Jane!

Is it safe?

Shuster and KO:

The only sets of stones in MSM.

Hello Jane…

Blackburn is unsurprisingly a social conservative who prefers to be called “Congressman Blackburn” and she was considered a top candidate for Governor of Tennessee in 2010.

Any woman who prefers to be addressed with a male title is someone I cannot handle.

I watched this twice; I had to stop the first time because of her prattling (great word, Jane). David Shuster is a helluva of a commentator. Tell me again, why Tucker Carlson is even allowed on TV let alone have his own show?

damn! so that’s what a free media looks like!

so thats what an adversarial journalist can do to a hypocritical politician!

more.of.THAT!

Smack!

Jane thanks for all you do. Hope you are well.

MSNBC’s programing decision re: David Shuster may have to wait for new manager:

MSNBC said today that Dan Abrams, who has been the host of a 9 p.m. news hour called “Live with Dan Abrams” temporarily since July, will stay in the job permanently, leaving behind the managerial position he had occupied for a little over a year.

Blackburn seems ignorant, self-righteous, narrow-minded, and holier than thou…just hopeless.

Wordsmith @ 5

Blackburn is unsurprisingly a social conservative who prefers to be called “Congressman Blackburn” and she was considered a top candidate for Governor of Tennessee in 2010.

Any woman who prefers to be addressed with a male title is someone I cannot handle.

I watched this twice; I had to stop the first time because of her prattling (great word, Jane). David Shuster is a helluva of a commentator. Tell me again, why Tucker Carlson is even allowed on TV let alone have his own show?

My guess is he has some juicy blackmail pics of someone in authority at MSNBC/NBC/GE. YMMV

Jane Hamsher:

Thanks for making that point in the last paragraph. Enough befuddlement about why they don’t give a shit about ratings.

Schuster is always the best guest correspondent on Countdown. I’d love to see him with his own show, and if they put him on after Keith, they could probably hang onto most of that audience. (If they were actually interested in making money, that is.)

I listened to Rush rant today about this “ambushing” of Blackburn. He told his listeners that the young man killed in Iraq wasn’t even from her district.

Just thought I would pass that on.

Senate to vote on Iraq division plan

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US Senate is expected to vote as early as Tuesday on a Bosnia-style plan to subdivide Iraq on ethnic lines, touted by backers as the sole hope of forging a federal state out of sectarian strife.

all hell will break loose.

The bipartisan Iraq Study Group, which delivered recommendations in December warned partition could trigger mass population flows, the collapse of the fragile Iraqi security forces and ethnic cleansing by strengthened militias.

Jane!!!

Hope you are well. You are the best

Call Senators about Lieberman-Kyl. I’m calling Reid at 202-224-3542 and thanking Webb at 202-224-4024. Embark on Armageddon with clean conscience.

Biodun @ 8

MSNBC’s programing decision re: David Shuster may have to wait for new manager:

MSNBC said today that Dan Abrams, who has been the host of a 9 p.m. news hour called “Live with Dan Abrams” temporarily since July, will stay in the job permanently, leaving behind the managerial position he had occupied for a little over a year.

Darn. Abrams is a big improvement over Scarborough, but that’s not saying much. But maybe if he’s taking over permanently, he’ll cast the bits of the old format that he’s retained and do something more with the show.

Wordsmith @ 5


Blackburn is unsurprisingly a social conservative who prefers to be called “Congressman Blackburn” and she was considered a top candidate for Governor of Tennessee in 2010.

Any woman who prefers to be addressed with a male title is someone I cannot handle.

I watched this twice; I had to stop the first time because of her prattling (great word, Jane). David Schuster is a helluva of a commentator. Tell me again, why Tucker Carlson is even allowed on TV let alone have his own show?

I remember Blackburn from the FISA vote. Payback is a to a bitch.

Re Tucker: Maybe he was originally to be considered comic distraction? Then MSNBC realized that there were wingnuts not only not getting the joke, but endorsing his warped little view?

Hey, what’s a little fascism between friends?

annie @ 14

Senate to vote on Iraq division plan

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US Senate is expected to vote as early as Tuesday on a Bosnia-style plan to subdivide Iraq on ethnic lines, touted by backers as the sole hope of forging a federal state out of sectarian strife.

all hell will break loose.

The bipartisan Iraq Study Group, which delivered recommendations in December warned partition could trigger mass population flows, the collapse of the fragile Iraqi security forces and ethnic cleansing by strengthened militias.

Iraq sovereignty?

Bobby C @ 13

I listened to Rush rant today about this “ambushing” of Blackburn. He told his listeners that the young man killed in Iraq wasn’t even from her district.

Just thought I would pass that on.

Gawd…and it doesn’t matter, because she still didn’t know the answer to the question, period. I’d like to know if she could have named 3 who have ever been killed from her district. She will never make that mistake again. I’ll bet she’s been frantically trying to memorize names..heh.

annie @ 14

Senate to vote on Iraq division plan

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US Senate is expected to vote as early as Tuesday on a Bosnia-style plan to subdivide Iraq on ethnic lines, touted by backers as the sole hope of forging a federal state out of sectarian strife.

all hell will break loose.

The bipartisan Iraq Study Group, which delivered recommendations in December warned partition could trigger mass population flows, the collapse of the fragile Iraqi security forces and ethnic cleansing by strengthened militias.

Yeah, and out of all the issues currently being fought over, this is the bill Barbara Boxer sent out email asking supporters to call in favor of. Feh.

I just love the way Shuster set her up for that smackdown. Just love it!

annie @ 14

Senate to vote on Iraq division plan

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US Senate is expected to vote as early as Tuesday on a Bosnia-style plan to subdivide Iraq on ethnic lines, touted by backers as the sole hope of forging a federal state out of sectarian strife.

all hell will break loose.

The bipartisan Iraq Study Group, which delivered recommendations in December warned partition could trigger mass population flows, the collapse of the fragile Iraqi security forces and ethnic cleansing by strengthened militias.

A few naifs around here persistently argued that there was something innocuously “inevitable” about that antiseptic sounding (to the historically illiterate) idea of “partition”. Well, now it doesn’t just have the imprimatur of Joe Biden and Tom Friedman.

We’re the Nazi Germany of the 21st century.

Congressperson Blackburn claims to take great interest in the military personnel who live in her district.

Anybody out there who can check with local vet’s groups and see how see has responded to their needs? Anybody out there with access to voting records that would show if she’s supported our troops and vets needs for equipment, health care, decent pay ? how many military families in her district need food stamps to get thru the month? Does Congressperson Blackburn take money from the usurious ‘pay day’ loan business that crowd the streets around virtually every base? How long is the wait for veterans to get health care at the local VA hospital?

I’m sure she’s from a very red district, but if a Dem steps up to challenge her, just to force her voting record and views out into the open, I’ll give up my iTunes budget until the election to support that Democrat.

Schuster often seems like an actual reporter, with a grasp of the facts that he’s not afraid to use, even in public. Good on him.

Yes indeed. The video is a CLASSIC example of how you ATTACK. You do not sit back and wait to make your wonderful little intellectual counter-points….you do not sit back and scoff and sniff at foolishness uttered by the opponent. You ATTACK! That means YOU define the battleground and the point of conflict.
Good for Shuster….but he’s a news guy. We (the Democrats) must not always rely upon a news guy to do our work for us. Democratic members of Congress must learn how to take the initiative. ARE YOU LISTENING, D teamers in Congress????

Ghostman

annie @ 14

Senate to vote on Iraq division plan

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US Senate is expected to vote as early as Tuesday on a Bosnia-style plan to subdivide Iraq on ethnic lines, touted by backers as the sole hope of forging a federal state out of sectarian strife.

all hell will break loose.

The bipartisan Iraq Study Group, which delivered recommendations in December warned partition could trigger mass population flows, the collapse of the fragile Iraqi security forces and ethnic cleansing by strengthened militias.

Buh-bye Kurds. Hello Turks.

Who would get Kirkuk? If that city goes to the Kurds, they get attacked on the other side by Sunni’s.

Brilliant idea.

Let me get this crooked straight:

First, the Senate voted to attack the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Now, the Senate will vote to partition Iraq along ethnic sectarian lines. One question though: Whowill enforce the partition? The US armed forces? And how are they gonna do that?

brendan @ 23

annie @ 14

Senate to vote on Iraq division plan

all hell will break loose.

A few naifs around here persistently argued that there was something innocuously “inevitable” about that antiseptic sounding (to the historically illiterate) idea of “partition”. Well, now it doesn’t just have the imprimatur of Joe Biden and Tom Friedman.

We’re the Nazi Germany of the 21st century.

Compartmentalization. It is exactly what Adolf did in Poland. Divide and conquer.

nomolos @ 19

annie @ 14

Senate to vote on Iraq division plan

all hell will break loose.

Iraq sovereignty?

The question mark says it all. They are sovereign until their colonial masters tell them different.

Bobby C @ 13

I listened to Rush rant today about this “ambushing” of Blackburn. He told his listeners that the young man killed in Iraq wasn’t even from her district.

Just thought I would pass that on.

The soldier was ambushed.
The ‘congresman’ was merely hornswoggled.

Bobby C @ 13

I listened to Rush rant today about this “ambushing” of Blackburn. He told his listeners that the young man killed in Iraq wasn’t even from her district.

Just thought I would pass that on.

So when a loyal Bushie is called on the carpet for something, she’s being AMBUSHED? (Or does she prefer to be called “He”?)

Okay, now I TOTALLY agree with Bill Maher when he says the current Republicans are just a bunch of crybabies.

(And if you haven’t heard it, it’s from this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41teI8A66p8 )

But of course. The troops to them are nameless, faceless, interchangeable, expendable automatons — less than human. So why would they bother to memorize their names?

Comey’s speech at Washington & Lee is up on CSPAN 3 just caught it dunno how long it’s been on.

OT for sure, but I thought the pups would find it interesting. Apparently, “Israel is looking to a U.S.-India nuclear deal to expand its own ties to suppliers, quietly lobbying for an exemption to non-proliferation rules so it can legally import atomic material..Besides India, only Pakistan and North Korea are known to have nuclear weapons and be outside the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Israel is considered an undeclared weapons state, with a doctrine of “nuclear ambiguity.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ear_israel

I watched the clip and loved every minute of it, especially when he repeated the point several times (just in case you didn’t get it the first time!) And I love David Schuster. He does more of his homework and remembers every nuance than any of the other reporters. What I like is that he deals with facts and doesn’t tend to drift into BS like most of the others. He’d be great in his own show, as I think he’s shown whenever he subs for Tucker. I just wish I knew when he would be on so I could watch him more. I don’t usually see any of Tucker if I can help it.

“Any woman who prefers to be addressed with a male title is someone I cannot handle.”

Wordsmith – question – Why?? I’ve been a draftsman before and see absolutely nothing wrong with being labeled as such. It’s a description of an occupation, not who the person is.

Jane!
Rushing by at the end of lunch hour:

1-Saw that Shuster/Blackburn piece – what a whiny spinner/idiot, etc. Congressman”? WTF?

2- Just made my calls to congressman (really) Lamar Smith (ugh, but that’s who it is, for now) on SCHIP, and Sen. Hutchison re Von Spakovsky. Hee hee. So satisfying. Surprisingly quick.
And now – back to the afternoon at work. I’ll catch up al the wonderul comments tonight.

OT, DHS number two resigns for “personal financial reasons.” couldn’t make ends meet at $168K per annum. From MSNBC

christine @ 36

“Any woman who prefers to be addressed with a male title is someone I cannot handle.”

Wordsmith – question – Why?? I’ve been a draftsman before and see absolutely nothing wrong with being labeled as such. It’s a description of an occupation, not who the person is.

Perhaps so, but it certainly smells like she feels that being called a “congresswoman” is somehow an insult.

Biodun @ 27

Let me get this crooked straight:

First, the Senate voted to attack the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Now, the Senate will vote to partition Iraq along ethnic sectarian lines. One question though: Whowill enforce the partition? The US armed forces? And how are they gonna do that?

The other thing is that this amendment is sponsored by Boxer, et al. WTF??

LS:

“Partition” is also ultimately the plan for Iran. The country’s oil, concentrated in Khuzestan, falls to an imagined Shiite Arab puppet state

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..6Ak01.html

while the rest of the state descends into an Iraq-style bloodbath among Persians and non-Persian ethnic minorities.

Here is that neoconservative fantasy map:
http://www.payvand.com/news/07/sep/1254.html

Israel is considered an undeclared weapons state, with a doctrine of “nuclear ambiguity.”

How positively Bush-ian.

“Will ah nuke Iran? Maybe I will – maybe I won’t…”

Jane!!

jane –

the above is one beautiful piece
of youtube-ic-ized un-spun-free-thinking. . .

t h a n k s!

now, check this nightly nolo – only
1:30! — of mcconnell, dissembling
today, before the senate judiciary
committee, under questioning from
chairman patrick leahy. . .

great work here fdl-pups!

p e a c e

Yep, that was a truly wholesome experience watching Shuster tackle ‘ol Blackeye Blackburn. When the segment was over I immediately drove to my local Giant Eagle grocery and stocked up on Swanson Dinners (for Tucker). Then e-mailed the Blackburn web site, incognito, twice. I wanted to speak with her staff today, but the line was always busy. Imagine that.

tejanarusa @ 37

Jane!
Rushing by at the end of lunch hour:

1-Saw that Shuster/Blackburn piece – what a whiny spinner/idiot, etc. Congressman”? WTF?

2- Just made my calls to congressman (really) Lamar Smith (ugh, but that’s who it is, for now) on SCHIP, and Sen. Hutchison re Von Spakovsky. Hee hee. So satisfying. Surprisingly quick.
And now – back to the afternoon at work. I’ll catch up al the wonderul comments tonight.

I think it’s quick to call them as all they do is mark a form yea or nay. At best.

peanutbutter @ 40:

Boxer puzzles me. Sometimes she can be so right on. And then other times…

Bobby C @ 13

I listened to Rush rant today about this “ambushing” of Blackburn. He told his listeners that the young man killed in Iraq wasn’t even from her district.

Just thought I would pass that on.

Rush is pathological. I know everyone here knows that. Schuster started the exchange with a clip of Rush making fun of Hagel’s name. He asks Blackburn if she wants to censure Rush in anyway and she demurs. Hah!

Rush also used his radio to sic his attack dogs listeners on Lantos during the very first minutes of the Petraeus hearings, lying about what Lantos was saying to his listeners and telling them that Lantos was insulting to the General etc. etc. Lantos’ office was bombarded with calls from all over the country, with rabid Rushies cussing at the staff all day long. All for Rush and his lies.

And I’ll bet Blackburn “works with families” by sending a form letter. Thanks for caring.

christine @ 36

It’s that she wants to be addressed as ‘Congressman’, even though she’s really ‘Congresswoman’. Not that it hasn’t been done before, with some titles, but I can think of only a few, and those not complimentary to her. (Pharoah Hatshepsut is first in mind.)

Toby Wollin @ 39

christine @ 36

“Any woman who prefers to be addressed with a male title is someone I cannot handle.”

Wordsmith – question – Why?? I’ve been a draftsman before and see absolutely nothing wrong with being labeled as such. It’s a description of an occupation, not who the person is.

Perhaps so, but it certainly smells like she feels that being called a “congresswoman” is somehow an insult.

True. I just really don’t care if the congress critter is called ‘congressman’ or ‘congresswoman’, but would probably go with congressman because I see it more as a job title. Then I wouldn’t also expect everyone to address me as congressman or congresswoman either. Both work for me. I guess I just come from an older time where fireman, policeman, draftsman, etc were seen as job titles or descriptions, not a lable of personal identity.

But, I’m glad some congress critter is being called to the carpet for what they’ve done!!

Biodun @ 27

Let me get this crooked straight:

First, the Senate voted to attack the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Now, the Senate will vote to partition Iraq along ethnic sectarian lines. One question though: Whowill enforce the partition? The US armed forces? And how are they gonna do that?

That’s a lot of borders to police.

MSNBC, with 50% ownership by one of the country’s biggest defense contractors, General Electric, probably has bigger fish to fry.

thanks for saying that
we are overdue for a conversation about whether it is appropriate for a defense contractor to own a news broadcast liscense

when I hear “congressman” I have to actively remember if that congressman is a senator or a representative, with the implication that a senator may have more stature. I believe the intent of insisting on congressman is a simple ploy to include oneself with the cool kids in the senate. JMHO

Thank you to Pvt. Jeremy S. Bohannon.

I’m glad Schuster called Blackburn on here policy/politcs.

selise asked late in the last thread:

selise says:
September 25th, 2007 at 12:02 pm

i’m completely behind on today’s events… anyone know if there’s been action on kyl/lieberman today? i just heard that in the house lantos’ bill to sanction iran was passed. i’ll check on that later, but was mostly concerned about the senate’s response to kyl/lieberman.

I’m not up to speed on what happened this morning either, selise, BUT for one HUGE development, thanks to a heads-up from perris via Think Progress:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..lieb-iran/

JIM WEBB DEFIED HIS CAUCUS LEADERSHIP TO TAKE A PRINCIPLED STAND ON IRAN, AND TO CONDEMN THE LIEBERMAN/KYL/ALEXANDER AMENDMENT!

This is extremely important for the cause of justice, and as a pull-back on the insane rush to indulge in more hateful and dangerous rhetoric about the Persian people in Iran and their ruler(s).

What I don’t yet know is whether the Lieberman/Kyl amendment about which Webb spoke this morning has yet made it to the floor. Same with the despicable Biden/Brownback/Boxer amendment, which ignores the 98% will of the Iraqi people who oppose an Iraq divided along sectarian lines – per the BBC/ABC/NHK poll – to advocate for the three-way partition of Iraq (even as the Executive Branch and its corporate army continues to force Iraq to splinter into as many as 18 different provinces).

I have been monitoring the Senate on C-SPAN2 since it returned from its 12:30-2:15 lunch break – Harry Reid made some motions (to recommit the Defense Authorization Bill to committee in order to add certain amendments, and to amend that motion) and called for the yeas and nays on same, and also moved to prevent any cloture motions for the rest of the day – but no roll call votes have yet been taken on those motions. No unanimous consent requests have come forward so far this afternoon. At 3:30 p.m., the Senate has just recessed again for an hour and a half to honor Robert Byrd (the Senate will return at 5:00 p.m.).

If no vote was held this morning on the Biden amendment – then SOME DEMOCRAT MUST HAVE OBJECTED behind the scenes to proceeding to that measure as originally planned. Last Friday, the plan was to vote today shortly after 10 a.m. on the Biden amendment, and to then proceed to the Lieberman/Kyl amendment. That UC request was then being drafted, according to Levin and Reid (and McCain). What I don’t know is whether that UCRequest came to the floor this morning, in revised form, or not. [I did briefly see Brownback spewing about Iran this morning doubtless in support of Lieberman/Kyl.]

Webb may have spoken before the UCRequest was proffered or passed. But, if in fact Webb spoke after the amendment was successfully brought up for debate, then the next obstacle that can be placed in its way is a 41-member Democratic filibuster of the Lieberman/Kyl propaganda, assuming the Democrats won’t stay united to oppose it by simple majority (see Levin, see Reid).

In the meantime: THANK YOU!! Senator Webb, from all the humane and law-abiding American citizens for whom you spoke this morning.

The Republicans LOVE the MoveOn ad — because it gives them an “issue,” which they’ve been desperate for. Their bitching is really ersatz-bitching — it plays well for their cult.

dakine01 @ 38

OT, DHS number two resigns for “personal financial reasons.” couldn’t make ends meet at $168K per annum. From MSNBC

Is “personal financial reasons” the new “spend more time with my family”?

Alice @ 52

MSNBC, with 50% ownership by one of the country’s biggest defense contractors, General Electric, probably has bigger fish to fry.

thanks for saying that
we are overdue for a conversation about whether it is appropriate for a defense contractor to own a news broadcast liscense

Kinda ties in with Liberty Lee’s VoertID rhetoric.

brendan @ 41

LS:

“Partition” is also ultimately the plan for Iran. The country’s oil, concentrated in Khuzestan, falls to an imagined Shiite Arab puppet state

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..6Ak01.html

while the rest of the state descends into an Iraq-style bloodbath among Persians and non-Persian ethnic minorities.

Here is that neoconservative fantasy map:
http://www.payvand.com/news/07/sep/1254.html

Holy smokes!! That map just about says it all. How terrifying. The neocons are not going to leave office, because they are hell bent on getting what they want. I feel sick.

And it’s just my two cents, but I think that a David Shuster show which had a more confrontational style with guests (a la, and I hate to say it, Bill O’Reilly) would be a perfect pairing with Keith Olbermann’s show — or at least it would be to any network that cared about ratings. MSNBC, with 50% ownership by one of the country’s biggest defense contractors, General Electric, probably has bigger fish to fry.

Dead right on all points. Ultimately, we need another network.

She’s got that smug fucking syrupy southern bullshit voice and she’d screw you in a heart beat.

What a bubblehead this woman is.

Fern @ 57

Is “personal financial reasons” the new “spend more time with my family”?

I think it’s code for “I’m getting off this sinking ship to make millions as a lobbyist corrupting the department I once worked in”

House Representative: Congressman/Congresswoman

Senator: Senator

One thing that struck me when I saw this on the tele yesterday was the last fallen soldier in the congress womans district was in early August. So one fallen soldier in roughly six weeks was beyond her ability to remember. And all she did was run for cover behind other soldiers families for the rest of the interview. Nice, really really nice.

christine @ 50

Toby Wollin @ 39

Perhaps so, but it certainly smells like she feels that being called a “congresswoman” is somehow an insult.

True. I just really don’t care if the congress critter is called ‘congressman’ or ‘congresswoman’, but would probably go with congressman because I see it more as a job title. Then I wouldn’t also expect everyone to address me as congressman or congresswoman either. Both work for me. I guess I just come from an older time where fireman, policeman, draftsman, etc were seen as job titles or descriptions, not a lable of personal identity.

But, I’m glad some congress critter is being called to the carpet for what they’ve done!!

Congesslut work?

Biodun @ 64

House Representative: Congressman/Congresswoman

Senator: Senator

But “Member of Congress” covers both

Like to see more of this video?. It is hard to imagine anyone defending their vote against freedom of speech. Nice to see people give any idiot politician a question they aren’t prepared for and then wait for an answer. It would be, well… journalism.

Shuster was clearly held in high regard by the other media folks at the Libby trial.

This is one hell of an interview. More please?

Hello again, this is from poster CDN Grit who posted this a few threads back (thanks!)

Somewhat off topic, but figured people here would like to see it. “How George Bush became the new Saddam” from McLeans.CA
linky

pow wow @ 55

thank you! for the great report. I hope selise is around. :)

dakine01 @ 67

Biodun @ 64

House Representative: Congressman/Congresswoman

Senator: Senator

But “Member of Congress” covers both

Yep. Since Congress means both House and Senate…

No doubt the wingnuts are hitting the fan after that interview. I hope Chris Matthews and others have Shuster’s back.

Re: Link from Redshift @17–now that Abrams is out as general manager, do we know anything about Phil Griffin, senior VP of NBC News, who is taking over the reins for now at MSNBC?

Also, re: NBC, found this interesting little tidbit in the personality news from WaPo the other day (9/22). Just a reminder of how cozy the relationship of NBC News “talent” with their GE “parent company:”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02088.html

“Meanwhile, NBC’s Tim Russert, Lisa Myers, and David Gregory dined with 13 others at Cafe Milano, toasting Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of General Electric, NBC’s parent company.”

Toby Wollin @ 39

christine @ 36

“Any woman who prefers to be addressed with a male title is someone I cannot handle.”

Wordsmith – question – Why?? I’ve been a draftsman before and see absolutely nothing wrong with being labeled as such. It’s a description of an occupation, not who the person is.

Perhaps so, but it certainly smells like she feels that being called a “congresswoman” is somehow an insult.

I agree. Calling someone a “chairman” or “congressman” in the abstract is one thing…..but a woman who insists on being referred to as a man, imo, has some serious “issues.”

unless, of course, she is in the process of being transgendered. Then it’s understandable.

dakine01 @ 67

Biodun @ 64

House Representative: Congressman/Congresswoman

Senator: Senator

But “Member of Congress” covers both

But Congressman’s member, is particular to Larry Craig?

I also think that David Shuster should have his own show! Let him replace Tucker Carlson who is a zero. ;o)

Let’s hear it for the democratization of MSNBC. HOOOraay.

Fern @ 51

Biodun @ 27

Let me get this crooked straight:

First, the Senate voted to attack the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Now, the Senate will vote to partition Iraq along ethnic sectarian lines. One question though: Whowill enforce the partition? The US armed forces? And how are they gonna do that?

That’s a lot of borders to police.

It’s not about enforcing a partition, it’s about endorsing one. It won’t be a about “policing” violence, it will be about incentivizing it. It’s about making the pulverization of a sovereign state the express goal of U.S. policy and lending that obscene goal the patina of respectability and “seriousness”: after all Iraq is “tribal”, “artificial” (Sykes-Picot!) and its breakup is “inevitable”: we’re just oh so gently shepherding the Iraqi people to their killing pens, er, safe havens.

Odd experience recently. Thousands of people, mostly older and whiter than the average, stood up at a cultural event while the orchestra played “The Star-spangled Banner”. They sang in full voice. It was a lovely sound. Why, then, did I have the sharp feeling as I listened that in 50 years or fewer that song would become hated internationally? Would it be because the country which once had had it as its anthem used up the resources of the world? Because it had not cared what happened to its own people, other countries’ people, other countries’ land? Because it had precipitated the collapse of not only civilized life, but life itself across much of the globe? Who is it who is left in 50 years to think these thoughts?

raven @ 66

christine @ 50

True. I just really don’t care if the congress critter is called ‘congressman’ or ‘congresswoman’, but would probably go with congressman because I see it more as a job title. Then I wouldn’t also expect everyone to address me as congressman or congresswoman either. Both work for me. I guess I just come from an older time where fireman, policeman, draftsman, etc were seen as job titles or descriptions, not a lable of personal identity.

But, I’m glad some congress critter is being called to the carpet for what they’ve done!!

Congesslut work?

LOLOLOLOLOL Sure, why not?!?!? Most of them are anyway.

Alice @ 52

MSNBC, with 50% ownership by one of the country’s biggest defense contractors, General Electric, probably has bigger fish to fry.

thanks for saying that
we are overdue for a conversation about whether it is appropriate for a defense contractor to own a news broadcast liscense

It’s a Media-opoly!

Speaking of Wingnut Barbeques, here’s Ehrenstein vs. Breitbart Round Two.

We’ll be here all week!

dakine01 @ 67

Biodun @ 64

House Representative: Congressman/Congresswoman

Senator: Senator

But “Member of Congress” covers both

I *like* it! MC for short, like MP in Britain…

brendan @ 77

It’s not about enforcing a partition, it’s about endorsing one. It won’t be a about “policing” violence, it will be about incentivizing it. It’s about making the pulverization of a sovereign state the express goal of U.S. policy and lending that obscene goal the patina of respectability and “seriousness”: after all Iraq is “tribal”, “artificial” (Sykes-Picot!) and its breakup is “inevitable”: we’re just oh so gently shepherding the Iraqi people to their killing pens, er, safe havens.

o.O
You scare me.

I would sort of object to Congresswoman, myself (but I would NOT lobby for Congressman, either). I prefer neutral terms and no distinction to be made. Senator, Governor, President all are good without modification. Even though “governess” exists, it’s not needed because governor is neutral enough to use both ways.

Anyway, I do like Member of Congress, and that’s what I’ll run with ;-)

behindthefall @ 78

Odd experience recently. Thousands of people, mostly older and whiter than the average, stood up at a cultural event while the orchestra played “The Star-spangled Banner”. They sang in full voice. It was a lovely sound. Why, then, did I have the sharp feeling as I listened that in 50 years or fewer that song would become hated internationally? Would it be because the country which once had had it as its anthem used up the resources of the world? Because it had not cared what happened to its own people, other countries’ people, other countries’ land? Because it had precipitated the collapse of not only civilized life, but life itself across much of the globe? Who is it who is left in 50 years to think these thoughts?

How about because in its offensive militarism the lyrics perfectly echoe the actions of the nation? There is plenty in that song to dislike.

Lou Costello @ 80

Alice @ 52

MSNBC, with 50% ownership by one of the country’s biggest defense contractors, General Electric, probably has bigger fish to fry.

thanks for saying that
we are overdue for a conversation about whether it is appropriate for a defense contractor to own a news broadcast liscense

It’s a Media-opoly!

that’s a classic.

I’ve always wondered how many really useful patents they’ve shelved for their own profit.

Fern @ 85

behindthefall @ 78

Odd experience recently. Thousands of people, mostly older and whiter than the average, stood up at a cultural event while the orchestra played “The Star-spangled Banner”. They sang in full voice. It was a lovely sound. Why, then, did I have the sharp feeling as I listened that in 50 years or fewer that song would become hated internationally? Would it be because the country which once had had it as its anthem used up the resources of the world? Because it had not cared what happened to its own people, other countries’ people, other countries’ land? Because it had precipitated the collapse of not only civilized life, but life itself across much of the globe? Who is it who is left in 50 years to think these thoughts?

How about because in its offensive militarism the lyriks perfectly echoe the actions of the nation? There is plenty in that song to dislike.

This country is no more disliked now than it was 40 years ago. If you don’t believ it you could look it up!

johnSwifty @ 75

dakine01 @ 67

But “Member of Congress” covers both

But Congressman’s member, is particular to Larry Craig?

Congressmember?

Excellent stuff! A journalist actually asking questions that are not softballs of a politician. Shuster knocked it out of the park!

I love it! I’m tempted to get a case of Chapstik and send it to her, cause the *sskissing must leave her with shredded lips!

Fern @ 85

behindthefall @ 78

Odd experience recently. Thousands of people, mostly older and whiter than the average, stood up at a cultural event while the orchestra played “The Star-spangled Banner”. They sang in full voice. It was a lovely sound. Why, then, did I have the sharp feeling as I listened that in 50 years or fewer that song would become hated internationally? Would it be because the country which once had had it as its anthem used up the resources of the world? Because it had not cared what happened to its own people, other countries’ people, other countries’ land? Because it had precipitated the collapse of not only civilized life, but life itself across much of the globe? Who is it who is left in 50 years to think these thoughts?

How about because in its offensive militarism the lyrics perfectly echoe the actions of the nation? There is plenty in that song to dislike.

It’s got too wide a vocal range to be liked in any case ;-)

MY preference is for This Land Is Your Land. It’s the *perfect* subversive song.

jwbaseball @ 89

Excellent stuff! A journalist actually asking questions that are not softballs of a politician. Shuster knocked it out of the park!

I hope people remember this the next time he pursues a not so direct path in his interviews. I think he does a really good job most of the time.

raven @ 87

Fern @ 85

How about because in its offensive militarism the lyriks perfectly echoe the actions of the nation? There is plenty in that song to dislike.

This country is no more disliked now than it was 40 years ago. If you don’t believ it you could look it up!

You won’t get an argument from me on that.

I’ve preferred “America The Beautiful” since Viet Nam.

dov12348 @ 56

The Republicans LOVE the MoveOn ad — because it gives them an “issue,” which they’ve been desperate for. Their bitching is really ersatz-bitching — it plays well for their cult.

I think that the flavor of the ad (but not its content) was something of a tactical error. But now that the republicans are working so hard to draw attention to it, I think that MoveOn should not back off and should make a real issue of Petraeus’s competence and character and the fact that his past performance and announced presidential aspirations make him fair game. There is lots of ammunition:
– What his chain of command says of him.
– What his troops say.
– His announced presidential aspirations.
– The fact that he injected himself into the 2004 campaign.
– His dubious statistics.
– The fact that he is being shaken down for protection money by Al Qaeda in Iraq (Greg Palast)
– The fact that he is arming opponents of the Iraqi government government, whom Bush described last week as an ally of the United States (address to the nation), and whose ability to protect its citizens is per Bush the central objective of our presence in Iraq (VFW speech).

behindthefall @ 78

Odd experience recently. Thousands of people, mostly older and whiter than the average, stood up at a cultural event while the orchestra played “The Star-spangled Banner”. They sang in full voice. It was a lovely sound. Why, then, did I have the sharp feeling as I listened that in 50 years or fewer that song would become hated internationally? Would it be because the country which once had had it as its anthem used up the resources of the world? Because it had not cared what happened to its own people, other countries’ people, other countries’ land? Because it had precipitated the collapse of not only civilized life, but life itself across much of the globe? Who is it who is left in 50 years to think these thoughts?

I know what you mean. Instead of being the world’s protectors of freedom, champions of the underdog, we are now oppressors (some will argue we always were) but now every one knows it. and if they don’t they are in serious denial.

My own odd experience was realizing that I feel, er, stronger powerful resentment when I see our President on the TV than when I see a picture of Iran’s President….that’s weird.

itwasntme @ 94

I’ve preferred “America The Beautiful” since Viet Nam.

not “Onward Christian Soldiers” ?

peanutbutter @ 91

Fern @ 85

How about because in its offensive militarism the lyrics perfectly echoe the actions of the nation? There is plenty in that song to dislike.

It’s got too wide a vocal range to be liked in any case ;-)

MY preference is for This Land Is Your Land. It’s the *perfect* subversive song.

You’re funny.

And don’t forget the awkward intervals.

My latest letter from MoveOn said they’ve gotten about $1.6 million since the ker-fuffle over the ad.

raven @ 87

Fern @ 85

How about because in its offensive militarism the lyriks perfectly echoe the actions of the nation? There is plenty in that song to dislike.

This country is no more disliked now than it was 40 years ago. If you don’t believ it you could look it up!

I don’t believe it and I’ll let you look it up ;)

itwasntme @ 94

I’ve preferred “America The Beautiful” since Viet Nam.

Sung by Ray. . .none better.

peanutbutter @ 91

It’s got too wide a vocal range to be liked in any case ;-)

MY preference is for This Land Is Your Land. It’s the *perfect* subversive song.

*G* I beg your pardon, but since I have a 3 octave range, the US National Anthem isn’t difficult to sing…

Now _This Land is Your Land_ is fun, but I’ve always been fond of _America, the Beautiful_ or _My Country ‘Tis Of Thee_.

Actually, tho I’m no longer a religious person, my favorite hymn was “Onward Christian Soldiers.” It had a great beat, and you coulf really dance to it.

My Country “Tis of Thee??? That’s…that’s “God Save the Queen”!

itwasntme @ 99

My latest letter from MoveOn said they’ve gotten about $1.6 million since the ker-fuffle over the ad.

Wow! 1.6 million units of validation for moveon.org. any reference publicly? jeepers, that’s good news. and I didn’t read it in the NYTimes.

raven @ 101

itwasntme @ 94

I’ve preferred “America The Beautiful” since Viet Nam.

Sung by Ray. . .none better.

Ray sings it

twȝk @ 88

johnSwifty @ 75

But Congressman’s member, is particular to Larry Craig?

Congressmember?

It would explain what the current congress has been doing to the American public, of late. Christy’s post, earlier, about the potential behind the scenes dealings by Chuck Schumer over the Von Spakovsky appointment make me ill. They haven’t even kissed us first!

itwasntme @ 103

Actually, tho I’m no longer a religious person, my favorite hymn was “Onward Christian Soldiers.” It had a great beat, and you coulf really dance to it.

You know, I woke up with that one running through my brain a couple of mornings ago. After not being in church for 30 years. and it took two days to kill that earworm.

So… thanks.

itwasntme @ 94

I’ve preferred “America The Beautiful” since Viet Nam.

“We Gotta Get Out of this Place” was the favorite of the “troops”!

Any gendered job title (such as congressman or yes, draftsman) is basically biased, sexist language. You should either refer to the title by the gender of the person (congressman/congresswoman) or go with a neutral version (congressperson).

itwasntme @ 103

Actually, tho I’m no longer a religious person, my favorite hymn was “Onward Christian Soldiers.” It had a great beat, and you coulf really dance to it.

laughing!

More and better journalists, please.

Biodun @ 27

Let me get this crooked straight:

First, the Senate voted to attack the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Now, the Senate will vote to partition Iraq along ethnic sectarian lines. One question though: Whowill enforce the partition? The US armed forces? And how are they gonna do that?

Gee, that oil deal Bush’s buddy signed with the Kurds a couple weeks ago doesn’t look so speculative anymore.

Maybe he knew something no one else did? Do you smell backroom deal?????

Brisingamen @ 102

peanutbutter @ 91

It’s got too wide a vocal range to be liked in any case ;-)

MY preference is for This Land Is Your Land. It’s the *perfect* subversive song.

*G* I beg your pardon, but since I have a 3 octave range, the US National Anthem isn’t difficult to sing…

Now _This Land is Your Land_ is fun, but I’ve always been fond of _America, the Beautiful_ or _My Country ‘Tis Of Thee_.

:-)
America the Beautiful works.

I just adore TLIYL, is all ;-)
Besides, such a wonderful poke in the eyes of exactly the types in the neocon and hyperrich circles…

Shuster’s bosses have realized that the only guy whose ratings are spiking is Olbermann, whose show has an in-your-face left wing POV, so despite the GOP bias of the corporate owners, they’re allowing some of their “journalists” to take the other side. Because, more than politics, it’s all about the benjamins.

The $1.6 million is impressive, and gives truth to Digby’s post today urging group action to show our massive influence, rather than emphasize individual contributions to yr favorite candidate.

dakine01 @ 106

raven @ 101

Sung by Ray. . .none better.

Ray sings it

That’s pretty cool. If I were running for office, I’d pick Ray’s Hit the Road, Jack as my campaign song.

johnSwifty @ 107

twȝk @ 88

Congressmember?

It would explain what the current congress has been doing to the American public, of late. Christy’s post, earlier, about the potential behind the scenes dealings by Chuck Schumer over the Von Spakovsky appointment make me ill. They haven’t even kissed us first!

:S Too true!

do-si-do @ 117

dakine01 @ 106

Ray sings it

That’s pretty cool. If I were running for office, I’d pick Ray’s Hit the Road, Jack as my campaign song.

I guess if you say so
I’ll have to pack my things and go

THAT”S RIGHT!

Instead of being the world’s protectors of freedom, champions of the underdog, we are now oppressors (some will argue we always were) but now every one knows it. and if they don’t they are in serious denial.

There may be a little bit of believing your own propaganda going on here.

itwasntme @ 103

Actually, tho I’m no longer a religious person, my favorite hymn was “Onward Christian Soldiers.” It had a great beat, and you coulf really dance to it.

Did we just take the Wayback machine to American Bandstand?

So congress doesn’t want to micro manage the war/occupation? Then why are they doing it?

dalloway @ 115

Shuster’s bosses have realized that the only guy whose ratings are spiking is Olbermann, whose show has an in-your-face left wing POV, so despite the GOP bias of the corporate owners, they’re allowing some of their “journalists” to take the other side. Because, more than politics, it’s all about the benjamins.

Politics and money are mutually exclusive? Her point is that the payoff to GE in getting the GOP elected, and therefore getting to write legislation, dwarfs anything they get from people watching.

er..wayback machine? American Bandstand? No! No! I’m much too young to remember that, aren’t I?

Elliott @ 33

Comey’s speech at Washington & Lee is up on CSPAN 3 just caught it dunno how long it’s been on.

Elliot,
Is it a speech or is he part of a panel discussion on the USpreme Court and regulatory law/ That’s all I can find.

raven @ 119

do-si-do @ 117

That’s pretty cool. If I were running for office, I’d pick Ray’s Hit the Road, Jack as my campaign song.

I guess if you say so
I’ll have to pack my things and go

THAT”S RIGHT!

And dontcha come back no more, no more, no more, no more!

;)

TeddySanFran @ 112

More and better journalists, please.

Makes me wonder what happened to all of these folks. I mean, when they got started, I’m sure none of them said, “Oh, my goal is really to be a shill for whoever is in power in the White House…” No one goes into this because what they’d really want to be is in PR…

looseheadprop @ 113

Gee, that oil deal Bush’s buddy signed with the Kurds a couple weeks ago doesn’t look so speculative anymore.

Maybe he knew something no one else did? Do you smell backroom deal?????

Once you give into the wholesome goodness of conspiracy theory and that the entire geo-political arena is a big backroom deal; then, you start to be amazed when the overt aspects of the operation even appear to affect real world events in the very least. Imagine how weird it would actually seem if this current congress passed a bill that affected reality in some way. Wyrd?

MayDaze @ 121

itwasntme @ 103

Actually, tho I’m no longer a religious person, my favorite hymn was “Onward Christian Soldiers.” It had a great beat, and you coulf really dance to it.

Did we just take the Wayback machine to American Bandstand?

Fern @ 120

Instead of being the world’s protectors of freedom, champions of the underdog, we are now oppressors (some will argue we always were) but now every one knows it. and if they don’t they are in serious denial.

There may be a little bit of believing your own propaganda going on here.

Guilty.

To: Congressional Staff
Fr: Hill PR Flak
Re: Crib Sheet

Please add “last soldier to die from district” to daily crib that already includes price of

-gallon of milk
-gallon of gas
-avg home in district

raven @ 129

MayDaze @ 121

Did we just take the Wayback machine to American Bandstand?

For a good time click on wayback!

do-si-do @ 126

raven @ 119

I guess if you say so
I’ll have to pack my things and go

THAT”S RIGHT!

And dontcha come back no more, no more, no more, no more!

;)

along those lines, I’m kinda partial to Nancy Sinatra’s “Shoes Are Made For Walking.”
“You keep lying when you should be truthin…”

looseheadprop @ 125

Elliott @ 33

Comey’s speech at Washington & Lee is up on CSPAN 3 just caught it dunno how long it’s been on.

Elliot,
Is it a speech or is he part of a panel discussion on the Supreme Court and regulatory law/ That’s all I can find.

It was a panel about Justice Powell, so that sounds like it!

itwasntme @ 124

er..wayback machine? American Bandstand? No! No! I’m much too young to remember that, aren’t I?

Uhm, I blush to admit, but I remember when American Bandstand was on every afternoon for two hours. (Mom used to iron clothes while watching it…)

Don’t hold your breath waiting for the Tennessee media to cover this, though; they loves them some Marsha Blackburn down in the rich suburbs of Memphis and Nashville (hundreds of miles apart, btw — how’s that for a gerrymandered district?).

117, 126

I suppose you could get earwormed by ‘The Zombie Feeds Tonight’, like I have been.
A-zombi-weh, a-zombi-weh….
(I’d kill the person who did it, but it seems, somehow, redundant.)

itwasntme @ 116

The $1.6 million is impressive, and gives truth to Digby’s post today urging group action to show our massive influence, rather than emphasize individual contributions to yr favorite candidate.

Wow. MoveOn’s total is now over 1.7 million.

Exact number: $1,719,992.58

well, finally some headway and we ARE making a differance, check out this from think progress

White House backs down, withdraws CIA nominee. The White House has withdrawn the nomination of John Rizzo to become General Counsel at the CIA. Rizzo’s nomination had elicited a fury of outrage from key senators and human rights and advocacy groups. The anger stemmed form Rizzo’s refusal at a June confirmation hearing to disavow his approval of a 2002 memo that stretched the definition of torture. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), who spearheaded the efforts against Rizzo, said the White House should take some lessons from this before sending up its next nominee:

“I hope that the administration’s next nominee for the position demonstrates greater respect for the rule of law and a firmer commitment to making sure that our nation’s counterterrorism programs have the strong legal foundation that they deserve,” Wyden said.

so bush is learning the meaning of ‘behave yourself”

let’s see how far that goes

Deacon Blues @ 136

Don’t hold your breath waiting for the Tennessee media to cover this, though; they loves them some Marsha Blackburn down in the rich suburbs of Memphis and Nashville (hundreds of miles apart, btw — how’s that for a gerrymandered district?).

Sup Deac, where ya bean frijole?

raven @ 132

raven @ 129

For a good time click on wayback!

Very cool!

Biodun @ 27

Let me get this crooked straight:

First, the Senate voted to attack the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Now, the Senate will vote to partition Iraq along ethnic sectarian lines. One question though: Whowill enforce the partition? The US armed forces? And how are they gonna do that?

The U.S. doesn’t have to “enforce” a partition. The whole point of this euphemism of “inevitability” is that it’s easy to support existing sectarian militias in their aims of ethnic cleansing than to try to jerry-rig a puppet central government. It would have been nice to have a single puppet government, but that’s not realistic and never was. “Chaos” wasn’t a goal of invading, or a Plan B: partition was.

brendan @ 123

dalloway @ 115

Shuster’s bosses have realized that the only guy whose ratings are spiking is Olbermann, whose show has an in-your-face left wing POV, so despite the GOP bias of the corporate owners, they’re allowing some of their “journalists” to take the other side. Because, more than politics, it’s all about the benjamins.

Politics and money are mutually exclusive? Her point is that the payoff to GE in getting the GOP elected, and therefore getting to write legislation, dwarfs anything they get from people watching.

Return on investment from putting money into Republicans beats nearly anything else out there.

oddmommy @ 133

do-si-do @ 126

And dontcha come back no more, no more, no more, no more!

;)

along those lines, I’m kinda partial to Nancy Sinatra’s “Shoes Are Made For Walking.”
“You keep lying when you should be truthin…”

Sinatra’s “these boots are made for walking” is the worst earworm of all time! ACK!!

looseheadprop @ 113

Biodun @ 27

Let me get this crooked straight:

First, the Senate voted to attack the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Now, the Senate will vote to partition Iraq along ethnic sectarian lines. One question though: Whowill enforce the partition? The US armed forces? And how are they gonna do that?

Gee, that oil deal Bush’s buddy signed with the Kurds a couple weeks ago doesn’t look so speculative anymore.

Maybe he knew something no one else did? Do you smell backroom deal?????

Of course he did. He serves on the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, where Richard Perle previously got his own company’s inside information. It’s the Bush cronies’ inside track.

oddmommy @ 133

along those lines, I’m kinda partial to Nancy Sinatra’s “Shoes Are Made For Walking.”
“You keep lying when you should be truthin…”

That’s _These Boots Were Made For Walkin’_ and when Nancy Sinatra recorded it, the joke was the final sax solo was done by — “Boots” Randolph.

(If you listen closely, you’ll hear Nancy say — “Ok, Boots — start walking!” just before the solo.)

Brisingamen @ 135

itwasntme @ 124

er..wayback machine? American Bandstand? No! No! I’m much too young to remember that, aren’t I?

Uhm, I blush to admit, but I remember when American Bandstand was on every afternoon for two hours. (Mom used to iron clothes while watching it…)

yay! Finally, something I AM too young to remember.
(my Mom ironed clothes to some ’70’s afternoon talk show host, think his name was Mike Douglas)

Called Reid’s office. Staffer unfamiliar with Kyl-Lieberman.

raven @ 140

Deacon Blues @ 136

Don’t hold your breath waiting for the Tennessee media to cover this, though; they loves them some Marsha Blackburn down in the rich suburbs of Memphis and Nashville (hundreds of miles apart, btw — how’s that for a gerrymandered district?).

Sup Deac, where ya bean frijole?

Been here, getting over a crappy cold, quietly seething over Bushworld. You know how it goes. :)

Brendan@123:
I agree completely. All I meant was, corporations have no political convictions. They’ll do whatever it takes (eavesdrop on citizens, let Shuster BBQ a Repub, meet Larry Craig in the Mens Room) to shovel more $$$$ their way.

Brisingamen @ 146

oddmommy @ 133

along those lines, I’m kinda partial to Nancy Sinatra’s “Shoes Are Made For Walking.”
“You keep lying when you should be truthin…”

That’s _These Boots Were Made For Walkin’_ and when Nancy Sinatra recorded it, the joke was the final sax solo was done by — “Boots” Randolph.

(If you listen closely, you’ll hear Nancy say — “Ok, Boots — start walking!” just before the solo.)

I always thought she was talking to her footwear, not her saxman. *g*

TeddySanFran @ 145

looseheadprop @ 113

Gee, that oil deal Bush’s buddy signed with the Kurds a couple weeks ago doesn’t look so speculative anymore.

Maybe he knew something no one else did? Do you smell backroom deal?????

Of course he did. He serves on the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, where Richard Perle previously got his own company’s inside information. It’s the Bush cronies’ inside track.

By the way, Perle’s little freebooting operation is “Trireme Partners”, which I take to be a sly and superficially erudite allusion to the Battle of Salamis. Get it? Israel is Athens and the Persians are…

brendan @ 148

Called Reid’s office. Staffer unfamiliar with Kyl-Lieberman.

now that’s just scary.

Elliott @ 144

oddmommy @ 133

along those lines, I’m kinda partial to Nancy Sinatra’s “Shoes Are Made For Walking.”
“You keep lying when you should be truthin…”

Sinatra’s “these boots are made for walking” is the worst earworm of all time! ACK!!

you’re right, it is.
I can still remember being infected by it when I was pregnant with my son, more than 9 years ago.

I wonder what David had planned had she known the last name? Might have been even better. Guess we’ll never know….

Elliott @ 144

Sinatra’s “these boots are made for walking” is the worst earworm of all time! ACK!!

No the winner, hands down, is a certain “little” Disney song Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned — or it will haunt you for days!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trireme

albert fall @ 3

Shuster and KO:

The only sets of stones in MSM.

Yup.

oddmommy @ 154

Elliott @ 144

Sinatra’s “these boots are made for walking” is the worst earworm of all time! ACK!!

you’re right, it is.
I can still remember being infected by it when I was pregnant with my son, more than 9 years ago.

he doesn’t have a thing about boots now, does he?

brendan @ 142

Biodun @ 27

Let me get this crooked straight:

First, the Senate voted to attack the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Now, the Senate will vote to partition Iraq along ethnic sectarian lines. One question though: Whowill enforce the partition? The US armed forces? And how are they gonna do that?

The U.S. doesn’t have to “enforce” a partition. The whole point of this euphemism of “inevitability” is that it’s easy to support existing sectarian militias in their aims of ethnic cleansing than to try to jerry-rig a puppet central government. It would have been nice to have a single puppet government, but that’s not realistic and never was. “Chaos” wasn’t a goal of invading, or a Plan B: partition was.

OK, I’m confused. A few years back (gosh, has it been that long /s) Condi said partitions were “off the table”. small table, that one.

who is for partitions and why now? any linky?

like I said, i’m confused.

pow wow @ 55 –

thank you pow wow! what a great video clip (webb explaining why the kyl/lieberman amendment is a very bad idea).

i called my senators this afternoon about this and was told that kennedy has not made up his mind how he is going to vote… and that kerry plans to vote AGAINST it!! woo hoo!

didn’t know about the evil biden amendment… so didn’t ask about that one.

i’ve still got a little bit of time to make some calls to the rules committee to request a “no” vote on Hans Von Spakovsky.

back to the phone…

brendan @ 148

Called Reid’s office. Staffer unfamiliar with Kyl-Lieberman.

These reports, and there’ve been many, just slay me.

Hill Office Managers: Please give the interns or volunteers a cribsheet each morning that sez, “Folks might be calling about these ten things. You should at least try to sound familiar with them, and read the descriptions on your breaks.”

Magna Carta to go on sale in New York

The royal charter, dated 1297 and bearing the seal of King Edward I, is expected to fetch up to 30 million dollars when it goes under the hammer at Sotheby’s in New York, the auction house said in a statement Tuesday.

Just another “goddam piece of paper”?… Or “Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose”…

Brisingamen @ 156

Elliott @ 144

Sinatra’s “these boots are made for walking” is the worst earworm of all time! ACK!!

No the winner, hands down, is a certain “little” Disney song Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned — or it will haunt you for days!

and I didn’t mention it either !!
but now all these little children are wearing boots all over this small world, after all.

Fern @ 57

dakine01 @ 38

OT, DHS number two resigns for “personal financial reasons.” couldn’t make ends meet at $168K per annum. From MSNBC

Is “personal financial reasons” the new “spend more time with my family”?

Or is it that Larry Flynt or the DC Madame has his number?

neokneme @ 163

Magna Carta to go on sale in New York

The royal charter, dated 1297 and bearing the seal of King Edward I, is expected to fetch up to 30 million dollars when it goes under the hammer at Sotheby’s in New York, the auction house said in a statement Tuesday.

Just another “goddam piece of paper”?… Or “Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose”…

Maybe W or Cheenee will buy it to hang on their trophy wall.

neokneme @ 163

Magna Carta to go on sale in New York

The royal charter, dated 1297 and bearing the seal of King Edward I, is expected to fetch up to 30 million dollars when it goes under the hammer at Sotheby’s in New York, the auction house said in a statement Tuesday.

Just another “goddam piece of paper”?… Or “Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose”…

US Constitution on the Clearance Rack.

Brisingamen @ 156

Elliott @ 144

Sinatra’s “these boots are made for walking” is the worst earworm of all time! ACK!!

No the winner, hands down, is a certain “little” Disney song Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned — or it will haunt you for days!

M I C – whoops!

Elliott @ 164

and I didn’t mention it either !!
but now all these little children are wearing boots all over this small world, after all.

AAAAAAAUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Phoenix Woman @ 158

albert fall @ 3

Shuster and KO:

The only sets of stones in MSM.

Yup.

Helen Thomas has a couple of sets, too!

ccmask @ 155

I wonder what David had planned had she known the last name? Might have been even better. Guess we’ll never know….

Maybe his producer had Mrs. Bohannon holding on the phone…. “Congresswoman, would you like to tell this soldier’s mother how the MoveOn ad hurt her Jeremy?”

TeddySanFran @ 162

brendan @ 148

Called Reid’s office. Staffer unfamiliar with Kyl-Lieberman.

These reports, and there’ve been many, just slay me.

Hill Office Managers: Please give the interns or volunteers a cribsheet each morning that sez, “Folks might be calling about these ten things. You should at least try to sound familiar with them, and read the descriptions on your breaks.”

I don’t know if I heard him correctly, but I think he said he was getting lots of calls.

itwasntme @ 157

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trireme

Out of business 2005.

MayDaze @ 168

Brisingamen @ 156

No the winner, hands down, is a certain “little” Disney song Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned — or it will haunt you for days!

M I C – whoops!

K E Y – why? because we love you!

TeddySanFran @ 171

ccmask @ 155

I wonder what David had planned had she known the last name? Might have been even better. Guess we’ll never know….

Maybe his producer had Mrs. Bohannon holding on the phone…. “Congresswoman, would you like to tell this soldier’s mother how the MoveOn ad hurt her Jeremy?”

Oh Teddy! Perfect.

I mentioned this bit from Shuster in the last thread, tying it to Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein/Greenspan and Scahill/Blackwater. It’s so great to see real shout outs and smack downs on TV.

Shuster caught her with the nasty upper cut about the last soldier from her district to die in Iraq, and she reeled back onto her talking points. Part of the fun was that she never saw the punch coming, almost as if no network media person has taken a shot at a Repub like that in a decade or more. We’re so used to seeing it come from the other side, relentless, day after day, and it’s strange to see how effective it is when works the other way.

Obviously Shuster knocked her out with that blow, but in some ways I was hoping for even a little more follow-up. He kept hitting her with the same punch, and of course it was effective. But he never said, “the issue I’m raising is that you’re taking the time to push the MoveOn issue to paint the NYT with the same brush, and your Talking Point is about staying in close contact with soldiers from your district–not close enough to know the name of the last soldier from your district to die in Iraq, but let’s get past that point–but don’t you think your time is better spent in building genuine relationships with the military on that base, with the actual troopers who are fighting and dying, than worrying about the ad rates that MoveOn paid the NYT? What’s the total number of soldiers from your district who have died? And what’s your analysis of General Petraeus’ statistics and methodology for judging sectarian violence and “progress” in Iraq–on behalf of those soldiers, and a critical image of General Petraeus aside, don’t you have any of the same questions that MoveOn is raising in its ads? What exactly are those soldiers, from your district that you’re in contact with, fighting for?

itwasntme @ 157

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trireme

Thanks for confirming that. I’m superficially erudite myself and was going out on a limb there.

LS @ 166

neokneme @ 163

Magna Carta to go on sale in New York

Just another “goddam piece of paper”?… Or “Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose”…

Maybe W or Cheenee will buy it to hang on their trophy wall.

707

I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that Lindsay Graham doesn’t know the names of any of his fallen families either. ugh.

Oh they just care so much and work so hard with the families. spit.

Hmmmmm.

“In Tulsa, Oklahoma, the John Pickle Company reaped profits for years making pressure tanks used by oil refineries and power plants. Feeling squeezed by foreign competition and government regulations, JPC partnered with an Indian and Kuwaiti firm to import workers from India. Under the guise of a “training program,” fifty-three workers, including college-educated Uday Ludbe, came to the United States, only to have their documents confiscated and to find themselves confined to a factory building. Pickle laid off Americans and paid the Indians three dollars an hour.

Saipan, a U.S. commonwealth in the Western Pacific where the author lived for three years, has long been exempted from American immigration controls, tariffs, and federal income tax–a status quo assiduously protected by lobbyist Jack Abramoff and Congressman Tom DeLay. There, garment magnates–selling to clothing giants like the Gap and Target–live in luxury while thousands of foreign factory workers, 90 percent of them female, work sixty-hour weeks for $3.05 an hour and spend weekends trying to trade sex for green cards. The garments they make are allowed to be labeled MADE IN AMERICA.”

http://www.randomhouse.com/cat…..1400062096

This may be in the comments somewhere (afraid of the dreaded EPU). However, I used teh Google and that fine young man was a constituent of “Congressman” Blackburn’s — unless his family lived on the cusp of that terribly gerrymandered district. He was just 18 — from Bon Aqua, TN and planned to be a minister.

It would be just like Limpballs to lie about whether she should have known.

jwbaseball @ 89

Excellent stuff! A journalist actually asking questions that are not softballs of a politician. Shuster knocked it out of the park!

This was not the first time I’ve seen one of his eviscerations. There’s no doubt, he’s good.

i’m on and off the lake a lot today…trying to catch up – saw the schuster dust-up with the rep from tenn…all-in-all a hearty WELL-DONE to david…if only more interviewers would be so forceful in getting past pols TPs and getting real answers…but the powers that be will not allow much of this type of program unfortunately…i bet david was called on the carpet for this

Jane (nyc) @ 181

This may be in the comments somewhere (afraid of the dreaded EPU). However, I used teh Google and that fine young man was a constituent of “Congressman” Blackburn’s — unless his family lived on the cusp of that terribly gerrymandered district. He was just 18 — from Bon Aqua, TN and planned to be a minister.

It would be just like Limpballs to lie about whether she should have known.

It’s not like she said the wrong name, either. If Pvt. Bohannan wasn’t in her district, she might have come up with another name, but she volunteered not one.

Jane (nyc) @ 181

This may be in the comments somewhere (afraid of the dreaded EPU). However, I used teh Google and that fine young man was a constituent of “Congressman” Blackburn’s — unless his family lived on the cusp of that terribly gerrymandered district. He was just 18 — from Bon Aqua, TN and planned to be a minister.

It would be just like Limpballs to lie about whether she should have known.

In a way it shows what little respect the “Pro-Victory” crowd has for the men and women who are on the ground fighting this war/occupation.

Fighting and dying…

the bodies just counted along with the bullets needed to fight.

i’m freaking out about this divide iraq plan. there is nothing in wapo, zilch nyt, cbs, nada, msnbc, nada, it is as if they don’t want a discussion. i wonder if this is what the betrayus boondoggle was all about. i wonder if this is what the surge was really about. greg palast linked to this the end of which interviews shia who had been evicted from anbar as a result of the surge.

i think you can always tell the importance of something by how they evade it in the news.

thanks for commenting on it upthread y’all.

Perino defending the speech put up on the White House website, apparently in error or prematurely (prior to removing phonetic spellings provided for the convenience of the, uh, interpreters, that’s the ticket!)

Q The speech —

MS. PERINO: On the speech — your question about the speech, the drafts are circulated, and there was an error made in trying to make sure that interpreters had what they needed. I don’t know how the draft of the speech — it was not final — was posted, but it was, and it was taken down. There’s really nothing more to say about it.

Q And they were phonetic spellings of various countries — as well, we understand.

MS. PERINO: That’s not unusual. We do that for many speeches.

Q Does the President have a hard time pronouncing some of these countries’s name?

MS. PERINO: I think that’s a offensive question. I’m going to just decline to comment on it.

Fern @ 93

raven @ 87

This country is no more disliked now than it was 40 years ago. If you don’t believ it you could look it up!

You won’t get an argument from me on that.

Yeah, but over the years we’ve built up some good will. People liked Reagan, and the whole world especially seemed to like Clinton (Bill, that is). Then they were right with us after 9/11, and Bush’s attitude was so insulting and superior and cocksure, that he blew all of the goodwill as well as developed a lot of nervousness. If the world had it’s way, they wouldn’t let us have the bomb!

Eureka Springs @ 122

So congress doesn’t want to micro manage the war/occupation? Then why are they doing it?

Uhhh…yeah…that’s a good question??

annie @ 186

i’m freaking out about this divide iraq plan. there is nothing in wapo, zilch nyt, cbs, nada, msnbc, nada, it is as if they don’t want a discussion. i wonder if this is what the betrayus boondoggle was all about. i wonder if this is what the surge was really about. greg palast linked to this the end of which interviews shia who had been evicted from anbar as a result of the surge.

i think you can always tell the importance of something by how they evade it in the news.

thanks for commenting on it upthread y’all.

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Sometimes I think this stalling for FU after FU, and now until at least March 2008, is just a stall until the Iraqis arrange themselves into their own partitions.
Am I too cynical?

sorry, the link to the video didn’t work in my last post. you can find it on greg palasts story

I emailed MSNBC my cudos to Shuster – he is really an ace reporter with a set of big ones.

no elliot, you aren’t.

TeddySanFran @ 184

Jane (nyc) @ 181

This may be in the comments somewhere (afraid of the dreaded EPU). However, I used teh Google and that fine young man was a constituent of “Congressman” Blackburn’s — unless his family lived on the cusp of that terribly gerrymandered district. He was just 18 — from Bon Aqua, TN and planned to be a minister.

It would be just like Limpballs to lie about whether she should have known.

It’s not like she said the wrong name, either. If Pvt. Bohannan wasn’t in her district, she might have come up with another name, but she volunteered not one.

Ya gotta love Senator Boxer, who posts a list of every single soldier from California who has died in Iraq right on her office wall…and not because anyone has to remind her that people are dying. She knows. I bet she would be able to answer Schuster’s question any day of the week and California’s list is updated quite a bit unfortunately :(

P J Evans @ 137

117, 126

I suppose you could get earwormed by ‘The Zombie Feeds Tonight’, like I have been.
A-zombi-weh, a-zombi-weh….
(I’d kill the person who did it, but it seems, somehow, redundant.)

I’ll just consider it a blessing that I don’t know that one! And don’t you be sending me to utube!!!

does anyone remember the new middle east map they posted on the airforces journal circa 6/06?

TeddySanFran @ 187

Perino defending the speech put up on the White House website, apparently in error or prematurely (prior to removing phonetic spellings provided for the convenience of the, uh, interpreters, that’s the ticket!)

Q The speech —

MS. PERINO: On the speech — your question about the speech, the drafts are circulated, and there was an error made in trying to make sure that interpreters had what they needed. I don’t know how the draft of the speech — it was not final — was posted, but it was, and it was taken down. There’s really nothing more to say about it.

Q And they were phonetic spellings of various countries — as well, we understand.

MS. PERINO: That’s not unusual. We do that for many speeches.

Q Does the President have a hard time pronouncing some of these countries’s name?

MS. PERINO: I think that’s a offensive question. I’m going to just decline to comment on it.

Bwhahahahaha!! He said “Zim Ba way” in his speech BTW…hee, hee.

Elliott @ 164

Brisingamen @ 156

No the winner, hands down, is a certain “little” Disney song Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned — or it will haunt you for days!

and I didn’t mention it either !!
but now all these little children are wearing boots all over this small world, after all.

No! no! Noooo!!

Now you’ve done it.

Elliott @ 190

annie @ 186

i’m freaking out about this divide iraq plan. there is nothing in wapo, zilch nyt, cbs, nada, msnbc, nada, it is as if they don’t want a discussion. i wonder if this is what the betrayus boondoggle was all about. i wonder if this is what the surge was really about. greg palast linked to this the end of which interviews shia who had been evicted from anbar as a result of the surge.

i think you can always tell the importance of something by how they evade it in the news.

thanks for commenting on it upthread y’all.

`
Sometimes I think this stalling for FU after FU, and now until at least March 2008, is just a stall until the Iraqis arrange themselves into their own partitions.
Am I too cynical?

There was a Richard Cohen op-ed this morning about it; Krauthammer, as much as an official ideologist as you can hope to find, wrote about it last week. Biden has been talking about it for over a year. It was one of those nebulous ends that wasn’t talked about openly in official circles, though the cold-blooded, racist narrative about the Iraqi state has always underpinned discussion about the war. Now it’s time to talk about openly. As our Democrats say, it’s time to “change course in Iraq.”

New thread upstairs!

annie @ 196

does anyone remember the new middle east map they posted on the airforces journal circa 6/06?

I linked to that up above.

brendan @ 177

itwasntme @ 157

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trireme

Thanks for confirming that. I’m superficially erudite myself and was going out on a limb there.

Superficially erudite? Sure you’re not my ex-husband?

raven @ 109

itwasntme @ 94

I’ve preferred “America The Beautiful” since Viet Nam.

“We Gotta Get Out of this Place” was the favorite of the “troops”!

War! What is it good for? (Absolutely Nothin’! Say it again!)

Blackburn’s amnesia on this one was particularly egregious as there was another TN fellow, Justin Blackwell, who died from his wounds suffered in the same incident.

His parents live “just over the line” from her district. This had to have gotten big press in TN.

Ms.Blackburn’s background is in fashion and marketing. Could you tell?

Choke! ahaha.

The Shuster/Blackburn moment was music to these tired ears. I don’t think we need a “lefty” O’Reilly, someone who makes up stuff, or a spin machine like Rush. But someone like Shuster who can walk softly, but carry a big stick when the plastic starts getting extruded would be just about right. It was a pleasure to watch a Talking Point summarily turned into a bitchy mumble-mumble.

Free Baluchistan? WTF?
http://www.armedforcesjournal……_after.JPG

LS @ 9

Blackburn seems ignorant, self-righteous, narrow-minded, and holier than thou…just hopeless.

How right you are! I’ve watched her here in Tennessee since before she went to congress. What a shill for the GOP. Governor of Tennessee in 2010? Not if I can help it.

brendan @ 201

annie @ 196

does anyone remember the new middle east map they posted on the airforces journal circa 6/06?

I linked to that up above.

whoops! thanks, i have only read about half the comments, i have been trying to post this news around.

There was a Richard Cohen op-ed this morning about it; Krauthammer, as much as an official ideologist as you can hope to find, wrote about it last week.

hanlon and someone else floated it as a hudson thinktank brillinat idea back in july too. i meant an actual new story announcing the plan to pass legislation.

neokneme @ 163

Magna Carta to go on sale in New York

The royal charter, dated 1297 and bearing the seal of King Edward I, is expected to fetch up to 30 million dollars when it goes under the hammer at Sotheby’s in New York, the auction house said in a statement Tuesday.

Just another “goddam piece of paper”?… Or “Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose”…

Hang it in the embassy in Baghdad. a small cost, a mere 1% of our weekly cost in Iraq!

Great original title Jane. I’d have to nominate this for the best title ever from you.

The only thing Republicans are deserving of (aside from long prison sentences) is electoral euthanasia. The sooner the American public wakes up to the fact that Republicans are dangerous to their health the better.

I think this is significant… by my estimate eight soldiers have lost their lives from Blackburn’s district since the war in Iraq began; and the casualty in question in the interview, 18 year old Private Jeremy Bohannon, was the *only* one from Blackburn’s district killed this year.

You can look at her district here:

http://blackburn.house.gov/…

…then click on the various links to see virtually all the towns and communities in Tennessee District 07.

Cross reference that with a list of casualties by state, provided by DOD:

http://icasualties.org/…

The list I come up with shows the following soldiers from Blackburn’s District have lost their lives in Iraq since the war began:

(Name of community in parentheses)

(Bon Aqua)
Rowe, Roger Dale
Sergeant
09-Jul-2003

(Bon Aqua)
Bohannon, Jeremy S.
Private
05-Aug-2007

(Clarksville)
Torres, Richard
2nd Lieutenant
06-Oct-2003

(Clarksville)
Winkler III, Harry A.
Private 1st Class
12-Nov-2006

(Clarksville)
Cerrone, Michael A.
1st Lieutenant
12-Nov-2006

(Finger)
Adkins, Dustin M.
Sergeant
04-Dec-2006

(Germantown)
Stern, Andrew K.
1st Lieutenant
16-Sep-2004

(Germantown)
Secher, Robert M.
Captain
08-Oct-2006

If I’ve overlooked a name, perhaps someone with a more thorough knowledge of that part of Tennessee can correct my list, and my apologies to the friends and family of the deceased.

In any case, Private Bohannon is apparently the only soldier from Blackburn’s district killed this year in Iraq.

In the full interview “Congressman” Blackburn repeats several times about how close she is to the families of the soldiers, how “sensitive” she is to “working with” them, and stays in close contact by email, etc.

Yet she doesn’t even know the name of the *only* soldier from her district to be killed in action in 2007 (an 18 year old boy who died only seven or eight weeks ago)! Or even where he was from, or anything about him.

Shame on her.

Thanks to David Shuster I bet she damn sure has all eight of those names on her desk now! She ought to have them burned into her memory for as long as she continues to support this bloody debacle.

Nice work lewisnclark. Unbelievable.

lewisnclark – this is terrific! Thank you.

David Shuster one of my new heroes. Hope he ask a Democratic Rep the same question. Shuster getting down to business!

And get Shuster his own show!

christine @ 36

“Any woman who prefers to be addressed with a male title is someone I cannot handle.”

Wordsmith – question – Why?? I’ve been a draftsman before and see absolutely nothing wrong with being labeled as such. It’s a description of an occupation, not who the person is.

Way late to this. In that particular instance, maybe. I’ve also referred to draftsman as draftors.

Congressman is NOT about an occupation. It’s about using a male ‘pronoun’ to describe, in this case, a woman. It’s offensive and incorrect.

Apparently, Bohannon and Blackburn were killed by “indirect enemy fire” , whatever that means, in Baghdad.

Are the insurgents’ snipers now so good that they can kill repeatedly with ricochet shots?

Oops, I should have said “Bohannon and Blackwell”.

Oh, no, I think CongressCritter Blackburn really had Schuster with her last come-back (and I quote):

er ah eeeh uh

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So. There you have it!