Live in 1968, Cream, Crossroads…
From reader WB, we get a prime example of the Bush Administration’s meaning when they say “support the troops.” Via StLouisToday:
Thousands of U.S. soldiers in Iraq — as many as 10 a day — are being discharged by the military for mental health reasons. But the Pentagon isn’t blaming the war. It says the soldiers had “pre-existing” conditions that disqualify them for treatment by the government.
Many soldiers and Marines being discharged on this basis actually suffer from combat-related problems, experts say. But by classifying them as having a condition unrelated to the war, the Defense Department is able to quickly get rid of troops having trouble doing their work while also saving the expense of caring for them.
The result appears to be that many actually suffering from combat-related problems such as post-traumatic stress disorder or traumatic brain injuries don’t get the help they need…. (emphasis mine)
I’d like to know just exactly where these “fobbing off the PTSD problems” people think these troops are going to end up with no follow-up care for post traumatic stress issues? Do they honestly think that these sorts of violent flashbacks or lashing out issues just dissipate without any intervention or help? Or that families and communities aren’t going to be dealing with these issues for years to come? Because, if so, I have got some news for them.
The astonishing lack of planning, coupled with this incessant need to take no responsibility whatsoever for the grievous errors in judgment that got us into this and continue to keep us in this mess, are going to have long-term repurcussions for all of us. For generations. Oh, and the dodge and phony show that Gen. Petraeus put on early in the month? Turns out that violence in Iraq is up after all — go figure.
This goes back to a piece that hilzoy did on the utter lack of common sense considerations — and outright lies — that people told themselves going into this mess in the first place, and that they continue to tell themselves and others to avoid having to admit they had bad judgment. From Obsidian Wings:
…Thinking about the plight of a farmer who is forced at gunpoint to serve as a guide by one side and then shot as a collaborator by another when all he ever wanted was to work his fields in peace, or of villages burned to the ground after their inhabitants had been massacred, would have been a useful corrective to the idea that wars are easy and painless.
Noting that war is, in fact, hell, and that when it seems easy, that’s generally due to some combination of very hard work, massive military superiority, and sheer blind luck, is an easy lesson to draw — and, frankly, the fact that Beinart had to learn it the hard way, after an error of this magnitude, is as good an example as any I can think of of why I think there’s something badly wrong with the writers of editorials and columns in the mainstream media….
When you use force to liberate a country, like Kuwait, that has only been occupied for a short time, you can hope that its people will accept their previous government, and that whatever made that government function in the past will have survived. But when you liberate a country like Iraq, a country whose people have been brutalized, you risk loosing Hobbes’ “war of all against all” on its people. You remove the sovereign who has kept that war in check, without thereby creating any of the political virtues that allow alternate forms of government, like democracy, to function.
Harper’s has an intriguing interview (H/T to reader Scott Ely for the link) regarding contractors in Iraq — and the policy short-cuts that such contracting allows for in the short run. Bill Moyers latest Journal dealt with private contractors and war profiteering in Iraq, and the political tamp-down on the watchdogs who are supposed to be the firewall against corruption on the public dime. Via Crooks and Liars:
BILL MOYERS: “As Inspector General of the State Department, Howard Krongard – known as “Cookie” – was supposed to be the watchdog guarding against corruption there. But he’s a political appointee with strong partisan loyalties, and now seven people on his staff have accused him not only of failing to do his job but of actively blocking their efforts to do theirs. The reason? Quote: “To protect the State Department and the White House from political embarrassment.” “
I have been thinking a lot about Bunny Greenhouse lately, and all the public servants of her caliber, who have been systematically sidelined in the name of syphoning profit and advantage for political and economic gain by the Predident’s cronies. This has not happened haphazardly, but as a condition of the conservative mindset where maximization of profit and power advantage takes center stage and ethical considerations and pesky things like laws and rules are brushed asid. In the age of a unilateral executive, what the Republican party and their cronies want is the primary consideration, long-term consequences be damned.
We are at a crossroads — and the paths we choose going forward matter as much as the ones we have already taken. We must make better choices, looking at the long-range implications of what we are doing, not just the short-term desires of President Short Attention Span and his ilk. If we don’t, our children and theirs will be paying even more of a price than we already are. Our troops, their families, and all of us deserve much better than we are getting right now. Isn’t it time we all said so as one?
Because discharging troops for false “pre-existing conditions” to save the DOD a buck or two, passing the consequences of the piss poor choices in Iraq onto everyone but the Bush Administration, is unacceptable. And offensive. And just about as cowardly a ducking of responsibility as I have seen in a long, long time. Pathetic.
Our soldiers and their families deserve far better than this — and every time George Bush, Dick Cheney and all the chicken hawk sit home on their asses goobers open their mouths to recite some patriotic platitude, they ought to be called on the fact that the words coming out of their mouths are as hollow as the promises that they fail to keep, again and again and again.
…Every morning, Awad needs to think of a reason not to kill himself.
He can’t even look at the framed photograph that shows him accepting a Marine heroism medal for his recovery work at the Pentagon after the terrorist attack.
It might remind him of a burned woman whose skin peeled off in his hands when he tried to comfort her.
He tries not to hear the shrieking rockets of Iraq either, smell the burning fuel, or relive the blast that blew him right out of bed.
The memories come steamrolling back anyway.
“Nothing can turn off those things,” he says, voice choked and eyes glistening.
He stews alternately over suicide and finances, his $43,000 in credit card debt, his $4,330 in federal checks each month — the government’s compensation for his total disability from post-traumatic stress disorder. His flashbacks, thoughts of suicide, and anxiety over imagined threats — all documented for six years in his military record — keep him from working.
The disability payments don’t cover the $5,700-a-month cost of his adjustable home mortgage and equity loans. He owes more on his house than its market value, so he can’t sell it — but he may soon lose it to the bank….
You think about these issues before you ever put troops in harms’ way. Before. And you make damned certain that if, indeed, you do commit them to battle, that it is for a rock-solid reason and that it is unavoidable by any other means — and that you take care of the wounded and their families who are losing so much for your choices. George Bush and his administration failed to take even the basic steps toward this — and the people paying the price for their nonchalance and deliberate slackass-i-tude? Other people’s children, that’s who.
For shame.
George Bush risked these people’s lives and limbs in an unnecessary occupation of his choosing. The very least that he can do is to take care of the men and women injured in his poorly planned and executed mess. Saying that you care for the troops is easy — taking action to ensure that your words are backed up by actual work says that you mean it. It is the very least that Bush should do — and he cannot even be bothered to do that.
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Christy!
May we create peace.
Who’s surprised that this is not a front page headline on every single newspaper?
What will it take for Americans to realize what is happening and REACT to it?
Laura Doty @ 2
Yes, we should relentlessly wage peace.
That is not wishful thinking, it is the pathway to survival in a humane, human world.
Which world, by the way, is our only home in the immensity of universe. We should start taking exceptionally good care of it.
We have decided that ‘things’ are just too important to trust the world to anyone who voted to attack Iraq and won’t rule out bombing Iran. We are pacifists.
Powerful, Christy. Shame indeed.
TexBetsy @ 4
If you rely on MSM, you don’t know what’s going on. Last weekend, my husband and I had our closest friends over for dinner. I am the only one who–voraciously–reads news from web sources. And I must say I am obsessed with the news. NONE of them knew what was going on, and they are all intelligent people who read two if not three papers daily. I began to feel like a fanatic. I think that’s part of the problem. If you know how bad things are and talk about, there’s a tendency in the group to imagine one is paranoid or delusional….
We have to find a way to get the news out to more people and to encourage action.
David W. Bartoo @ 5
; )
Damn, I wish I was surprised. Same old shit folks.
Laura Doty @ 8
I have had similar experiences. My parents are on our same track politically, but my son said it best when he told me we need to cure them of their CNN addiction.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 6
What are you going to do, then, my friend?
We are all caught out. With no particular place to go. If we vote for HRC, then we ‘own’ whatever incapacity for rightful action she brings to ‘the table’. Even if ‘we don’t like it one little bit.’
I don’t generally comment here. This is one of kiddo’s places. Let’s give peace a chance. You are doing good work here.
lahoma.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
lahoma, I realize that you respect this ‘place’ as Kiddo’s, but I, for one, would truly value your calm compassionate sensitivity
as often as you may be willing to share it.
For those just joining, a link to the Garrett Keizer (at Harper’s) piece on a nation-wide strike this election day, 2007. (text).
Bush is an alcoholic, and possibly narcissistic. Among his symptoms, he thinks that he is what he says, not what he does. He says he supports the troops. In his mind, it’s up to them to simply believe that. The idea that, if you support someone, you do something for them that THEY consider supportive, does not enter his mind.
Grover must be really happy. George has done his bidding – he has drowned the government in a bathtub full of blood.
I’m reading a dead tree copy of Military Officer magazine right now (official mag of MOAA).
The cover has no pic this month- instead it’s a quote from the main article inside:
“Simply put, the nation cannot leave its most severely wounded heroes behind to become charity cases.”
The main article inside is called “A Hero’s Welcome?”
Laura at #8
Yep i know the feeling. I am from sweden and for various reasons i feel that following american poltics are “fun”. You can imagine the “degree of loonieness” I can get into when trying to explain american politics on detail level to people over here when they only know the top 5 names in your government…… :)
So i usually give the short version – “Yes, it will probably go to hell….” :)
Marie Roget @ 18
That could have been written in 1968, 1975 or 2007. Interesting.
Marie Roget @ 18
Seems to me that this nation did just that after Vietnam.
One of Bush’s main goals is to force the public to pick up the pieces resulting from his manufactured misadventures. He believes in drowning the government, and causing privatization to materialize. That is what he is trying to do. For example, it occurs to me that leaving the 160,000 troops in Iraq, while entertaining attacking neighboring countries…and considering that 40% are Guard and Reserves…hmmmm..well, if they get wiped out or something…Blackwater or someone like that will fill the vacuum in the U.S. That is how this man thinks. He hates government. He wants the middle east oil for his oil cronies, not for America.
So, by picking up Bush’s “pieces” and cleaning his room for him, while he’s out playing with his friends, is sort of a disciplinary issue.
Laura I’ve been in this position many times. Friends want to listen but then they are embarrassed by my anger or conviction that something is going on – for example the election rigging in Ohio 2004. Those who are not angry are in a kind of denial. It is more comfortable to watch CNN and see the world through a haze of self interest.
I have a dear friend who is actively altruistic, but she can’t deal with politics because she feels that nothing makes any difference and that small people cannot change the big picture. Yet she knows she’s in the dark. She says : if there’s a cause or a candidate you feel is important, let me know I’ll send some money.
We have to find a way to convince people of all stripes – those who are not political by nature, those who voted for the chimp and now regret it (but who are still not going to vote for Clinton), those who are republican but are feeling divorced from their party.
TexBetsy @ 21
We certainly did. And I can attest, as someone who worked in community mental health for years, that it made a huge muck of things, for the vets, their spouses and their families. This time, with so many multiple tours of duty and so many severe head injuries, we are bound for big trouble. Plus–thanks to another muck-up–lots of heroin coming.
Friends, we have so much to work to do. Wars, reparation, healing our own, global war, and economic and social justice. It’s going to take all of us for a very long time. And a group mind. We need a group mind.
Check out this Grover Norquist speech given some years ago at the Policy Counsel, the super-duper secret organization that Cheney addressed in Utah the other day:
http://www.policycounsel.org/18856/35101.html
David W. Bartoo @ 14
kiddo is always trying to get me to be here. But usually I don’t. Sometimes, shall I say, I coach kiddo though.
lahoma.
Christy, I dont know how you keep up these amazing posts day after day. I am feeling so worn out and the issues just keep appearing.
We went to a rally for the one,sole Dem candidate we have, a state rep, last night and that was uplifting. He has done so much for our state and he seems very bi-partisan as he should. I wonder at the hatred even here in a small town in TN.
carolyn urban @ 23
This is when someone told me “You take life waaaayyyyyy to seriously”
My retort? …. Just who would you want to take it seriously since no one else seems to?
More atrocities from the Butcher of Crawford perpetrated upon our own troops – the children this evil piece of shit uses as cannon-fodder to line his own pockets and feed his power lust. It’s gotten to the point that straight across the board, if there were a choice of right or wrong, Mr. Bush always on the wrong side.
Hundreds of thousands have died. Millions maimed, deplaced, their lives ruined. And now we learn that Hussein was willing to go into exile before the war even started?
Who are these monsters that systematically destroy everything that was once good about America in the name of greed. We are ugly Americans to allow this to continue. We all have blood on our hands.
Who do you think could possibly lead our country out of this mess?
Not Hillary for sure.
Maybe Al Gore?
http://www.draftgore.com/
Powerful post, Christy!
All I can say is that anyone in the military or their families who *still* supports and votes for these thugs started out with a mental disability definitely not brought on by combat.
Laura Doty @ 8
Been there, done that just yesterday in talking with a friend who no longer cares to have much to do with me because of the things I have to say about politics. This is a retired college prof with time to pay attention to what is happening in the world and doesn’t because “she can’t do anything about it.”
Well, come to think of it……..I don’t particularly want to be around people like her who don’t give a sh*t about anything except what’s happening in their own little world. Thank you, bushco, for shrinking my circle of friends and acquaintances. It’s moderately understandable when people are working their butts off trying to earn enough money to feed and care for their families……otoh, if they *really* cared about their families they’d be paying attention to the forces shaping and controlling their current lives and futures.
Hey, pups–
A rainy day here in MN and I’ve finally got some quiet time to catch up and say hi at the lake.
Great post, Christy, as always.
For those who missed it, Friday’s NOW on PBS focused on PTSD among our soldiers in Iraq, including the disgraceul lack of care. Here’s the program link at the PBS site, and note there are some interesting links, as well as PTSD Facts & Figures.
One tidbit from the program hit me on a couple of levels. An expert / PTSD care-provider said that this “war” is triggering PTSD recurrences among Viet Nam vets, and they’re seeing a big spike among that population seeking care. 40 years later.
Sneek peak at 2047 for our Iraq vets.
Heaven help us all.
I think that this is a point where the (seriously crazy) defining quote from VM is on point.
In order to save the village we had to destroy it.
The village I’m talking about is Wash DC. The consultants, foreign policy “thinkers” ect. who endlessly enable this kind of short sighted decisions have to be displaced. Depopulate the village and make those asshats go do something else for a living.
Laura Doty @ 24
Amen, Laura. Many vets in my family. Thanks from the heart for all you have done.
Nola Sue @31
It has triggered it in my WWII parents and uncle. The interesting thing is that my Dad who survived the battle on Tarawa is more than willing to talk about it now than any other time even during Vietnam which he was very much against.
This is perhaps worth an encore from down below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2w5kffJnq8
For my girl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltRwmgYEUr8
Waccamaw, I’m sorry to hear about your sense of alienation. I know just what you mean. I once had a friend–a dear person, a social activist back…away…slowly…from me! What a shocker! Made me wonder if I was getting a little too intense. (I’m not implying anything about your own behavior, just reflecting my own experience.)
I think one of the challenges (as if we didn’t have enough) is how to move through this in a way that is intentional without becoming a bulldozer; that is passionate but not intolerant; righteous but not self-righteous. It’s such a fine line to walk. I’ll close my ’sermon’ (please forgive me if I seem preachy) with a quote from Daniel Berrigan (1994):
katymine @ 35
Just saw Ken Burns in the last day or so describing how so much of what they have included in the new series hinges on the fact that, as they age, many who served in WWII are only now beginning to talk about it.
Let my people go… home. From Iraq.
Sounds like the same BS used by health insurance companies to get out of paying for treatment – “pre-existing conditions.”
Same answer works for both – universal (single-payer) health care. No arguing over who pays, just people getting the treatment they need. And it has the added incentive of being extremely politically popular (see DarkSyde at DKos).
MayDaze @ 41
AMEN!
George W. Bush is a very sick man. And so was Hitler.
Thank you, CHS. One can but hope that your readers will talk to all their acquaintanceship and the constant pointing out of the Administration’s behavior will act like water dripping on stone.
Well now, of course Cheney/Bush will short-change the Armed Forces. They spend “our” (Chinese, really!) money on Iraq like drunken sailors, and can rest assured that their corporate pals the media will not say a word about how appallingly they actually do treat the troops. They rest comfortably, knowing that Reid and Pelosi, Hoyer et al will go on wimping out.
“Our” candidates are no different. Up here in the NE I hear H Clinton the Dem polls. This is suicide: as I keep repeating, the reality is that the tiny number of voters who might switch will NEVER vote for her.
Nancy Pelosi. How many soldiers might you have saved, but for tabling the distraction of impeachment?
I try to read various blogs daily. And it is hard, very hard. It seems there is no good news. I know, on occasion, something good happens and it is a refreshing change from the usual. But for the most part I am depressed. Many times I have felt like giving up. I do know that since I am 57 years old, this mess created by bushco won’t be repaired until long after I am gone. And I so wanted to live in the world I was promised as a youth. A world where people respected each other and treated each other with kindness. But I will never see that world.
But this place, the lake, is a nice place to visit. For the most part people here do respect each other and treat others with kindness. Oh there are occasional fights, not often. And one can understand the frustration.
As I’ve commented before, I don’t comment often because for the most part all I have to offer is my outrage. I wish I could offer hope. I wish the world I was promised could actually happen in my lifetime.
I think back to the 60’s and the peace movement at that time. I thought we had a chance to change the world. There were so many of us (baby boomers), we were all over the world, and we really wanted to change the way people thought. But it didn’t work. Too many of the boomers became involved in the “old” ways of thinking and the movement died.
Ah well, thanks for listening. I will do my best to fight the depression and hopelessness. But I have no guarantees. I suppose one could say who does?
Here’s an article from TomDispatch (h/t emptywheel) on the latest Chalmers Johnson book, “Nemesis.”
Makes a strong case for disaster if Bush chooses empire over democracy for US, well worth the read:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/pos…..l_premises
“The dream of the Bush administration -– eternal global domination abroad with no other superpower or bloc of powers on the military horizon and a Republican Party dominant at home for at least a generation — long ago evaporated in Iraq. A midterm election and subsequent devastating polling figures tell the tale. The days when neocons, their supporters, and attending pundits talked about the U.S. as the “new Rome” of planet Earth now seem to exist on the other side of some Startrekkian wormhole.
And yet the imperial damage remains everywhere around us. Give the Bush administration credit. They moved the goalposts. They created the sort of dystopian imperial reality (as well as a mess of future-busting proportions) that a generation of relative sanity might not be able to fully reverse. The facts on the ground — the vastness of the Pentagon, the power of the military-industrial complex, the inept but already bloated Homeland Security Department (and the vast security interests coalescing around it), the staggering alphabet (or acronym) soup of the “Intelligence Community” — all of this militates against real change, which is why we need Chalmers Johnson.”
This is a link to the top recommended diary at Kos, and it is scary.. but it has lots of important valid links about exactly what these guys are up to. I figure the more we know, the more we can work on turning this craziness around for the future of this country:
http://dailykos.com/story/2007/9/30/74155/1739
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
Yes, but both of them came across to their public as strong tough guys, who would bring honor and glory to their nations.
Me @ 44 — I left out “H Clinton LEADS the…”
But insurance companies are allowed to deny reasonable claims by claiming anything expensive is due to a “pre-existing condition.” Why can’t we?
Just as Abu Ghrurab grew out assumptions of America’s prison-industrial complex, the vets crisis is invisible and incomprehensible to those in power, because the reasoning behind it shared with the corporate-conservative mindset.
The other totally crazy thing about this is that the military is supposed to screen recruits for mental health issues. So when you miss it in the screening (innocently or not), it should be your problem, not the soldier’s.
ADM @ 46
When I feel depressed about things, I take a look at things like this, and wonder how could a moth and a bird, end up looking just like each other??? Scroll down and look at the moth/birds:
http://www.whatsthatbug.com/clearwing_moth.html
ADM, think of it this way: hopeless is how people like rove and cheney want you to feel. Powerless, hopeless, without reason to fight back. You’re not alone in your feelings. It’s been a bad stretch of time. But it absolutely helps in every way to become involved. Make phone calls, write letters, write a check, give blood, do whatever you can.
Be the spirit of change that you admire from the 60’s.
Great peice this IS why I have sent Dennice Kucinich my $ 100.00 instead of John Edwards plus another fact he will take insurance FAT ASS’S out of OUR health CARE CARE CARE!!!!
Laura -
“Intense” would be a good descriptor. Guilty as charged. *g*
((((((((((ADM @ 11:28))))))))))))
maunga @ 44
The problem is what do you do if its a choice between Hillary and some right-wing whacko? That is the dilemma we are going to find ourselves in.
LOL. God forbid someone in my house should refer to chimp as “the President”.
So does that mean that the services are recruiting and allowing into the military, as many as ten a day, recruits with pre-existing mental problems?
If so what kind of recruiting system do we have?
Who is evaluating the recruits?
What kind of military are we building?
George W. Bush is a coward. Come and get me.
ADM @ 46 :
I know just where you are coming from, as we used to say in the 60s.
But I find this new generation of bloggers in the netroots to be an inspiration and a cause for optimism. They are so passionate, so committed, and so darn right about politics. Sometimes I wish they were more left than just liberal but that is my personal bias and I recognise the Realpolitik of supporting the Dem Party in USA.
Do not despair – look at Germany – they thrived after the War, after getting rid of the Nazis – and in a relatively short time too.Hope.
James E. Thompson @ 54
I’m with you. I think the country will go for Kucinich vs Paul, but that would be if everything were fair. It could happen. We may be amazingly surprised.
A really aggressive unconscionable one.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 59
Not to worry – they’ll be trying to round us all up soon.
We may live in a ‘red state’, but there are several things which unite us. Among these several things is that we don’t like cowards.
it’s shameful indeed but not surprising….indeed laura doty – may WE create peace…..
carolyn urban @ 57
Gotta empty house next door? Some days, I’d give anything to live in a gated community populated only by denizens of the Lake. ;-)
The 3 most dangerous people in our country are Cheney, Chertoff, and W.
There has to be a string to be pulled. Something might be revealed…
OT
A Red Mass for the Supreme Court, held the first Sunday before the Court goes in session?
WTF?
IS anyone watching this on CSPAN? I can’t tell what the protesters are chanting.
Elliott @ 68
Damn – C-Span offline via Bay Area Comcast…
Suezboo @ 60
Yes, that’s why I come to the blogs. For a long time I thought I was alone in my thinking. Then I discovered political blogs and realized I was not. It helps some.
Hopefully things will change for me this coming Wednesday. I have an interview for a job. I’ve been unemployed for some time and have been living off the kindness of a friend.
But because of the way I am, there is always the chance I will screw up again and tell my employer to F off. I don’t know. The world I live in seems so strange and I don’t know how to coexist with the others that populate it.
But enough of that. I will not comment anymore about that.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..9Ak03.html
“Petraeus’ contradictory statements on the Quds Force are emblematic of a US administration propaganda line that has in essence fallen apart because it was so obviously out of line with reality. Nine months after the George W Bush administration declared that it was going to go after Iranian agents in Iraq who were threatening US troops, the US military still has not produced any evidence that Quds Force operatives in Iraq were engaged in assisting the militias fighting against US troops. “
(got the link from a Kos diary)
newtonusr @ 69
that’s downright unAmerican
ADM @ 46
Hang in there sweetie. I also am sometimes overwhelmed by the sorrow of what I imagined we would do, and what has happened. When I can’t stand it anymore, I cook something up with basil, or look at slapstick. The rest of the time, I just try to do one good deed or another, no matter how small. I can’t change the world overnight, but warming hearts doesn’t hurt.
Talk more with us!!!
What is a red mass? Catholic? Or am I misunderstanding?
The world is completely screwed up. We live in a totally f*cked up culture. Recognizing that is the first step toward sanity.
It’s probably fair to assume that most American GI’s who signed up for the military over the last seven years are not from wealthy Republican families.
marymccurnin @ 74
yeah, Catholic. I’ll have to look it up, I am not now, nor have I ever been a Catholic.
marymccurnin @ 74
Yes, it’s a Catholic mass for the legal profession. Old tradition. I have no idea why.
Ummm…not exactly…
First the Surrender, Then the Alliance.
Elliott @ 72
This particular C-Span junkie has withdrawl just knowing it’s offline, even if I’m not home to watch it.
(((Jones)))
Yup. I’m making a big nutty pesto right now with the last of the basil from my garden.
“One of the better-known Red Masses is the one celebrated each fall at the Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle in Washington, D.C. on the Sunday before the first Monday in October (the Supreme Court convenes on the first Monday in October). It is sponsored by the John Carroll Society and attended by Justices of the Supreme Court, members of Congress, the diplomatic corps, the Cabinet and other government departments and sometimes the President of the United States. All officials attend in their capacity as private individuals, rather than as government representatives, to quell arguments with respect to a weakening of the separation of church and state. This logic had greater import in the 1950s when the first services were held, as Catholicism was viewed with greater suspicion than today in the American body politic.
A Red Mass is now celebrated annually in more than half the states of the United States.
Controversy over the constitutionality of the Red Mass and attendance by American officials has been dramatized in such shows as The West Wing (”The Red Mass”) and Law & Order.”
wikipedia
My favorite punks on the playground to box when I was in elementary school were the bullies. Just one more time George. Please.
“Red Mass refers to a Mass celebrated annually in the Catholic Church for judges, prosecutors, attorneys, law school professors and students, and government officials. The Mass requests guidance from the Holy Spirit for all who seek justice, and offers the opportunity to reflect on what Catholics believe is the God-given power and responsibility of all in the legal profession.”
wikipedia
newtonusr @ 80
right now Senator Byrd is giving his great opening statement in the Appropriations Committee hearing from Wed.
Latest issue of the Times Literary Supplement (London) has Hitler on the cover and below – in red – “The Decider”.
oh well now we know mccain ONLY wants a christian president….what a guy…
Thanks Elliott. Reverting to the stream now.
I mean, who could possibly watch the Raiders?
newtonusr @ 88
there was a time…
carolyn urban @ 81
Pleeeeeeez -
On a less serious thread, if need be, I’ve been in major need of a pesto recipe that freezes well.
Sid58 @ 86
MAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAAAA! Oh, *they’ll* get their nickers in a twist over that! Where’d ya get your hands on that little sucker?
$12,000,000,000 per month for the Bush wars.
Off on the business of the Queen. See everyone later.
Mme Racine @ 51
The problem is mostly the result of being in our (broken) military and in a never-ending war with not enough time away from combat. You could be the most mentally-healthy person in the world, and those conditions would damage your mind.
hey Waccamaw email me at urban at stowe dot nu and I’ll tell you what I’ve been using.
This is heartbreaking – leave my dad alone, says Jenna Bush
ONE of the twin daughters of President George W Bush has spoken of the heartbreak she feels about the Iraq war and the criticism of her father. “He is a totally different person to me than what they portray him as,” said Jenna Bush. “I mean, he’s my dad.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t…..558299.ece
Oklahoma kiddo @ 95
Pardon me while I refuse to be empathetic.
Waccamaw: I subscribe to TLS, but not to its conservative slant. The London Review is a very progressive Brit pub (give it a try),
I wish I had something concrete and lucid to say on this topic.
But all that comes to mind is an unending string of obscene epithets directed at the AWOL chickenhawk and his equally derelict VP that have demonstrated systematically and regularly that they have “different priorities” than the ones the American public expects of them.
2009 cannot come soon enough…but I can’t imagine how many phonecalls I will have taken by then from my stepson, talking him down from a state of breathless anxiety earned by serving this useless and inhuman administration.
F*ckers should have been impeached years ago.
Carolyn -
Great! If you don’t hear from me within the next day or so it’s because I’ve got updated software on the ‘puter with which I’m not familar or not reading your address correctly. Thankee!
dakine01 @ 96
And this woman is engaged. Who, in their right mind, would willfully marry into that family?
dakine01 @ 96
Pardon me while I puke in frustrated rage.
dakine01 @ 96
Quite understandable. ;0)
This Article tells us what we already knew,”Bush Sucks”. Thanks, I’ll add it to my list.
newtonusr @ 100
The impression here is that some will do anything for money. ;0)
My address is unusual. you’re probably seeing it correctly. Yes it’s .nu
Sid58 -
“TLS”?
I don’t know the names of *any* of the dark side blogs, if that’s what this is. Well, maybe there’s one having something to do with footballs but other than that……………*g*
Rayne @ 101
Oh my goodness, Rayne. Don’t do that. I don’t want to do that to pals.
The situation in Burma is really, really brutal according to this diary with a bunch of links (warning – devastating):
http://dailykos.com/story/2007/9/30/1159/29124
Chevron – Condi’s old company, is all involved as are other oil mongerers – it is so hideous:
http://www.the-environmentalis…..tions.html
TRex upstairs with Rudy.
Waccamaw @ 106
Never thee mind………I oughta read more carefully. Gak! Talk about senior moments.
LS@52
Thanks for the link, I just sent it to all of my friends. Something beautiful to contemplate as we try to find a connection to the beauty this earth is so full of.
So, if we’re not allowed to describe this as “betraying the troops”, how exactly *can* we describe it?
I thought the one virtue the military prized above all others was loyalty to their own – so why are they allowing bean counters to shove their comrades out on the street like this? Even a civilian can see that they deserve better than that.
Read the Declaration of Independence, people. Sometimes, talk is not enough to defeat injustice. But soon, we will be rounded up for just talking, and guarded by Blackwater mercenaries. What would a rational person do? We’ve all been taught to have great respect for the Founding Fathers. What was the essence of what they did?
They have been doing this for years.
It’s easy as pie:
You re-diagnose someone with PTSD on Axis I, as having a Personality Disorder on Axis II.
Bingo! Whoopee! Untreatable pre-existing condition! Now, it’s all their fault for getting PTSD, not the fault of the Bushist fascist war that gave it to them!!
They were doing this to Gulf War vets and Vietnam vets, too, as a way to nickel-and-dime them, and save money for the really important things, like pissing it away on Halliburton!
Suffering does not exist for these people — unless they are the ones doing the suffering.
“Pre-existing conditions” WTF!
This Bush group has absolutely no shame!
I know FDL allows no inferrence of violence towards our selected officials…but WTF!
Hell is too good for these “compassionate conservatives”
Thanks, Christy. On this one, the music. :o)
One piss-ripping blues-moved-from-acoustic-to- electric song.
Clapton and Cream at their zenith, playing one of the very best blues/rock pieces of music ever to come down the pike.
Eric walkin’ it up, down, and sideways; bending it; hammering it; slurring it; sliding it; shouting it…ALL over it.
What a piece of music!
Robert Johnson nods agreeably EVERY time he hears it. :o)
Thanks, hon. :o)
Late to this party, but if the troops were good enough to induct, despite personality disorders, and they were good enough to be sent to war despite them, then they should be good enough to receive treatment following combat!
The military itself should have known that people with problems get worse PTSD than people who started out without problems.
This is despicable! But par for the course by these admin folks without consciences.
Yes, thanks for the memories. I saw Cream perform in November of 1968. Such a great band!
I just got rejected a second time for an individual health insurance policy because of cholesterol elevation. With statin drugs, the numbers look really good, but the insurance corporations don’t want to insure anyone 55 years old with ANY problems.
I feel for the PTSD vets. The future won’t be easy. Especially with the pre-existing symptoms of individualism, greed, and immaturity rampant in American society.
I’ve been watching the movie The Siege this afternoon. Denxel Washington, Annette Benning (sic), Bruce Willis. So many lessons contained therein. We’ve got to do something effective, and soon. There isn’t much time left before we will all be under martial law. Elections? Fuhgeddaboutit. What are we willing to do? Better start asking yourselves what your answer truly is.
GRRR @ 118
I was at the Albert Hall on Nov 26th 1968, too, and I have had the good fortune to hear EC do Crossroads at a private concert each of most of the last fifteen years. Layla is not the same without the slide lead, but he has a v nifty transposition of te piano solo to the guitar.
Greup @ 19
Sweden’s not much different from Ohio, then. ;(
Yes, but I’m sure these are just the “pretend soldiers.”
toby martin @ 119
The whole country is disintegrating right before our eyes. It just feels like no one is basically in charge.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg seems extremely worried about the economy, below is a link to a speech he gave today.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com…..33/1/.html
Well I’ll be damned, this is even more like Vietnam than I thought!
And yet, this attitude was firmly in place even before the war. When my stepdaughter was deciding to end her stint in teh military, (thankfully she was out out out just before the war started up) they tried even then to gin up reasons why they just couldn’t give her all the college money they promised her. They broke her in rank for stupidities that had nothing to do with her job (personal problems with romance).
liars and thieves and frauds, that’s what our govt is full of.