Well, it looks like the Republicans didn’t manage to persuade Waxman to postpone this.
Here’s a list of today’s witnesses:
- Erik Prince, Chairman, the Prince Group, LLC and Blackwater USA
- Ambassador David M. Satterfield, Special Adviser, Coordinator for Iraq, Department of State
- Ambassador Richard J. Griffin, Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Diplomatic Security and Director of the Office of Foreign Missions, Department of State
- William H. Moser, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Logistics Management, Department of State
Waxman’s opening statement
Waxman starts by hammering on the theory of outsourcing. Mentions that the oversight of the outsourcing has been outsourced.
“Inside our government it has become an article of faith that outsourcing is best.”
Is Blackwater helping, or hurting our efforts in Iraq. What are the costs to taxpayers.
I want to thank Erik Prince. Points out that Prince is a rich kid who served in the military–and thanks him for that service.
Waxman repeats the numbers on sergeants’ pay v. Blackwater costs. Blackwater costs 6 times as much. Cites Gates noting that Blackwater can lure highly trained troops out of service. Mentions the troubling Blackwater incidents. [Waxman is basically reviewing the details from this report.] Waxman got the “may be worse than Abu Ghraib” comment in.
Now talking about State’s oversight of Blackwater. He describes the Blackwater guard shooting a VP’s bodyguard.
“If Blackwater and other companies are really providing better service at lower cost, than the outsourcing makes sense. … Facts, not ideology, need to guide us here.”
FBI asked that Committee not discuss the most recent Blackwater incident.
Waxman: I’ll ask Prince and State witnesses not to discuss the September 17 incident today.
Tom Davis Opening Statement
Outsourcing has been going on for more than 20 years.
We appreciate adding State Department witnesses today. Examine broader range of issues relating to contractors operating in military environment. [More hearings coming.] By some estimates contractors exceed US military personnel in Iraq. Describes how the placement of troops outside of centers, we’ll need more contractors.
Shorter Davis: “The surge means we need more contractors.”
Documents “suggest the State Department is trying to get it right.” But State Department Oversight seems to have some blind spots as well. Is the higher violence a result of a cowboy culture?
“We should take care not to prejudge the ongoing investigations into those events” (the September 17 incident). [I guess it was only a matter of time before we heard "ongoing investigation," huh? It's like mother's milk for Republicans.]
4 Members on each side with opening statements. (Argh! This is one big soapbox!!)
Tierny (D-MA): Whether or not it makes sense to contract out in the first place. Outsourcing has allowed the Administration to double its force with no political price. If we relied more on our allies, they would have shared the decision-making. They’ve paid little private capital. Some 9 individuals a week losing their lives, not reported to the American people. Harming counter-insurgency effort. And we have far too few govt managers to oversee this.
McHenry (R-Mysterious gay men surrounding him-NC): Irresponsible to investigate September 17 investigation. Irresponsible. Irresponsible. Irresponsible. Blackwater has protected dozens, if not hundreds of Congress. Not one member of Congress injured or killed under Blackwater protection. Don’t listen to the press! Let us cover-up this incident!! We all abhor the loss of any human life. We should exercise patience, “ongoing investigations.” Let’s not follow the front page dictates of trial lawyers, as this committee has done.
Maloney (D-NY): Troubling reports on incidents involving Blackwater. Blackwater guards, highly trained, yet they make 6 times more than our military. I do not believe that Blackwater guards are more committed or more disciplined or more effective than American Armed Services. Why are we privatizing to an organization that has been aggressive and in some cases reckless. There are many questions we have on accountability. We were told we were going to save the govt money. It is costing significantly more for Blackwater to perform these duties.
Burton (R-IN): “Rush to judgment.” It’s going to be thoroughly investigated. While hearing here is okay, I hope everybody including media will know this is not the final report. 54,000 recorded attacks, 6000 a month. This is a time when we should re-evaluate. If we find after the investigation, then things need to be changed. There should not be a rush to judgment. Not one Congressman or public official killed while under the protection of these people.
Cumming (D-MD): The question is whether there’s accountability. Whether it created shadow military that is not accountable to US govt or anyone else. Blackwater appears to be involved in culture of shoot first and sometimes kill, and then ask questions. Are these undermining our mission in Iraq. This is about accountability. I’m going to be very interested in hearing what Prince has to say about accountability.
Issa (R-SoCal): This is not about Blackwater. A repeat of the MoveOn attack on Petraeus’ patriotism. We’re seeing what they couldn’t do to our men and women in Iraq. I’m not here to defend Blackwater. I am here to defend Petraeus and men and women in military. Many here speaking as though those on the dais don’t want to attack. We do not want military guarding State personnel.
[Republicans going over time repeatedly]
Kucinich (D-OH): A British polling agency determined more than a million Iraqis have died during the war. What is the government’s position on shooting of civilians. Private contractors have vested interest in keeping this war going. Blakwater’s approach undermines the US position and jeopardizes the safety of our soldiers.
Mica (R-FL): From the outset, Democrat side have tried to discredit the President. Did a great job discrediting the Iraqi govt. On page 15, a 48% drop in deaths, they don’t want that good news to get out. On the front page, other killings by Blackwater, I don’t know what happened on the 16th, If they’re intent on criminal misconduct. We are interfering with State investigation and Criminal investigation. [Say it--say "ongoing"!] If we really want to do this, we should not be holding this hearing. I move that the committee adjourn.
The No’s have it.
[It is stunning how closely the Republicans are aligning a hearing on Blackwater with discrediting the President--what does that say???]
Erik Prince: [He is sworn in]
Waxman: there have been press reports on September 16 incident. Conflicting accounts. I want to note that for the record the request to refrain from public comment came from DOJ, not Prince or anyone else. I know you’ve been prepared to talk about it, please don’t go into it.
Prince: Blackwater dedicated, risk their lives to protect Americans overseas. Under direction and oversight, allow veterans to continue their service to the US. I am proud to be there to represent them today. Blackwater employees, all veterans. No individual protected by Blackwater has been killed. [missed the number of Blackwater who have been killed] Areas of Iraq are dangerous and challenging–attacked by terrorists. Blackwater keeps Members of Congress safe. The company are already accountable and subject to numerous treaties and contracts. We look forward to seeing what improvements are necessarily. The worldwide contract was “competitively awarded.” [Uh huh] Blackwater reports to Regional Security Officer. RSO ensures that Blackwater complies with contractual terms and any relevant laws. 1000 people serving in Iraq. Serves only defensive functions. September 16 incident–welcome FBI review, look forward to receiving their conclusions.
Just want to put some things in perspective. This year 1873 diplomatic details outside of Green Zone. Over 56 incidents where weapons were discharged. [Prince's number shows that more weapons incidents this year than last, percentage basis]
Waxman: We’ve gone a major way to contract out what the govt would normally do. Your company $200,000 in contracts, now over a billion a year, quite a success. We’re paying a lot of money for privatized military. No one does better than our military. Are we paying more and getting less. A particular incident. Nov 27 2004. Plane run by Blackwater, crashed in Afghanistan. Carrying 3 active duty US personnel. Crash investigated. NTSB found that Blackwater captain behaved unprofessionally. Flying the low route “for fun,” pilots unfamiliar with the route. Flight crew joked “your a Star Wars man” “They wouldn’t pay me if they knew how much fun this was.” One senior US commander told WaPo “they act like cowboys.”
Did Blackwater’s pilots act responsibly?
Prince: I disagree that they acted like cowboys. We provided a reliable service to the AF in Afghanistan. Any time you have an accident, it’s an accident, something could have been done better. There’s no nav aids, rugged Alaska-style bush flying.
Waxman: Blackwater violated its own policies. It was your policy that required one pilot to have flown in theater for a month. One said, “I hope I’m going into the right valley. I’m just gonna go up this one.” Why didn’t Blackwater follow its own policies?
Prince: Not qualified to speak to experience of pilots. Was set to take off with two people on board, but we turned around to pick up Lt Col. The military violated their own policy. Yes, accidents happen. We’re flying more than a thousand missions a month.
Waxman: Failed to follow precautions, flight plan, etc. May have caused loss of life for the one survivor. Died of cold from inattention, no way for anyone to know where plane had landed, even though that’s a requirement. Email. Ironic he had to be a passenger on this plane, rather than be responsible for the safety of this flight. Col McMahon is asking why taxpayers should pay your company when military’s own pilots better trained and cheaper.
Prince: we were hired to fill that void. We’re doing small missions. We’re filling that gap. These strips are too small for C17s.
Waxman: You’re saying the military could not do this job?
Prince: They did not have those assets either in theater or in the US. This was a temporary service to fill that gap.
Waxman: Any sanctions placed on Blackwater?
Prince: A company should be introspective.
Waxman: Were you ever fined?
Prince: It was pilot error, not corporate error.
Waxman: Corporation hired inexperienced pilots, didn’t follow your own rules. Aside from your introspection. I want to see if you’re getting a stick as well as all these carrots.
Tom Davis: Yields to the hacks.
Issa [I think]: Did Waxman and Committee investigate Sec Brown’s crash. That was a military crash.
Waxman: that crash was investigated.
McHenry: Can you describe nature of contract, who your client is in Iraq.
Prince: State. Protecting diplomats.
McHenry: How many missions.
Prince: 1873, only 56 incidents. An incident defensive measure, response to IED followed by sniper fire. Incidents occur when our men fear for their lives, they need to use sufficient fire to get off that site where the bad guys have tried to kill Americans.
McHenry: They shoot in the air?
Prince: It’s not likely to be in the air. It’s directed at someone who’s shooting at us.
McHenry: Rules of engagement.
Prince: We do not have the same rules of engagement as a US soldier.
McHenry: How many under your care injured or dead.
Prince: Zero.
McHenry: That is the operable number. Your client is State.
[McHenry has exceeded his time]
Davis: Any other security services that involve as much danger.
Prince: we have a high profile mission.
Davis: how paid.
Prince: per man day. A few things directly reimbursable like insurance. All sorts of penalty clauses, if we don’t have it fully manned. If someone is not operating within rules with State. There are one or two folks contracting to Defense in Iraq.
Davis: Do the contracts provide sufficient guidance.
Prince: full gamut in contracting management. Host of difference in oversight. State most sophisticated buyer.
Davis: What entity has authority to control your men.
Prince; RSO.
Davis: State, ultimately.
Davis: what happens with shooting incident.
Prince: if something goes wrong, we fire, but we can’t do anything more. 122 fired.
Davis: You’ve taken action when it comes to your attention.
Prince: we send note to State.
Maloney: I’d like to talk about one of your fired employees. Drunk, shot and killed guard to Iraqi VP. Fired for handling a weapon and being intoxicated.
Prince: If there’s to be any alcohol consumed, it has to be 8 hours. We’re referred it over to DOJ.
Maloney: They told us they’re still investigating 9 months later. Any charges in Defense justice system, any charges in civilian justice system? Was he fined for killing Iraqi guard.
Prince: Multiple thousands of dollars. Look, I’m not going to make any excuses for what he’s done.
Maloney: If he was under the military he’d be courtmartialed. Within 36 hours he was flown out of Iraq. Did Blackwater arrange to leave less than 2 days after the shooting.
Prince: He was arrested, evidence gathered, info turned over to Iraq,
Maloney: In America, if you commit a crime, you don’t ship him out of the country in two days. Because this shooting took place in Green Zone, could have done forensics. Response was to have him leave the country in two days. How do you justify sending him away from Iraq.
Prince: He was fired. Justice Department investigating. We as a private company cannot detain him. We can fire, we can fine.
Maloney: evidence DOJ investigating at that time.
Prince: [pause] From talking to my people in the country.
Maloney: If he was in America, he would have faced charges. If you work for Blackwater, you get packed up and leave within a few days. I’m concerned about accountability. If I could just say, your actions may be undermining our mission in Iraq.
Burton: Rules of engagement. Warning not to get within 100 meters. If someone’s coming at your vehicle at high rate of speed, any actions?
Prince: Lights, air horn, hand signals, audible yelling, “Stop” in arabic, pen flare. Only after that do they shoot. A whole use of force continuum. [Want to bet those were followed in the most recent shooting?]
Burton: Do you believe any military operation can be absolutely perfect?
Prince: Bad guys just have to get lucky once.
Burton: Nobody’s been killed or hurt under your protection.
Prince: we only play defense. We only get the reconstruction officials away from where the terrorists have tried to kill them that day. Our job is to get them off the X. We’re not there to achieve firepower dominance.
[The thing about Prince is I honestly believe he believes the words he uses, that all the people out there are bad guys and terrorists. It's the same Manichean view of the world Bush has.]
Related posts:
- Scahill: Blackwater Rent-an-Assassin Service Integral to Bush Counterterrorism Plan
- Blackwater Bribed Iraqi Officials After Nissour Square Massacre
- GRITtv Live: Will Blackwater Founder Face Charges?
- Why Can’t CIA Handle the Same Level of Oversight the Military Gets?
- DPC to Continue Drive for Oversight, Accountability for Iraq and Afghanistan Contractors






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Hi EW!!
emptywheel!
Wheel & Waxman!
go waxman!
Thanks, Marcy. Glad you’re on the liveblog beat today.
Welcome Marcy, and a request to the pups to *please* minimize all comments, we are running a double liveblog and would like to be able to carry both of them.
This is the thread for me. Hi, ew! Did Henry thank Erik enough for his service?
He is getting right to some of the nitty-gritty now, though. Drunk mercenaries shooting Iraqi government bodyguards for what? Fun, a drunken stupor? Waxman seems to be more intense today than at some of his summer hearings.
Marcy! So excited to hear your live views.
What could Erik Prince say to make what Blackwater has done on many occasions acceptable? No oversight, no accountability, what could make this o.k.?
Oh nuts, just realized I really shouldn’t comment at FDL from my other PC at the risk of looking like a sockpuppet (currently surrounded by 3 PC’s to work and watch video stream and comment)…
No questions about the latest incident. Great.
So, is that hotlips and Frank Burns in the middle there?
Davis is already hiding something…
Good morning, Emptywheel -
Thanks for bring us Blackwater and we need to thank Henry Waxman for not cowering to Issa and his ilk. Issa was on Washington Journal this morning. He kept equating Blackwater with our military as one and the same. He also stated that this hearing is an over-reaction for “one” incident. Yep, he said one incident. Evidently, the defence of Blackwater will be one incident.
public service announcement:
LIVE WINDOWS MEDIA HEARING FEED
going silent, now. . .
I get it now. We will eventually withdraw troops and replace them with merceneries. Great idea.
EW
It’s been so long! Thanks for this!
Ugh. I think I’m going to barf. Nice bit of snowjob you’re reading from there, Rep. Davis.
Yah, sure, there’s obvious oversight of contractors…can the Iraqis see it?
It’s astonishing how Davis’s whole speech is just an elaborate pimp job for Blackwater (and war profiteering in general). You wonder how the world ever waged war if it’s impossible to do so without paying tons of money to these profiteers.
Making sure they can still pay billions to big corporations is obviously their goal here.
The Blackwater private army were the first boots on the ground in NO and their marching orders were to deprive the remaining victims of Katrina of their right to bear arms. I’m beginning to think that maybe we need to stay in Iraq because I’d rather that the Iraqis fight Blackwater over there so we don’t have to fight Blackwater over here. Your thoughts?
Rayne @ 16
Ugh is right. It’s barbaric and revolting.
nolo @ 13
That feed allows me to control the sound from both hearings on one screen. Thanks
Isn’t all that an argument for using troops and not hired guns? There job is not to secure the scene or find out who fired first.
Rep. Tom Davis, R – VA, critical of the lack of available statistical data, freedom from oversight, etc. re contractors. He says SOP for security personnel precludes gathering after-incident data, ’cause the security people take their client the hell out of the area.
Jan Shakowksy’s on this
It seems pretty silly to ask people NOT to comment during live blogging since it is NEVER respected.
Why would the American people really care about a war they’ve never seen (thanks to a WH blackout and complicit media)?
emptywheel liveblog! Just like the good old days.
I knew that Blackwater was a big huge pile of muck–which astonishingly managed to break just after the Petraeus show–but the fact that the ace is working this assignment tells me we’re on the hunt in a serious way, breaking out the special forces blogger to take on the former special forces mercenaries.
Bring it on.
Jane Hamsher @ 17
Wasn’t it Rumsfuck’s brilliant idea to ’streamline’ the military? Good strategy. At least it was profitable for him and merry band of theives. That’s what matters most./s
Ahh
I love the smell of accountability in the morning!
Oh, they are VERY worried about that last shootout, if Davis has to justify what happened.
I need to comb through Dr. Hillhouse’s observations on the reports as of 27-SEP one more time…
I thnk I will be sick now.
raven @ 24
One wonders.
gee, the congressmen aren’t intimidated by Blackwater, knowing that BW is their security in Iraq, are they?
What, are we not supposed to be commenting now?
Isn’t North Carolina where Blackwater trains? Wonder how McHenry is connected to them?
He sure seems to be their lawyer in da house…
WTF was that? Trial lawywers?
McHenry complaining that they shouldn’t be having this hearing. Deal with contracting. He abhors loss of human life(most likely Repub donors’ lives).
Thanks enormously for this live blog, emptywheel.
Dan Burton pulls himself off the golf course to attend the hearing for a while, be a pain in the ass, then leave. Always a joy to see you, Dan.
Oooh, Issa the Furious Hairball is there, too. We are doubly blessed…
Patrick McHenry, R – Blackwater, up. Loves him some Blackwater, hoping – I think – they can get more and bigger contracts, ’cause, well ’cause.
McHenry has other problems he should be dealing with.
Question: If nothing is going to change for the remainder of the Bush administration and (it seems that) nothing is going to change if any of the Repubs running or most of the Dems running in 08 are elected, what is the purpose of these hearings, especially in light of the fact that nobody is punished as a result of their testimony of wrongdoing?
Tech @ 33
From CHS
It never ceases to amaze me how the Democrats take their one opportunity to ask someone questions under oath, and turn it into an excuse to make longwinded speeches.
I can certainly see why the Republicans would want to make speeches to filibuster and waste time to minimize the number of questions asked.
But when Democrats have a ‘hostile’ witness in front of them, they need to start asking questions immediately. Get as much information from the witness as quickly and efficiently as possible…
Rep. Maloney calls Blackwater “reckless,” which might be a poor choice, as they leave wrecks wherever they go…
The Republican support for Blackwater, et al is ARDENT!
Full court press by the propagandistes this morning.
Have a screen shot of a Yahoo splash page with a headline, “Blackwater defends actions in Iraq” taken at 10:07 am EDT — Waxman hadn’t even gotten half-way through his opening comments at that point.
At 10:37 am, News.Google.Com yields:
One written in past tense, the other already updated once since first published.
Wonder if Blackwater has its own PR in house, or if it’s contracted one of the other known propagandistes.
Awesome! Now this is the what what I comes to firedog for! Go livebloggers!
CEO of Blackwater sure is a smug-looking mofo
Rayne @ 45
it’s scary how coordinated the campaign is!
Did Issa just say Betrayus? Heh!
Considering that Blackwater’s assignments to protect our cavorting congrtesscritters, represents a tiny percentage of their duty, usint that stat as a defense is one more insult to our intelligence..
ISSA …eeewwwww!!!
Move On!!!Thanks again, Darrell!
Cummings – Blackwater seems to shoot first, sometimes kill, then ask questions.
umm, what questions has Blackwater asked, sir?
Rep. Elijah Cummings quoting some scary statistics. Once again, I’d like to point out that some of the most eloquent, probing statements and questions come from African-American members of these congressional committees, yet it seems the media gives their statements pretty short shrift in next day coverage.
Issa up. Time to shower…
I can listen to him, but I can’t watch… have to minimize the screen evry time he comes on.
Issa’s a crook!
ah Issa to Kucinich
180 degrees
Issa – it’s MoveOn’s fault!!
Let me see if I got this straight. Blackwater claims it was a “rush to judgement” and is defending itself against a shooting incident that Waxman has promised *not* to talk about?
Yawn Rep. Issa back onto the Move On add. As Chris Matthews said immediately after all of this hullabaloo started “no died because of this add”. Move on Issa please talk about the real issue Blackwater gone wild!
You do not need to wonder why there has not been any critical oversight with Issa around.
The purpose of these hearings is to hold BW accountable. They do not have a business without tax payers supporting it. They receive billions and the principals of the company are getting richer and richer. And Issa keeps equating this hearing with MoveOn. Issa’s logic is remarkable. MoveOn has nothing to do with this hearing but as on WJ this morning, Issa repeatedly compared this hearing to supporting MoveOn.
Kucenich – over a million Iraqis killed in this war – “innocent civilian deaths..” Blackwater “killing countless innocent Iraqis” The longer this war goes on, the more money they make.
Kucinich follows Issa…
I’m dizzy now. just saw your last post jayt, same reaction
Later…
Mods:
Can we liveblog, or should we leave that to emptywheel? (I will obviously comply with whatever.)
Mica is attacking the chairman of the committee? Oh you KNOW the White House called him up and said “get this in.”
But MoveOn made and ad…
jayt @ 55
Watch out Move on might start rhyming again.
Issa busy pissin on critical oversight again
Darrell…
When will someone anyone ask him how many american dollars he has taken from any and/or all contractors…
I said it before, and I’ll say it again, his man is major power hungry! He is a major disgrace to the american people. Go away sir, you have no place in San Diego nor california!
Issa pulls out the Move On ad & goes non sequitur. Thank God Kucinich is to follow.
Going to radio silence now, not only to help the servers, but to keep from calling my former rep. Issa something more disgusting than “Furious Hairball.”
Mica: motion to adjourn? Puhleeze.
This signifies that the Repukes will be as obstructionist as they possibly can.
OK, another one bites the dust.
JEP @ 34
Blackwater HQ in Moycock, NC.
So does Erik the Prince have ambitions to run the country?
Biodun @ 61
transparent
Elliott @ 69
A dictatorship would be fun, right? Ask W…
Blackwater wants to open a base in San Diego county– out east–Duncan Hunter is a fan.
Elliott @ 69
Doesn’t have to, Bush does it on his behalf.
Why do I despise Erik Prince?
Newspaper op-ed from newspaper that serves Prince’s hometown (and in DeVos’ and VanAndel’s hometown):
Private security, public problem
That, from the home of Gerald Ford.
Nice, that, each one of the wingers has a specific portion of the talking points this morning. So big a job they had to divvy it up.
Rayne @ 75
even the timing of the FBI investigation
Is there a good reason for using the word contractor, rather than mercenary?
Issa is determined to bring Blackwater to San Diego. He has an investment in Blackwater. Prince, as CEO, should be able to know the purpose and mission of his company and not have to read a legal statement written by his legal team. Prince’s reminder of BW protection of statesmen visiting Iraq.
Prinz: There (were) only 56-es incidences.
O.k. I close my mouth and stop slowing the servner now. But that was achem.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 77
Yes. It’s lingua franca with the corporate world, makes these folks seem like harmless scalable fungible resources just like those the corporate types use.
If they were mercenaries, the corporate types would get worried about actual oversight.
After the Bush administration and our Reps have been demanding that the Iraqi government “step up to the plate, take responsibility for their government” and then the majority of them do undermine everything the Iraqi government was demanding Blackwater do.
McHenry is in my district – yech!
Naive question:
Why are companies like Blackwater even necessary in Iraq? Why can’t US troops do the job?
Blackwater pilot behaved unprofessionally. And was flying around for fun pretending to be a starwars man? Hence crashing into cliff and killing army personnel.
Biodun @ 83
I highly recommend Naomi Klein’s new book The Shock Doctrine. Excellent and answers your question clearly…the mayhem now in Iraq is not unwelcome by this adminsitration.
Biodun @ 83
Becauase we don’t have the ability to send twice the number of troops we have there now. We don’t have them, and there is no draft.
Oh, this blackwater pilot sounds like an ass. Even though he’s dead. I’m sorry for that.
one liners welcome here:
http://www.chatzy.com/507191129048
JF @ 86
And NO Draft
Start the draft and start the PROTEST
jeffreyw @ 88
Where’s the gabbly link.
Waxman is exposing the cowboy way BW behaves. Great question. Price objects to being called acting like cowboys. Flying the mts in Afghanistan is hardly bush pilot type of flying. The little black box reveals so much – voices from the dead. Prince trivializes the flight crash as an “accident”.
EP: “Accidents happen.”
Expect “I don’t recall”s to begin soon.
valletta @ 85:
Thanks. I’m 20 pages or so into that book now.
JF @ 86
Because if we needed a draft, the war would likely end — and that’s not the point, in the Bush/Cheney regime.
Because the money for more troops — if we had them — would take months to get approved if at all through Congress, but money for support services is much less questioned by Congress and more likely to get rubber-stamped because of the lack of oversight.
Because some of the money is likely buying stuff besides contractors; it’s probably a money laundering operation that allows key votes that rubberstamp spending approval to be purchased (among other things).
big bob @ 89
There is no desire on the part of this administration for a draft. The point of the invasion is privatization and corporatization. Why actually finish the job when you can have endless war, endless profits and a population in the US anesthetized with Britney Spears and shopping, not shared sacrifice.
Rayne @ 94
DING DING DING!
Biodun @ 83
One of the big goals of the Bush administration..
PRIVATIZE PRIVATIZE PRIVATIZE
Prince says the military doesn’t have the expertise in manpower and equipment to do the job so BW does have this. Billions of taxpayer dollars goes to BW and this is how they can afford to purchase the best equipment. Yes, where is the corporate resposibility?
I’m watching the Mine SAfety Hearing with the H.E.L.P senate committee.
Nooo…it’s not filled with any fireworks – yet. Maybe Kennedy will poke Enzi in the eye, but it’s doubtful.
Nice airforce, according to Prinz said it was pilot error, not corporate error.
I love it. any other company or department would be investigated big time for an incident like that, with inexperienced pilots and all. But here it’s the “pilot’s” fault. Was the airforce covering ass much?
Issa is protecting his BW investment in San Diego. Now trying to demean the military. Someone needs to call Issa on being anti-military.
Kathleen @ 97
Which is the same as saying,
FASCISM FASCISM FASCISM
Emphasis of the corporate rights over those of individuals, yet again, a hallmark of fascism.
By the way, note the nice insertion of “The Clenis Did It!!”. Ugh.
JF @ 49
I caught that too.
How does Issa get on this panel since it is clearly a conflict of interest? No one calls Issa on it. Nor do they object to him equating BW with the military and as “the military”.
there is no atrocity Republicans will not defend.
Just got here.
So, am I to understand that the Waxman hearing, according to Issa, is intended to draw attention away from the MoveOn ad flap?
LOL!
Note that Waxman is framing this correctly. This is not privatization. This is outsourcing. This is paying people outside the government to do government jobs. Privatization is converting public sector organizations, like Amtrak, to private sector companies. Outsourcing is paying high-priced contractors from profit-making companies to do jobs that can be done more efficiently and cheaply by government employees–without inherent conflicts of interest to drive up billings.
mui @ 90
we bailed on gabbly over constant server woes they were having–chatzy is the new “gabbly”
Prinz: we use a use of force continuum
McHenry: and that’s the same as rules of state dept
Prinz. Oh yes. Oh wait a minute no. DOD has special rules for us.
QuakerGirl @ 101
Calling Rush Limbaugh, calling Sean Hannity….
Everyone please remember and spread the word: Erik Prince is a member of the ultra-conservative, and some say cult, of the Christian Reformed Church in West Michigan. The CRC’s headquarters are located there. There are two factions: one that is somewhat “open”, based on Calvin College’s campus, and the other that believes in double pre-destination. Double pre-destination holds that: (1) there is a certain select group of people, Prince’s group, that is going to heavan because the number has been pre-ordained before God created Earth. No matter WHAT THEY DO on Earth, they are going to heave. The only reason they may live “saintly” lives like Jesus is because they are showing the rest of us how lucky they are to have been chosen, and so invariably, (2) the rest of us not in his group is going to Hell because we are not a part of his group. Prince and his ilk believe this crap–it is preached in their churches every Sunday. And he has passed this sort of thinking onto his employees at Blackwater.
OK I am going to blogwhore and NOT my blog – those of you who don’t know Main & Central it’s run by a veteran he’s got discussions of military matters and gets good commenters from other veterans.
You will find his latest Putting Blackwater Back on “Safe” worth reading.
jeffreyw @ 88
i’ll be right there.
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This is insane! Corporate mercenaries making millions of dollars in an illegal war. It’s a no-brainer, but as long as the Dems talk as if this war is in any way legal they will lose in these hearings. That HAS to be the starting point.
Pertinent to hearing. From P.W. Singer in Salon today:
Erdla @ 112
Lurch!
Ed*ard Teller @ 110
Speaking of Sean Vannity, didja see him spooging last night in the presence of Ann Coulter?
jayt @ 105
jayt @ 105
Jayt
Did not realize you were there and witnessed an atrocity. Kudos to you for your enormous courage.
BobbyG @ 117
The fact that Ann Coulter is nowhere to be seen/mentioned in the news today is a huge win for America.
Erik….do you think that the Iraqi government that all of our Reps and the Bush administration keep demanding “step up to the plate” should have any oversight over what Blackwater does in Iraq?
Yes wordsmith Lurch – well worth reading.
Oh, they are VERY worried. WaPo’s news alert service just sent an email with a link to video on this. The stuff they send that they think is news alert worthy is usually pretty biased towards the right.
There must be a reason why they want to share this.
Anybody else have the sense that Prince could go Colonel Jessup on this committee? He seems like he’s walking a thin line right now with Rep. Maloney…
Carolyn Maloney bringing up blackhole in justice system for shooter of Iraqi guard. So, military investigation results, no DOJ results, no Iraqi justice whatsoever. Just sending him away and firing him and fine him.
Rayne @ 122
Totally! I hope there is adequate security there to stop Prince from jumping over the table!
Has anyone noticed a difference in which Prince ‘treats’ or responds to men vs women?
A drunk murders a VP’s body guard and Blackwater escorts the criminal out!!!!
This is beyond gross…………
What a smug SOB. Would someone slap him silly. Is this mainly reserved for women. Maybe I missed his expression towards dems asking questions. This guy is so defensive and offensive. BW has special rules – thank you Rep. Maloney. They commit a crime and gets fired and fined. In the military or civilian life in US that same crime (murder/attempted murder) would face criminal charges.
Privatization, Fascism, it all boils down to the one, overarching goal of the current batch of neo-cons who have absolute control over the Republican Party and too much of the Democratic Party — To rob from the poor and give to the rich.
When we outsource, we spend more money to get less, but it’s OUR money that is spent. And it’s their money that grows (them, being the corporate leaders and oligarchs).
We’re living in Bizarro Sherwood Forest.
Has Kucinich been up yet? I’d like to hear if he goes after them with any kind of vigor.
Get Tough @ 119:
LOL! You obviously missed her on the Today Show this morning. In response to Meredith Vieira’s question about why Hillary is doing so well among the Dems, Coulter said: “Because all her rivals are unimpressive.”
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Jayt
Did not realize you were there and witnessed an atrocity. Kudos to you for your enormous courage.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..r.witness/
just trying to help the uninformed – and thanks for the double quote.
Or do you consider the murder of Iraqi’s to be unimportant?
This is very difficult to listen to.
Oh jeebus. Blaming the victim much, Rep. Burton?
Of course everybody in a vehicle in Iraq can read American-posted Arabic “STAY AWAY” at 100 feet on the back of a Humvee…especially if they are traveling at a high rate of speed to escape something or hurrying towards medical help or what have you.
“Nobody is hurt in your care,” points out Burton — except Iraqis.
Bad guyz vs good guyz….
Since they are a for profit company, if another country offers them more money to change sides, will they?
Wordsmith @ 125
Prince impresses me as the guy who hits on you, thinks you should be thrilled to be deemed worthy of his attention, then proceeds to contemptuously try to cut you down to size. IOW, a self-important asshole who, above all, fancies himself.
Got to drive in to work now. Read you all later.
These bastards lie and manipulate everything to protect a “cash” cow. Your auto’s gas tank!!!!
jayt @ 130
Murder?
Well then you not only witnessed the event but attended the trial? We are fortunate to be privy to your insightfulness and bravery. Good to hear you don’t just hunker down in the green zone and report 7th hand information.
yes exporting democracy?????????
Wordsmith @ 125
Yes, I noticed that. That’s the dominionist nature emerging.
Let us also remember the 92 million dollar new contract for Blackwater is tied with Presidential Airways or Aviation which is the same airline well documented in the book Ghost Plane as being the airline the CIA used in illegal renditions/ kidnappings.
Eureka Springs @ 140
Cofer Black…Vice Chairman of Blackwater was one of the people who advocated that program.
Elijah speaks out. BW smears the military. Can’t engage with the press. Why not? Why is this in the contract? Please probe. BW allowing the military to take the fall for them and BW supports the error – no correction by BW. Elijah is not letting Prince off the hook – as CEO he is accountable. Who benefits from the fine? The Iraqi’s family shot? Sounds like it went back into BW coffers.
Good job, Marcy!
Hnnah Arendt is looking down on this affair, shaking her wise head. I was in HS when she wrote her New Yorker articles about the Eichmann trial. Eichmann was different from Hill, but I’m afraid there are some frightening similarities. I’m sure Iraqis watching this can’t be feeling very charitable toward this group of people – Blackwater and other “contractors”. It is obvious that we’re not getting anywhere in this fucking hearing. Not as awful as the Tillman show, but bad enough.
Two DOD guys survived crashed. But weren’t found and died. Prinz, how do you go to sleep at night?
so BW fined the guy what ever they owed him!
The widows have been griping about this
New thread:
House Oversight: Blackwater Liveblog Two
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Erik Prince: “Blackwater is internally accountable” It appears to the devil.
Blackwater thread #2 upstairs.
Kick ass Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rick says
October 2nd, 2007 at 8:28 am
We are fortunate to be privy to your insightfulness and bravery…
thank you!!
rick @ 137
I think the point is that it not at all clear that there will ever be a trial.
When the accused is the investigator and there appears to be no entity with clear cut over site, murders can occur without any chance for a trial. trial. This is not in the Iraq courts, it is not in the military courts, it is not in the American courts. If they wanted to try these people perhaps they shouldn’t whisk them back to the US.
A fair trial requires an investigation of the scene by a neutral party, deposition of the witnesses and an established court system. In dozen of Blackwater incidents, none of this has occurred.
Part of the purpose of these hearings is to see if we have a rogue group operating with no legal over site. To say we should wait on the trial is crazy. Without investigation by an outside legal entity there could never be a trial.
Prince is a smug SOB, eh?
I thought that part of the problem is that the contract itself helps to obscure the path to justice. For instance, I thought the contract specifically excludes Blackwater from being subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
rick @ 137
Why didn’t you answer the question? Do you or do you not consider the murder of Iraqis to be unimportant?
Since Blackwater has no accountability, there will be no trial, and even if there was a trial Jayt wouldn’t neccesarily have to have been there to understand the verdict.
Instead of the sarcastic remarks directed at one person, why not engage in some kind of meaningful discussion?
So you have any evidence that what Jayt proposes is NOT true? Were you there in person and saw that what happened was clearly not murder? Have you personally been with every Blackwater employee in Iraq at all times and can verify that there have been no atrocities?
Very few of us have first hand knowledge of everything discussed here, but we base our discussions on the facts as we understand them and I submit to you that posters on this blog (by and large) probably are much more discerning of their sources than most.
It’s a free country, so continue to throw black kettles at people living in glass houses or whatever metaphor you like, but don’t expect anyone here to take you too seriously.
Yes, Dennis is up. Privat contractors have a vested interest in keeping the war going – more money for them. BW has staggering growth – froo 200K to over a billion dollars in contracts withing four/five years. Key question: How did this happen? (I love Dennis).
Bremer awarded him contracts – no bid contract.
K pointing out other contracts BW didn’t have to compete for. Prince says he doesn’t know who BW dealt with for the contract. How did it get on GSA schedule? He doesn’t know who came to BW or who in BW went to government for these no-bid contracts. (I’d know if it were my company.)
SufiLizard @ 154
Wow. Blackwater thugs are crack shots according to Prince. The ONLY time they EVER kill a civilian is via richochet. They NEVER EVER miss, even when in full auto and “spraying and praying” (quote from military personnel who observe the “product” of Blackwater service).
They NEVER kill innocents except by accident. I’m also certain that the film released to the internets a year ago where they put to music their spraying and praying at ANY vehicle that approached “too closely” to their vehicles (that is, anyone with the gall to approach the general 50 yard vicinity of a Blackwater car on a friggin highway).
House LiveBlog 2 up.
It’s obvious who the most of the Republicans represent. (One Republican so far has asked legitimate questions and didn’t turn the hearing into an attack on the Democrats.) It’s certainly not the American taxpayer. I’m offended that these shills don’t place more value on the taxes hard-working Americans like me pay into their coffers.
This is one example of why it is paying for most of the Republicans to keep this war going as long as possible. What’s a few lives versus the billions of dollars their supporters are reaping?