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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/27/patriot-act-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-1002609</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem is that once you ignore the “icky” parts of the Constitution (ooo! GUNS!! SCAREY!!!) you kinda lose the moral high ground that would otherwise enable you to launch an indignant assault when the less-icky parts are ignored. It’s hypocritical for the ACLU to whine about warrantless searches when they have done nothing to stand up for other parts of the Constitution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An un-Constitutional law is simply un-Constitutional, whether or not the thugs in black robes back the thugs in jackboots. The Constitution was not written as a clever challenge to modern lawmakers, a mindteaser to keep them occupied while they try to figure out new and better ways to do end-runs around the original intent. It was written as an absolute limit on the powers of a central government, and was written by men, most of whom were intellectually and morally far superior to many running around today, who knew full well the power of individual liberty and the evil of centralized power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was the document that CREATED the government and GRANTED certain LIMITED powers to the government, while GUARANTEEING rights to the people via the Bill of Rights. It was a package deal. “We’ll let you have this, and ONLY this, but you can’t infringe on that. Deal? Deal!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Therefore it logically follows that no Bill of Rights or a damaged Bill of Rights means NO CONSTITUTION and guess what? No Constitution means NO GOVERNMENT.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s gotta be Ron Paul in 2008 or America is going to continue to slide down the drain…only more quickly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that once you ignore the “icky” parts of the Constitution (ooo! GUNS!! SCAREY!!!) you kinda lose the moral high ground that would otherwise enable you to launch an indignant assault when the less-icky parts are ignored. It’s hypocritical for the ACLU to whine about warrantless searches when they have done nothing to stand up for other parts of the Constitution.</p>
<p>An un-Constitutional law is simply un-Constitutional, whether or not the thugs in black robes back the thugs in jackboots. The Constitution was not written as a clever challenge to modern lawmakers, a mindteaser to keep them occupied while they try to figure out new and better ways to do end-runs around the original intent. It was written as an absolute limit on the powers of a central government, and was written by men, most of whom were intellectually and morally far superior to many running around today, who knew full well the power of individual liberty and the evil of centralized power.</p>
<p>It was the document that CREATED the government and GRANTED certain LIMITED powers to the government, while GUARANTEEING rights to the people via the Bill of Rights. It was a package deal. “We’ll let you have this, and ONLY this, but you can’t infringe on that. Deal? Deal!”</p>
<p>Therefore it logically follows that no Bill of Rights or a damaged Bill of Rights means NO CONSTITUTION and guess what? No Constitution means NO GOVERNMENT.</p>
<p>It’s gotta be Ron Paul in 2008 or America is going to continue to slide down the drain…only more quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/27/patriot-act-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-1001477</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have three words for the people celebrating this ruling:  OVERTURNED ON APPEAL.  End of story.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have three words for the people celebrating this ruling:  OVERTURNED ON APPEAL.  End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/27/patriot-act-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-1001186</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1000582&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;pow wow @ 302&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;A very important addendum, via this comment by Peter G over at talkleft.com:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Despite the seemingly insumountable odds, Mayfield’s criminal case was won a year or so ago by the Federal Public Defender’s Office for the District of Oregon.  &lt;b&gt;Fearless, relentless, brilliant, and dedicated public defenders.  They uncovered the FBI’s fingerprint fraud and got all criminal charges dismissed.  Gerry Spence, the maverick champion of liberty from Jackson, Wyoming, then volunteered to handle Mayfield’s civil case&lt;/b&gt;, suing the DOJ and the lab.  When they offered Mayfield $2 million, &lt;b&gt;Spence (and Mayfield) refused to take the money without a stipulation that they could continue to pursue the claim for a “declaratory judgment” on the constitutionality of the PATRIOT Act&lt;/b&gt; provisions that were invoked against him.  That’s the part of the case that led to yesterday’s ruling.  &lt;b&gt;Kudos due to Gerry Spence, as well as honor to Mayfield for fighting for everyone’s rights&lt;/b&gt; and not just his own interest. - &lt;b&gt;Peter G&lt;/b&gt;, at 5:30 p.m. 9/27&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/9/26/21959/1888&quot;&gt;http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/9/26/21959/1888&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oooh, thanks!  Will mention this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1000582"><em>pow wow @ 302</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>A very important addendum, via this comment by Peter G over at talkleft.com:</p>
<blockquote><p>Despite the seemingly insumountable odds, Mayfield’s criminal case was won a year or so ago by the Federal Public Defender’s Office for the District of Oregon.  <b>Fearless, relentless, brilliant, and dedicated public defenders.  They uncovered the FBI’s fingerprint fraud and got all criminal charges dismissed.  Gerry Spence, the maverick champion of liberty from Jackson, Wyoming, then volunteered to handle Mayfield’s civil case</b>, suing the DOJ and the lab.  When they offered Mayfield $2 million, <b>Spence (and Mayfield) refused to take the money without a stipulation that they could continue to pursue the claim for a “declaratory judgment” on the constitutionality of the PATRIOT Act</b> provisions that were invoked against him.  That’s the part of the case that led to yesterday’s ruling.  <b>Kudos due to Gerry Spence, as well as honor to Mayfield for fighting for everyone’s rights</b> and not just his own interest. &#8211; <b>Peter G</b>, at 5:30 p.m. 9/27</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/9/26/21959/1888">http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/9/26/21959/1888</a></p>
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<p>Oooh, thanks!  Will mention this.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1000144&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 5&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We will prevail.  We will.  We will.  We will.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You bet we will!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1000144"><em>LS @ 5</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>We will prevail.  We will.  We will.  We will.</p>
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<p>You bet we will!</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dmac would make a great president! She just keeps going and going and going! Nothing keeps her from doing what is right. :-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dmac would make a great president! She just keeps going and going and going! Nothing keeps her from doing what is right. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/27/patriot-act-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-1001118</link>
		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1000259&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 93&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1000254&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dmac @ 88&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;kay-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;_y-key_aord-died———_otto_row-does_’t-work-that-i__udes-the-spa_e_ar&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;_o-joke-it’s-fu__y&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LOL Exactly Raven! I’m reading her comment this morning to me and I’m thinking, “Uh yeah, okay”. Hysterical!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1000259"><em>raven @ 93</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1000254"><em>dmac @ 88</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>kay-</p>
<p>_y-key_aord-died———_otto_row-does_’t-work-that-i__udes-the-spa_e_ar</p>
<p>_o-joke-it’s-fu__y</p>
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<p>Oh.</p>
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<p>LOL Exactly Raven! I’m reading her comment this morning to me and I’m thinking, “Uh yeah, okay”. Hysterical!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/27/patriot-act-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-1001066</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1000414&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 234&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So what was their position on the burning of witches?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Huckabee: I’m the only one here who as a governor has had to burn witches.  So I have experience.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Keyes:  Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live and besides they probably are Democrats anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tancredo:  There are too many witches in this country and more sneaking across the border every day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paul:  The government should stay out of the potions business.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Brownback:  It depends on whether they favor evolution or intelligent design.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hunter:  I would have to check to see if they have paid me campaign bribes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hilarious, LMAO, ROFLOL amazing!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, if someone could only take those statements and turn it into a joke. Heh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1000414"><em>Hugh @ 234</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>So what was their position on the burning of witches?</p>
<p>Huckabee: I’m the only one here who as a governor has had to burn witches.  So I have experience.</p>
<p>Keyes:  Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live and besides they probably are Democrats anyway.</p>
<p>Tancredo:  There are too many witches in this country and more sneaking across the border every day.</p>
<p>Paul:  The government should stay out of the potions business.</p>
<p>Brownback:  It depends on whether they favor evolution or intelligent design.</p>
<p>Hunter:  I would have to check to see if they have paid me campaign bribes.</p>
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<p>Hilarious, LMAO, ROFLOL amazing!</p>
<p>Now, if someone could only take those statements and turn it into a joke. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/27/patriot-act-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-1000816</link>
		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I followed the link at the top of this post to the article about the Magna Carta up for auction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2530944.ece&quot;&gt;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....530944.ece&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The version to be sold has been in Washington, DC at The National Archives on loan from Ross Perot (Perot Foundation) It was displayed beside our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution, as one of the documents our Founding Fathers referenced. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The article (above) mentions that ‘billionaire’ Ross Perot bought the document for a song in 1984 at the cheap price of $1.5 million. Why not permanently donate the Magna Carta to the government (well maybe not while Cheney is still around) and take a tax writeoff? Certainly a billionnaire can afford the loss for the sake of the country, especially one who once ran for Office of the President of the US.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed the link at the top of this post to the article about the Magna Carta up for auction.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2530944.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t&#8230;..530944.ece</a></p>
<p>The version to be sold has been in Washington, DC at The National Archives on loan from Ross Perot (Perot Foundation) It was displayed beside our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution, as one of the documents our Founding Fathers referenced. </p>
<p>The article (above) mentions that ‘billionaire’ Ross Perot bought the document for a song in 1984 at the cheap price of $1.5 million. Why not permanently donate the Magna Carta to the government (well maybe not while Cheney is still around) and take a tax writeoff? Certainly a billionnaire can afford the loss for the sake of the country, especially one who once ran for Office of the President of the US.</p>
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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/27/patriot-act-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-1000795</link>
		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m in EPU land here but wanted to add my thanks to Mr. Mayfield and his lawyer for helping roll back an illegal aspect of the Patriot Act. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Mayfield certainly had to endure an awful burden to “obtain” his standing’ in a court of law and be in the position to challenge an unconstitutional provision of the Patriot Act.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MY QUESTION: Why there is not some mechanism in place to protect the American public from bad law?  Is it just tradition that the courts wait for a victim of a bad law before ‘removing from the store shelves’? (We are a capitalist society ;-) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why cannot it be more like parents’ reactions to lead contaminated toys from China–that is, Horror that any person was put in foreseeable danger by a bad product? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why cannot the courts step in when they see a bad product before anyone is hurt?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m in EPU land here but wanted to add my thanks to Mr. Mayfield and his lawyer for helping roll back an illegal aspect of the Patriot Act. </p>
<p>Mr. Mayfield certainly had to endure an awful burden to “obtain” his standing’ in a court of law and be in the position to challenge an unconstitutional provision of the Patriot Act.</p>
<p>MY QUESTION: Why there is not some mechanism in place to protect the American public from bad law?  Is it just tradition that the courts wait for a victim of a bad law before ‘removing from the store shelves’? (We are a capitalist society ;-) </p>
<p>Why cannot it be more like parents’ reactions to lead contaminated toys from China–that is, Horror that any person was put in foreseeable danger by a bad product? </p>
<p>Why cannot the courts step in when they see a bad product before anyone is hurt?</p>
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		<title>By: pow wow</title>
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		<dc:creator>pow wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A very important addendum, via this comment by Peter G over at talkleft.com:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Despite the seemingly insumountable odds, Mayfield’s criminal case was won a year or so ago by the Federal Public Defender’s Office for the District of Oregon.  &lt;b&gt;Fearless, relentless, brilliant, and dedicated public defenders.  They uncovered the FBI’s fingerprint fraud and got all criminal charges dismissed.  Gerry Spence, the maverick champion of liberty from Jackson, Wyoming, then volunteered to handle Mayfield’s civil case&lt;/b&gt;, suing the DOJ and the lab.  When they offered Mayfield $2 million, &lt;b&gt;Spence (and Mayfield) refused to take the money without a stipulation that they could continue to pursue the claim for a “declaratory judgment” on the constitutionality of the PATRIOT Act&lt;/b&gt; provisions that were invoked against him.  That’s the part of the case that led to yesterday’s ruling.  &lt;b&gt;Kudos due to Gerry Spence, as well as honor to Mayfield for fighting for everyone’s rights&lt;/b&gt; and not just his own interest. - &lt;b&gt;Peter G&lt;/b&gt;, at 5:30 p.m. 9/27&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/9/26/21959/1888&quot;&gt;http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/9/26/21959/1888&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very important addendum, via this comment by Peter G over at talkleft.com:</p>
<blockquote><p>Despite the seemingly insumountable odds, Mayfield’s criminal case was won a year or so ago by the Federal Public Defender’s Office for the District of Oregon.  <b>Fearless, relentless, brilliant, and dedicated public defenders.  They uncovered the FBI’s fingerprint fraud and got all criminal charges dismissed.  Gerry Spence, the maverick champion of liberty from Jackson, Wyoming, then volunteered to handle Mayfield’s civil case</b>, suing the DOJ and the lab.  When they offered Mayfield $2 million, <b>Spence (and Mayfield) refused to take the money without a stipulation that they could continue to pursue the claim for a “declaratory judgment” on the constitutionality of the PATRIOT Act</b> provisions that were invoked against him.  That’s the part of the case that led to yesterday’s ruling.  <b>Kudos due to Gerry Spence, as well as honor to Mayfield for fighting for everyone’s rights</b> and not just his own interest. &#8211; <b>Peter G</b>, at 5:30 p.m. 9/27</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/9/26/21959/1888">http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/9/26/21959/1888</a></p>
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