Are you in the middle class, upper middle class or among the richest top 1 percent?
Unbelievably, in 2004 when Al Gore dismissed George W. Bush’s plan for tax cuts as a benefit for the richest 1 percent, polls showed that 19 percent of Americans believed they were in that top 1 percent, and another 21 percent thought they would be there in the next 10 years.
Even at the height of the Depression, when a similar poll was taken, most people placed themselves in an economic status much higher than they actually were in.
So what’s the meaning of this seemingly hard-core self-delusion? According to Michael Zweig, professor of economics at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, the persistence of the American public in identifying with the wealthy means those of us in the progressive movement should stop pitting rich against poor when communicating with the rest of the world because
when we attack “the rich” too many people think we are attacking them and their future.
The titles of Zweig’s two recent books, What’s Class Got to Do with It: American Society in the Twenty-First Century and The Working Class Majority: America’s Best Kept Secret, indicate the framework he thinks should replace the rich-poor dichotomy: Class—working, middle, ruling and capitalist. Zweig, an AFT member and longtime union activist, spoke yesterday here at the AFL-CIO, where he elaborated on why class is an essential starting point for more effective politics to turn back the right-wing tide that has swept across the United States with growing power for nearly 40 years.
The real source of the political and economic misdirection in this country is the increasingly unbridled power of the capitalist class and their arrogant pursuit of profit for the few at the expense of the vast majority of Americans and peoples of the world. This should be the target of our politics. Being rich is not the key point….The people Dick Cheney met with in early 2001 to set energy policy were rich, but much more to the point they were captains of industry, senior executives of U.S. energy corporations.
Without acknowledging class, Zweig notes:
We’re facing a one-sided class war.
In short:
When I’m talking about class, I’m talking about power.
Zweig also is director of the Center for Study of Working Class Life, which seeks to develop an understanding of class like we have an understanding of race and gender and to add to the progressive discussion of race and gender in a way that expands those boundaries.
Class differences now divide ethnic and racial populations in ever more important ways. Although blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately found more often in the working class and less often in the middle and capitalist classes, compared with their shares of the labor force (and in lower-paying jobs in all classes compared with whites), there are nevertheless millions of black and Hispanic professionals, managers, and small business owners, and growing numbers in the corporate elite as well. Each class is divided by race and ethnicity; each race and ethnic group is divided by class.
When the Bush administration’s disastrous response to Hurricane Katrina prompted the media to run headlines about poverty, poverty became equated with African Americans. But as Zweig points out, plenty of white workers in that area are impoverished as well. Not until we address class can we address racism in New Orleans because without class as a framework, we will continue to see black people as poor and white people as having nothing to do with it. A class framework does not substitute for race or gender, but interacts with it.
Class, says Zweig, has come out of the closet in recent years. While issues were not discussed in terms of class eight or 10 years ago, now we see such books as Jeff Faux’s The Global Class War and The New York Times 2005 series on class. Earlier this year, Allan Ornstein published Class Counts: Education, Inequality, and the Shrinking Middle Class, from which he wrote:
In the tradition of Thomas Jefferson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson, the working- and middle-class populace, that is the vast majority of Americans, need and deserve security, safety nets and social/health programs that help provide a descent way of life. We just seem unable to make an issue out of growing inequality, or the decimation of the middle class, fearing that it sounds un-American or like class warfare. It is puzzling why the rich should not be asked to bear their full share of government burdens, especially now with the government in deep debt.
Zweig also challenges the notion that political appeals to the middle class are appropriate for building winning messages because he says it’s uncertain we really identify ourselves.
It is true that large majorities say they are in the middle class when the choices given are “upper, middle, lower” or “rich, middle, poor.” But when “working class” is given as a choice, 45 percent to 55 percent of Americans put themselves in the working class.
America’s founders saw power as the opposite of liberty. While they weren’t opposed to creating a free market society, they were determined to limit unbridled power, which they identified as a key source of corruption. After all, the Kennedys are wealthy. So is John Edwards who, contrary to reactionary propaganda, isn’t hypocritical because of his wealth—his secure foundation gives him a sound financial footing to wage war on the Two Americas. The founders were on to something: Wealth in and of itself isn’t the issue. It’s what you do with it.
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Hi there Tula!
Tula!
Very interesting post…
I’ll always remember what Bartlett(Martin Sheen) said in “The West Wing” once. Most people think they’ll end up becoming millionaires, even though, of course, they won’t. That’s the problem with trying to increase the estate tax.
Class?
I have no class, just ask my friends.
Holy crap. If I think I’m working class to working poor, does that mean I’m actually impoverished? Ack!
There is a flip side to this: many of the uber-rich think of themselves as middle class,
even as they slash benefits, export jobs, or enable those who do.
I’m sure that Henry Paulson thinks of himself as middle class.
Class is complex. Are we talking about class in a purely economic sense? What about the educated poor?
Tula:
Wonderful post. It’s why the media attacks Edwards. John Lennon is right. A working class hero is something to be. The upper class looks down on anyone that isn’t to the manor born. Look at people like Springsteen. He was at the forefront of the rebirth of Asbury Park, NJ. He was always raising money for causes. Letting the local food bank set up donation booths outside his shows. A lot of the rich just do charity for PR purposes. When a guy like Edwards means what he says, that causes the big money to get crap in their pants. They must be hoping like hell that Hillary beats him in Iowa.
Anybody got a link to an up-to-date U.S. income percentile rank distribution table?
Thoams Frank’s What’s the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America (which came out in Holt paperback in 2005) also states this well:
Editorial description:
I noticed that during Gore’s campaign, too. I guess people need to hear a specific dollar amount–if you’re net worth is less than $500 million, you are not voting in your own best interest when you vote Republican. Not that the Dem are so wonderful either, but possibly they can be taken back to being the party of the people if enough people get educated and involved.
allan_in_upstate @ 7
Middle class of what? The middle class in the Richard Branson set? That’s Paulson is the working poor compared to Branson?
OK we’re delusional. In 1972 McGovern ran on increasing the estate tax to almost confiscatory rates believing that a tax that impacted less than one half of one percent of the populace would be attractive to the rest. He lost every state but Massachussets.
How would you approach the problem? Safety net programs don’t interest people who think they will never need them.
earn big bucks but avoid that pesky “wealthy” feeling:
“Wealth in and of itself isn’t the issue. It’s what you do with it”
Also how you acquired it $$$
The rest of you are right, too. Class is about mor ethan $$. It’s education, too. It’s advantages of all kinds. I always believe I’m working class and identify with the poor and struggling, but lots of people have a need to distance themselves from that.
BobbyG @ 10
Lots of information at Wiki
A common sleazeball statistical technique
(yes, David Brooks, I’m talking about you)
is to discuss mean income figures,
rather than median.
The Bush philosophy seems to be right in there with Darwin, even though he would attempt to argue against that. The sense of “entitlement” by those, such as W, born into wealth; therefore, lacking the experience of ever being without wealth, leaves them believing in “survival of the fittest”. Sink or swim, if you can’t swim, you are not “supposed” to be here. A perfect example of that at a basic level is what the world witnessed during the 5 days following Katrina. It just seems to me that those born with a silver spoon in their mouths, often lack the “experience” of the citizenry, and are unfit to create policy that affects the general public. It is not stupidity, it is not incompetence, it is a thorough inability to empathize, due to the lack of any context in their lives from which to consult their conscience. JMHO
allan_in_upstate @ 18
Thanks. The Wiki stuff is marginally helpful. Too crude w/respect to the strata delineations. I’d like to see a finer-grained tabulation going up all the way. “$100,000 and up” is not very illuminating.
What’s interesting is to contrast the public’s willingness to use the government to help the rich with their unwillingness to use government to help the elderly.
America: Where everyone believes they’re going to get rich, and no one believes they’re going to get old.
Democracy Now….. today.
Burma, Jena 6, Afghanistan, Columbia, Gaza
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..27/1435245
allan_in_upstate @ 18
Yep! You can show it with baseball as an example. I think the average salary in the sport is something along the lines of $2.5M but the median salary is something along $850K. Neither is chump change but the difference is significant.
BobbyG @ 10
Here. (It’s for 2005. But no percentile. Just figures.)
dakine01 @ 23
Similarly w/ the NFL. “Average” may be in the millions, but the mdeian is more like the NFL minimum low six figures. The latter “not chump change” either, until you consider that your career expectancy is about 4 years.
After which you will likely be hobbled with chronic enervating orthopedic maladies for a long time.
allan_in_upstate @ 18
That’s pretty common – most people, even some who claim to be competent in math and statistics, don’t understand the difference.
I was talking to a fellow passenger one day, and after I said that the median annual rainfall in LA was two inches less than the mean (seriously, it is – 13 vs 15 inches), so it would be a really good idea to plan water use based on the median, he was arguing that there wan’t any difference. He was running a golf-course landscaping company and claimed he knew the difference, but clearly didn’t!
Sagacity @ 12
You got it.
By the way, some good news today —
The Matthew Shepard Bill (anti-hate-crimes) passed both Houses by filibuster-proof margins.
While Israel demands that Iran abide by Iaea agreements Israel does as they please
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s…..TE=DEFAULT
Sep 25, 3:08 PM EDT
Israel seeks exemption from atomic rules
By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press Writer
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VIENNA, Austria (AP) — Israel is looking to a U.S.-India nuclear deal to expand its own ties to suppliers, quietly lobbying for an exemption to non-proliferation rules so it can legally import atomic material, according to documents made available Tuesday to The Associated Press.
The move is sure to raise concerns among Arab nations already considering their neighbor the region’s atomic arms threat. Israel has never publicly acknowledged having nuclear weapons but is generally considered to possess them.
There is also this graphic (in several senses) portrayal of the income distribution curve.
However, who ever made it seems to be conflating income with wealth. So: buyer beware.
punaise @ 15:
You would know…*g*
Short film on Burma by the film project WITNESS
http://witness.org/
Now that is fascinating, Tula.
It seems like the argument needs to be reframed (and lordy do I hate that word but it’s applicable in this case) as a “ruling class” rather than “the rich”, an exclusionary group that legislates to exclude others from achieving the American dream.
Just a whole lot pithier.
BTW Naomi Wolf is going to have a post on Blackwater here in about an hour. You won’t want to miss it.
P J Evans @ 26
Simple illustration.
My name is JB Gready. I employ 9 people, each of whom I pay $10,000 a year. I pay myself $910,000 a year.
My payroll, consequently, is one million dollars per year. The “average” paycheck at my company, then, is a hundred grand (1 million / 10), whereas the median is ten thou.
Which more accurately reflects the expectation in working for me?
Simple.
As they’ve said: There’s now a huge gap between the very rich and the merely rich. Now you have to be a billionaire with a private jet and several homes in the US and preferably Europe to be considered very rich. The merely rich maybe share a private jet with several others and own maybe two-three homes in domestic US.
The rich in general (very and merely) both occupy the top 1 percent of the US population and gobble about 60 percent of the nation’s wealth. (Links abound in Google.)
President Clinton is highlighting the efforts of Wal-Mart to safeguard the environment, saying the company’s practices could be a template for growth in developing countries.
I don’t hear Clinton praising WalMart’s anti union activities, low pay, and lousy health care.
Good morning, Tula. Thank you for this article.
There is something psychologically unappealing about the term “middle”. In many cultures it equates with “so-so” and disinterest in self-development. Do you want to be a “so-so” professional dancer, medical doctor, professional cabinet maker, organic farmer? No one want to emulate mediocracy. My small patio garden is not so-so; it’s tops.
Members of my family thought Bush would save them from taxes because they are classed as rich (and they certainly class themselves that way – above average). They think they are financially secure. Instead their taxes were painfully high. They aren’t rich enough for the Bush tax cute.
The wealthy Indonesians thought they were above the lower and middle classes, until the rupiah was devalued and worth 10% of its original value. Suddenly, they became low income. My family used to love to shop in Europe. Now they can’t afford it. That should tell them something about their wealth.
Megarich people are insulated. But the other 99% may make it for one generation and not have much to pass on to heirs. They would be so much better off if they thought good healthcare for all, good homes/apartments for all, good schools for all. Hemmm, sounds like Sweden and Denmark.
BobbyG @ 10
We’ve got a database on our site
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/factsstats/
that feeds off govt and other such stats and you can create reports fairly easily by state and nation in many categories, including wages.
Biodun @ 1
Hi,Biodun!
HYPOCRISY AND CONTRADICTIONS
Israel bid to benefit from US, India deal
By Seema Mustafa
Thursday September 27, 12:16 AM
New Delhi, Sept. 26: Israel is using the Indo-US civil nuclear energy agreement to get its own concessions from the Nuclear Suppliers Group. The Associated Press has broken the story based on documents that Israel circulated to the members of the NSG, which clearly show that it is lobbying to import nuclear material.
The apprehension of US Congressmen that others would use the India example to ask for special concessions extended to Pakistan and North Korea, which are not part of the NPT, but not Israel, which has still not declared its nuclear weapon status. However, according to the AP report, “the initiative appeared to be linked to a US-India agreement that would effectively waive the group’s rules by allowing the United States to supply India with nuclear fuel despite its refusal both to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty and allowing the IAEA to inspect all its nuclear facilities.”
http://in.news.yahoo.com/070926/251/6l8rh.html
“the framework he thinks should replace the rich-poor dichotomy: Class—working, middle, ruling and capitalist. “
Oh, yeah, that’ll work just swell. Let’s not forget that there was Bush, in his cowboy hat, outside his artificial pond stocked with bass for fishing, turning up the level on his drawl machine. How could that good ol’ boy be one of them there evil ruling class capitalist fellers? And why y’all so het up about capitalists? You one of those socialist-Islamofascists that my pal O’Reily keeps ranting about?
I also question the basic premise at work here. I don’t see any advantage whatsoever in ignoring misinformation. It’s just buying into people’s delusions to make them feel, falsely, good about themselves.
If 19% of Americans mistakenly see themselves as being in the top 1%, what’s wrong with telling the truth, that it just ain’t so, that they’re being lied to, and that the real top 1% are making as much in a week as much of that 19% make in a year, that they don’t pay very much in taxes and that they are screwing the rest of us royally?
I see nothing wrong with that “frame” at all.
Jane Hamsher @ 32
“The 1% ruling elite” ?
I think the percentage needs to be emphasized.
I’ve used hyperrich myself, but I think the teeny percentage needs to be highlighted somehow…
Bustednuckles @ 2
Hi, Bustednuckles!
My household’s in the upper 13% or the upper quintile, depending on how you calculate income.
TAX ME.
And tax everybody above me. There are too many ways for me to get around paying taxes if I simply pay an accountant.
And I would still figure out how to make more money even if you taxed me.
I never could figure out why 90 % of the USSR tolerated the crap that the leadership of that country demanded before the end of the Soviet era. Why didn’t they rise up and do something to change the status quo??
Ditto to the rest of the 85% or more below my household in income. I may have worked very hard to get here, and I may want to preserve my lifestyle, but improving the lifestyle of all the rest of the country isn’t going to hurt mine.
A rising tide lifts all boats, yes? Raise the tide. Take some of my money and invest it wisely; teach children, ease poverty, heal the sick. It’s not going to hurt me one lick.
I prefer “ruling class elite.” People think they are in the 1%. Probably because they feel rich with a 6 figure income–even if it’s $100,000. And of course, they are compared to the median.peanutbutter @ 42
Jane Hamsher @ 32
Right on, Jane. In literature the lower classes were repulsive and criminal. The middle class saw work as demeaning so pretended to be above the middle class while counting on wealthier relatives to aid in their support. Never mind where women were in this equation.
In Nevada, the poorest people are the die hard Republicans. They vote against their own interest over and over again. They are dirt poor. No healthcare. Nothing. Somehow, they hold the rich at gods. They want to align with them, waiting for the “trickle down crumbs” from the economically rich.
Economic status is psychological. We need new terms because rich just puts votes in the Republican boxes. I’ll think about terms. Language is dominant.
The other thing is, being salaried and management doesn’t mean being high-income. You can be making less than the paid-by-the-hour people around you.
OT for a minute. I just went outside, and the sky is full of jet “trails”, almost in a tic tac toe pattern. I’m not even really near flight patterns. I’m in Central TX. Maybe they are cloud seeding???
I think it was my Dad that told me the diferrence between a Democrat and a Republican was about 3 or 4 paychecks.
The Bush administration’s and the “Cakewalk” crazies march to Iran should be FRONT AND CENTER!
Iraq Will Have to Wait
By Scott Ritter
Truthdig.com
Thursday 27 September 2007
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092707C.shtml
“The highest priority for the antiwar movement in America today must be the prevention of a war with Iran. The strategic objectives should include getting Congress to repeal the war-powers authorities currently on the books, thereby forcing the president to seek new congressional approval for any new war. Likewise, a concerted effort must be undertaken to counter the disinformation being spread by the Bush administration and others about the nature of the Iranian threat. Every action undertaken by the antiwar movement must be connected to one or both of these strategic objectives. This is not the time for one-off sophomoric newspaper advertisements, but rather for sustained action focused on generating congressional hearings and public debate across the entire spectrum of American society. From the colleges and universities to the churches and on to the public square of small-town America, public information talks, presentations and panels must be held. Communities should flood local media outlets with requests for coverage and appeal to regional media to run stories. Mainstream media will follow. Demonstrations, if useful at all, must be focused events linked to an overall campaign designed to facilitate a strategic objective.
We all should remember the fall of 2002. Many felt that there was no chance for a war with Iraq, especially once U.N. inspectors made their return. In March 2003, everyone who thought so was proved wrong. The fall of 2007 is no different. There is a sense of complacency when one speaks of the potential for a war with Iran. But time is not on the side of those who oppose conflict. If nothing is done to change the political situation inside America regarding Iran, there is an all too real possibility for a war to break out in the spring of 2008.
Sadly, there really is no alternative for the antiwar movement: Put opposition to the war in Iraq on the back burner and make preventing a war with Iran the No. 1 priority, at least until the national election cycle kicks in during the summer of 2008. If a war with Iran hasn’t happened by then, it probably won’t. And the national debate on Iraq won’t be engaged until that time, anyway. A war with Iran would make the current conflict in Iraq pale by comparison, and would detrimentally impact the whole of America, not just certain demographics. As such, it is critical that we all put aside our ideological and political differences and focus on the one issue which, if left unheeded, will have devastating consequences for the immediate future of us all: Prevent a future war with Iran.
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P J Evans @ 46
Exactly. A lot of union jobs like longshoremen and even truck drivers make salaries higher than some professional people. I see class as a cultural phenomenon that is heavily influenced by your and your family’s economic history.
LS @ 47
Because you haven’t had enough rain in Central TX?
I have a question for those of you with statistics knowledge. I’m attaching a link to an instrument that an organization in Dallas created to assess community development, education, income level, etc. I am trying to figure out exactly where they are coming from, i.e. is it really a good instrument, are they progressive or conservative leaning, etc. They make it really hard to figure out. So, do any of you know anything about this instrument or this organization that might help me? And, yes, I think especially in Texas we have a class of people w/ a lot of $$, who have a lot of clout and have the ear’s of many important decision makers. Whereas, those of us who simply care, but don’t have a lot of $$ or clout do not have the same importance to the decision makers. It’s quite sad and maddening.
http://www.analyzedallas.org/A…..fault.aspx
Tithonia @ 51
Biodun @ 35
The heir to the University of Phoenix online school fortune has a fixer-upper in Pacific Heights for sale for $65,000,000. It is one of thirty homes he owns.
BobbyG @ 10
Try this!
Somehow it should matter that there are more of us (99%) than there are of them.
Ack! Ack!
“An expert on power plant control systems, Joe Weiss, told CNN that Iran and Pakistan — nations from which terrorists could potentially launch an attack — employed near-identical power systems.
“They have the same training, the same passwords,” Weiss said of those countries’ power engineers.
“What’s new here,” said Robert Jamison, acting Undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security, “is that through a cyber atttack you can actually get in and do physical damage to equipment. That’s the new piece of this.”
http://rawstory.com//news/2007….._0927.html
Bustednuckles @ 49
30 or 40 these days.
BobbyG @ 34
Bill Gates walks into a bar in a working class neighborhood. Using median wages, everybody else in the bar just got rich.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 36
What do you expect? Hillary once served on their board. They aren’t gonna criticize Wal-Mart. They’ll just praise the one out of 10 things they do right.
Bobby G, I tried to get this link to you a couple of days ago. If you haven’t checked it out, there might be something there for you:
http://www.makingmusiconline.com
yellowsnapdragon @ 51
And history in general. This was a dominant theme in English literature on which so much is based in our culture. When you fell from grace it was economic grace. “The Fatal Shore” by Robert Hughes is a masterpiece of research on the fortunes and doom of the classes in England. It explores how much economic class and religion are entwined. The chosen are rich; the poor and middle class have little hope of being predestined to entire the golden gates.
The language we use has an old and ugly history.
Call me old fashioned but I think it’s imperative to keep pointing out the huge gulf between the haves and the have nots. And most very wealthy folks do not behave like the Kennedys and John Edwards. The filthy rich act much more like the Bush family.
@ 57
You’re obviously not a Randroid (Ayn Rand fan).
MayDaze @ 65
Well, I suspect you won’t find many Randroids among the regulars here (”Randroid”–I like that).
EvilDrPuma @ 66
Agreed. I just like the term, too!
Let’s see, we have Democrats with boatloads of money, policy advantages (hey, we *are* the reality-based community, and we *do* want government to *work*), and a public that agrees with us when they’re informed and *disagrees* with us when they *aren’t* — let’s invest some of that money in some political, not-explicitly-partisan ads, like good old PSA’s: Public Service Announcements. Ads of ten-to-thirty seconds, with messages like:
“The attacks of 9/11 were perpetrated by extremist assholes. Iraq had nothing to do with them. Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with them. Now, back to your regularly-scheduled programming.”
“Forty-five million Americans don’t have health insurance. Seven-to-nine million of those are kids. Our current healthcare policy punishes kids for their parents’ poverty. This message brought to you by the Democratic National Committee.”
“Polar ice is shrinking faster than scientists predicted, and it’s not coming back. Climate change is real. Sea levels are rising. This will cause millions of people to die; millions of others will be displaced and impoverished. Billions of others will also be affected — this includes you.”
“The richest one percent of American families make $300,000 every year. This probably doesn’t include you. Nineteen percent of Americans think they’re in the top one percent, but eighteen of every nineteen of those people are wrong, and making bad financial decisions as a result. This may well include you.”
And so on, and so on…
OT, Verizon reverses position on text messages with NARAL. Seems they weren’t real happy being caught in a sh*t storm.
This post is very similar to a train of thought I had this morning, prompting me to send an e-mail to several prominent members of our county Democratic Party.
I would like to raise money, not for an individual’s campaign, but for a PR Campaign, sponsored by the County Democratic Party. And this campaign would be to simply buy ad space in all the local papers for the whole year, and have a year-long campaign simply highlighting what’s happening economically in the country.
Point out how real wages have been stagnant, even declining slightly since Reagan took office. Point out all the pitfalls of NAFTA. There are enough issues, we won’t have any problem going a whole year outlining all the ways the majority of us have been screwed by “free market fundamentalism” which has been forced on us since Reagan.
I don’t think we should mention specific political figures (with the exception of some ‘historical’ figures) but just outline the issues. And drive the point home every week for a whole year.
Maybe then, we’ll start to crack through the artificial reality so carefully constructed over the past 30 years by right-wing think-tanks etc.
If anyone else is interested in doing something similar in your own communities, I would love to collaborate with people all across the country.
Chris @ 68
Thank you. That’s very similar to what I just posted above. I think we should try to do this. Through press releases if possible, but paid advertising if necessary.
wow, post right on the money
that bit of marketing is plain genious, get people to believe they are voting for themselves when they vote for tax cuts, get them to believe one day they will reap the benefit even if they won’t enjoy that benefit
today
exactly, they think they are defending themselves when they defend these tax cuts
that’s what the democrats have to do, they have to point out that they will never ever see these tax cuts, they will never ever get that rich…and they have to make that point without looking like defeatists
to my way of thinking it depends on where you live…if i lived in say a southern town i’d be doing swell but here in NJ where rentals and other prices are off the chain i’m definitely in the economic lower class…
Whenever a politician uses “average” I figure he/she is hiding facts. Always use “median” so I know where the majority falls. Maybe we should start asking “the median” to candidates. Make them do serious research to understand what that means. What is the equal probability of falling above and below and what is the cause thereof.
Are bloggers going to be writing about the dead in Iran from an Israeli or US pre-emptive strike in 6 months? The right wing radicals are pushing hard.
September 27, 2007
An Opening Shot for War on Iran?
Why Did Israel Attack Syria?
By JONATHAN COOK
Nazareth
http://www.counterpunch.org/cook09272007.html
Excellent essay, Tula. We should be working this framing of the issues into more of our posts. E.g., the fight over health care, whether for children or others, can be cast as demanding that the privilege of being rich in a society that tolerates so much inequality comes at the price of paying for a major share of providing no hassle health care for all.
Instead, the Dems too often frame this as forcing the working class to buy the insurance coverage they need, or forcing companies to provide coverage to the otherwise uninsured working class — as though this is doing the latter a favor. That framing is self-defeating. The reason the Republicans don’t want single payer or the expansion of SCHIP is because it forces a restribution of wealth benefits from the very wealthy to the moderate to low income folks — essentially, the working class.
Thanks for the post.
perris @ 71
Perhaps reminding people that their children will never be in the top 1%, especially since the newest generation is not expected to do as well as their parents?
One obvious thing about the really wealthy: They simply assume the environment and context that they’ve created for themselves. That is, assume it to be “natural” and matter-of-fact. They “naturalize” their constructed environment.
QuakerGirl @ 63
And let’s not forget Dickens – the reason Oliver is “saved” is that he does not belong. The poor are poor because they are not “good” enough to be rich – Oliver had been born to someone from the rich class who made a horrible mistake, so even though he had to “pay” for his mother’s error and fall from grace, he eventually is saved by his grandfather because his “goodness” causes others to realize that he doesn’t belong to that class. In that world of that time, like in George Bush’s mind, if you were rich, you were automatically “good” (as well as smart enough to get yourself born into a family with the means to support you in the manner to which you would like to become accustomed).
Framing is crucial: For decades the Repugs have been framing on their own terms the issues to be debated in political and civil society.
Oh yes, Dickens. It’s all there.
Biodun @ 78
As in Richistan
new thread
scarecrow @ 76
Thanks, Scarecrow! A real compliment coming from you.
Tula;
Another thought provoking, sobering piece!
This is the age of the ‘Divine Right’ of money.
It has distinct similarities to notions prevalent during the time when the ‘Divine Right’ of Kings held sway.
Then as now, major institutions did not and would not challenge certain assumptions, that being detrimental to their well-being.
Our collective sense of power remains essentially medieval; our acceptance of rule by the 1% may be seen as evidence of that paradigm.
It was the rise of the ‘mercantile class’ which changed the King-based social structure.
Because they came to control the majority of ‘wealth,’ the merchants could force change.
Perhaps the ‘blogging class,’ by shaping the narratives of what our future ’should’ look like, compared to our present ‘lot’ may, through ‘mobilizing’ the ‘mandate,’ achieve a reordering of priorities.
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I think “ruling elite” might be a good term. “Capitalist” sounds like you’re a commie, and the righties think everybody’s a commie already. Besides, I run a small business and consider myself an “entrepreneur” and minor capitalist, if that is not a contradiction.
SufiLizard — either great minds think alike, or it’s so obvious that we *had* to come up with the idea…
allan_in_upstate @ 82
Yep…
I have to wonder what, if anything, will happen with Blackwater of the Dems capture the WH in ‘08.
Class is basically a question of power. So an industrial worker or city sanitation worker, at least those in unions who have exercised collective power, can have a higher income than a some professionals like an independent lawyer, or a small-business owner. But for the most part working class people have lower incomes and less wealth than middle class professionals, small business owners, or managers.
Class definitely has a cultural aspect, too. So people growing up in one class who come to live in another often carry with them preferences and values of their origins, or suffer through personal agonies as they experience the social pressures of their new class surroundings to shed old ways and habits of thought. This can happen as working class people go to college and become professionals, or as professionals lose their jobs or businesses and find themselves working in a working-class job.
Class is also established through social networks that knit individuals together who share economic circumstances, and tend to exclude from the network people from other classes who don’t “belong.”
yellowsnapdragon @ 51
BobbyG @ 20
Try the IRS Statistics of Income Bulletin. Should be available at http://www.irs.gov.
So sick of Ted Kennedy’s patented fake outrage…
Why are these people running the government?
tula-golly i wish i wouldn’t have missed this thread!!!!! haven’t read comments yet………
in 1975 i had a great sociology teacher who set the entire class straight about classes, on one of the first days of class…….
he passed out strips of paper and had all of us write which class we thought we were in…………almost everyone wrote upper-middle or upper except for me……he set us all straight that there was no such thing as upper-middle class and informed us we were all middle…..i got a huge brownie point for writing middle, i was his pet after that…….(my family had upper friends, in connecticut, and cape cod, i knew we weren’t, and my dad-who was a corporate accountant told me that people created the phrase upper-middle to disassociate themselves from working-class people, being ‘posers’, so i wrote middle…….and i have to say, i liked that a few people from my neighborhood in that class were taken down a notch)
he went on to describe upper, lower and middle……..his former fiance was upper, from philadelphia…..he blew the class away describing her life growing up and what was expected of her…..and that he decided he couldn’t live that way…..described his own upbringing as middle, and described what he learned working in the inner city as lower…..i had already worked in the hills of kentucky at a methodist work camp, henderson ky, so i had already seen lower……some of my fondest memories are from that time…….
later, i went on to work outside for the phone company…….i saw it all…….inside and outside people’s homes…in their basements, garages, kitchens, bedrooms, you name it…breakfast, lunch, dinner, late at night, good moods, bad moods…..everything you can imagine, i saw in people and their homes……..coming from a background where i was exposed to all walks of life, what i saw was that it would amaze you how much the same people are, really.
my family has a saying about money-money buys you experience…..once you get beyond the roof, clothes, food, money buys you experience, and that’s what separates the classes, life experiences………
This is a pretty good graph of income with percentile rankings
http://www.visualizingeconomic…..bution.gif
The problem is that one’s ability to interpret graphical information may, on average, decline with income…. so that those who most need to draw political implications from this information may be least likely to do so.
Of course real politics happens based not on facts like these, but on how people feel about their lives and income, which is very much a relative-to-the-neighbors, relative to the coworkers, relative to my life expectations sort of thing.
I don’t know why anyone uses “average,” “working class,” “common man,” anymore. Nobody would put themselves in those categories. You might as well call us “sheep” or “peasants.”
We are “individuals” as opposed to “corporations.”
Rush Limbaugh, Mitt Romney, and Bill Gates are essentially corporations. If they aren’t actually incorporated, they draw their wealth from corporate activity.
We are “individuals” and “families.” Tax cuts should go to “families and individuals.”
The American Revolution was a rebellion of individuals against a corporation, the British East India Company.
When speaking about tax policy or anything else, always use “families and individuals,” never “average,” “common” etc.