The revelation — no, reminder — that the Bush Administration reauthorized torture after calling it “abhorrent,” lied about it, and hid behind secret legal opinions issued by Alberto Gonzales’ Justice Department continues to elicit public revulsion.
And the questions everyone keeps avoiding are once again staring America in the face: What are we going to do about it, America? How long are we going to allow this regime to taunt us, to disgrace our nation, to trash every legal and moral principle upon which our country was founded?
John Dean, appearing on Countdown, suggested we should at least extend the statute of limitations another five years, so that those responsible for committing crimes during this regime could be brought to justice. That’s a start, but more is needed.
Yesterday, Democrats demanded to see all DoJ opinions on interrogation since 2004. They’re right to ask, and the Administration will again refuse. What then? Democrats already gave up on the idea of holding up the AG nomination until the DoJ surrenders other documents. Unwilling to use Congress’ contempt powers, how will they enforce their “demands” now?
Last night we watched evasions from Dana Perino and Fran Townsend [C&L has video] — kudos to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer for asking several good questions that Townsend could/would not answer. The WH officials were obviously shaken (Perino) and angry (Townsend) at having to do the Administration’s dirty work; neither looked comfortable. The Administration knows it has been caught lying about something Americans care about, something that defines who we are — or thought we were.
In another ongoing saga of Administration lawlessness, the State and Justice Departments were scrambling to cover their failure to pursue criminal investigations of any contractors involving in killing Iraqis. However, sending an FBI team to look into the recent Blackwater shootings presumes there is some law that applies when American contractors kill Iraqis in Iraq. There may not be. They’ve known that since 2003 but done nothing about it. So yesterday, the House passed a bill to apply US laws to all such contractors. Even that cannot ensure accountability if the Administration doesn’t follow the law:
“At the end of the day, the execution of this depends not on Congress but the executive branch,” said Peter W. Singer, a senior fellow at Brookings Institute, who has followed the contractor issue closely. He said that by some accounts as many as 20 potential criminal cases involving contractors have been referred to the Justice Department, but that none were pursued. “They have disappeared into a black hole,” he said. . . .
[Scott Horton, a human rights lawyer who has been heavily involved in efforts to develop legislation that would hold contractors accountable,] . . . expressed frustration that officials had not been more proactive in prosecuting crimes in Iraq that the legal situation remains gray. “When we have got a contractor city say of 180,000 people and there hasn’t been a completed prosecution of anybody coming out of Iraq, not one,” he said. “What sort of city in America would be like that, where no one is prosecuted for anything for three years? It’s unthinkable.”
Instead of embracing a way out, the WH opposes the bill, claiming that exposing contractors to US laws would interfere with national security. It’s a metaphor for the entire Administration.
In searching for reactions among bloggers I came across this compilation from Comments from Left Field. There we read that Conservative Andrew Sullivan now uses the term “fascist” to describe the Bush/Cheney regime:
When conservatives subvert the rule of law … to enable torture, and when only one man gets to decide who gets detained and tortured, they are no longer conservatives. They are fascists. And they need not just to be defeated; they need to be repudiated.
Though I’ve resisted using the term, I think Sullivan is right on both counts. It is an ugly, unwanted truth, but we have to face this.
Readers of Firedoglake know I believe impeachment is the logical cure for the dangerous cancer eating its way through our Constitutional system. Impeachment is the Constitutional remedy the Founders provided for exactly this disease. It should be attempted even if it fails, because it’s the right thing to do, and because we owe it to those who follow to say we tried and did not submit to this wrecking crew without a struggle.
Photo: White House Press Secretary, Dana Perino; AP Photo/Ron Edmonds.



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2 Zeds in one day. Morning Scarecrow.
Wonder what the Friday news dump is this week.?
I’m going to hear Edwards tonite. Can’t wait
Sadly, it (impeachment) won’t happen, eh, Scarecrow…
I learn so much here!
-MS
Good morning Scarecrow. Thanks for helping us understand these criminals better.
Interesting to see how far Sullivan goes in his remarks.
We’ve gone way past impeachment right to war crimes prosecutions on this issue. People were executed after World War II for doing these things.
This blog had been tracking the fascist activities of Bushco for quite some time
http://www.america-weeps.blogspot.com/
Good Morning, Scarecrow!
When are we gonna impeach all ready!?
If we as a nation allow these arrogant and arbitrary acts to go unpunished we are truly a fascist state. Where will you be when they come for you?
Actually this reminds me of East Germany after WWII.
Dean’s idea of extending the statute of limitations is intriguing. Wonder how that would play out. Is this within the power of Congress?
I mean some theoretical Congress that had not already “lost its institutional pride,” to quote JD.
Good morning everyone. Any good news out there? I’m flexible.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 7
KGC,
The site which you linked to seems overly pessimistic, and, hopefully, unlikely in the extreme. How much stock do you put in what’s written there?
Me, not so much…
-MS
Good news, hm. Well, Craig says he’s definitely going to stay in the Senate. We can have some fun with that.
Party of family values!
egregious @ 10
He’s thinking about the courts. There have been several stories in the last few months in which those involved in war crimes, kidnapping, torture, causing people to “disappear” in other countries — like Argentina — years ago, are finally brought to justice. And other countries agree to extradite those who fled. Outrages of this type are not forgotten.
One of these days there will be an Iraqi equivalent of Simon Wiesenthal; the magnitude may be different, but the principles and the rage and the need for justice and closure are all present. We will be reading about this for decades.
Today is, “I feel completely helpless as an individual” day.
In Europe, they call for a national strike and millions participate.
The only place that more than 110k people show to is the Big House.
This is the sad state I (we) live in.
*****Crying for action, sobbing because it is not happening.******
Scarecrow @ 11
I don’t know if this is “good” news but look like the Mega Embassy is not going to be done on time. What strikes me is this picture that says “No Drinking While Armed”. I guess I though no one could drink booze in Iraq but it must just apply to “the troops”.
egregious @ 13
I was wondering if Craig, upon hearing that his guilty plea could not be withdrawn, starting stamping his feet. just a thought.
Scarecrow @ 17
You are confusing him with the Commander if Chief.
yes. and also because, imo, it’s important to show that a significant portion of the country repudiate this administration. i hate the idea that american find this lawlessness acceptable.
oh, and after impeachment? trials for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Mornin’ Scarecrow
Well I scoured the internet and came up with some good news…. slim pickings out there though
http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi…..ableenergy
At least it is a start.
Yooo, Sully!
“Welcome to the party, pal!”
Reality-based observers have known this for a while.
raven @ 16
The stories I’ve seen said there are “electrical problems.” I’ll bet. I think the Administration would prefer not having a big ceremony at this time about the symbol of America’s massive presence. My guess is they’d prefer not to draw attention to the huge embassy while the Iraqis are screaming to try Blackwater.
With a how-can-you-tell-it’s-there Kongress and a SCOTUS that can’t constitutionally stop the Executive on its own, we’re under a de facto dictatorship. Really.
Hope we make it to 1/09 relatively intact.
Raven@16
Embassies are considered part of the Country that they represent. When I was in Mogadishu, we had to go to the US Embassy there to drink (Which, of course, we did)
selise @ 19
You are absolutely right selise, WE have to hold BushCo responsible, how else can we regain the respect of the world?!
Scarecrow @ 14
Wow I just had a great flight of fancy. Can you imagine, in a few years, the bush family (like the Pinochets) being arrested and thrown in the pokey. Jen, not Jen and Laura in orange jump suits. Damn, maybe I will have to live a little longer just to see that.
Good Morning Scarecrow et al.
Glenn had a sobering reaction to the NYT piece yesterday. He doesn’t sound too hopeful.
I listened to Dean in a conference call last night hosted by the SoCal ACLU where he said some of the same thing. He sounded more optimistic than I feel. I did get to ask him at the very end if he thought that Abu, Addington, Yoo et al would ever be brought before the world court and answer for their war crimes. He said that they probably ought not plan vacations abroad just like Rummy.
Maybe we can chip in and send them on an all expense paid vacation to hhhhhhmmmmmmm Holland?
Good Morning all
Im off to The John Campbell Folk School in NC for a craft show. No computer going with me. I so desperately need a break from this Bad news and no fighting back from our Reps.
scarecrow,
you are soooo right. impeach. knock-down, bloody knuckles, full-on. go for it!
diogenes @ 21
Sullivan has been there for a while. He’s one of those “genuine” conservatives who realized too late how truly radical this regime is. Bruce Fein, John Dean, et al.
There was a panel at Yearly Kos of former Republicans — they were the most passionate about opposing ths regime — one described it as an AA meeting.
KGC,
The site which you linked to seems overly pessimistic, and, hopefully, unlikely in the extreme. How much stock do you put in what’s written there?
Me, not so much…
-MS
When it first came to my attention about a year ago it made me very uncomfortable to read it
and I thought that can’t be but as time goes on and more and more comes out …
now I just hope it is overly pessimistic
but it is a good record of all the things going on
Elliott @ 25
or have respect for ourselves.
Scarecrow, another brilliant and pertinent post. If only the Democrats had the balls to follow through with Dean’s suggestion for extending the statute of limitations for these criminal executive actions! But, as long as we have Pat “Pink Tutu” Leahy in charge of the Judicial Commitee, we have no hope. He’s the Democratic version of Arlen Specter — he talks a good game and then he folds before authority. If only he and the rest of the Democrats had the smarts and the cojones of Russ Feingold (or the late Paul Wellstone), America would be a much better place.
nomolos @ 26
I wasn’t aware the rest of the family had done anything illegal, except for drinking in Argentina or something. I wonder what Laura thinks about all this. I’m sure Barney is appalled.
radlib1 @ 33
Folding before blackmail maybe? When the history is written about these dark times in America it will not be the excesses of the bushies but the failures of the Congress that are going to be thought most troublesome.
RevDeb @ 27
Reminds me that according to e-mails, ACLU is very concerned about what may emerge on the FISA bill — Hoyer and Immanuel are in charge, and ACLU has been cut out. It could be another cave.
“wasn’t aware the rest of the family had done anything illegal, except for drinking in Argentina or something. I wonder what Laura thinks about all this. I’m sure Barney is appalled.”
Yesterday, Huffington Post had a provocative piece on Jen. If it’s to be believed (don’t recall who the interviewer was) she may have turned quite a corner. Anyone else see this?
-MS
nonplussed @ 24
I have some great photo’s of Bunkers Bunker in Saigon, of course we didn’t have to got there to drink!
Scarecrow @ 34
The widow and five children of General Augusto Pinochet have been arrested on corruption charges related to US accounts controlled by the late military ruler of Chile.
Arturo Herrera, police director, said most had been arrested, including Pinochet’s widow Lucia Hiriart, 84, and his grown children.
All told, 23 people were charged on Thursday by a judge in an investigation into millions of dollars allegedly diverted from the government.
Hi, snowbird (if you’ve not left yet) -
Say “Hello” to JCC for me. Have a safe trip and hope sales are good for you. We’ll have to get caught up on what you’re throwing/building some day soon………..and do the get-together thingie as well.
Failure?, I think not. “Deliberate refusal” is more accurate. The current administration needs the contractors to remain as a silent partner. 185,000 contractors vs. 165,000 military personnel. Imagine if we replaced contractors with military?, The American public would not support this war with 350,000 troops in Iraq and would demand withdrawal and end funding of the Neocon imperialism nightmare. IMO.
Well, CNN thinks we should ask whether the Dems are unpatriotic because some are not wearing flag lapel pins. So they trot out Linda Chavez, Repub hack, to say how offended Americans are.
We’re torturing people, but we’re wearing the flag, so it’s okay. *sigh*
snowbird42 @ 28
oooo, tell us all about it when you get back. I’ve considered going there for a course for years and years. Have a great time.
Scarecrow @ 36
what does pelosi have to say? is she going to do the bullshit kabuki again to provide cover for the procedural fuckery or is she going to do something about it? she could be talking to the ACLU or telling us the truth. hard for me to figure that she’s not part of it, if all she does is give us enough feel good bs to mask some of the pain of what is being done.
Waccamaw @ 40
Had to have another cup o coffee first. Yes, lets have a get together in Asheville of all pups in the area.
And thanks, I love this show. Music, art and contra dancing.
Scarecrow @ 42
Because, it’s all about the window dressing right?
IMHO, impeachment, though a good thing, is neither necessary nor sufficient. These bastards must be brought to justice, and presidential candidates must pledge to prosecute thesse crimes to the fullest extent of the law, if elected. No ifs, no ands, no buts. I don’t want to hear about putting all this behind us and moving on.
Every Republican president since Eisenhower has done this shit, eithr as a perpetrator (Nixon, Reagan, Bush-43) or as an accessory after the fact via pardons (Ford, Bush-41, and Bush-43). Enough! This time there must be consequences, and presidential candidates must take the pledge to prosecute.
These are criminal matters of the highest order, and the president of the United States is this nation’s highest law enforcement officer. They owe it to the American people to put a stop to this stuff and to restore our national dignity by letting the world know that the American people don’t tolerate this shit. INOKIYAR!
i got back a canned email from my Rep John Tierney which said he thought impeachment would tie up the country and nothing would get done
snowbird42 @ 45
Snowbird, I like your work. My wife is a fanatic gardener and she makes flower and vegetable handbags from vintage fabric. We’ll have to cruise up to Asheville soon but , man, those hotel prices are staggering!
Scarecrow -
Watching re-run of yesterday’s hearing on Iraq corruption on C-Span 2. Same song, Dog knows which verse wrt State Department claiming they can’t talk about anything unless it’s in closed session.
Much as I love Mr. Henry, his threats that the committee is going to have a set-to with rice over this secrecy issue has become “all sound and fury, signifying nothing”.
Must remember blood pressure…….must remember blood pressure….must……….
Scarecrow @ 42
I said downstairs that that’s exactly what was going to happen. :-(
Kathryn in MA @ 48
Doesn’t seem like all that bad of a “canned” email. Write Saxby Chambliss sometime for laughs.
Good morning Scarecrow. I am so glad to see you using the F-word. A few weeks ago the blinders fell off for me. I stopped saying that it’s “almost fascist” and started calling it for what it is. I notice that it shocks people who don’t know me and have decided shock is good. Folks have to wake up to this situation–we live under a fascist administration.
I’m hoping the ugly word will help folks to wonder if they’re lack of responsiveness is the sign of being a “good American” (I’d put the word German in before American with a line through it, but can’t seem to do that…..)
Excellent post Scarecrow – I always appreciate your work. Regarding Dem lack of action, I think there’s only one way can judge it at this point. It’s so patently lame, I can only hope that it’s a rope-a-dope strategy until BushCo vacates the WH and can no longer pardon people. I’m sure he and his lawyers will issue the most brazen and sweeping set of pardons in history (his Dad took the first steps). But that doesn’t mean that the Dems can’t follow up in a new administration.
This is how I think on a good day, I can be very cynical also, and I realize we won’t know for over 18 months. If they pass up follow up and allow their “colleagues” to walk in a display of “bipartisanship” foot tapping, then all bets are off and the progressive community will have to elsewhere completely. I like the idea of better Dems and primary challenges, but there is clearly an insidious process in Washington that compromises even those we’ve endorsed and contributed to.
I’m pleased this issue has gotten the minor traction it has. The Dems do need some support from the reporters on this. I’ll be interested to see how far the media push, or if it’s just another flavor-of-the-day. You know, torture. UNBELIEVABLE!
“i got back a canned email from my Rep John Tierney which said he thought impeachment would tie up the country and nothing would get done” Kathy
like all the stuff they are getting done now?
The msm supports torture as evidenced by the Russert question to the Democratic candidates. And others who supported the theme that torture to save US is just fine.
And who can forget the Mayor of Looneyville saying if his mom went to eyerack he would want Blackwater guarding her
Someone above mentioned this all constitutes war crimes, the same war crimes in fact that we executed Japanese and German military leaders for after WWII…well, doesn’t this explain Cheney and W. Bush buying those ranches in Paraquay, since that country allows no extradition? Just in case…
this is what our elected officials don’t get — or they get, but lack the will to act on — about impeachment:
if we don’t use it now, then we will never use it; every administration after this one will get a free pass, and thus our government will become permanently warped.
this is not merely a question of waiting for jan. 09 and life will return to normal — this is the end of our government as we know it, replaced by some sort of potemkin version, where the three branches seem to be co-equal but everyone knows they’re not.
the founding fathers were depending on the self-interest of the other branches to keep the executive in check. they could not accept that the congress and judiciary would be content to be coopted, as the roman senate was in the time of the emperors, into mere puppets.
this is the stain that attaches to this democratic congress, and it won’t wash off.
I honestly can’t think of a reasonable alternative to impeachment. Whats the option?
I think the dems are so excited about the upcoming election, they are forgetting their job.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 54
Raven and Kathrine GC – i’m sending him Scarecrow’s post as a response.
Kathryn in MA @ 58
Light em up!
Quick link to Spotlight this particular post.
Any volunteers to explain what Spotlight is and how it works? Thanks.
Toby Wollin @ 46
Potemkin.
Scarecrow @ 42
Linda Chavez? The one that founds think tanks to employ family members and nothing ever comes from the think tanks? That Linda Chavez?
moondancer @ 57
And they aren’t doing a very good job at that. Working on the next elections must be the work they are referring to when they say impeachment would tie things up too much. I might raise my opinion of this congress a smidgeon if they manage to override the SCHIP veto. If they do that, then they might suddenly see that they DO have some power. If they don’t, they might as well pack their bags and go home now. Nothing they are doing is slowing down this train wreck.
Good morning scarecrow, good post, as always. I’m a faithful lurker here at the lake, but once in a while I’ll offer my two cents. I used to think impeachment was the cure. But I’ve since come to the conclusion that impeachment is much too light; what is needed are trials [edited by Moderator]. There are too many cockroaches involved in this, impeachment wouldn’t touch them all.
[Mod: Please, no references to violence against public officials, thanks]
From Seymour Hersh via Huffington Post: When I asked Hersh who wants to bomb Iran, he said, “Ironically there is a lot of pressure coming from Democrats. Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Edwards have all said we cannot have a nuclear-armed Iran. Clearly the pressure from Democrats is a reflection of – we might as well say it – Israeli and Jewish input.” He added the obvious: “a lot of money comes to the Democratic campaigns” from Jewish contributors.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..67229.html
I’m sick & tired of the manipulation, demonizing, and lying about Iranian nuclear capabilities. The real fear is of the Iranian bourse trading only in euros and eventual refusal of petro U.S. dollars and the inevitability of OPEC following suit. The fear is of the demise of the hegemony of the US dollar and the world no longer funding of US debt and wars. “Iran said it would soon refuse to accept dollars for its oil exports, preferring to be paid in a “more credible currency”…It already receives 65pc of payments in euros and 20pc in yen, but insisted that the remaining 15pc in dollars entailed an excessive risk of devaluation….However, if a number of OPEC suppliers began demand long-term futures contracts in euros instead of dollars, this would have an impact over time
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/mon…..iet103.xml
Our legislators wearing flag pins drives me up a wall. Wearing one’s patriotism or religion on one’s sleeve or lapel or car bumper falls immediately makes me think he/she doth profess too much. Smells phoney.
Speaking of bumper stickers, saw one in a southern state recently that said “I (heart) my wife”. Gag.
Yes, what WILL the dems do? Will they shake their fists and stomp their feet, or hold their breath until they turn blue? Maybe a combination of all three? Truly pathetic jellyfish.
wigwam — I agree with the need for followup justice. My immediate concern is just getting these thugs out of office. Nothing else useful can happen until that’s done. But lots of harm can/will be done every day they remain.
I’ve been advocating prepaid trips to The Hague for all of these bastards for ages. But I do like the way John Dean is thinking. Hopefully after January 20, 2009 our DC friends will suddenly grow some courage to do the right thing. I am not betting on that happening.
raven -
How far are you from Aville? If you’re willing to “light” an hour west of there, I have a spare bed for free.
Won’t be there much ’til around Christmas time but would love to have the two of you visit thereafter.
We may really be at the point where we’ll only be giving CPR to a cadaver.
This nation is decaying in front of our eyes.
-GSD
my bold.
well, congress could stop passing stupid dangerous laws – like the fisa changes, like the mca, like the anti-iran bills…. that wouldn’t require impeachment… that would require a functioning democratic party within congress.
Andrew Sullivan (who is often on Chris Matthews Sunday program) has been deeply concerned about the Bush administration’s disregard for the law, our constitution, and congress for quite some time.
Glad to hear Wolf Blitzer asked some tough questions.
Waccamaw @ 69
We’re in Athens, just a couple hour drive. We may give it a whirl. We have friends in Black Mountain too, crazy artists. . .you know what I mean!
it’s increasingly obvious — at least it is to me — that EVERYONE in washington is playacting. the president accepts the role of the idiot manipulated by his handlers, while the dems take as a given that they are seen as merely intimidated, or simply scared.
but what everyone truly is is COMPLICIT.
I also believe at this moment in time the most crushing matter that the nation needs to wrestle with is whether or not a Senator is wearing a fucking lapel pin.
-GSD
What are we going to do about it, America?
RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY BITCHES!!!!!!
.
GSD @ 76
Chuck Toad of NBC news just admitted this story was sourced from Drudge and completely taken out of context…but he was very proud
whereas I am appalled
Scarecrow @ 67
Do you think we’ll EVER get Bush & Cheney to the Impeachment Table?
I’m actually starting to lose hope here.
Makes me long for the old days when impeachment was actually an option. Hand wringing and running out the clock are no substitute for impeaching a truly lawless administration.
raven @ 73
Black Mountain, the old haven of the Bauhaus, is a place I’d to visit.
selise @ 72
True. There’s no excuse for their caving, but it’s all part of the sickness that emanates from the WH.
We are going to put Bushie in prison. Very few Americans realize he is the only president in our history who has been in jail. He’s been before. He can go again.
raven -
Well, shucks! Black Mountain is closer; if you decide to do it, maybe snowbird and I could meet up with you guys in the big town…..there’s so much wizard artsy stuff to do there.
RockPaperScizzors @ 64
Here is Sy Hersh on Democracy Now the other day saying similar things.
http://verbal.democracynow.org…..ying_plans
I read everything I can get my eyes on that Flynt Leverett writes. He was in the first three years of the Bush administration and quit due to the invasion of Iraq and the Bush administrations stand on Iran. He is a middle east expert now at the New America Foundation
Here are a few of this articles
http://www.cfr.org/publication/10326/
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01…..erett.html
http://www.newamerica.net/pres…..n_and_iraq
My sense is that once you really open up any investigation about the activities of the “US Government” and let it go where the facts lead… it will take you to some very ugly places and there you will see skeletons of dems, republicans, media people… the whole fabric of this cobbled together fake democracy will unfold.
We have seen a testing of the waters.. how far undemocratic things can be pushed on us… how much fascism can be done and no outcry will ensue.
We have seen how the American democracy is like the frog in the water brought to the boil of fascism.
When a crack in the wall opens up. the patcher comes along to close it up. Little is revealed on the dark side.
Our system seems increasingly immune to self correction. We have laws which can help and new laws which only make things worse.
We live in the brave new world.
Great post Mr Crow.
ironranger @ 66
I live in an area where it is “cool” to wear one’s religion on one’s bumper sticker. Yes, we do raise sheep in the area. (There are actually more goats than sheep in the pastures.) I was grossed out the other day as I was running around looking for items for an exhibit. I wandered into a few cutesy gift shops and decided that the brainwashing starts with the sickly incense that they pollute the air with.
Obama reportedly said he noticed people with the lapel pins were acting very patriotic.
Bang!
Pow!
That is an attack right at the heart of those brain-dead, flag waving morans!
-GSD
Waccamaw @ 83
Sound cool, let’s keep it in mind.
John Forde @ 83
There’s absolutely zero chance of Bush, Cheney, or any high official going to prison.
Elliott @ 79
Ever watch the e-mail responses to Cafferty file questions? It’s not a representative sample, but it’s pretty clear that large numbers of the public are thoroughly disgusted. And I’ve watched it intensify — accelerate — over the last few months. People are really fed up, both with Bush and the Congress/Dems for not doing enough about it. I think a tough stance against the regime would be greeted with huge, passionate support. People have had enough. JMO.
It almost feels like a dirty social experiment to see how many crimes and lies and hypocracy and transfer of wealth and power can take place without anything happening.
In fact based on the media it seems like they want us to accept it with a smile on our faces and bobble our head in agreement with the “pundits” and “journalists”.
snowbird42 @ 45
Would definitely make the effort to come.
The thread of corruption from Gonzo to the very serious issues revealed by the testimony of Justice Rahdi yesterday, to Backwater’s lack of accountability, now addressed is overwhelming. National Security and the interests of the oil industry have been merged into one, under the Bush presidency. It is clear that the rule of law is ignored, when dealing with securing, oil’s future profits. Meanwhile Bin Lauden lives. Want to buy some swamp land for sale in in the desert??
Since the word ‘fascism’ has begun to pass our lips, however reluctantly, might we not consider another of those ‘awful’ and ‘obnoxious’ words; ‘appeasement’?
Of course, THIS TIME, the d’s will courageously rise and do what must be done.
The argument that ‘impeachment would keep other important things … from being done …’
is transparently pathetic. I wonder why such ‘transparency’ isn’t very useful?
We don’t torture, but when the non-torture gets too painful for the subjects it is applied to they talk and we stop the non-torture.
It’s simple.
-GSD
Scarecrow @ 90
I don’t get the 24 hour news channels anymore, so I don’t see Cafferty. I’m glad to know that the sound-minded voices sound louder!
David W. Bartoo @ 93
I agree with you.
Scarecrow @ 81
i’m missing something. why do you think the problems with some (most?) of the dems in congress is a result of a sickness in the WH?
PAWLEYS ISLAND, South Carolina (AP) – Republican John McCain said Thursday that as president he would appoint Alan Greenspan to lead a review of the nation’s tax code — even if the former Federal Reserve chairman was dead.
“If he’s alive or dead it doesn’t matter. If he’s dead, just prop him up and put some dark glasses on him like, like ‘Weekend at Bernie’s,”‘ McCain joked. “Let’s get the best minds in America together and fix this tax code.”
Scarecrow “John Dean, appearing on Countdown, suggested we should at least extend the statute of limitations another five years, so that those responsible for committing crimes during this regime could be brought to justice. That’s a start, but more is needed.”
—————-
Dean has been pushing the idea of impeaching lower level officials in the Bush administration for quite some time. Take these criminals out so that they are unable to ever slide back into a future administration. You know like all of the Iran/Contra criminals that slid back into the Bush administration.
So the list would be long, but start with, Douglas Feith, Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Ari Fleisher…the list would be long
Laura Doty @ 97
Laura, the other evening you mentioned that were those who meet at the lake to ‘work together’ there might be other things that we could accomplish. I believe that to be very important and was frustrated that no one seemed willing to discuss just what else we might do. I hope we may revisit that notion some time. There never seems to be any time for anything but reactive ‘dialog’. What do you think?
RockPaperScizzors @ 64
To what extent is it an established fact that it is largely the Israel Lobby that is pimping war with Iran?
– Seymour Hirsch is quoted as making that claim in the article cited above: “Clearly the pressure from Democrats is a reflection of – we might as well say it – Israeli and Jewish input.”
– Glenn Greenwald made similar (documented) claims: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/greenwald9.html
I consider it important to assemble the record and draw attention to it now. In the past week, I’ve read two articles, here and here, at Huffington Post that expressed outrage that people are not accusing the Israel Lobby of having pimped the Iraq war. I don’t want there to be any doubt regarding how the guilt should be shared wrt Iran.
And that, friends, is the crux of the biscuit.
Why is that concept so alien to most of our Democratic leaders?
With the exception of Dennis Kucinich. I’m coming closer to the idea of just throwing all my support behind Kucinich, despite the seeming impossibility of his winning, just because it’s the “right thing to do.”
From the war, to a cabinet-level Department of Peace, to single-payer health care, to labor issues. He’s the only candidate of ANY party that is consistently “right” on every single issue.
And I haven’t been a vocal supporter of Kucinich on this board in the past. This election, I’ve been mostly focused on Edwards, but I’m becoming a little concerned with his health care plan and his rhetoric about Iran.
In just the past couple of days I’ve really gotten tired of allowing “likely electoral success” be such a major factor in who I support rather than the issues themselves.
selise @ 99
Partly the fear mongering; party their inability to realize they’re dealing with a regime that doesn’t respond to normal checks on behavior. This is the most radical and brazenly lawless regime we’ve ever had, and they don’t know how to deal with that. The Dems behave as though they’re in shock, and are simply incapable of thinking, so they allow themselves to be led. The FISA stampede is an example.
As I’ve said before, I think we have about 25-30 or so Senators that will usually do the right thing when it’s hard and just under 50 who will do the right thing when it’s easy. That leaves about 25 who can be stampeded.
SufiLizard @ 102
it has been a long time since i’ve been able to vote happily and wholeheartedly for a candidate.
and that whole likely electoral success argument has not been working out so well for the beltway dems, has it?
Yes, the word appeasement has a lot of appeal to me. Republican fascists – Democratic appeasers.
I posted this some time ago. Every crime has a motive!
AN AMERICAN SOLUTION
If there be no greater sacrifice than to lay down one’s life in defense of freedom so others may live; then it stands that the intentional manipulation of “reason” and the ‘systematic instillation; of “falsehoods,” leading to war triggering unwarranted death and destruction constitutes a high crime. In moments of crisis the rule of law provided guidance. The wisdom of our founders provides a path less taken. America has always reaffirmed the values we hold dear, like, “…. liberty and justice for all.” Given its plain and ordinary meaning, not some twisted legalese designed to deny someone protection from government policies, good or bad? Our founders laid the foundation for America’s solution to our devastated credibility and moral authority in this world. It is a demonstrative corrective measure. A growing consensus of Americans now understand, not unlike our founders understood, with great reluctance, what was their duty. This duty is now, ours. It does not require the loss of life encountered when charging a hill, to take the enemy position. It does not require the loss of one’s limbs in fulfilling the obligations of one’s duty. It does require the exercise of logic, purposeful reasoning and the sanctity of quiet introspection afforded by our freedoms, protected by the rule of law. The name given to this process, enabled by constitutional law is, impeachment. Impeachment of Bush/Cheney on charges of high crimes and misdemeanors against the for the willful and intentional manipulation of Iraqi pre war intelligence, for morphing a legitimate war against terrorist, into an unwarranted military invasion / occupation of Iraq for oil. Driven by short termed economic expediency, failed policies as applied to America’s / the World’s Global energy needs, its deleterious effect on this planet’s bios, all, while lining the pockets of the interests they represent.
David W. Bartoo @ 100
Only time for a short answer right now (I am supposedly writing a court eval due in a couple of hours!) Two thoughts. One is that there is a very open-ended question I believe is worthy of exploring about this creative group-mind that is formed here. The other is more practical: work groups–and these two things necessarily overlap. I’d like to have more dialog about these ideas…what do other people think? (Another way we might start is through face book, too). (And you can always email at ldta@sbcglobal dot com.
raven @ 100
I’m sorry – John McCain has turned himself into a non-starter. His “sell-by” date was obviously a long, long time ago.
Good morning from L.A. I always look forward to reading your posts, Scarecrow. Today’s is again excellent.
It’s hard not to absorb the malaise caused by living under BushCo. The despair of watching oversight hearings that talk big & go nowhere…Leahy getting ready to cave, Pelosi, Reid, the Congress we took back & now watch in frustration as they go rubber-legged. The sure knowledge that the latest ugly revelation from this administration won’t be the last, or the worst.
I told someone here a while back that it’s not the falling down, it’s the staying down. I fall down almost every day just reading all the news on the net. My antidote- doing anything I can on a daily basis to change the things that are horrible- calling, faxing (Leahy’s & DiFi’s staffs must know that full well @ this point), donating $, volunteer time teaching GED courses & adult language classes. Can’t give up, can’t give in. Waivering & despair allowed, but not the giving up…
Thanks to all @ FDL. Got to ride in to work now. Read you all later.
Laura Doty @ 109
Thanks Laura, will be in touch.
Scarecrow @ 91
SC this is the truth the Impeachment idea is growing. (Ramsey Clark brought this up early on just after the invasion) Some friends and I (we all marched prior to the invasion in D.C. and New York)have been standing on the main drag where there is a great deal of traffic going to the local mall and farmers market with “GIVE IMPEACHMENT A CHANCE” signs. We get the most thumbs up and honks from the older folks (over 60 and on up) for these signs. Although people in big rip roaring trucks, cadillacs etc give us the thumbs up and honks. We are getting around 20 honks thumbs, smiles, to every 1 middle finger, “go Bush” “fuck you” responses. Most of the folks who get angry are young males on strong hormones (we know the military knows how to manipulate those) who step on the accelerator when they see our signs.
We have decided to make public statements locally instead of going over to the larger marches(which are inspirational if you have not been to one)
If we repeat “Impeachment” often enough folks will seriously begin to realize the wisdom of such and action.
What else is going to stop this warmongering crowd if not for Impeachment, or a military coup?
Scarecrow @ 67
IMHO, it would take at least six months to do an impeachment, hearings and all. By the time things came to a voting we’d be well into the primaries and nobody would have the time and/or the will for it.
Moreover, Nancy is simply not going to let it happen. When she said impeachment is off the table, I believe she meant it. I don’t know who got to her and/or why they want impeachment off the table, but I’d sure like to know.
These aren’t your father’s democrats. They are like zombies being controlled by aliens from another planet.
James Joyce @ 108
Profoundly well-said!
oh boy… if you want to depress yourselves even further, the LA Times has an article entitled, “Sniper Teams Pressured to Kill?”
morning, all – coffee’s ready – help yourselves.
Should definately identify those in Congress as enablers, most of them. Here you go “W” Carte Blanc!!!!
Marie Roget–
I told someone here a while back that it’s not the falling down, it’s the staying down. I fall down almost every day just reading all the news on the net. My antidote- doing anything I can on a daily basis to change the things that are horrible- calling, faxing (Leahy’s & DiFi’s staffs must know that full well @ this point), donating $, volunteer time teaching GED courses & adult language classes. Can’t give up, can’t give in. Waivering & despair allowed, but not the giving up…
Yes. That’s what our Christy does. She’ll be along in a few minutes.
David W. Bartoo @ 100
happy to discuss the topic.. but am hoping/expecting that you will start the discussion instead of expecting someone else to do it.
what ideas to you have for us to work on?
Laura Doty @ 108
I am actively seeking ways to ACT rather than just debate. I’m in the process of organizing a peace group in my church to work with other area churches to ACTIVELY promote peace.
I’m also trying to organize at least a faction of my county Democrats to put together a long-range campaign of putting out weekly (paid ads in newspapers if necessary) written refutations of “Reaganomics” and the free-market fundamentalism driving Republican policy.
I would love to see a nation-wide grassroots campaign to develop a weekly message that is accessible to the general public (not just preaching to the choir). And have people across this country raise money to put that message in local papers from coast to coast.
Those are my current thoughts. But I’d love to hear others.
Think of who gets prosecuted these days. Marion Jones, for taking steroids eight or nine years ago. Michael Vick. There is still a grand jury impaneled trying to force Barry Bonds’ trainer to testify against him. We know what party one has to be for a politician to get prosecuted.
While the feds in Virginia were prosecuting Michael Vick for mistreating dogs, there was a company in Langley, VA that was kidnapping and torturing people off the streets of America and all over teh world. You’d think that the federal prosecutor might have some concerns about that.
Bob In Pacifica @ 121
“Mistreating” dogs my ass.
selise @ 119
I’d want to a least start this in an organized way, which I think means a post,with some ideas…not taking over a thread. I hadn’t imagined asking for a spot….but if this seems like a idea people want to mull, I would.
Amazing how some wise people had it pegged decades ago: “When facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” Sinclair Lewis.
Andrew Sullivan said it well in the quote above.
I remember seeing the photo of the 70ft statue of Lady Liberty with the 10 commandments in one arm. Tennessee? Disturbing.
I shouldn’t be surprised that there is such nutfest over Obama deciding not to wear the flag pin but it is horrifying to see over and over again how far too many americans don’t appreciate or have the faintest understanding of a strong democracy.
To add to my thought, again, I think that there are two connected ideas. One practical, one more amorphous…and a lot of Christy’s threads do get us doing (short term goals) and sharing what we’re doing as individuals.
Oh, shit. LA Times front page headline:
In any sane society where the electorate had control, the incessant outpouring of such headlines would be more than sufficient grounds for the immediate impeachment of the commander-in-chief for “maladministration of high office,” which is a “high misdemeanor” — see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_misdemeanor
But here we have zombies running the House, and nothing happens.
lets be honest and perfectly clear, the bulk of the democrats including Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, Edwards, Obama, Hoyer, and Leahy have proven that they are on-board with the bush/cheney/neocon cult of republicanism program of American fascism at home, imperial pursuit aboard at least to secure oil supplies by force, and facilitation of the right wing violent Israeli foreign policy. There are but a handful of democrats, NOT on-board with this program. The rest of the democrats are blovinating hot air, putting on a show.
Front runner Clinton for god’s sake is indistinguishable from bush on foreign policy. The rest of the dem “leaders” are working various tortured linguistic mechanizations that amount to insignificant difference from bush/cheney/neocons.
So progressives can stop pissing in the wind and wringing their hands at the inability of democrats to move the progressive agenda – most democrats have NO INTENTION of moving the progressive agenda. Progressives need to be wide-eyed and not expect ANY ROLLBACK of the bush fascism in 2009.
Progressives a long term view recognizing that upwards of 2/3 of today’s democrats have to be replaced with actual progressives.
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Bob In Pacifica @ 121
Concerns, yes. But also big questions about justidiction. If I’m the prosecutor in MO and I think someone broke the law in CA, the best I can do is pass it off to the CA prosecutor.
However . . . Individual contractors are in a very gray murky legal area with regard to immunity for their actions in Iraq. But might the actions of the corporate officers be subject to US criminal procedure? That might be worth looking into.
PAWLEYS ISLAND, South Carolina (AP) – Republican John McCain said Thursday that as president he would appoint Alan Greenspan to lead a review of the nation’s tax code — even if the former Federal Reserve chairman was dead.
“If he’s alive or dead it doesn’t matter. If he’s dead, just prop him up and put some dark glasses on him like, like ‘Weekend at Bernie’s,”‘ McCain joked. “Let’s get the best minds in America together and fix this tax code.”
I think that’s the way the media treats his campaign –let’s just prop him up and keep him going.
selise @ 119
Selise, I have been trying several times to engage a discussion. First; we must not allow every outrage to assault our serenity and humanity. The assaults are guaranteed to keep coming. Second; it would be wise of us not to join the to parties of power in underestimating the people. The Republicans despise, mock and toy with the people. The Democrats do not trust the people nor do they trust democracy. The people, from my experience, are eager to hear compelling, comprehensible narratives that would allow them to hope and to appreciate what this country could be. We will NEVER find kinship with the power-hungry, better we seek to inform those who are not so well-informed as ourselves. We share the same fate.
Wigwam
by no means is itjust the I-lobby pimping a pre-emptive attack on Iran although they have been and continue to push very hard for military action against Iran.
I heard Ariel Sharon (when he was well) and Richard Perle at an A*P*C conference several years ago push very hard for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran. They repeated unsubstantiated claims about Iran, as Micheal Ledeen, Cheney, John Bolton, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Ari Fleisher and many others have over the last four years.
I have followed the A*P*C as well as the JINSA website for six years now. They pushed hard for the invasion of Iraq. As soon as we invaded they began to post one action item after the next that encouraged members to push for military action against Iran. Go check out the site. The push for military action against Iran has been relentless.
Today under Take action it is just a little lighter on the Iran issue. Generally under Take action three out of the four have to do with Iran
http://www.aipac.org/
Then let’s move to who introduced H.R. 1400 “the Counter Proliferation Act” and the Kyl/Lieberman amendment.
The push for Iran is certainly a combination of groups and people pushing for military action in the middle east. Neo/theo/oil/defense cons (often these individuals over lap).
But I believe the I-Lobby has been and is pushing the hardest.
wigwam @ 114
I’ve never understood the argument that impeachment would take so long. The House impeachment vote could be held in an afternoon; the evidence is already compiled; they’re wading in it. We don’t need another investigation; we need a political awakening.
A trial would take longer, but this is not an evidentiary trial; it’s a straight political judgment about whether the regime has so betrayed the public trust that they deserve to be removed from office for the good of the country. Two weeks debate and vote. The only point of stretching it out is to let the notion sink in to the point the Senate understands the country is ready. They decide the sequence — and hence the succession; they cut the deal. They vote. It could happen in a month.
If the country were under physical attack, Congress could vote for war in an afternoon. Well, it’s under siege from a lawless gang of thugs who are getting people killed.
Scarecrow @ 103
i disagree… congress seems very capable when it comes to attempting to cover up their complicity. i just don’t see any evidence that they don’t know what to do. it looks more like they don’t want to do it.
and the fisa debacle was a stampede only because the dems helped create the stampede… and probably, imo, to cover up their complicity.
with all due respect scarecrow – in the senate, we have exactly ONE senator who will do the right thing when it’s hard (vote against the patriot act, vote against the moveon condemnation). the 25-30 senators you mention will do the right thing only if it’s not very hard. we agree on the 50 who will do the right thing when it’s easy.
Could it be the “Oil Lobby” and the “Israeli lobby” are both pimps, using our fellow citizens, and tax dollars to advance their mutually benefiting interests?
Scarecrow @ 81
Bush is the most unpopular lame duck in the history of the presidency. How does he have any influence at all?
Christy has a new thread ready. Time to take action.
Selise — you’re not allowed to be more pessimistic than I am on my threads. :)
But, yes, sometimes only one good Senator when the subject is very hard. And why isn’t he our candidate? There are leaders and there are those who wanna be.
oddball @ 15
Come join millions of people who feel very similar to the way you feel. Millions of middle class Americans have been marching both before and after the invasion Come join them in one of the cities closest to you.
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
11 Massive Demonstrations for Peace
Boston, Chicago, Jonesborough, Tenn., Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York City, Orlando, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle
Visit http://www.oct27.org for more details and information on how to get involved in the demonstration in your region. Fall Out Against the War!
Laura Doty @ 123
This does seem worthy of a post, and I hope you will consider doing so. Again, my most sincere thanks and appreciation.
Laura Doty @ 123
do you have a blog? if you write the post, i will (and i bet many others as well) would come to discuss. that way you can organize it as you want.
Scarecrow @ 136
LOL. yeah, i’m too pessimistic this morning. maybe tomorrow will be a better day. thanks for the laugh.
… why isn’t he our leader? i think it’s because russ get’s underminded at almost every turn by people with power in his own party.
James Joyce @ 134
Pressure can come from many directions at once. (I don’t think that a war with Iran would be in the best interest of the oil lobby, but it’s what they think that counts here and Cheney for one seems to be enthusiastic about attacking.)
David W. Bartoo @ 130
guess i disagree… at least i think i do.
i’m willing to work with just about anybody… even the power-hungry. and i find them among those with power as well as those without.
Impeachment is forever off the table. It can only be placed upon the table for blow jobs or cunnilingus “offenses”.
selise @ 119
One thing I have pushed for here at the Lake a while back is a group effort to get Christy, Marcy and Jane on the Diane Rehm show. I know this is possible because a group of us and individually I have been successful at convincing the producers and Diane to get certain people on her program. Talk of the Nation as well, I was able to convince Neil Conan to put a dear friend Peggy Gish (been in Iraq 4 years, going back soon) on his program (even though Neil Conan and I have disagreed on many issues, Neil, Scott Simon and others at NPR will actually take the time to call you back when you leave messages, I am not kidding you.
How about a group effort to get the Women of the Lake on Diane Rehm or Talk of the Nations show?
Contact for Diane
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/contact_us.php
Talk of the Nation
http://www.npr.org/contact/
Let’s give it a FDL group effort
I will post Neil Conans direct number (I do not have it on me)
Scarecrow @ 131
Ah Scarecrow:
As I’ve said in the past, T. Paine would be very pleased with you. This particular comment is so truth-laden that it must resonate through time. All threats, whether foreign or homegrown, that could destroy this nation MUST be met vigorously, with truth, with justice and with a primary concern for honor. You amply demonstrate those sensibilities. Would that certain others might do so. There is now no more important business for the political class, than rising to the occasion. Infamy!
Deceit! and Cowardice, your name is Congress.
Laura Doty @ 123
I am reminded that Patrick Henry played a part in starting an independent democracy movement through some resolutions…
selise @ 142
selise, I do not say that good people are not to be found among the powerful, merely that our fate is with the people, all people who can tell the difference between right and wrong, when ‘parsing’ is evasion and insufficient to the time. The powerful have not shown, in my lifetime, much capacity to care about much beyond, as Gunga Djinn put it, ‘their own apple carts’. I have not said and will not ever say that we should not seek to engage their ‘better angels’.
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone that wants one…
Thanks for the post Scarecrow — just got here, so haven’t read the comments. Just wanted to add my two cents that we absolutely MUST impeach Bush and Cheney, and prosecute their henchmen. Thanks for continuing to write so eloquently about this.
If impeachment is truly taken off the table, then those fools leave revolution as the only remaining remedy for the people. Are they really that stupid? (rhetorical question.) Go see what the Declaration of Independence has to say about this issue. Just Google it.
Bravo, Scarecrow.
Glenn Greenwald, too high-status a pro blogger to be considered a ‘troll’, says;
my emphasis.
David W. Bartoo @ 146 –
thanks for the reply. i guess i just don’t understand what you want from me… sorry to be so stupid.
We might form a more perfect union….
It’s all well and good to continue the call for impeachment or for the enforcement of existing laws, but this government, including the Congress will do nothing except dither, obfuscate, and collect their checks. The Dems delay action or accountability in some twisted strategy to win more seats in 2008, while the “loyal opposition” proceed in a spastic goosestep of constipating daily oversight or good governance.
Our republic is broken, possibly beyond repair and none of our current crop of politicians is unfettered enough, intelligent enough, dedicated enough, nor charismatic enough to change anything. We are in status.
Can we slap, then chill, then waterboard either of these ladies until they tell us the truth? or would that be torture??
Bush/Cheney are fascists. That assumes an ideological motivation.
They are criminals and flimflam men.
sorry, that should be
“Bush/Cheney aren’t fascists.”
I agree with you Scarecrow, Impeachment IS the answer and it should be used regardless of whether Bush & Cheney are removed. Unfortunately we have a spineless Congress and they will not do the right thing.
Amen. Impeach. Now.
The lying fuckers. Does anyone actually believe that he didn’t knowingly ADVOCATE the use of torture? He’s a fucking terrorist.
IMPEACH. CONVICT. IMPRISON.
wilson @ 53
Wilson, where are the David Halberstams and Neil Sheehans of our generation? We need reporters and journalists like them to help bring down this administration and expose them for the murderers, cheaters and thieves they really are. What’s being done in the press right now is not nearly enough and it leaves me feeling helpless, hopeless and abandoned.
Hope is what helps me get out of bed in the morning and lately I’ve really wanted to sleep in.
Read “The 12 Year Reich” by Richard Grunberger and “Fascism Anyone?” by Dr. Lawrence Britt–just google “Fascism”. Also articles/books by Victor Klemperer about the language of Nazi’s. Compare to the Bush mis-administration.
unfortunately we have a spineless Congress and they will not do the right thing.
they are not spineless – they are part of the program.
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Scarecrow @ 42
Link to this?
That is beyond insane.
you’re kidding yourselves if you think this is just bush/cheney. i’m thinking the dlcers are part of the deal. i hate to say this but “we’re toast”. goddammit. the apples didn’t fall far enough from the tree. looking back at the history of the familys currently involved in this coup, it’s clear we are at the end of one hell of a plan. we needed our own smedley butler but it just wasn’t meant to be. we may be at the end the stages of the karmic whip, where you just sit back and listen for the cracking sound. we, the american public have been sleeping and most likely deserves everything that’s coming our way. our actions inside and outside of this country have been devastating. even here at the lake (and i do love the lake) the history of some of our elected officials has been ignored.
Can pResident Shrub pardon himself before he scarpers off?
selise @ 154
selise,
I think maybe we are misunderstanding each other. I was hoping to clarify what I took to be your misunderstanding of my statement that ‘kinship’ with the powerful is usually a one-way street. Knowing that you are just as diappointed with the behavior of both Parties as I am, moved me to say that our collective ‘fate’ is more aligned with and to the ‘people’ than with those who lust after power. Those who truly wish to ’serve’ are a differnt type of person altogether. Were you to seek public office, I should rally to your cause as soon as I heard that that was your decision. One thing that I would request of you though, if I may presume, please do not ever say that you arre stupid. I do not think that is true. You see, I believe you to be very wise. I also believe that you, single-handedly do more than most anyone I have ever encountered to keep the rest of us informed about extremely important actions (or inactions) by our ‘repesentatives’.
Perino/Thompson…..THey’ve been trotting these females out to talk for the admin more and more often.
I repeat,
When attorneys violate ethical and disciplinary rules in my state, they are investigated and disciplined. What is the sanction for government attorneys who sign off on legal opinions that have no legal foundation, yet consequences far beyond any that are imaginable for most lawyers? What say ye Messrs. David Addington (Counsel to the Vice President), Mr. John Yoo (formerly OLC, now dispensing legal education at Boalt Hall), and Jay Bybee (formerly OLC, now Justice, 9th Circuit).
In the past our nation has erected monuments memorializing great men and events in our nation’s history. The debacle in Iraq and the breathtaking usurpation of power by the Bush administration as enabled and given cover by these counselors is something deserving of memorializing too; “Never pass this way again!”
I can’t believe the American people look at these pigs and think this is the America the founders intended.
Ms Perino in her doublespeak parsing way is so young to be such a tool for the evil elders. She should repent as she’ll never work again in DC once the democrats get in town for good.
selise @ 32
If we don’t “America” is done…toast.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 54
That policy may have been good enough 6 months or a year ago, but today things have not become more normal with legal behavior from all around. Things have gotten worse and worse and the public is learning more and more and we don’t like what we see.
Congress might’ve been elected as much to be rid of immoral Republicans as it was to end the war in Iraq, but things have come to light since then.
How can we look at the picture of abu Ghraib and then hear of this ’secret AG opinion’ authorizing it and not respond? That wouldn’t be American!
No, it’s time to set proceedings into motion — time to investigate towards impeaching and removing Cheney, so we can then get on to Bush.
Anything less and we have to consider America a failure.
NPR’s top stories today: Marion Jones took steroids! Oh, & the economy is doing Grrreat! “Growth, even though it is soft growth”. . .
I hear “Gossip Girl”s getting good ratings and hey, “America’s Next Top Model” has some lovely contestants this time ’round.
I don’t wanna think about torture. That’s a downer! It’s only brown people & furriners anyway, & a few might be terr’ists.
Nancy & the Demos say impeachment’s off the table ‘coz all they care about is winning the next election. At that pt., as Clinton I (wanna bet we’ll get a Clinton II– that’s what the SCM (State Controlled Media I’ve decided is more accurate than MSM) wants anyhow) did w/ GB I, the crimes of GWB will be slept under the carpet to be forgotten.
TJ @ 171
I would be curious to learn how the American Bar Association and attorneys generally would respond to your question.
Professional psychologists might be feeling a wee mite uncomfortable with the decision of their national ’society’, as well they should. Any ‘justification’ for participating in torture ’sessions’ rings very hollow. It were better to stand against the practice(?) of torture altogether (all, together), than to pretend to keep it within ‘bounds.’
Looking at Perino’s photo, I have one observation: cleavage!
Remember the brouhaha over Hillary, the painstaking analyses of inches and angles? A woman trying to address serious issues in a responsible way was hit by a trivilization campaign over a wardrobe decision.
A woman turning and twisting, using absurdities to defend the indefensible is treated with deference. If the Left and the “liberal” press were truly as deranged as the Right constantly proclaims, you’d be seeing all kinds of stories about Perino’s fashion sense and speculation she’s deliberately trying to distract the press.
One could speculate that the Bush administration is hiding behind a young woman hoping that aggressive press questions can be portrayed as an assault – should reporters ever actually ask them.
I guess it was a coincidence that the two people that the WH sent out to defend them on this issue were both women?
I watched Townsend on CNN and was just appalled by her indifference to what she was actually describing, i.e. torture.
There will be no impeachment. The President will label anyone who tries to impeach him an enemy combatant under the MCA of 2006 and have them arrested.
Why do you think Pelosi won’t allow impeachment to come up in the house? They are all scared of ending up imprisoned and their assets seized with no legal recourse to free themselves.
To get a look at just what contortions these Blackwater types will twist themselves into to disguise their actions and make themselves appear legitimate, check out the following site (it’s pretty damned amazing):
http://ipoaonline.org/php/