Setting out to prove once again that substance is nothing and appearances are everything, President Stuffed Codpiece declared yesterday “Child Health Day” in anticipation of vetoing the SCHIP bill.
I think we should celebrate by providing them with maps to the emergency room.
House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn says that 15 GOP votes is the magic number needed to override the veto. The DCCC is running robocalls and radio ads against eight Republicans who voted against the bill. Which is great — it’s reprehensible thing to do and they ought to be hammered on it. But what about the Democrats that voted against it?
Clyburn said he expected four of the eight Democrats who voted against the measure last week to vote for it when it comes back to the floor for an override vote. Another Democrat who voted present will also vote for the override, Clyburn said Tuesday afternoon.
Pelosi evidently let them off the reservation for the last vote. Kucinich voted ‘no’ on the last bill because it dropped inclusion of illegal immigrants, and would presumably vote ‘yes’ next time around, as would Kathy Castor, who favored a bill that would serve more children (though she also had issues with the cigar tax). Watson was the one who voted “present.” Bush Dog Dan Boren has had his come-to-Jesus moment, so that leaves the usual suspects, who vote with the Republicans with alarming regularity:
Jim Marshall (D-GA)–Washington, D.C. Office (202)225-6531; Macon, GA Office 1-877-464-0255; Tifton, GA Office (229)556-7418.
Baron Hill (D-IN)–Washington, D.C. Office (202)225-5315; Jeffersonville, IN Office (812)288-3999; Bloomington, IN Office (812)336-3000.
Gene Taylor (D-MS)–Washington, D.C. Office (202)225-5772; Bay St. Louis, MS Office (228)469-9235; Gulfport, MS Office (228)864-7670; Ocean Springs, MS Office (228)872-7950; Hattiesburg, MS Office (601)582-3246; Laurel, MS Office (601)425-3905.
Bob Etheridge (D-NC)–Washington, D.C. Office (202)225-4531; Raleigh, NC Office (919)829-9122 or 1-888-262-6202; Lillington, NC Office (910)814-0335 or 1-866-384-3743.
Mike McIntyre (D-NC)–Washington, D.C. Office (202)225-2731; Lumberton, NC Office (910)735-0610; Fayetteville, NC Office (910)323-0260; Wilmington, NC Office (910)815-4959; Bolivia, NC Office (910)253-0158.
Democrats actually do stand for something — or at least they should — and this is it. It’s absurd for anyone to think they’re allowed off the reservation on this one.
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Oooo, this is early. {{{{{JANE}}}}}
And as for Pelosi….
2 North Carolinas, so their problem has to be the cigarette tax. What about the others?
Speaker Pelosi. You have let us down.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 3
This is a great chance for Pelosi and Steny to show that they can manage their own caucus.
Ish @ 4
I think it is unfortunate that the program is being linked to a specific revenue source – if you are going to raise the cigarette tax, fine, go ahead and do it.
we gotta brand this one… how about the “War on Children”.. a campaign of shrub’s 7-year old “War on America”?
How is this supposed to work–the craven Bush veto and the massive (expensive) roll-out of Ana’s Story. Is the point to bring UNICEF to our shores?
I’m somewhat confused. There was a provision to exclude children of LEGAL or ILLEGAL immigrants? I was under the impression it was the former, which seemed basically to be on the same order as tossing out transpeople on the hate crimes act…
peanutbutter @ 10
illegal, I think. But I’m not sure some rethugs know the difference
peanutbutter @ 10
(Mind you, I think ALL children should be eligible, don’t take me the wrong way here.)
peanutbutter @ 10
Pretty much. Anyone know how that provision got in there? A sop to Republicans to support it? A way to sabotage it?
The U.S. Government subsidizes the tobacco industry to the tune of around $550,000,000 per year.
The naked cynicism of this war criminal is truly breath taking. Jeebus CRISPIES, the Laurabot 2007 actually gets into bed with HIM!!!!????
President Stuffed Codpiece and his VP, the Bunker-dwelling Mummy, both detest “socialized medicine”…except their own health insurance provided by the US feckin’ Government.
Hey Deadeye, we want our US feckin’ Government-provided pacemaker back.
Dr. Kevorkian will be dropping by to remove it.
Sans anesthesia, but Nurse Lynne will be standing by with the
Taserpaddles for your pleasure.Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
Yikes! So they could just stop subsidizing it and pay for a whole frakin’ health care system.
That emergency room remark is Bush’s “Rape Gurney Joe” moment, and it needs to be hung around his neck like a superglued scarf.
Yeah, I thought it was the provision that banned children of LEGAL tax-paying immigrants from the benefits-That’s why Kuchinich voted against it and rightly so.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
Don’t get me started. Just. Don’t.
Bah!
Fern @ 17
KY, VA and a couple Carolinas may secede.. ‘course that may not be such a bad thing
The Iraq invasion could pay for all our healthcare.
Blub @ 21
True that. On both statements.
Arca @ 19
illegals ineligible, legals must wait 5 years to qualify… two bad provisions
I support Kucinich and his principled stand which most who know him should be familiar with. I am sure he will vote with the Caucus at any time it is necessary. President Kucinich would provide heath care for brown people too.
Arca @ 22
And then quite some. I was appalled when it as 4bn per month and now it’s, what, 12bn/mo?
JEEBUS FREAKIN’ FRAKKING CHRIST ON A CRUTCH!!
Fern @ 17
Yes. And think about the interest on that much money per year.
“War on Children” says it perfectly, Blub.
The monster declares “Child Health Day” & then vetoes SCHIP.
I am so weary of these diabolical, heartless people.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
Even if were were somehow, magically, utterly out of Iraq tomorrow, we’ll be paying for this for decades.
God, I am so ashamed of my vote for Baron Hill in light of how he’s turned out. I don’t recall him being this conservative during his first tenure in congress. I’ve already told him I’d never vote for him again.
“were were” -> “we were”
:: sigh ::
Eureka Springs @ 25
interesting to see how he votes on the veto override – hope it’s not a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good – okay, the mediocre, but still.
Those calling more fundamentalist-minded reps might want to pass along these tidbits of scripture:
Ezekiel 16:49 — (The prophet is speaking to the leaders of Jerusalem, calling it the “sister city” of the destroyed Sodom) “This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.”
Matthew 25:42-45 — (Jesus is speaking of the final judgment) “‘. . . I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of you?’ Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to the least of these, you did not do it to me.’”
You might want to close your little call with a question: “So, has Washington become the sister city of Sodom, abandoning a proven safety net for poor children?”
i don’t think that’s right. according to kucinich’s website it’s “SCHIP Bill Fails To Provide Health Coverage For Legal Immigrant Children ” (my bold)… although the original bill included them – and kucinich voted ‘yes’ on that version.
this morning i asked christy if anyone has the actual bill text. i’d like to read it… because if legal immigrant children really are excluded, then i’m not sure i support this bill. isn’t this just a way of trying to prevent brown children from getting health care? aren’t we supposed to be the party that supports immigrant’s rights?
we’ve had some wonderful discussions with teddysanfran on his posts about ENDA… and about how important it is that the weakest and most needy aren’t left behind.
isn’t that exactly what this bill is doing?
You know that ER comment may be what it takes for some of the last hold-out tradionally Repuke doctors to finally turn against the idiot. There is not one person in health care that believes it is acceptable to get your kids their primary care in the ED. He may have lost an entire industry here
This whole concept of “for profit” heathcare and health insurance is such a crock!
Oh yeah for profit wil give better “effeciencies” and lower costs.
Unfortunately that has translated into less care, higher costs and more money to investors than patients.
This privatazation crap has delivered higher prices and less services for every sector its been applied to….
peanutbutter @ 29
How do you fight wars of this magnitude without raising taxes to pay for it? “Shop”. That was the Bush prescription. And judging from the unbelievable debt we find ourselves in, it seems evident that many Americans fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Any Democrat that votes against the override should face a primary opponent.
Arca @ 36
Yes. That was the investors’ (and their enablers’) entire point.
Selise.. The EDNA analogy came to my mind a couple of days ago..)
How do fight wars without increasing taxes? You cut social spending and print money.
peanutbutter @ 10
i think it was edna, not the hate crimes act… but yeah – it looks like the same principle to me. why not fight for all kids? why leave out so many of the most needy? is it because they have brown skin?
Eureka Springs @ 40
so, i don’t get why we’re not pushing to have the immigrant kids covered too. doesn’t seem right to me… and if kucinich votes “no” on this one, i’m not sure he’s doing wrong….
Peterr @ 33 – nice one
Do you think Jenna or Babs jr. care about SCHIP?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
Tobacco industry don’t mind new taxes on their product. They understand addiction. Government will become addicted to tax revenues and will never allow FDA oversight on cigarettes.
My view: if you are going to tax cigarettes, 100% of the money should go to smoking cessation programs. And they should not be run by the tobacco companies.
Anything else, and you are partnering with some very evil people.
As to President Stuffed Codpiece, as you call him, maybe it is necessary for him to have a codpiece like that. Seems to me that declaring “Child Health Day” on a day when you veto SCHIP requires a pair of balls the size of a door-knocker.
selise @ 43
I couldn’t agree more.
Some are saying that Clusterfuck is doing this to prove that he’s a fiscal conservative. I disagree- he’s doin it to show that he’s not a lame duck….if he can get goopers to sustain his veto- he’s made his point- if NOT- he just took a short jump off a long pier. We’ll see how well he calculated…
His best scenario is that goopers hold the line and force a big reduction in the expense that he can then approve- gives goopers cover and proves that he ain’t limpin an quackin.
a little ot, I hope it’s ok, it’s about “whistleblowers”
everyone knows my main theme is “framing the discussion”, using the right terms that are more indicative of our goal
part of that campaign has been the term ‘whistleblower”
if you guys remember, for the longest while I have been saying we need to change that term, I have always said ‘whistleblower” has a negative conotation and I think we’d get more traction if we called them “watchdogs” instead of “whistleblowers”
I’ve been making that case whenever I see someone strike a conversation about “whistleblowing”
anyway, look at this from think progress
I don’t know if that new termology is because of me but I’m taking the credit anyway
selise @ 34
Yes, hence my question at #10. I’ve seen both announced in different places, so there’s some real confusion here.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 41
No, someone else may try that, but Bush won’t ever do that. Bush plans to pass it on to future Admins, thus spending the rest of his days as a glorious, cod-piece wearing ex-Preznit, gathering speaking fees and board fees while telling everyone that bad stuff didn’t happen on his watch.
OK Kiddo @ 37
That should have been a tipoff, right there: right after 9/11, Bush’s expressed primary interest inside the US was keeping business healthy.
Worst preznit we’ve had, and probably the worst we will have for the next century or so. He’ll get a place in history books, but not the one he wants.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 45
Do you think they even know about it?
Bush hasn’t reduced much of anything during his reign…”We’ve still got checks- how can we be out of money”.
Naw- the twins don’t know schitt.
rwcole @ 54
He’s reduced my patience with right-wing cretnism.
thanks eureka springs and peanutbutter… this morning i thought i was the only one crazy enough to think that excluding legal immigrant kids was really wrong. how are they going to get covered later? seems like pushing an inclusive bill is the way to go.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
The Tobacco Industry as a whole may be subsidized but I don’t believe the farmer’s are recipients of these subsidies any longer. And the last subsidies the farmer’s received were to transition them from relying on tobacco as a cash crop.
rwcole @ 48
Doesn’t matter – he became a lame duck when he got his second term. Everything else is decoration hiding the lameness of the scaly legs and webbed feet.
rwcole @ 54
He did reduce the tax burden on himself, his family, and his cronies. Got that MBA in tax cuttin’ Heh heh heh
Anyone else notice Amy Goodmans face on the television today? She is either on air with a lot of novocaine or something is terribly terribly wrong.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 45
Depends on what kind of dip it’s served with. And what drinks.
Off topic … but maybe not so much.
Via Calitics
DiFi in the Southland
Eureka Springs @ 61
Bell’s palsy (sp?)
peanutbutter @ 50
we need a copy of the actual language of the bill. i don’t trust anyone in congress enough not to want to read it for myself… and i’m worried that no one seems to have it. i hate lobbying for a bill that we haven’t read (or at least have in hand to skim).
OT;
We gonna have us some fun next week.
snip
http://apnews.myway.com/articl…..N7080.html
Right in downtown Portland…
Imagine, if you can, the complete and total gridlock this is going to cause.
Eureka Springs @ 61
she said it was bell’s palsy and that it wasn’t painful and should clear up in a couple weeks.
Well, bless her heart.
dakine01 @ 58
Who grows the tobacco? Or is that outsourced?
Tucker just said hewasn’t ashill for the R party. Good belly laugh.
“U.S. Farmers Rediscover the Allure of Tobacco,” by Lauren Etter, is about how tobacco farming has spiked in the U.S. in the three years since federal tobacco subsidies ended. Although the U.S. tobacco/cigarette industry has taken a few body blows, foreign demand is huge, and that is what’s driving a 20 percent increase in U.S. tobacco acreage since 2005. The article is incredibly well reported and well written, so you should read the whole thing; here’s a key quote: “Even factoring in higher labor and other costs, [Martin Ray Barbre]’s netting up to $1,800 an acre from his 150 acres of tobacco, compared with $250 an acre from his corn.” If I taught Econ. 101, I’d plan an entire class session around this article: it’s full of good lessons about economies of scale, unintended consequences, and allocation of resources.
Making good on his threat to block the additional $35 billion in funding over five years to boost the number of children covered under S-CHIP from 6.6 million to 10 million, Bush achieved three objectives – the perverbial hat trick – in one stroke of his veto pen.
First, the President teed up “socialized medicine” as the definitive 2008 GOP talking point in response to any new health care initiatives coming from the Democratic Party. Second, he extended the Republicans’ campaign of obstructionism at all costs, blocking Democratic successes at any cost in the hope of painting Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi as leaders of a “do-nothing” Congress. And last, George W. Bush kept intact his consistent record of fierce opposition to the popular children’s health insurance program dating back to his days as Governor of Texas.
For the details, see:
“Bush’s Hat Trick with S-CHIP Veto.”
I didn’t realize how inarticulate Rahm Emanuel is, he’s on PBS and he’s a blithering idiot.
It’s the same old thing. Politicians’ kids don’t fight in Iraq and they don’t have healthcare worries.
Bush’s upcoming autobiography:
Chapter 6: Why Mom and Dad voted for Kerry.
Tucker really isn’t a shill for the gooper party. He’s a libertarian- and he’s against the war and lots of the Bush attacks on the bill of rights- not to mention the war on drugs.
The trouble with him is that he’s just inept- and is constantly trying to placate his gooper viewers by attacking dems.
Killing children and others in Iraq seems to be the better deal for President Codpiece at this time. Spit.
raven @ 72
Harold Ford Jr. is another jerk in my opinion.
I wish I could reach through the tv & stuff a smelly sock in Tucker’s mouth. He was pretty frantic trying to keep Wes Clark from finishing his thoughts. Clark wasn’t having any of it. That, at least, was enjoyable to watch.
Wow Tucker Carlson had a spokesperson from media matters – and he acted just like McCarthy waved around papers and wouldn’t let the guy respond to all the poo he was flinging.
And Tucker lecturing anyone on journalistic standards. irony is dead.
Rahm ain’t exactly a silver tongued orator.
Blub @ 24
do you have a link to the text of the current version of the bill (the one that’s going to be voted on)? thanks!
“No Child Left Insured”
rwcole @ 75
He is not a libertarian. He poses as one.
He is a hardcore righwing nutjob with a flair for factless drivel he can turn into an irrelevant point
dov12348 @ 75
LMAO! Good one.
Sidebar…here’s what David Letterman said on his show:
Finally, President Bush is going to do something about global warming. He became alarmed when another chunk of ice fell off his mother.” –David Letterman
Tucker’s favorite trick is to claim that his opponent is being inconsistent..or hypocritical- even when he agrees with their position- or to pick a nit after he’s already swallowed the camel…
rwcole @ 71
I seeem to remember from my last visit to Monticello that tobacco depletes the soil badly, which was why many plantation owners had money troubles after awhile. I suppose today we’ve found a chemical solution for that problem.
Bustednuckles @ 66
Vigilant Shield 08 will be happening at the same time
yeah- I think that’s right- but it was cotton that ruined the soil and the pocketbooks of most plantation owners historically..
They started in Carolina and ruined the soil- on to Georgia and ruined the soil- then to Louisiana and ruined it again- then Texas.
Now cotton is grown in Arizona and California.
eCAHNomics @ 87
Yes. And that presents us with chemical ‘run-off’ problems.
“chemical solution”
fish heads
selise @ 65
The bill, as amended, passed and vetoed, is HR976.
(I hope this link works.)
I suppose it’s monoculture that ruins the soil, and thus applies to both tobacco & cotton.
SCHIP as a PDF – possibly not the final, but this includes the House markups
http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/L…..2607AC.pdf
dd)(1) For purposes of subsection (a)(46)(B)(ii), the requirements of this subsection with respect to an individual declaring to be a citizen or national of the United States for purposes of establishing eligibility under this title, are, in lieu of requiring the individual to present satisfactory documentary evidence of citizenship or nationality under section 1903(x) (if the individual is not described in paragraph (2) of that section), as follows:
`(A) The State submits the name and social security number of the individual to the Commissioner of Social Security as part of the plan established under paragraph (2).
`(B) If the State receives notice from the Commissioner of Social Security that the name or social security number of the individual is invalid, the State–
`(i) notifies the individual of such fact;
(ii) provides the individual with a period of 90 days from the date on which the notice required under clause (i) is received by the individual to either present satisfactory documentary evidence of citizenship or nationality (as defined in section 1903(x)(3)) or cure the invalid determination with the Commissioner of Social Security; and
`(iii) disenrolls the individual from the State plan under this title within 30 days after the end of such 90-day period if no such documentary evidence is presented.
`(2)(A) Each State electing to satisfy the requirements of this subsection for purposes of section 1902(a)(46)(B) shall establish a program under which the State submits each month to the Commissioner of Social Security for verification the name and social security number of each individual enrolled in the State plan under this title that month who has attained the age of 1 before the date of the enrollment.
Relevant text I think. Looks as if recipients need SS numbers- meaning that they would have to be legal immigrants.
rwcole @ 91
But we’ve depleted the fish. Just listening on tape to Cod-A Biography of the Fish that Changed the World.
(And it has a very funny section on the use of the term cod as a container, as in codpiece.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 69
I haven’t checked with folks back home but since the subsidies have ended, I’d imagine that a lot of farmers have stopped growing tobacco and others are looking at being able to grow as much as they want.
When I was in high school, farmers could only grow so many acres of tobacco and one of the available jobs was to “measure” tobacco. After training, you made appointments with the farmer and went with him and using cables and such figured out how much tobacco he was growing. If he was over the allowed acreage, you then went back and measured off the overage amount and watched the farmer plow it under. Usually he plowed under a section that was the weakest growing.
At some point in the late 70s/early 80s they switched to a poundage allotment which allowed the farmer to grow as much as desired but he could only sell a certain poundage each year.
Since then though IIRC all the price supports to tobacco have been ended so the tobacco sells for truly what the market will bear.
Ifill on Thomas v Hill
on NewsHour PBS
The trouble with Libertarians like Tucker, Neil Boortz and John Stossel is that they end up promoting the Rethug party by default.
Here’s more, from McClatchy:
You can read the full story over at Truthout,
an aggregator of some of the best news stories that deserves our support.
I like the way Thomma & Pew frame this issue, setting the SCHIP Scrooginess right next to the War profligacy (is that a word?)
Bob in HI
Crop rotation is in, an ideal world, a good way to go. But the problem is if you rotate from a couple of years of corn for example (a heavy nitrogen feeder) to say legumes (nitrogen fixating crops) like peanuts or beans, that it may cost more for the peanut or bean production than you will make. Depending upon the market for peanuts and beans. Hence, chemical feeding and or subsidies.
A friend of mine grew a few tobacco plants a couple of years ago. He was told by old timers to plant them where he didn’t want to grow anything else for a year or two afterwards. I think they claimed the nicotine or some other toxin produced by the tobacco plants poisoned the soil. Cotton plants upon maturation have five miles of roots and the plants do deplete the soil quickly. We had to rotate crops and fertilize heavily back in the last years cotton was grown on our farm in southern AR.
KayInMaine @ 85
Ha! Bush seems like the type who you couldn’t drag into An Inconvenient Truth unless maybe Gore made a musical out of it.
rwcole @ 54
His checking account doesn’t balance. Time to take away his Gov’t credit card, and put him on an allowance.
Bob in HI
In argung over SCHIP on tonight’s NewsHour, Rahm Emanuel was weak. Eric Kantor (sp) was so smooth he could sell tobacco on a cancer ward.
Kantor repeated his MOD (message of the day) more than a dozen times – Poor Kids First, whatever that means in practice to an empathy-less George Bush. But his passion came in claiming that 1.6 million kids would come off private insurance and become insured under this program, which is not the heart of the program, which is the un- and underinsured.
If Kantor’s number is accurate, that’s a considerable indictment of current health insurance practices. Presumably, families would switch because SCHIP is better or cheaper or both. If the TVA generated electricity at a third of the cost of a GE, anybody who could buy it would, and cut off GE like the top of an Appalachian mountain. The difference in cost obviously doesn’t go to generating electricity, but inefficient overhead costs and private profit.
The bottom line is that if private insurers could offer more coverage to more people for less, they would have done so. Their business model is the flaw. They don’t represent the nominal buyer of health care – the consumer – they represent the employer and themselves. Their objective is not to deliver the best health care for the available money; it is to delliver the cheapest health care for the least money, so that they maximize their profits. They are working directly at odds with their nominal customer and employers who pay for it – a cost that is not an employer’s benefit but an in-kind compensation to their workers.
SCHIP’s promise, beyond partially satisfying a desperate need for more coverage, is to shine a spotlight on how much better we could deliver health care by focusing on that, rather than by delivering ever more restrictive health insurance to fewer people at greater profit.
I’m sure that Alaska’s dirty three in Congress all voted for SCHIP knowing that they could come back here and tout their vote, and knowing full well that the House votes won’t be there for the override. I wouldn’t put it past Don Young to lobby for GOP congressmen to NOT change their votes to the pro-SCHIP setup behind-the-scenes, but vote FOR it on the floor.
There are tons of tobacco products availabe in the retail stores of America. Someone is growing the tobacco. And the U.S. govenment still subsidizes tobacco to over $550,000,000 per year.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 101
Isn’t that why Native Americans planted their corn, beans and squash together, in mounds? The corn stalk also gives the beans something to climb. Monoculture (whole fields devoted to a single crop) makes it easy on machines, but hard on Momma Nature.
Bob in HI
on Tobacco
Botanical Pest Control
I agree with DDay
Speaking of omniculture, I’m in for a break from pulling the last of our beets, potatoes, cabbage, zucchini, mint, rosemary and parsley from the ground. It got down to 28 degress last night, and it will probably go below 25 tonight. Making a big compost heap with the waste. Come on up and pee on it if you wish, fellow pups.
NICOTINE
Nicotine, derived from tobacco species, is one of the most toxic substances sold for use in the garden. It is extremely fast-acting, causing sever disruption and failure of the nervous system. In its pure form, Nicotine is easily absorbed through the eyes, skin and mucous membranes, and is very dangerous. If eaten, it is only slightly less hazardous.
Nicotine is used in greenhouses as a fumigant and in gardens as a contact poison to control soft-bodied sucking insects such as aphids, thrips and mites. It is effective on young scales and squash bugs, leafhoppers, pear psyllids, mealybugs, leaf miners, lace bugs and larvae of asparagus beetle and fungus gnat.
For any gardener, Nicotine Sulfate must be a weapon of last resort. Yet there are at least two characteristics to be counted in its favor:
First, no insect has ever developed an immunity to this poison.
Secondly, Nicotine sulfate biodegrades rapidly and has little residual effect.
For best results, add four teaspoons of horticultural spray oil per gallon of diluted Nicotine Sulfate. Keep your body and limbs covered, and wear protective gloves, goggles and mask when applying this product.
from the above link
Great! The Chimp has declared “Child Health Day”. Somebody needs to tell him it was supposed to be “PAY for Childrens’ Health Day
Margaret @ 113
His unintentional sense of irony is just so endearing.
NOT!
Margaret @ 112
He declared this today?
bobschacht @ 108
I still use the bean up the corn (Silver Queen)stalk method, for pole beans. Obviously I don’t for bush beans. And Lahoma plants her squash on mounds. ;0)
Randy Bayne
Peterr @ 92
excellent linking *g*
thanks. there are 7 versions of that bill… if it is the last one, i will read that one and compare it to an earlier version that kucinich voted for. but it will take a bit as ianal.
President Bush said this:
“Why, all they have to do is go to the emergency room.”
Reminds me of:
“Let them eat cake”
Here in Southwestern Oklahoma we grow four crops mostly. Dry land cotton, winter wheat, peanuts and sudan. My family does all four crops. As well as cattle.
rwcole @ 95 –
which version are you looking at? and is there anything that would affect legal immigrant children?
thanks!
Quebecois @ 119
shorter W, to kids:
“Suture self.”
The man’s arrogance is breathtaking.
New Jane upstairs about the fat lady maybe singing for the fat postule.
Well, hope they get an over-ride…but, who knows. Looks like my beloved D teamers, ONCE AGAIN, have shot themselves in the foot on their strategy. The 2 big hang-ups seem to be:
1. funding health care for the illegals
2. smoking tax
Stupid, stupid, stupid. Even within FDL the whole immigration issue is not at all in agreement. VERY stupid for Congress to try and sneak this proviso thru. Regardless of the morality of it…..stupid strategy.
Same goes for the smoking tax. Stupid. If you don’t like cigarettes/cigars….then fine. That’s your business. But trying to tag it along with a child health-care bill only gives more Congress members a reason to vote against. Again….bad strategy by my D team.
My D team needs to learn how to WIN….not how to take moral high ground….which doesn’t get you jack.
Ghostman
It’s not my enemies that worry me. It’s my damn friends that keep me up at night.
-Author Unknown
Besides a good news roundup, Truthout also gathers up some of the best editorials, some written by Truthout journalists. In this one, Leslie Griffith, with a tip of the hat to Dan Rather, provides a brief tutorial on how the “news” business of today got to where it is.
The viewpoint is one that Firepups will recognize and mostly agree with. We can just hope that Leslie is correct in identifying Rather as the new Lone Ranger (my metaphor, not his, even though Mapes as Tonto doesn’t really work all that well.) Leslie’s image is more of Rather as a Texas Ranger, which is a powerful image to those who remember the days when Texas Rangers were all the Law a Texan could ask for. Unfortunately, I think Commander Codpiece thinks the shoe fits himself.
Bob in HI
perris @ 49
More power to you. Dem’s inability to frame the debate is mind-boggling. Let’s call the Webb Amendment the “Troop Rest and Readiness Act.” Let’s call Bush’s SCHIP veto “the War on Children. To do that, you need strong party leaders who instill some party discipline. (Are you listening, Harry, Nancy and Steny?)
Ghostman @ 125
well, if we don’t care about the moral high ground winning doesn’t get us jack either.
why do we have to choose? can’t we be smart about doing the right thing? and if this modified bill is the right thing, then why not be honest about what it does and does not do and make the case for why this bill is the right thing?
sometimes doing the right thing can help us win in the long run… or at least i’d like to see it tried.
Bush’s responds:
Ya see, for each dollar we don’t waste saving some damn kid, we get to spend it on killing one troop. That way we can keep the war going until I retire! Pave the road to my retirement with the dead!
Ted Rall’s take on how the Democraps actually do it:
http://www.gocomics.com/rallcom/
Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
Why?
Do we also subsidize gun manufacturers?
Porn publishers?
etc.
I am in total shock because here I sit in the middle of PA, with its wide swath of red running down the blue state, and my congresscritter voted YES. I am amazed, and will drop him a note thanking him for that vote and urging him if it comes to a vote again to repeat his affirmative vote. This is the 19th District of PA which practically NEVER EVER votes against Bush.
Anna Belle @ 30
Don’t blame yourself. Sometimes we just get lied to. Simple as that.
Just don’t vote for him again and listen in to conversations on blogs like this one to get ideas of which candidates might be good to go.
P J Evans @ 52
‘…like something stuck to the sole of a good man’s shoe’ — sorta quoting Bill Murray in the movie The Man Who Knew Too Little
raven @ 73
Yep.
He speaks too fast.
He isn’t articulate.
His statements are confusing.
At the end they looked like a used-car salesman and a sleazy banker trying to get us to buy something. Makes me wanna throw up.
hackworth @ 99
If, for once, they noticed the recent NeoCon Republicans haven’t been the party of Eisenhower or Teddy Roosevelt or Lincoln, then they might see it as sensible to either win with Ron Paul, sit out the general election or swing over and vote for a Democrat to avoid further problems from today’s Republicans.
I’m hoping they give it their all with Ron Paul and if he fails they switch hit Democratic. That would certainly show the Republicans the cost of getting out of control.
Quebecois @ 119
Was Bush advocating that the poor should ignore the bills?
A lot of people have gone bankrupt from those bills.
I havent been here in a very long time – it is nice to visit briefly and see how energized you all are. Anyway, I truly think this veto was all about Bush’s revengeon his own. He wants to screw them come the next election and picking something so popular to veto just makes all the sweeter. Bush is and always has been a selfabsorbed spoiled boy with a massive chip on his shoulder. I expect more spitefulness as time goes on.