It looks like Dan Rather’s lawsuit against CBS has emboldened another member of the Retired Anchors Club to express his solidarity, and oh-by-the-way take some shots at his former employer:
Calling the ouster of Dan Rather from CBS News in 2006 a “travesty,” newsman Ted Koppel said today that he hopes the $70 million suit filed by Mr. Rather against CBS and Viacom will bring Mr. Rather “relief from his [emotional] pain.”
(…)
Mr. Koppel also spoke about the difficulties that network news departments face as parts of media conglomerates. Speaking of his former employer, he said, “ABC News is a pimple on the elephant’s behind”—the elephant being ABC parent Walt Disney Co.
Explaining the remark later to TelevisionWeek, Mr. Koppel said he first realized how small ABC News was in relation to Disney as a whole some years ago when he was flipping through the annual report and saw that he was many, many pages into it before ABC News received a mention.
The dilemma stems from the fact that the media giants are primarily entertainment companies and thus have to make money, Mr. Koppel said.
Unfortunately, Disney isn’t the only elephant that ABC is a butt-pimple on. Kos diarist McCamy Taylor offers up some reasons why:
With the death of Walt Disney, the creative mind behind the Mouse empire, Disney had only one thing going for it—-copyright laws. It had all the characters that Uncle Walt had created. Mickey, Donald, Pluto, Daffy. It had the old classic movies, which it could recycle every few years to a new crop of children. With the advent of VHS and DVD technology, it would sell tickets and copies of its movies and the spin off programming from those movies and the merchandising and fill its cable channel with television shows based upon characters that it owned the copyrights to. The only problem was that copyrights were not forever. The exclusive rights to Mickey were ready to expire early in the 21st century….
Guess which 2000 candidate was more sympathetic to the idea of perpetual copyright? Taylor gives us a hint:
Just last week, Vice-President Al Gore said “we can’t have the creation of an Information Rich and Information Poor.”
Taylor goes on to describe Disney’s concerns about “a la carte” cable, which Republicans and FCC Chair Kevin Martin were pushing as a means to eliminate Teh Naughty… until Disney Co-CEO Robert Iger had a little chat with Martin at a convention. K-Mart suddenly remembered how much he loved the free market, and three months later, ABC started production on “Path To 9/11.”
This all speaks to a larger point that I’ve been making for the last seven months: News outlets are little tiny cogs in giant corporate machines whose business interests far outweigh ratings and news revenue, much less truth and objectivity. GE (NBC) is a defense contractor which benefits from endless war; Viacom (CBS) is a vast media empire which requires lax ownership rules to stay together; News Corp. (Fox) is another vast media empire, and (bonus!) is owned by a right-wing loon.
In short, Republican rule is far more profitable to the media’s parent companies than the best and most exciting news programming on Earth could ever be, so that’s what they strive for. Their primary objective is not good journalism, not even ratings, but simply to do all they can to get Republicans elected… without making it too obvious.
That’s why their relationship with the right-wing “Liberal bias!” screamers isn’t really adversarial at all – it’s symbiotic. Those accusations provide valuable cover, so that whenever the media get busted shilling for Republicans, they just chuckle with mock exasperation and say that they’re getting it from both sides, so they must be doing their job.
And they are.
(hat tips to Pach & Marcy for the Kos diary and media ownership charts)
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Eli!
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Eli!
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hi Eli!
Great post Eli. Thanks
Hi Elliott! Thanks, Betsy!
*headkerplooie*
The amount of bad press that Rather is now getting shows that his lawsuit has really struck a nerve.
Sort of like when John Edwards begins to talk about class in America.
If Walt Disney is really in “deep freeze” maybe they could bring him back and he would give a few people at Disney the cold shoulder.
http://www.selvesandothers.org/view347.html
Pulling the varied threads of the media/GOP shillfest together into one narrative is vital. Well done, Eli.
That’s the core of the problem, right there. Nail on the head!
uh oh we’ll have to clean up in #10!
It looks like peanutbutters’ head was full of chocolate
Here’s a nice shot of the Dumbo Ride to go along with a great post!
Elliott @ 14
Isn’t that how the Reese’s cup was made?
TexBetsy @ 16
One of the early examples of “mash-ups”.
TheOtherWA @ 13
I think the whole “The news media is shallow and obsessed with ratings” narrative is a red herring (Jeff Gannon, various Hookergates), but maybe that’s just me…
raven @ 15
Has anyone watch the original Dumbo movie lately? What a racist commentary hidden within a really darling movie!
LoudounLib @ 17
you two make me laugh!
Elliott @ 20
It is what we live for my dear!
Loo Hoo. @ 19
not to mention that most of the evil Disney characters are females
The 1975 movie foretold of a “corporate controlled future”. That ‘future’ has arrived. And both political parties share in responsibility for this unfortunate circumstance.
Elliott @ 22
And find me a girl in any of them that has a mother.
Eli,
do you think the Rather suit will be earth shaking?
The media will start worrying when they “get it” from neither side. Suddenly, on that very day, like the dinosaurs at LaBrea, they will look around and realize they are extinct. Their self-awareness will not arrive a minute sooner.
Great post, Eli, and a perfect companion to TRex’s. Can we lobby for an ABCSelect and a CBSelect? Can you imagine Katie Couric behind a firewall with David “Our Miss” Brooks and George Stephanarumpalous? They’d put a quarter slot on that firewall in a hurry, and only have to empty it weekly.
Loo Hoo. @ 19
That reminds me, I’ll be driving through Eatonton, Ga in the morning. I’ll try to avoid the briar patch.
Incidentally, the movie was “Rollerball” (in #23).
Elliott @ 25
It doesn’t have to be earth shaking. I’d settle for it rattling a few bushes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
I knew that.
Elliott @ 25
God, I hope so. The media and Republicans will do all they can to bury it, though.
Hugh @ 29
I think we should re-landscape and ditch the bushes.
Elliott @ 32
we have to fight the terrace element over there…
Eli @ Large
Excellent!
Your habit is most becoming.
Unraveling the gossamer threads and thereby untying the na$ty naughtie$ resulting from ‘info-tainment’s heavy hand.’
Critically important to understanding echo-chamber of power structure, politically AND economically.
Well done!
TeddySanFran @ 26
Oh, I am so waiting for the day when everyone realizes, “Hey, you know what? The media’s totally full of shit, it’s nothing but Republican propaganda. Now where can I find me some alternative media?”
Eli
No, not entirely. The need for ratings and sales figures are the justifcations they use to get rid of actual journalists and investigations. They want fast, cheap, easy “stories” to show. A cat stuck in a tree, a missing white woman, a car chase, whatever. No thought, no explanation needed. Dangle bright, shiny objects so viewers don’t waste time thinking about how much they’ve lost or how many troops have died this year.
Most importantly, no one explains the sweet deals the media companies are getting from congress, and the media doesn’t look into the congress members poker games in hotels and hookers in Hawaii.
My first clue that Disney had lost uncle walt’s guiding spirit is back when they released Hunchback of Notre Dame…
oh not to pile on Disney Corp.
Great post, Eli! Glad to hear Ted is backing up Dan. That’s neat. I wonder if Sam Donaldson will pipe up.
David W. Bartoo @ 34
Thanks, David!
I think the media might be *the* most important issue out there; really fix it and a lot of other stuff will fall into place.
Problem is, how do you fix it? More restrictive ownership rules would help, but only slowly and partially. Maybe if news companies had to be independent entities, I dunno.
Eli @ 35
It’s happening Eli. Bit by bit.
TeddySanFran @ 26
Elephants? Disney? LaBrea tar pits?
LOL!
I am driven to the image of Robert Stack in Spielberg’s “1941″ as General Stillwell watching “Dumbo” in a theater during the “siege” of L.A.
I love that totally stupid movie.
The Rather story is truly a David and Goliath story. I wish him luck. The Rublicans have detested Mr. Rather since he took on Richard Nixon.
do-si-do @ 36
We already know where Uncle Walter stands…
Eli @ 35
We have to be a part of that movement every day. Today I reminded my attorney, who’s an FDL fan already, that the quarter is ending and BlueAmericans need our help.
But wherever and whenever I see or hear someone express contempt for the corporate messaging and implants, I mention FDL. We all need to talk about it all the time. Lotsa people know there’s something wrong but don’t know the solution is available.
(If we can just surpass that First Trust Morningstar Dividend Leaders Index Fund, FDL will win the Google race!!)
BobbyG @ 39
Horrywood?
like the dinosaurs at LaBrea?
Teddy, you do know that La Brea is way the h*ll younger than that? (Also way the h*ll older than any of the DINOs in Congress!)
We watched “A few Good Men” this afternoon. So little honor anymore.
Does anyone remember which newspaper in Florida is either privately owned or run as a nonprofit?
They were mentioned on a PBS special on newspapers as a good business model for news. OK, Ill google it! :)
do-si-do @ 47
There’s one in the pacific northwest.
Speaking of Rather, and not in a disparaging way, am I misremembering an incident in the early 80’s or late 70’s in which he was found in NY in a clearly shocking state which involved paranoia, IIRC, and death threats. Or was it just a dream?
Mommybrain @ 48
Are you talking about when he got beat up by the guy who kept saying “What’s the frequency, Kenneth?”?
Mommybrain @ 49
What’s the frequency Ken?
P J Evans @ 45
Actually, I don’t know anything about LaBrea, except that we drove by it on our “family out West” camping trip in 1968 and my Dad said, “There’s dead dinosaurs in there.” But I reference it all the time when speaking of nearly extinct political lifeforms.
Should I know more?
TexBetsy @ 24
Sleeping Beauty? But most of the Disney old movies were from the old fairy tales. Grimms.
Elliott @ 14
Oh I wish ;-)
TexBetsy @ 46
Ooh, good one. Watch Judgment at Nuremburg with Spencer Tracy for even more stuff about honor. It is so relevant to what is happening here.
waving hello
Seems like Rather must have the goods on the individuals who left him holding the bag at CBS Very serious double standard when a Journalist like Dan Rather is forced to leave for telling the truth and Robert Novak stays after outing a CIA undercover agent, Bob Woodward stays after he made every effort to undermine a federal investigation.
Just small contradictions.
LoudounLib @ 17
Damn the one time I step away after commenting, y’all run with it! :-)
do-si-do @ 55
more appropriate for 13 yr olds?
Eli and RAven, yeah that’s it. I remember thinking at the time that he had been drugged and that it had to do with a story he was working on.
TexBetsy @ 46
One of our favorite movies. Perhaps you knew that J.T. Walsh was at one time president of SDS.
raven @ 44
“Horrrrrrywo-o-o-oo-d!…HORRRRyywoo-o-o-o-oooddd!!!
TexBetsy @ 48
Well, good lord, I know it wouldn’t be the SF Comicle. I found the one I was thinking of at the wiki:
TexBetsy @ 58
Any movie made in the early 60’s don’t ya think?
simply to do all they can to get Republicans elected… without making it too obvious.
its pretty crassly obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.
.
I’d forgotten the blow job comment in Few Good Men, but it was OK. Think that it would be PG 13 and not R if it were released today.
BobbyG @ 61
Slim stole the show. . .again.
Mommybrain @ 49
Hi MB!
TexBetsy @ 58
Wait, I don’t follow. Are you
a)saying/asking if JAN is appropriate for 13 year olds or
b)saying it’s too boring for 13 year olds or
c)that a certain 13 year old type in the WH needs to watch it?
Sorry, I’m so Napoleon’s idiot today!
Kathleen @ 56
And yet always those whose “errors” favor the regime stay in place….
i am SHOCKED, yes caps, SHOCKED, that neocon ted koppel, despite his neocon family, is backing dan rather…………good for him…….i hope it’s genuine.
do-si-do @ 67
i am mom of a 13 yr old. i try to limit what he is exposed to on TV.
TeddySanFran @ 67
Anything that favors Republicans is not an error.
hi dmac. thanks for the email!
TexBetsy @ 70
I would expect if it’s on regular TV it would be edited.
dmac @ 69
iirc, Mrs Koppel has a degenerative disease that might be aided by embryonic stem cell research. It’s amazing how the mind can be focused otherwise when one’s loved one’s life is at stake.
Eli @ 70
ain’t that the truth!!
Eli @ 71
It’s a feature not a bug
The Oregonian in Portland is still privately owned.
Dan Rather on Les Moovies
“they don’t know hard news”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZxI7l2fkWg
TheOtherWA @ 77
That’s the one.
BobbyG @ 40
It’s a GREAT movie. Just remember the crows singing “That’s When Elephants Fly” or some such. The use of crows in the black dialect doesn’t take away from the fact that it really is a great song-apart of the racist issue. Remember, too, that that was when Disney paid people once to use their voices and melodies. No residuals. I guess that as brilliant as Walt Disney was, he was a racist corporatist. (Bank of America would not loan him $25 million to build Disneyland- can’t remember how he got the money.)
betsy at 24-And find me a girl in any of them that has a mother.
disney films are always someone without support and a mother or father, thank you for that, i have always brought that up amongst my friends…..always disturbed me, and noone ever talks about it….thank you…….
OT: Wesley Clark endorses Larry LaRocco, who’s seeking the Senate seat currently occupied, in a wide-stance manner, by Larry Craig (R-ID)
Here is a clip of Rather doing a report on the Nixon campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM0zJl9Bxk8
EPU’d for OKK-
OKK, nobody is shoving Clinton down my throat, although they may be trying. I like her because she is smart enough to NOT let the MSM screw her over. Remember the debate on CNN when the “moderator” tried to get the dem candidates to raise their hands on an issue that involved a much more complex answer than just a yes or no? Remember when she didn’t give the easy answer of saying she would promise to meet with the leaders of Iran and North Korea? Remember Sunday, when she had the ability to line up the MSM with her schedule to get on all of the political shows? I love the idea that this woman is brilliant and has brilliant people around her. Remember, nobody can accomplish anything if they are not elected. She knows that anything she says now to pacify us lefties will be used against her in the general election. Karl Rove has met his match, and then some.
dmac @ 80
So as long as you have parents, life is okay, and it’s only when you don’t have a mommy and a daddy that everything turns to shit?
do-si-do @ 62
When BillO posted his “enemies” list a couple of years ago, the St Pete Times was on it. I sent them an LTE congratulating them on the honor.
Kathleen @ 56
Teeny, tiny contradictions!
“When the President does it that means it is not illegal”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..arch=nixon
Really short..funny
TeddySanFran @ 82
happenstancetappin’ stance
Loo Hoo. @ 84
Thanks, LooHoo. Please continue your impassioned eloquence on behalf of your candidate. It’s really important that we have a complete range of views here at the Lake, and yours is especially important because it’s quite possibly the view of a supporter of our eventual nominee. I want to have a record of all your important reasons for backing her, so I can come back to them when it’s time to muster up for our nominee.
Thanks.
eli at 86-And find me a girl in any of them that has a mother.
yeah, but they always had a happy ending…………
raven @ 74
Judgement at Nuremburg shows up on Turner Classic sometimes. It’s an “adult” film in that it covers the trials at Nuremburg after WWII. But would be well worth watching with TexSon and Cassie for the historical affects. IMNSHO.
Eli @ 85
That seems to be the message. The only mom who is a positive image that I can recall is the teapot in ——- (I can’t remember the name of the movie)
Loo Hoo. @ 85
I replied at the end of the last thread. ;0)
Kathleen @ 89
Oh, I saved that one to ‘favorites.” Expect to see that atop a Sunday Late Nite sometime….
dmac @ 90
sure, when they were rescued by the handsome but personality-less prince
dmac @ 82
Except for my folklorist friend Kay who wrote scholarly articles about this very thing back in the day. She is having a collection of her essays republished in a book to be titled “Some Day My Witch Will Come.”
McCain:
“Blam, blam, blam
Blam Bambi ran”
Judgment at Nuremburg is on it’s way from Netflix, and Harlan Co USA is sitting on my coffee table now. Gonna be an educational and sobering couple of days.
punaise @ 99
Yay!
TeddySanFran @ 83
The Republicans’ attempt to hold on to the Senate appears to be stalled.
dmac @ 82
And step-mothers are always cruel.
OT
this is Charlie Rose’s schedule tonight fwiw
A conversation with foreign minister of Saudi Arabia Saud al-Faisal
Saud al-Faisal
A conversation with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni
Tzipi Livni
TheOtherWA @ 100
If you haven’t seen it already, throw Matewan on your list.
Citizen journalist alert:
Remember the fine piece on Rathergate published on FDL by David Niewert yesterday? I reviewed it over on NewsTrust.
It now has one other good review, and several reviews that are quick drivebys and not so enthusiastic.
NewsTrust is an interesting enterprise worth our support. It is an experiment in grassroots journalism that asks us to evaluate good news reports (including blogs) on the criteria of good journalism. If the Niewart article gets a few more pats on the back, it may rise from the “Stories for Review” section to the “Today’s Picks” section, where a lot more people will read it, but we need to act quickly for that to happen. You can help, and practice your good journalism awareness skills.
You can supply a quick review, answering just one or two questions, or you can do a more thorough review, rating the story on up to 30 or so criteria of good journalism. They do know about FDL, and are lefty oriented in general, but they grade on a no-nonsense curve. A story that rates 4 stars or more is a solid piece of journalism.
Bob in HI
allan_in_upstate @ 102
Well, it’s not as if they’re flush with quality potential candidates.
teddy at 75-iirc, Mrs Koppel has a degenerative disease that might be aided by embryonic stem cell research. It’s amazing how the mind can be focused otherwise when one’s loved one’s life is at stake.
that so shocks me…….it’s like having a gay daughter and not speaking out about gay rights……….i so don’t get it………
and i’m one who has a step-sister who is lesbian with two children through artificial insemination and a step-brother who has been with the same partner since college…………
waht? they employ the embrionics when it serves them? but not the biologics that say what is what?
if embyonics are employed, then gayishness is proven………..so givem his embryonics, let everyone else be given the opposite research that is displayed.
a lot different take then that snotty little creep at the Compost
Donald Trump: “Dan Rather’s a loser.’
Sort of like George Bush calling Barack Obama intellectually lazy.
Wait a minute which candidate was sympathetic to the perpetual idea of copyright. Doesn’t sound like Al Gore with Info poor/Info Rich.
Why TSF at 91. Thank you for your nice words.
allan_in_upstate @ 101
can’t get (R-ID) of him?
mui @ 109
Exactly.
From MSNBC House passes SCHIP 265-159. Not a veto proof majority unfortunately.
allan_in_upstate @ 110
Ugh. Trump. Ugh. I hope he doesn’t think of himself as a winner in this dichotomous world of his with two kinds of people: winners and losers.
mui @ 110
Aight…now who ran against Gore in 2000?
Yep.
Eli @ 114
Thanks. I got anxious for a minute. I followed the links, but you know, not enough caffeine. Then anxiety took hold.
peanutbutter @ 117
The machine did. The ChimpMachine.
dakine01 @ 115
Chimpy doesn’t are about children. It looks bad.
bobschacht @ 106
Joined and done. THANKS !!
Fern @ 98
do you have any links? I’ve always been fascinated by fairy tales of the non-Disney sort. All kinds of weird, wonderful, psychosymbolism in those, a lot of it very dark indeed.
fwiw, I’ve never liked any of the vintage Disney characters. imo, Hanna Barbera’s creatures — most epecially my beloved Bugs –beat the pants off ‘em every time.
OT..
TPM
Spanish source:
link
dakine01 @ 104
I saw that recently. Great movie.
dmac @ 108
Usually I totally understand you, dmac, and agree with you. I don’t understand, sis…
thanks steve-ar
punaise @ 113
Are you suggesting some similarity between Larry Craig and PJ Harvey ?
Maybe a visit to the optometrist is in order, sir.
Loo Hoo. @ 103
This was probably derived from Grimm’s Fairy Tales, which were not Hollywood concoctions, but German folk tales gathered by the brothers Grimm, who were linguists. “Children’s” stories are a prime vehicle for socialization, and apparently German folk culture had a problem with step-moms.
Bob in HI
dakine01 @ 115
But good enough to embolden our Democratic House leadership to bring it up every month or so, when temporary extensions expire and MoveOn in-district ads make GOP hold-outs very uncomfortable.
Mommybrain @ 49
I thought it was later and he looked like he was beaten up. Maybe that’s another incident. It was dropped lie a hot potato.
QuakerGirl @ 130
He was mugged and one of the muggers is supposed to have kept asking him “What’s the frequency Kenneth?” in ‘86 per wiki.
Eli @ Large:
Re; what to be done.
Two critical steps leading to current ‘problem’ with Media had their genesis with Reagan.
Tossing out ‘fairness doctrine’ and the deliberate destruction of anti-trust impediments. This should suggest some part of solution.
There can be no meaningful ‘democracy’ without media responsibility – left blogs are currently ONLY serious ‘push-back.’ Which is why Jonathan’s question as to what we want the future to look like, MUST be engaged, seriously, again and again until broad public traction is achieved.
dmac @ 108
Grace Koppel has COPD. I erred when I wrote that there was a stem-cell connection to a possible cure for her disease.
dakine at 105 says-”If you haven’t seen it already, throw Matewan on your list.”
oh, matewan is on my top twenty favorite movies.
Eli, I agree with everything you said, but it does seem that MSNBC is starting to be very critical of this administration. Olberman, Matthews, Schuster and Abrahms have been brutal at times.
Of course, your theory explains why Tucker is still on. Horrible show, idiot host and basement ratings.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 109
Recall that that snotty nosed creep was Charles Lane, the editor at TNR of Stephen Glass, fabricator.
you think ted is really supporting dan? i didnt get that from his statement……
David W. Bartoo @ 130
My worry about the Fairness Doctrine is about just *who* gets to present the “opposing viewpoint”. I’m afraid it would be either a pseudo-Dem or someone ineffectual and lame.
If there are ways to guarantee that that won’t happen, then I’m all for it. Otherwise, it would just be used to make the right-wing argument look even stronger.
Fern @ 98
There’s a reason for this and for plot lines like the one on the Ponderosa. (Three sons, three different moms, all dead.) Women died in alarming numbers from childbirth. Without birth control or access to safe, legal abortion, women DIE. That’s why these are important issues.
teddy at 133-Grace Koppel has COPD. I erred when I wrote that there was a stem-cell connection to a possible cure for her disease.”
yeah, i know, but even if it’s a disease that can’t be cured you identify with those trying to be cured………….if you’re human……….
bobschacht @ 128
Or you can read Bruno Bettelheim’s interpretation.
I have a German version of Grimm’s that reprints one of the the earlier editions (Ja, I can actually read.) I thought of making a gift to my nieces, but decided to keep it for myself. Prude that I am. Rapunzel gets pregnant in this version.
TeddySanFran @ 133
I knew that.
solai @ 133
Also Matthews and Russert. I think they have to let *some* of the liberals stay around as part of the “not make it too obvious” aspect.
OKK LOL
In other news, does anyone find it sorta disturbing that Chimpy (El Diablo) went before the UN and did nothing but talk about Myanmar. What could have been the rx there I wonder.
mui @ 143
“Why’d you say Burma?”
“I panicked.”
solai @ 135
I think there are 2 different things going on at (MS)NBC. Probably the WH threatening that if the KO type is not “balanced” by, oh, a Joe and a Tuck, they won’t be getting any WH face time.
The other thing is from management “you have to make money, and only once in awhile will we say ’shut up’”.
In contrast to FOX – “You spin the exactly the way we tell you, and we’ll give you big bonuses if you’re popular”.
Business reasons do not explain the continued presence of Tucker Carlson on MSNBC. I can only speculate that his father, former United States Ambassador to the Seychelles Richard Carlson and rich sumbitch friend of Scooter Libby and Mel Sembler, has access through his neo-contacts to GE executives’ wiretaps. Or some compromising video of Dan Abrams, which, come to think of it, I wouldn’t mind seeing.
TeddySanFran @ 146
Or Glenn Beck at CNN.
dan abrams no longer in management – now strictly a host at 9pm….
mui @ 145
I don’t know, but did you see that the different countries were spelled phonetically for our illustrious leader?
Maybe that’s why he refuses to address Ahmadinejad.
Are there any liberals with lousy ratings who still have their shows?
Eli said: “In short, Republican rule is far more profitable to the media’s parent companies than the best and most exciting news programming on Earth could ever be, so that’s what they strive for. Their primary objective is not good journalism, not even ratings, but simply to do all they can to get Republicans elected… without making it too obvious.”
There you have it. I used to work in that industry and got out several years ago for this exact reason. This was true on a local news level and when freelancing for the major networks. Ever once in a while you could get a feature on air about some great work being done in a community, or an investigation that would lead to a law being changed, but 90% of the time or more you were pimping for the status quo rule by Conglomerates.
I would try to explain this years ago to people and would always get this blank stare and comments like, “But I thought the media had a liberal bias.” It has made me very happy to see this truth being told on a regular basis thanks to the rise of the new people-powered media. Fantastic summation, Eli!
juslin @ 150
But until yesterday, those compromising tapes may have had value. Perhaps now that Dan no longer controls Tucker’s career prospects, Ambassador Carlson can send the tapes my way.
Eli @ 143
Actually, I think even Joe Scarborough found himself critical of this administration many times within the last year or so. He says he’s still a conservative Republican, but he can’t seem to help but see the incompetence and downright deliberate lawbreaking that is going on. Tucker just doesn’t really belong on TV, but then, neither does O’Reilly, or Rush, or any number of others.
Thanks, bonkers!
did anyone catch Pelosi on Blitzer earlier? I know there is collective disappointment with her but she was really impressive there, I thought.
solai @ 151
In case you missed it.
Eli @ 148
I have stopped sending complaining e-mails to MSNBC and CNN because I realized it made them think I was actually watching – and I’m not. Wouldn’t watch either of these creeps for lots of money.
hmmmm what liberals have shows on tv? excepting KO of course
loo hoo-
sorry about the short-hand, i’[ve had a couple of beers…….ha……..i don’t know which part you didn’t get, so i’ll go back over it, and hope you see……….ted is ok with genetics, because his wife is affected, and genetics is what proves homosexuality, but the two don’t mix in his vocabulary, so, makes me wonder how invested he is in it……..that’s what i was sayin’……….he wants his wife’s needs met, but not others.
………
teddy at 75-iirc, Mrs Koppel has a degenerative disease that might be aided by embryonic stem cell research. It’s amazing how the mind can be focused otherwise when one’s loved one’s life is at stake.
that so shocks me…….it’s like having a gay daughter and not speaking out about gay rights……….i so don’t get it………
and i’m one who has a step-sister who is lesbian with two children through artificial insemination and a step-brother who has been with the same partner since college…………
waht? they employ the embrionics when it serves them? but not the biologics that say what is what?
if embyonics are employed, then gayishness is proven………..so givem his embryonics, let everyone else be given the opposite research that is displayed.
Usually I totally understand you, dmac, and agree with you. I don’t understand, sis…
Thinking of Tucker, he got away with that ‘I’m a tough guy and beat up gay men’ story, didn’t he?
mui @ 141
OMG! A woman gets pregnant? And to think that it’s always her fault!
solai @ 160
Of course. Beating up gay guys is a-okay.
Eli @ 138
That is where ’spine’ and a professional FCC come in. Lots of chicken and egg stuff – but omelets might be on menu, otherwise it is just more KFC, lots of greasy, unpalatable, unsatisfying lardy unhealthy stuff to chew on for future. But the d’s will have to be pushed, kicking and babbling to meet the needs of the future our children deserve.
juslin @ 160
I was interested to note that Keith last nite made a statement during his interview of Bruce Fein, a Reagan appointee and constitutionalist, that the interviewee shared neither the political views of Jane Harman or his interviewer (Keith).
I thought it was about the first time I’d heard Keith speak on-air about his own political views, which are neither Fein’s nor Harman’s, if I understood him correctly.
Lotsa room to maneuver between (and outside of) the Fein-Harman axis, but it intrigued me.
solai @ 162
It’s hard to find journalists covering other journalists, professional courtesy perhaps?
juslin @ 150
What, juslin?
solai @ 162
Just like he gets away with every outrage. There’s more to his employment than, um, employability.
TeddySanFran @ 147
Cable news is a circus and every circus needs its clowns.
Hugh @ 168
Some have nothing else. Well, elephants.
speaking of KO – dont know if he’s really liberal but i think he’s a constitutionalist and conservative in a positive way…. just my reading of him
Elliott @ 167
Keith, for instance, never criticizes other NBC “journalizts” — perhaps we need an Orally jihad against Tucker?
Loo Hoo. @ 168
link
Eli @ 170
And their droppings.
Eli @ 171
… and elephant ass-pimples!
(I have waited years for such an exclamation to be on-topic at FDL!!)
Eli @ 171
Yep. Watch your step.
loohoo
dan either stepped down or was relieved of his executive position and given the joe scarborough 9pm slot…new execs in nbc news management
mui @ 145
For six or so years he has bothered about Aung San Suu Kyi except to make empty statements about democracy and her imprisonment. While he was babbling, there were NGOs delivering humanitarian supplies to the village people. No support came from Bush.
As long as US and British corporations were there, little mention was made of human rights abuses, but now that China is a major supplier (largest arms supplier) and purchases large supplies of oil, BushCo takes notice. Is this really about China?
tsf@174
thanks for linking…i’m still trying to shed my luddite boots lol
i’m gonna miss trex’s guest, gotta go to sleep now…………
be well firepups. and fight fairly…………..
QuakerGirl @ 179
With this administration, it’s either money (well, power – power to get more money) or distraction.
If anyone is interested, it looks like tonights (in nine minutes) conference call with the Hillary camp is to line up what will be discussed on Thursday at 4:45 PT.
Dan Abrams Oj re enactor is still general manager of msgop
he is the peter principle squared
juslin @ 178
Have you seen ‘Morning Joe’? Awful. Really, really awful. Boring, bad jokes, embarassing flirting. A snoozefest. My tv is set to msnbc but, I have given him long enough. He’s not good at his knew assignment. And Mika (I’m sorry to say) is equally boring. Says nearly nothing.
QG –
I did not know that; what an interesting way for W to challenge China’s hegemony without a lot of people paying attention — except, of course, the Chinese.
Say huh?
I thought it was that author?
I just got here.
QuakerGirl @ 179
Haim Saban seems to be her biggest financial backer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Saban
Also, per Glenn Greenwald: http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Loo Hoo. @ 183
????
while we’re occupied with the ME – china is gaining rapidly on the world’s stage….we think in terms of a few years china thinks in loooooooooong times andddd they have the patience and time to overtake us….perhaps thats why we’re trying to colonize outer space just saying…..
During Bush’s UN speech, specifically calling out Iran:
wigwam @ 188
A “Who’s Who” of liberalism that list is. (gag)
I had my head in a Dan Brown novel (I know, it’s crap stuff, but it’s what I needed )all afternoon and pointed the Mr. to the Bush/Hussein article.
Is Mr. Graham still coming?
wigwam @ 188
Quaker Girl, I know what you mean. Entire foreign policy establishment seems to think that US foreign policy should be based on expansionism. US has the right to bomb any one because we are a beacon of freedom and democracy, and we are the good guys.
SeamusD @ 194
When America does it, it’s not illegal…
bobschacht @ 128
Actually this business of the Grimms gathering tales is a bit of a myth in itself – the number of sources is really quite limited, and the tales were well polished by the time they reached publication. Many of the Grimm’s stories were already a few steps away from the folk sources. – Not of course to take away from the quality of the stories. I’m doing some translations from Grimm for my own amusement and really enjoying this.
TRex and Graham…
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..e/#respond
oddmommy @ 122
I know, I’m late to the party – no links that I know of, but I will check with my friend about publication dates and keep an eye out for you later.
wigwam @ 188
Wigwam -
Boy, Am I glad I asked. Thank you so much. Please keep us informed whenever you find out who she is courting. Greatly appreciated.
rsvp hillary- time to include us.
money maker using bill for a raffle.
msnbc debate tomorrow night.
50th anniversary little rock
katrina alive for hill.
holds leads in many states.
grishom working for hill.
healthcare for all americans-see website.
union presidents endorse hill.
juslin @ 190
Sorry that disturbs me a little the way you put it. First I doubt China will “overtake.” They are hampered by a multitude of their own problems. Second 1/4 billion. Let’s move on to a new century, you can live peaceful with us sinos and confederates you won’t have to colonize space. But if that’s what you want . . .
Since Late Nite has us staying on topic while our guest is visiting, please hang here for off topic stuff.
GordonM @ 182
And this is about China how exactly?
Hi all, would hate to post this on a guest thread and I think it belongs here anyway:
Bambi vs. Godzilla
enjoy!
i probably am not saying this eloquently but china imo willif not overtake us tho i think its possible…the iran crisis will be important as china is in iraq’s corner….no proof just a big hunch
Is anyone still here? Other thread is too serious.
juslin @ 205
well Rice dislikes China, I think. She comes from the old school of commie hating apparently. China’s economy is expanding true, and they need energy sources to produce Walmart trinkets. And a navy to safeguard energy sources. China has rocky relations with the neighbors historically. Russians can’t trust them as far as you can throw them, &etc.
Remember China is not monolithic. It is diverse and dissonant. “The Chinese” are a diaspora, America, Australia, Singapore, HK, Taiwan, etc. So many players in the play, noone knows how it will pan out in the Mainland. Instead of fearing, like Rice and the neocons, it is better to deconstruct China & watch.
SnarKassandra @ 206
Evening Snarky,
I’m toggling back and forth, but will probably be heading off my computer soon. Did you click on my linky yet (bambi)?
Also, when you have time, ya really ought to check out the very serious article by Patrick Graham if you can stick with a pretty long article (six pages). I think it’s very interesting to get a reporter on the ground perspective, esp. non American. I’m sure it’s linked by TRex. Just a thought.
Lots of new posts!
http://frecklescassie.wordpress.com/
Oh wow.
Hi Snarkassandra
mui @ 210
I am not gonna write about Iran but thanks.
night
SnarKassandra @ 209
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Cassie: Nice new posts, nice mix of topics! Glad you’re helping keep alive the story of beauty pageant scholarship fraud…disgusting stuff.
Thanks CD
SnarKassandra @ 211
SnarKassandra @ 211
I wasn’t suggesting that you do. I was trying to respond to an earlier comment. And then say hi.
oh ok.
Crap I hate opera and dialup. toxic combo.