A modern political fable, as told by reader john of sacramento:
I’ve got a story for the Vichy-Dems.
The Hat Seller and the Monkees
I heard this tale in India. A hat seller, on waking from a nap under a tree, found that a group of monkeys had taken all his hats to the top of the tree. In exasperation he took off his own hat and flung it to the ground. The monkeys, known for their imitative urge, hurled down the hats, which the hat seller promptly collected.
Half a century later his grandson, also a hat seller, set down his wares under the same tree for a nap. On waking, he was dismayed to discover that monkeys had taken all his hats to the treetop. Then he remembered his grandfather’s story, so he threw his own hat to the ground. But, mysteriously, none of the monkeys threw any hats, and only one monkey came down. It took the hat on the ground firmly in hand, walked up to the hat seller, gave him a slap and said, “You think only you have a grandfather?”
They took our money, our work, and our votes which gave them a win, and they’ve since treated us with disdain. Keep it up and they’ll find that they’re standing all alone with no help and no hats.
The moral of the story: You want my vote? My phone banking time? My door knocking abilities? My knowledge of my community — and that of every person who reads here or any other online blog or for any other progressive political group? You earn it. Every damn day.
You can start with restoration of the rule of law, checks and balances and a commitment to the Constitution. With a more intelligent and long-reaching foreign policy strategy that doesn’t include the word “yeehaw!” With work — real work — on domestic policy, including strengthening our crumbling infrastructure and schools, tackling poverty and taking a long, hard look at how we care for at risk children. Oh, commitment to honesty and rebuilding in the Gulf Coast would be a nice start, too. Add in better care for our nation’s soldiers and their families — real mental health services for soldiers and families in need, and adequate care for the families left at home who are barely getting by right now on food stamps and prayer. And that’s just for starters.
There is a lot of work to be done. And the American public deserves far more than a wholesale stall and whine tactic from the Grand Obstruction Party — we need solid leadership, and we need it now. Being a hedgehog is not nearly enough… (H/T to dalloway.)
(Photo of toys based on one of The Peanut’s favorite stories: Caps For Sale.)
PS — The folks at CommentsFromLeftField have set up a fund in honor of the two fallen soldiers who helped write the NYTimes editorial. Thought some folks here might be interested in this. (H/T to Michael Tedesco for sending me the link on this.)



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whoa boy.
Zed!
Rats! 2
Christy!
Burma
dos previous…
now tres…
I’m slipping here…*g*
(Congrats, bonkers…)
Because Burma has them some real law-and-order.
9 people killed today. Some military commanders relieved because they refused to order troops to attack citizens.
I’m with Christy.
Oh so close…
Congrats Bonkers!
They will not get my vote. My money. My time. Or my emotion.
The only emotion I have left to give is sadness for my country.
Prof at 6 — Have been catching up on Burma news a bit today. (Ill child means momma is behind on news.) Nasty business…
I’d also add, we need a Middle East policy that isn’t based on the needs of Israel. What’s good for them isn’t necessarily good for us (and vice versa), and I want the candidates to acknowledge that – and follow through.
Stop wondering why some “Dems” never seem to get it and always seem to vote the wrong way. Many of them are there specifically to undermine the Dem Party from within. They are INTENTIONALLY not getting it. That’s the whole point, and the trick for them is to throw us actual Liberals enough bones to get us complacent enough to keep voting them in. This is should be dubbed the “Clinton Strategy.”
I first started thinking this way in the 90s, and feel it’s been proven these last 9 months. A Hillary nomination will only start this ball rolling again and undue the work we’ve done to stop, then reverse the direction of that ball.
I think I saw Howie say it somewhere…More and Better Dems are needed.’ That should be our mantra for the next few election cycles.
More and Better ‘08!
Right. Right. Right. But why? I ask why are they acting this way? Why are they against something that 70 percent of the country wants? Us out of Iraq?
It’s political suicide.
Also, I love the setup for the next election. The biggest issue of the day — War in Iraq — is effectively nuetralized cuz the likely Dem nominee’s position is nearly identical to the Rethuglicans.
Is it just me, or does it feel as if the pols went along to YKos, patted the netroots on the head, and assumed that would be enough pandering until it was time to put in the request for cash and time? It’s been downhill ever since.
Y’know, it’s as if they think we don’t remember how the Dems could supposedly do nada as a Senate minority, but the GOP minority can now force bullshit rules and bullshit votes.
To pick up on what I’ve said before: the Senate Dem floor leadership comes across either incompetent or impotent. I understand that Joe the Ho makes life difficult for them, but when the majority gets pwn3d so often, you have to start thinking that they enjoy it.
Make McConnell whine. Send Broder to the medicine cabinet for Rolaids to deal with a lack of happy sunny bipartisan caving.
pseudonymous in nc @ 14
It’s not just you. See comment directly above yours.
Sha @ 9
They will still most likely get my vote (although I occasionally will do a “protest” vote for an independent with a half a chance at victory – think Kinky in Texas not Ralphie)
They will most likely still get my vote as the alternative is just far too unpleasant. As in more Roberts/Scalia/Alito/Thomas types.
But my money (unless through Blue America or MoveOn)? No.
yeah what happened to fool me once…shame on you fool me eight hundred times….
I’m still astounded that seemingly progressive democrats are casting the votes that they are casting. Why are they doing this? Is it something in the water inside the beltway? Have their families been threatened? Does Bush have dirt on them? It boggles my mind!
Great post, Christy.
That’s a good story from the subcontinent…
Once again:
While BushCo is focused and distracted by a useless Iraq war and occupation instead of containing Al Qaeda global in the porous border tribal region between Afghanistan and Pakistan, China is winning the war of globalization on the diplomatic and economic front big time. China is currently using its $1 trillion in US Treasury bond reserves to set up an investment enterprise to begin to buy up US real estate and corporations.
Meanwhile, Pakistan looks likely to explode in the next few months if Musharraf makes some more dumb moves. And that country has more that a few nukes.
And so on. And so on. And just watching the Dem debate last night, it looks like politics as usual.
speaking of hats, let’s go green: I propose a cap on craven emissions by Vichy Dems.
wigwam @ 19
It’s not so hard to understand when you realize that many of these Dems are PURPOSELY trying to destroy our Party from within IMHO. Think J. Low LieberME! He was doing it for years until Ned Lamont exposed him. Oh thank goD for Ned!!
There are many others, and their names are very recognizable.
I sort of like the notion of us as a bunch of clever, hat-grabbing monkeys.
“We don’t have enough votes” is the Democratic election platform for 2008!
I know, I’m repeating myself from a previous thread, but it explains so much…
TRex @ 23
With hundreds of hats.
Thousands of hats.
Millions and billions and trillions of hats.
(Good luck with the sick little one, Christy!)
And then assist in assaulting the Democrats who do stand up. Lynn Woolsey D Republic of Sonoma has had to undergo vicious and factless attacks from the local arm of the New York Times – The Santa Rosa Press Democrat. The Press Democrat began it’s career as a pr agent of the confederacy and has not changed much.
One thing is to celebrate and support the Democrats who are doing the right thing.
750 billions for the wars in aafghistan and eyerack
Everyday is Russ Feingold day!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it just me, or does it feel as if the pols went along to YKos, patted the netroots on the head, and assumed that would be enough pandering until it was time to put in the request for cash and time?
It must be frustrating for them that this formula doesn’t work as well with the netroots as it always has with other “special interest groups” like NARAL, Sierra Club, etc.
The only people getting my money now are at MoveOn. And if MoveOn isn’t careful about who it supports, it won’t get my money anymore, either.
When you’re in an abusive relationship, you have to leave it. We all know this. We would preach it to a friend.
Time to practice what we preach.
I’m leaving the Democratic Party. Going independent. I’m not going to vote for “the lesser of two evils” anymore.
Give me a real choice, and I’ll make one. Otherwise, well, it’s on them if the Democrats lose.
No one is putting a gun to their head and forcing them to behave like this. No one. This is their choice.
Well, dig this: I get to make choices, too. And I don’t have to vote for your sorry ass just because you have a D after your name.
Schip Bill
Holy schip! 67 votes
wigwam, I totally agree.
with Reid the flipping majority leader, why the f**k are the Rethug’s pet issues getting to a vote?
the Rethugs cut off Dem initiatives for years – where the f**k was Reid then?
and on appointments – have the flipping Senate Dems never heard of the hold?
A single Senator can put a hold on a nomination. A single Senator can put a hold on legislation (during NPR funding wars – back when it challenged power – KCRW’s general manager exhorted listeners to call every Senate office to find out who’d put the hold on Public Broadcasting funding that year).
Feingold could do this. Any other progressive Dem Senator (if there were one) could.
What the f**k are they waiting for? The flipping comity fairy?
I think “more and better dems” is a good goal.
Not sure it’s the right strategy.
Dems in the House and Senate need to be taught to fear progressives.
I believe the way progressives can instill this fear is to focus their energies (money, calls, etc.) on taking out 1 or 2 bad dems via primary fights each election cycle.
IMO, the priority should be taking out
1. bad dems,
2. vulnerable repubs,
3. really bad and beatable repubs, and then
4. all other repubs.
TRex @ 24
Who you callin clever?!? (hands on hips)
Too bad our annointed Prezident is a monkey, but definately not a “Curious George.”
Yesterday morning:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..light.html
the first picture is beautiful.
nomolos @ 29
Linky??
katherine Graham Cracker @ 26
I’m ready for one of the better NorCal back benchers to step up and push out Feinstein and/or Boxer. Who’s it gonna be? Woolsey? Barbara Lee? George Miller?
Fabled hats and Vichy Dems. Great combos. Now if we can just get Sarko to work with the Dems in Congress, we might get somewhere in history… And it’ll be…Back to the Future!
katherine Graham Cracker @ 27
I won’t be satisfied until Russ is considered a “centrist.”
Dem leadership sees us the same way the rethug leadership sees the fundies. They use us for our work and money, talk a good fight, but when push comes to shove the monied interests always take priority. I wouldn’t be surprised if they, with the rest of the Village elders (as digby puts it), laugh at us behind our backs – just as Rove was reported to make fun of the “values voters.”
TRex @ 25
I’ve got dibs on the Borsalino.
peanutbutter @ 34
Should be here soon http://www.senate.gov/pagelayo…../votes.htm
This post reminded me of this old story:
An organisation is like a tree full of monkeys…all at different branches,… at different levels,…some climbing up.
The monkeys on the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but a**holes.
I think a lot of people are already starting the climb down. And remember, some of them didn’t win by much last election.
I am working from memory without a link but didn’t A*P*C meet early this year for a most of a week and towards the end of their convention they sent five thousand individuals with a check in hand to lobby each individual member of congress? That is power!
Congress acts like hired guns because that is what they are.
I sent this off to my congressman last night:
Then tore him a new one here. Not a dime, not a minute of my time, until they realize that their mandate was exactly that: a mandate to act on our behalf, to do what we asked them to do without fail or hesitation.
Sigh.
And thus was blogging born.
TRex @ 44
You said it, TRex.
TRex @ 44
Hah!
Eureka Springs @ 42
Right up there with Rep. Boehner and the tobacco checks, IIRC.
Lynne Woolsey, please.
And the beginning of that debate last night did not augur well:
“I’m ready for one of the better NorCal back benchers to step up and push out Feinstein and/or Boxer. Who’s it gonna be? Woolsey? Barbara Lee? George Miller?”
Probably not for a variety of reasons. This is probably Feinstein’s last term. Boxer said she wasn’t going to run again. But she has changed her mind and now is trying to convince people that they demanded she stay. I would like to see someone run against her.
Jonathan @ 32
Hmmm…bad dems first doesn’t right. Maybe though…I’ve seen others here write about this and make a convincing case. It’s like Bill Clinton in the 90s. Liberals were satisfied just enough to keep him and the Liebermans of the world in office.
Meanwhile, these people were ruining the Party from within. Hillary campaign manager Terry McAuliffe was literally dismantling the Democratic Party from within letting many local chapters close down, and turning it into a MEGA-corporate fundraising entity. Howard Dean’s trying to correct this right now with the 50-State Strategy. NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, and the Dem complacency are all things that are making our jobs much harder right now.
Huh. Maybe you’re right!
C-SPAN reports 69-30 on SCHIP cloture vote, and the final vote is likely to be veto-proof. Overturning a veto in the Senate is more likely than the House, for once.
This is an easy test, though. You take the override to the Senate first, and you see just how many House critters sweat when it’s a clear campaign issue vote for them.
But, picking up from the last thread, the strategy in other issues has to be one that uses the strength and discipline of the House majority to put the squeeze on the vulnerable Senators.
Reid’s afraid of losing unanimous consent? Just bloody try it for a couple of weeks, and push the media hard. Please understand: a montage of ‘I object’ from GOP Senators is a very nice thing.
I found this video to be effective but genuinely disturbing.
I could only watch it once.
I think that it is very interesting that many people are coming to realize certain things now. I learned in the past few weeks that it does not matter how much money I donate to Democratic candidates or the party, that because I live in a Republican state in a republican district I have absolutely no voice. My young adult son attended a county Democratic party meeting recently with my encouragement and literally he could not engage anyone there in conversation. He had a blank check in his pocket. They did not care what his name was. The group that is in DC at present think that they know what is best for all of us. We are to give them money and sit down and shut up. It hit me hard this morning that they are literally selling us all out.
Thank you Christy! Wonderful post.
{{{Peanut & her momma}}}
Most of the donations from this household go to environmental protection organizations, ACLU, charities that help the needy, support of the arts, and the occasional sterling candidate.
TRex @ 53
Wow. I am not even a religious type and that is Disturbing. I think it’s recent footage of the DC protests. (bookmarking that for the fundie trolls and Halloween)
OT – Larry Craig voted *against* the Hate Crimes Bill: Joe Lie voted *with* the Democrats.
It’s a big ole goofy world.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..imes-bill/
BeBe @ 55
I think we’ve all been feeling like that. You just want to go sit out on the back steps and holler and cry.
But remember, a huge amount of the discouraging information you’re getting right now is just Washington PR. The people in this country, the huge majority of people, are against the war and completely agree with us.
So, buck up, Li’l Buckaroo. It’s getting to where it’s kind of starting to crack me up the way everybody in the Em Ess Em is talking about us NON STOP, “The Liberal Blogosphere, it means nothing. Now for more on the Liberal Blogosphere, here’s Tucker Carlson…etc, etc.”
It’s all PR. It’s snacks and candy. Don’t believe the hype.
Ish @ 35
I would love to see Barbara Lee take over DiFi’s spot.
Boxer’s batting average is much, much higher than DiFi’s. I’m not nearly as worried about her.
A glimpse into the future. Here’s how AP sees it:
Bloomberg, the radical. Saying “Iraq insurgents are like Revolutionary Americans.”
We have to keep supporting Dems because the alternative is so much worse. But if we want to send a message, we should pick out one blue-dog dem in a swing district who faces real Republican opposition (unlike Lieberman in CT), and announce that he or she is dead to us. And then let him or her die on election day. You have to take casualties to win the battle. This would be a casualty worth taking.
It would, as the French army said when it randomly executed troops in mutinous divisions in 1917, ‘encourage the others.’ No one knows who’ll be next.
I probably don’t have to say what I thought of Obama and Hillary last night.
Christy, I think I’m going to reformat this, print out copies, and put in the reply envelopes of all the committees and candidates who have me on their mailing list.
I might print it out and keep it by the phone to use when I get political telemarketing calls too.
I’ve given up so much for the Democratic party, huge chunks of time, my IRA contributions 3 years running so I had more to give to Democrats, and have gotten very little return on my investments. I get insulted, ignored and watch the men and women I have given my support to capitulate over and over again to a Preznit who is destroying our tri-part government while engaging in an illegal and immoral war that is draining our nation, and Republicans in the Congress who are little more than thugs and bullies.
SIck of it, just damn sick of it.
Somebody hit me in the head, quick – Sen. Pat Roberts (Crook-Kansas) beating up on ChimpCo over SCHIP!
I know it’s all a sham, since Chimpy thinks he can overcome a House veto vote, but it’s fun to hear.
You go CHS! Many of us worked not just hundreds of hours for some of the Democratic candidates but thousands and this is what we get. We want ACCOUNTABILITY on the false intelligence, on the war, on FISA, on the outing of Plame, on the A*P*C espionage trial etc etc.
Peanut Butter could not agree with you more. Barbara Lee would make an excellent replacement for war profiteering and pushing DiFi
Biodun @ 62
Actually, iirc, Edwards did in fact promise to pull out all “combat” troops rather rapidly.
But that’s not the headline that Timmeh suggested after the debate last night, so…
edit: now that I think about it, I believe Clinton and Obama also promised to get “combat” troops out – leaving behind troops to protect U.S. assets.
TRex @ 58:
You’re right on this one. As Katrina van Heuvel said yesterday: No one has voted yet. Most of the activities and spins in the past few months have been coming out of Congress and out of the presidential candidates. Again: No one has voted yet. Not one vote has been casted yet.
On Iraq and Iran I don’t know that I am prepared to say my party is a whole lot better than the GOP.
“Childrens do learn.”
Congressional Dems do not.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
Please don’t…*g*
I’m going to an Edwards meet-n-greet Friday evening. I plan on telling him why he’s lost my vote.
If he won’t commit to bringing all of our troops home during his first year in office, then I’m switching to a candidate who will.
Oh this is interesting:
I just wanted to chime in again on the contractor issue because in my own military experience, I arrived at my duty station in late 1997 and even at that point my unit was losing senior enlisted who decided to get out and, as you stated, do what they were doing anyway but privately and for substantially more money. This continued over my five years of service, and one of the factors that led to my leaving military service was that I could look up the chain and see the proverbial rats fleeing the ship. These were individuals with 12-16 years of service too!! They could retire at 20 years, but decided to leave and go private. My colleagues and I would often debate the merits of privatization back at that time as well. I worked in military intelligence, and I think this was one of the first areas to go private. It never made sense to us that the U.S. Government would pay a contractor 10 times (or more) what we were making to do the EXACT same thing and with no guarantees that the results would be on par with ours or better. From my experience and that of my friends, we also came to know certain contracting operators WERE in fact incompetent. This stemmed from the fact that private companies jumping into the bidding process to get a piece of the pie had never before done the work that we were doing. If/when they would win the bids, they would just hire whomever and throw them at the mission. This, naturally, caused some trouble. Furthermore, there were issues of morale in places like JTF-Guantanamo when private contractors were treated far better than military members doing the same jobs. In some cases, people who were called up out of the IRR left Gitmo only to come back as private contractors too. I don’t blame hard-working people for jumping the military’s ship in favor of much better pay and treatment, but it would seem that an argument could be easily made to show that an increase in the military’s size and ability to carry out the operations needed WITHOUT private contractors would be beneficial to everyone. Well, everyone except for those making the money…which, in my and most of my colleagues’ opinion is 100% mercenary work. I still don’t blame those who choose to do it because they’re just taking advantage of where things are now, but we should call it what it is and not delude ourselves into thinking that it is anything but war-fighting for hire.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 69
On Iraq, I see a thin shaft of daylight between the two parties, but not on Iran, and that’s depressing and terrifying.
What does *g* stand for?
At the blog today, I added my own “acts of condemnation” that I think the people of the USA can write against their Congress:
“for playing fast and loose with our Constitution, rewriting its basic protections with little or no debate (and, in the case of Patriot, without even bothering to read the goddamned thing), we the people of the USA hereby condemn and deplore Congress–Democrats and Republicans alike (and you too, Joe). Neither activist judges nor activist liberals have betrayed America–Congress has. You are a bunch of disgusting, weak, mewlish failures. We therefore condemn you.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 75
Grin
Knut Wicksell @ 62
Candidate Roulette
Oklahoma kiddo @ 75
*g* = *little grin*
SanderO @ 73:
Paragraphs.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 75
grin…
newtonusr @ 67
Somebody hit me in the head, quick – Sen. Pat Roberts (Crook-Kansas) beating up on ChimpCo over SCHIP!
I know it’s all a sham, since Chimpy thinks he can overcome a House veto vote, but it’s fun to hear.
Take heart – you’re not going crazy. Roberts just said that he really, really, hopes that the prez *won’t* veto, but if the prez *does* veto, he’ll vote to uphold the veto.
newtonusr @ 47
A*P*C
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae5t_55OWbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6fwJB2EAWE
Sorry… I cut and pasted that bit.
Can we get someone to run against Eliot Engel. He’s a serious DINO.
Imagine the GOP support for ending the war we could have if the Democrats linked military spending to tax increases on the rich right now. Bush says he is cutting taxes nope debt is a tax paid later on. Bush should be held accountable during his term.
I don’t see why the big three Democrats running for president don’t push this issue. Do they want to reenact the Carter Presidency?
kirk murphy @ 31
Good points. I’m getting the sense that we already have single-party rule in this country. It’s just that it hasn’t been formally announced. Our real rulers are merely permitting us the fantasy of an opposition party.
It was astounding last night to realize that no leading candidate would commit to getting the troops out of Iraq by January 2013. It would be a popular thing to commit to, popular with the electorate. And, it’s well known that if circumstances change, presidential commitments can be broken — it happens all the time. But, sadly no. In spite of the fact it would garner popularity and votes, these candidates had to assure their masters, from last night’s stage, that they would not stray from the reservation on the matter of keeping troops in Iraq.
Hillary went so fars as to include “troops to protect the bases.” (She’s referring of course to the half-dozen or so megabases from which the global-chess players hope to control “last oil” or some such nonsense.)
This is what gets me. Nancy Pelosi said impeachment was off the table because Congress had so many more important priorities to address and fix. And yet they’ve done nothing because ‘quote’ they don’t have 60 votes in the Senate. I say they need to back and work on impeaching Bush and Cheney. The Dems will fail, but how is that any worse than their legislative failures of the past 4 months?
Breaking news…
Pat Roberts (R-KS) just gave an impassioned plea on senate floor to Bush not to veto SCHIP.
He went through every administration talking point and debunked it.
Mitch McConnell (Swish-Ky) up now trashing Dems.
newtonusr @ 65
It’ll be even more fun watching one of his very few vetoes get over-ridden!
Isn’t medical emergencies the number one cause of bankrupcy in America? Seems to me the SCHIP program would prevent a lot of subprime mortgage holders from declaring bankrupcy.
jayt @ 82
Take heart – you’re not going crazy. Roberts just said that he really, really, hopes that the prez *won’t* veto, but if the prez *does* veto, he’ll vote to uphold the veto.
Then I heard it wrong. I thought he said he’d support override.
Eureka Springs @ 42
ralphbon @ 74
Great article the Reps who voted for the Kyl Lieberman need to read it. They also need to listening to Iaea’s El Baradei, Flynt Leverett and others who actually know what is going on in Iran instead of listening to the very same insane “cakewalk in Iraq” nutcases like Micheal Ledeen, Kristol , Woolsey etc.
Really worth the read
Lieberman-Kyl vs. the Evidence
Posted September 26, 2007
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..66020.html
Progressives did a good job framing the SCHIP issue. Voters who didn’t know about SCHIP learned quickly – in time to know that if their reps voted against it, they would vote against their reps. Issues need simplification. Children’s Health Care. Rest For The Troops.
Simple messaging helps voters understand complex issues. Dems need to do this every time. Tar the Republicans with the negative PR for voting against good bills that help people.
Kathleen @ 66
Wonder how often ppl make the jump from House to Senate?
Although, I wouldn’t complain too loudly if Lee became Speaker either ;-)
jayt @ 82
Vote to uphold or vote to OVER-RIDE?
Kathleen @ 84
To those references, one might add Mearsheimer and Walt’s best seller, The Irael Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy. What I’ve read from it has been excellent and very well documented.
If you have 67 votes already, then how does he veto it?
or does he veto and it goes BACK for a revote????
Howcome they get UC on filibuster but we don’t when the initial vote was 67?????
*headdesk*
TRex @ 53
wow. You are right on both points.
As to impeachment, not impeaching President Lunatic is on the table. And that is a disappointment. And a mistake, Speaker. I was a strong supporter of yours Nancy Pelosi. That is no longer the case.
peanutbutter @ 97
It goes back. I’d imagine that a few GOPpers will vote for SCHIP and against the override under the assumption that the good ol’ scorecarders will count the first vote and not the second.
Just a little bit of good news (and we’ll be a tad grateful when we get it):
My bold. I also like AP’s spin.
Speaking of the two fallen soldiers, here’s an update on and contact information for their wounded comrade (shot in the head by a sniper before the op-ed was published), who’s been hospitalized for more than a month:
Information courtesy of David Swanson as posted on 9/27 (although the site appears to be down at the moment):
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27209
peanutbutter @ 97
That’s 67 votes FOR in the Senate.
While SCHIP passed in the House, it was not by a veto-proof majority. So we’ve got to convince enough of the House Repubs to vote to over-ride the Criminal-in-Chief’s veto.
I am in agreement with all of the outrage herein expressed.
I want something very bad to happen to any member of Congress who does not vote to override Fuckwad’s SCHIP veto.
I’m giving my money to MoveOn from now on. Among other things they ran a great anti-Ghouliani ad that I saw on TV yesterday. I think they are the only sane political instrument left in this country.
But please folks….please, please, please…..DON’T not vote. That is only gonna make things much, much worse than they already are.
oddmommy @ 98
i find it infinitely easier to watch than the actual real-life version.
pseudonymous in nc @ 100
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA…
“Republicans focused on issues of security and force in their released statements on last night’s Democratic debate. Romney was first out with a statement, criticizing Dems on their stances on Iraq naming Clinton, Obama and Edwards. Fred Thompson followed shortly after criticizing Dems on the Israel-Iran question, saying he was “appalled that none of the leading Democrats would stand up for Israel’s right to defend itself against Iran.”
peanutbutter @ 106
I share your AAAAAAAAAAAAAs
Brisingamen @ 96
I sure *think* I heard him say he’d vote to UPHOLD the veto.
motivating thought from the writer’s almanac. not sure who’s emulating this approach most lately:
“It’s the birthday of statesman and patriot Samuel Adams, born in Boston, Massachusetts (1722), who was a failed businessman and a not-very-effective tax collector when the British passed the Sugar Act of 1764, and Adams finally found his purpose in life. He was one of the first members of the colonies to speak out against taxation without representation and one of the first people to argue for the colonies’ independence from Great Britain. He had a genius for agitating people. He organized riots and wrote propaganda, describing the British as murderers and slave drivers. He went on to become one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and participated in the Continental Congress. It was Samuel Adams, who said, “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.”
Brisingamen @ 102
Wasn’t the 67 or 69 votes for closure, but they still need to vote for the bill? Or else, why do they still seem to be debating and discussing?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 107
IRAN HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING
Oklahoma kiddo @ 107
How about we discus Palestine getting some fair treatment from Israel? Maybe if that happened I would feel more comfortable defending Israel.
Maybe if Israel and Palestine got a fair peace then Israel wouldn’t have so many problems with its neighbors.
Treat the cause not the symptom.
OT – in case LHP is around, the HJC committee hearing on “Sunshine in the Courtroom Act of 2007″… and is being shown on c-span3
hackworth @ 93
This is pretty straightforward – I don’t know why the Dems are so terrible at it. As someone said earlier (maybe you) the Webb Amendment should have been “branded” as the Troop Readiness and Rest Bill.
Framing matters.
Sorta OT: I just got a bazaar email from the DCCC: they’re calling it a “parody”. It’s “from” Karl Rove asking me NOT to give to DCCC to help them reach their $1 million goal.
It is really weird.
Ann in AZ @ 112Wasn’t the 67 or 69 votes for closure, but they still need to vote for the bill? Or else, why do they still seem to be debating and discussing?
Senate Rule 22: after a cloture vote, there’s a maximum of thirty hours of further debate. On this, I think there’s going to be six hours.
Harry Reid can start fighting our causes by stopping the GOP craptastic votes from coming up on the floor.
Wasn’t the 67 or 69 votes for closure, but they still need to vote for the bill? Or else, why do they still seem to be debating and discussing?
Good question. After Kennedy’s Hate-Crimes bill got 60 votes, it was passed by voice vote.
I’m thinking that the R’s are playing both ends against the middle. They voted for SCHIP so as to not look to their constituents as children-haters, but are placing their doubts on record as a message to the WH that if there is a veto, they’ll not over-ride it.
jmo.
scarlet p. @ 33
The death and destruction in Iraq belong to all of us too. No way out of it except to wake up!
Goopers continue the painful process of rejecting their president- because he’s insane.
This is interesting as well. Congress seems to be turning burlesque:
What’s next?
BeBe @ 54
i’ve decided that the dems are not my party and they are not my political home.
my party is the party of FDL. (hope that’s ok with the proprietors). jane and christy do a hell of a lot more to represent my interests and values than most of the dems in congress.
ya know, maybe it is about time to move out of this country.
Kathleen @ 113
That’s right.
I hardly ever comment but I am forced to admit to a huge crush on Christy (which of course I have admitted to my wife and she allows it since it is only a crush in the intellectual sense). Ms. Smith, I am in awe of your intelligence, wit and courage. I become so depressed when I see what is happening to my country and really do feel proud when I read your writing. You do make me feel hopeful at times, and that’s the most anyone can ask for these days.
Thanks
Ish @ 116
Why is it that us schlubs understand messaging and PR and yet our Congresscritters don’t? And they get paid a lot more than most of us!!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 128
And I don’t get how the Dems can be so bad at it, and the GOP so good at it. Is there no Dem with an ounce of (shudder) Karl Rove’s or Lee Atwater’s gifts for framing a message?
itwasntme @ 117
I got it, too, and I don’t think it works. Don’t know who did it but they should be doing something like stuffing envelopes. Strange.
oddmommy @ 98
The truth will set us free…we hope
Biodun @ 123
What’s Graham worried about? Bush will just attach a signing statement anyway.
oddmommy @ 125
Where are you gonna go? As far as I’m concerned: The grass is not greener on any other country on earth. Not even in Iceland or Patagonia. (Trust me: I’ve been to all five continents and lived in four…*g*)
More humor from the Secretary of State.
Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, has opened a conference of the world’s 16 biggest emitters of greenhouse gas, saying the United States was taking the threat of global warming “seriously”.
Kathleen @ 131
That’s pretty messed up, but oh so true.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 134
I won’t to know how foreign leaders restrain themselves from rolling in the aisles with laughter when ever Bush or his lackeys say stuff like this.
oddmommy @ 124
Join the crowd: http://www.oilempire.us/canada.html
2000: 5,828 US emigrated to Canada
2005: 9,262 US emigrated to Canada
2006: 10,942 US emigrated to Canada
The last time US emigrants to Canad were over 10,000 was in 1977.
And, oh yeah, by the way, there also seems to be an agreement signed between the US and Canada after 9/11:
http://www.canadianembassy.org…..ion-en.asp
The SBD was designed to “keep terrorists out” of the U.S., but it also serves to keep U.S. citizens in the U.S. with “pre-clearance agreements,” “advance passenger notifications,” shared databases, and an agreement from Canada to extradite Selective Service scofflaws. Sweden, long a haven for draft evaders with an aptitude for foreign languages, also redesigned its laws to prohibit asylum in 1995.
Democracy Now…Amy always on top
Burma, Jena 6, Health
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..27/1435245
jayt @ 120
So, are you saying that some rethugs voted for closure in hopes folks will equate this with voting for the bill, but will vote against the actual bill later? I think?
50james at 127 — Aww, thanks. And now that you have commented, you’ll have to keep doing so. :)
Biodun @ 133
Not speaking for oddmommy, but for myself–I’m not looking for utopia, but in 8 years my daughter will be 15 and my son will be 18. Will she be able to get an abortion if she needs one? Will he be drafted as cannon fodder in a useless war in support of the oil companies? If it were all about me, staying and fighting would be the obvious choice–but it’s not all about me. So I understand where oddmommy is coming from.
You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists. Or something like that. I for one find it hard to be quite so certain.
I think they’ll vote for the bill, but if Bush veto’s it – they’ll stand with the prez and *not* vote to over-ride his veto.
jayt @ 143
then I hope that bad things happen, personally, to all of them.
Sorry, but screwing over children –especially to save Bush’s hateful ass — is about where I draw the line between ordinary human wrong and rot-in-hell evil.
TREX, Kirk Murphy, and Selise I thank you for the encouragement and responses. I think that until those of us who live in non Democratic areas have some kind of voice, we will not want to be treated as an ATM. Of course the Speaker and the Majority Leader need to take calls from their constituents, but they need to come up with a way that there is a national voice, and not just a local voice. Those of us who live in the midst of ignorant Republicans (hey I make a lot of money from those dummies) are being marginalized. These are national issues and not just district issues that the Democratic congressional leadership must deal with. Do they really think they know best about everything and want to alienate generous supporters as well as potential supporters. Too many people feel oh well why bother. My busy son thinks why should he bother.
Ann in AZ @ 139
It’s simple: They’ll vote for the bill. Bush will veto it. Then they will vote to uphold the veto. (That is, they will vote not to override the veto.
There is a heartening new Judicial Branch ruling in staunch defense of our Constitution that I highly recommend everyone take the time to read:
Http://www.kgw.com/news/pdf/show_case_doc.pdf
It is a very straightforward ruling, but relays an absolutely chilling tale of what happened to the innocent American (and his wife and children) who was caught up in the Madrid bombing saga despite having no passport and not having been out of the country for ten years before that 2004 bombing. All as a result of over-zealous FBI actions that – despite correction by much more meticulous Spanish authorities – horribly invaded the privacy of this family based on a faulty and forced match of one fingerprint, which was clearly colored by bias against this American’s religious affiliation.
This is about FISA. The federal district judge in Oregon – Ann Aiken – has ruled that key provisions of FISA, as amended by the PATRIOT Act in 2001 are unconstitutional. Judge Aiken even challenges and disputes the In re Sealed Case FISA Court of Review decision which deferred to the Executive Branch, and which was therefore not appealed to the Supreme Court (it was the first ever use of the FISA Court of Review).
This decision will have a lot of different ramifications in the ongoing debates about the recent FISA changes. Judge Aiken firmly defends the principle of separation of powers and checks and balances, unlike our Legislative Branch. The August FISA amendment (the “Protect America Act”) very much follows the unconstitutional logic of the earlier PATRIOT Act revisions, and this ruling absolutely needs to be taken into account by Congress as it rewords the recent changes to FISA.
Judge Aiken points out that the 2001 amendments to FISA opened the door for criminal investigation wiretaps to be issued by the secret FISA court – so long as an additional “significant” interest of the surveillance is foreign intelligence. This has been the state of affairs since 2001, until this ruling, thanks to our Legislative Branch of government. Endorsement of violations of our Fourth Amendment rights, according to Judge Aiken, concerning which the tale of the Mayfield family is absolutely chilling and disgraceful.
This excerpt captures the essence of both the PATRIOT Act rubberstamping and the recent PAA rubberstamping by ignorant, careless, and indifferent Members of Congress:
This is some very, very good news, whatever the ruling’s future fate in the appeals process.
Thank you BeBe – and hang in there.
Even as one of Pelosi’s constituents, I’m shut out.
Pelosi services power, not her cosntituents.
Calling her a whore is an insult to sex workers
“Caps For Sale” is terrific. The author is interesting, too:
http://www.slobodkina.com/
Have you started “Stone Soup” yet? It’s all about supporting the troops.
hi fellow pups – back home now ater a lovely day yesterday…great post redd and right on time….interesting that i’ve gotten lots of email solicitation from of all groups the DLC..mind you i’ve never contributed to them or the DCCC but i’m being bombarded lately…hmmm wonder why lol
**How about Henry Waxman?
All you need to know to explain the Democraps is in this post at the Power of Narrative blog. He is correct about the Dems and if you simply accept the information as it is, Occam’s Razor gives you the answer he offers. No plots, no blackmail, no out-maneuverings, nothing, just complicity.
you hit it Christy
Praedor Atrebates @ 151
10-4 on that. Supporting the (D) team is reflexive, like supporting a sports team. If you are from the north side of Chicago, you support the Cubs, even if they always lose.
My Faction right or wrong. We will see going into the charade of decision 08 whether Left Blogistan is really anti-neo-con, or just pro (D) faction.
What is this, the Eeyore wait for the end of the thread to gripe contingent? *g*
pow wow at 102-S.Sgt. Jeremy Murphy, Room #405
c/o Bethesda Naval Hospital
8901 Rockville Pike
Bethesda, MD 20889
THANKS pow wow……….i’m gonna send them some money…….i’m sure they could use it for something, either for jeremy or for dinner out or to help with expenses………..
and thanks sandero for your info………
I’m so very sorry to have to break it to you, Christy, but the Dems are in on the con. They don’t give a rat’s ass about you, me, or the constitution. All that concerns them is keeping their cushy jobs, health care for life, pension, excess campaign money, and title. It’s WAY past time for them to put a kink in the war machine. The face that they have not, tells me that they DO NOT WANT TO. So, what really needs to happen is for every person who gives to democratic candidates to STOP. Now. And do not start until changes are made. Fillibuster for God’s sake. DO SOMETHING to show us that you are not just another Republican suck-up greed-filled sloth. Stop the money, stop the insanity. Oh, and one more thing:
Impeach the cheerleader, save the world.
moi, gripe?
*g*
guilty as charged, counselor
I second/third Jonathon@32.
Running a primary at one or two Dems that sell out consistently — in a district that is heavy leaning Dem– might work and would send a good message.
I responded to the survey yesterday and added in the comment field — run a candidate in a primary. If the rot from within is causing pain, cut it out.
Also, I agree with comment from yesterday that blaming the BlueAmerica freshmen/rookies is not the whole story. I’m essentially saying the same thing here.
Put the money and resources behind a challenge to Rahm, or God Forbid support Cindy Sheenan. That’s a good way to be called fringe! But the point is, if Nancy says Impeachment is off the table, she is not my friend. I should look to unseat her and replace her with someone who feels that impeachment is the answer to a criminal administration that ignores the will of the people. The quickest way out of Iraq and avoids entry into Iran.
I used to be registered I, but changed that so I could make a choice in the D primary. Soon, I will be changing back and would support any legitimate progressive running under the I banner. By legit I mean — votes right. and by that I mean doesn’t vote for anything that Lieberman writes up. for chrissake.
Thanks for the mention Christy. I see there was a bit of a mix up on the link though. Until it can be fixed here is the post; In Honor.
It feels like progressives have been under siege of late, it is like we can’t catch a break…. Mitch McConnell seems to be the stumbling block in Harry Reid’s way. If we could come up with a way to wear him down by eroding his support at home maybe more progress could be made in the senate. “No politician can sit on a hot issue for too long if we make it hot enough”
Bdum…
“Here we come walking down the street…”
Pax, Steve
(Actually it’s spelled “monkeys.”)
Jonathan @ 31
How about:
1. really bad beatable repubs
2. vulnerable repubs
3. bad dems
4. all other repubs
Reason:
1 because it’s the Right thing
2 because it gives us more Dems
3 because it’s the Right thing
4 because it gives us more Dems