George Bush’s approval ratings have shown signs of tanking in recent days. Is the trend real?
Every other day or so, I check the Rasmussen polling site to track Bush’s approval rating. Rasmussen often shows Bush a few percentage points better than other polls, and being the cautious fellow that I am, I look to them for the best[worst] case. If Rasmussen shows Bush tanking, it suggests he’s really tanking.
I like the way Rasmussen breaks out the categories — somewhat approve, strongly approve, somewhat disapprove, strongly disapprove. And the polls are running 3-day surveys, so you get a sense of the trend in the numbers over time, rather than a single snapshot that might reflect a single incident or speech that may not be a lasting effect. I’m not interested in a particular daily result, but in the trends.
For months, Bush’s approval ratings have fluctuated around a fairly narrow range, reflecting the public’s highly divided opinion of a deliberately divisive President. For over a year, more than 40% of the public have been thoroughly disgusted with Bush — that’s the “strongly disapprove” rating. Friday, it peaked at 47%, the highest I’ve seen this year. “Somewhat disapprove” tends to pivot around 15%.
There are usually 15-18% who “strongly approve.” These are hardcore Bush supporters who are not affected by what happens in the real world — he’s their guy no matter what — although his numbers were lowest (12%) when he was pushing for immigration reform; after he abandoned that effort, his numbers among the adoring came back up.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next week or so, but I suspect Bush is heading lower. Think what Bush is facing: he’s made a big deal promising to veto the SCHIP bill, and the media are following this closely; he’ll get hammered by ads with kids who depend on SCHIP, Orrin Hatch/Grassley and angry Republican governors who want this bill, and never mind Nancy, Harry and the Democrats (see video on the right). The press will amplify the debate, and it’s a loser for him and his loyalists.
The Iraq issue also seems unlikely to help Bush. The WH propaganda machine took its best shot with General Petraeus, the most credible front man they could muster — and no one except his hard core supporters cared. Everyone else shrugged it off. Maybe that’s all the WH wanted.
But now the [possibility that we may occupy Iraq indefinitely] is sinking in, and the daily news is about continuing US casualties, out-of-control mercenaries, lost weapons, questionable military actions that kill more civilians, trials of US soldiers for unlawful killings of Iraqis, an ineffectual central government. Our highest Generals are telling Congress the Iraq quagmire has exhausted the Army and compromised our strategic readiness. No matter how optimistic the reports from General Petraeus, the American people can figure out the occupation is an unending disaster and that you can’t win over the Iraqi people if they think they’re a free fire zone.
So what allows Bush to defy political gravity? Every prediction of his total collapse has been . . . well, “premature.” It’s not about his die hard fans; nothing can move them. But if/when the “disgusted with this President and can’t wait to get rid of him” category goes over 50% — it’s now at 46-47% — the entire political dynamic in Washington could change [he said with fingers crossed]. Any guesses on whether that’s about to happen?
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almost zed!
Bush’s number are low..congress even lower. But guess what they don’t care what the voters think. Real signs of fascism
poll of polls at http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
I’m ignoring the Opinion Dynamics numbers.. 33% to 37% for a one week interperiod change when everybody else is showing a constant 29%-31% range is simply not believable. O’Lielly must’ve figured out how to hack the Faux News polling machine.
His willing allies in the thought-control apparatus, i.e., the media, whose corporate masters benefit from the policies Bush champions.
IMO.
Can Bush’s Approval Defy Political Gravity?
In his alternate reality, gravity doesn’t exist
Watching the rubble bounce would be fun – except that we’re living in it.
But now the reality that we’re stuck in Iraq forever is sinking in, and the daily news is about continuing US casualties, out-of-control mercenaries, lost weapons, questionable military actions that kill more civilians, trials of US soldiers for unlawful killings of Iraqis, an ineffectual central government.
and the worst is yet to come.
RockPaperScizzors @ 6
shrub believes that an army of spin doctors can produce his own special gravity.. heck, he may be right
So what allows Bush to defy political gravity?
The reality proof closed feedback loop inhabited by our power elite.
I think he can get to single digits.
Only a financial collapse would force us to change course. As long as the Chinese will buy our T-bills, we will continue to careen out of control.
Scarecrow the problem here is that you’re reality based. Here’s a gentle reminder of the Bushworld theological credos:
In an October 17, 2004, New York Times Magazine article Suskind recalls: The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about Enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality–judiciously, as you will–we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
The march to Iran is freaking me out:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..-prophecy/
The media and the Rebublicans want war and imperialism. The Democrats kinda-sorta want war and imperialism.
Nothing will change.
That hardcore 15-18% is who will get to pick the GOP nominee in 2008.
Will it matter?
Shrub could reach 99% disapproval, and Nancy would still keep impeachment off her oh-so-precious table, political dynamic be damned.
The GOPers must be laughing up their sleeves in astonishment at what they’re getting away with, knowing full well that the next time they regain power (which will be sooner, rather than later, due to the Dems’ timid tea-party politics), they will screw the Dems (and America) mercilessly.
RockPaperScizzors @ 13
I wonder if the person who claimed we’re an empire is still in the administration?
And a funny thing about empires these days – they seem to last for shorter periods all the time.
cleter @ 11
yeah.. my predictions for his poll numbers in June ‘08:
AP-Ipsos 10%
NBC/Wall Street Journal 11%
CNN/Opinion Research Corp. 9%
USA Today/Gallup 12%
CBS/New York Times 8%
ABC/Washington Post 10%
Fox/Opinion Dynamics 45%
Pew 11%
Gallup 11%
hehe
EPUd over on the Burma thread. But I did post information there from the Associated Press that it’s all about oil. http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..nt-1004245
RonD @ 5
Fascism….they do not care what we think or do
I think if President
Hillary’sEdwards job approval ever drops to 49%, GOP mobs will demand his impeachment.If a Dem gets elected next year, watch out -
the deadenders will be heading into the hills for paintball practice.
Speaking of idiots
ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) — Two days after hinting he wanted to try for the White House,
Rick Tyler said Gingrich realized he couldn’t run a political action committee — his American Solutions group — and form an exploratory committee to run for president as well.
Safer yet?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092907B.shtml
US Accused of Killing Women and Children in Baghdad Raid
Agence France-Presse
Friday 28 September 2007
Bush has outwitted gravity with Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT). When he’s not bike riding, he hangs out in the hyperbaric chamber. “Our freestanding status grants us the privilege of providing oxygen therapy to conditions that are, at the present time, considered alterative including brain injuries”
http://centralfloridahyperbarics.com/
allan_in_upstate @ 23
They will engage in ferocious recimination, and claim that if they had nominated a REAL conservative instead of that goddamned pantywaist Guliani, they would have won. And everywhere Guliani goes, exuing his powerful loser stench, he will be pelted with rocks and garbage by the Bush hardcore 15 percenters. Until he goes to prison.
Alice @ 8
Great link, Alice!
I’ve been working that side of the street as well:
Dien Bien Phu, Iraq.
And there is even worse:
The Nightmare Scenario, part 3.
raven @ 24
My feeling is that he realized the GOP will likely lose in 2008 and that the Democrats may relive a Carter II fiasco.
Then Newtie rides in on his horse in 2112 to save America.
This harkens back to the question about whether we’d get a new Roosevelt or a Hitler in the wake of a new period of tribulation.
-GSD
1,612 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Patriots:
“…the entire political dynamic in Washington could change…(A)ny guesses on whether that’s about to happen?”
It won’t happen this year or next, and the political dynamic won’t change in ‘09 either unless we get enough progressives in the House and Senate to get new leadership in both houses. I have been sayin for 2 years now that the corporatists hold just enough Democratic seats in BOTH houses to consolidate power and destroy constitutional government if Mrs. Clinton is elected…the best case scenario is for Al Gore to enter the race or for one of the Keystone Cop Republicans to beat Mrs. Clinton in the General election while progressives take control of the elected leadership in the House and Senate.
If Mrs. Clinton is elected, the US occupation of a rump state of Iraq will be solidified, a large portion of Iran will be a nuclear waste dump, the US military will be broken, the treasury will be bankrupted and there will not be another Democrat in the White House after 2012.
The fight for a non-fascist future is within the DEMOCRATIC Party…if we ken cleanse the corporatists and A*P*C from party leadership, we might have a chance to save constitutional government no matter who is elected president.
The best case scenario is for Al Gore to enter the race if it becomes clear that Edwards can’t win Iowa.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, NOT ALL FASCISTS CALL THEMSELVES REPUBLICANS!!
two beers @ 17
QFT.
allan_in_upstate @ 23
I wish they truly had something to worry about, but I don’t foresee any of the dems bringing anyone to justice for the crimes of BushCo.
Good afternoon, everyone. Bush reminds me of those Roadrunner/ Wylie Coyote cartoons, where Wylie has already gone over the cliff — except he doesn’t fall.
Something about defining your own universe, if you’re willing to defy every norm, every restraint.
Quite the response to the Kyl Liberman amendment by Iran
http://www.salon.com/wire/ap/a…..=D8RV6ST00
Iran Labels CIA ‘Terrorist Organization’
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI Associated Press Writer
This was Nixon’s strategy back in the early 60’s, according to HST:
After losing in 1960, Nixon stepped back, and let the Birchers and right-wing crazies take over the Party…and after Goldwater got stomped, Nixon moved in and took over the Party with no argument from anyone…and four years later moved into the White House.
Not an exact quote, but very close.
CNN just gave five minutes of coverage to the SCHIP fight, mostly showing how isolated the WH may be. Dana Perino struggling to explain why this isn’t a loser for the WH.
Next story — how much the WH wants to spend on Iraq/Afghanistan.
Anecdotes from the Granite State.
*At a Ron Paul rally today, in Manchester NH, the biggest city in the state, a crowd of around 1,500 cheered loudly when he said we need to take our troops out of Iraq….and Japan…..Germany…..Korea……
Lot’s of cheering when he called for the abolition of the Patriot Act.
I did not see ANY mainstream media at this event.
*The state armory down the street is packed to the gills with trucks and equipment like I have never seen in 30 years.
*The food pantry, run by the local Catholic church in conjunction with other area churches, is reporting that their shelves are bare due to unprecidented need for food by local folks.
America is on the threshhold of change.
-GSD
RonD @ 35
Not much to save in America! The majority of the American people are members of the walking dead, they could care less about the death and destruction that has taken place in Iraq as a direct result our their governments illegal invasion!
This is a bad sign…Moveon needs to get all over these people.
“The idea for Freedom’s Watch was hatched in March at the winter meeting of Republican Jewish Coalition in Manalapan, Fla., where Vice President Dick Cheney was the keynote speaker, according to participants. Next week, the group is moving into a 10,000-square-foot office in the Chinatown section of Washington, with plans to employ as many as 50 people by early next year.
One benefactor, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the group was hoping to raise as much as $200 million by November 2008. Raising big money “will be easy,” the benefactor said, adding that several of the founders each wrote a check for $1 million. Mr. Blakeman would not confirm or deny whether any donor gave $1 million, or more, to the organization.”……..
“The group is considering a national advertising campaign focused on Iran, a senior benefactor said, though Matt S. David, a spokesman for the group, declined to comment on those plans.
“If Hitler’s warnings were heeded when he wrote ‘Mein Kampf,’ he could have been stopped,” said Bradley Blakeman, 49, the president of Freedom’s Watch and a former deputy assistant to Mr. Bush. “Ahmadinejad is giving all the same kind of warning signs to us, and the region — he wants the destruction of the United States and the destruction of Israel.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..mp;emc=rss
“So what allows Bush to defy political gravity? “
I won’t matter cuz Little Boots himself said ‘we’ll all be dead’. Future generations will not know what a disgusting slug this asshole was. This is what keeps him and his adorers going. (Apologies to all slugs)
The president is going to use the remainder of his time in office to do whatever he wants to, and the Dems. are resigned to let him. Rahm said on Bill Maher’s show that it is going to take a new president to end the war, for this president won’t.
The conventional wisdom in Washington seems to be that while they are hearing from their bases on the war, they are not hearing from the country as a whole.
I wonder where their bases are living.
cleter @ 22
This Preznit was at 49% on his second “inauguration day,” the lowest ever for a president being sworn in .
Norske — I’ve come to understand Gore’s decision to stay out. The US Presidency may not be worth having, because the issues Gore cares about require multilateral efforts, and the US is simply not respected or trusted to lead. Gore is. He can say/do what he thinks is right, without having it filtered through the rightwing media process.
As for Newt’s decision not to run — perhaps he’s the canary in the mine; there is no money to support his divisiveness, and his potential supporters believe they can’t win the Presidency.
GSD @ 37
Thanks for the report; too bad there’s not more coverage — but the crowds are anothe sign of trouble for the Repubs in the general election.
wigwam @ 32
The “paintbal practice” should have been in quotes.
I was actually referring to Bush’s hardcore base pulling an Eric Rudolph.
With help from some former State Dept. contractors.
allan_in_upstate @ 45
Like I have said many times, if a Democrat gets in office the McVeigh’s and the Rudolph’s will be getting the band back together.
It will be trendy and all-American to advocate domestic terrorism once again.
-GSD
Scarecrow @ 44
Suppose Ron Paul wins NH? What then? What if no GOP candidate gets enough delagates and they have some kind of crazy-ass convention?
RockPaperScizzors @ 13
One of the most frightening things I’ve read about the current Junta..
So now the question becomes..
How do we rid ourselves of our sick-f^ck little Caligula wanna-be BEFORE Jan 20, 2009 ?
Blackwater kills unarmed women and children for sport.
Monsters……
-GSD
Clearly, there’s no popularity contest going on in Burma. I expect the junta in Washington is watching with great interest their counterpart there.
“Can Bush’s Approval Defy Political Gravity?”
Why, yes! Just as long as Congress and the “Presidential” Candidates remain assinated. Yep. Sure. Can.
Poor CNN; their anchor-sub for Lou is flipping out over MTV running “amnesty agenda” programs, and some in Spanish! A whole generation is being educated to think of people as people, and CNN is horrified. Next up: that evil Elliot Spitzer thinks immigrants who drive should have driver’s licenses. Oh the horror, the horror.
Good evening. Great post scarecrow.
Bush is proving that, contrary to what every plumber has ever told me, shit does indeed flow uphill.
-GSD
Thanks, Scarecrow (and Alice for the Anabasis link!) — but I think BushCheneyCo’s successes are unrelated to their popularity and instead entirely dependent upon their continued successful eavesdropping on financial and moral transgressions of the ruling class and their loved ones.
Can anything else explain the Congress’ failure to press its subpoena advantage?
Finally, GOP House members, beneficiaries of socialized medicine themselves, seem willing to accompany Dear Leader into the realm of denying heath care to poor kids — a single-syllable election issue focused on something every American understands. How can that be?
NSA, that’s how.
cleter @ 47
Unlike the top three democratic candidates, Ron Paul has committed to immediate and complete withdrawal.
TeddySanFran @ 42
Which makes you wonder about the voting machines, eh?
LS @ 39
He was at another secret meeting of the far right fringe yesterday in Utah
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_7001456
And one of the officers of the group is/was Bob Perry, of the Swiftboat Veterans for Lies
GSD @ 54
With some assistance .
what would change if those who hate bush go over 50%?
he already doesn’t whatever the hell he wants
Pelosi and the rest of the Vichy Dems took impeachment off the table.
So under what guise would anything change? a people’s revolution? I don’t think so.
The only possible change is impeachment. If it ever started, the malfeasance revelation would accelerate like a runaway train and bush and cheney could be gone in 6-8 months. Even republicans could jump on the wagon to get the boat anchor from around their necks. But without impeachment starting NOTHING WILL CHANGE, and we’ll be bombing Iran any day now. From there the bad news will be like a burst dam.
.
Alice @ 8
Santayana’s first name should have been Cassander rather than Carlos. He gets heeded about as often as she who once was, femininely, so named.
john in sacramento @ 58
And supporter of Rick Noriega.
john in sacramento @ 58
A link I found by following links on Cheney said that he spoke to this group:
http://www.policycounsel.org/24508.html
Interesting spin around that site at past talks…check out the one by Rick Santorum.
OT,
Reggie Walton gave the bloggers a shout out and stated that he read the blogs during the trial.
Marcy is reporting from her judicial conference.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
john in sacramento @ 58
It’s not the money that worries me; they’ve had the money before, and it’s now being channeled here instead of whatever. But over the last few years, an incresingly in the last few months, ,the rhetoric has become even more violent that it was — there are no rules, no restraints, and I think 2008 is going to be vicious.
Jim Clausen @ 63
Perhaps Judge Walton should have a chat with Clarence Thomas–the most bitter man in America.
-GSD
Scarecrow @ 43
also – don’t we seem to headed into all kinds of economic instabilities and uncertainties. and for some reason i don’t get, congress seems quite willing to try to put it off onto the next president. (if i were a dem in congress i’d be damn sure not to give bush another $200 billion of deficit spending on the iraq occupation)
if gore is ever going to run for president again – he may be better off coming in when/if the economy seriously tanks. as naomi klein tells us, that’s when the country will be more open to big changes…. and i’d rather have gore than some rightwing demogague leading the change.
Lets not be sucked in by Ron Pauls anti-war and anti-patriot act talk…. He also wants the total destruction of public schools, Social Security and Medicare. He is a Libertarian and believes in PRIVATIZE ALL social services.
AZ is packed with these guys and they drive me nuts. They obtain their education all the way through public schools and state college and have parents living on the SSI but want to privatize it all.
OT — went to a meet/greet with John Edwards last night. Crowd was varied and enthusiastic, but his advance people should have something for the audience when they have to wait.
I was impressed — actually got to talk to him!
I’ve definitely found my candidate for President.
I would like to see Senator Webb “step up to the plate” and run for Pres. The guy voted against the invasion voted against the next “act of war” the Kyl Lieberman amendement. I think he could blow Hillary, Edwards and Obama out of the water!
How about a Gore/Webb ticket?
Webb on the Kyl Lieberman “act of war” amendment
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..velations/
Scarecrow @ 33
would that the rest of the world could always get away, like the Roadrunner.
Meep meep
john in sacramento @ 58
He was at another secret meeting of the far right fringe yesterday in Utah
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_7001456
And one of the officers of the group is/was Bob Perry, of the Swiftboat Veterans for Lies
From the article, lightly edited for clarity :)
john in sacramento @ 58
I was going to do a blog on Darth Cheney and these people yesterday but didn’t have the time. Geezus, just google these people, they’re the rapturite, christian fundies who want Armegeddon tomorrow.
Check out this link from “the google”
http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.htm
oddmommy @ 71
Evening oddmommy. Hope you understand I meant well the other day. We okay?
I http://www.middle-east-online……/?id=22320 found this link on the reufee crisis
he stays up because the media is blowing hot air up his butt
Scarecrow @ 74
of course! Hell, I’m flattered that you’re not mad at me.
And I love your posts…..DO wish you would consider ousting Fred Hiatt in a bloodless coup and taking over the WaPo editorial page.
oddmommy @ 77
I volunteer!
But it really has to be bloodless, I faint.
Today I was reading some discussion on the press attacks on Clinton: his shame to the country, not being a model for our children to respect, etc etc etc. Vicious ridicule and the call for us to protect our children, bring dignity back to the office. Now, dontcha think some of that censoring spirit should address a liar, killer, psycho Pres. who moons the rest of the world? Wouldn’t it follow?
ANd if not, what is happening to the Kucinich proposal to impeach? Off the table does not mean out of the Constitution. At least a pending impeachment action may impede a attack on Iran. Seems to me.
oddmom– wasn’t upset at you in the slightest (or anyone else in particular); just wanted to make sure we didn’t kill each other while arguing about why others are kiling each other. Tough subject.
Scarecrow @ 79
I think the two of you are probably too kind and gentle for that sort of thing. :)
Acting as uncontrollable mercenaries in an occupied nation that lacks electrical power, refrigeration and fresh water — how arrogant and in-your-face is Blackwater’s use of frozen water bottles as “non-lethal” weapons to smash windshields and store windows?
the other thing is, you folks apparently haven’t heard that gravity is, in fact, a THEORY which is extremely controversial in the scientific community. Even as we speak, school boards in 17 states are requiring that the new curriculum include the study of “Intelligent Falling.”
(yes, I TOTALLY stole that from The Onion.)
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((((((Elliot)))))))
bartender: warm fuzzies all around
New Thread.
Where does the ‘Ready to impeach Nancy Pelosi’ demographic fit into those numbers?
Hey Scarecrow, late to the party.
Been in my new state capitol today. Now I have to read a big chunk of Charlie Savage’s book tonight and finish it tomorrow before the Book Salon.
I miss my friends in MA.
oh, and GO CUBS!
The commenter who just created its own filter has a point about the “reality,” and I’ve edited the sentence to reflect what I meant. I could have done without the gratuitous insults.
I need to highlight some of the unspeakable horror of the reality on the ground in Iraq as reported by McClatchy with help from Iraqis (we who search for the truth on the internet already know much of this horror, while our Members of Congress continue to avert their eyes from the mayhem they have unleashed):
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/20047.html
And now we get new proof of the gaping chasm between the al-Maliki “government” of cabinet ministers and appointed American puppets and the Iraqi people as a whole as well as the majority of their Iraqi parliament (whom our Congress loves to mock as do-nothing layabouts rather than questioning the underlying reasons for their actions or lack thereof):
Http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200….._mandate_1
This U.N. Security Council “mandate” for our presence in Iraq is the fig leaf protecting the United States from culpability under international law for illegally occupying a sovereign foreign nation.
Yet as this DailyKos diary makes all too clear, using the State Department’s own reporting, the Iraqi “government,” mandate or no mandate, is not allowed to control its own affairs when it comes to the most basic of security needs for its own people on the streets:
Http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..19954/8340
Any Member of Congress who continues parroting the fiction that American forces are either wanted or needed inside Iraq by the clear majority of the Iraqi people and their parliament is a dishonorable liar, ignoring the evidence that is now in front of us all.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6983841.stm
Who do you support in Iraq, Senators? The IRAQI PEOPLE, or the corrupt, undemocratic, Iran-aligned “government” of cabinet members and ministers that our public Armed Forces and our taxpayer-funded private corporate army is now, and has been, protecting so long as they do our bidding?
Stop with the fantasy and the war games, Washington. FACE REALITY, and admit what you have allowed to be done in our names. Read that McClatchy reporting, and weep.
Fighting the war on “terror” with the occupation of horror? “Success” in Iraq?
There can be, and will be, NO honorable end to this dishonorably-begun, and brutally continued, occupation of Iraq.
Does Congress want to “reduce our troops” and “change our mission” and have a more limited, permanent colonial occupation of Iraq OR does it want to END OUR INHUMANE, UNCIVILIZED, ‘MIGHT MAKES RIGHT’ OCCUPATION OF A SOVEREIGN NATION?
That question addresses the reality of the imperial occupation of Iraq that actually exists; questions about the relative numbers of necessary public troop deployments for a “war” (either “terror-based” or “sectarian civil war-based”) used to justify our ongoing imperial occupation of Iraq do not – such diversionary discussions ignore truth in order to peddle more convenient, covering lies for the agendas of the powerful.
Meanwhile, in our name and for the falsely-defined ends of “democracy” and “freedom” and “safety” the killing and displacement of the Iraqi people, the sacrifice of the American military, the plunder of Iraq’s mammoth oil wealth and our federal treasury go on, unabated.
As for the topic at hand, every day makes me more afraid of this administration. The hapless dems are just laying down as if they were battered spouses. The only rationale I can affix to it is that they are now being cut in on the take from the lobbyists that previously had been bestowing all of their largesse on the repigs.
Follow the money.
not very likely. The dead enders will continue to worship their messiah. The corpo media will continue to shill for their owners. The SUV drivers will continue to guzzle gas. And as for the voting machines . . . let’s just say I don’t trust them.
When will it be time to take a up a serious conversation on the United States no longer exists as a functioning representative republic/democracy or what ever you want to call it? Shouldn’t we be getting a lot more vocal about an executive branch that does what it wants? A legislative branch that supposedly has the opposition party in the majority but with a few crumbs of legislation thrown out to its citizens to look good, the minority party and the executive branch still control the major issues and keeps the plan moving along with its objective. The judicial branch has not quite become usurped by the executive as long as the Supreme Court is not involved. The media written and broadcast pretty much follow the executive branch line. Yes there are a few individuals on air who rock the boat but they seem to be marginalized in the overall picture. When you read your news paper or listen/watch broadcast news & opinion shows the majority of content pretty much follows the line put forth by the controllers of our government. Look at recent stories that appear and fade real fast, the Minot/Barksdale “Bent Spear incident”, the major protest against the war in Iraq, the Jena 6 are just a couple of examples. When you talk to people you work with or associate with in public settings do you get a sense that they care sort of but what can be done or they pretty much spout the talking points which have been heaped upon them. We insult a countries leader when he visits our country (on business and attempts to converse with us) our leaders won’t talk to him because he is the new enemy. We let a small nation control our politics, guide our foreign policy, payoff our elected representatives, media, and who ever else they can influence with funds which may well come from our tax dollars. Any other nation which does this has their political group/lobbyists -representatives declared agents of a foreign govt.)but this one gets a pass as it has the same philosophy as those controlling government. I can continue with examples but why don’t you do some research and see what the hell is going on. Sorry to be long winded but I want my country back! There should be some serious effort to removing the veils which have been placed upon our population.
Bush defies political gravity in a word:
M-O-N-E-Y
Talking about polls, Obama is gaining steam. He reminds me of Clinton in ‘92. Obama now leads Clinton in likely Iowa caucus-goers. Let’s not forget Dean, McCain and all the other early leaders who nearly always flame out by the end. Right on the war when it mattered, a uniter and very principled, Obama is a good one to watch.
http://rawstory.com//news/2007….._0929.html
Brisingamen @ 69
The MSM is basically ignoring him. He must take a stand on some issued that they don’t like. Not quite sure why they don’t cover him.
but David Broder said Bush’s ratings would rebound. And David Broder writes for the Washington Post; you just write for a blog (yech). David Broder’s da man.
The corporations and MSM are afraid of Edwards. He won’t buy their bull.
I wish it would happen. I pray it does happen. I don’t see it happening.
Yes, Oddmommy,
Gravity, like Evolution, is merely a theory. Things stick to the ground because God wants them to.
Hi,
way down here in EPU, but just wanted to say my theory about polls is that there is going to be a certain percentage of people–you call them the “he’s our guy no matter what” people–maybe it’s a subset of those folks who believe they should support the Prez no matter who he is…did anyone factor those quaint folks in? Just wondering.
That’s the only way I can explain the bottom of the barrel to myself: the Rush Limbaugh bat shit crazies and the old fashioned folks who claim the US President no matter what.
SanderO @ 96
I thought that too, until Wednesday night. Their talk of 2013 was the biggest cave in yet. Including Edwards. I think kuchinich is the only one standing for anything at this point. I honestly don’t think he’d be effective as President though. VP possibly, not prezi. Congress would see to that.
Katymine has is right about Ron Paul. He is useful in taking to the pubs about the war in debates, kind of like Mike Gravel for the dems. Someone has to insert little bits of plain spoken truths to these people in their bubbleheadland.
errrr…. that’s “has it right”
Kathleen @ 70
I’m also impressed with Senator Webb. He pushed back and holds his own against GW. Pat Lang on his blog told a story about Webb’s courage in combat in Vietnam. Said Webb doesn’t talk about it, isn’t into bragging about himself. Like I said, impressive…
I wonder about Bush and gravity if the people aren’t in an uproar because one, I think as a country, we have not healed from the trauma of 911, which has been exploited and repeatedly reinforced with fear mongering. As a country, we’re also insecure and uncertain about the future, i.e., job insecurity, health care, etc. etc., and disillusioned about government. It’s the spirit of the time, the zeitgeist which I think is an important consideration in the discussion. Archetypally, we are in an era in which as Rick Tarnas states there is a “subtle but pervasive darkening of the collective consciousness, sometimes [manifesting] as a diffuse and difficult-to-diagnose social malaise, at other times as a direct response to deeply discouraging or tragic events…such eras are frequently marked by collective experiences of tragic loss, the defeat of ideals and aspirations, the death of a dream…” The good news is that things will change, but not yet.
The Neocon Fact Checker at the Washington Post claimed that it was a “real whopper” for the MoveOn Ad, which appeared in the New York Times, to claim that Bush and Petraeus were fighting an unwinnable war in Iraq, however, based on European and Russian experience in that region , our past history in Viet Nam and current experience in Iraq, the great majority of Americans probably wish they had never heard of George Bush and his unwinnable war.
Alecia @ 41
Emanuel is a DLC DEM and everything the Progressives deplore in the party. Had it not been for him, we would have more progressive democrats in the House today. His support behind centrist candidates over progressives in ‘06 cost us some added power in the House. I wish a strong DEM would run against him.
Kathleen @ 94
I like Edwards a lot, but I want to win more. Edwards has decided to accept matching federal funds which means he won’t have nearly as much money as Hillary, Obama or any Republican which all the front runners have opted out. That means he can’t be a real contender. It has to be either Hillary or Obama to compete with the GOP. Let’s pray it’s Obama if we all want to win.
So what allows Bush to defy political gravity?
the anti-gravity boots that the conservative mass media conglomerates have suited him up with, that’s what.
i have to admit, too, even i am puzzled by the lack of energy, ideas and enthusiasm of the demoRats for real opposition, ending the war, stopping an attack on iran, and impeaching the two gila monsters who remote control the executive branch. i can’t figure it out – they have the people behind them and yet they quake in their boots when bush and cheney say boo!!
It’s pure wishful thinking that it will change.
What we are seeing is increasingly evident proof that the minority interests have us by the throat and are not letting go. The media, the senators and the congressmen are afraid of them and do anything they ask, shamelessly humiliating themselves with public apologies and self-flaggelation over whatever … the most transparent lie or accusation coming from the far right. I have begun to develop the image that thugs in uniforms are calling on our Congressional leaders in the middle of the night, threatening to kill their children if they do not humiliate themselves the next day with some new slave-ish salute to the power of the
rightwing to attack them. The Presidents of networks fold like cards
and without a second thought about what the polls of their viewers have been saying for years, they go further and further right in their programming– certainly insulting a majority of their audience, and without the least concern about how they are alienating all of us and turning us away.
The Congress is the same, now condemning the people who voted for and financed their election, because somebody made a joke, or someone else might call them a dirty name.
Steny Hoyer and company sit up and take notice: They say you have created this atmosphere of fear and you are responsible for forcing all of your troops to eat manure and soil themselves in public, and apologize to the most ignorant of mad men.
Their poll shows 40% of people support a war with Iran. So either their poll is biased, or we are just a nation of war mongerers or just plain dumb MF’ers, or both. 40% is the magic number of support for those in power to pull the trigger. Bombs away.
raven @ 24
The biggest contributor to his AS(S) group was that Adelson guy who runs the Sands Casino…and who funded the ads run by Ari Fleisher backing the “surge” (vomit). Adelman is also the money-man behind Netanyahu’s resurgence (vomit) in the Likud.
Kathleen @ 3
Actually Rassmussen uses absolutely different criteria for rating Congress…the categories are different “Excellent…Good…Fair…Poor” and Rassmussen considers Good Fair as “approval”.
He also uses that system in rating Congressional leaders like Pelosi and Reid.
How can “Fair” evaluations be lumped in with Bush’s “Somewhat Disapprove”? They aren’t the same thing. Yet Rassmussen (and other pollsters) do this as if they are making equitable contrasts.
What’s even worse is they could change the criteria/categories if they wished…but don’t.
PLEEEEAAASSSE, PLLLEEEAAASSSE, PLEEAAASSSEE… LET IT BE SO!!!!
cinnamonape @ 109
That should say “Rassmussen considers “Fair” as “Disapproval…for Congress and Congressional leadership.
Oil floats atop water. Much like Chauncey Gardner’s trek across the water, Bush fails to tank because “its the economy stupid.” Oil keeps him afloat. Executive Oil has tied their economic survival to America’s dependency on oil, and now uses our Military to exact their revenge on Iran for the interests of Corporate oil……..
Fisher Price toys comes to mind. When the square peg is placed in the round hole, it is forced in and we accept it as fact, without question, while the peg and the toy are broken in the process. Fact is once the correct peg is placed in the proper hole, everything becomes clear.
As you sit in traffic for hours going nowhere, realize and think who benefits from this condition. As dutiful law abiding Americans die, we sit in cars, motors running, waiting for a coffee at Dunkin Donuts. “Instilled needs by corporate design!!!!!”"
So in the final analysis, it comes all back to the cost of energy, for the American way of life. For our freedom of movement, we pay forever increasing cost at the pump, while the real cost for this “energy war,” designed to continue the profits of Exxon Mobile et als, is decency, honesty, American Blood and our Constitution, which has been shredded.
Natural Selection, Corporate Treason and Executive Oil…….
RockPaperScizzors @ 26
It’s too bad it hasn’t helped in his case.