(NOTE: Iraq War correspondent Patrick Graham will be joining us on tonight’s Late Nite thread at 11:00pm eastern, 8:00pm Pacific for a live chat. He is the author of the MacLean’s cover story that I wrote about here. We’re very excited to have him and hope that you guys can come by and show him a good old fashioned FDL welcome.)
David Brooks writes like mildew grows. His column today, “The Center Holds” is less an essay than an accretion of poorly chosen words and conjectures that makes yours truly yearn for the good old days (was it only last week?) when the Times Select wall kept this stuff contained and protected the unwary against random exposures.
Once again, Brooks is in full-throated warble about the glories of some non-existent “center”, and how it’s good that the Democrats in Congress have shafted the “bloggers, billionaires and activists on the left who make up the ‘netroots’.” Because, as Glenn Greenwald notes, “Brooks, of course, cares deeply about the health of the Democratic Party and wants only what is best for it”.
Completely unencumbered by facts, research, poll numbers, and in fact, virtually free of the craft of writing altogether, Brooks projects his own feelings about the state of the American political mind on to a mythical construct he calls “most Americans”, conjecturing that since he is The Cosmos, all Americans must be as frightened and alarmed by the netroots as he is.
Never mind that poll after poll demonstrates that the American people are disgusted with Congress’s current “appease the Republicans at all costs” tack. The Americans who voted in a Democratic majority are feeling some pretty severe pangs of buyer’s remorse. But Brooks, messiah-like, knows what America wants more than America itself and believes that the netroots must die, so that we all may live, allelu, allelu, now and forever, world without end, amen.
Citing “high school educated women in the Midwest, and the old Clinton establishment in Washington” as the Rosetta Stone of 2007’s grim realpolitik (but providing of course no evidence of any kind to back this framing up), Brooks declares that passion is dead, milquetoast is the new black, and that the Democrats in Congress are damn right to “privately detest the netroots’ self-righteousness and bullying”. Does Brooks even know any “high school educated women in the midwest” or are they just another figment of his overheated imagination?
It reminds me of when an old roommate of mine let his friend who was in the middle of a nasty, meth-fueled downward spiral crash on our sofa for a while. I came home from work one afternoon and found him in our darkened living room with blankets over the windows, doing bong-hits and watching the Weather Channel, goggle-eyed from days without sleep.
“Hey, Pete,” I said, “You okay?”
“The weather’s all fucked up,” he said, nodding at the screen, “It’s the Knights Templar. They’re putting uranium into the water-table.”
Oh, of course. The Knights Templar. Who knew?
Funny, most people I talk to outside Blogtopia “privately detest” Congress and think that the Iraq War is an awful mistake that should be reined in as quickly and decisively as is practicable. And I live in Athens, Georgia, which is hardly a hotbed of “coastal elites” and close personal friends of George Soros.
His crimes against reasoning aside, however, Brooks’s greatest sin may well be his (mis)use of the Great and Powerful English Language. Have a look at these sample paragraphs and see what you notice:
On “This Week With George Stephanopoulos,” Clinton could have vowed to vacate Iraq. Instead, she delivered hawkish mini-speeches that few Republicans would object to. She listed a series of threats and interests in the region and made it clear that she’d be willing to keep U.S. troops there to handle them.
The fact is, many Democratic politicians privately detest the netroots’ self-righteousness and bullying. They also know their party has a historic opportunity to pick up disaffected Republicans and moderates, so long as they don’t blow it by drifting into cuckoo land. They also know that a Democratic president is going to face challenges from Iran and elsewhere that are going to require hard-line, hawkish responses.
Finally, these Democrats understand their victory formula is not brain surgery. You have to be moderate on social issues, activist but not statist on domestic issues and hawkish on foreign policy. This time they’re not going to self-destructively deviate from that.
Yes, he uses the word “hawkish” three times in as many paragraphs. It appears Mr. Thesaurus has abandoned him again. You know, one of the first things my high school English teacher told me was that the third time you use a word, generally it’s time to go back and find a synonym. It’s basic, elementary composition, Bobo.
It makes me wish I worked at the Times, just so I could stand in Brooks’s office doorway with a pencil behind my ear and a copy of the Times Crossword and say, “Hey, Dave? I need a seven letter word that means ‘warlike’ and starts with an ‘h’. Any ideas? Heinous? Hairy-backed? Histrionic? What’s that, ‘hawkish’? No, that couldn’t possibly be it…try again.”
Brooks writes like day-old bowls of watery porridge. He is the kind of guy who buys himself a pair of white Keds to wear on the weekends at his Nantucket time-share and feels really, really good about it.
“Mmmmm,” he thinks, alighting from his Volvo and looking down fondly at what are surely the plainest, whitest sneakers ever made, “Classic.”
But thanks for sharing, Bobo. You’re providing us all with a valuable object lesson in the common pratfalls of the navel-gazing Beltway Insider, not to mention the dangers of becoming too calcified and comfortable in one’s sinecure. Let us know if you ever decide to write something about the America where people actually live, rather than the mist-shrouded Wonderland that apparently only exists between your pink little ears.
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Why doesn’t someone step forward and reveal the truth?
TRex!
The accidental zeddist?
Former Alaska Rep. Pete Kott convicted on three of four charges…
Hi, kids.
Stopping by for a little afternoon delight, as it were.
Did someone tell downstairs?
Gosh, where is everybody?
Brooks says the blogosphere is unimportant. So why is he writing about it?
Hey TRex! I probably won’t be able to participate in Late Nite, but I remember your post about the McLean’s cover story.
Maybe it would be a good thing to give a few “teaser quotes” from the article? I can do that, in time, but I’d rather you repost them here, for the link-impaired. As in, those who might not follow the links in your note at the top…
TRex- I mean give a few “teaser quotes” in the comments here, not a revision of the post you just put up. ;)
Valley Girl @ 9
Lordy, darlin’, this post is already way too long. If people are interested, they’ll come by and read it on their own, I’m sure.
Beige.
Here, TRex(crouching low to avoid therapod teeth).
You’re such a gentleman…I would have written, “David Brooks writes like a full diaper pail smells”.
;>)
Poor David Brooks. When he has a headache he takes stool softener.
I am so tired of these propagandistic clown acts.
-GSD
I can’t stay long. I heard on the AM radio driving between class and a rehearsal that the Pete Kott GOP-VECO corruption trial jury came up with a verdict about a half hour ago, so I stopped at a wifi latte shop. He’s the second Corrupt GOP legislative crook to go down, along with the two top executives for oil company Veco, the bribers-in-chief of the entire Alaska legislative machine – statewide and national, for the past 20 years.
The Feds had a lot riding on this one, and now that they have it in the bag – Bye, bye GOP! – if the Dems can finally show some spine (yes, the same problems exist here as in the party nationwide) and put up some solid candidates that are real progressives like Diane Benson, who was supported so fully here at FDL last year in her near-miss at the slimiest, dumbest, most retro member of the US House, Don Young.
p.s. – I’m PUMPED!
“Just thinking of you’s working up an appetite…”
Bill and Taffy (2/3’s of the Starland Vocal Band)got stuck in a storm once in a DFH headshop I worked in. Electric everything failed when the power went out, including the doors. They sang.
Hey, TREx, fast work getting Patrick to come visit. That was a great article and I’m looking forward to some firsthand, outsider pov.
The Center is 70% against the war! Just who is his editor? Just what audience reads Brooks? The 30%ers only read the Times to critize it so just what readers is the Times targeting? What adverisers does he bring to the Times?
Granted some advertisers might want the war to go on for their own reasons but unless they are oil companies advertising in the Times doesn’t get the prowar people’s advertising dollars.
It doesn’t even help shape the war debate for Bush the prowar postion has been shrinking as Brooks and Friedman keep being proven wrong.
The Media has to realize they can’t shape public opinion on an issue when the public is 70% against an issue. The media is loosing advertising dollars as their readership shrinks.
If a war can’t sell newspapers maybe the reporting on the war is just not being believed anymore!
TRex @ 11
TRex- NO, NO, — I realized the possible misunderstanding, and added another comment… add in the comments, not in the post !!!!!!!
There’s a concept: TimesSelect as quarantine against infectious memes.
Only you could come up with that one, T.
Whoa!!! Tweety just said NBC is “restructuring”…bad job security….hmmmmmm
Mommybrain @ 17
Afternoon delight? Or was it too late for that?
Bob in HI
What irritates me most about Brooks is how he repeats White House talking points, how he always manages to slip them in. Even when he seems to be critical of the Bush Administration, he does it. It took him longer than just about anyone to admit that Iraq wasn’t going well. This position only lasted a couple of months before he was back praising Bush as steadfast and serene and hawking the Bush-Petraeus line of progress in Iraq. He is a complete and absolute goof.
I was a NYT addict before Times Select. I never paid a dime. Now, I’m cured. Thanks, Times Select! I think I can handle not going back.
Brooks sucks, but Bob Herbert has a great column today..
TRex! I thought my clock was wrong!
HI
The article sounded like it was somewhat made up of just comments that was taken from some right wing bloggs…complete lack of professionalism and style, also laziness was in full view.
Hi TRex! Another great post. That man’s thinking makes my skin hurt and my teeth crawl.
Heh, Bobo.
I can feel Driftglass sharpening his pencil.
Looking for BoBo in all the wrong places…
CLAIMING THE CENTER: A REVIEW OF
TRex- here’s the kind of quote I was thinking of, to tell people here about your upcoming interview- a quote from what you wrote before:
“The author, Patrick Graham, has been traveling to Iraq since well before the invasion and the picture he paints of a nation in chaos is unlike anything you have ever read from American bobbleheads about the war. It details the antecedents to the “Anbar Awakening”, which had nothing to do with the “surge” and everything to do with political expediency, and is still merely a loose coalition of enemies of each-other’s enemies.”
RJ Eskow @ 20
Infectious memes and whatever is lurking in Maureen Dowd’s panty-liner.
I love Jack Handey.
“Hey – free dummy!”
Bustednuckles @ 29
Exactly. Woodshed time, Bobo!
Hugh @ 23
Brooks reminds me of one of those intellectual aristocrats in Russian novels that have nothing to say, but say it anyway, living off old wealth while not contributing anything of substance in return. Its like he did something 10 years ago that won him his 15 seconds of fame, and has been kept on ever since, but no one can quite remember why.
Bob in HI
Aloha, fellow cuckoos! Dang, TRex, ya had to get up early today, eh? Nice Post, and, I eagerly await Late Nite…!!! 8-)
OT: In case anyone missed it, on the wingnut barbecue thread, lewisnclark at post #14 says:
I think this is significant… by my estimate eight soldiers have lost their lives from Blackburn’s district since the war in Iraq began; and the casualty in question in the interview, 18 year old Private Jeremy Bohannon, was the *only* one from Blackburn’s district killed this year.
Brooks is a creature of his sources.
His information reflects the views of the people he is talking to.
Brooks is likely talking to Congressional Dems, who look at the world from inside the Beltway like the Old New Yorker cartoon where everything in DC one street over is 10 times bigger and more important than something in Iowa.
If you are a Congressional Dem, you want the blogs to shut up and let the professionals handle it.
We have nowhere to go, we have to vote Democratic, and they are afraid that by being vocal (MoveOn ad) we’ll upset the triangulation apple cart.
Alecia @ 27
It’s another example of some clueless media hack writing the by now obligatory piece on netroots and the blogosphere: about how they really get them but are left unimpressed by them. Just more whistling past the graveyard.
Re who is behind Brooks, I say look at Bill Keller the executive editor and resident hawk and Pinch Sulzberger the NYT’s simpleton publisher.
newtonusr @ 34
time for that side-by-side picture of the purple tie wearing marsupial (or is it a rodent?)
It should have been Bo-bou. Or bon-bon.
It took me all day to get over being annoyed after reading this article at 5:30 am!
The good thing is that 99.9% of the country has no clue as to who Brooks is.
I think it’s a rodent next to a marsupial.
TRex, your writing flows so well. Aside from the content, your writing style is very easy on the logic–great sentence structure. Alright, enough sunshine up the posterior.
Brooks has been taken hostage by the Bushies. He has always been moderate, but I believe he has been targeted by the Bushies, like Murdoch with the Journal, to deliver their message. I have enjoyed membership to the NY Times for years, and before the Bushies got a hold of him, Brooks, never a “liberal”, has always gotten some solid points across without sounding like a Bushie lackey. That is simply not the case anymore. I can’t count how many times he has mentioned in the last 6 months that he has heard “directly from the WH” about this, that or the other thing. The Bushies learned from the Nixon staffers: control the media/message.
TRex @ 7
Reading! Nice to have you here, off schedule but ready for bear, so to speak.
KO to be on in two minutes.
Here is an interesting article about Brooks
http://www.slate.com/id/2102382
Why liberals are turning on their favorite conservative.
By David Plotz
Posted Monday, June 14, 2004,
If a liberal who’s been mugged is a conservative, what’s a conservative who’s been mugged? Let’s ask David Brooks!
LS @ 43
It’s that .1% that worries me!
LS @ 43
Or anything else for that matter.
Bustednuckles @ 44
from right to left
Drive by …
Awww don’t be too hard on the sycophantic, obsequious, parasitic boot licker
He jes’ wants anuther Edgy-kay-shin Prezidint
bobschacht @ 22
They sang their most (locally?) famous song first, Rhythm and Blues (”When you’re loving your lady and all you get’s babies, you got them rhythm and blues”) and Afternoon Delight, with us providing the harmony. EmmyLou Harris used to come in regular-like, too, but she never got stuck and never sang for us.
OT..for Ladies Night..The State of Georgia hates marriage..
TREX got me hooked on this site..
link
Based on my experience with union leadership (who looked down their noses at uppity shop stewards who thought the union was supposed to, you know, represent the freakin’ dues-paying membership), I have no doubt corporate Democrats loathe us as much as Republicans do.
Republicans rightly fear us as the only change agent that can rock their boat.
Sadly, corporate Democrats fear the same thing.
I also have come to believe corporate Democrats don’t want a veto-proof majority.
Then what’d their sorry assed excuse be?
Hugh @ 8
Ding!
There has been a concerted attack on the progressive blogosphere, and it has ramped into high gear in the last month. They wouldn’t be paying this much attention to progressive bloggers if they weren’t having an impact, and they wouldn’t bother to discredit the value of their progressive advice, if it didn’t make Democrats more effective.
All we have to do is to live up to their worst fears.
Ah, Mr. Brooks. Wrong again, old bean.
According to a 9/23 Survey USA poll, Iowa is leaning heavily toward a Democratic President for 2008. Here’s the Democratic lead, in the matchup between the “favored” 3 candidates for each Party:
* Obama/Giuliani – 8%
* Obama/Thompson – 10%
* Obama/Romney – 10%
* Edwards/Giuliani – 14%
* Edwards/Thompson – 17%
* Edwards/Romney – 16%
* Clinton/Giuliani – 8%
* Clinton/Thompson – 6%
* Clinton/Romney – 7%
As a high school educated Midwestern blogger, I eagerly await your response, Mr. Brooks.
trex referring to ‘what i think, but don’t quote me brooks’- “virtually free of the craft of writing altogether”
one of your best, my dear………….
I wonder why the NYT doesn’t fire Brooks? He’s surely a stain on their brand. You won’t find a lazier, more superficial writer. Is he untouchable because of his NPR appearances? His “bestsellers”? I don’t get it. Why would the Times keep this poor writer, who lacks the most basic understanding of what is happening politically, on the payroll? Is he blackmailing them? There must be some logical answer to this that I’m missing.
dmac @ 57
*bows deeply*
I live to amuse you all.
You know, if you change just a couple of words, it sounds like 1979 George Bush 1.0 criticizing Reagan:
“The fact is, many
DemocraticRepublican politicians privately detest thenetroots’religious right’s self-righteousness and bullying. They also know their party has a historic opportunity to pick up disaffectedRepublicansDemocrats and moderates, so long as they don’t blow it by drifting into cuckoo land.”Brooks is a fool. The GOP didn’t rise to power by moving to the center. They ascended by kicking the center in the crotch.
Ripley @ 56
It’s nice to see Edwards with the highest numbers… Kinda takes the wind out of the CW sails…!!! ;-)
I privately cheered a little when I saw that.
Just a little.
cleter @ 60
and taking the GOP so far right that Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, George Will, William F. Buckley, and Bruce Fein don’t recognize their own party anymore.
busted at 29=”Heh, Bobo.
I can feel Driftglass sharpening his pencil.”
nice image
Times Select Obituary (more at the link)
TimesSelect is dead. It was a cynical act doomed from the start. With it goes any hope of charging for content online. Content is now and forever free.
No one with sufficient experience ever thought that TimesSelect made good business sense. Oh, they talked a good game: It was another revenue stream to balance dependence on advertising, said the spin, . . . It was a tribute to the great value of the Times brand and its unique content ,. . . It was an opportunity to create added value worth added revenue. . . . It was a way to give print subscribers new benefits. Yada-yada-ka-ching.
Bull. TimesSelect represented the last gasp of the circulation mentality of news media, the belief that surely consumers would continue to pay for content even as the internet commodified news and — more important — even as the internet revealed that the real value in media is not owning and controlling content or distribution but enabling conversation.
brooks’ words struck me as TPs that the dlc dems could use….hmmmmm methinks this is what he’s writing…..
Ripley @ 56
If we nominate Edwards, and they nominate Guliani, it won’t be close. Rudy’s graceless, mean spirited concession speech will be over before Christy puts the Peanut to bed.
Ripley @ 56,
I saw a SUSA poll will the same results in key states – Edwards does better against every Rep. candidate than Hillary or Obama.
Given that, and given he’s about where Romney is $$-wise, why the lack of media coverage?
The candidate the corporate media fears?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99BDVzU7pxA
Jim Cramer says so at the 23 second mark.
trex at 59 says-”*bows deeply*
I live to amuse you all.”
resisting the urge to ‘goose’ you when you bow deeply, because you deserve the accolade……………although it would be a great moment.
Olbermann saying tonight what many of us have been saying for so long. The Democrats simply have no spine.
I just do not read Brooks. He is meaningless, says nothing of interest, makes up suppositions and writes about them. He got where he is through a book that was full of suppositions about bohemians and the middle class, and I suppose the Times got taken in by that kind of hifalutin nonsense. If enough people don’t read him, or comment about him, he’ll disappear.
Too much happening! Keith, TRex, and I’m supposed to be on a conference call with Hillary. So far only music…
Great stuff, TRex, and I’m sorry if I’m being redundant (not having read all the comments yet), but wars are “reined in” not “reigned in.” Just a former proofreader’s thing…
I could say fuck my party. I will say fuck my party (Dems).
ccmask @ 65
I know the Sulzbergers own the NYT. Do they have a trust established to keep the NYT afloat? Steven Coll in the New Yorker lamented over Murdoch’s purchase of the WSJ and recommended that the “families” who own the “papers of record” should establish non-profit foundations for the papers. I cancelled my subscription to the NYT newspaper years ago because of the webpage (and buy the occasional sunday paper when I have time). How can the NYT keep profitable while carrying the torch for free press and questioning authority?
TRex is here? How long was that nap anyway?
Loo Hoo. @ 72
Loo Hoo, you’ve got email.
OT-want to hear something that will make you feel good? Today on Randi Rhodes show, a service member in Iraq called the show. They understand how bad things are, and even though the pentagon has blocked liberal websites and information to the troops, they still manage to listen to AA anyway. I heard this call live, and KPOJ delays her show.
Click here to listen. The call will be on shortly after 5:30 pt (8:30 et).
Now back to your regularly scheduled Brooks bashing. :)
Democrats and Republicans are terrified by the blogosphere. If Gore runs he will embrace the blogs. You bet your ass he is watching and waiting.
Marion in Savannah @ 73
Oops.
Thanks!
What was I saying about right wingers and their homonyms?
Oh, well.
Olielly had Uncle Juan Williams on to explain that he was one of Olielly’s black best friends.
diogenes @ 68
True, Edwards has assumed the mantle of TR’s trust busting populism! One of the only viable candidates looking at breaking up the status quo corporatism so prevalent today amongst the DLC’ers and Repugs!!!
Gore is Hillary’s very bad dream.
I think the Media is rooting for Hillary because it’s a better ’story’ if she runs in the General. Edwards consistently out-polls her against Republicans, iirc, and seems to have much greater on the ground support.
It’s going to be very interesting.
I found a new website for Big Mitch. Its called baseballcrank–
Baseball, War, Politics, Law, and More!
Answered, TRex.
Get Tough @ 75
The Sulzbergers control the preferred stock which controls the company. Folks can correct me if I’m wrong but actually many papers have excellent profit margins. They are strangled by expectations for ever increasing ones. There was a Frontline on the LA Times about this a few months ago.
Scarecrow @ 55
Gosh, that sounds like fun.
;>)
katherine Graham Cracker @ 81
God, he’s pathetic.
Yassuh, mastuh! Dem field negroes is de debbil! Laws, yes! Dem rappers is so nasty! I ain’t like dat, is I, boss?
Lets try our best to stop the warmongers train headed towards Iran. Millions of Iranian people’s lives are on that track.
Call (202-224-3121) or write your Senators to ask them to oppose the Kyl-Lieberman amendment on Iran.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/25/11519/1540
Kyl/liebermann amendment
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..65797.html
———————————————–
Yes. Webb (man who served his country) challenges Kyl/Liebermann (men who have not served their country in the military) rips the Kyl/Liebermann amendment.
Webb calls the Kyl/Liebermann amendment “tantamount to a declaration of war”
http://thinkprogress.org/
Loo Hoo. @ 86
Just sent you another.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
If Gore jumps in…I don’t know what that does to the primary picture.
Ideally, everybody else would treat him like an incumbent president and bail, in a display of party unity that would make the GOP soil itself. But, that’s not likely, I guess.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
Gore is the Rethugs very bad dream!
darkblack @ 88
We are forces of chaos and anarchy
Everything they say we are we are
And we are very
Proud of ourselves
Up against the wall
Like Fineman said to Olbermann a few minutes ago. The Dems had better start drawing the line with the Republicans. But the Democrats are still “afraid of being painted into the same corner”. Being soft on defense.
love ya trex, sorry ot-just on lehrer report
un, place where all countries interract………….for dialogue…….and as much as i think the un interferes more than it helps, it at least makes an attempt to make everybody get along…………….
president of iran travels to try to circumvent a war……..speaks at the un………
********us and israeli delegations boycott his speech………..
********us and israel.
whaddaya think about that big mitch?
and if anyone missed it, he was on charlie rose last night, pbs……….should see it to be fully informed…………lots of ideas expressed……..wanted to smack charlie……….kept interrupting, and he all of a sudden got aggressive, he has on hundreds of neocons, never aggressive, but president of iran?????? aggressive and interrupts……..i was thrown by it……….
I personally think Brooks is a cyborg designed by Karl Rove to attack the the brains of specific segment of thinking people. The veneer of “reasonableness” – made more lifelike by the occasional gentle critique of Bush policies – tears at first contact to the reveal the metallic sheen of White House Talking Points. But it is already too late – the neurotoxins are already streaming across the Blood-Brain Barrier.
Hi Al if you are lurking! We are hoping!
Hillary is my bad dream.
Hugh @ 87
I hadn’t heard whether the NYT was showing a substantial profit. Cool.
If the dems take the WH/clear majority of house/senate, there must be new legislation attacking monopolies of the press and other information sources, almost creating the “4th Branch” of government every healthy republic needs. Not that I am preaching to the choir, or anything…
TRex, I’m thinking now they mean 8:00 Pacific on the Hillary conference call. I’m so used to everything being Eastern time, but this is a San Diego area call, so they must mean Pacific. If you’re up tonight and anyone wants me to, I’ll live-blog it.
cleter @ 92
I very much hope the scenario you portray actually takes place. I really think, though, that Gore scares the Rethugs more than all ten (or however many there are now) of the candidates put together.
darkblack @ 88
What was I thinking! I clicked on a darkblack link!
Nightmares tonight, nightmares! ;)
Alright, gang, now I have to go work on Late Nite.
Play nicely.
Few more articles by Patrick Graham
http://www.selvesandothers.org/view347.html
president of iran travels to try to circumvent a war……..speaks at the un………
–verb (used with object) 1. to go around or bypass: to circumvent the ;lake to circumvent the real issues.
2. to avoid (defeat, failure, unpleasantness, etc.) by artfulness or deception; avoid by anticipating or outwitting: He circumvented capture by anticipating their movements.
3. to surround or encompass, as by stratagem; entrap: to circumvent a body of enemy troops.
——————————————————————————–
[Origin: 1545–55;
loo hoo at 72 says-”and I’m supposed to be on a conference call with Hillary. So far only music…”
coool, let us know
TRex @ 80
“uh-oh”, says the incorrigible and unrepentant amateur left-wing homonymologist
Kathleen @ 98
Amen, Kathleen…!!! 8-(
Ann in AZ @ 102
I may be wrong, but I think Reagan entered into the primary race in early November. There is time. I think the longer he waits, the more impact it will have. Plus, he has nothing to lose: he is fat and happy (no pun intended), and maybe thinks, what the hell, let’s see what happens. He hasn’t had his eyes on the WH since the day his daddy said women belong in the kitchen, not on the campaign trail, like HRC’s daddy said.
Kathleen – your second link @ 5:22 is fixed.
Hard-refresh.
Elliott @ 103
Sucker…!!!
OT
here’s from digby on the movie on the Florida Recount (is that ever OT?)
Elliott @ 113
TRex went to work. . .there is NO TOPIC!
CTuttle @ 109
Me, too. I miss him very much and the hammock remains empty.
hey raven! at 106 says-”–verb (used with object) 1. to go around or bypass: to circumvent the ;lake to circumvent the real issues.
2. to avoid (defeat, failure, unpleasantness, etc.) by artfulness or deception; avoid by anticipating or outwitting: He circumvented capture by anticipating their movements.
3. to surround or encompass, as by stratagem; entrap: to circumvent a body of enemy troops.
——————————————————————————–
[Origin: 1545–55;”
whatever works
I think Greenwald’s column on Brooks can be boiled down to:
‘You claim to know what the American people want their elected officials to do in all aspects of governance.
Prove it.’
Bravo Glenn, TRex and all those who have contributed to today’s BlueAmerica rolling fundraiser for the incredible, powerful, progressive women that BA PAC are supporting.
Hit the 100K mark this afternoon, and still going, $103,086 as I write this, join in the fun! Send one of these candidates $5 and make Howie and Jane smile!
Now, back to enjoying the Brooks bashing.
raven @ 114
well then
Let’s get ready to R_U_M_B_L_E_!_!_!_!
dmac @ 116
I especially liked the lake reference!
Elliott @ 118
Yea. where is that liberty lee jackass?
btw, don’t miss the moon tonight, it’s up bright and early and it’s all but full.
gorgeous.
raven @ 120
lmao
trex at 89=”God, he’s pathetic.
Yassuh, mastuh! Dem field negroes is de debbil! Laws, yes! Dem rappers is so nasty! I ain’t like dat, is I, boss?”
ohhhhhhhhhh thank you for that…………..
We don’t see anyone beating Clinton in the primaries, except Gore. Unless things change dramatically, we, in this home will not vote for Clinton in the primary. And if Gore runs, forget it Hillary.
Elliott @ 121
I was out taking pix of it a while back.
A vote for Clinton is a vote for the DLC.
raven @ 125
Tomorrow night is the full moon.
Delurking to remind Kathleen and others here what was announced on an earlier thread: the House today voted overwhelmingly to pass the Kyl-Liarman invade Iran amendment TODAY. Only about 16 people voted against it and I haven’t seen a roll call. Keep the faith and pass the ammunition as our friend says….
Elliott @ 103
Whatever could have possessed you?
;>)
Well, it’s time for me to take a powder…Until later, gentle spirits.
David Brooks.
David Broder.
Paul Wolfowitz.
Ahmed Chalabi.
John Ashcroft.
Leopold and Loeb
All graduates of the University of Chicago.
I’m just saying.
The MSM sure is pushing HillaryThe Lurking Mod @ 111
Thanks
It’s not quite October but it is a marvelous night for moondance!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BF3NF6Faxc
raven-”Yea. where is that liberty lee jackass?”
awwwwwwww raven, i kinda like liberty, until today, when i told him he was slippin’………..hasn’t been his same input of conversation the last few times he has showed up at the lake………disappointing………
neokneme @ 1
Who needs the NY Times when you can get the same news for free and direct from bush himself.
amazona @ 128
You meant the Senate, not the House, right?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 124
Gore’s entry is the only thing that could make the primary fight real and generate genuine enthusiasm among Dems. Otherwise the primary will be a desultory march to coronation, and we come out of the convention with an unenthused party led by the only thing on earth – Hillary – that really gets Repubs blood boiling… not a great formula for success.
The MSM is all about Hillary Hillary Hillary. They basically ignore John Edwards why is this?
Do the Republicans think they can take out Hillary easier than Edwards?
CTuttle @ 135
fucking depressed! WTF!
betsy at 127 says-”Tomorrow night is the full moon.”
the harvest moon, which is the night before, during, and after……..three nights to take it in………
I meant the House because it was nearly 400 votes For and in the teens for Against.
Kathleen @ 137
I don’t suppose that it might have anything to do with the fact she is the first viable female presidential candidate?
darkblack @ 129
and I just had to look again!
Hi, everyone, just dropping in for a sec, had to get a little fix. I’ve had a detached retina (yuk) and a bunch of laser(double yuk), so am not allowed to read (OMG!!!) for a little while. I hope you won’t mind if I skim now and then and just say hey, because a day without FDL….well., you know.
This Kyl/Lieberlie amendment is just the worst thing. you know they did the bright shiny object thing with the ad just so nobody would be paying attention now, the jerks. HOw any Dem can think of even speaking to Holy Joe at this point is beyond me.
That’s my limit, I think, too much back and forth eye movement will pop my laser staples.
Be sweet.
Kathleen @ 138
Webb tried his darnedest…!!! 8-(
dmac @ 139
Axe and ye shall Neil
dmac @ 139
Also the Jewish holiday of Sukkot, season of Joy (and harvest)
amazona @ 128
Bastards. I’ll look back for the roll call. Thanks.
zennurse @ 143
get a screen reader!
Kathleen @ 137
Because Hillary is the Big Business candidate. And who owns the big media outlets? Big Business.
They haaaaaaaaate Edwards.
Okay, back into work mode.
zennurse @ 143
hope your eyes heal quickly, zennurse!
Japandrew @ 97
I think this is on target. There’s something about his style (writing and speaking) that encourages people who aren’t really paying attention to think “Yes, here is a moderate, sensible person”.
It’s when you string the words together that you realize he’s a complete tool.
darkblack is HOT!
What did I miss on the LibertyLee front?
CTuttle @ 109
***
I miss Al, too…
Loo Hoo. @ 152
He was bitchin about voter id laws, or lack thereof.
raven at 119-”I especially liked the lake reference!”
as in buddhisim? me too.
raven @ 154
And we gave him a good thumping !
Zennurse, please don’t be reading this, but best…
Twain @ 156
A “fact-based” thumping, I hope.
newtonusr @ 158
whack a troll?
So they vote down Webbs s759 that demanded that the Bush administration would have to come back through congress to start their next illegal war, and then pass the Kyl/Lieberman amendment and apply more pressure on Iran based on what?
Iaea’s El Baradei has repeated that Iran poses no imminent threat and that there is no verifiable evidence to back up these repeated claims about Iran.
These claims are being repeated by the same fucking warmongers that lied our nation into Iran. Are our reps crazy? Do they read?
WTF
If Gore doesn’t jump in, at this point we will support John Edwards in the primary.
dmac @ 155
I was sorta think about Firedog Lake but the dharma is always good.
Kathleen @ 137
Yes
as someone else noted yesterday
Thas has been another installment of simple answers to simple questions
newtonusr @ 158
What else is there at the lake?
Loo Hoo. @ 157
Can’t
stop
reading
firedoglake….
thanks LH and Elliot, now I’m really gone.
newtonusr @ 158
Not me, I called him names!
CD @ 153
So much…Twain @ 156
Which thread, and beginning, middle or end ish?
I dislike NAFTA, CAFTA, the DLC, the WTO and guess who?
Twain @ 156
He said if anyone is receiving government funds, including felons, or any kind of welfare recipient, food stamps, etc. should have their voting rights revoked.
That means he classifies me the same as a felon for being disabled. I don’t know if he’s a troll, but whether he is or isn’t, he’s an ass.
Loo Hoo. @ 167
Hmm, it was around noon est. These dopey time stamps are west coast time.
Here is is http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
betsy at 146-”Also the Jewish holiday of Sukkot, season of Joy (and harvest)”
yes, i have an israeli friend who also observes all of your holidays, best to you and your family, shalom.
Ann in AZ @ 169
egregious was so sweet, she didn’t even want us to call him a troll!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 168
Gore? ;-)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 168
I always thought Hillary was the best thing about the Clinton presidency
In my book that’s damning with faint praise.
Bush 43’s great accomplishment ws to lower the bar so far that Clinton and Bush 41 look better.
Ann in AZ @ 169
Good. All corporations who get any federal funding can no longer act in any way to lobby congress or contribute to any parties or lobbbying groups.
thanks dmac
Kyl/Lieberlie amendment
WTF
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These are not the Democrats of the past. Who are these people and what are they doing? Do they enjoy participating in the deaths of thousands? I know the neocons do but the dems?
The Republicans are trying to shove Clinton down our throats. As is the MSM and the DLC. Something is wrong with this picture.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 178
agreed
David Brooks is whistling past the graveyard. He so wants the country to come together, hold hands and let bygones be bygones.
He knows that the Republicans are likely to lose very big in 2008. The White House is Hillary’s to lose. My guess is that the Republicans are going to lose at least 18, and maybe 20, of the 23 Senate seats they have to defend. Mary Landrieu (who hardly counts as a Democrat) is probably gone, but all the other Dem Senators hold, I think.
This country wants change. Change favors the Democrats. We’ve had a bellyful of Iraq and Bush. For reasons that escape all understanding, the Republicans have not distanced themselves from Bush. I am old enough to remember Hubert Humphrey, tarred with the Viet Nam brush, because he could not put enough daylight between himself and LBJ.
2008 is gonna make 1974 look like a normal year for the GOP. No wonder so many are bailing out; they can see the writing on the wall, even if David Brooks pretends that everything is just fine.
I caught LibertyLame’s argument that those who receive Federal $ should be excluded from voting.
Problem is that we ALL benefit from Federal $.
That’s what they are for.
Not enough of those dollars go to the right places tho.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 179
They must have some big dirt on the old girl. Or she has signed on to the neocon agenda.
HR1400 Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007
Yes 397 No 16 No Vote 19
No-
Abercrombie
Baldwin
Bartlett (MD)
Blumenauer
Conyers
Ellison
Flake
Gilchrest
Hinchey
Lee
McDermott
Miller, George
Moore (WI)
Olver
Paul
Stark
Not Voting
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Carson
Cubin
Davis (IL)
Davis, Jo Ann
Delahunt
Herger
Jindal
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Kucinich
Lampson
Platts
Poe
Ross
Schmidt
Snyder
Tiahrt
All others voted Yes.
raven @ 141
That explains all the attention to her, but less so the utter lack of attention to Edwards. I guess he needs to do really well in Iowa before anyone will give a crap.
marymccurnin @ 182
Apparently the latter, under the guise of the DLC!!!
Poll reports Lie-berman trailing Lamont by 13 points running up to the Primaries in Conn. Lamont 54% Lieberman 41%.
raven @ 172
Well, I figure I’ve got a right to call a spade a spade and an ass an ass when the guy verbally strips me of my right to vote because I’m on disability. His stupid premise was that people receiving money for the government would vote in their own best interest and vote themselves more money all the time. Oh, yeah, that’s good logic.
raven at 145 says-”Axe and ye shall Neil”
i thought you were on dialup, how dare ye torture those of us who are………….
New Eli post upstairs!
RE: Lieberman-Kyl Amendment
This was posted at 7:47 p.m. at :
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..-kyl-amdt/
“Due to the still outstanding concerns raised over the amendment, Reid announced this evening on the Senate floor that Lieberman-Kyl bill “will not have a vote in the near future.” Reid added that negotiations are ongoing and “maybe the night will be bring more clearness to the issue. But right now I think it’s fair to say there will be no votes tonight.”
So, I think the vote was in the House, not the Senate. Looks like language will have to be changed a whole lot before a lot of senators are going to be willing to vote for it.
Ann in AZ @ 187
What an idiot. If that was true then rich people can not longer vote.
OKK, nobody is shoving Clinton down my throat, although they may be trying. I like her because she is smart enough to NOT let the MSM screw her over. Remember the debate on CNN when the “moderator” tried to get the dem candidates to raise their hands on an issue that involved a much more complex answer than just a yes or no? Remember when she didn’t give the easy answer of saying she would promise to meet with the leaders of Iran and North Korea? Remember Sunday, when she had the ability to line up the MSM with her schedule to get on all of the political shows? I love the idea that this woman is brilliant and has brilliant people around her. Remember, nobody can accomplish anything if they are not elected. She knows that anything she says now to pacify us lefties will be used against her in the general election. Karl Rove has met his match, and then some.
HR1400 Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007
Is this the Lantos bill? Lieberman-Kyl is a Senate resolution.
I don’t see how TRex can expect people to read all the way through posts that begin like this:
without straining the resusitation capacity of just about any local community. But then, I guess when you’re not trying to lull your readers into surrendering their limbic systems to you for just a sec, you can afford to use a style that risks waking them up.
its weird how all pollsters and pundits have called the election – so why bother to vote…….surely they know whats best for us idiots….
betsy at 176-
thanks dmac
i say that because i believe you aren’t a hypocrite about your religion………thank you for following what you believe in a faithful way. that benefits everyone, which you already know.
dmac @ 188
Me on dialup! I’m on this damn thing about 18 hours a day, no way I could hack dialup.
Perhaps this is not the Kyl-Liebfool amendment?
US House votes to tighten Iran nuclear sanctions
Published: Tuesday September 25, 2007
The US House of Representatives on Tuesday overwhelming passed legislation calling for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard to be designated a terrorist organization and tightening sanctions on Tehran.
The legislation passed by 397 votes to 16 as tensions spiked between Washington and Iran during Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s visit to the United Nations.
It sanctions foreign companies with US subsidiaries which invest in Iran particularly in oil and gas sectors.
It also prohibits civilian nuclear cooperation with nations that support Iran’s nuclear program and calls on the US government to urge foreign states and banks to divest from Iranian interests.
The bill also calls on the State Department to designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guard as a “foregin terrorist organization” and therefore open the corps and companies associated with it to economic sanctions.
This is from Raw Story.
amazona – Shooters Halliburton did big business with Iran, under the KBR umbrella, IIRC.
It is fucking amazing when two men who have never served in the military(Kyl/Lieberman) can get an amendment passed that pushes our nation closer to war with Iran, while Senator Webb a man who has put his own ass on the line and comes from several generations of men who have served cannot get legislation passed that would demand that the Bush administration come through congress before they can start their next illegal and immoral war. And Webbs legislation to get more down time for soldiers failed. Too Orwellian…too insance…too immoral.
Who controls the congress? Clearly not the majority of the American people. Special interest rule.
raven at 197=Me on dialup! I’m on this damn thing about 18 hours a day, no way I could hack dialup.”
where in the hell did i get that??????????? well, i deal with it, and it’s a dillemma…………..a big one……………..
blog on, ye rabid lambs!
Gang, sorry I mixed up the SEnate amendment with this House “counter-proliferation” dealy, but you can see how that might be possible! Yes, Halliburton all over the place newtonusr 199 and didn’t I read recently that they are still there?
O.K so the H.R 1400 passed, not the Kyl/Lieberman amendment. So people should call and say NO NO NO>
Lantos, Kyl, Lieberman inching our nation towards an immoral attack on Iran.
Israel pre-emptlvely attacks Lebanon we say nothing, drops a few in Syria, we support it. The PNAC plan moves forward.
Loo Hoo. @ 192
I think we’ll just have to disagree on Sen. Clinton. ;0)
Kathleen @ 79
He could provide some well needed balance to the political discourse and redirect some of the madness that is going on.
TRex,
The best putdown of style I know of is Normal Mailer on LBJ’s speeches. He called it “diswater prose”.
I haven’t read Brooks since his piece just before the 2004 election, the most concentrated dose of venom, spite and hatred I’ve read. It looked like he expected to lose and thought that if he could sway just a few votes with a maximum exertion of viciousness, it was worth blowing his cutesy act over.
We are looking forward to your appreciation of the Moustache. It might be a good idea to stock up on cortisol cream in case you break out in hives.
Just a quick hit and run warm up for late night, but I have to wonder if dear Bobo ever learned to read? He certainly is statistically challenged. In every major poll, including such gold standards as the social science survey, the American public are overwhelming liberal in most of their attitudes. Indeed, the American public is well to the left of the “moderate” Democrats (read DLC, et al.). The mainstream Republican positions are several standard deviations to the right of the vast bulk of the American people. In social science we call that “the fringe”.
Have to agree with you TRex, time to send Bobo and most of these inane pundits back behind the wall. Krugman, however, can stay out in public. The rest get a long time out, alone in their rooms with the lights out.
raven @ 141
Let’s assume the race and gender of our candidates were unknown, and we had only their records and positions to go by. Who to vote for?
Not even close.
This:
http://johnedwards.com/media/v…..-the-game/
Or this:
http://www.roselawfirm.com/practice/management.asp
I’d vote for a green-eyed martian if they were progressive. I can’t afford another 8 years of corporatism-gone-wild.
Or: the netroots aren’t that important but Democratic politicians are so scared of ‘em they won’t go on record calling them out.
Okay.
David who?
Can anyone tell me how the fiction that David Brooks was competent to discuss anything that might interest a civilized society originated? He stands as individual evidence for the spontaneous generation of idiocy.
Ah, yes – Brooks redux on the “historic opportunity to pick up disaffected Republicans and moderates”
Uh, that wouldn’t be related in any way to the last historic opportunity to sell out, would it? Or the one before? Before that, maybe?
This bit of silliness from Brooks got me thinking about the whole idea of partisan political “struggle” and I am wondering if anyone else would agree with the conclusion that I came up with (after much babbling to the air).