Where will you be when they come for you?
Actually this reminds me of East Germany after WWII.
Dean’s idea of extending the statute of limitations is intriguing. Wonder how that would play out. Is this within the power of Congress?
I mean some theoretical Congress that had not already “lost its institutional pride,” to quote JD.
Good morning everyone. Any good news out there? I’m flexible.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 7
KGC,
The site which you linked to seems overly pessimistic, and, hopefully, unlikely in the extreme. How much stock do you put in what’s written there?
Me, not so much…
-MS
Good news, hm. Well, Craig says he’s definitely going to stay in the Senate. We can have some fun with that.
Party of family values!
egregious @ 10
He’s thinking about the courts. There have been several stories in the last few months in which those involved in war crimes, kidnapping, torture, causing people to “disappear” in other countries — like Argentina — years ago, are finally brought to justice. And other countries agree to extradite those who fled. Outrages of this type are not forgotten.
One of these days there will be an Iraqi equivalent of Simon Wiesenthal; the magnitude may be different, but the principles and the rage and the need for justice and closure are all present. We will be reading about this for decades.
Today is, “I feel completely helpless as an individual” day.
In Europe, they call for a national strike and millions participate.
The only place that more than 110k people show to is the Big House.
This is the sad state I (we) live in.
*****Crying for action, sobbing because it is not happening.******
Scarecrow @ 11
I don’t know if this is “good” news but look like the Mega Embassy is not going to be done on time. What strikes me is this picture that says “No Drinking While Armed”. I guess I though no one could drink booze in Iraq but it must just apply to “the troops”.
egregious @ 13
I was wondering if Craig, upon hearing that his guilty plea could not be withdrawn, starting stamping his feet. just a thought.
Scarecrow @ 17
You are confusing him with the Commander if Chief.
yes. and also because, imo, it’s important to show that a significant portion of the country repudiate this administration. i hate the idea that american find this lawlessness acceptable.
oh, and after impeachment? trials for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Mornin’ Scarecrow
Well I scoured the internet and came up with some good news…. slim pickings out there though
http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi.....ableenergy
At least it is a start.
Yooo, Sully!
“Welcome to the party, pal!”
Reality-based observers have known this for a while.
raven @ 16
The stories I’ve seen said there are “electrical problems.” I’ll bet. I think the Administration would prefer not having a big ceremony at this time about the symbol of America’s massive presence. My guess is they’d prefer not to draw attention to the huge embassy while the Iraqis are screaming to try Blackwater.
With a how-can-you-tell-it’s-there Kongress and a SCOTUS that can’t constitutionally stop the Executive on its own, we’re under a de facto dictatorship. Really.
Hope we make it to 1/09 relatively intact.
Raven@16
Embassies are considered part of the Country that they represent. When I was in Mogadishu, we had to go to the US Embassy there to drink (Which, of course, we did)
selise @ 19
You are absolutely right selise, WE have to hold BushCo responsible, how else can we regain the respect of the world?!
Scarecrow @ 14
Wow I just had a great flight of fancy. Can you imagine, in a few years, the bush family (like the Pinochets) being arrested and thrown in the pokey. Jen, not Jen and Laura in orange jump suits. Damn, maybe I will have to live a little longer just to see that.
Good Morning Scarecrow et al.
Glenn had a sobering reaction to the NYT piece yesterday. He doesn’t sound too hopeful.
I listened to Dean in a conference call last night hosted by the SoCal ACLU where he said some of the same thing. He sounded more optimistic than I feel. I did get to ask him at the very end if he thought that Abu, Addington, Yoo et al would ever be brought before the world court and answer for their war crimes. He said that they probably ought not plan vacations abroad just like Rummy.
Maybe we can chip in and send them on an all expense paid vacation to hhhhhhmmmmmmm Holland?
Good Morning all
Im off to The John Campbell Folk School in NC for a craft show. No computer going with me. I so desperately need a break from this Bad news and no fighting back from our Reps.
scarecrow,
you are soooo right. impeach. knock-down, bloody knuckles, full-on. go for it!
diogenes @ 21
Sullivan has been there for a while. He’s one of those “genuine” conservatives who realized too late how truly radical this regime is. Bruce Fein, John Dean, et al.
There was a panel at Yearly Kos of former Republicans — they were the most passionate about opposing ths regime — one described it as an AA meeting.
KGC,
The site which you linked to seems overly pessimistic, and, hopefully, unlikely in the extreme. How much stock do you put in what’s written there?
Me, not so much…
-MS
When it first came to my attention about a year ago it made me very uncomfortable to read it
and I thought that can’t be but as time goes on and more and more comes out …
now I just hope it is overly pessimistic
but it is a good record of all the things going on
Elliott @ 25
or have respect for ourselves.
Scarecrow, another brilliant and pertinent post. If only the Democrats had the balls to follow through with Dean’s suggestion for extending the statute of limitations for these criminal executive actions! But, as long as we have Pat “Pink Tutu” Leahy in charge of the Judicial Commitee, we have no hope. He’s the Democratic version of Arlen Specter — he talks a good game and then he folds before authority. If only he and the rest of the Democrats had the smarts and the cojones of Russ Feingold (or the late Paul Wellstone), America would be a much better place.
nomolos @ 26
I wasn’t aware the rest of the family had done anything illegal, except for drinking in Argentina or something. I wonder what Laura thinks about all this. I’m sure Barney is appalled.
radlib1 @ 33
Folding before blackmail maybe? When the history is written about these dark times in America it will not be the excesses of the bushies but the failures of the Congress that are going to be thought most troublesome.
RevDeb @ 27
Reminds me that according to e-mails, ACLU is very concerned about what may emerge on the FISA bill — Hoyer and Immanuel are in charge, and ACLU has been cut out. It could be another cave.
“wasn’t aware the rest of the family had done anything illegal, except for drinking in Argentina or something. I wonder what Laura thinks about all this. I’m sure Barney is appalled.”
Yesterday, Huffington Post had a provocative piece on Jen. If it’s to be believed (don’t recall who the interviewer was) she may have turned quite a corner. Anyone else see this?
-MS
nonplussed @ 24
I have some great photo’s of Bunkers Bunker in Saigon, of course we didn’t have to got there to drink!
Scarecrow @ 34
The widow and five children of General Augusto Pinochet have been arrested on corruption charges related to US accounts controlled by the late military ruler of Chile.
Arturo Herrera, police director, said most had been arrested, including Pinochet’s widow Lucia Hiriart, 84, and his grown children.
All told, 23 people were charged on Thursday by a judge in an investigation into millions of dollars allegedly diverted from the government.
Hi, snowbird (if you’ve not left yet) -
Say “Hello” to JCC for me. Have a safe trip and hope sales are good for you. We’ll have to get caught up on what you’re throwing/building some day soon………..and do the get-together thingie as well.
Failure?, I think not. “Deliberate refusal” is more accurate. The current administration needs the contractors to remain as a silent partner. 185,000 contractors vs. 165,000 military personnel. Imagine if we replaced contractors with military?, The American public would not support this war with 350,000 troops in Iraq and would demand withdrawal and end funding of the Neocon imperialism nightmare. IMO.
Well, CNN thinks we should ask whether the Dems are unpatriotic because some are not wearing flag lapel pins. So they trot out Linda Chavez, Repub hack, to say how offended Americans are.
We’re torturing people, but we’re wearing the flag, so it’s okay. *sigh*
snowbird42 @ 28
oooo, tell us all about it when you get back. I’ve considered going there for a course for years and years. Have a great time.
Scarecrow @ 36
what does pelosi have to say? is she going to do the bullshit kabuki again to provide cover for the procedural fuckery or is she going to do something about it? she could be talking to the ACLU or telling us the truth. hard for me to figure that she’s not part of it, if all she does is give us enough feel good bs to mask some of the pain of what is being done.
Waccamaw @ 40
Had to have another cup o coffee first. Yes, lets have a get together in Asheville of all pups in the area.
And thanks, I love this show. Music, art and contra dancing.
Scarecrow @ 42
Because, it’s all about the window dressing right?
IMHO, impeachment, though a good thing, is neither necessary nor sufficient. These bastards must be brought to justice, and presidential candidates must pledge to prosecute thesse crimes to the fullest extent of the law, if elected. No ifs, no ands, no buts. I don’t want to hear about putting all this behind us and moving on.
Every Republican president since Eisenhower has done this shit, eithr as a perpetrator (Nixon, Reagan, Bush-43) or as an accessory after the fact via pardons (Ford, Bush-41, and Bush-43). Enough! This time there must be consequences, and presidential candidates must take the pledge to prosecute.
These are criminal matters of the highest order, and the president of the United States is this nation’s highest law enforcement officer. They owe it to the American people to put a stop to this stuff and to restore our national dignity by letting the world know that the American people don’t tolerate this shit. INOKIYAR!
i got back a canned email from my Rep John Tierney which said he thought impeachment would tie up the country and nothing would get done
snowbird42 @ 45
Snowbird, I like your work. My wife is a fanatic gardener and she makes flower and vegetable handbags from vintage fabric. We’ll have to cruise up to Asheville soon but , man, those hotel prices are staggering!
Scarecrow -
Watching re-run of yesterday’s hearing on Iraq corruption on C-Span 2. Same song, Dog knows which verse wrt State Department claiming they can’t talk about anything unless it’s in closed session.
Much as I love Mr. Henry, his threats that the committee is going to have a set-to with rice over this secrecy issue has become “all sound and fury, signifying nothing”.
Must remember blood pressure…….must remember blood pressure….must……….
Scarecrow @ 42
I said downstairs that that’s exactly what was going to happen. :-(
Kathryn in MA @ 48
Doesn’t seem like all that bad of a “canned” email. Write Saxby Chambliss sometime for laughs.
Good morning Scarecrow. I am so glad to see you using the F-word. A few weeks ago the blinders fell off for me. I stopped saying that it’s “almost fascist” and started calling it for what it is. I notice that it shocks people who don’t know me and have decided shock is good. Folks have to wake up to this situation–we live under a fascist administration.
I’m hoping the ugly word will help folks to wonder if they’re lack of responsiveness is the sign of being a “good American” (I’d put the word German in before American with a line through it, but can’t seem to do that…..)
Excellent post Scarecrow - I always appreciate your work. Regarding Dem lack of action, I think there’s only one way can judge it at this point. It’s so patently lame, I can only hope that it’s a rope-a-dope strategy until BushCo vacates the WH and can no longer pardon people. I’m sure he and his lawyers will issue the most brazen and sweeping set of pardons in history (his Dad took the first steps). But that doesn’t mean that the Dems can’t follow up in a new administration.
This is how I think on a good day, I can be very cynical also, and I realize we won’t know for over 18 months. If they pass up follow up and allow their “colleagues” to walk in a display of “bipartisanship” foot tapping, then all bets are off and the progressive community will have to elsewhere completely. I like the idea of better Dems and primary challenges, but there is clearly an insidious process in Washington that compromises even those we’ve endorsed and contributed to.
I’m pleased this issue has gotten the minor traction it has. The Dems do need some support from the reporters on this. I’ll be interested to see how far the media push, or if it’s just another flavor-of-the-day. You know, torture. UNBELIEVABLE!
“i got back a canned email from my Rep John Tierney which said he thought impeachment would tie up the country and nothing would get done” Kathy
like all the stuff they are getting done now?
The msm supports torture as evidenced by the Russert question to the Democratic candidates. And others who supported the theme that torture to save US is just fine.
And who can forget the Mayor of Looneyville saying if his mom went to eyerack he would want Blackwater guarding her
Someone above mentioned this all constitutes war crimes, the same war crimes in fact that we executed Japanese and German military leaders for after WWII…well, doesn’t this explain Cheney and W. Bush buying those ranches in Paraquay, since that country allows no extradition? Just in case…
this is what our elected officials don’t get — or they get, but lack the will to act on — about impeachment:
if we don’t use it now, then we will never use it; every administration after this one will get a free pass, and thus our government will become permanently warped.
this is not merely a question of waiting for jan. 09 and life will return to normal — this is the end of our government as we know it, replaced by some sort of potemkin version, where the three branches seem to be co-equal but everyone knows they’re not.
the founding fathers were depending on the self-interest of the other branches to keep the executive in check. they could not accept that the congress and judiciary would be content to be coopted, as the roman senate was in the time of the emperors, into mere puppets.
this is the stain that attaches to this democratic congress, and it won’t wash off.
I honestly can’t think of a reasonable alternative to impeachment. Whats the option?
I think the dems are so excited about the upcoming election, they are forgetting their job.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 54
Raven and Kathrine GC - i’m sending him Scarecrow’s post as a response.
Kathryn in MA @ 58
Light em up!
Quick link to Spotlight this particular post.
Any volunteers to explain what Spotlight is and how it works? Thanks.
Toby Wollin @ 46
Potemkin.
Scarecrow @ 42
Linda Chavez? The one that founds think tanks to employ family members and nothing ever comes from the think tanks? That Linda Chavez?
moondancer @ 57
And they aren’t doing a very good job at that. Working on the next elections must be the work they are referring to when they say impeachment would tie things up too much. I might raise my opinion of this congress a smidgeon if they manage to override the SCHIP veto. If they do that, then they might suddenly see that they DO have some power. If they don’t, they might as well pack their bags and go home now. Nothing they are doing is slowing down this train wreck.
Good morning scarecrow, good post, as always. I’m a faithful lurker here at the lake, but once in a while I’ll offer my two cents. I used to think impeachment was the cure. But I’ve since come to the conclusion that impeachment is much too light; what is needed are trials [edited by Moderator]. There are too many cockroaches involved in this, impeachment wouldn’t touch them all.
[Mod: Please, no references to violence against public officials, thanks]
From Seymour Hersh via Huffington Post: When I asked Hersh who wants to bomb Iran, he said, “Ironically there is a lot of pressure coming from Democrats. Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Edwards have all said we cannot have a nuclear-armed Iran. Clearly the pressure from Democrats is a reflection of - we might as well say it - Israeli and Jewish input.” He added the obvious: “a lot of money comes to the Democratic campaigns” from Jewish contributors.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....67229.html
I’m sick & tired of the manipulation, demonizing, and lying about Iranian nuclear capabilities. The real fear is of the Iranian bourse trading only in euros and eventual refusal of petro U.S. dollars and the inevitability of OPEC following suit. The fear is of the demise of the hegemony of the US dollar and the world no longer funding of US debt and wars. “Iran said it would soon refuse to accept dollars for its oil exports, preferring to be paid in a “more credible currency”…It already receives 65pc of payments in euros and 20pc in yen, but insisted that the remaining 15pc in dollars entailed an excessive risk of devaluation….However, if a number of OPEC suppliers began demand long-term futures contracts in euros instead of dollars, this would have an impact over time
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/mon.....iet103.xml
Our legislators wearing flag pins drives me up a wall. Wearing one’s patriotism or religion on one’s sleeve or lapel or car bumper falls immediately makes me think he/she doth profess too much. Smells phoney.
Speaking of bumper stickers, saw one in a southern state recently that said “I (heart) my wife”. Gag.
Yes, what WILL the dems do? Will they shake their fists and stomp their feet, or hold their breath until they turn blue? Maybe a combination of all three? Truly pathetic jellyfish.
wigwam — I agree with the need for followup justice. My immediate concern is just getting these thugs out of office. Nothing else useful can happen until that’s done. But lots of harm can/will be done every day they remain.
I’ve been advocating prepaid trips to The Hague for all of these bastards for ages. But I do like the way John Dean is thinking. Hopefully after January 20, 2009 our DC friends will suddenly grow some courage to do the right thing. I am not betting on that happening.
raven -
How far are you from Aville? If you’re willing to “light” an hour west of there, I have a spare bed for free.
Won’t be there much ’til around Christmas time but would love to have the two of you visit thereafter.
We may really be at the point where we’ll only be giving CPR to a cadaver.
This nation is decaying in front of our eyes.
-GSD
my bold.
well, congress could stop passing stupid dangerous laws - like the fisa changes, like the mca, like the anti-iran bills…. that wouldn’t require impeachment… that would require a functioning democratic party within congress.
Andrew Sullivan (who is often on Chris Matthews Sunday program) has been deeply concerned about the Bush administration’s disregard for the law, our constitution, and congress for quite some time.
Glad to hear Wolf Blitzer asked some tough questions.
Waccamaw @ 69
We’re in Athens, just a couple hour drive. We may give it a whirl. We have friends in Black Mountain too, crazy artists. . .you know what I mean!
it’s increasingly obvious — at least it is to me — that EVERYONE in washington is playacting. the president accepts the role of the idiot manipulated by his handlers, while the dems take as a given that they are seen as merely intimidated, or simply scared.
but what everyone truly is is COMPLICIT.
I also believe at this moment in time the most crushing matter that the nation needs to wrestle with is whether or not a Senator is wearing a fucking lapel pin.
-GSD
What are we going to do about it, America?
RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY BITCHES!!!!!!
.
GSD @ 76
Chuck Toad of NBC news just admitted this story was sourced from Drudge and completely taken out of context…but he was very proud
whereas I am appalled
Scarecrow @ 67
Do you think we’ll EVER get Bush & Cheney to the Impeachment Table?
I’m actually starting to lose hope here.
Makes me long for the old days when impeachment was actually an option. Hand wringing and running out the clock are no substitute for impeaching a truly lawless administration.
raven @ 73
Black Mountain, the old haven of the Bauhaus, is a place I’d to visit.
selise @ 72
True. There’s no excuse for their caving, but it’s all part of the sickness that emanates from the WH.
We are going to put Bushie in prison. Very few Americans realize he is the only president in our history who has been in jail. He’s been before. He can go again.
raven -
Well, shucks! Black Mountain is closer; if you decide to do it, maybe snowbird and I could meet up with you guys in the big town…..there’s so much wizard artsy stuff to do there.
RockPaperScizzors @ 64
Here is Sy Hersh on Democracy Now the other day saying similar things.
http://verbal.democracynow.org.....ying_plans
I read everything I can get my eyes on that Flynt Leverett writes. He was in the first three years of the Bush administration and quit due to the invasion of Iraq and the Bush administrations stand on Iran. He is a middle east expert now at the New America Foundation
Here are a few of this articles
http://www.cfr.org/publication/10326/
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01.....erett.html
http://www.newamerica.net/pres.....n_and_iraq
My sense is that once you really open up any investigation about the activities of the “US Government” and let it go where the facts lead… it will take you to some very ugly places and there you will see skeletons of dems, republicans, media people… the whole fabric of this cobbled together fake democracy will unfold.
We have seen a testing of the waters.. how far undemocratic things can be pushed on us… how much fascism can be done and no outcry will ensue.
We have seen how the American democracy is like the frog in the water brought to the boil of fascism.
When a crack in the wall opens up. the patcher comes along to close it up. Little is revealed on the dark side.
Our system seems increasingly immune to self correction. We have laws which can help and new laws which only make things worse.
We live in the brave new world.
Great post Mr Crow.
ironranger @ 66
I live in an area where it is “cool” to wear one’s religion on one’s bumper sticker. Yes, we do raise sheep in the area. (There are actually more goats than sheep in the pastures.) I was grossed out the other day as I was running around looking for items for an exhibit. I wandered into a few cutesy gift shops and decided that the brainwashing starts with the sickly incense that they pollute the air with.
Obama reportedly said he noticed people with the lapel pins were acting very patriotic.
Bang!
Pow!
That is an attack right at the heart of those brain-dead, flag waving morans!
-GSD
Waccamaw @ 83
Sound cool, let’s keep it in mind.
John Forde @ 83
There’s absolutely zero chance of Bush, Cheney, or any high official going to prison.
Elliott @ 79
Ever watch the e-mail responses to Cafferty file questions? It’s not a representative sample, but it’s pretty clear that large numbers of the public are thoroughly disgusted. And I’ve watched it intensify — accelerate — over the last few months. People are really fed up, both with Bush and the Congress/Dems for not doing enough about it. I think a tough stance against the regime would be greeted with huge, passionate support. People have had enough. JMO.
It almost feels like a dirty social experiment to see how many crimes and lies and hypocracy and transfer of wealth and power can take place without anything happening.
In fact based on the media it seems like they want us to accept it with a smile on our faces and bobble our head in agreement with the “pundits” and “journalists”.