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		<title>By: Swiftee</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/04/if-youre-poor-tighten-those-chastity-belts/#comment-1015430</link>
		<dc:creator>Swiftee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“This addition to the welfare reform bill, Ehrenreich notes, reflected the ruling class’s preoccupation with the sexual and social habits of the poor.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is an astonishingly ignorant statement, even for Eherenreich. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If by “ruling class” she means to say taxpayers, we (speaking as a taxpayer) care only with the consequences of the sexual and social habits the poor are unequipped to deal with…because we end up holding the bag.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“This addition to the welfare reform bill, Ehrenreich notes, reflected the ruling class’s preoccupation with the sexual and social habits of the poor.”</p>
<p>This is an astonishingly ignorant statement, even for Eherenreich. </p>
<p>If by “ruling class” she means to say taxpayers, we (speaking as a taxpayer) care only with the consequences of the sexual and social habits the poor are unequipped to deal with…because we end up holding the bag.</p>
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		<title>By: lightly</title>
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		<dc:creator>lightly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Speaking of rank hypocrisy from the chastity police, consider this bit of history I learned reading bell hooks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When pressure from abolitionists obliged slaveholders to stop importing slaves, they took to breeding their own. To that end, they even changed the laws regarding paternity so that the child of a white man and a slave woman inherited the status of his mother, not his father. Talk about flagrant evidence of intent. After that the slave population increased exponentially. Infants were taken from their mothers as soon as possible to make sure slave women got pregnant as often as their white owners could rape them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of rank hypocrisy from the chastity police, consider this bit of history I learned reading bell hooks.</p>
<p>When pressure from abolitionists obliged slaveholders to stop importing slaves, they took to breeding their own. To that end, they even changed the laws regarding paternity so that the child of a white man and a slave woman inherited the status of his mother, not his father. Talk about flagrant evidence of intent. After that the slave population increased exponentially. Infants were taken from their mothers as soon as possible to make sure slave women got pregnant as often as their white owners could rape them.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/04/if-youre-poor-tighten-those-chastity-belts/#comment-1014878</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tula, what you describe is a demonstration of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_wages&quot;&gt;Iron Law of Wages.&lt;/a&gt; I have always assumed that we as a nation had moved away from this, but obviously not. Work is indeed a fundamental value for all Americans. Welfare reform was based on this idea.  But it is dishonors this value if people with full time jobs cannot support themselves, let alone a family.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tula, what you describe is a demonstration of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_wages">Iron Law of Wages.</a> I have always assumed that we as a nation had moved away from this, but obviously not. Work is indeed a fundamental value for all Americans. Welfare reform was based on this idea.  But it is dishonors this value if people with full time jobs cannot support themselves, let alone a family.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/04/if-youre-poor-tighten-those-chastity-belts/#comment-1014747</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1014078&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;steelhead @ 86&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Being a newbie Firepup, what does “Zed” mean?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;nothing…nothing at all&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Welcome!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1014078"><em>steelhead @ 86</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Being a newbie Firepup, what does “Zed” mean?</p>
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<p>nothing…nothing at all</p>
<p>Welcome!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1014072&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 82&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bill Clinton now showing a 66% Job Approval Rating from his gig as president. Clusterfuck pullin down  a 31% rating…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heh. Hillary thinks she earned half of that 66%. What was she thinking, having relations with THAT WOMAN?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just how much was Hillary involved in running that admin.? Really, can anybody figure it out?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1014072"><em>rwcole @ 82</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Bill Clinton now showing a 66% Job Approval Rating from his gig as president. Clusterfuck pullin down  a 31% rating…</p>
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<p>Heh. Hillary thinks she earned half of that 66%. What was she thinking, having relations with THAT WOMAN?</p>
<p>Just how much was Hillary involved in running that admin.? Really, can anybody figure it out?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1014050&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 64&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1014045&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 59&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That Florida story is really odd. …
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, it’s all about the Dems, even though the RNC has said that by breaking &lt;em&gt;their&lt;/em&gt; rules, the R delegation will only be seated at a half if at all.  But that doesn’t help the meme of the Dem in-fighting so gets no play in the news&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pivot and attack!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Q: What about Florida Dems and their early primary?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(one) A: It’s strange isn’t it that BOTH parties in Florida are breaking their national party rules. If only the electronic voting machines weren’t ruining our elections these problems probably wouldn’t occur.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1014050"><em>dakine01 @ 64</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1014045"><em>rwcole @ 59</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>That Florida story is really odd. …
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<p>Of course, it’s all about the Dems, even though the RNC has said that by breaking <em>their</em> rules, the R delegation will only be seated at a half if at all.  But that doesn’t help the meme of the Dem in-fighting so gets no play in the news</p>
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<p>Pivot and attack!</p>
<p>Q: What about Florida Dems and their early primary?</p>
<p>(one) A: It’s strange isn’t it that BOTH parties in Florida are breaking their national party rules. If only the electronic voting machines weren’t ruining our elections these problems probably wouldn’t occur.</p>
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		<title>By: portia.vz</title>
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		<dc:creator>portia.vz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1014080&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JF @ 88&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1014077&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Redshift @ 85&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;And what exactly is the alternative? Republicans screw Dems in Florida, so you abandon the rules that everyone agreed to and let them screw Dems nationwide? The DNC is just attempting to enforce the rules.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think much of the whole “Iowa and New Hampshire first” business, but if they couldn’t get it changed when they were meeting to determine the rules, I don’t think letting one state crash the primary system is the way to do it, either.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How does voting before IA and NH screw Dems nationwide?  I can’t see the connection.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Press interpretation and momentum.  That’s why and Edwards win in Iowa could be a mistake for the party.  His public funding scheme sounds great until you work out the numbers and see that it’s a recipe for disaster against the GOP election machine.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1014080"><em>JF @ 88</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1014077"><em>Redshift @ 85</em></a></p>
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<p>And what exactly is the alternative? Republicans screw Dems in Florida, so you abandon the rules that everyone agreed to and let them screw Dems nationwide? The DNC is just attempting to enforce the rules.</p>
<p>I don’t think much of the whole “Iowa and New Hampshire first” business, but if they couldn’t get it changed when they were meeting to determine the rules, I don’t think letting one state crash the primary system is the way to do it, either.</p>
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<p>How does voting before IA and NH screw Dems nationwide?  I can’t see the connection.</p>
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<p>Press interpretation and momentum.  That’s why and Edwards win in Iowa could be a mistake for the party.  His public funding scheme sounds great until you work out the numbers and see that it’s a recipe for disaster against the GOP election machine.</p>
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		<title>By: pma</title>
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		<dc:creator>pma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1013991&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 17&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;John Dean’s latest&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20071004.html&quot;&gt;http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20071004.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;lan Greenspan’s Autobiography, and His Decision to Switch Political Parties&lt;br /&gt;
By JOHN W. DEAN&lt;br /&gt;
—-&lt;br /&gt;
Thursday, Oct. 04, 2007&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As readers may well know, I am a former Republican, turned Independent because he saw for himself that the GOP was not very good at government. It is nice to have such eminent company as former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank Alan Greenspan. When Greenspan speaks, people truly listen.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;———————————————&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With the Republican party headed towards a cliff, Pat Buchanan, Kevin Phillips, Paul O’neil and many others have questioned the direction of their party.  John Dean now an Independent, Greenspan has shared how much he loves Bill Clinton by calling him “the best Republican President” has obviously jumped the sinking ship.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wonder what election statisticians (is that who could figure the possibility of the chances of a third party ) would say about the possibility of a viable third party? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would seem that at this time in history the situation could not get any better (or worse) for a third party to give it a shot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would fully support establishment of any right wing third party.  Otherwise, not so much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1013991"><em>Kathleen @ 17</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>John Dean’s latest<br />
<a href="http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20071004.html">http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20071004.html</a></p>
<p>lan Greenspan’s Autobiography, and His Decision to Switch Political Parties<br />
By JOHN W. DEAN<br />
—-<br />
Thursday, Oct. 04, 2007</p>
<p>As readers may well know, I am a former Republican, turned Independent because he saw for himself that the GOP was not very good at government. It is nice to have such eminent company as former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank Alan Greenspan. When Greenspan speaks, people truly listen.”</p>
<p>———————————————</p>
<p>With the Republican party headed towards a cliff, Pat Buchanan, Kevin Phillips, Paul O’neil and many others have questioned the direction of their party.  John Dean now an Independent, Greenspan has shared how much he loves Bill Clinton by calling him “the best Republican President” has obviously jumped the sinking ship.</p>
<p>Wonder what election statisticians (is that who could figure the possibility of the chances of a third party ) would say about the possibility of a viable third party? </p>
<p>It would seem that at this time in history the situation could not get any better (or worse) for a third party to give it a shot.</p>
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<p>I would fully support establishment of any right wing third party.  Otherwise, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just checked- dems actually have a registration ADVANTAGE in Florida…must be some world class gerrymandering goin on there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checked- dems actually have a registration ADVANTAGE in Florida…must be some world class gerrymandering goin on there.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From the NY Times &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/29/us/politics/29calendar.html&quot;&gt;GOP plans early-primary penalties&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;snip…In addition to Florida and New Hampshire, Wyoming, Michigan and South Carolina also face sanctions for moving up their primaries. Two other early nominating states — Iowa and Nevada — will escape Republican sanctions because they hold nonbinding caucuses, not primaries. snip&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the NY Times <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/29/us/politics/29calendar.html">GOP plans early-primary penalties</a>
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<blockquote><p>snip…In addition to Florida and New Hampshire, Wyoming, Michigan and South Carolina also face sanctions for moving up their primaries. Two other early nominating states — Iowa and Nevada — will escape Republican sanctions because they hold nonbinding caucuses, not primaries. snip</p></blockquote>
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