George Bush’s misplaced priorties were on full display this past week when he again threatened to veto health care coverage for millions of children unless Congress gave in to his demands to protect the insurance industry from competition from SCHIP’s public funding.
But while he and his wannabe Republican replacements railed against government health programs, his Administration was simultaneously using government control to overrule doctors’ medical advice to preclude medically necessary cancer treatments.
Bush threatens to veto the compromise SCHIP bill, worked out by House and Senate conferees from both parties because (1) he thinks it costs too much ($35 billion more versus the $5 billion Bush has offered) and (2) it might encourage some with private insurance to use the publically funded SCHIP program. In his weekly radio address, Bush accused the Democrats of being “irresponsible” and “playing politics” and then claimed:
“Our goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage — not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage.”
The cost argument is a little hard to swallow when Bush repeatedly asks (and gets) far more than this bill provides to wage unnecessary wars. And the argument that private programs should not face competition from a succesful low-cost public alternative is little more than an argument in favor of subsidies and preferential treatment — not exactly consistent with principles of private market competition the Republicans claim to support.
I’m sure the insurance industry is relieved to hear Mr. Bush is so concerned about their profits that he’d jeopardize health care for millions of children, but I think everyone else in the country thinks the priority ought to be providing health care to all children who don’t have it today, and to do so in the most effective way possible.
The compromise bill would extend SCHIP coverage to another 4,000,000 children, repeal the punitive restrictions issued last month that prevented states from expanding its scope; it also phases out some coverage for adults and focuses more attention on those least likely to afford alternative insurance programs. But the possibility that some families might switch from private insurance and all its hassles to a successful public program has the Bush Republicans petrified.
We’re facing another bruising battle. The key votes on the SCHIP renewal and expansion will occur this week, with Congress planning to send the bill to the President just before the SCHIP program ends on September 30. There will be a fight to get a veto-proof majority in both houses and then preserve it after the President’s expected veto. Senator Dodd and others are urging Republican governors to support the bill, but they’ll need our help too in calling Congress. We’ll have more info about calling Congress later this week.
Meanwhile, George Bush, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney et al. claim they fear the prospect of “government-controlled health care,” but it doesn’t seem to bother these Republicans when the federal government tells doctors that their presribed cancer treatments — such as chemotherapy — for those who must rely on Bush’s emergency rooms are not medically necessary and won’t be covered by the feds.
Under a limited provision of Medicaid, the national health program for the poor, the federal government permits emergency coverage for illegal immigrants and other noncitizens. But the Bush administration has been more closely scrutinizing and increasingly denying state claims for federal payment for some emergency services, Medicaid experts said.
Last month, federal officials, concluding an audit that began in 2004 and was not challenged by the state until now, told New York State that they would no longer provide matching funds for chemotherapy under the emergency program. Yesterday, state officials sent a letter to the federal Medicaid agency protesting the change, saying that doctors, not the federal government, should determine when chemotherapy is needed.
For Bush and his wannabe Republican replacements, government sponsored care is a menace to be restricted, even when it ensures health care for millions of children. Nor can government encourage insurance companies to cover costs for essential H.I.V. screening, even though recommended by the Center for Disease Control. But government control is just fine when used to screw poor people and immigrants out of necessary health care prescribed by their doctors. It’s all entirely consistent if you don’t really care about providing health care.
Photo: His favorite espresso cup, from josesh27566’s photostream
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- Ezra Klein’s Misplaced Dilemma
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Good Morning
God Bless Corporate America.
Ugh.
Yes, my inane Congressperson, Heather Wilson, has sent a crappy mailer to a former voter at my address talking about how the SCHIP will harm seniors. . .I believe she may be involved now with whatever “compromise” the Goopers have offered to the Spineless Wonders.
Single digits. Slurping the coffee down are we? :-)
The Scourge of “Socialized Medicine”-everyone I know would much prefer that their children suffer disease and illness rather than see the terrible degradation of the “Free Market” that would result from such a thing. /s
btw, the Stevens scandal is the subject on the Washington Journal now…
FDL should just list the phone numbers with every post, for our daily/hourly calls to try to save our country.
Goddess help us.
I love how they do this both ways: “We don’t want gov’t involvment in health insurance!” and “We’re going to tell you how to treat patients, even tho we have no medical degree!”
Actually, I wonder if the denial of chemo payments here is intended to make people conclude the government is a miserable failure at “health care” and therefore it’s necessary to have only private “health care”.
In scare quotes, since health insurance isn’t health care, of course…
Maybe this has something to do with the American Cancer Society’s decision to put its ad dollars on fixing the broken health care system… and the predictable right-wing misinformation campaign that ensues (h/t nyceve).
I should just have my congress critters on speed dial…
bg @ 8
We were hoping you’d have them memorized or on speed dial, by now.
In fact, that’s a good Monday morning wake up exercise. A little run, a few situps, put Congress on speed dial, fresh peaches on your Cheerios, etc. A good healthy routine.
The only way I’ll run is if you hire MIke Tyson to chase me! I’m up for the rest though…
Scarecrow @ 11
Don’t skip the FDL check-in!
Scarecrow @ 11
I saved the phone numbers to my desktop.
Maybe that’s too easy.
The Timid is rebilling moveon..
shouldn’t they be rebilling rudijudiandthepurse too since he got the same rate and also personally attacked Senator Clinton
katherine Graham Cracker @ 15
so did the NYT give Move-ON an easy rate in the first place and then was caught?
Originally the NYT claimed the discount rate was legit.
Health care coverage on the Diane Rehm show at 10 est. Call in 800-433-8850. or email drshow@wamu.org.
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/
0:00SCHIP
Guest host: Susan Page
A popular children’s health insurance program expires September 30th. The House and Senate have worked out a deal to reauthorize it. Two experts, a journalist and a U.S. Senator will discuss the deal on the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
TexBetsy @ 13
Good morning!
I believe this is where you’d first check in here with your cellphone’s internet :-P
I’ve got all the email addresses memorized though ;-). Although DiFi forces an email form *grump*
Elliott @ 16
Well, WTF? A company’s entitled to charge what they like. I’m *not* understanding this broo ha ha.
This is a great video clip
bg @ 103
Maybe it is time for this video to make the rounds again. . .(scenes from Tehran with soundtrack of Peace Train . . .)
http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html
Thank you BG. Fantastic
peanutbutter @ 19
look! bright shiny thing! UGH LIBERALS! bright shiny thing! don’t talk about the war, health care, issues. bright shiny thing!
peanutbutter @ 9
You know, there probably is some truth to that. I hear a lot of “Do you wan the same government who was responsible for Katrina controlling your health care?” (Substitute any number of things for “Katrina.” I’ve even heard “Iraq.”)
Force government to fail, and you have an easy way to demonize any other government program.
bg @ 5
Why can’t we run attack adws against Republicans? Like with this SCHIP thing. Run ads showing sick and poor children and say this is what happens when you let Republicans control government. Basically make the point that they don’t give a damn about any kids but their own. That would be a big winner I imagine. Why is it that the Republicans always run attack ads? We could run them but ours would have a lot more truth to them.
W is speechifying on the Budget on C-span.
Elliott @ 16
This will be the #2 distraction of the week. The #1 distraction will be Ahmedinejad speaking at Columbia, and the coverage will always begin with “denied the holocaust” and “wipe out Israel,” no matter what he actually said then or now.
peanutbutter @ 19
JF @ 22
That’s what Grover Norquist is about, and what the Mittster was saying last week.
JF @ 22
In addition to Katrina, add hurricane Rita. Hurricane Damage isn’t the Only Problem
Um, I said the Times got a lot of free advertising. Everytime the MoveOn ad was mentioned, it was also mentioned that it was in the NY Times.
Well maybe speaking is not the proper description-lets go with babbling incoherently.
Bush co-opting CNN to insult Congress with how fiscally irresponsible the Democrats are — even though the Republicans in the Senate have been obstructing every major appropriations bill.
nonplussed @ 24
Oh sweet Jeebus!! Is he butchering the English language again? What is that petulant child crying about now?
Bush threatening to Veto childrens health care coverage.
Jesus Mary and Joseph how much more of the Bush administrations “compassionate conservatism” can our nation and the rest of the world take?
The reason I bring it up is because when the NYT was initially accused by Rudy, I believe, of giving Move-ON a special break, the NYT claimed it was a normal rate for the situation. If that reason was a lying excuse, I’d like to know.
TO 24, CSpan, I guess this is his excuse for skipping out on the UN. A Pres. that likes to execute people, start illegal wars, and keep medical care from children Yep, we almost elect him twice. So who is really to blame? I will be asking that until I die, I think.
Good morning.
OT. I’ve left a message at last thread (#107) re: request that those interested sign petition to support the Australian Psychological Association’s endeavor to limit its members participation in the interrogation and torture of detainees. They meet tomorrow, so please sign today if you can.
thank you.
(apologies for interruption, Scarecrow!)
He’s smacking down on the Congress again.
He looks tired and cranky.
Any argument that SCHIP costs too much, that we have limited resources for health care for children (or the rest of us) is pure b/s. The people that would deny us all access to good health care are first class assholes.
Just once I’d like to see a prominent progressive state it publicly in those terms. Something tells me it would resonate with the public.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 23
There’s some bipartisan support for the very popular SCHIP — including from most governors — so the near-term strategy is to try to get as many Repubs to vote for this extension/expansion — enough to override a veto. My concern is that there doesn’t seem to be a strategy for what happens if they don’t have a veto-proof majority in the House (we had one in the Senate for the Senate version, which is closer to the conferee compromise). This is going to get nasty, and if we can’t get enough Republicans, we’re facing another “Dem failed” set of headlines.
demi @ 37
Did anyone ever tell him, the more speechifying he does the more his popularity drops.
This just burns me, and you can bet Arlen is going to hear from me every single day until he promises to vote to override Bush’s veto.
Until July of this year, my 15yo daughter was covered under the SCHIP program. However, because her adult brother received a 35-cent raise in June, our household income was now over the limit, and her coverage was canceled.
On the day I received notice that she’d no longer be covered, I had to call her neurologist and inform him we wouldn’t be able to keep our appt. This also meant she’d have to go without needed bloodwork that tracks the levels of her migraine meds. (She’s had two toxicity episodes with previous meds, so this is a necessity.)
I literally faced this choice: keep her on the meds and pray there are no toxicity issues – or take her off the meds and put her through the 15-20 migraines per month she was enduring previously.
Lovely choice. Thanks, Mr. Bush.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 40
he listens to no one.
Scarecrow @ 25
You can bank on the MSM spinning what the Iranian President says today at Columbia. You can also bank on the likelihood of a pre-emptive strike on
Iran..some people are. Sick sick sick
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com…..id=25&
Here’s something amusing—a White House official claims that Obama is too intellectually lazy to be president!!!
Do you ’spose his 700,000 acre ranch in Paraguay was bought with insurance co. money?
Private, for profit insurance companies are 8-10x more costly to operate programs than the gov’t, and seem to spend an inordinate time and effort denying coverage. Both pay less than most claims, but gov’t pays with less hassle. If you don’t have either coverage, you are truly in deep yogurt.
TexBetsy @ 42
Betsy, I think we should send you to DC. You’re such a nice gal and you could take him desserts. Maybe he’d listen to you. Really.
the very bottom line is that when a service is required then private industry is the ineficient method of providing that service
the only time private industry is efficient is when the service is neither required nor mandated
cost has very little to do with the price of service or goods, if cost were the factor then Nike sneaks would be ten dollars and baseball tickets would cost more then football tickets
when a service is required by society it becomes a commons…water is a commons, roads are a commons, bridges, traffic lights
even money is a commons
commons cannot be run entirely by corporations, they can compete with the government and the commons, for instance private school can compete with public education, but education must ALWAYS be public
the same thing needs to hold true for health care
form the time before homo sapien wrose to walk on two limbs, there has been uniiversal health care
the able provide protection, food, water and health care to the young, to the weak, to those less able
even packs of wolves , heards of deer, schools of dolphins, prides of lions provide health care and provide for the commons’
now that corporations can make money off of the commons they try to make believe it is “socialism” if there is universal health care
universal health care, single payer health care is NOT socialism SINCE anyone can go to any provider they want, just as those that think public education is inadaquate, those that think the single payer is inadaquate can get their own
simpple stuff when framed correctly
George Bush couldn’t care less about kids from non-rich, non-Republican homes. To him they are just so much spawn. For those of us who grew up quite differently (children from hard working families, just trying to make it from month to month) from Mr. Bush, we look at things through a much different prism. And for those of us who work with children every day, we see the gross hypocrisy of Mr. and Mrs. George W. Bush and the Grand Old Party.
California is close to a deal on gropper care
PA_Lady @ 41
One powerful story; but alas, one of millions of stories. This is why we have to make those calls. We’ll put the numbers up later this week. Take care, PA Lady.
I would also put some money on huge MSM coverage of the protestors outside of Columbia today. You can bet your ass the MSM will give lots of air time to anti Iranian Protestors. Watch and see. Place your bets.
Just who is the madman?
AP – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, facing protests and tabloid headlines calling him “evil” and a “madman,” stirred debate Monday about free speech ahead of his appearance at Columbia University.
Bush is the cosmic goalie- standin in front of the goal and waiting to swat away any legislation the dem congress sends him. It’s about all that’s left for him- the obstructionist president..
Now it’s up to the dems to send him a raft of shit that most people are in favor of and force the goopers to support their boneheaded president…. should pay off at the polls.
Kathleen @ 51
I wonder how long we’ll have to wait to find out who paid the anti-iranian protestors?
Ahem:
Biodun @ 54
did moveon have enough funding to run the add anyway?
would they have?
carmen @ 54
Darth Vader and Rupert Murdoch. Sciafe can’t because his wife is taking him to the cleaners.
Thank God. I haven’t had to fight any Iraqis, Iranians or Palestinians on the streets of Oklahoma this morning.
perris @ 56
They’ve already sent a check for the extra amount. As of Saturday, MoveOn had raised $1.5 million in new contributions since the controversy began.
Biodun @ 55
Thanks! I hadn’t seen that.
Scarecrow @ 50
Thanks scarecrow. Truthfully, we’re “lucky” that she has “only” migraines. There are kids with far worse conditions whose parents are facing far worse choices.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
And through that prism we get the five year old’s sociopathic attitude toward governance.
If these Rethugs spent half the time trying to do what is right rather than obstruct and finger pointing. God I am sick of this evil crowd!
Another ahem:
Yesterday, Chimpy also said Hillary has the best chance of winning the Dem nomination. But we know his motives.
perris @ 56
Yes, they have raised 1.5 million dollars since the ad was published and the resulting brouha.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 58
Insight of the month, OK, but far too subtle for our policy makers in Washington.
Scarecrow @ 59
and that’s a cryin’ shame, ain’t it?
he he he!
Biodun @ 63
I wonder how many times a day KKKarl calls from Texas.
What I wonder is: what are the Democrats going to do? Probably will just whimper a little and give Bush exactly what he wants – a continuation of last year’s funding, which everyone acknowledges is in effect a cut.
Oh, if the Democrats only had a spine! Imagine the Democrats attaching SCHIP to omnibus spending bill and daring Bush to veto that. Imagine Democrats letting Bush know – in no uncertain terms – that “war” supplemental will not come up for discussion on Senate floor until SCHIP is signed by Bush. I know it’s unrealistic to ask, but a boy can only dream!
Perris @ 46: Very well said.
I’ve been curious as to why those who shudder at the thought of “socialism” seem to have no problem with sovereign controlled investment funds from Dubai, UAE, China and other nations buying American assets. The Dubai Ports deal comes to mind. It seems to me the rise of these sovereign funds might strengthen the argument in favor of a single payer government controlled system. Your thoughts.
Is KKKarl actually IN Texas?
OT, but I can’t help it. Maybe someone can explain to me why the media gives the likes of Bill Donohue a platform. He shouldn’t even get a soap box. Yet there he is on the Today show, hyperventilating about how Columbia University should not allow the Iranian Prez to speak. That’s right, Bill, put a muzzle on him. That’ll help win world peace.
waiting for them to rebill the Giuliani Campaign
TexBetsy @ 42
he listens to no one but he is led by everyone
scarecrow had a great idea based on one of my posts;
a cartoon with bush being lid like a dog on a leach by cheney
that would really get bush’s ire going and he would therefor not listen to cheney anymore no matter how cheney tried to manipulate him
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 63
wow, talk about being effective and talk about the critisism against moveon being counter productive
man, they really meant it when they said “bring it on”
bg @ 70
Yep.
carmen @ 54
No need to pay protestors. Plenty of hate stirred up for Iran by the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots as they endlessly repeated unsubstantiated claims about Iran the last four years. After 9/11 the Bush administration realized the benefit of keeping Americans on the edge, close to terrified, then all you have to do is replace the q on the end of Ira with n.
DefendOurConstitution @ 68
Bush is perfectly willing to veto every thing sent to him, and risk shutting down the government. The issue is who will crack first: the Dems or the Repubs, depending on which fears the perception of stalemate the most. It’s not as though our guys have been steeling for this. It’s going to get very nasty in the next few weeks. The SCHIP vote is huge, because it will signal where this is going. JMO.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 58
Funny
Scarecrow @ 25
Are you suggesting that he did not say those things? Or is it your position that those are appropriate views for the head of government of a major regional power to hold? Or are you saying that one should ignore those past statements for purposes of evaluating whatever he may have to say during his current visit to NY?
Please clarify.
Ann in AZ @ 71
I think of him every time I hear about how ‘hateful’ the DFHs are.
1,608 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow and the firepup Patriots:
I don’t believe that anything is gunna get done on ANYthing for the rest of this Congress because the fix is in and the Democratic leadership is scared to death that if they confront the fascists and make ‘em filibuster these krypto-Nazis will willingly shut the government down. By “the fix is in” I mean that Mrs. Clinton pulls the strings, if she wanted to end the war, impeach the Chimpenfuehrer, end domestic wiretapping’ et al she could do it with a yank on Harry Reid’s zipper. I think it’s clear that Clinton is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Murdock-A*P*C faction of the corporate oligarchy and that partition of Iraq, permanent occupation of a rump Iraq and war with Iran is the grand strategy and she is willin’ to be drum major for it.
Therefore, we in the anti-fascist opposition need to be organizin around the progressive caucus in both houses of Congress, increase direct citizen action against DEMOCRATS on the campaign trail and develop an anti-war, anti-Clinton movement that will threaten to split the party at the convention if the Democratic base isn’t heard. So even if Mrs. Clinton were to win the nomination and the Presidency or if a Bushfascist beats her, the Democratic majorities in both houses will be progressive and there will be new leaders with the votes to challenge Reid and Pelosi.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION AND DON’T WORRY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN HAPPEN HERE…IT ALREADY HAS!!
The only “health issue” Bush is interested in is the health of his uberrich supporters’ bank balances. What happens to the plebes is of absolutely no concern (why should he trouble his beautiful mind?) to him, as long as he has someone to mow the lawn and clean up after him.
demi @ 37
himself needs a real-life, over-riding, wide-awake, congressional smackdown of heroic proportions!
himself tired and cranky? Lah-ti-dah. Time for him to join the legions of folks and critters he has made tired and cranky, those whom he hasn’t already destroyed outright in his reckless, wanton, toy-throwing, whirled-peas-blasting disaster of a pResidency.
Oh. sorry. Good Morning dear Scarecrow and pups. Not AWOL. Just slept in (shameful!). Ready to rumble, soon as I find the coffee. ;->
Kathleen @ 76
Let’s not deify this clown. The Iranian people are mostly victims but this guy and his predecessors (including the Shah) are idiots too.
perris @ 74
you can argue about the original “betrayal” ad, but what MoveOn is doing now is capitalizing on all the publicity that ad is giving whatever they do. So CNN runs the story 20 times a day, showing the term “betrayal”, but then folks at home see a new ad from MoveOn that uses “betrayal” to describe Bush, or Mitch McConnell, and folks think “well, that’s right.” CNN is now amplifying MoveOn’s message, even as they disparage MoveOn. I assume this is not what MoveOn planned, but you take what they give you.
TexBetsy @ 42
Scarecrow @ 77
Unfortunately I think you’re right and we know who always loses these games of chicken. In any case, my second cup of tea brought me back to my senses – it is crazy to dream of the Democrats doing the right thing on SCHIP (on anything else) as long as they perceive that they will gain politically in 2008 from letting Bush get away with this hearless veto.
Thank you Scarecrow for keeping this issue alive on Firedog, and for making it an advocacy priority this week. I’ve been working on SCHIP reauthorization for months now and we need all the support we can get! This isn’t just about getting more kids covered, as important as that is – it’s also about fighting back against the “government-run health care” slam, which will be vitally important for all of us in the next election.
burnspbesq @ 79
I don’t know about the Holocaust, but if IIRC what he really said about Israel was that it should be moved elsewhere. So, technically yes, it would be off the map at its present location. Think about it for a second, why would Iran want to nuke Israel? After the two places in Saudi Arabia, the third holiest place in Islam(doesn’t matter if you are Sunni or Shia), is the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem(The same place that both Christians and Jews think holy also).
Ahmadinejad is the head of Iran’s Revolutionary Council, but he takes his marching orders in general from the Ayatollah.
and mukasey is shaping up to be quite a dog on a leashe as well, think progress;
mukasey needs to be asked right up front if he believes the president has the right to unilaterally void treaties that were entered by previous administrations, or if the president has the right to unilaterally redifine the terms of our treateis
if he does doesn’t that void every single treaty we ever made or will ever make
and won’t that be a severe liability for national security
Those close to Bush say he listens to god, or was that to his dog?
And Chimpy takes a little time out from the Iraq war and occupation:
raven @ 84
Just think about it. There are an awful lot of similiarities between Ahmadinejad and the Decider. Both are fundies(of different religions of course). The population of their respective countries don’t particularly like them or their policies at this point in time. Hell, the Iranian people want to be like us!! Just like we elected the Decider, they elected Ahmadinejad. Ugh!!!!
Scarecrow -
In addition to the subject of your post, there is also this USA Today story to consider: Scientists: Brain injuries from war worse than thought
katherine Graham Cracker @ 72
that too!
burnspbesq @ 79
Any President who denies the holocaust is a serious problem; same for anyone who argues for eliminating another country. The exact translation of what this man said has been disputed by those who actually speak the languages — eg., Juan Cole — and I don’t know the truth. I’ve heard enough to believe he’s very careless, even reckless. I’ve also seen interview — much better than last night — in which he was provided opportunities to clarify the comments that have offended so many, and he basically ducked, IMO. So what is the truth?
At the same time, he is not the central power in Iran; and those who are have been signaling a different view about the holocaust and views toward the persecution of Jews by what they allow in their national television. So what are we to think of the “official position” of the Iran government?
My concern is this: both sides are careening towards a war that is not, in my opinion, in anyone’s interest. The dialogue is being dominated by reckless people and demogogues. Any opportunity to diffuse the situation should be seized, and every conciliatory gesture on either side should be emphasized. Instead, we are getting the opposite, and that is dangerous.
is burnspbesq @ 77
there has been some disagreement about what he said and the proper translations. i don’t speak farsi, or know the culture, so i can’t say for sure… but, i’m inclined to trust juan cole’s version.
And for those praising Hillary last week for not condemning the MoveOn.org ad, think again:
From CNN’s Late Edition yesterday:
My bold. As I said, think again.
y’know? It might almost be helpful if he has a full-blown tantrum on live feed.
Is he whining yet? jabbing that finger? bobblehead-pumping? re-inventing the language?
Ratings sagging every time he speechifies?
No kidding!?!
Adults aren’t supposed to attack kids for ANY reason, especially callous indifference.
Even 500-lb. gorillas know that.
Eagles know that.
Crocodiles know that.
What’s up with you, mr. president?
What part of that do you not understand, sir?
Caw, caw, Scarecrow! Hit two out of the park this morning!
So nice to know that the government is willing to pay for emergency care for poor people, but only if the care isn’t too pricey or ongoing. Then suddenly, instead of human beings, the government sees dollar signs, and the humans become throw away people.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 89
Misinterpretation of what the Iranian President said about Israel. Are we surprised? The “cakewalk” crazies have been repeating their misinterpreted statements about what the Iranian President said about Israel all over the airwaves
Putting Words in Ahmadinejad’s Mouth
By VIRGINIA TILLEY
Johannesburg, South Africa
http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley08282006.html
Letter: What the Iranian President really said
Independent, The (London), May 8, 2006 by CHRIS ALLEYNE
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is
_20060508/ai_n16352349
Does Iran’s President Want Israel Wiped Off The Map – Does He Deny The Holocaust?
http://www.informationclearing…..e12790.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i…..cleId=4527
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 95
a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Biodun @ 99
???
Yes! You’re really cookin’!
Thank you Scarecrow. Bravo!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 89
With all due respect, I think your recollection is playing tricks on you. Here is only one example; I suspect I could have found several more in a few more seconds.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00629.html
“The main solution is for the elimination of the Zi*nist regime.” I would respectfully suggest that your reading of such statements, as expressed above, represents grasping at straws. The most charitable spin I can find to put on your remarks is that you consider Ahmadinejad to be not irrational and dangerous, but merely a demagogue. I simply can’t buy into that view.
WDC @ 88
Thanks for your input. Any insights on where the vote count stands? Also, if you have specific congresscritters we need to call, let us know in the comments.
John Edwards just put out a BRILLIANT education plan and it is getting very little attention-we wouldn’t even be focusing on healthcare, if he hadn’t brought it front and center with his plan.
Kathleen @ 92
i didn’t know. is he lysdexic?
Adie @ 109
Glad I didn’t have a mouthful of Diet Coke when I read that.
One example of the spin having to do with Iran
683499&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull”>http://www.jpost.com link
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..-warnings/
El Baradei Fights Off Drumbeat For Iran War, Warns Pre-War Iraq Failures Are Being Repeated
Kathleen @ 33
The rest of the developed world is very thankful that Bush’s compassionate conservatism has eluded them but then again, that rest of the developed world would have stormed the Bastille by now.
EMIGRATE.
i think the anti-Iran demonstrators should be asked to find it on a map. in fact, hold the map upside down for a real hoot.
And here’s another beaut from Hillary:
From CNN’s Late Edition yesterday:
Is this really the woman the Dems want to be nominated for President?
Oh dear. Christy is trashing Rudy in the next thread.
Kathleen @ 51
If I had the opportunity, I would like the MSM to provide the relative numbers of protesters at Columbia today with… oh…. say the numbers of peace protesters a couple weeks ago.
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone…
Prof. Juan Cole on the misinterpretation of what President Ah
http://www.juancole.com/2006/0…..chens.html
“But the actual quote, which comes from an old speech of Khomeini, does not imply military action, or killing anyone at all. The second reason is that it is just an inexact translation. The phrase is almost metaphysical. He quoted Khomeini that “the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time.” It is in fact probably a reference to some phrase in a medieval Persian poem. It is not about tanks.
ate: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:34:18 -0400 From: “Cole, Juan”
The speech in Persian is here:
Sorry that I misremembered the exact phrase Ahmadinejad had used. He made an analogy to Khomeini’s determination and success in getting rid of the Shah’s government, which Khomeini had said “must go” (az bain bayad berad). Then Ahmadinejad defined Zionism not as an Arabi-Israeli national struggle but as a Western plot to divide the world of Islam with Israel as the pivot of this plan.
The phrase he then used as I read it is “The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).”
Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope– that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah’s government.
sona @ 111
You’re not gonna let the likes of him chase you outta here now, are ya? Thot not! Stay put. You belong here more than jr. does.
Let’s SHUN him.
DEPORT him? Have the laws been relaxed on shipping toxic waste?
Scarecrow @ 115
oh dear? oh goodie! thanx sc. ;->
SufiLizard @ 116
Exactly. Place your bets. the anti_Iranian protestors will get far more air time than any of the anti-invasion or anti-war protestors.
The new strategy of the MSM is to make it appear that there were as many Pro-war marchers as anti-war marchers. They give them the same amount of air time. 30 seconds each on Meet the Press.
An evolving health care disaster.
Scientists: Brain injuries from war worse than thought
link
The military now knows that “blast trauma” even without obvious injury causes brain damage..yet they send these kids back to combat again and again. This country is going to have tens of thousands of middle aged ex-soldiers with progressive brain deterioration. This is the “signature injury” of the Iraq war and it sounds like “Alzheimer’s” in the young.
Good morning, all. The sky is blue and the sun is shining. What a lovely gift to be enjoyed with a cup of tea before launching into the day’s events. Amazing what the news can do to a person.
If you want to scare citizens off just attach the word “socialize” to whatever you want to defeat. The Dems don’t seem to apply those words to real socialized programs like the Pentagon and MIC. Nor all those secret government organizations a la CIA and “private” corporations in the business of terrorizing citizens in other countries. Our tax dollars subsidizes the oil companies, the financial industry and agrabusiness. But if the people’s money returns to them for small healthcare benefits it is called “socialized”. This is predictable for the Republicans but the Democrats agree with them by hiding scared from such words.
The Democrats don’t know their base. We’re right here in front of their empty scared faces shouting at them and they don’t hear us. Useless, they are.
Social means society – people. So, what’s the Dems problem? Guess now that they are die hard corporate capitalists, they fear people more than corporations. They bury their collective heads and pretend the loud voices from the people just don’t count. Remember the French Revolution all you Marie Antoinette congressional Democrats.
Things still look pretty good in the Senate, but House Republicans are saying this AM they’re sure they can block Dems from getting the veto proof majority. The list of targets is too long to post, but calls are particularly needed for what some call “moderate” (or if you prefer, “slightly less crazy”) Repubs in the House, as well as southern House Dems from tobacco states – they’re balking at the 61 cent per pack tax increase.
Adie @ 119
sona where are you from?
I am wondering if Canada would open their doors to 47 million health care refugees(uninsured) from the US?
WDC @ 124
Thanks; keep us informed.
Adie @ 119
I am an Aussie and a Brit and have every intention of staying put in Australia.
sona @ 127
smart
I saw a brief few moments of a panel discussing Bush’s planned veto on this issue.
A Bushie was told by a panelist that if Bush did veto this bill, he would alienate millions of women voters desperately needed for their party.
The Bushie’s neck snap was nearly audible.
Considering the massive numbers of divorced/single mothers raising kids forced into lives of poverty which are capable of voting and considering the divorce rates highest in the Red States — you can believe that comment will make it back to the RNC and further up the chain.
factcheck on shrub and the children
http://www.factcheck.org/bushs…..rance.html
“Federalized” health care is bad.
Except, for Bu’ush, when it comes to his.
Lifetime, first-rate, comprehensive coverage, all on the taxpayers’ dime.
This is not about ideology. The Bush Administration has made a decision that it helps the Republicans to have this be a do-nothing Congress. They are killing bills for political gain. They think it’s how they’ll get back the House and Senate.
The suggestion that there’s an ideological difference here is quite plainly false. Bush believes very strongly in expanding government-run healthcare–he’s already done it!
In his first term, President Bush passed the Medicare drug bill, which is structured similarly to the CHIP program–giving federal money to private insurers.
Only Bush’s drug bill cost HUNDREDS of billions of dollars (5-10 times more than this proposed CHIP expansion), and unlike CHIP which covers all medical costs, only covered drugs.
And, unlike CHIP which catches kids when they fall off employer-based insurance, Bush’s Medicare drug plan was 100% “crowd-out”–substitution of public money for private money. Seniors who already had private drug plans (either purchased individually or as part of a retirement plan) now had their private drug plans paid for by the government–for them, it was a full government takeover. For everyone else, it was mandatory to sign up for a state-subsidized plan bought from an insurer.
Bush expanded Government Health Care in his Medicare drug bill far more expensively and expansively than anyone since LBJ.
For him to suggest that he supported socialized medicine for old people, but now opposes it for kids–that’s insane, and quite obviously a lie.
He’s leaving 4 million kids uninsured so Republicans can call the Democrats a “do nothing” Congress. It’s a disgusting display of politics.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 40
yeah yeah, i know. I flunked EPU 101. But I finally got a chance to see the replay on CSpan.
Anyone else mention it?
The jaw waggle is back, big-time. Noticed a very obvious one right after he finished his corrosive little shlupeel to Ccritters to do his royal bidding.
Pfzzh*&t!
Dam* the tor-phe-does. Set out the pretzels!
Teen health centres in the Bronx is completely out of emergency contraceptives, and this is an area that has a high teen pregnancy rate.
The food bank that serves the area is running on empty because the agriculture bill needs to be voted on… while 33% of the people live below the poverty line when the national average is 12%.
There are real problems out there that needs serious attention and at the same time a war is costing over $3 billion per week..talk about screwed up priorities.
jeanruss @ 108
John Edwards — Leading America, even as the egos bounce off the walls in the next room, yelling, “Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. [ like Laurie Anderson or somethin’ ] “
Biodun @ 114
So, the natural continuation of this is that we stay in Iraq *forever*?
What happens the day after we leave Iraq?
Just how long does Hillary envision us staying in Iraq?
My question for the next debate is…
For each candidate who has announced a universal health care plan, universality spreads the cost among more people, but what in your plan would prevent costs from rising as fast as they have been the last several decades?