Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 115

Marion: Isn’t this the guy who sponsored a Ten Commandments bill and, when interviewed by Colbert, could only name three of the 10?

yeah but the other 7 are like, ‘really good’ ones…

When you’re neoconservative, you only need one.

;>)

Here’s the one they can memorize: We’ll tell them this is kind of a synopsis of all of them:

“Just steer clear of Tom Sizemore.”

“America isn’t easy. America is advanced citizenship. You’ve gotta want it bad, ’cause it’s gonna put up a fight. It’s gonna say, “You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.” You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then you have to tolerate one of its citizens exercising his right to free speech, like Limbaugh, in ways that drive you mad. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms, chatrooms and blogs” That is the Constitution and what it is about. If you say you believe in it, then you have to defend it even for asswipes like Limbaugh. (These words were paraphrased from the movie “The American President”; but are very true).

bmaz, I feel your pain and do soooo agree with you. I do not want to silence Limbaugh, as dispicable as he is. Freedom of speech is precious and should be protected.

But. (Isn’t there always a but?)

Freedom of speech on Armed Forces Radio, isn’t FREE SPEECH! It is determined by a select group of people in the Army, the Bush administration, and perhaps congress who have determined what they should hear and what they should not. Selectively choosing what armed forces personel hear, IS limiting free speech.

For what its worth, I say let’em hear it all or nothing.

That includes internet sites which are also restricted.

Such freedoms are what it really is about and I appreciate those who remember this,even when it might be ‘convenient,’ more ‘pleasant’ or simply more expedient to ‘forget’ or decide that others (however repulsive or destructive their ‘message’), should not have those rights. Congress has forgotten, the ‘right’ never remembers and many people are confused. A healthy society would, periodically, just to keep in practice, discuss and debate the value and purpose of our rights and what the terms ‘freedom’and ‘justice’ really mean. Since we are an immature society and skirting disaster on an unprecedented scale, it may well be that we might not have the chance to do so ever again. We have wasted too many valuable and fleeting opportunities to confront our own arrogance and prejudice, choosing, almost always to evade, excuse and semantically distance ourselves from the truth.

thank you Eric Massa !!! thank you!

“America isn’t easy. America is advanced citizenship. You’ve gotta want it bad, ’cause it’s gonna put up a fight. It’s gonna say, “You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.” You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then you have to tolerate one of its citizens exercising his right to free speech, like Limbaugh, in ways that drive you mad. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms, chatrooms and blogs” That is the Constitution and what it is about. If you say you believe in it, then you have to defend it even for asswipes like Limbaugh. (These words were paraphrased from the movie “The American President”; but are very true).

bmaz, I feel your pain and do soooo agree with you. I do not want to silence Limbaugh, as dispicable as he is. Freedom of speech is precious and should be protected.

But. (Isn’t there always a but?)

Freedom of speech on Armed Forces Radio, isn’t FREE SPEECH! It is determined by a select group of people in the Army, the Bush administration, and perhaps congress who have determined what they should hear and what they should not. Selectively choosing what armed forces personel hear, IS limiting free speech.

For what its worth, I say let’em hear it all or nothing.

That includes internet sites which are also restricted.

Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 115

Marion: Isn’t this the guy who sponsored a Ten Commandments bill and, when interviewed by Colbert, could only name three of the 10?

yeah but the other 7 are like, ‘really good’ ones…

When you’re neoconservative, you only need one.

;>)

whoa! now that’s ‘old tyme religion!’

My neighbor dropped in with her sweet Yorkie, my Papillon’s dear playmate. I was tired. I mentioned I was spending a lot of late hours connecting with NGO’s in Burma. She had no idea there was any unrest in Burma. For that matter, she wasn’t sure where Burma was located.

A friend IMed me and I mentioned Burma to her as well. She knew nothing about what was going on. Hadn’t heard a thing. She did know where Burma was.

I do this every now and again to keep my feet on the ground. It reminds me of what a small minority people who aim to be informed really are.

CTuttle @ 86

Ann@81, see my 63! Rep. Obey is Chair of the Appropriations Committee, hopefully, Nancy, Steny, and Rahm will back him up…!!!

CTuttle, here’s more (though this takes away not in the least from Obey’s guts on this matter – he deserves our support on this):

All told, the Democratic proposal for an “Iraq tax” lasted about four hours. That’s roughly the amount of time from when House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.) gave life to the idea with his endorsement to when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) strangled it.

http://thehill.com/leading-the…..10-02.html

Pelosi is the female version of Tony Soprano (figuratively)

BTW any Bay Area people catch Hill visiting Palazzo del Feinstein over the weekend

More here

bmaz @ 34

Proportionality of representation of the two sides has NOTHING whatsoever to do with my point. that is totally irrelevant to what I am talking about. My point is based strictly on the edicts and spirit of the Constitution and it’s various historical underpinnings and interpretations by the courts.

the spirit of the constitution is congress decides what does and does not go on these militaryy air waves

when a dangerous nut is broadcast disproportionately against other points of view, they better rescind this persons right to broadcast or give equal weight

but the formula that exists cannot remain

simple stuff here

Perris – I agree with your thought completely; my point is simply that there must be some way to accomplish your thought and request without doing offense to the constitution and the First Amendment, and having Congress determine what what is acceptable speech and who is an acceptable speaker IS offensive to the Constitution and the First Amendment.