Russ Feingold proves he’s maybe the only one in the Senate who can read a fucking poll:
One question that I keep getting asked by reporters is why Democrats aren’t reaching out to moderate Republicans to come up with some sort of consensus legislation. I also see stories criticizing the Democratic leadership for failing to bring in Republican moderates to pass legislation. My response is simple — what good is getting 60 or 67 votes to pass a nonbinding Sense of the Senate resolution on Iraq that doesn’t bring the troops home? When I hold my town hall meetings in Wisconsin, nobody is asking me to push for an empty compromise. They ask me how we can finally end this war. This summer we heard a growing chorus of Republicans call for change in Iraq but their words have proven to be empty. If members are serious about changing course in Iraq, Feingold-Reid is the surest way to do it.
The American people have been clear in what they want — an end to this war. Last November, Democrats were saying all the right things but now it’s time to follow through. I know some of my colleagues want to avoid any Iraq debate on the Defense appropriations bill. Sorry, but Iraq is the most important issue we face and the Senate must address it as we take up the Defense spending bill this week. That’s why I will again be offering an amendment to set a deadline for bringing our troops home. I intend to do so today.
Well he’s got the support of Chris Dodd at the very least.
Feingold is clearly having his arm twisted to STFU and let the Democrats kick the can down the street and deal with the defunding debate in January. As I mentioned not long ago, “Democratic Strategist” Doug Schoen has Harry Reid’s ear and his wisdom is clearly infecting a leadership salivating over potential electoral gains in 2008:
Right now, Democrats clearly have the ‘08 advantage. The American people are fed up with George Bush and the Republicans. Democrats have opened up double-digit leads on party identification and the generic congressional vote.
But the Democratic Party is also vulnerable on Iraq, where the lead over the Republicans dropped 10 percent in August to a narrow four percent margin. Rather than harp on the withdrawal, the Democrats should continue to strike a bipartisan tone and refocus the debate to other international and domestic issues. This will help them carry the day in November 2008.
And that pile of dead bodies that will be mounting between now and January? Don’t mind them.
Feingold is making a bold move. If the MoveOn amendment can make it to the floor, this one can too.
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Hello, Jane!
OK so we have 1, that is ONE, Senator with balls.
Of course, while writing , I realize that the shrub would consider 1 a mandate
I read on KOS that Speaker Pelosi has ruled out any “War Tax.” When has any nation fought a war and didn’t have to raise taxes? And what better way to end the war than to force Bush to either bring the troops home or sign into law a new tax?
Feingold up now on C-Span 2 speaking in support of his Amendment.
Somehow, I think there’s been more than enough f*ck-ups occurred since ‘01 that most people already understand who is to blame.
So it’s beyond time to start letting off some of that dry powder and bring these people to account for their crimes.
Oh! and {{{{{JANE!}}}}}
RRRAAAAAWWWWWW!
((((JANE))))
I nominate ‘fuck’ for the word of the day.
In honor of the ‘foul-mouthed fem blog’ label.
This is what is so frustrating. Just what in hell did my party think last November’s vote was all about. It was about Iraq you stupid and arrogant Democrats. And as for the two front runners? Fuck you.
Do you think the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq until civil order is restored there, even if that means continued U.S. military casualties; OR, do you think the United States should withdraw its military forces from Iraq in order to avoid further U.S. military casualties, even if that means civil order is not restored there?” Options rotated
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Keep Forces Withdraw
Forces Unsure
% % %
9/27-30/07
43 54 3
7/18-21/07
39 59 3
4/12-15/07
42 56 2
2/22-25/07
42 56 2
1/16-19/07
46 52 3
Can soneone please supply a one sentence summary of the Feingold ammendment?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. No one has voted yet. A lot of material and BS that have descended on Americans since the 2006 vote have been from (mostly Beltway) MSM and from candidates running for president and members of Congress running either to retain their seats or unseat an incumbent. In 2006, majority of Americans voted to end this war and also for change in most respects. I believe in 2008, more Americans will vote the same way, barring unforseen events (like a terrorist attack by Al-Qaeda in the US–and even that there’s no guarantee).
Not one vote has been cast yet.
Biodun @ 12
Thanks Bio. That cannot be said enough!
kdh22 @ 8
I Second That Fuckotion
Fuck is the word of the day.
Is it a verb or a noun?
The guy in the white house is a dumb fuck.
He’s fucking over poor children with his veto of the SCHIP.
I had a call last night from the CA Dem party asking for money. Told them I gave 3 or 4 times last year and would gladly give twice as much now but only after we get out of Iraq. Told her Dems not holding up what was promised for in Nov, ‘06.
She said ‘but we lost due to the filibusters to change course’. Responded dems are in the majority in both houses. You want to go out to eat and to the ball game you need money. Same with Bush, no money, no war. Just keep sending up funding bills with deadlines and let Bush veto them. It’s his war, let him own with his vetos.
.
“There’s been a proposal to remove these additional U.S. forces from Iraq by next summer, returning to the earlier level of about 130 thousand U.S. troops. Do you think the number of U.S. forces in Iraq should be reduced more quickly than this, more slowly, or is this about the right pace of troop reductions?”
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More Quickly More Slowly Right Pace Should Not Be
Reduced (vol.) Unsure
% % % % %
9/27-30/07
43 12 38 2 5
A majority of americans want the US to pull out of Iraq- but when you ask em “when?” you get a different answer- in this polling, 50% think that we’re either moving to quickly or at the right pace in withdrawing.
A lot are buying the White House version of reality still.
Check out this long video… some very interesting stuff there:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Sort of make you think about what is going down on a macro level.
Does anyone know if this vote will be all about cloture, up or down, or what?
Shorter Junya: “In the famous words of Mary Antwon…hmmmm…Marc Antony?…hmmmm…well fuck, let them eat ponies.”
BigMitch @ 15
That’s the true beauty of the word, now isn’t it? Verb, noun, pronoun, adjective, etc. Always appropriate – at least when discussing politics.
And that pile of dead bodies that will be mounting between now and January? Don’t mind them.
You’d think that’d create a sense of urgency.
“We don’t have the votes…” is the Democratic election platform for 2008!
Russ Feingold just offered the latest version of his ‘End The Iraq Occupation’ amendment (#3164) on the Senate floor. He’s still speaking now (C-SPAN 2).
His amendment is filed on the FY 2008 Defense Appropriations Bill which has not yet passed (only the Authorization bill has passed, which is not actual funding authority).
This is the last chance to use the giant leverage of either the Defense Authorization or Defense Appropriations Bill to attach a meaningful amendment ending our occupation of Iraq. [Harry Reid is pushing this appropriations bill to a vote for final passage today or tomorrow, after a day and a half of debate.]
There may be two hours of debate on the measure – one hour per side – but unfortunately, I think Inouye just got a UC agreement to require 60 votes on Feingold’s amendment (Reid had wanted no Iraq amendments on this bill, I believe, so I guess this is his way of splitting the baby in half), meaning the amendment is already doomed to fail.
Kinda on topic – it’s a fucking poll:
Poll: Edwards Ahead Of Republicans … In Oklahoma!
Just had to get that in. Oklahoma Kiddo, where are you?
BigMitch @ 15
old but still funny: The history of the word fuck
(not safe for work)
Kiddo is teachin our children-
Roxanne @ 22
Fuck no, Roxanne. There’s no sense of urgency in this misadministration.
In fact, there’s no fucking sense whatsoever amongst the lot of ‘em.
Biodun @ 12
Hell, if things get any worse it may end up being Al Quaeda who are greeted as liberators.
ooooo…..I’m a terrorist loving foul mouthed feminazi!! Someone stop me before I lose a war!
Why the hell isn’t Feingold running for President? He is one of the few Senators you can point to that consistantly gets it right.
Did I mention I love me some Russ Feingold?
Thanks for bringing this up Jane!
No timetable, no funding. No excuses.
Timetables (and the Webb Amendment, which needs a catchier name) need to be attached to every bill that hits Chimpy’s desk until he signs.
Smgumby @ 30
yeah, why isn’t he? I’ve asked that b4 and no one seems to know.
kdh22 @ 8
In that case, fuck the fucking fucks who fuck everything the fuck up.
Someone stop me before I lose a war!
I think we’re fresh out of wars in need of losing – for the moment.
edit: Obviously I meant fucking wars in need of losing.
rwcole @ 27
He was just here at 9:25! Maybe class has started?
oddmommy @ 32
Why isn’t Feingold running the Senate instead of Harry Reid?
oddmommy @ 29
THEY will.
Didn’t Bill O’Really threaten to strangle everybody helping AQ help us lose this war, a few days ago?
The death and destruction in Iraq is criminal and we are responsible (even if we stood against it)
Iran is next if there is not either a military coup (which some say is taking place), Impeachment of the P or VP or the American people against the ongoing Iraqi war (70%) and against a pre-emptive strike on Iran need to get out on the streets on Oct 27th in the millions….MILLIONS
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
If you have not all ready participated in one of the many marches before the invasion and after, you may be surprised by who else is out on the streets marching. Please spread the word.
We have had ENOUGH (the Iraqi people sure have) Come out on the streets on Oct 27th!
read this re Blackwater. It’s awful. An iraqi cop’s version of exactly what happened in the recent shooting. Shocking.
And I got a robo call from Hillary last nite during dinner hour asking for $200.08 dollars, get it? I pressed 1, got a person and said no $$ for Hillary until she vows to get us out of Iraq ASAP and to speak out against another war with Iran.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..index.html
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“There may be two hours of debate on the measure – one hour per side – but unfortunately, I think Inouye just got a UC agreement to require 60 votes on Feingold’s amendment (Reid had wanted no Iraq amendments on this bill, I believe, so I guess this is his way of splitting the baby in half), meaning the amendment is already doomed to fail.”
What is this Fuckery?
May
Maybe he has a laptop on his desk in the classroom.
oddmommy @ 14
The buildup to a pre-emptive strike on Iran
Deja FUCKING Vu!
ramjet @ 23
In Congress, yes. But Dems have the votes among Americans.
kathleen @ 38
What’s happenin’ on the 27th?
OT – the whitehouse has posted chimpy S-CHIP veto statement: Message to the House of Representatives
rwcole @ 40
Yeah, for sure, he posts from school sometimes.
I would so love to be a fly on the wall in OKk’s class….
btw, OKk, if you’re out there….what subject do you teach, and what grade? (If that is not too intrusive a question.) Wish my kids could be in your class!
oddmommy @ 32
The reason no one seems to know…is that no one knows. (How’s that for tautology?)
pow wow @ 24
This is the part I don’t understand…why doesn’t Feingold himself stomp down the UC agreement, if it only takes one objection?
twolf1 @ 44
Two words, George. (Everybody now) FUCK YOU!
twolf1 @ 44
he says that “wrong direction” thing twice. Otherwise, the statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Feingold has always been spot-on with respect to getting our troops home…
One of my own senators (Pryor-Wuss) is as spineless as they come…voting way too often with the GOP…
Last November I felt better than ever about the projected change in course of leadership in our country…
But almost a year later (and how many more dead troops?) we have squat to show for it…
I’m just sorry that Russ isn’t running for President…
Slightly OT – isn’t Boosh supposedly gonna veto the Defense Appropriations Bill anyway on accounta the Kennedy Hate-Crimes Amendment?
This poll question is pretty tricky..
Dems do NOT have the votes with the american people to withdraw immediately- they PROBABLY have the votes with the american people to BEGIN a PHASED withdrawal—but Clusterfuck succeeded in muddying THAT issue by announcing that he’s DOING that.
As usualy- americans are divided and confused on WHEN troops should start coming home and on what schedule…
Usually when asked- they say “in a year”- but then a year passes and they STILL say “within a year”.
Dems don’t have to wait for the public to reach consensus- they never will- but it’s not quite accurate to say that the american people want us out now.
Biodun @ 47
I seem to remember him saying something about aspects of his past that might be troublesome in a presidential campaign. I think there may be people in his life he does not want to put through this particular wringer.
George, you wouldn’t know a wrong direction on a one-way street to a brick wall.
Mad Dogs @ 33
Fanfuckingtastic!
oddmommy @ 32
Maybe next time around Feingold for Pres. How about VP for now.
How about a Feingold/Webb or Webb/Feingold ticket. Feingold voted against the Kyl/Lieberman amendment. Thank you Senator Feingold
Two words, George. (Everybody now) FUCK YOU!
With four-part harmony – and Feeling!!
Blub @ 50
Slightly OT, but the Bushism that makes me grind my teeth is “the way forward.” Whether he says it, or Tony Snow, or Dana Perino, it’s just so fucking rigid and condenscending. /rant
oddmommy @ 32
I could guess that he is unwilling to sell out to the needed moneymonsters
Biodun @ 42
the “Innocent Bystander Fable”… is bullshit.
It’s CYA for not doing what they don’t want to do anyway; restore habeas, end the war, demand accountability, even their foot-dragging ‘investigations’ that are predictably stonewalled.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..65980.html
kathleen @ 57
I really really don’t think that President Webb would be a good idea. He’s pretty conservative.
poor little Dana Perino. She’s such a pitiful excuse for a Tony Snow.
Per TPM, Leahy is backing off White House document production.
Can I have a short list of Dems with stones (or equivalent in women)?
Russ Feingold
Dennis Kuchinich
Chris Dodd, maybe
NOT: DiFi, HRC, Reid, Pelosi, Leahy
Blub @ 43
Click this link
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PLEASE COME PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD. LET’S GET MILLIONS OUT ON THE “FUCKING” STREETS. ENOUGH!
oddmommy @ 63
And Tony Snow was a pitiful excuse for a human being.. which makes Dana Perino, what on the scale of pitifulness? I still think shrub should recruit O’Really to be the new Mouth of Sauron.. and put the full craven brutality of his presidency out into the open
what goopers HATE the most is a social program that benefits the MAJORITY- they can deal with those that only benefit the POOR- cause eventually they figure they can shit can em- but if they benefit the great majority of unwashed heathens- well that’s a catastrophe- cause goopers will get skewered when they try to eliminate em. Hence the Clusterfuck veto.
Re: the word f*ck:
It took a little digging but here is the original text of the Feingold-Reid Amendment:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.go…..is.txt.pdf
Didn’t Feingold say he couldn’t/wouldn’t run for president because he’d been married too many times–and the Republicans are sporting Giuliani?
And what does Dan Froomkin at the WaPo have to say?
Jane, you are earning a fucking reputation for…being fucking right.
jayt @ 52
So if he doesn’t get exactly what he wants he’ll veto it? Why in the world can’t the Dems make some hay out of that?
Blub @ 66
Let me just say
FUCK Dana Peroxide!
My disdain for her knows no bounds.
RichardCA @ 16
I have a friend in CT who, when the state Democratic Party calls for money, asks if Joe Lieberman’s picture is still up on the office wall. When they say “yes” he says he’ll give when they take it down and hangs up.
He’s a purist.
If Russ was running for prez- he’d be another voice like Kucinich- limpin along at 1 or 2% and sayin some smart things. Better to have him payin attention to business in the senate in my opinion.
Fern @ 62
On certain issues, perhaps….but he is by no means a “family values” fuckhole. ANd he does hate this fucking war,EVEN THOUGH he was wrong about Vietnam. (ok raven?)
I was reading a novel from 1982 last night and seeing stuff in it that’s relevant to current politics. (Courtship Rite, by Donald Kingsbury.)
Not that anyone in Congress seems to be able to read anything other than a donation check or a poll that agrees with what they’ve already decided to do. Well, nobody except Feingold.
I’d be happier with Webb if I didn’t see him voting, repeatedly, for stuff that prolongs the war.
mighty mouse @ 70
We’ll give Ghouliani that one!
I am still a Democrat (barely, and perhaps one big botched opportunity away from permanent defection to Independent status), but my true allegiance is to what Russ Feingold represents.
I like to say that I am not a member of the Democratic party, I am a member of the Russ Feingold Party.
Go, Russ, go.
Fern @ 63
Fiscally conservative, conservative with peoples lives. I can dig it. He voted against the 2002 war resolution.. he has pushed an amendment to force the Bush administration to have to come back through congress before they can start another “fucking” war. He pushed for more down time for soldiers who are serving in this “fucking” war based on a “a pack of lies” If this is a conservative give me more more more.
JFC!
if the Ds don’t make a difference on iraq policy… if the R policies continue without real opposition.. why in hell would the Ds think they’d have any advantage over the Rs? pretty soon there will be no lead – because there’s no actual difference to what happens in iraq.
MayDaze @ 35
Fyi: All our classrooms have two computers. And I have one of my laptops. And… each teacher has a ‘planning period’ plus a lunch hour. My planning gets done at home as well as correcting tests, quizes, and homework. School begins at 8:00 am. Teachers are here at 7:00 am. We leave at four or five in the afternoon. My house is open to any kid in our school on one weekend per month for tutoring and swimming by my lady and me. Want to help our children be competitive? Volunteer in your local public school. ;0)
Jane Hamsher @ 74
OMG that’s perfect!
rwcole @ 75
I agree – he is an excellent and effective senator.
Dodd is on CSPAN2 now talking about cutting off funding for the war.
I remember the old Brooklyn Dodgers yearly lament in those dark past pennat races. “Dem Bums is Dead!”
Well try this on- Dem Dems is Dead.
They won’t even hold their majoritys!
No veto overrides;no major bills passed; no war stoppage; no actions resulting from the myriad of hearings; no gender job protection for all; no denial of appointments to judgeships; What a joke.
THE DEMS IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!
So if he doesn’t get exactly what he wants he’ll veto it?
that sounds about right.
“became vulgar?”
Interesting question. To become “vulgar” is- to become common- like the “vulgate” in which the greek of the scriptures was translated to everyday latin for the common people.
So “fuck” became “vulgar” in that sense whenever it became a part of the common speech. Of course the lords n ladies tended to distance themselves from “vulgar” speech.
What’s left of “vulgar” in this country? People who DON’T wear ties?
Fern @ 84
Know what you’re best at and be the best at it.
While in California for a week I’ve talked with a lot of people about politics, asked their opinions: clerks, taxi drivers, etc. Their eyes kinda glaze over when I mention the politicization of the Justice Department, but as soon as I say we are working to end the war, they come alive.
I keep hearing, “well I’m a Republican, but I oppose this war.” We are definitely the majority. Congress: get to work!
oddmommy @ 63
You can’t feel sorry for someone who takes a job with full knowledge and foresight that she’s got to:
1. lie like hell all the time.
2. aid an adminstration that hurts people on so many levels.
3. hope in her black heart that people actually believe the bullsh*t and will let it stand.
kathleen @ 80
I didn’t think he was in congress in 2002 – wasn’t he just elected in the last election?
oddmommy @ 63
At least she’s pretty. She disguises her inarticulation behind the fast delivery of words that spews out of her mouth..
kathleen @ 80
he didn’t actually vote against the war in ‘02, good Kathleen…he wasn’t in the Senate then. But I know whatcha mean…he spoke out against it from the getgo.
Ish @ 31
The Webb amendment needs a mascot. Spiderman, where are you?
BigMitch @ 15
It is a verb and a noun, in fact it can be used in many different ways … tune into Late Nite tonight for all the uses of “Fuck” !
kdh22 @ 74
Just looked her up on wiki.. didn’t realize she’s so young.. only 35
hackworth @ 91
We’re talking about someone who was Scott-Bot McLellan’s back-up, but wasn’t ready to step up, so they went out and got the odious Tony Snow instead. Then he split, and Dana, third-string prevaricator, was they only player left on the bench. She’s their 4th-string liar.
Blub @ 97
Just how they like ‘em in the R party…young, naive and easily manipulated. She, however, is not a Regency grad. How odd.
When the Anbar Sunnis turned against AQ-Iraq the United States won the war.
That’s right.
The last standing rationale — the prevention of an Al Qaeda take-over of Iraq — was resolved when the Sunnis decided they hated AQ-Iraq MORE than they hated Americans.
That’s a lot of hate.
No way Al Qaeda can take over a government when the vast majority of Muslims hate them more than anyone.
We won! War is over! Bring the troops home NOW!
selise @ 81
ayup. It should be remembered that the Axiom of Automatic Support for the Least Worst is strongest in places like this, Donkey Exasperation Societies where venting is allowed but the underlying faiths are not questioned.
Elsewhere, folks can simply see for themselves that both options suck, neither will work to make needed changes happen, so why bother?
This may not even show up in polling, where you want to appear to be engaged, knowledgable, and care.
Feingold up on CSPAN2
pb @ 48 and mc @ 39 -
This is a ‘non-filibuster filibuster’ (the 60-vote UCAgreement). I’m only going on the tone in Harry Reid’s voice late yesterday on the floor: he said he was ‘protecting the troops in case anything happens in the next day or two’ (or words to that effect) and then pointedly filed a cloture motion, which would limit further debate on the underlying bill if 60 votes agreed.
Reid spoke in a tone I believe he reserves for the media and principled Democrats (he never speaks to the Republicans that way). And, as Cochran just showed – the Republicans know damn well this defense spending bill is leverage (because Bush would not want to veto it) and want no such Iraq amendments attached to it. So I think that cloture motion was aimed directly at Feingold, by Reid.
Meaning: Feingold was given no real choice [especially when the Democratic caucus as a whole is still unwilling to actually end our occupation of Iraq, as Feingold knows]. Harry Reid is prepared to push the bill through to final passage, so Reid isn’t about to make the Republicans actually filibuster the Feingold amendment or to enforce caucus discipline when Republicans try to cut off debate (there’s a week-long holiday coming up and all sorts of other convenient excuses…); Reid would get at least 15 Democrats to come along with him on his motion to limit debate – so Feingold could object to the UCs, yet never get his amendment on the floor for debate at all, and the overall bill would proceed to final passage tomorrow anyway (unless Feingold got the floor and held it). The way I read the tea leaves, anyway.
Back room deals – nothing’s what it seems to be…
Bush slaughters brown and black babies. The Bush clan must be so fucking proud of clusterfuck. He’s a dedicated fucking Christian Jihadist just like Eric Prince. May they fuck each other eternally in the fucking iciest part of fucking hell.
if more senators (and representatives) held town halls like russ does, maybe they wouldn’t be so fucking clueless.
P J Evans @ 78
It’s called Warner’s Syndrome. He supports the troops so much he’s willing to do whatever is necessary to keep them in a war where they are exhausted and die for nothing.
Blub @ 97
You call 35 “so young”? *g*
The October Surprise wherein the sphere of conventional wisdom becomes striated, twisted and inverted is nigh. It happens quickly and it is distinguished by the sequestration of the erstwhile outer surface by the complete elucidation of the inner surface.
As SanderO’s link suggests, those who seek to maintain authority at the expense of truth will find nothing more than darkness and disquiet.
Welcome to the New Phase. It isn’t going to be easy but it has been 400 years in the making. We are about to experience the eighth wonder of the world — the fulfillment of the Last quatrain which is the obsequious inversion of the old order.
This is because we are at the vanishing point!
Hi Jane and Pups. Very late to the Lake today. I received an absolutely infuriating letter from Sen. Voinovich this week, basically pretending to “educate” me on several issues, and that assuring me he is taking a “wait and see” attitude toward [name the issue; anything will fit].
I have hardly been able to function, I am so furious. I couldn’t write him, because no words came to mind that were printable.
Finally, a spewable rant. It probably won’t change his mushycerebralmatter, but I feel better than if I’d put my fist through our newly painted wall. The letter:
now there’s one I almost could feel sorry for
– Scott McLellan. He always looked genuinely pained behind that podium.
petwrecker @ 104
NICE!!!!
twolf1 @ 26
707!!!Thanks for the humor!
Biodun @ 107
To us old farts it is. 35 is a long time ago. *g*
Hugh @ 106
I keep yelling about Webb.
kdh22 @ 100
At least Commissar Goodling might really be blonde. I actually don’t see anything in Perino’s published CV which indicates she’s a koolaid drinking true believer.. possibly just a merc
sporkovat @ 101
wtf have i or anyone here done to deserve this?
MayDaze @ 114
No shit, I wish I were 55!
Biodun @ 108
She is just one more “skirt” for georgie to hide behind. Condi, Mary, Laura, baba, Abu…a long list.
oddmommy @ 111
He was always grimmacing like…well, I won’t go there.
oddmommy:
Re: Feingold for president: here’s your answer:
raven @ 114
thank you. i think you are making progress.
MayDaze @ 114
I’m actually a couple of yrs yonger than that, but then again, I’m not the Mouth of Sauron
kdh22 @ 112
and remember db showed how he fucks his mother; she’s the real deal a fucker of black and brown people the fucking world over!
kdh22 @ 74
I would.
As Senator Strom Thurmond is alleged to have said, “The pecker knows no prejudice.”
Blub @ 116
Ohhhhh she’s a koolaid drinker all right! In fact, I think she was baptized in the stuff!
BigMitch @ 124
This does not surprise me Mitch.
You guys can’t help what you are.
BigMitch @ 125
Jeeze, Dodd and Feingold are doing their level best in the Senate to get us out of this stupid fu**ing war and here we are talking about peroxide and peckers….
erino was born in Evanston, Wyoming, and grew up in Denver, Colorado. She attended Ponderosa High School in Parker, Colorado, a suburb of Denver.[1] Perino graduated from the University of Southern Colorado (now known as Colorado State University-Pueblo) in 1994 with a bachelor’s degree in mass communications and minors in both political science and Spanish. While attending the university, Perino was active on the debate team and with KTSC-TV, the campus-based PBS affiliate where she served as host of Capitol Journal, a weekly summary of Colorado politics, and producer of Standoff, a weekly public affairs program. From there, Perino attended graduate school at the University of Illinois at Springfield (UIS). Perino obtained her masters at UIS in Public Affairs Reporting while also working as a daily reporter covering the Illinois Capitol for WCIA-TV, a CBS affiliate.
Perino then went on to work in Washington, D.C., for Representative Scott McInnis of Colorado as a staff assistant before serving nearly four years as the press secretary for Rep. Dan Schaefer (R-CO-Retired), who then chaired a House Commerce subcommittee on Energy and Power.
After Representative Schaefer announced his retirement, Perino moved to England to marry businessman Peter McMahon [1]. After a year in England, Perino and McMahon moved back to the United States and resided in San Diego, California, for three years. During that time, Perino worked in the field of high-tech public affairs.
In November 2001, Perino returned to Washington, D.C. to serve as a spokesperson for the Department of Justice. Several months later, she was asked to join the White House where she served as the Director of Communications for the White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ). By statute, the CEQ oversees the implementation of the National Environmental Policy Act, where all federal agencies must complete environmental assessments on their activities before they take action.
selise @ 122
I hear ya all the time, Raven. You know.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffooooooey!
I see my earlier comment was out of place.
pleeze skeeeuse. *g*
BigMitch @ 124
Nor self-respect, evidently.
Bimbo on MSNBC talking to an eyewitness to the road buckling, “We understand that this is a very high end area, homes costing one, two million dollars. Can you tell me, are there any injuries?” So, if it was in the hillside in Tijuana, who would give a. . .fuck?
oddmommy @ 111
I used to feel the way you do until I saw him on TDS, still spewing all the NeoCon talking points …
and realized Scotty was putting up an act all along …
BTW, did you see Jon take Tweety apart last night ?
ooops my previous is sarcastic not accusatory sorry
nomolos @ 127
Every body needs some release from time to time. exhale
selise @ 117
just attempting to expand the brackets of what is permissible to think.
drawing from sources often approvingly cited here, like Glenn Greenwald, even Counterpunch, even Antiwar.com.
Sometimes linking to other iconoclastic but reasoned, impassioned sites like Arthur Silbur at powerofnarrative.blogspot.
Let’s be clear about Webb. We KNEW what he was about.. conservative to a fault, when he first went up against Macaca. Truth in advertising.. we preferred him to Allen, but he never at any point tried to fool us into thinking that he’s a progressive.
kdh22 @ 127
Pardon me. Which of my brains were you addressing?
Blub @ 137
No but there are plenty of people here who have fooled themselves.
Those State Department Jackals from yesterdays Waxman Hearings were three ugly fuckers, Satterfuck. Griffuck and who was the other fuck? Those fucks are stealing, slaughtering and renditioning in our! fucking! names!
Petrocelli @ 133
I thought the Tweety take-down was one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever seen. He was clueless. I bet even this morning he is not aware that he was taken down. He genuinely did not understand what Stewart was talking about.
nomolos @ 135
no prob.
BigMitch @ 124
omg, I don’t even know where to START…..
BigMitch @ 138
Don’t quote Thurmond. It diminishes respect for the brain on your shoulders. :)
petwrecker @ 139
It’s like David Mamet is writing every other post this morning, what with our word of the day and all.
petwrecker @ 139
hehe.. I like those names.. sounds like a pack of Harry Potter or Dickens villains
Petrocelli @ 134
One of the great moments in the history of television. I never saw anything like it.
I think we need a curse word fundraiser today….
BigMitch @ 147
Jon who?
raven @ 139
Most of Congress is made up of DINOs. That said, we should cheer Dems on when they do things right and criticize them when, all too often, they don’t.
And HRC makes a fine Senator from NY. Of course there may be some in New York who don’t agree w/me.
kdh22 @ 28
Jane, et al., we’d be editorially remiss if we didn’t say clearly that it’s January 2009 you’re referring to.
The one clear impact of this preposterously early primary/fundraising season is the strangulation of the impeachment discussion. We don’t have four more months of Bush. We have 16.
Buckley may never have wrought as much damage as it has this primary season.
What the fuck is sherrod Brown talking about?raven @ 149
Jon Stewart, The Daily Show, performing rectal re-assignment surgery of Matthews.
selise @ 116
Sporkovat is one a handful of posters whose comments I do not need to read because I know in advance what they are going to say – usually telling us the dems are no better than the republicans and that everyone should either vote third party or not vote at all.
Helen @ 142
It was Fucking hilarious … Tweety writing a self- help book … Napoleon Hill must be spinning in his grave …
Wtfuck is Sherrod Brown doing talking about toys when the Reid Feingold amendment is on the floor?
For goodness sakes will somebody test the DC water!
Just who started this nasty curse word business today anyway?
oddmommy @ 95
thanks for the correction. I just remember an article that he wrote before the 2002 war resolution vote where he shared his views about military power not being the solution. He came out clearly against the invasion.
You pups are providing terrific reasons why i couldn’t write Sen.VO earlier today (until #110 popped outta the ethers). Must be somethin’ in the air. heh.
Hey. Sherrod Brown, OH’s GOOD Senator, is on live right now, using every spare minute of air time while the others wrangle in the back rooms of what’s left of their minds. Huzzah Sherrod!!!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 156
Not me ;)
ccmask @ 148
That’s a Fucking great idea … *g*
Got a dime ?!! *g*
All these bad, bad words. And I have such delicate sensibilities.
raven @ 139
Now WAIT just a corn-doggin minute here…!
He’s not a model “progressive,” ok. But he IS his own man and he is NOT a tool for any “interest,” moneyed or otherwise.
I’m not qualified to judge his record on Vietnam. I know he caved like the others did on the war funding,and I can’t explain that — but I do believe he is sincere about wanting to end the war.
Yes, he fucked up on FISA….but I am not aware of any other domestic issue where he voted against progressive interests. Correct me if I’m wrong. (I know you will…!)
kdh22 @ 159
Liar, Liar, pants on fucking fire.
Does anybody know if the Saudis have anything to do with the push for war with Iran?
There’s a good reason why Sherrod is doing this, but I’ll be damned if I know what it is.
I fear that it is so that they can caucus in the back of the room, and come up with some fuckery, ala UC agreement that anything that made the R’s look bad (read: fillibuster) won’t be made public.
Helen @ 163
Et tu Helen?
BigMitch 154
Brown was using free time for unrelated “Morning Business” speech, rather than leave it vacant while the tussle is going on behind the scenes in re the current vote.
If you’d rather hear classical music, that’s now on. My you guys are hard to please. ;->
Dennis Kucinich had a few words. From the news of the recent vote on the defense appropriations:
As Ted Rall noted, recently, the indirection Congress has perpetrated to fob off any criticism of their go-along strategy, and the media noncritical treatment of same needs to end. In a recent column of his:
Dana Perino, roads buckling here are a few more OT topics
Justin Raimando’s latest on the upcoming espionage trial that few people in the MSM or blogosphere are writing about “The Lobby on Trial”
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11695
Embattled Aipac Lobbyists Take Divergent Paths
Weissman Dons Keffiyeh, Rosen Maintains Stance on Mideast
Nathan Guttman | Wed. Sep 12, 2007
http://www.forward.com/articles/11608/
Hugh @ 150
just like little children. Or dogs.
Helen @ 142
I thought that Tweety chose to not understand Jon, hoping that Jon would give up.
Towards the end, Tweety went into defensive mode and started throwing insults at Jon,
which made him look like a bigger asshole … if that was ever possible …
Sherrod Brown was talking as part of morning business which means that he could talk about whatever he wanted to talk about. What he did might sound discordant to us but is normal procedure for the Senate.
ccmask @ 148
Or a drinking game…
“Fuck!” Alright, another round of shots.
BigMitch @ 154
LOL … Mitch, I haven’t been on FDL much these last few months and I miss your terrific one liners !
Petro!
(ygm)
and, it’s a Quarter in the Swear Jar.
We could raise a fuck (ca-ching)load of money here.
“rectal reassignment”
Just so as to make sure I understand:
Does that result in a person walkin around wearin a bag of shit?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 163
Should we get the fainting couch?
MayDaze @ 178
I think that would be best.
Petrocelli @ 171
Included in the great moments from this interaction was the one in which Tweety said to JS, “Don’t you want to be a success?” and Jon said, “I am a success.” The funny thing is that Tweedy was on KO earlier and talked about how you should always “take on someone bigger than you.” He didn’t seem to enjoy that advice when he was the bigger guy getting kicked in the nutz.
Eleven fucking months ago, the Congressional majority changed due to the frustration over the war in Iraq.
The people of the United States sent a clear message, get us out.
Eleven fucking months later not one god damn thing has changed except the death and injury toll.
Eleven fucking months of jaw flapping and STILL, we have no progress!
Pissed off? You bet your fucking ass I’m pissed off.
We have a fainting fucking couch?
Hugh @ 173
Thanks Hugh. Mebbe the pups will listen to you.
I’m about to give up on this day’s bidness herebouts. But then, I vented all yestidie (not here; no record exists; not that i recall)
jayt @ 52 – The Hate Crimes amendment is part of the FY 2008 Defense Authorization Bill (the defense policy bill), which had more than 190 amendments added to it on the floor, over a period of weeks (most in one big managers’ package), before final passage on Monday. It will be interesting to see whether Bush vetoes that bill in the end, or not, if the Hate Crimes amendment is still in it after the House/Senate conference arrives at a final version of the bill.
rwcole @ 176
That’s carving a new asshole for a walking bag of shit, like Tweety.
man,I have never seen a love-hate relationship like folks here have for Tweety.
I stay out of it, cuz I watched him once, and that was enuf.
oddmommy @ 164
Not sure if this is snark or not. You are saying that Webb went with the Republicans and Bush on the two most important issues of our times: the Iraq war and the erosion of our Constitutional rights and protections. If he can’t vote right on these things, his other votes don’t really matter.
BigMitch @ 178
I sooooo missed that last night…FUCK!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 156
See the post above.
demi @ 177
LOL … that would be $0.24 for me, since our dollar is now worth more than yours’ … *g*
Looks as if the balance of Clusterfuck’s term will be filled with dems sending him bills that the public is in favor of but which his “ideology” will require him to veto- goopers will then have to decide to oppose the prez or oppose the people
And a good time will be had by all.
rwcole @ 181
It’s blue velvet and Suzanne keeps it on her porch. *g*
rwcole @ 181
there will be NO fucking on the fainting couch.
rwcole @ 182
There’s a fucking couch and a fainting couch, you’ve got to be sure you know where you are and what you came for!
Whenever Tweety appears as an interviewee, he trumpets it on Hardball and shows video. Not this time.
Petrocelli @ 188
Thanks for driving the fact home!
Petrocelli @ 173
Stewart will rip into many issues but I have never seen him touch the I-lobby
A bit of poking fun at Lieberman, but not the Lobby. Sacred cow on his show. He even takes part in mis-interpreting Iranian President’s Ahmenijads words and has often inferred on his program that Iran has a nuclear “weapons” program.
Stewart is brave but not that brave
In other words: “Let’s murder more troops for the good of the party.”
Really sick and perverted.
I expected ONE thing from Webb- a vote for Harry Reid- anything else is gravy.
Look out. I’m going to say the ‘F’ word. Feingold! One of the good guys.
Hugh @ 186
I don’t agree with that. I think there are a LOT of other things that matter.
kdh22 @ 189
You can always catch it Here !
“there will be NO fucking on the fainting couch. “
Aha- but is there any fainting on the fucking couch?
Petrocelli @ 190
Yikes – I knew it was approaching par but…
100.00 CAD = 100.311 USD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 198
OKk
Yikes!
Petrocelli @ 190
Could-a, would-a, should-a… You sound like summadawurst Ccritters! Put up ‘r [!???!]
kathleen @ 197
Two words:
COMEDY CENTRAL.
kdh22 @ 187
catch the rerun tonight at 8 pm EDT — that’s when I always watch it. You can also watch it on the internet. Somewhere.
BigMitch @ 181
… and that Tweety has the chutzpah to think that he knows how to define success …
GW Clusterfuck has brought us the day where ya have to pay more dollars for a beer in Canada than in the USA? That should be a capital crime.
Perhaps I am a recovering conspiracy-theorist. If so, I think I fell off the wagon these past two weeks watching “The War” on PBS. Tell me – is it an accident that during a time when there is so much talk about expanding our present war to Iran, we have “serious entertainment” glorifying our last great war – the one where no one can say that we did wrong? Are we being softened up for our next war, or our next expansion of war?
rwcole @ 202
Depends on who’s doing the ______.
Mmmmm. Mush and yellow down feathers on the heel of Stewart’s boot.
All right, kids:
Playtime’s over. Let’s get back to work…*g*
rwcole @ 210
As if American beer wasn’t ALREADY a capital crime. (I know, I know – microbreweries)
Oh sh*t!
“My esteemed colleague Sen. McCaint cannot be here today, but [sent a comment, which his good friend proceeds to read - stating his opposition to the amendment].”
WaaaaaHHHHHHHere’s Sherrod?! I want Sherrod!
“Overcome by their passion- both the fuckers fainted on the couch”
kathleen @ 196
NO!
There are many reasons for disagreeing with Kathleen and her happy band of Israel haters. Cowardice is not among them.
It takes courage to face the truth; courage that Kathleen lacks. Instead, she prefers hit and run attacks on Israel, divorced from reality.
I gather we are done with our love-fest for Feingold, since I next expect that Kathleen will be attacking him of being a tool of the Israel lobby, too.
elef @ 212
That was my first thought, I haven’t been able to watch it. My husband has, but he understands my feelings about the propaganda behind it.
kathleen @ 198
Have you seen what Jon does to NeoCons on his show ?
… and worse, what Stephen does to them on his show ?
Mitch – Don’t rise to the bait, please. I would have thought you would recognize it for what it is by now.
How long have we been saying it? The only way for the Democrats to win this is to make the Republicans wear this war. As long as the Democrats are resisting it, they win. I wonder when they’re going to wake up and realize.
newtonusr @ 220
Shorter Mitch: K, STFU
BigMitch @ 217
OMG. I am soooo staying out of this.
Petrocelli @ 220
Awww. Stephen speaketh too fast for ‘um to keep up wit’ whut he be sayin’ *g* That ain’t curr-age ether.
Fern @ 215
Have you tried Sierra Nevada?
Mitch
Don’t know about Israel haters- but I would like to see the US take a nuetral stance on the palestinian issue. I have heard that there is an Israel lobby in the US Congress and that they are sometimes a force in perpetuating the war in Iraq. If that’s true- I oppose that.
Biodun @ 212
Gee, Bio….ooooo.kkkk [sigh]
I feel better now. :)
Thanks for playing along everyone.
oddmommy @ 187
Heh. That about sums it up for me too.
newtonusr @ 208
Touche, newtonusr !
One of the best beers in america has been around for a LONG TIME- Anchor Steam.
MayDaze @ 226
No. We tend not to get stuff from smaller American brewers up here. I’m sure there is excellent stuff down there.
from david sirota:
Picking up on what Feingold says in his statement in the post above – there’s such a thing as compromising one’s principles as opposed to compromising on legislation for the greater good.
The dividing line between the two is well illustrated by the pseudo-debate about our occupation of Iraq (an occupation which actually even Feingold dances around when it comes to discussing what we are really doing there, and toward which hidden, self-serving end we actually strive, five years into this seemingly catastrophic failure of a strategy).
All right then:
The love-fest for Feingold is sooooo over…
oddmommy @ 213
… rests chin on palms …
Go on !!!
kdh22 @ 189
They were both attacking one another. Stewart took the first whack
http://www.comedycentral.com/s…..ndex.jhtml
I wonder if Stewart reads the books or just selectively pulls out points.
rwcole @ 231
That one I have seen around and will try.
kinmo @ 218
I’ve watched too installments, and I really don’t think it is fair to say that the series does the “glorification” “do no wrong” propaganda at all. I think it’s the opposite. Veterans tell truths they never dared tell before. And none of the ugliness on our side is spared….from the segregated troops to the Japanese Americans languishing behind barbed wire here in the land of the free while their sons were sent to die.
And REALLY…please don’t condemn something you haven’t even watched, as “propaganda.” It insults both our intelligences.
Jon & Tweety video
OddMommy, I’m with you this time around. Better things to do than go down this rat hole.
Fern @ 233
We also have lots of great stuff up here, made by local microbreweries !
rwcole @ 228
Amen.
BigMitch @ 218 –
uh, the lobby is not the same thing as israel. many people (including me) think that a*p*c is profoundly bad for israel.
it quite possible to despise the lobby and care deeply about the well being of israelis.
Petrocelli @ 203
I thought Matthews gave Stewart a run for the $$. Wonder if Stewart will come on Matthews show? If not… says a great deal
Petrocelli @ 242
Fort Garry Pale – yum!
MayDaze @ 227
Sierra Nevada. Gawd I miss Chico. Class of ‘71.
MayDaze @ 226
pale ale.
yum yum.
kathleen @ 246
The last time JS appeared on a show like that, well, we all recall that shows fate.
Forgot to add with my #241 (Jon & Tweety video) that comments at the youtube link are closed. I guess Tweet’s can’t handle a little hardball.
rwcole @ 231
liberty ale.
where are the hop heads?
peanutbutter @ 230
Your missing a great deal
Adie @ 226
I have seen Colbert rip
Best american ale in the english style I have tasted is from right here in north san diego country—Stone Pale Ale- Stone IPA- and another Stone Ale (forgot the name) that takes the hop crop of the entire western United States to brew.
Inouye up and saying that he supports the measure and will vote against it.
WTF?
kathleen @ 254
Rip, yes. Colbert may be the most dangerous show right now for a pol.
kathleen @ 246
Stewart said he wouldn’t go on Tweety’s show because he didn’t want to be a concern troll. or something similiar. If anyone had enough stomach to read Andrew Sullivan today, he got it. He’s kinda pissed, but he got it. Stewart & Co. were busting on the idiot talking heads.
Ah Stone Ruination IPA- that’s the little monster. Makes a traditional english “bitter” taste like budweiser.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 258
Do you have a link for Andrew Sullivan? Thanks
Ish @ 36
Because the modern leaders are classic mid-level bureaucrats (NOT leaders) who got where they were by not rocking the boat.
When I was growing up, the leaders were known for the bills they brought to the floor and for their inspiring rhetoric. You had HEARD of them.
Honestly, before this election, I really had never heard of Henny Stoyer, Rahm Emanuel, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi. Now, watching them in action, I know why I had never heard of them. These are NOT real leaders. There are congressmen in office that fit the description but seem to be unwilling to do the triangulation necessary to get the positions.
The ones most qualified for the positions are the ones most unlikely to get them.
newtonusr @ 257
… or a press club? he has a gift! hecque, he IS a gift. So is Jon. So is KeithO.
BigMitch @ 219
Mitch you are ridiculous and stoop to calling people names when they link articles and facts about the I/P issue. This is what many people face when they state facts and other opinions about the I/P issue. Friends of mine who have spent a great deal of time in Israel have shared that the anger that Mitch displays is just a small indicator of what Palestinians face.
I support both Palestine and Israel based on the 67 border. So please Mitch stop name calling that is really out of line and unnecessary.
Here are the articles that I linked earlier that Mitch is reacting to
Dana Perino, roads buckling here are a few more OT topics
Justin Raimando’s latest on the upcoming espionage trial that few people in the MSM or blogosphere are writing about “The Lobby on Trial”
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11695
Embattled Aipac Lobbyists Take Divergent Paths
Weissman Dons Keffiyeh, Rosen Maintains Stance on Mideast
Nathan Guttman | Wed. Sep 12, 2007
http://www.forward.com/articles/11608/
kinmo @ 220
I’ve watched this every evening. There was a wonderful interview last night with a veteran who talked about people all having red blood in their veins, all being human, and here were fellow humans being so egregiously (sorry, EG)hurt and injured. It touched your heart.
Other than that, I don’t recall much if anything about US propoganda, US doing wrong, in the doc. I can’t say it was not there – just got a puppy and he takes away a fair chunk of viewing time. The one funny thing – did any of you notice? – was just before the doc started the announcer for PBS says “The War brought to you by the following corporations…”
Christy’s upstairs…
I dunno ’bout ya’all, but over here we’re party’n like it’s 2007!
The United States won the Iraq War!
Months ago!
Rationales for invasion:
1. Removal of Saddam Hussein. Check.
2. Ensure no WMD supplies. Check.
3. Ensure Al Qaeda cannot take over a government in the Middle East. Check.
The Sunnis hate Al Qaeda more than they hate us — and we blew the hell out of their cities.
The USA won! Hooray!
I’m going out on Haight St. to find a nurse to kiss…
oddmommy @ 240
I’m sorry if I offended you, I’ve just been getting too sensitive lately. My husband has consistently defended the series and insisted I watch it. I just can’t handle it now. Sorry about the sharp edged remark.
Dee at 264, it’s fine, I want people to use my name, that’s the whole point. They have gone too far.
A Canadian fishing guide and an American fisherman were in a boat together talking about Canadian beer versus American beer. The Canadian said,”American beer is liking making love in a canoe.” The American said, “What do you mean?”
The Canadian said, “It fucking near water.”
I’m a one-beer woman….and it ain’t American OR Canadian.
It’s from the same folks who have enough sense to know a “recreational” drug when they see one.
FDL allowing “selective” name calling to take place here at FDL.
This is the vote that will demonstrate the Republicans are the war party and too many Dems not representing their States by voting no or not voting…… little disappointed in Test voting no…same with Webb…no surprise with Bybaby..Inny of Hawaii needs to retire..
Col’s no will load up Franken…
Clinton yes(she did promise and did keep it)…where is Obama?
Again Obama bails…not good after his speech yesterday..
I will remember the 28 who did the right thing…
newtonusr @ 222
A real effort to bring these issues into the light and encourage people to read more about this critical issue.
elef @ 212
an interesting insight.
What moderate Republicans? Name a moderate Republican who can bring the bacon to the table, anybody that the Democrats could negotiate with, compromise over something important to them, and in return pass legislation in a form important to them.
There aren’t any. Unless you find enough of them that, like a school of fish, they can support legislation without fear of being the one Rove or Bush or Fleischer (in his new role as the radical GOP billionaire’s mouthpiece) won’t fire on at their next election. (Or whose Patriot Act revealed secrets won’t be written in indelible ink in the National Airport washrooms.)
The SCHIP legislation may be the one exception currently on the table. Let’s see the GOP – and the Village Democratic pundits – put up or shut up over that. Override that veto with room to drive Cheney’s limo fleet through it. If the GOP can’t do that, fuggedabout ‘em. There’s no there there; negotiating with them, other than as an effort to obtain intelligence, simply reveals your own game plan and achieves nothing in return. Instead, document their rapaciousness and lies, and keep their feet to the fire so that the electorate knows what its choices really are come next November.
And Dems, find pundits from outside the Beltway. Relying on the advice of the current Village idiots is like the PTA relying on Paedophiles Anonymous for help in finding new teachers and coaches.
Screw every Dem who voted no or did not vote…
I don’t want to hear ANY of them condemn Bush/Cheney Iraq policy…
They just made it clear..it is OK…
“Then I really don’t care anymore
About all the Jim-Jims in this town
And everybody putting everybody else down
And all of the politicians makin’ crazy sounds
All the dead bodies piled up in mounds, yeah”
…Lou Reed
selise @ 117
lol selise you put it so eloquently … I am speechless.
Good stuff, Jane.
And those “electoral gains” over which the democrats are salivating, include inheriting the shitmire, and the fallout from any ending to the occupation of Iraq.
At this point, is the GOP willing to trade the whitehouse and solid control of both houses of congress, in exchange for the democrats letting them hang the “who lost Iraq” noose around THEIR necks?
As they say in South Carolina:
“Does a wild bear shit in the woods?”
If the dems and the moderate repubs can’t find the conscience and the courage to get us the fuck out of Dodge City, then I submit that the GOP will not WANT to win the white house.
That’s how fucked the end-game in Iraq is going to be.
Bush cannot “do” Iran. Too many people understand that one JDAM dropped on Iran will mean the end of life as we know it. For the moment, forget the military aspect, and the loss of life; attacking Iran will unleash an economic hurricane that will have no “recovery period”.
That means that Iran is going to come out of this misery with much-enhanced power in the region and in the world. Period. Exclamation point.
The attempts to stop that perfectly foreseeable result of bush’s pulling the trigger on Iraq, will be nothing but bloody stopgaps. The Sunnis can fund all the insurgents they want, but they can’t prevent the Shia from taking control of those huge fields around Basra, in the south.
Likewise, the Kurds don’t give a rat’s ass about “greater Iraq”. They see everything as a stepping stone to an independent state. And the only way to prevent a steady movement in that direction is to keep our military tied down in Iraq.
All of this, everyone in Washington knows.
It’s just that there is under-the-table bargaining going on, as to whose “watch” it’s going to take place on; and if the dems are stupid enough, and unprincipled enough, to cut some deal with the repubs, instead of insisting that, in the next 13 months, the GOP solve the bloody Rubik’s cube for which THEY are responsible, then the democrats deserve anything that happens to them.
There’s this little game going on.
It’s called:
“Which democratic presidential candidate will move one notch closer to speaking the truth, this week?”
Feingold wins the cupie doll…With Richardson coming a close second, when he promised to have us out of Iraq within a year if he’s elected.
To be fair, Clinton, Edwards, and Obama, get a perverse point for stating their willingness to volunteer the democrats (and our military; AND the people of Iraq!) for ass-covering duty for bush and the GOP, for 5 more years, if necessary.
As nauseating as it was, it had a pathetic honesty to it.
Cliff Varnell: :o) :o) :o)
(When you find her, ask her if she has a sister…:o) )
ramjet @ 23
Ask the public:
Should the US government let any more American soldiers die in Iraq?
Yes No
——–
Or ask,
Should we get out of Iraq or stay there?
Yes No
———–
Other shades of gray questions confuse the primary question about direction.
Regarding the concept of ‘moderate’ Republicans.
I think it would be much more effective to refer to the less moonbatty of them as ‘Rational Republicans’, a term that says so much more than just ‘moderate’ at a time when so many of them are totally losing it. This indicates that while we all may have differences of opinions, they are well adjusted human beings, and not to be confused with those of them who are ‘Irrational Republicans’. The American people know (and for the most part accept) that everyone has differences of opinion. Remind them that Democrats are the people who are eager to work with all rational people to improve your country, and therefore, the world.
BigMitch @ 219
sorry folks, #282 got garbled – I am tired – my comment was in the first paragraph in response to BM’s:
“There are many reasons for disagreeing with Kathleen and her happy band of Israel haters. Cowardice is not among them.
It takes courage to face the truth; courage that Kathleen lacks. Instead, she prefers hit and run attacks on Israel, divorced from reality.”
I usually agree with Kathleen.
oops sorry..
I thought this was about Feingold amendment and the sell-out Dems…
What the F**K does beer or Israel have to do with this?
Oh..what is that shiny thing?
The Republicans maybe down in the polls at the moment, but if they thought that their chances in ‘08 were that bad, they would end this war a long time ago.
When the Dems did not cut funding for the war shortly after ‘06 elections, it was a mistake and now they are confused as to what approach should be taken. I believe, the president is working towards a complete withdrawal by Oct. of ‘08. The
celebartions of the troops coming home before the elections is going to be good for Repbulicans and people will start to forget about the war.
The Dems blew it and they know it. Their only strength is on the economy and Brenanke will make sure that it does not fall too much apart by then, ‘08 maybe a distant memory.
BMitch I would like to extend the olive branch to you for the fourth time. As I have explained to you several times I fully acknowledge and support that “Israel exists” the “right” is another issue. I do not believe in the “god” of the Bible and do not believe that if there is a “god” that “god” would act as a real estate agent for the middle east.
I want to witness a Palestine based on the Internationally recognized boundary and an International Jerusalem or a shared Jerusalem. I am Pro Palestine Pro Israel Pro Peace again based on the Internatioanally recognized border.
I have extended this olive branch to you several times, I have never attacked you personally, but you have done so on numerous occasions. Especially when I link articles, UN resolutions, and information from the International Atomic Energy Agency about the weapons situation in the middle east.
I hope you stop attacking me personally saying things that are simply not true
nogo war @ 284
People go off topic all of the time, funny how the only time people get upset about OT is when the I/P issue comes up. There seems to be a pattern here.
Kathleen, thank you for bringing this subject up and please know that my response is directed toward far more commenters than just yourself.
IMVHO, the pattern is not Israel, or Palestine, or Iranian nuclear programs, or sports updates.
It is the repetitious raising of these, and other, topics when the subject of the post is something completely different…with no effort made to engage in conversation with other commenters about the subject of the post.
Our front pagers invest a great deal of time and energy crafting what they present on the front page. The least we can do is acknowledge their efforts before heading down whatever road the muse moves us.
Exiting soapbox, stage left.
PW, I note that Doug Schoen is not included in the list of bios for Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates. Link.
And check this out.
RBG @ 288
Again I say people go OT all of the time, and the “only” “only” time I witness “some” people get upset with the OT is when the I/P issue comes up and facts and links get posted. This persistent response here at FDL is an example of the Micro to the Macro response to this critical issue to attacks out there in the bigger world when this issue is brought up.