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Russ Feingold proves he's maybe the only one in the Senate who can read a fucking poll:
One question that I keep getting asked by reporters is why Democrats aren't reaching out to moderate Republicans to come up with some sort of consensus legislation. I also see stories criticizing the Democratic leadership for failing to bring in Republican moderates to pass legislation. My response is simple -- what good is getting 60 or 67 votes to pass a nonbinding Sense of the Senate resolution on Iraq that doesn't bring the troops home? When I hold my town hall meetings in Wisconsin, nobody is asking me to push for an empty compromise. They ask me how we can finally end this war. This summer we heard a growing chorus of Republicans call for change in Iraq but their words have proven to be empty. If members are serious about changing course in Iraq, Feingold-Reid is the surest way to do it.
The American people have been clear in what they want -- an end to this war. Last November, Democrats were saying all the right things but now it's time to follow through. I know some of my colleagues want to avoid any Iraq debate on the Defense appropriations bill. Sorry, but Iraq is the most important issue we face and the Senate must address it as we take up the Defense spending bill this week. That's why I will again be offering an amendment to set a deadline for bringing our troops home. I intend to do so today.
Well he's got the support of Chris Dodd at the very least.
Feingold is clearly having his arm twisted to STFU and let the Democrats kick the can down the street and deal with the defunding debate in January. As I mentioned not long ago, "Democratic Strategist" Doug Schoen has Harry Reid's ear and his wisdom is clearly infecting a leadership salivating over potential electoral gains in 2008:
Right now, Democrats clearly have the ‘08 advantage. The American people are fed up with George Bush and the Republicans. Democrats have opened up double-digit leads on party identification and the generic congressional vote.
But the Democratic Party is also vulnerable on Iraq, where the lead over the Republicans dropped 10 percent in August to a narrow four percent margin. Rather than harp on the withdrawal, the Democrats should continue to strike a bipartisan tone and refocus the debate to other international and domestic issues. This will help them carry the day in November 2008.
And that pile of dead bodies that will be mounting between now and January? Don't mind them.
Feingold is making a bold move. If the MoveOn amendment can make it to the floor, this one can too.
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Hello, Jane!
OK so we have 1, that is ONE, Senator with balls.
Of course, while writing , I realize that the shrub would consider 1 a mandate
I read on KOS that Speaker Pelosi has ruled out any “War Tax.” When has any nation fought a war and didn’t have to raise taxes? And what better way to end the war than to force Bush to either bring the troops home or sign into law a new tax?
Feingold up now on C-Span 2 speaking in support of his Amendment.
Somehow, I think there’s been more than enough f*ck-ups occurred since ‘01 that most people already understand who is to blame.
So it’s beyond time to start letting off some of that dry powder and bring these people to account for their crimes.
Oh! and {{{{{JANE!}}}}}
RRRAAAAAWWWWWW!
((((JANE))))
I nominate ‘fuck’ for the word of the day.
In honor of the ‘foul-mouthed fem blog’ label.
This is what is so frustrating. Just what in hell did my party think last November’s vote was all about. It was about Iraq you stupid and arrogant Democrats. And as for the two front runners? Fuck you.
Do you think the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq until civil order is restored there, even if that means continued U.S. military casualties; OR, do you think the United States should withdraw its military forces from Iraq in order to avoid further U.S. military casualties, even if that means civil order is not restored there?” Options rotated
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Keep Forces Withdraw
Forces Unsure
% % %
9/27-30/07
43 54 3
7/18-21/07
39 59 3
4/12-15/07
42 56 2
2/22-25/07
42 56 2
1/16-19/07
46 52 3
Can soneone please supply a one sentence summary of the Feingold ammendment?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. No one has voted yet. A lot of material and BS that have descended on Americans since the 2006 vote have been from (mostly Beltway) MSM and from candidates running for president and members of Congress running either to retain their seats or unseat an incumbent. In 2006, majority of Americans voted to end this war and also for change in most respects. I believe in 2008, more Americans will vote the same way, barring unforseen events (like a terrorist attack by Al-Qaeda in the US–and even that there’s no guarantee).
Not one vote has been cast yet.
Biodun @ 12
Thanks Bio. That cannot be said enough!
kdh22 @ 8
I Second That Fuckotion
Fuck is the word of the day.
Is it a verb or a noun?
The guy in the white house is a dumb fuck.
He’s fucking over poor children with his veto of the SCHIP.
I had a call last night from the CA Dem party asking for money. Told them I gave 3 or 4 times last year and would gladly give twice as much now but only after we get out of Iraq. Told her Dems not holding up what was promised for in Nov, ‘06.
She said ‘but we lost due to the filibusters to change course’. Responded dems are in the majority in both houses. You want to go out to eat and to the ball game you need money. Same with Bush, no money, no war. Just keep sending up funding bills with deadlines and let Bush veto them. It’s his war, let him own with his vetos.
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“There’s been a proposal to remove these additional U.S. forces from Iraq by next summer, returning to the earlier level of about 130 thousand U.S. troops. Do you think the number of U.S. forces in Iraq should be reduced more quickly than this, more slowly, or is this about the right pace of troop reductions?”
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More Quickly More Slowly Right Pace Should Not Be
Reduced (vol.) Unsure
% % % % %
9/27-30/07
43 12 38 2 5
A majority of americans want the US to pull out of Iraq- but when you ask em “when?” you get a different answer- in this polling, 50% think that we’re either moving to quickly or at the right pace in withdrawing.
A lot are buying the White House version of reality still.
Check out this long video… some very interesting stuff there:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Sort of make you think about what is going down on a macro level.
Does anyone know if this vote will be all about cloture, up or down, or what?
Shorter Junya: “In the famous words of Mary Antwon…hmmmm…Marc Antony?…hmmmm…well fuck, let them eat ponies.”
BigMitch @ 15
That’s the true beauty of the word, now isn’t it? Verb, noun, pronoun, adjective, etc. Always appropriate - at least when discussing politics.
And that pile of dead bodies that will be mounting between now and January? Don’t mind them.
You’d think that’d create a sense of urgency.
“We don’t have the votes…” is the Democratic election platform for 2008!
Russ Feingold just offered the latest version of his ‘End The Iraq Occupation’ amendment (#3164) on the Senate floor. He’s still speaking now (C-SPAN 2).
His amendment is filed on the FY 2008 Defense Appropriations Bill which has not yet passed (only the Authorization bill has passed, which is not actual funding authority).
This is the last chance to use the giant leverage of either the Defense Authorization or Defense Appropriations Bill to attach a meaningful amendment ending our occupation of Iraq. [Harry Reid is pushing this appropriations bill to a vote for final passage today or tomorrow, after a day and a half of debate.]
There may be two hours of debate on the measure - one hour per side - but unfortunately, I think Inouye just got a UC agreement to require 60 votes on Feingold’s amendment (Reid had wanted no Iraq amendments on this bill, I believe, so I guess this is his way of splitting the baby in half), meaning the amendment is already doomed to fail.
Kinda on topic - it’s a fucking poll:
Poll: Edwards Ahead Of Republicans … In Oklahoma!
Just had to get that in. Oklahoma Kiddo, where are you?
BigMitch @ 15
old but still funny: The history of the word fuck
(not safe for work)
Kiddo is teachin our children-
Roxanne @ 22
Fuck no, Roxanne. There’s no sense of urgency in this misadministration.
In fact, there’s no fucking sense whatsoever amongst the lot of ‘em.
Biodun @ 12
Hell, if things get any worse it may end up being Al Quaeda who are greeted as liberators.
ooooo…..I’m a terrorist loving foul mouthed feminazi!! Someone stop me before I lose a war!
Why the hell isn’t Feingold running for President? He is one of the few Senators you can point to that consistantly gets it right.
Did I mention I love me some Russ Feingold?
Thanks for bringing this up Jane!
No timetable, no funding. No excuses.
Timetables (and the Webb Amendment, which needs a catchier name) need to be attached to every bill that hits Chimpy’s desk until he signs.
Smgumby @ 30
yeah, why isn’t he? I’ve asked that b4 and no one seems to know.
kdh22 @ 8
In that case, fuck the fucking fucks who fuck everything the fuck up.
Someone stop me before I lose a war!
I think we’re fresh out of wars in need of losing - for the moment.
edit: Obviously I meant fucking wars in need of losing.
rwcole @ 27
He was just here at 9:25! Maybe class has started?
oddmommy @ 32
Why isn’t Feingold running the Senate instead of Harry Reid?
oddmommy @ 29
THEY will.
Didn’t Bill O’Really threaten to strangle everybody helping AQ help us lose this war, a few days ago?
The death and destruction in Iraq is criminal and we are responsible (even if we stood against it)
Iran is next if there is not either a military coup (which some say is taking place), Impeachment of the P or VP or the American people against the ongoing Iraqi war (70%) and against a pre-emptive strike on Iran need to get out on the streets on Oct 27th in the millions….MILLIONS
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
If you have not all ready participated in one of the many marches before the invasion and after, you may be surprised by who else is out on the streets marching. Please spread the word.
We have had ENOUGH (the Iraqi people sure have) Come out on the streets on Oct 27th!
read this re Blackwater. It’s awful. An iraqi cop’s version of exactly what happened in the recent shooting. Shocking.
And I got a robo call from Hillary last nite during dinner hour asking for $200.08 dollars, get it? I pressed 1, got a person and said no $$ for Hillary until she vows to get us out of Iraq ASAP and to speak out against another war with Iran.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/.....index.html
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“There may be two hours of debate on the measure - one hour per side - but unfortunately, I think Inouye just got a UC agreement to require 60 votes on Feingold’s amendment (Reid had wanted no Iraq amendments on this bill, I believe, so I guess this is his way of splitting the baby in half), meaning the amendment is already doomed to fail.”
What is this Fuckery?
May
Maybe he has a laptop on his desk in the classroom.
oddmommy @ 14
The buildup to a pre-emptive strike on Iran
Deja FUCKING Vu!
ramjet @ 23
In Congress, yes. But Dems have the votes among Americans.
kathleen @ 38
What’s happenin’ on the 27th?
OT - the whitehouse has posted chimpy S-CHIP veto statement: Message to the House of Representatives
rwcole @ 40
Yeah, for sure, he posts from school sometimes.
I would so love to be a fly on the wall in OKk’s class….
btw, OKk, if you’re out there….what subject do you teach, and what grade? (If that is not too intrusive a question.) Wish my kids could be in your class!
oddmommy @ 32
The reason no one seems to know…is that no one knows. (How’s that for tautology?)
pow wow @ 24
This is the part I don’t understand…why doesn’t Feingold himself stomp down the UC agreement, if it only takes one objection?
twolf1 @ 44
Two words, George. (Everybody now) FUCK YOU!
twolf1 @ 44
he says that “wrong direction” thing twice. Otherwise, the statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Feingold has always been spot-on with respect to getting our troops home…
One of my own senators (Pryor-Wuss) is as spineless as they come…voting way too often with the GOP…
Last November I felt better than ever about the projected change in course of leadership in our country…
But almost a year later (and how many more dead troops?) we have squat to show for it…
I’m just sorry that Russ isn’t running for President…
Slightly OT - isn’t Boosh supposedly gonna veto the Defense Appropriations Bill anyway on accounta the Kennedy Hate-Crimes Amendment?
This poll question is pretty tricky..
Dems do NOT have the votes with the american people to withdraw immediately- they PROBABLY have the votes with the american people to BEGIN a PHASED withdrawal—but Clusterfuck succeeded in muddying THAT issue by announcing that he’s DOING that.
As usualy- americans are divided and confused on WHEN troops should start coming home and on what schedule…
Usually when asked- they say “in a year”- but then a year passes and they STILL say “within a year”.
Dems don’t have to wait for the public to reach consensus- they never will- but it’s not quite accurate to say that the american people want us out now.
Biodun @ 47
I seem to remember him saying something about aspects of his past that might be troublesome in a presidential campaign. I think there may be people in his life he does not want to put through this particular wringer.
George, you wouldn’t know a wrong direction on a one-way street to a brick wall.
Mad Dogs @ 33
Fanfuckingtastic!
oddmommy @ 32
Maybe next time around Feingold for Pres. How about VP for now.
How about a Feingold/Webb or Webb/Feingold ticket. Feingold voted against the Kyl/Lieberman amendment. Thank you Senator Feingold
Two words, George. (Everybody now) FUCK YOU!
With four-part harmony - and Feeling!!
Blub @ 50
Slightly OT, but the Bushism that makes me grind my teeth is “the way forward.” Whether he says it, or Tony Snow, or Dana Perino, it’s just so fucking rigid and condenscending. /rant
oddmommy @ 32
I could guess that he is unwilling to sell out to the needed moneymonsters
Biodun @ 42
the “Innocent Bystander Fable”… is bullshit.
It’s CYA for not doing what they don’t want to do anyway; restore habeas, end the war, demand accountability, even their foot-dragging ‘investigations’ that are predictably stonewalled.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....65980.html
kathleen @ 57
I really really don’t think that President Webb would be a good idea. He’s pretty conservative.
poor little Dana Perino. She’s such a pitiful excuse for a Tony Snow.
Per TPM, Leahy is backing off White House document production.
Can I have a short list of Dems with stones (or equivalent in women)?
Russ Feingold
Dennis Kuchinich
Chris Dodd, maybe
NOT: DiFi, HRC, Reid, Pelosi, Leahy
Blub @ 43
Click this link
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
11 Massive Demonstrations for Peace
Boston, Chicago, Jonesborough, Tenn., Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York City, Orlando, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle
Visit www.oct27.org for more details and information on how to get involved in the demonstration in your region. Fall Out Against the War!
PLEASE COME PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD. LET’S GET MILLIONS OUT ON THE “FUCKING” STREETS. ENOUGH!
oddmommy @ 63
And Tony Snow was a pitiful excuse for a human being.. which makes Dana Perino, what on the scale of pitifulness? I still think shrub should recruit O’Really to be the new Mouth of Sauron.. and put the full craven brutality of his presidency out into the open
what goopers HATE the most is a social program that benefits the MAJORITY- they can deal with those that only benefit the POOR- cause eventually they figure they can shit can em- but if they benefit the great majority of unwashed heathens- well that’s a catastrophe- cause goopers will get skewered when they try to eliminate em. Hence the Clusterfuck veto.
Re: the word f*ck:
It took a little digging but here is the original text of the Feingold-Reid Amendment:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.go.....is.txt.pdf
Didn’t Feingold say he couldn’t/wouldn’t run for president because he’d been married too many times–and the Republicans are sporting Giuliani?
And what does Dan Froomkin at the WaPo have to say?
Jane, you are earning a fucking reputation for…being fucking right.
jayt @ 52
So if he doesn’t get exactly what he wants he’ll veto it? Why in the world can’t the Dems make some hay out of that?
Blub @ 66
Let me just say
FUCK Dana Peroxide!
My disdain for her knows no bounds.
RichardCA @ 16
I have a friend in CT who, when the state Democratic Party calls for money, asks if Joe Lieberman’s picture is still up on the office wall. When they say “yes” he says he’ll give when they take it down and hangs up.
He’s a purist.
If Russ was running for prez- he’d be another voice like Kucinich- limpin along at 1 or 2% and sayin some smart things. Better to have him payin attention to business in the senate in my opinion.
Fern @ 62
On certain issues, perhaps….but he is by no means a “family values” fuckhole. ANd he does hate this fucking war,EVEN THOUGH he was wrong about Vietnam. (ok raven?)
I was reading a novel from 1982 last night and seeing stuff in it that’s relevant to current politics. (Courtship Rite, by Donald Kingsbury.)
Not that anyone in Congress seems to be able to read anything other than a donation check or a poll that agrees with what they’ve already decided to do. Well, nobody except Feingold.
I’d be happier with Webb if I didn’t see him voting, repeatedly, for stuff that prolongs the war.
mighty mouse @ 70
We’ll give Ghouliani that one!
I am still a Democrat (barely, and perhaps one big botched opportunity away from permanent defection to Independent status), but my true allegiance is to what Russ Feingold represents.
I like to say that I am not a member of the Democratic party, I am a member of the Russ Feingold Party.
Go, Russ, go.
Fern @ 63
Fiscally conservative, conservative with peoples lives. I can dig it. He voted against the 2002 war resolution.. he has pushed an amendment to force the Bush administration to have to come back through congress before they can start another “fucking” war. He pushed for more down time for soldiers who are serving in this “fucking” war based on a “a pack of lies” If this is a conservative give me more more more.
JFC!
if the Ds don’t make a difference on iraq policy… if the R policies continue without real opposition.. why in hell would the Ds think they’d have any advantage over the Rs? pretty soon there will be no lead - because there’s no actual difference to what happens in iraq.
MayDaze @ 35
Fyi: All our classrooms have two computers. And I have one of my laptops. And… each teacher has a ‘planning period’ plus a lunch hour. My planning gets done at home as well as correcting tests, quizes, and homework. School begins at 8:00 am. Teachers are here at 7:00 am. We leave at four or five in the afternoon. My house is open to any kid in our school on one weekend per month for tutoring and swimming by my lady and me. Want to help our children be competitive? Volunteer in your local public school. ;0)
Jane Hamsher @ 74
OMG that’s perfect!
rwcole @ 75
I agree - he is an excellent and effective senator.
Dodd is on CSPAN2 now talking about cutting off funding for the war.
I remember the old Brooklyn Dodgers yearly lament in those dark past pennat races. “Dem Bums is Dead!”
Well try this on- Dem Dems is Dead.
They won’t even hold their majoritys!
No veto overrides;no major bills passed; no war stoppage; no actions resulting from the myriad of hearings; no gender job protection for all; no denial of appointments to judgeships; What a joke.
THE DEMS IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!
So if he doesn’t get exactly what he wants he’ll veto it?
that sounds about right.
“became vulgar?”
Interesting question. To become “vulgar” is- to become common- like the “vulgate” in which the greek of the scriptures was translated to everyday latin for the common people.
So “fuck” became “vulgar” in that sense whenever it became a part of the common speech. Of course the lords n ladies tended to distance themselves from “vulgar” speech.
What’s left of “vulgar” in this country? People who DON’T wear ties?
Fern @ 84
Know what you’re best at and be the best at it.
While in California for a week I’ve talked with a lot of people about politics, asked their opinions: clerks, taxi drivers, etc. Their eyes kinda glaze over when I mention the politicization of the Justice Department, but as soon as I say we are working to end the war, they come alive.
I keep hearing, “well I’m a Republican, but I oppose this war.” We are definitely the majority. Congress: get to work!
oddmommy @ 63
You can’t feel sorry for someone who takes a job with full knowledge and foresight that she’s got to:
1. lie like hell all the time.
2. aid an adminstration that hurts people on so many levels.
3. hope in her black heart that people actually believe the bullsh*t and will let it stand.
kathleen @ 80
I didn’t think he was in congress in 2002 - wasn’t he just elected in the last election?
oddmommy @ 63
At least she’s pretty. She disguises her inarticulation behind the fast delivery of words that spews out of her mouth..
kathleen @ 80
he didn’t actually vote against the war in ‘02, good Kathleen…he wasn’t in the Senate then. But I know whatcha mean…he spoke out against it from the getgo.
Ish @ 31
The Webb amendment needs a mascot. Spiderman, where are you?
BigMitch @ 15
It is a verb and a noun, in fact it can be used in many different ways … tune into Late Nite tonight for all the uses of “Fuck” !
kdh22 @ 74
Just looked her up on wiki.. didn’t realize she’s so young.. only 35
hackworth @ 91
We’re talking about someone who was Scott-Bot McLellan’s back-up, but wasn’t ready to step up, so they went out and got the odious Tony Snow instead. Then he split, and Dana, third-string prevaricator, was they only player left on the bench. She’s their 4th-string liar.
Blub @ 97
Just how they like ‘em in the R party…young, naive and easily manipulated. She, however, is not a Regency grad. How odd.
When the Anbar Sunnis turned against AQ-Iraq the United States won the war.
That’s right.
The last standing rationale — the prevention of an Al Qaeda take-over of Iraq — was resolved when the Sunnis decided they hated AQ-Iraq MORE than they hated Americans.
That’s a lot of hate.
No way Al Qaeda can take over a government when the vast majority of Muslims hate them more than anyone.
We won! War is over! Bring the troops home NOW!
selise @ 81
ayup. It should be remembered that the Axiom of Automatic Support for the Least Worst is strongest in places like this, Donkey Exasperation Societies where venting is allowed but the underlying faiths are not questioned.
Elsewhere, folks can simply see for themselves that both options suck, neither will work to make needed changes happen, so why bother?
This may not even show up in polling, where you want to appear to be engaged, knowledgable, and care.