Pills Limbaugh just keeps diggin’ and diggin’. I’ve been delighted to see that it’s been all over cable news today, and Wes Clark has been promoting the move to get Limbaugh off Armed Forces Radio Network. Since that letter from Harry Reid et. al. condemning Rush doesn’t really seem to have had much of an effect, Digby spells out why they should join Clark and go after him:
General Wes Clark (who Limbaugh has repeatedly slandered) has started a drive to force congress to remove Limbaugh from Armed Forces Radio, a move I’ve been in favor of for years. I urge you to sign up for this one. Limbaugh is a cancer on the body politic and we have to stop being afraid of him — or being above these “petty squabbles.” One of the main sources of Republican power is their ability to gin up controversies like this latest MoveOn thing and it behooves us to go after them with the same amount of fervor when the opportunity presents itself. They will keep doing it until the price becomes too high.
Bennett said today that the Democrats had erred because if they were going to try to kill the king, they’d better succeed, and Rush is the king of talk radio. He’s right. And the Democrats should have been working to take him down long ago. It’s my belief that the conservative movement of the past decade or so was a three headed hydra: Newt, Delay and Rush. Sure, there are others, including Bush’s brain, and Grover Norquist (whom I have sometimes included as the fourth head of the hydra) but those three stood for different things that were hugely important to the success of the movement. Newt was the visionary. Delay was the congressional enforcer. And Rush was the voice, screaming out violent hatred for liberals and Democrats day after day, decade after decade. It took its toll, to the point where we can hardly even stand ourselves.
Newtie’s now irrelevant. Delay is gone. Only Rush remains and he is probably the biggest prize. On a purely practical, hardball political basis, the Democrats should have been working to take him out for years. Now is their chance to turn the Republicans’ patented hissy kabuki back on them and hoist an avowed political enemy with his own poisonous petard at the same time. There are many others who will happily take his place, no doubt about it. But his voice is uniquely associated with the radical wingnuts, and it is an important symbolic message to the country if they can finally make an example of him.
The fact that the Democrats aren’t going after Rush hammer and tongs is largely due to their failure to see themselves as an opposition party involved in an ideological war. The view from inside the Beltway Bubble seems to obscure this plain and simple truth that appears quite obvious to those of us outside of it. The Republicans understand it, and that’s why they’ve been so successful at controlling the agenda as a minority party.
Rush is a huge part of why they’re always on the ropes, losing these battles of phony outrage and spin. It’s time to take him out.
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Jane!
?
Missed it by -THAT- much.
UNPLUG THE WURLITZER !!!
I LOVE Jane Hamsher for staying on this story. I’m having more difficulty than I imagined getting progressives to help on this pushback up here in Alaska. It’s frustrating, because I think it is very important.
You foul-mouthed feminist bloggers just hate men, hate America, and umm, hate uhh, kittens too.
Poor Rush, to be so misunderstood, poor soul, after all of these years he’s spent building bridges between Americans, guiding us to the light … I can see the light Rush … I … can … see ,….
It’s about the advertising. When corporate America decided that Imus was too toxic to associate with, the end came very fast. If Rush is going to start costing Clear Channel money, then and only then will he fall. Getting him off AFR would be a big step forward. Putting pressure on the advertisers that support him is important too. Has anyone compiled a list of his sponsors?
Bullies feed on weakness. The only solution is to develop a spine and hurt them until they run away. Then hunt them down and finish the job.
In keeping with Jane’s call for Democratic courage, here’s what they need to know in their heart of hearts:
From American Rhetoric’s “The Cowardly Lion On Courage.”
I asked last night if there’s something in the air they breathe inside the beltway? Is there something in the water? What is it that has the politicians in general and the Dems in particular so incapable of rational analysis of the world. Dems all seem to be caught in the time warp that allowed George McGovern and Barry Goldwater to be political enemies but good personal friends.
They seem to have totally missed the effects of the mid-80s on, that have resulted in the take no prisoners stylings of the current rethugs. Newt and Insect boy had no desire to be friends. Issa, Boehner, Miss McConnell, and all the others have no desire to be friends. They declared it a war, culturally or otherwise. Dems have to react accordingly.
Rust Limberger is one of the chief propagandists and needs to be respected for that but he also needs to be treated as the partisan hack and postule on the body politic that he is.
Let’s lance that boil!
I couldn’t agree more. Can you imagine being a democratic soldier in the heat of Iraq with Limbaugh blaring over the speakers?
Rush was too yellow to fight for his country during Nam. Too yellow. He’s also a fat drug addict.
Harsh? Yep. Some of ya’ll don’t like it when I call Bush a yellow coward who was too afraid to fight for his country. Some of ya’ll won’t like what I say about Rush.
But you can either sit around in some poetry reading circle….or you can ATTACK. When you attack, you will learn how to WIN. When you sit around in your poetry reading circle, it’a all “feel-good” and so forth…and, you always lose.
Ghostman
Ed*ard Teller @ 5
Cheney pulled the plug on Imus’s daily declarations that the White House is full of WAR CRIMINALS.
We simply MUST pull the plug on Rush.
Jane, wherever she is, knows it.
Ghostman @ #12 – That was poetic! *g*
Hi Jane!
I’m so happy to see you’re staying with this.
Seems to me that the only place bradcasters have any nerve endings is in their wallets. Are there any active efforts to communicate our displeasure to advertisers? As was the case with Imus?
Admiral Joe (now Representative Joe) Sestak was on AAR showing us why he wasn’t the best nominee for that district. He’s lining up against censuring Limbaugh.
Can’t we get some consensus from our leadership on what is and is not acceptable behavior? Limbaugh’s listeners are pretty well organized, managing to get through repeatedly on AAR to put out his bogus version of this story.
Damn, Jane – I wanted to go out and put my bayonet on my non existent gun. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain – you have nothin on Jane Hamsher.
Our congressional dems have yet to see the neo-cons as the enemy of America that they are. Like, if you really think that the war in iraq is harming American security, how can you vote to continue funding? That is almost the definition of unpatriotic. Why are they not angry? How can Hillary do to church with these peddlers of death? Above all else, how can they let an advantage remain unexploited?
Closest to zed I’ll ever get.
Democrats should also be going after Bush’s More Guns, Less Butter approach to Federal budget balancing. In fact, there are a whole series of financial policies that invite comparison to 1929, just before the Crash and the Great Depression– see The Alarming Parallels Between 1929 and 2007, by Robert Kuttner (The American Prospect). For example, no one seems to connect the housing bubble collapse with Bush’s laissez-faire economic policies, and not much press has been devoted to the fact that we’ve essentially indebted ourselves to China in order to fund the war in Iraq. There is no debate about the merits of that tactic. So Bush continues building his house of cards, charging billions to your children’s credit cards. Who will pay the wages of these sins? Ourselves, or our children?
Bob in HI
Listen to the wailing and lamentations from wingnuttia, and it’s obvious why the Flush Rush campaign has them wetting their panties: for the first time, they are on defense. And they don’t like to play defense, because it takes them out of their game plan of constantly attacking everything that’s still decent about America.
It’s time to use their own strategy against them, and stick the football up their cyst-encrusted asses. (yuck)
Stop pressuring us god damn it! Rush is too popular. We’re afraid. Fuck off!
The Democrats
The Democrats need to position themselves better then grabbing their ankles all the time.
This is a war. We have to understand that our media has fallen exactly into the mode predicted by the movie NETWORK. How else do you explain the contnued presence of Glen Beck and his continued access to more air time. The viewership is not there to justify it on any economic grounds. The networks are following the lead of their corporate masters. They have learned as has the Republican party that you can shift the perception of the nation by controlling the news.
Miss Nancy and ‘Rabbit’ Rahm in case you forgot just who was ‘leading. the ‘Democrat’ Party.
Pathetic cowards who will allow the likes of Rush and Mr. Decider to heap the bodies high in a bloody pile.
Call these folks and let them know how you feel….hell, call ‘em every day.
It’ll be good for our democracy and make no mistake it will take a lot more than this fat, drug-addicted moran and Mr. Dumbass Decider, even with the impediments of ‘Rabbit’ and ‘Miss Nancy’, to stop us and the millions of pissed off patriots our here where real Americans, progressives that is, live.
“Pills Limbaugh” wasn’t this the creep who was having his housekeeper buy pain meds for ‘his-self’ in some Denny’s parking lot in West Palm not too long ago?
two beers @ 21
three yards and a cloud of Rush
Delay is gone.
Where has he gone. When does his trial start? Does Bush still control the justice system in Texas?
And does anybody know what Abu is up to these days?
Millineryman @ 23
They need a wider stance.
Oversight Protection!
Looks like a good move.
Bob in HI
Loo Hoo. @ 29
LOL!
Put an apple in that man’s mouth and roast him.
JMOHR @ 24
Bingo.
Also, the Democrats have shown a remarkable lack of understanding of who their friends and who their enemies are.
And in the process of foolishly trying to turn enemies into friends, they are achieving the exact opposite.
OT — I just watched Democracy Now and it looks like Amy Goodman had a stroke or something. Does anybody know if she’s had a serious medical issue in the last couple of days?
great post. looks like WE will have to be the visionaries of the Democratic Party.
Charles @ 17
well, i’m with sestak on this one (although didn’t he vote to condemn moveon?)
our leaders have no business deciding what is acceptable speech…. they should be kicking rush off AFR – not censuring speech. anyone’s speech.
And lookit who they like.
GOP voters want someone who’s not like Bush
NBC/WSJ poll: Giuliani leads Thompson, followed by McCain, then Romney
selise @ 36
But I’m pretty sure the First Amendment guarantees everyone the right to be broadcast on Armed Forces Network…
via The J-Walk Blog
Wow! Jane, you and Digby nailed it.
I especially like the part about the Democrats feeling like they have to be “above” these petty squabbles.
There is no high bar anymore in this increasingly ill informed society. It’s all about soundbites and “being taken out of context”. The rightwing cauldron is, as always, doing a brilliant job of carrying out their conference call duties and defending this fat piece of sh*t but if people, on TV, would continue to turn the screws we might finally, finally, start turning the tide of public opinion and perception. And that leads to votes, and that’s right now what matters when the most petty, destructive group of men and women in American history is steering the ship.
Nail this fat b@stard. He knows what he said. Every opponent of Rush oughta be continuing to drill home to their audience that RUSH CHANGED THE TRANSCRIPT. Keep pouring it on.
Sufilizard @ 34
Bell’s palsy. Not painful. She said it should be gone in a short time,but I’ve known cases where it lasts for quite awhile.
Loo Hoo. @ 28
The former Weasel General’s doing op-eds at CNN.
Limbaugh…Narcotics violator. Sex tourist. Republican.
Sufilizard @ 34
she said at the begining that it’s bell’s palsy. not painful and should be gone in a couple of weeks.
Eli @ 38
LOL. well i can live with that if jane (and her friends) get as much time as rush has on AFR.
My party should have been doing a lot of things for years. Looks like we may have gotten fooled last November.
darkblack @ 42
“Gimme 12 steps, gimme 12 steps, mister, gimme 12 steps towards the war…”
One need only read the following paragraph to grasp the craven, manipulating ways of the current Whitehouse denizens.
“There’s concern about (UK’s Prime Minsiter Gordon)Brown,” a senior White House foreign policy official told The Daily Telegraph. “But this is compensated by the fact that Paris and Berlin are much less of a headache. The need to hinge everything on London as the guarantor of European security has gone.”
Does it get any more scum-baggy and politically calculating.
When will O’Reilly start the boycott of England?
-GSD
For starters I’d like to see Nancy, Harry, Rahm, Obama, the DLC and one other replaced by genuine Democrats.
For an example of why this is necessary, google “Harkin Rush.”
My illustrious Senator made some remarks about Rush on the Senate floor on Monday, to the effect that Rush might have been on drugs when he called our soldiers “phony soldiers.” I would argue that it’s hard to tell whether the problem is that he’s off his meds or on them.
But be that as it may, Harkin is now being smeared as (and I quote exactly) a “Fake War Hero” by every rightwing hatemeister out there. Why these same three words pop up in the headlines for Malkin, the Freepers, etc, etc., is easy to guess. That pack of flying monkeys must have heard Rush say it, and lo, the Might Wurlitzer in motion. One can also guess that they are deluging the Senator with calls and hate mail.
Thank you Senator Harkin for standing up to the Blowhard Bully. Tom is not easily intimidated, bless his heart.
If Rush is taken off Armed Forces radio, how will our servicemen and women know what fat angry white men are thinking? OK, the thinking part may be a bit of a stretch.
You know, if your side hadn’t been so gullible in embracing the actual “phony soldiers” who said what you wanted to hear about Iraq (i.e. unwinnable, national-conscience-searing Vietnam reprise, complete with slaughters of Women And ChildrenTM innocently praying in mosques), you might not look like such junior-high dorks, trying to force a meaning on Limbaugh’s words that obviously isn’t there.
What’s that poem again? “If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken/Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools….”
One more via The J-Walk Blog on it’s 5th anniversary.
So, to get our Democratic Party going, 1) We are the visionaries, 2) we need an enforcer in Congress because our Majority Leaders aren’t doing it, and 3) we need to get an effective platform on talk radio.
Concerning getting a platform on radio, do the license owners care more about money or ideology? if money, if we keep boycotting sponsors, maybe we can get our own talk show on major network.
selise @ 45
Well, let’s not get carried away. Liberals aren’t considered actual citizens, as you know.
Rush can bluster and argue, which is why much of his fan base supports him. What he can’t do is back down and apologize. What he can’t stand is to be made fun of. What he can’t deal with is to be called out.
This is nothing new for Rush. ESPN punted him because his mouth ran ahead of his brain. It’s time for AFR to do the same.
Congress, if ESPN can kick Rush to the curb without losing the NASCAR crowd and Joe Six-Pack, so can you.
Why does DISNEY hate America?
Why does the DISNEY subsidiary ABC Radio allow Rush to spew hate over the public airwaves?
Do the DISNEY and ABC sponsors endorse the hateful Rush spew? And if they don’t, why haven’t they canceled their ads?
Kathryn in MA @ 52
It’s not money.
So who do we love now- old europe or new europe..?
punaise @ 46
“I was gettin’ my swerve, when they asked me to serve, then my water fell on the floor…”
JugOPunch @ 39
Is that really their logo or is that a joke?
rwcole @ 58
Caffeine-Free Cherry Europe.
If Pelosi is too far right- then there’s no hope- cause she’s further left than congress will ever get.
Eli @ 56
thus, the bind we are in.
Absolutely agree….
“Rush is a H U G E part….”
rwcole @ 61
oh, fer crying out loud. nixon was further left than most of this crowd.
We are back in love with Old Europe and New Europe, now we hate England who was never really part of Europe.
And never were our friends either.
We fought them!
(Bush/Limbaugh lizard pea-brain thought process in action.)
-GSD
Limbaugh is a carbuncle on the ass of the body politic.
darkblack @ 59
“now wait a minute, mister, have you seen this mondo cyst here?”
Between Obama and Hillary they have raised about $150,000,000 campaign dollars. Is there anything wrong with this picture?
Kathryn in MA @ 52
Grab em by their wallets, the hearts and minds will (eventually) follow.
Ed*ard Teller @ 5
Speaking as a progressive in Alaska, I will admit that I was unmoved by ET’s appeal to action on this. And yet, Jane has changed my mind. What is the difference?
Calling for Congress to take Rush off of Armed Forced Radio is doing something.
Usually when someone says, “If you are going to kill the king, kill the king,” what is meant is that failure will bring reprisals from the powerful king. In this case, even without reprisals, the Dems are at risk for being tagged as never having accomplished anything. If this effort is a failure, that tag will have some more validity.
Campaign financing is the cancer on Democracy.
The majority leader has the option of being an enforcer- which usually means threatening people with shitty committee assingments, cutting off campaign funds, or a primary challenge. Goopers did these things when in control with some success. Dems may be doing some of it- but there are some congresscritters who CAN’T be threatened because they are convinced that they’ll be kicked out by voters if they support certain bills.
A good leader has to know how far they can go- and I have no idea where that line is for Pelosi and Reid.
GSD @ 47
Will we be eating Freedom Muffins soon?
Kathryn in MA @ 62
break ‘em up into thousands of small single station, locally owned companies.
Loo Hoo. @ 74
Very tasty with butter and currant jelly.
I have already started a scone boycott.
-GSD
JMOHR @ 24
First things first – Beck’s ratings are in the cellar and Jane is right on – a successful smack down of Limbaugh will send a shockwave through all the media executive suites. We can do this folks and I’m rather fond of the Dick Tuck approach: RIDICULE, RIDUCULE, RIDUCULE and then there is also the Saul Alinsky sure fire campaign: attack, attack, attack Limpballs sponsors and networks.
If the spineless Pebble Beach Company found the cujones to throw him out of the ATT Pro AM the least we can do is succeed in kicking him off the Armed Forces airwaves.
Think Rush is bad (and he is) take a look at so called Christian tv. Starting with John Hagee.
Loo Hoo. @ 73
Will we have to give up speaking English?
Victory baguettes, get your victory baguettes and freedom strudel in time for the tea-dumping party.
-GSD
Thomas @ 51
This doesn’t make sense. Can you reword it so I can understand your meaning?
Hugh @ 80
I believe many of you already have.
Pelosi voted:
NO on the Border Security Bill
NO on making the Republican tax cuts permanent
NO on eliminating the marriage penalty
NO on eliminating the death tax
NO on creating Health Savings Accounts
NO on the Defense of Marriage Act
NO on the 1996 Welfare Reform Law (and NO on its reauthorization)
NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance
NO on banning partial-birth abortion
NO on requiring a photo I.D. to ensure only legal voters vote
NO on the Patriot Act
NO on authorizing domestic tracking of terrorists
NO on military tribunals and new interrogation rules for terrorist detainees
(this according to Newt Gingrich)
GSD @ 81
Bangers and thrash..
Sufilizard @ 34
I was wondering the same thing, since I noticed for the first time the other night that she was talking mainly with the left (!) side of her mouth. By comparison, the right side of her mouth didn’t move much. But her speech sounded the same (to my ear) as always.
Bob in HI
rwcole @ 84
If this is accurate I have to say that is not a bad voting record.
selise @ 74
excellent plan
Fern
My thoughts precisely.
Fern @ 87
Is that the right metric for a Speaker, though?
Kathryn in MA @ 53
That’s the question. Do they even care anymore if they’re for profit? I’m beginning to think the profit doesn’t matter, and that it’s simply a matter of brainwashing teh lazy, uneducated and stupid.
Eli @ 89
No. Yes for a Representative, not for a Speaker or a Whip.
Well they already diddled around with ‘Freedom Fries’, what the hell are they going to call fish-n-chips now?
Fern @ 82
Que voulez-vous dire par cela? Comprends pas.
rwcole @ 89
Looks like her principles are way better than her strategy. Unless she is dealing with a congress full of cats that is impossible to herd. Personally, though, I still have a lot of respect for the woman.
bobschacht @ 86
Could be novacaine from a cavity being filled. But I am not watching.
Jane Hamsher:
maybe they are not an opposition party involved in an ideological war?
maybe they are an elite faction with slightly different marketing and spin from the (R) brand, but still in fundamental agreement on most things?
It would explain a lot.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 79
The lunatic fringe has grabbed the steering wheel and is running the nation off a cliff.
-GSD
No. Peaches must always be on the table for serving war criminals.
Eli @ 90
Certainly not the only one – but still meaningful I think.
Who farted?
Jeri tells us:
Thompson, 41, says she met her future husband at a Nashville supermarket on July 4, 1996, a few years before she moved to Washington. To hear her tell it, the then-U.S. senator from Tennessee was standing in line with a can of beanie weenies and half a premade tuna fish sandwich.
“I looked at him and just said, ‘I’m so sorry,’” Thompson says, adding that he carried her groceries to the car, and she invited him to a friend’s party that night.
Years later, she tells People: “I was never an older-man-dater kind of girl before.”
Jeri Thompson is a Naperville, Ill., native who has worked for the Republican National Committee, on Capitol Hill, and at a public relations-lobbying firm.
punaise @ 67
“Right above where I poo…That’s my ticket out, so for joy I will shout,and Vietnam is all for youuuu…Now, excuse me!”
;>)
Frank Davis @ 98
Ah yes, Rush is as popular as porn. Maybe even heroin…hillbilly heroin that is.
-GSD
I thnk that’s the basic fact the Democrats in DC just can’t assimilate: it is war and the Republicans are out to destroy them completely. They make no bones about it – they say it openly.
You’d think HRC of all people would get this after what she and Bill were put through – but the orchestrated reaction to her saying of the forbidden name “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy” has taught her caution.
Somewhere in some fantasy, Hillary will enter the White House in 2009 and transform Buffy-like into Hillary the Neocon slayer who will drive a stake through their hearts, starting with Rush.
And DC Democrats will grow backbones.
Keith, Blackwater will not protect FBI in Baghdad!
JugOPunch @ 51
I don’t know. Here’s the Colin McEnroe courant link.
Do you really think that Prez Rudy will sever relations with Blackwater?
Frank Davis @ 98
Like I was saying, Rush is for fat angry white men. Did I mention inarticulate too?
pinson @ 7
There *is* one out there on the internets that I ran across within the last few days; can’t remember if someone at the Lake or another site posted it. Read thru’ it and not finding any sponsors from whom I buy products, neglected to bookmark. So very sorry I can’t help. Keep asking at the Lake; maybe someone was more foresightful than I.
We are hearing from Edwards on Blackwater on Olbermann. Can we now hear from Obama and Hillary on the issue.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 109
Nope, but he’ll make sure Bernie Kerik is a high official.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 113
He’s got my vote.
Heads-up about action in the Senate tomorrow, Thursday:
Harry Reid, in adjourning the Senate for the night, just muttered something that sounded distinctly like the fact that Leslie Southwick’s Circuit Court nomination will be brought to the floor of the Senate tomorrow for a vote along with three District Court judge nominations (unless some Senator decides to place a hold on the nomination). Mitch McConnell promptly thanked Reid for his excellent cooperation (with the Republican agenda, I take it) on this matter, so I think I heard right.
Reid doesn’t know exactly when tomorrow the nominations will hit the floor but he intends to ensure that they do, he said (again, unless one Senator places a hold on Southwick’s nomination…).
P.S. The Senate version of the FY 2008 Defense Appropriations Bill is now in the bag and on its way to a conference with the House. Don’t know if we’ll see any more action in the Senate now about our occupation of Iraq before next January. Harry Reid has no interest in leverage – he can’t wait to pass the hot potatoes on to someone else, ASAP. [FWIW, I’ve decided that Harry Reid is a passive-aggressive coward who cowers in front of those he really fears - Bush, Cheney, McConnell and many other Republicans as well as their media enablers - and then takes his stifled fear out on those - like Feingold and Whitehouse and Webb - who want him to confront the bullies but are too decent to retaliate against him when he lashes out to stifle their efforts in the caucus in order to ‘keep the Republican peace’ (a state of affairs that Reid is fond of defining as “bipartisanship” in order to soothe his conscience and to rebuild his tattered self-esteem).]
Lurking Mod, there’s one more cleanup on aisle 51.
Ta!
John Edwards was great on KO.
I’m leaning toward Edwards. I believe that Edwards could beat any of the Republican candidates. Oh… and I like what Edwards says about Iraq. Of course I could change my mind. Depending…
yellowsnapdragon @ 114
Mine too.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
I can hear it now: “I never had relations with Blackwater. Ask my mistress…ooops…my wife.”
Yeah — other than the fact that he’s got about 10 million listeners, and makes gadzillions of dollars for the stations he’s on and the advertisers, I think you’ve really got him on the ropes.
Did a liitle more looking for the LOGO. I love the googlely
Mad Dogs @ 121
Do you think Rudy will still be married to the same wife by the time of the election? All those phone calls during his fundraising events really creep me out. I can’t imagine that happening in a healthy relationship.
Yeah, Rush must be in *great* shape if the trolls feel the need to come out in force to defend him…
shipwreckedcrew @ 120
Stop with the logic please.
Mad Dogs @ 115
But the poem’s not finished!
“…Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build’em up with worn-out tools“
Funny how conservatives always choke up at that part.
;>)
Hi everyone.
The amazing thing to me is, Rush has been on AFR since at least the mid-90’s, when he was assassinating the character of the CNC every day-for years.
Why the hell did they not remove him years ago, when, daily, he was actively undermining the CNC’s ability to command the respect of the troops?
The politicization of the military.
BTW, Mitch, thank you for the nice comments.
Loo Hoo. @ 60
Oh that is rich!
Feels drawings coming on….
RonD @ 126
See 120.
Just checking in.
We seem to have a rabid outbreak of trolls tonight, eh?
The truth is hitting too close to home.
shipwreckedcrew @ 121
Which only proves PT Barnum’s adage that you won’t go broke underestimating the intelligence of the average American.
NRO made fun of Jane Hamsher, that’s why we’re all here for the party.
dakine01 @ 130
Oklahoma kiddo @ 111
Kiddo,
I have been invited to a cozy forum in NE Iowa to hear Mr. Edwards. I and my spouse will ask two questions if we are able. I am asking fellow firepups for their input. I am driveby right now but will read the comments.(Have to go to Choir practice and then put my Peanut to bed.)
I suppose you should ignore this ! I was resp[onding to comments made a 100 remarks back. Never go off to do a chore and return w/o updating the comments…
Mr. Cooper is looking more and more like a person that I could grow to really, really like. I think they missed a real opportunity when he was denied admittance to the CBC.
Eli @ 123
I can’t even imagine how bad it gets here behind the scenes.
Hats off to the Mods of The Lake! Huzzah!
Stick an apple in the pigs mouth and put him on a slow spit with a very hot fire.
It’s amazing that Rush feels it’s necessary to send his people to little ole lefty blogs like this to defend him.
dakine01 @ 130
I believe it was H.L. Mencken that coined the phrase.
Bluetoe @ 139
Yeah, Barnum was more about sucker frequency.
eCAHNomics @ 137
Limpdick told ‘em there was gonna be a sorority rush and they’d get to peek in the windows if they’d just do this one little chore for him.
Raven, I don’t believe for a second that Rush is on AFR purely because he makes them money. AFR is funded by the DoD…they have less need to make max financial return than any radio network in America..he is on there because someone has decided that they want the troops to hear Limbaugh’s particular brand of propaganda.
Bluetoe @ 138
Wrong attribution is my bad but the sentiment expressed is spot on.
Evenin’,All;
Apologies if these have already been linked, but here are some interesting observations on Democrats and MSM spin; Carpetbagger and The Horses Mouth.
GM or Ford is one of Rush’s sponsors. Call the local dealers and tell them you were considering one of their products but after hearing they sponsor the Bloviator you have decided on another company. 100,000 people making that call and it won’t be long before the automaker gives Rush a big fat wet send off kiss.
RevDeb @ 130
Ever notice the difference in basic writing ability between the pups and the trolls?
RonD @ 141
No quibble here. Ah for the days of Chris Noel.
Everyone know what they are gunna buy with their Soros check?
;)
smapdi @ 147
guns.
HA! RonD @ 147
Lol HA!
Jim Clausen @ 132
Perhaps a question about Iran or one concerning what would be appropriate U.S. policy and action relative to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. On the domestic side, maybe a question about what would Mr. Edwards’ most important priority be in terms of enhancing public education for our children. A question about “no child left behind” might be good. There are so many questions which should be asked. ;0)
RonD @ 149
Butter.
Mmm… butter…
Frank Davis @ 131
It sounds like Jane officially made the big time then!! ;-)
Limbaugh is a big fat idiot!!
From the wiki
AFN also offers a variety of radio programming over its various frequencies throughout the world. Not only is there local programming (with airmen and soldiers as disc jockeys), but there is satellite programming, as well. Music programming spans Rock, Oldies, R&B and country music. Ryan Seacrest AT 40 and the American Country Countdown with Kix Brooks are broadcast weekly over AFN Radio. In addition to music, AFN broadcasts syndicated talk radio programs such as Car Talk, Kim Komando, Rush Limbaugh, The Tom Joyner Morning Show, The Motley Fool Radio Show, A Prairie Home Companion, Dr. Laura, Sports Overnight America, and other programs from National Public Radio and other sources. Letters From War by Mark Schultz was the #1 song on AFN in 2004.
On December 5 2005, liberal/progressive talkers Al Franken from Air America Radio and Ed Schultz from Jones Radio Network, along with Sean Hannity, were added to the radio programs provided by the AFN Broadcast Center to its affiliate stations. [1]
smapdi @ 147
Certainly not haircuts or soap.
;>)
raven @ 145
and Robin Williams
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 152
Where??? I just came in.
Rush fans see the fat man as an extension of themselves- their bodies. They see him as their ersatz dick. It’s no wonder that they respond so quickly to seeing him get smashed.
Eli @ 151
Beer!!!!!
smapdi @ 147
health insurance?
Dick Durbin compared conditions and they went into full roar. they call us un-American and ‘faggot’ and whatever the hell they want then act like WE are all thin skinned. they’ve been calling the shots on who is “civil” for some time and, to hear them tell it, it’s never them.
they are fighting tooth and nail because Rush is an important part of the process. how can they keep calling us pussies and faggots and crying when they don’t like what WE say without El Rushbo, Great American? the guy who goes to the White House! the guy who got to go on CBS and say that I’M not patriotic! How dare anybody accuse him of not drinking from his demitasse with his pinkie extended.
ENOUGH of this crap. Go ahead, call us names. don’t pretend like you don’t. the righties want to have their cake and eat it too. why? because they’ve been ALLOWED TO FOR YEARS.
let’s stop this crap!
Frank Davis @ 131
I know KJ Lopez is a noted Duran Duran scholar and all, but please, don’t send less than Bill-O.
Kathryn in MA @ 156
Adrian Kronauer
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 158
(fools) Chocolate!!1!
CCMask @ 157
See what I responded too. Apparently NRO said something about Jane. Funny .. them wingnuts!!
RonD @ 142
Remember at the beginning of the occupation when the DOD was paying for propaganda in Iraq?
Fern @ 95
I think that before starting her job as Speaker, Pelosi and her “brain trust”(?) decided on a two-year plan, including no impeachment, stopping the war, and “centrism”, all in the name of electing more Democrats at all levels in 2008. “Centrism,” DLC-style, means hawkish on the war, and playing kissy-po with George like Nancy has been doing ever since last November, all in the name of “bipartisan cooperation.”
Their strategy worked fine for about six months. But by now, they have found out that to Bush, “bipartisanship” means “you do what Bush wants,” and their strategy lies shattered on the floor. Almost nothing of importance they’re doing is working– but Rahm and their “brain(?) trust” want to just hold on until November 2008, when they think they will be rewarded.
I think it will be a disaster if they just hunker down and wait until Nov. ‘08. They better wake up and smell the coffee.
Bob in HI
Keith is piling on Rush as I type this.
Go Keith!
Dems are winning. They have a substantial lead in approval and registration- and all this in the last year and a half.
raven @ 163
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 153
OK, I’m lame.
What’s NRO in this context?
ThxBai
FunnyD
bobschacht @ 166
We should tell Speaker Pelosi WE are her brain trust!!
This outrage is greatly exxagerated and will come to naught in its consequences.
First – Rush Limbaugh has been praising members of the Armed Forces since before Desert Shield, one of the reasons the members of said Armed Forces requested his show on AFR. His explanation is sufficiently plausible that his fans, both military and civilian, will let it pass, whether the readers of this space like it or not. I have no doubt his show would again be requested by large numbers of service members, certainly enough to keep him on AFR.
Second – re:editing the transcript – oh, puh-LEASE. Listen to the unedited playback and explain the significant portion he left out.
Third – Digby states, “One of the main sources of Republican power is their ability to gin up controversies like this latest MoveOn thing…” Sorry, but the GOP didn’t place that ad in the NYT. MoveOn did, and it was as poorly thought-out as anything I’ve seen by an advocacy group. You’re blaming Conservatives and Republicans for hitting a softball tossed underhand from 10 feet in front of the plate.
Fourth – Liberals have a network, it’s call Air America. Its ratings were horrible. Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, et al, are still on the air because they get enough listeners to generate ad money.
Lastly – I am thoroughly depressed by reading what passes for political commentary in this space. Contributors in this space are insisting that a political commentator be forced off the air by the Democrat Party – I can only presume they mean Congressional Democrats. The left defends jealously their 1st Amendment rights when their speech is criticized by the right. They now insist on actions against others to which they so vehemently object when they are the subject? Limbaugh is a political commentator with whom you thoroughly disagree. Fine. I don’t agree with anybody on Air America, but I would never think of demanding Congressional Republicans take steps to remove them from the airwaves. Some would, certainly! And I vehemently disagree with that position. That the readership here disagrees only inasmuch as they have a different target is disheartening.
PeteCO @ 142
Thanks for the links.
I agree with those who have noted the rise in the troll population tonight. I’ve never seen so many here. They must be getting scared.
Say, here’s a string of “what if”?….
**What if Hillary Clinton (or any other dem, but especially Hillary) does win the presidency? It’s likely.
**What if we still have around 100-thousand troops stuck in Iraq at that time? Unfortunately, given the way things are going it’s also likely.
**What if the military still has Rush on AFR at that time? Unless something wonderful happens, probably also likely.
Well now. Sounds to me that the top brass will be facing the situation where they’re giving an hour of air-time to someone who has spent years sliming the living HELL out of their current Commander-In-Chief, and who is likely to continue to do so. Now why is the term “giving aid and comfort to the enemy” rattling around in my head?
How do you think that will play? If the people running the military are smart, they’ll chuck our fat friend now. That way, it won’t look like they’re completely blowing with the wind when they have to dump Rush in ‘09.
Michael J. Tierney @ 173
No off switch? Try control alt delete.
ADM @ 175
Just remember. They aren’t worth feeding.
Oh I’d like to see Rush step into the ring with “the phony soldier” McGough. Of course ‘Pills’ is a coward, just like Bush. What war did you fight in Rush?
OT Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but Buzzflash says Domenici will announce his retirement. GREAT
Hugh @ 174
No probs. I love my Yahoo page.
Twain @ 180
And another one bites the dust.
RevDeb @ 178
Oh I never feed the trolls.
Taking someone off AFN is not taking them “off the airwaves”.
McGough is a man.
Oh nay, good sir – Not,”…come to naught in its consequences”, forsooth.
Mayhap such foolery should be relegated to a little town called Context, therefore to wither and droop with the passage of the aeons.
;>)
Michael J. Tierney @ 172
Yeah, well, the D team is learning how to Fight. Get used to it. There’s more coming.
Ghostman
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 165
Thanks. I’m watching the Crooks & Liars CNN video right now.
It’s kinda like takin someone off of PBS which the goopers were eager to do once they gained power- why? Cause it gets govt. support- just like armed services radio.
What’s good fer the fuckin goose…..
I would never advocate taking Rush off the public airwaves, for obvious 1st Amendment reasons. I would strongly advocate taking him off AFR, as he is a divisive influence, and destructive to the ability of Democrats to function in a military context, either as civilian or duty. Soldiers don’t get everything they want. The needs of the Service must control, as they say, and a true patriot should serve with equal fervor regardless of who his civilian authority is, as long as that authority is legally constituted.
There is no excuse to be subjecting the troops to daily doses of partisan propaganda.
they don’t call them “dittoheads” for nothing.
none of Rush’s SEVERAL excuses make any sense to anyone who doesn’t believe them as soon as they hear them.
it’s “selective outrage” and it’s been caught in the headlights – AGAIN.
*SALUTE* to SSgt Brian McGough, USA (retired)
Goopers managed to get an incompetent, partisan, dishonest, felon assigned to NPR and threatened the hell out of the organization unless they started givin the goopers slant on the facts.
ccmask @ 188
If you haven’t watched it, check out what Jon did to Tweety last night.
Priceless.
All our men and woman soldiers in Iraq have guts. Something Bush and Pills know nothing about.
Arianna Huffington was once married to a big time right wing puke and she was too. Watch old Bill Mayer shows before Sept. 11, 2001. Now she rakes in millions from the left.
I need to move to California and re-invent myself. And learn how to not throw up.
raven @ 177
Or hold the power button in for 5-10 seconds. This is why I stopped going to Huffpo.
Funnydiva2002 @ 171
National Repug Orifices…ooops…sometimes but rarely also referred to as National Review Online.
I call them dildo-heads.
-GSD
To bad the democrats are clueless, leaderless, gutless and spineless. cleve
Michael J. Tierney @ 174
Got a link to that unedited transcript?
rwcole @ 193
Just remember. Facts have a liberal bias.
RevDeb @ 178
Definitely an exponential increase tonite! Aloha, Pups! My Cardiac Sox are a’rolling tonite…!!! *g*
Mad Dogs @ 199
Oh.
Fanks, MadDogs!
FunnyD
GSD @ 199
I like that G!
Isn’t it wonderful that the trolls waste their time over here at the lake.
These poor O’Reilly and Limbaugh tools are burnishing their fascsist fighting credentials by being blog trolls.
They will boast one day about fighting the good fight as though they have seen combat.
Goes hand in hand with the wingnuts that thought Scooter Libby was a “soldier left on the field”.
They are deluded.
-GSD
Pantload gets WPITW
rwcole @ 158
Ding!
When dems won the white house- we had a right to assume that they would fight against Bush doing anything legislatively with his “agenda” (check) that there would be no more fascist supreme court appointments during his term (too soon to say) and that there would be lots of hearings looking into gooper crimes (CHECK).
We also had a right to suppose that they would behave competent enough to win the White House and congress next time around- looking good so far..
Lots of disappointments along the way as we learn the limits of power of a narrow majority in the senate- but not bad in my opinion…
I NEVER expected that dems could end the war without winning the White House.
This may sound harsh but those who like to listen to Rush Limbaugh are bigots, and neither they nor Rush would know a logical argument or an honest debate if it hit them.
Hugh @ 212
I think a large part of his appeal is that he lets bigots feel good about their bigotry, like it’s patriotic and hardheaded and admirable somehow.
Those who have listened to and believed Limbaugh for years are either outright stupid or naive.
There has rarely been a larger, no pun intended, huckster of crap in American history.
Limbaugh has lived off of the P.T. Barnum motto for years.
-GSD
Hugh @ 211
I have nothing to add to this, so…
Off on the business of the Queen. See everyone later.
Eli @ 212
I admit that I’ve never listened to Rush. Can’t imagine why any sentient person would, but it seems there are millions of non-sentients out & about.
newspaperbrat @ 209
and their dick needs suitcases full of vi*gr*….
ah mr rush; the boil on the ass of the body politic…
Eli @ 211
And also sets out the image that the more bigoted and hardheaded they can be, the more they will be rewarded for it. “Look at Rush . . . he’s gettin’ millions . . . “
Loo Hoo. @ 201
It’s all here. But of course they won’t listen, because it’s Media Matters.
Anyone who still buys into Bushco (the 28%’ers) are impossible to argue with. The stupidity is hard-wired.
CTuttle @ 203
GO ROCKIES!
So, Romney was studying the science of stem cells? Who is he: Mitt Hicks the Science Prick?
Ghostman @ 12
heh.
When Poetry Circles Attack…
Can I get into trouble if I said I’d like to challenge Pills to one three minute round in the ring?
Eli @ 212
I think a large part of his appeal is that he lets bigots feel good about their bigotry, like it’s patriotic and hardheaded and admirable somehow.
Back in Rush’s ESPN days, it seemed like the only thing keeping Tom Jackson from decking the Doughsbury Pillboy was professionalism. I think that a good public chewing out is in order now.
Whenever I think that K.J. Lopez might possibly have something cogent to offer I remember that she was predicting a miraculous victory in 2006 for Rick Santorum in PA.
Then I laugh and laugh.
-GSD
eCAHNomics @ 215
I’ve had the occasional misfortune of riding with friends/acquaintances who do listen to him. I usually wind up asking why they listen to his noise as I know they have brains to think for themselves so don’t need to be told how to believe. The standard response is some level of embarrassment.
america is full of screwballs who think they are the marlboro man incarnate.
these guys love rush.
but he couldn’t fool all the wives….
It’s been one of those threads . . .
*raising glass*
To the Mods!
*ding*
ploeg @ 224
Did you ever see the “ESPN Football University” commercials where he was running around a college campus tackling students? Just a mental image to file away…
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280009?f=h_top
g’evening pups…its pointless trying to reason with oxyboy’s listeners…they’re convinced he’s sent to keep godless DFHs in their places doncha know…jane is now on their hitlist… but they dont know we have her back!!!
What’s fun is the degree the wingnut establishment is going to go to support their boy. Read this carefully. There will be a quiz…
More here: http://www.exile.ru/blog/detai…..AUTHOR_ID=
Hugh @ 211
It’s ironic that they accuse us of trying to squelch free speech, by censuring Rush and heralding Move-on, as I recall we had a very heated discussion over the Ad, that very day…! Many of us agree that we’re all entitled to an opinion, but, we don’t cram it down one another’s throat… Short, of threats of bodily injury, or, crying fire… we’re pretty accommodating…!!!
Rush Limbaugh today was dropped two miles outside the green zone with a horse, a Colt.45 and a striped blanket.
oh and mirrored shades.
he’ll find the phony soldiers if it takes all day.
Hugh @ 211
Bottom line is; They’re stupid. As in lacking intelligence. I’m not going to apologise to anyone for saying that, it’s based on over forty years of observation. Not every republican is a bigot, but every bigot is a republican (or an English Tory).
Will Dinesh DaLoser tell Clarence Thomas that racism is over?
-GSD
FYI, new post
New thread from Marisa Trevino:
Soft Ethnic Cleansing In Irving Texas
The Rush formula is pretty simple- you start with an hypothesis- that the world is being run by Liberals- who are evil people who are in cahoots to make fools out of Rush’s fans. They consist of Scientists, professors, lawyers, anyone from another country- everyone who KNOWS anything.
Then you read a couple of newspapers every day and look for stories that you can twist to confirm your hypothesis- then you have a quasi preacher tone of voice and a shrill attack that makes you appear tough to the ignorant.
That’s all it takes- he’s pretty damned GOOD at it. He is successful because he takes advantage of his fan’s mindset that they are oppressed by people who have educations.
Marisa has a new thread up above…
Here’s my comment on El Rushbo -
Just for the Phony Soldier comment alone, Rush shouldn’t be on Armed Forces Radio.
He’s causing dissension in the ranks by suggesting the test of Real Soldiering is being ‘Gung-Ho’ for Bush’s “I’m Never Wrong” Ideology.
Our Soldiers – all of them – take an Oath to Defend The Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Not Defend Bush for his Bad Judgment.
Our Soldiers can despise Bush for recklessly placing them in harms way, and that doesn’t mean they are Phony Soldiers. In fact, it would be just the opposite – Real Soldiering – if they are doing their duty to Defend The Constitution.
You see, in Our America, even duty-bound Soldiers get to have opinions.
AFR doesn’t need Rush barking out “get your Mind in line” smears to our fellow Americans in the Armed Services, especially those getting shot at, wounded and killed.
Why should measuring-up to Rush’s “I Never Served, but I’m a Better Ideologue Than You” yardstick be relevant to Our Citizen Military?
I’ll never forget the very first time I heard Rush Limbaugh. Mr. Marion in Savannah and I were driving down to Savannah from New York (where we lived then) for a visit and he popped up on the radio as we were searching for a new station. As God is my witness, we loved the hell out of him. We thought he was the funniest comedian since George Carlin…
Hey CTuttle, hows about that Becket? Aloha Bra!
Rush already got his fat ass kicked off one program for blatant rascism.
dakine01 @ 242
Complete Game Shutout!!! Woo-hoo!!! 8-)
Cubs don’t even START until 10 pm. Don’t know how I’m going to get through this.
GO CUBS!
RevDeb @ 245
A Cubbie-Red Sox WS would be awesome…!!!
CTuttle @ 245
It couldn’t get any better than that.
RevDeb @ 245
Prayer and Faith.
rwcole @ 238
It’s a species of demagoguery. Maybe not the oldest profession, but definitely in the top five.
Peterr @ 247
Amen.
Ed*ard Teller @ 5
Start with something very close to the individual voter and work out from there.
If it doesn’t touch a person they can more easily ignore it and they might not even realize it’s importance.
Hitting wires, IRS to look into Media Matters tax exemption.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 69
For that kinda money somebody is expecting a whole heap of personal services or some kind of huge feed trough from the government. It looks like the kinda money you might invest in something big…like a war or maybe ‘the next war’.
Aaaah, couldn’t be, could it?
Who has won the presidency within the last decade or two who hasn’t raised a shit pot full of money- it ain’t a gonna happen.
Hugh @ 94
Smut talk! Yep, I knew it. Talkin’ French right here in broad daylight. We’ve got trouble right here in River City.
By ADAM NAGOURNEY 7:05 PM ET
As Fred Thompson traveled across Iowa this week, he was something other than the dynamic presence some in his party have hoped for, often lulling listeners into stillness.
Struck me as pretty funny
“lulling listeners into stillness”
Could have used one more “L” but still a good line.
“luring listeners into languid slumber”?
jack moss @ 252
Unless you can provide a link, I call bullshit, and troll bullshit at that!
Jim Clausen @ 133
It’s best of course if it comes from your heart, but since you asked for suggestions…
Senator Edwards, I don’t believe we can afford to lose the presidency in 2008 and since the Republicans are a lot more confrontational in their campaigns I’m wondering if you can answer those tough questions better than either Hillary or Barack.
For example,
Have you ever used illegal drugs or smoked marijuana?
Have you ever driven while intoxicated?
Have you ever provided legal counsel to the Black Panthers?
Have you ever gotten illegally imported drugs to help treat your wife’s cancer?
Are there ANY skeletons in your closet which might come out and cause you to lose the general election?
Rush, do the honorable thing. Yes, of course, you can smoke one last cigar.
“The fact that the Democrats aren’t going after Rush hammer and tongs is largely due to their failure to see themselves as an opposition party involved in an ideological war. The view from inside the Beltway Bubble seems to obscure this plain and simple truth that appears quite obvious to those of us outside of it. The Republicans understand it, and that’s why they’ve been so successful at controlling the agenda as a minority party.
Rush is a huge part of why they’re always on the ropes, losing these battles of phony outrage and spin. It’s time to take him out.”
You said it Jane! the Republicans have been ‘at war’ with the Democrats for many years (they admit it daily, just listen to Rush, Coulter, etc.). thank goodness many of us are fighting back.
cleve @ 200
OMG, poetic. May I quote you? Heh.
RonD @ 190
But RonD, according to the wiki citation earlier, AFR also carries former Air America personalities, unabashed liberal partisans. By your own argument, wouldn’t their commentary be, to paraphrase your own assertion, destructive to the ability of Republicans to function in a military context?
Commentators from either end of the political spectrum will be seen as divisive by listeners from the other end of that spectrum. Should AFR rid itself completely of political commentary?
Moron doesn’t quite say it all. Is lefty synonymous for idiot? Rush is around until they plant him in the ground.
raven @ 177: No off switch? Try control alt delete.
PeteCO @ 197: Or hold the power button in for 5-10 seconds. This is why I stopped going to Huffpo.
I’m not certain exactly what to make of these statements. My best guess is that these two contributors are trying to tell me, not in so many words, to leave the forum.
One of the constant complaints I hear about Conservatives is that we spend our time in echo chambers, i.e. we repeat the same basic talking points to ourselves and refuse to engage those with whom we disagree.
Well, here I am. Reading, contributing, debating those with whom I disagree. I have seen a few posts with objective commentary. Unfortunately, the vast majority do nothing more than display an impressive degree of creativity in name-calling. Well, gee, Ann Coulter does as much. Is that the level to which the contributors aspire? To be the equivalent of liberal Ann Coulters? And, yes, there are many on the right who engage in the same kind of activity. I’m not one of them.
I want to discuss substantive comments with someone on this site regarding the allegation that Rush Limbaugh has referred to all military members who disagree with the current military strategy “phony soldiers”, and why his explanation is found lacking.
Takers?
darkblack @ 186
LOL – nice. I’ll concede, just because I know there’s no way I can gin up Ye Olde English that well!!
I want to discuss substantive comments with someone on this site regarding the allegation that Rush Limbaugh has referred to all military members who disagree with the current military strategy “phony soldiers”, and why his explanation is found lacking.
[crickets chirping]
No one cares what you think. Go away.
It’s time to take him out.
God, I’ve been waiting to hear this for nearly twenty years now. Please, dear Lord, let it be true. Remove this filth from our public discourse.
I think I figured out something about him, though, or at least how he’s perceived. People on the right and on the left have one thing in common when it comes to Rush Limbaugh: we take his words seriously. Not so the political and media elites, who see his ratings and just think of him as another media person, paying no attention to his actual words. So they’re shocked when anyone else does. If any ESPN exec had spent twenty minutes actually listening to his show, he never would have gotten that football job in the first place. But they were surprised when he spouted racist crap. Why? Because they had never actually listened to him.
I just listened to the Rush audio. He was definitely talking about the soldiers that were faking news stories, etc. Sheesh, you guys are one step away from advocating censorship.
I want to discuss substantive comments with someone on this site regarding the allegation that Rush Limbaugh has referred to all military members who disagree with the current military strategy “phony soldiers”, and why his explanation is found lacking.
Takers?
—
Sure. This is Hillary wheeling into action and trying to silence the opposition. This is fascism, and an active suppression of the media and I have never seen anything like it.
Too bad NRO doesn’t accept comments. There could be a great conversation over there if they did.
Bring it on. Bring. It. On.
Too bad the lefties don’t realize they are adding listeners to Rush’s show ever time they get worked up about things they manufacture. Rush is laughing all the way to the bank, and you’re the ones helping him. Perhaps if you found something really substantial to complain about, like the way women are treated in Muslim countries, or the way Hugo Chavez is turning Venezuela into a dictatorship. Oh I forgot, you took the idea of silencing media you don’t like from his playbook.
Why don’t you work on your arguments, and try to persuade us that your way is the right way instead of acting like fascists and bullying everyone into submission. We are all Americans and no matter what, I’d still rather have you as a neighbor than Osama Bin Laden.
Mad Dogs @ 115
Quote: “No one cares what you think. Go away.”
I couldn’t agree more with Michael J. Tierney. This doesn’t seem to be a forum for debate, but rather a forum for attack against those with whom you disagree. Let’s read the arguments you have to share and discuss them as adults.
JugOPunch @ 121
I think it needs stilletto heels and a bound and gagged Senator Craig (or Vitter) to complete the dominatrix appearance.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 102
And ever since, in the boudoir, she calls him “Beanie Weenie” and he calls her “My little Tuna.”
Moments ago, I visited the website of Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga), leaving an angry comment. Link as follows:
http://kingston.house.gov/blog/?p=732#respond
I see that comment moderation has been enabled. In case my comment is rejected, here is the full text of what I left:
So it remains to be seen if Jack Kingston’s minions decide to keep my comment or delete it. I wouldn’t be surprised to find it missing by morning. Damn, these neo-cons. What a bunch of low-lifes.
TBogg has video of the NRO fundraising brainstorming session.
Michael @ 270
Soldiers? He claimed it was one soldier. Can’t even get your alibis straight, eh?
“The Democrats need to position themselves better then grabbing their ankles all the time”
Why ?? That’s what you wingnuts do best. Hows the view down there ?
swampcracker, you neglected to mention the fact that your daughter volunteered to serve in the military. While your comments were artfully crafted, you haven’t quite made a point. That said, I respect your daughter’s service to our country and I am grateful to her for it.
Listen to the wailing and lamentations from wingnuttia, and it’s obvious why the Flush Rush campaign has them wetting their panties: for the first time, they are on defense.
And as Rove said, if you’re on defense, you’re LOSING.
You guys are gonna take out Rush?
lol.
Hillary Soros will do her best, but nobody’s gonna take out Rush.
Your echo chamber is messin’ with your grip on reality.
Everyone know why women leave men like Rush Limbaugh. He should get treatment instead of spewing from the mouth.
shipwreckedcrew says:
October 3rd, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Yeah — other than the fact that he’s got about 10 million listeners, and makes gadzillions of dollars for the stations he’s on and the advertisers, I think you’ve really got him on the ropes.
He now has about 13.5 million listeners. About 10 years ago, he had 20. If we apply the sort of constant pressure that the VRWC does, we can pare him down even further.
You guys are gonna take out Rush?
He didn’t last too long on ESPN, did he? One thing advertisers don’t like is controversy.
swampcracker @ 279
Swampcracker,
What is your opinion of Jesse Macbeth and Scott Beauchamp? And with Rush Limbaugh’s long history of strong support for the troops, why do you find it so hard to believe that it was individuals such as these about whom he was speaking when he used the expression, “phony soldiers”?
Kevin Hayden @ 281
Kevin, that’s a really minor detail, and I think you know it. The stories about Jesse Macbeth and Scott Beauchamp were common knowledge among the VRWC – for crying out loud, ABCNews did a report on Macbeth!
Added to which, while I haven’t been able to listen to Rush as often as I have in the past, I do recall hearing him acknowledge that there are going to be members of the military who disagree with current military policy. If memory serves, he expressed his appreciation for their service, even if he disagreed with their point of view. Never, ever have I heard him denigrate a member of the military speaking in good faith.
The Military LOVES Rush. He has done more for the troops over the past four years then most. This incident is going to blow-up in our faces because there is no truth to his comments. I’ve listened to the entire radio conversation. Phoney Troops was in the context of solders who aren’t solders but say they are. If we’re not carful we’re going to become like the boy who cried wolf.
During Limbaugh’s extensive and contradictory backfilling yesterday he once again stated “you can’t support the troops if you don’t support the mission”. I’m sure he’s exempting years ‘93-’00 but this, along with him agreeing with the “real soldiers” caller that they signed up to go to Iraq, is telling to me.
“swampcracker, you neglected to mention the fact that your daughter volunteered to serve in the military.”
to true… but these soldiers are LEAVING the armed forces… and this is going to be a LONG war…
guess who’s left?
you 28% that voted for bush twice.
you voted for WAR! you can not DISOWN THE RESULTS…
as the current crop of volunteer armed forces deros/retire/ and are honorably discharged from their misbegotten duties in dubya’s foolish religious war the vacuum will need to be filled…
every last one of you ditto head dipshits will be rounded up and enlisted before a single rational american submits to a draft…
at this point 72% of americans will not defend bully bush.
Limbaugh… Narcotics violator. Sex tourist. Republican. the facts, just he facts
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I would hope that the reason that the left doesn’t “go after” Rush Limpdick is that we tread the higher ground. We actually believe in freedom of speech.
OK I guess I’ll say it here first. STATISTICAL FACT: 1/2 of US population is of less than average intelligence. Remember that the brain challenged have to have something to believe in too. It might be victory in Iraq, the imminent return of Jesus or a flat earth but you can rest assured they will not be pulling for anything that requires more intelligence than they have. Approach these “dims” with pity not anger – they literally don’t have the brains to come in out of the reign.
For the record, my assumption in #114 above was wrong; I misheard Harry Reid’s comment about a pending Circuit Court Judge nomination. Reid was not speaking of Leslie Southwick’s nomination, as it turns out. Here’s the Congressional Record transcript of the remarks Senator Reid made on the Senate floor Wednesday just before adjournment for the day: