How badly are Republicans sweating the threatened Presidential veto of SCHIP when they send Sen. Orrin Hatch out to call bullshit flipping nonsense on the Bush Administration false claims about the legislation? From the WaPo:
Backers of the congressional bill, including conservative Republican Sens. Orrin G. Hatch (Utah) and Charles E. Grassley (Iowa), have said repeatedly that Bush is dead wrong about the $83,000 figure. Only New York has sought to cover children from families with incomes that high, and the administration turned down the request.
But both sides have dug in. Moderate Republicans openly fretted yesterday that the White House had made the House GOP its firewall, to their political detriment. “I’m a little baffled as to why the Bush people picked this issue to fight it out on,” said Rep. Ray LaHood (Ill.). “It’s very sensitive. It’s about kids. Who’s against kids’ health care?”
According to the vote in the House, a whole lot of Republicans – that’s who’s against kids’ health care. How’s that for a campaign visual going into 2008, and one that they are doing to themselves by continuing to take WH marching orders instead of thinking about the needs of their constituents.
I’m with PW — bring it up for a vote and then smack them upside the head with it until it knocks some sense into them. President Large Ego can drag all his pals along for the joy ride right out of office — or they can support health care for children (PDF) that makes both ethical and fiscal sense.
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Morning!
Christy!
Of course, given the Democrats’ complete inability to turn any political situation to their advantage, they will probably allow this bill to die a quet death — or give House and Senat Repubs an honorable out. Dumba$$es.
Gee, if the shub’ites can’t hear Hatch, they are really tone deaf.
First?
Go Christy!
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 4
maybe they can get Senator Craig to sing a few notes for them
It’s amazing that Republican Grassley gets this and our emasculated dems don’t.
Jonathan at 3 — Actually, on this bill thus far, they’ve been doing really well according to a number of groups who have been working this issue hard. Here’s hoping they keep it up!
So, some of the repubs finally noticed that the WH lies about this stuff? Cool!
And yes, before anyone asks, the LDS humor was intentional. *g*
Senator Charles E. Grassley, an Iowa Republican and a co-author of the bill, said the president’s charge was “factually incorrect.” The goal, Mr. Grassley said, is to sign up low-income youngsters who are already eligible but not enrolled in the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.
Some Republicans crossing over.
Thought Senator Lugar’s vote against the Kyl Lieberman amendment was more than interesting. Not much being said about his vote.
Hagel has acknowledged the insanity taking place in Iraq years ago…staying steadfast voted against the Kyl/Lieberman amendment
This whole thing just makes me sick… Arizona has been behind the 8 ball in SCHIP for years. The stupid Repug state legislature put a gag rule in place where schools could NOT tell families that they qualified for the program when applying for other services.
Just this year this rule was repealed, BUT that is when Bush applied that rule where those below poverty had to be 95% enrolled before states could enroll any above the poverty line.
Well you can guess it, AZ would then have to drop thousands of children from our Kids First program. Lovely bunch of family values.
Bush: If these childrens wanted health insurance, they shoulda had the good sense to be born wealthy…like I was.
This seems to be the dem’s signature political issue this term- would like to paint some vulnerable goopers as in favor of lettin kids die. They want a political victory- let’s see if they get it.
amazing how much trouble BOOsh is willing to go through to avoid having to veto.
Why?
Stalled in Senate? – TradMed says Dems weak
Veto? – TradMed says Dems strong.
Dems strong = Dems win
Of course Dems = Clueless
Badwater @ 14
That is the attitude
Forgive my ignorance, but does SCHIP cover dental care?
Hmmm another pol by Moveon:
Dear MoveOn member,
Schools here send the CHIP form to all families.
Elliott @ 18
Yes. In MN it does.
Elliott @ 17
Don’t think so. We have a ToothMobile that travels school to school for that.
There are going to be lots of ads aimed at the anti-children Republicans. This one is for Mitch McConnell.
Elliott @ 18
Not now, but the extension/expansion bill does. Also some mental health services. What they dropped out was coverage for childern of legal immigrants (demanded by Senate Repubs) and pregnant women, who are covered in some states that asked for that. It varies state by state.
“Goopers favor live feti and dead babi.”
Yep. Once out of the womb…
Katymine, I was reading some of the comments from TRex late night post last night, and I realized that I was unaware of your health problems. So sorry to hear about your problem, and so glad that you got some good new, re: chemo. Hope you make the speediest recovery!
Scarecrow @ 23
ooo Ouch!
rwcole @ 15
What is amazing to me are the Dems that voted against it. The Dan Boren’s and Gene Taylor’s. I know my Rep(sadly, a Rethuglican) voted against it. I hope the DCCC has the good sense of running ads calling him a heartless bastard or the same only in cleaned up language(after all .. the Rethuglicans would do that to us).
I lost my job and health insurance for my entire family. At end of July my husband who was bi polar killed himself. I am paying for private insurance for both my daughter and myself as my daughter is not eligible for chip here in Pa. I am not destitute enough..
What is wrong with these people? I wish I could get through to these people and the retard in the white house and give them a piece of my mind.
Lee
The stalwart, self-reliant President Bush (and Republicans in general) of late:
“Federalized” health care coverage for poor children: BAD!
Lifetime platinum-plated comprehensive free “federalized” health care coverage for the President and and Congress: GOOD!
Scarecrow @ 23
Tell them to run it in PA-6. We need to get of the Rethuglican in my district(and he voted against kids too).
Arghhh! I’m STILL waiting for Utah to apologize to me for foisting that twit on us for the last umpteen years (that dude is a FOSSIL) and first thing I see this morning is his smarmy photo?
Christy, I need more coffee ‘fore I can deal with that!
Even if he is on the flipping good side this time.
(((((((Lee)))))))
Bipolar here. My heart goes out to you my dear.
Has anyone mentioned that a 10% windfall tax on the PROFITS of the oil companies would easily pay for the 25 Billion dollar SCHIP program? I think common folks can relate to a message like this. Bush lets his oil buddies rake in over 250 billion dollars a year in profits but wants children to die from diseases because of the principles of it.
Y’see, the problem in this country, according to Hoover Institute types, is that we are overinsured.
Makes us poor “consumers.”
Elliott:
SCHIP:
leinie at 32 — I knew you’d get a kick out of the “flipping” humor. *g*
Heya Christy!
The whole thing about the strategy is that it’s what Charles Grassley himself has suggested be done. And it’s not unethical in the least — Grassley, of all the current Republicans, is one of the most ethical around.
Lee — Hugs, hon.
((((Lee))))
Scarecrow @ 23
Let’s be accurate. They are anti-born-children. Snowflake babies still have a special place in their hearts.
Lee I am sorry for your loss.
The sad part of our wingy Repugs here is that they keep going to the immigrants are all on the public dole but cannot cite ONE case where a person who could not establish citizenship were receiving services they were not entitled to receive.
The part that drives me nuts when they try to legislate the denial of services for undocumented persons is the alternative. Do you want people dying in the streets? Is that what they want, the finding of dead bodies like in Baghdad?
It is the 2007 version of the black caddie welfare Mom…
Orin always looks like he just smelled something awful to me. Maybe he did.
TexBetsy @ 43
Ditto that hugely.
thanks for the answers and details about dental care.
I was thinking of that young boy who died from an abscessed tooth not so long ago.
{{{{{Lee!}}}}} so sad. Good luck!
Sonoma Rus @ 45
Somebody over-cooked the jello?
BTW, jello jokes are LDS-approved LDS jokes.
Lee:
My deepest sympathies…
Have you seen this clip of Bill Clinton ripping those ripping Move On add. Worth the watch
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..moveon-ad/
Maybe it might be wiser to ‘invest’ in people like Lee than in politicos like Hillary?
Just a thought.
Bush and his ruling clique won’t be happy until we are a nation of Lords and pool-boys.
-GSD
Thanks…
I think I will be alright but those politicians who are about to vote No to SCHIP could give a shit about me. And the people who would be covered by the expansion have no voice..It really pisses
me off
Ed*ard Teller @ 49
Q: How many Mormons should you take fishing with you?
A: At least two. If you only take one, he’ll drink all of your beer.
GSD @ 53
His Serene Excellency el Presidente Jorge W. Somoza.
BobbyG @ 55
I never knew that mormon jokes would be funny!
katymine @ 44
Well, my conclusion is that they want the hospitals and clinics and doctors and other health care practitioners to absorb the costs.
OT & OMFG: Per HuffPo:
Some national figure finally gets it! But if it had been a Democrat, he/she would have been accused of giving aid and comfort to the enemy … treason.
BobbyG @ 56
Deep down that is his fantasy.
-GSD
Badwater @ 57
The beer joke I get – but not the one about the jello. Unless jello is a basic mormon food group.
Elliott:
Check your Facebook…*g*
wigwam @ 59
And, like the British then, we have “King George” here now.
Kathleen @ 51
The Clenis is an odd case, smart as hell, tough as hell, and yet infuriating as hell. I was thinking about this in relation to the discussion on weak-kneed Dems just below. I think Clinton accepted that the country is and for at least a generation has been essentially run by the rich, and that if you are going to get even the slightest good done, the Dems have to carve off the more liberal side of that wealthy group that controls most of what happens. So the question is: is it us who are in denial because we still think we have a role to play in how our country is governed?
I put this question in all seriousness, because it seems to go to the heart of the difference between the DC Democratic establishment and us Progressives. Here’s the frightening part. The Clinton’s might be right. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep fighting. It just means we shouldn’t expect to win. At least some honour is saved by fighting back.
Speaking of callous, unfeeling aristocrats.
Barbara Bush may have to make a new purchase.
-GSD
Thanks WigWam.
Uh, Ray, maybe because the Bush people think that loyalty is a one-way street.
And you’re just political cannon fodder.
Fern @ 61
EVERYTHING is a basic Mormon food group. Utah has the finest state-level health care system in the country. Why? Because they eat themselves into obese oblivion. Obsessed with “sustenance.” That hardscrabble outcast pioneer heritage.
Q: How does a BYU coed take a bath?
A: She fills up the tub, then turns the water on.
(((((((Lee and daughter)))))))
The Lake will help you retain perspective and stay balanced in troubled times, please keep coming back.
Thanks for the update on this Christy.
All that I can think of right now is Mark 10:14
“Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.”
Oh, the words that can be written now about Reps…
Prez better not put his Christian Right hat on today. We have storms here…I think DC does too. He might get struck by lightening for his stance SCHIP.
RevDeb…there is a great sermon waiting in terms of the Bush policy on SCHIP…
{{{Lee}}}, I echo the sentiments above. Sincere condolences.
I just sent an e-mail to the DSCC, from whom I just received a request for money. It is hard to find how to contact them from the web site.
I suggested some talking points. . .as if that would do any good.
I was stunned to watch that pathetic woman Rep. from TN (I think) the other night on Schuster. . .she kept to their talking points no matter what he said.
Why can’t we just TRY that? Puhhhleeze???
BobbyG @ 55
LOL..my husband went to college at Weber State in Utah and he said that every day, the little old LDS ladies would stand outside the State Stores and “take names” to give to the local Bishops.
GSD @ 65
No way.
The Judith will beat her to it.
Surprised that more attention was not given to the fact that Republican Senator Lugar voted against the Kyl/Lieberman amendment
Nays
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)
On another topic, namely human rights and democracy (or the same topic, but in another country):
More people were shot today in Burma, after people turned out in large demonstrations despite decrees banning any gatherings of more than 5 people. Overnight, soldiers entered various monasteries and beat and arrested monks, to discourage them from protesting today.
And from the AP:
For detailed reporting, three blogs have running commentaries.
First is the website of an exile group in India, Mizzima.com.
It is worthwhile clicking on that link and then saving it as a “favorite” to be able to return to it.
The Guardian’s news blog for today has a running commentary that reports what is found on other blogs, plus other news.
Another blog of events is at Irrawaddy.org, the website of an exile group in Thailand. It also has many pictures. Sometimes the traffic to this site is so heavy that it cannot be reached.
An LA Times/AP article discusses the role that the Internet, cell phones, and satellite phones are playing.
Fern @ 61
Fern, I haven’t read the whole boring thing, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find jello in the Book of Mormon. They sure do love them some “jello salad.” It’s kindof a staple for them. (Full disclosure – raised as a Mormon, most of the family still is.)
GSD @ 60
Getting really close
I think we all know who is against kids health care. The folks that don’t have a care in the world.
Good Morning Christy, Pups.
Before the House SCHIP vote, I sent the following to our R House member, not expecting anything, just because. He’s a herd animal, near retirement.
and then later, since my repubble Ccritter stunned me by actually voting FOR SCHIP:
Yeah. try to shame them into it, but also scare the pants off ‘em, if necessary.
Just don’t give up on them, because SCHIP did pass, after all, and will return if vetoed.
Keep those Ccritters on the griddle unless and until the bill’s totally dead. Please don’t quit now.
Kathleen @ 51
So if he (Bill) gets it, why doesn’t his wife? Why give credence to the feigned outrage by sanctioning the ad? Boxer’s ad still gave aid and comfort to the enemy, AFAIC. They needed to clearly state that as long as there is free political speech in this country, the congress has no business meddling, and as long as someone is allowing himself to be used as an administration mouthpiece, he better be aware that he has made himself fair game, with or without a uniform.
TexBetsy @ 66
You welcome. And I just notice that this analogy makes the Iranians into the French for supporting the insurgents. But then they only support the Shiite insurgents. The Sunni insurgents are the true insurgents. and now we support them against the Iraqi government, per our presidents recent address to the nation, is an ally of the United States. And per his VFW speech a couple weeks ago, the core objective our mission in Iraq is the establishement of an Iraq government that is an ally of the U.S. and can protect its people from the insurgents, who are being trained and armed and paid by us and the Iranians. Or something like that.
Knut Wicksell @ 64
Polls report only 11% of the American public has any faith left in congress….And it is apparent congress does not give a damn.
redx at 78 — I think that’s an awfully sweeping an inaccurate generalization — there are a lot of folks who do ver well for themselves who are working very hard on healthcare issues for the poor and the at risk. It’s more accurate to say that the folks who aren’t worried are the self-absorbed, unaware and moronicly in their own bubble.
Lee @ 54
Please stay in touch. That is heartbreaking news.
Biodun @ 62
Hmmm…
Knut Wicksell @ 64
Very thoughtful anaysis. Like a number of things it could use some discussion or debate,
probably a drive-by already, though. But, please keep putting up such insights, they are actually appreciated.
Kathleen @ 74:
Lugar voted against it, but Bayh voted for it. Word has it that he’s positioning himself to be Hillary’s VP.
Lee @ 54
Yep, no lobbyists for you. You couldn’t afford their services, and so many in DC are for sale to the highest bidder.
Ann in AZ at 80 — I have to say, Mr. ReddHedd and I frequently disagree on politics and tactics. And anyone who knows us knows better than to expect us to think or act in lockstep. The Clintons have their own minds, and teir own motivations — but I don’t exactly expect lockstep agreement from them either. *g*
“No way.
The Judith will beat her to it.”
when the purse called the plunger, wasn’t she in London…perhaps inspecting the pearls?
leinie @ 76
Couldn’t gelatin be viewed as beef, reduced to its lowest common denominator? or is it dominator in or.in’s case?
Lee,
Hugs to you, your daughter, and prayers for you. These people want policy to matter first, before people’s lives or health. They have hearts of stone.
{{{{{{lee, katymine}}}}}}
Sending thoughts and prayers your way. I will fight harder and make more of a pest of myself for health care.
allan_in_upstate @ 67
Ray is my rep. He tries hard to appear like he has a heart, but deep down inside he’s just another Jorge W. Somoza-lover. sigh
Biodun @ 87
I though Wes Clark wanted that job.
Elliott @ 95
Future Secretary of Defense Wesley Clark
If you get a chance, swing over to Juan Cole, he has some of the Bush/Aznar transcripts.
Bush is a lunatic. A fucking bloody lunatic.
America is being run by a feeble minded Caligula leader who believes his will alters the facts.
-GSD
A little OT but cute – Mormon baby names (the site is by a Mormon with an excellent sense of humor)
Lee @ 30
Lee, I am sorry to read of your loss and your family’s plight.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 90
She was about to get on a plane at Heathrow, flying back the US. That’s why she supposedly called him, to say that she was about to be airborne heading home to dear hubby…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 89
Christy – I also think that for Bill, it’s a lot easier for him to behave in a global “statesmanlike” way – he’s out of the fray. I’m not making any excuses for Hillary – she’s infuriating and strategic, but I think it was easier for him to do. Also – anyone have an answer as to why his voice is so hoarse?
Adie @ 79
Bless you, Adie. Fantastic letter.
Holy Crap: Fed adds total $38 bln reserves on Thurs via repos
http://www.reuters.com/article…..927?rpc=44
I wondered why since the DOW was high @13,880.00
Here’s the reason, the housing tsunami report:U.S. New-Home Sales Drop, Prices Fall Most Since 1970 (Update2)
Sales of new homes in the U.S. dropped more than forecast in August and prices plunged by the most since 1970, pointing to a worsening housing recession that spells more cutbacks in construction.
Purchases declined 8.3 percent to an annual pace of 795,000, the lowest level in more than seven years, from a revised 867,000 rate in July, the Commerce Department said today in Washington
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..refer=home
The Fed is desperately propping up the
stockmarketinvestment and commercial bankers. Greenspan owns this drowning baby. If only the Glass-Steagall Act (GSA) hadn’t been repealed…GSD @ 97
oh yeah, that’s a must read. Madman.
IMPEACH
Toby at 101 — Remembering back to the Clinton years, I think he has awful allergies and, as I recall, this time of year was always particularly strained for press conferences and his voice. (Why yes, I have always been a political junkie, with a penchant for obscure detail, why do you ask? *g*)
Elliott @ 95
They both want the job. As you know, you have to justle for that nomination. And there have have been a few who have shamelessly jockeyed for it in the past. I won’t name names…
kdh22 @ 96
Wes Clark has one of these jobs and deserves it.
Stop Iran War Petition
http://www.stopiranwar.com/
Ann in AZ @ 58 – you are right, I manage a family practice & for families with no insurance we discount our service by 20%, even then they usually can’t pay in full & have to make pmts. Once they are out our door, we can forget about getting paid.
RockPaperScizzors @ 103
Makes ya wonder how much longer and how much more, doesn’t it?
My husband, for the first time in 25 years, did not make enough money through last year SAG to keep our health insurance – now instead of $150 a quarter, it’s $700 a month. We’re living on money from our house, through a horrible loan that we were assured we could get out of and into a better one if we made our payments on time for a year – guess when the sub-prime mortgage market collapsed?
The problem with being poor?
It costs too damn much. I can’t afford it.
Margot. I don’t know about that, but thanks.
This is war for our kids, ALL the kids and ALL the families who are being short-changed by this heartless administration.
We just can’t give up.
Kathleen @ 107
Forgive me if I don’t jump on the Wes Clark bandwagon.
Alicia @ 109
((Alicia))
This system sucks big time.
Toby @ 101:
Also, the Big Dawg has been speaking a lot preparing for his Global Initiative Conference, where he will be reunited with a (perhaps) Nobel Peace Prizewinner…
Kathleen @ 82
I’m not among them.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 105
Love it!!
I just read over on thinkprogress that 44% NH voters are Independents and 35% Nation wide are Independents. So when will CNN do a Presidential debate for Independent candiates?
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..moveon-ad/
I though Wes Clark wanted that job.
That’s how I read Clark’s recent media appearances where he retailed all the A*P*C talking points vis a vis Iran. You may remember Gen. Clark got into a bit of trouble a while ago where he said that fearing the loss of the “new york money” was the reason democrats weren’t more aggressive in opposing the war. My guess is Hillary has asked him to run with her, provided he can make it right with the new york money.
Q: How can you tell if you’re at a Mormon wedding?
A: The bride’s not pregnant, but her mother is.
Told to me by an LDS friend.
Diane @ 107
The problem here in AZ is that the MD offices are asking for insurance info up front and some offices are NOT taking patients without.
Ann in AZ will remember that big case where a 13 yr old hispanic girl died from a ruptured appendix because none of the MD offices would see the child. By the time she was seen in the ER, her case was so advanced and it was too late to save her life.
Would sure hate to see what Iraq would look like if the Bush administration were not trying to win the Iraqi peoples “hearts and minds”. What a tragedy!
Dozens die in car bombings as Iraqi violence surges
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/20000.html
OT.
For what it’s worth, this is the reply I sent to today’s DSCC fund raising letter.
Not that I expect a human to read it.
Biodun @ 114
I thought the Gores and Clintons haven’t been speaking to each other lately.
Knut Wicksell @ 64
I think this is a point very well taken. I agree that when one is president, they have to be president of all the people, and not everyone is as generous as we. You forever hear about fierce, almost to the point of devastation, personal responsibility. Some folks would starve rather than ask for assistance, and they expect others to do the same. I know people who have no clue why our tax $ should go to help flood victims. They don’t we have any obligations to people who have abruptly lost everything through no fault of their own. Period.
Sometimes we may need to be more flexible and give in to some things that the other side wants. OTOH, there is a serious difference between the art of compromise and complete capitulation. I would like to see less of the latter.
Biodun @ 106
“shamelessly” – must be thinking of HoJo.
Tithonia @ 119
Q: Why do Mormon women stop having children at 35?
A: Because 36 are just too many.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 105
While we’re on the subject of obscure details, heh, I think Sen. Sherrod Brown also has awful allergies. He has always had a very hoarse voice. But apparently it’s not sickness, because he always has had boundless energy, gravelly voice or no. He’s working closely with Kennedy now – should be a powerful combo. ;->
TexBetsy @ 113
Thanks, Betsy. It sure does. That’s why I’m so happy to be here with people who are trying their best to change it.
Tithonia @ 118
Old Jewish joke —
Orthodox wedding = pregnant mother of the bride
Conservative wedding = pregnant bride
Reform wedding = pregnant rabbi
(except that conservative now has women rabbis as well)
All right, gang:
Mormon Jokes here.
Ed*ard Teller @ 123
Perhaps. But Gore will be in NYC for that conference.
I think one mistake many Democratic pols make is atomizing these issues. That is looking at each issue in splendid isolation. They need to knit them together.
Politics is about priorities. It should be pointed out that money spent in Iraq isn’t available for health care or infra-structure repair. Synergies can create political landslides.
David Olsen @ 118
thanks, I didn’t hear that one.
Kathleen @ 121
old gold @ 131
ding!
Gates wants another $190 billion for this year’s war. SCHIP supporters want an additional $50 billion for FIVE YEARS!
But, the latter is excessive.
Will there be any comment on Mayfield Case today?
Adie has a great point that not authorizing SCHIP puts children and the whole public at risk. When you have a large segment of the population that do not have immunizations and they are in our public school system.
Think of the childhood diseases that have been irradiated and are just not seen any more. Whooping cough, diphtheria, polio, even chicken pox now are things of the distant past.
America is a community based society and when part of our community is NOT protected, then we are all are risk.
A little good news, via TPM:
Federal Judge Rules That 2 Provisions of Patriot Act Violate Fourth Amendment
On a possible Hillary-Wes Clark ticket:
Won’t that be too stacked? AR? She may be from IL and be the senator from NY, but she will always be associated with AR for obvious reasons…
BobbyG @ 136
The logic!
katymine @ 137
Most of those children are not allowed into school until they can show their immunizations.
MayDaze @ 139
Scurrilous Activist Judge.
They’ll just ignore the ruling.
KLynn @ 137:
You got it @ 139.
TexBetsy @ 141
I forgot that one… so now that is how they are going to destroy the public school system. Kids cannot get in due to lack of immunizations, enrollment down, need to close schools AND now we have a whole segment of the population with no education.
Gee this keeps getting better and better doesn’t it?
allan_in_upstate @ 122
Very eloquent. I wish I’d thot of that. I did have the same reaction, though, to the e-mail version. I checked the box asking to be removed from the DCCC mailing list. Just couldn’t help it. My hand moved all by itself as I watched in shock, utter shock! *g*
David Olsen @ 118
Ah ha!!! Thank you. I wondered why Clark suddenly started talking crazy. He started doing copius mea-culpas at a time when everything he had claimed was already in the open media, particularly the New York Post — see http://ezraklein.typepad.com/b…..ugh_t.html
When you look back at when the odious Tom DeLay was in charge, he beat the hell out of his fellow House members to get them to vote in line – either by rewarding compliant voters through PAC money or K Street influence, or threatening to support an opponent to their seat if they didn’t play ball. Plus, he just plain wouldn’t allow legislation to get to the floor if he didn’t like it.
That’s not our way – but how do we coalesce without becoming like them? We need some kind of will to power.
MayDaze @ 139
The best part about the Mayfield Case comes under the statements on FISA by the judge…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 83
Or they are the ones who simply A) swallow the line that the government has no role in ensuring the distribution of social benefits or B) see the role of government to be ensuring they maintain their position of privilege. Lots of poor and middle class fall into group A and they are used by those in group B.
where/what is Selise’s site about the schedule of congressional hearings?
You guys hold down the fort…. I am off to my MD appointment of the day…. Cardiac clearance for surgery…. OH joy, EKG time.
Thanks for all the hugs, you guys are the best!
{{{{{{{{{{{{FDL}}}}}}}}}}
As to the question of why Bill C. “gets it” while Hill doesn’t, on the move-on thing, she absolutely gets it. They all do. Hill and Bill work this play all the time, e.g, Hillary donating to Lamont and then Bill stumping for Lieberman.
The holy grail for the democrats is nothing more or less than to get the first place in line to slob the knob of the military industrial complex. Otherwise, why did those piece of crap bills even come to the floor?
OT
There’s a time change to the hearing today of the Senate Judiciary committee which I thought some of you might be interested in:
NOTICE OF SUBCOMMITTEE HEARING
TIME CHANGE TO 2:30 p.m.
The Senate Committee on the Judiciary has scheduled a hearing before the Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights on
“An Examination of the Google-DoubleClick Merger and the Online Advertising Industry: What Are the Risks for Competition and Privacy?”
for Thursday, September 27, 2007 in Room 226 of the Senate Dirksen Office Building at 2:30 p.m. rather than the previously scheduled time of 2:00p.m.
Chairman Kohl will preside.
By order of the Chairman
Updated Witness List
Hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights on
“An Examination of the Google-DoubleClick Merger and the Online Advertising Industry: What Are the Risks for Competition and Privacy?”
Thursday, September 27, 2007
Dirksen Senate Office Building Room 226
2:30 p.m.
David Drummond
Senior Vice President, Corporate
Development and Chief Legal Officer
Google
Mountain View, CA
Brad Smith
Senior Vice President and General Counsel
Microsoft
Redmond, WA
Dr. Thomas Lenard
Senior Fellow
The Progress and Freedom Foundation
Washington, DC
Scott Cleland
President
Precursor LLC
McLean, VA
Marc Rotenberg
Executive Director
Electronic Privacy Information Center
Washington, DC
katymine @ 145
I remember some immunizations being given at school – especially lining up for the polio vaccine.
TexBetsy @ 135
Why be shy? Link children’s health care to Homeland Security!?!
Please see my #79. ;->
katymine:
Good luck!
OT – holy shit! Lieberman just voted *with* the Democrats on Kennedy’s Hate Crime Amendment!!!
Lookin’ like this one’s gonna be close…
60-39 – Amendment makes it through!
Fern @ 154
Depends on the district. Here we have many free vaccine clinics.
Adie @ 156
You do not have to link…It is Homeland Security
BobbyG @ 143
Well, looks like they will (for a while, anyway). From the article:
The ruling probably won’t have any immediate affect on enforcement under the Patriot Act, according to legal experts who predicted the government would quickly appeal.
Although I like this part:
“But it’s an important first step,” said Jameel Jaffer, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s national security project.
Jaffer noted that the Patriot Act carries dozens of provisions and that several have been challenged _ but that this is one of the first major rulings on Fourth Amendment rights.
“This is as clear a violation of the Fourth Amendment as you’ll ever find,” Jaffer said.
KLynn @ 149
More (somewhat) good news. Verizon reversed that decision to block NARAL. Said it was a mistake. I was ready to dump VW, but that’s not even possible with the penalties I’d have to pay.
allan_in_upstate @ 122
I’m boycotting both DSCC and DCCC but they are raking in big bucks. Between the two they have outraised the respective reThug committees by $45M
katymine 137 “irradiated” = eradicated?
Elliott:
That’s quite a netizen big-wig list at that hearing…
David Olsen @ 153
DING!
They run the ‘good cop, bad cop’ routine incessantly. Their political situation (Bill having been Pres. and Hill trying to be Pres.)is the perfect platform.
TexBetsy @ 151
right here
and if you click on her name when she posts a comment
MayDaze @ 139
Won’t the Bush Toady Supreme Court eventually reverse this?
Fern @ 154
This was in the day when America had a public health system. Where communities had their own doctors and nurses to monitor the health status, health issues & events AND provide immunization clinics. The Polio clinics in schools was financed by the Feds as a nationwide campaign which moved Polio from the greatest fear in a mothers heart to a little known disease.
(((((katymine)))))
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 29
From what I can tell, the DCCC is more intersted in beating progressives in the primaries than in beating republicans in the generals. They are extremely reactionary, and were extremely unsuccessful in 2006.
Adie @ 163
You are right…. I do not have edit anymore since I signed up with facebook. Any reason why not?
KLynn @ 160
Thanks. I get that part, but our Congresscritters seem to need a little extra tutoring, hence the need for a blatant, in-their-faces, link. *g*
Alicia @ 148
I think the Democrats need exactly that kind of leader in the house and senate. Reid and Pelosi are giving away the farm. Hopefully they will play this SCHIP card correctly. It looks like the Repugs are taking the bait. But Pelosi and Reid could f**K up a wet dr*am.
That picture of the sanctimonious pearl clutching sourpuss is a bad mormon joke.
Lieberman-Kyl vs. the Evidence
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..66020.html
Posted September 26, 2007
Excellent!
Jerry Garcia got it right a long time ago. (Before spell check)
Ship of Fools (youtube)
Biodun @ 165
I know!
Google knows everything about me.
jayt @ 158
Is this how he pays back the Dems for that Iran nonsense?
katymine @ 172
Facebook has nothing to do with that… I have the F-thingy and still have edit…
katymine @ 169
Check out my comments @ Morning Cuppa #100
I shared about my experience with a rabies exposure and where Public Health is today…
Badwater @ 167
You may be right, but they’ll at least have to take a creative writing course first.
katymine @ 172
I’m Windows using Firefox and I didn’t lose my edit function, katymine
Really something that Ari Fleisher and David Wurmser still working the streets when both of them should be in prison for outing Plame
Wurmser pops back up. This at Think Progress
Wurmser: Cheney ‘does not traffic in insubordination.’
In a magazine story this week, Newsweek reported that a former Cheney national security aide, David Wurmser, had said that the Vice President was “mulling the idea of pushing” for limited airstrikes against Iranian nuclear facilities “in order to provoke Iran into lashing out.” Wurmser, who rarely speaks to the press and has since resigned from Cheney’s office, told the New York Sun that he is being falsely accused. His explanation? Cheney would never let him say such a thing openly:
When asked about the Newsweek story, Mr. Wurmser said, “That conspiracy is unrecognizable to anything I have ever seen or heard or done. The vice president simply does not traffic in insubordination.“
WTF… Wurmser one of the architects for the invasion of Iraq, part of the out Plame team, and investigated for passing classified intelligence to Israel.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._1019.html
Wurmser should be in prison.
katymine @ 172
I don’t have it either, even tho not in facebook. All I know to do is double-post (annoying!) or ask mods to fix (no doubt annoying to them).
I.Miss.Edit. FDLgadget-designers, and i think i have company, hint. hint. *g*
Adie @ 183
On the mac, we have it in safari but not in firefox.
I have edit, but only for a limited time after posting. And I just edited this comment. On a Mac, on Firefox
Biodun @ 179
wow Biodun – great news. I’ve read here that the blue f trumps teh edit fxn…so glad that isn’t the case.
but….now that I know it’s possible, how do I tell my browser?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..65984.html
gary hart snarks about iran on huffington post
((((lee and family))))
kirk murphy @ 187
Which browser do you have? I have IE.
Alicia @ 186
Alicia – do you mean the “Edit” button dims after a little bit of time, or that it declines to edit after same?
Thanks
MayDaze @ 161
Until a John Roberts Supreme Court tells him otherwise, His Serene Excellency Jorge W. Bu’ush will simply continue to do as He pleases.
newtonusr @ 190
The Edit function declines to edit about 5 minutes after you post…
Kathleen @ 183
So it must be fear that keeps Decider on message at all time….that and self sedation.
I lost edit when I started participating as a logged in user.
BobbyG @ 190
And impeachment is off the table!
(Going to go bang head against wall. Back soon.)
dmac @ 188
good advice for Iran, don’t take the bait
BobbyG @ 31 The stalwart, self-reliant President Bush (and Republicans in general) of late:
“Federalized” health care coverage for poor children: BAD!
Lifetime platinum-plated comprehensive free “federalized” health care coverage for the President and and Congress: GOOD!
Bobby: would you consider sending those two sentences to MoveOn.Org. The look like excellent copy for an ad campaign. Skeptic
katymine @ 138
Eradicated may be the word you’re reaching for…
BTW, “Whooping cough” is on the rise, as some parents are avoiding having their children immunized. (Vaccine in this case would be T-DAP.)
TB is making a return as well, mostly because the carriers are not getting/cannot afford treatment.
OT — Anybody see Ed*ard Teller, please tell him I need to exchange emails with him. Thanks!!
And on topic: phew, very, VERY bad when they have to send Orrin to spank the White House. Almost like seeing the First Horseman of the Apocalypse in the distance…
Alicia @ 186
I think that’s the normal way it used to be for all. 5-min-window of time to edit, iirc.
I have Windows with Firefox, and all I can do is “Quote This Comment” which gives no opportunity to remove the previous one – so there’s always a double-post if I change anything.
Weeks (months?)ago, when a number of changes were made at FDL, the “Quote This Comment” function quickly offered the alternative, “Edit” when you clicked on it. Not any more, at least in this house. Even with “Preview”, I miss my “Edit”. It was a beautiful “Edit”. Everyone had an “Edit”. i wish i had an “Edit”. *sniffle*
gary hart snarks about iran on huffington post
That wasn’t all that funny Sen. Hart. Piece of advice for you, Gar: don’t quit your think tank day job and take up comedy any time soon.
Hi Biodun -
I use firefox (mac OS 10.4.8).
Looks like the fox works for Alicia – I wonder why it won’t show the edit fxn here….
but I have hope it can.
Elliott @ 177
Enjoy those targeted advertisements, Elliot? They put that data to good use, if they obtain Double Click, they’ll be deadly. Talk about impulse buying…
katymine @ 120
I do indeed. OTOH, AZ is luckier than many states in regard to how Medicaid works. About a month after I applied for disability, I wound up in the ER, thinking flu symptoms on top of COPD. It turned out that I had had a heart attack, and needed quadruple bypass surgery. I had no income but was on a form of medicaid from a previous illness at the time, so the hospital did the procedures, I was in the hospital from Feb. 27-Mar. 9, the first 4 days in ICU. The bill for the hospital alone was in six figures. The government insurance covered all prescription medication as well as oxygen.
Shortly after I received my first Disability check, the insurance was up for renewal, and I was cut off because my disability allotment of not quite $1,300 was over income. My drugs cost over $800/mo, my house over $700 and utilities run almost $400. But they go by gross income, not net of anything. Needless to say, I could not afford drugs, but fortunately, I got sick again, so I received another six months of insurance before I had to go for a year without healthcare while I waited for Medicare to kick in. I was told by the people in charge that there use to be a program that would have allowed people like me to pay a small amount, like $35/mo to maintain necessary insurance when their income is as low as mine, but the federal legislature cut that program a few years ago. I still fall into the donut hole every year, and I still have some serious problems with copays of $35/visit to each of two specialists and $39/copays for each of 4 medications, but it’s better than nothing. I need to ask my family to help with the cost of tooth extractions. And I don’t see any improvement coming in the future. But as I said, it’s better than nothing. And I also have the knowledge that if anything too bad happened, a trip to the emergency room for instance, the state would likely pick up the slack if the bill is over $5K. So I just make sure that the bill reaches $5K (this isn’t rocket science!)
Do you try to edit immediately after posting? That’s when I see the edit link. It doesn’t work after a minute or so.
Christy’s recounting modern fables upstairs, gang.
Ed*ard Teller! ED*ARD TELLLLERRRRR!
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO ED!
WOOT WOOT WOOT
See Rayne at #199!
the function we don’t have anymore that i miss the most is the ‘recent posts’ menu…….made it much easier for people on dialup to check back on comments on previous posts………now, i don’t so much……..takes too long, too much hassle.
TexBetsy @ 195
Oh puleeze don’t do that. You’ll hurt yerself, and we need ya. Here ya’go! No charge. ;->
*hands basket of rotten tomatoes thru toobz*
dmac @ 208
I miss that too.
Alicia @ 205
yep. it just doesn’t seem to appear at all. months ago when it did work, yes, it was fleeting, but that was fine. humph!
thanks for trying to help ;->
Biodun @ 106
justle… fantastic word! Hustle and jostle…
KLynn @ 160
So is having a clean environment. Don’t get me started, heh. I couldn’t agree with you more.
realworld @ 194
Okayyyy. Where do you log in? I don’t THINK i do that, unless you’re counting the blanks to fill in just above the box for writing a comment.
I double checked just now, and I am not presented with an “Edit” function at any time when posted, even immediately after clicking on Submit Comment.
Let’s not forget that eight House Dems voted against the SCHIP re-authorization.
When this is all over, they have to pay.
John Edwards, Wednesday night, when he was asked about getting all of the troops out by the end of his putative first term:
“I cannot make that committment.”
Thank you, John, for you candor. (And george bush and the GOP thank you for caving to them.)
Alas, John, for my part, I hardly knew ye, and BTW: Fuck you in your non-committal ass.
Hillary gets a point for candor, too:
“It’s very difficult to know what we’re going to be inheriting…”
as she signals her willingness to “inherit” the clusterfuck, rather than insist bush and the GOP take responsibilty for creating it. (Which would be rather difficult, I’ll admit, since she still won’t say that her vote to authorize it, was a mistake.)
Obama just vouchsafed the observation that:
“It’s hard to project 4 years from now.”
Why certainly, Barak! Let’s not be hasty. In testimony to their acceptance of the spirit of entrepreneurism embodied by KBR and their “contractors”, there could be Shiite militiamen standing on streetcorners in Basra hawking DVD’s of Britney Spears’ comeback attempts.
And if YOU, or Hil, or John, CAN stabilize things, then just think, Bechtel could come back in for the rest of those millions in the contracts that they bailed on because 52 of their employees had been killed.
Christ, let’s make room on Mt. Rushmore right now, for one of these statespersons.
Gag…hurl…
Should a personification of PERFIDITY be required, this one above meets all requirements