Markos over at DailyKos talks about some good advice being offered by Republican Senator Charles Grassley (no, really!) on how to get the SCHIP bill passed:
Grassley said if he were the Democrats, he would send the SCHIP expansion to a vote every three months, along with campaign advertisements accusing Republicans of abandoning children. That way, pressure would mount either on Bush to sign the bill or on House Republicans to override the veto.
If that sounds familiar, it should — as Kossack Geekesque noted earlier this year, it’s the strategy Jack Murtha has been trying to get the Democratic leadership to use on Iraq:
As I diaried the other day, the Democrats are using the strategy of Divide and Conquer.
They are peeling 1-2 Republican Senators away from the President each go around. Eventually, the entire caucus–especially vulnerable incumbents–will refuse to carry water for Bush. Eventually, his lawn will turn brown.
What better way to maximize this pressure than to apply it repeatedly instead of once or twice?
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So, pass the bill with binding withdrawal language. Bush will veto it. Force the Republicans to vote again on the veto override.
Then give him three months of funding and remind Senate Republicans to circle that date on their calendar.
Then come back with an even stronger bill–make the Murtha language mandatory. Drop waiver and other wiggle room.
Force the Republicans to vote with Mr. Popularity. Twice.
Then give them another three months. And remind them to circle the date on their calendars.
And then come back with an even stronger bill.
The key is to never give that rat bastard in the White House more than three months on his leash, and to never give any rest or peace of mind to his enablers in Congress.
This, as I’d mentioned at the time, is the same strategy used by the Cumaean Sibyl. When Tarquin the Proud refused to pay the price for the nine books of wisdom she offered to sell him, she didn’t lower her price: Instead, she kept the price the same and started burning her books right in front of him until he gave in, at which time there were only three left.
The Democrats didn’t wind up doing anything near this forceful, which is a pity. But they have been making the Republicans choose between backing Bush and his war, or going with what a growing majority of their constituents want, which is to get us the hell out. And as the Republicans are becoming increasingly aware, continuing to back Bush on Iraq means a growing likelihood that they won’t have their jobs next year.
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Uno?
Two?
1,ooo,ooo,
dead for our access to their oil
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092607F.shtml
I have to think on this.
PW!
quatro?
Before you can say ‘binding withdrawl language’ three times, we’ll be bombing 1000 Iranian targets. Iraq will be yesterday’s news.
Is there enough time to pull away one or two R’s every 3 months? They should make it 45 days of funding, or less. Time is fast running out, and they are still intent on starting another war.
OK have to ask: is that Michaelangelo’s Sybil in the Sistine Chapel?
Secret US Air Force Team to Perfect Plan for Iran Strike
By Sarah Baxter
The Sunday Times UK
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092407K.shtml
“It is led by Brigadier-General Lawrence “Stutz” Stutzriem, who is considered one of the brightest air force generals. He is assisted by Dr Lani Kass, a former Israeli military officer and expert on cyberwarfare.”
Works for me. Make ‘em keep voting against their own interests and there will be fifteen new Dem senators next year in current R held seats
kdh22 @ 6
Well, not really. If we bomb the shit out of Iran, Iran is likely to bomb us back, and the obvious place to start would be the Green Zone in Iraq.
SeamusD @ 7
maybe it’ll be geometric, 2 now, 4 next time, 16 the time after that…
SeamusD @ 7
I’d go with 30. I’m sure they can work the votes in between all those anti-moveon resolutions.
I’m wrong, here’s Michaelangelo’s
I found one sliver of hope today, the two most noxious statements were stricken from the Kyl-Liarman bill, however, it’s still an atrocious piece of legislation…!!!
SeamusD @ 7
As the election approaches defections will accelerate. Either that, or they’ll decide to take what they have coming to them at the polls. It just needs to be made very clear to the voters who is doing what.
Frank Probst @ 11
Possibly, however, I think they’ll retaliate by bombing all the oil refineries and depots throughout the Arabian Gulf; SA, Kuwait, Qatar, Dubai, etc…!!! 8-(
Elliott @ 12
I’d like to believe that but it is not happening. R’s are keeping a tight rein on party discipline, something the Dems haven’t a clue about.
To paraphrase from Edw*rd Teller this afternoon. “They are going to bomb the crap out of Iran no matter what. And with nukes no less”
I read this many times and still wonder why we, as a populace, have ignored the warnings.
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu…..ndust.html
Yet again, a call for Democrats to stand up to the Bush administration, I mean, over the past 6 and a half years we have soooo many examples to choose from.
Shorter post “Dems will cave in again.”
I’m hoping for a democratic super majority with as many progressive democrats as possible and as few Rethugs as possible, preferably none. I hope the voters will not forget the mountain of sh*t that 8 years of rethug rule has built.
It sickens me to know that some of these sneaky rethugs will get reelected by a flip flop in the final minutes – after all their enabling rubberstamping and lack of concern for checks and balances and the constitution and bill of rights.
CTuttle @ 15
Yeah, they took out the really bad stuff but still declared a part of the Iranian armed forces to be a terrorist organization. Could be all they require to “justify” an attack…?
EPU’d from below, and somewhat germane here….
“This morning Boston’s WBUR/networked ‘On Point’ had that Isr**l apologist/propagandist/PNAC charter member and Rudy’s foreign affairs advisor, Podhoretz on (?spelling). The man talks as if he is Sharon/Netanyahu’s ambassdorial appointee to the Court of the White House/the Capitol of the USA.
As long as such people are listened to on the subject of anything Islamic the US will continue to be screwed in the Near and Middle East.”
The first country which might benefit from our bombing Iran is Israel and the second is Russia. (Russia owns 60% of the world’s oil reserves.) The US most certainly will not, not even the oil companies.
Does anyone have a list of members of Congress who take not a single Penny from A*P*C or others connected to The Lobby. Perhaps they could be persuaded to found a “Sub-Caucus for the Genuinely Patriotic for the US Interest”.
“Yeah, they took out the really bad stuff but still declared a part of the Iranian armed forces to be a terrorist organization. Could be all they require to “justify” an attack…?”
Ask Jose Padilla.
john in sacramento @ 8
That is Michaelangelo’s Drag Sybil in the Sistine Chapel?
Over at Balkinization, Professor Paul Finkelman notes a similarity between King George III and President George III.
http://balkin.blogspot.com/200…..third.html
HumboldtBlue @ 20
you mean like falling for BushCo yelling “Wolf” one.more.time. and signing off on warrantless wiretapping before the break.
Considering we lost a vote on Webb, or was it Reid Feingold? I think we need to be selling a better set of books or knocking the whole heavy set over some heads.
If we (Dems) were to take Grassleys advice. I say brand the ads in way they could have a familiar refrain in the future when we try to support health care for kids over the age of 18.(like me)
“you mean like falling for BushCo yelling “Wolf” one.more.time. and signing off on warrantless wiretapping before the break.”
Or another Iraq appropriations bill …
burnspbesq @ 26
Finkleman should have written a list of differences between King George III and President George it’ve been shorter.
nomolos @ 19
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aDdEAj0M1nQ
OT – Dianne Feinstein is an evil war profiteer who just voted to allow another white racist a chance to suppress voters rights and pursue so-called anti-voter fraud measures that disenfranchise African-Americans and other racial minorities in key elections.
I’ve recently been comparing her to Ted Stevens, but I’m beginnning to think she is worse.
Frank Probst @ 11
I suppose unless the Green Zone has been evacuated of the chosen ones.
HumboldtBlue @ 29
supplemental appropriations bill (it’s only been five years)
How about we add in a few military base closings in states where the Representives don’t agree with us and there are no strong Democrats running. This would help offset the cost of healthcare and show GOP voters what happens if you don’t elect Democrats.
If the GOP Senators want their states off the military base closing list then they have to vote for healthcare and against the war. So that we have the money for their bases. The GOP knows the Gravy train is coming to a close we have to make sure its their stuff not ours that gets cut.
Tarquin the Proud, Sibyl, the 9 Books of Wisdom great Classical reference PW we have to steal back the classics from George Will and other Conservative Morons. In the long run stoping them from rewritting history is more important than a Democratic Congress!
What is going on? The Dems are getting punk’d on everything! The odious Kyl-Lieberman amendment, Hans von Spakovsky squeaked through (thanks a lot to DiFi and Ben Nelson (DINO-Nebraska), the House voting to condemn MoveOn.org??? What is happening? I’ve been calling and calling about everything, S-CHIP, FEC, etc. Can some cooler heads prevail here, and let me what I can do to help make things better? It just feels like the 2006 didn’t change anything.
marymccurnin @ 25
I guess he did at least two; Delphic, which is at my 14, and Cumaean, which is what I should’ve googled in the first place
D’uohh
I will now go soak my head in a bucket of ice, which is becoming an increasingly common occurrence.
john in sacramento @ 31
Thank you
Morris Sheppard @ 38
should reduce the chance of
*kerplooie*
Looking forward to Olbermann tonight. So much going on today.
Elliott @ 40
You’ve nailed my motivation exactly.
Haven’t read this Lieberman bill. I’m not in favor of nuclear weapons for Iran, though- and would tolerate a lot of tough talking if it helps keep em nuke free. Iran should think that the US is unified in opposition to their nukes.
Morris Sheppard @ 42
it happened to Peanutbutter, what a mess.
Two separate Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip have killed at least eight people, Palestinian officials have said.
Twenty-five Palestinians were also wounded, hospital officials said, in what was the bloodiest day in the Gaza Strip since Israel declared it a “hostile territory”.
Elliott @ 34
Oops, we both forgot “EMERGENCY” supplemental bill.
Frank Probst @ 11
IIRC some Iranian, maybe the MSM’s latest version of Hitler, mentioned that bombing Iran would be a mistake because they knew where all the American bases were in Iraq.
Do you think that if bombed, Iran might just retaliate? Does the Air Force believe that they can launch such a massive strike that the capacity to retaliate would be eliminated? How stupid are they? Don’t answer that last question.
HumboldtBlue @ 46
oh yes! the EMERGENCY supplemental.
It’s only been five years.
HumboldtBlue @ 24
They don’t even need that much. Ask Maher Arar.
Only one country in the Middle East (a nation of our choosing of course) should be “allowed” to have nuclear weapons. Right?
Many argue that George W. Bush is the most dangerous man on Earth.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
there’s an argument about this?
Ed*ard Teller @ 32
Van Sparky? Do you have the roll call on that, ET?
Also, Dan Rather may call President Schrub to testify in his lawsuit against CBS.
But… there’s all that oil.
Iran reformist: US attack will set back democracy in Iran
A top reform politician said Wednesday that US demonizing of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad only strengthens hard-liners by rallying Iranians around their otherwise unpopular leader. Even worse would be a military strike against Iran, which he warned would set back democracy a decade or more.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S…..e/ShowFull
Elliott @ 52
Heh, only that Darth Cheney is more dangerous…!!! ;-)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 45
Declare it and make it so – American and Israeli foreign policy. Anybody who won’t play ball with us on our terms is some kind of enemy.
The American public is fed up with war. Too many dead and wounded American soldiers. And they’re beginning to believe the truth that the war in Iraq actually makes them less safe.
Too bad our politicians are still fingering the wind.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
We didn’t even choose them, and actively tried to keep them from having them (JFK)
CTuttle @ 55
good point!
We are lucky that Feinstein won’t be the next prez.
Elliott @ 52
“It’s a slam dunk.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
Bush is only as dangerous as the Congress and the American people allow him to be. If Bush does something really unforgivably crazy, like bomb Iran, we will also have Harry (I don’t have the votes)Reid and Nancy (impeachment is off the table) Pelosi to thank as well. Not to mention the media which keeps the public in ignorance and spews misinformation and thinks W is a bold leader with a sunny manliness.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
I don’t think there are too many people who will disagree with that. He is without doubt the most despised and cursed person on the planet.
OT – Appears Senator Craig (R-Toe-Tapper) is going to stay in the Senate instead of resigning at the end of the month.
T-Rex, where are you?
hackworth @ 56
They’re not fingering the wind, IMO, they’re padding their bank accounts and stock portfolios. Courtesy of A*P*C.
MayDaze @ 63
Yay! I hope that the judge finds some snarky way to incorporate this into his judgement.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 54
Since when has this crew ever thought about the consequences of anything? Why start now?
it’s the strategy Jack Murtha has been trying to get the Democratic leadership to use on Iraq:…
Reverse negotiating – which I’ve been advocating, right here, for some time now.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 59
Yeah, but Hillary may well be and she voted for Kyl-Lieberman
Oklahoma kiddo @ 59
Well that’s just grand. Here I was thinking she’s doing a swell job on Judiciary and then she goes all DINO on my ass. snap.
njprogressive @ 36
It’s the Blue Dogs. They’re triangulating faster than Euclid and protecting Hillary’s election chances and probably some war-profiteering chances. It’s part of the recent all-Hillary-all-the-time show we’ve been seeing. And, don’t forget to notice that Bill Clinton is out there doing “humanitarian” things and getting his face all over t.v. Get real. It’s part of the campaign.
They offer nothing new that’s good and this vote is an example.
If you want to go to war with Iran and stay in Iraq forever, then Hillary’s your girl!
OT : more dangers
40 years ahead of schedule.
We have had seven years of war mongering, death, fear and destruction. Wouldn’t it be nice and try something else come Nov. 2008?
Re SCHIP:
The stalwart, self-reliant President Bush (and Republicans in general) of late:
“Federalized” health care coverage for poor children: BAD!
Lifetime platinum-plated comprehensive free “federalized” health care coverage for the President and and Congress: GOOD!
MarkH @ 69
it’s seeming more and more inevitable, no matter who’s President next
Frank Probst @ 64
Craig will get pounded (not in a good way) in the next election. He must have a lot of faith in Gerrymandering, Diebold, voter caging, road blocks and roadside vehicle inspections on election day.
Morris Sheppard @ 68
Yes. And a different kind of Democrat for ‘08 would be good.
Loo Hoo @ 53
there wasn’t a roll call vote. difi chaired the senate rules committee this morning and she sheparded the nominees through the committee process so that they were all together reported out of committee without a recommendation.
i did some lame ass liveblogging of the hearing in christy’s thread. or, if your really interested you can download the audio i ripped of the hearing from this webpage.
This is what comes of having a Prime Minister who thinks Chimpy walks on water. How’s that for irony.
(my bold)
Does not the Congress have some ethical guidelines about approving bills where you or your family have an interest? Dianne’s husband should be forced to sell his interest in companies that do business with the government, especially the military ones.
Ed*ard Teller @ 32
New Thread by Jane…
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
hackworth @ 75
I believe that he has already announced that he’s not running again.
Elliott @ 27
Yeah, and these people are terrible negotiators to boot, especially for all the lawyers they have amongst their numbers. I’d like to know who was giving discounts on the group lobotomies that they seem to have had. Many of these people have been in Congress forever, so why don’t they know things like how to get a bill through against all odds, and inherent contempt, for instance. When did they become Stepford robots?
This is the only way to go. Pick two or three issues/bills and say now that this will be back every three months. I’d go with the Webb bill on Iraq, this one, and habeas corpus myself.
But after the votes on Lieberman’s declaration of war on Iran (slightly modified) and MoveON and DC representation and god knows what else, frankly I no longer expect anything. The kids health care may be the only positive thing they’ve done.
rwcole @ 43
What world do you live in? It’s perfectly, even, legal for Iran to obtain nuclear power. As far as nuclear weapons, IMHO, the possession of nukes by Iran would go a long way towards pushing the chutzpah back down the Z*onists throats. As Mordechai Vanunu stated, the Z*onist regime would not have been so bold about throwing its weight around without their nuclear weapons. Time for some parity in the neighborhood.
Phoenix Woman is quite an optimist. Actually considering the votes I watch, I’d say the Dems are losing votes. Think about all the Dems who supported the Lieberman/Kyl sense today–it’s another opportunity for Bush to use that “sense” as an excuse to do what he wants. Jim Webb was right, with no hearings and discussion, this was approved and George will use it to implement his plan to bomb Iran.
Hillary voted for it. I await her shock and awe, that she had no idea the President would consider her vote support for his action. “If she’d known then what she knows now……”
Whatever works. We need a progressive prez and progressive legislature. in power for 12 years straight, if we hope to undo the fascistizing of Amerikkka.
john in sacramento @ 8
I believe so. Look at how muscular she is — Michelangelo, male-oriented guy that he was, sucked at doing the female form. His Pieta was about the only time he got it right.
SeamusD @ 81
He’s said that he’s not stepping down until he knows for sure that he can’t beat the charges. So he’s going to be around into October.
I hope he stretches it out into the New Year, but I can’t imagine the GOP standing for that.
SeamusD @ 64
Watch out folks…when this issue comes up in the so-called “progressive” blogosphere many people take a hard and rigid right turn on this issue. The most critcal issue in the middle east is avoided in the MSM and often in the blogosphere. If and When the I/P discussion gets going the attacks start to fly.
Elliott @ 74
Not if Gore is re-elected!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 72
Gore!
MarkH @ 70
Faith in congress is at 11% who believe in them. Guess what they do not care!
They should do this sooner rather than later.
After the primaries, the republicans will be free to throw Bushco under the bus.