The credibility of the Washington Post’s editorial page took another hit today with Charles Lane’s nasty hit piece attacking Dan Rather — suggesting he’s not in his right mind — for suing CBS in the aftermath of the “Rathergate” ratfucking. Especially the nut graf:
Finally, no one in his right mind would keep insisting that those phony documents are real and that the Bush National Guard story is true.
On both counts (as with nearly all those preceding), Lane is factually and profoundly wrong. There were plenty of reasons at the time to think that the so-called “proof” that the “Killian documents” were fraudulent was itself mostly fraudulent, or at best fatally flawed. And there are plenty of reasons to believe that they may well have been authentic — including the study by Utah State professor David Hailey [PDF of the study itself here], who concluded that he was “totally persuaded they were typed.”
Moreover, Rather’s attorneys point out in their complaint (which Lane appears not to have read) that the private investigator hired by CBS in the aftermath of the debacle concluded that “the Killian documents were most likely authentic, and the underlying story was certainly accurate.”
As Eric Boehlert — whose contemporary reporting for Salon on the story was authoritative and convincing — wrote in his book Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush:
Not one of the key facts, all established through Bush’s own military records, were altered by CBS’s botched National Guard report. But the MSM, having already displayed little initiative on the story, took the 2004 CBS controversy as confirmation that they had been right in 2000 to wave off the issue of Bush’s Guard duty; that there was nothing there. Spooked by the angry conservative mob assembled online and that had been taking aim at CBS and its anchor Dan Rather, the MSM in 2004 quickly sprinted away from questions about Bush’s service and focused its attention solely on CBS’s sins.
The CBS fiasco essentially buried the hard factual reality based simply on the very authentic public records — namely, that George W. Bush failed to live up to his military commitments in a time of war, and that he and his minions continue to lie about it to this day.
It’s important to remember that at the time of the CBS report, there were many reports that reached this same basic conclusion, including Boehlert’s, an accounting in the Boston Globe, and even a damning report in U.S. News and World Report. It’s likewise important to remember that, because of the manufactured and utterly phony “Rathergate” controversy, the White House never did answer the questions that CBS raised in the course of its reportage utterly separate from the documents:
– Did a friend of the Bush family use his influence with the then-Texas House Speaker to get George W. Bush into the National Guard?
– Did Lt. Bush refuse an order to take a required physical?
– Was he suspended for “failing to perform up to standards”?
– And did he complete his commitment to the Guard?
The established record — contrary to Charles Lane’s fantasy — shows clearly that the answers to these questions are “yes,” “yes,” “yes,” and NO. Yet this has never been made clear to the public — and it’s actively obfuscated by mendacious nonsense like Lane’s.
The CBS report, and the way it fell apart, had all the earmarks of a classic ratfucking. Most of all, it allowed the White House to lie with impunity about Bush’s military records afterward, and to continue doing so to this day.
This ratfucking was especially hard for me to take; I had been collecting information on the story since the summer of 2000, and began posting about it back in 2003. After Michael Moore inadvertently awakened the story in early 2004, I began posting on it with great regularity (a sample list can be found here).
The story continues to have real relevance, because it lays bare the character of the cynical manipulator Americans have had as their president for the past seven years. As I wrote at the time:
The problem isn’t George W. Bush’s behavior in 1972. It is his behavior, and that of his administration and his campaign officials, in the very recent past that is at issue here.
Because the AWOL matter, first of all, demonstrates clearly that Bush has been lying to the American public about his behavior then, in an attempt to cover it up; and secondarily, in an extension of the first behavior, his military records appear to have been tampered with. The latter, we hardly need remind the critics, is a violation of federal law.
At the same time, the gross character flaw that the AWOL matter reveals is also very much part of what we have gotten from this presidency. There is no sense of accountability to the public anywhere in this administration; if something goes wrong [Can you say, "Weapons of mass destruction?" I knew you could.] it places the blame elsewhere. It falsifies budget figures and misleads the public about the grotesque debt load its deficits are placing on future generations. And it distorts intelligence estimates so that it can convince the public to participate in a war it had planned even before winning election. It bullies its opponents, and traffics in the most transparent way in keeping the public in line by fanning its fears of terrorist attack.
This is a presidency sold to the public on the phony image of Bush as a man of superior character — a straight shooter, a veteran, a man who understands and respects duty and honor. (This was meant to contrast with Bill Clinton and, by extension, Al Gore.) … This personal character of Bush’s has been a cornerstone of his entire governing style. Should we go to war? Trust Bush — he’s a “good man.” Economy’s in the dumpster? “He’s working hard to make things better.” Wrecking the environment? “How can you impugn our motives?” Valerie Plame? “That’s just politics.”
This style gives way to the kind of arrogance that can dress Bush up in a flight suit and send him jetting out to the deck of an aircraft carrier, in way specifically designed to emphasize his own phonied-up service record, for the sake of a photo op prematurely announcing “Mission Accomplished.” It’s what lets Bush get away with posing for all the world as a veteran “war president” with a real respect for the suffering of average soldiers. And it’s what lets him and his minions get away with impugning the motives and patriotism of the people who question his leadership.
Bush’s re-election campaign was predicated on the notion that he is a straight shooter: “You know where I stand,” was his signature line at the 2004 GOP convention. What the Texas Air National Guard episode makes clear, beyond any serious doubt, is that the man in fact is a lying manipulator — one willing to falsify (perhaps criminally) the record about not only his own conduct in the military, but also his war-hero opponent’s — and there is no reason any of us should believe a word that comes out of his mouth. We know where he stands, all right: on the side of George W. Bush, and everyone and everything else is fair game.
Most importantly, it revealed that George W. Bush, the man who is demanding American boys and girls and their families continue making the ultimate sacrifice for their country in a failed and fruitless war built on a foundation of false pretenses — that man was himself unwilling to even live up to his own modest military commitments, none of which involved so much as even placing himself in combat with the enemy. He continues to lie about that fact — even as he and his Republican cohort assail the patriotism and integrity of anyone who dares stand up to them.
And guys like Charles Lane are evidently happy to serve as his willing enabler.
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Yeah….
Nothing finer than FDL in the afternoon….
Just ask yourself where George W. Bush would be today without his family’s money and connections.
Steve, don’t you usually end up #1 when you guess “2″? Congrats!
Here is what I posted in comments…
“This is an ad hominem attack, aimed at Rather’s character. It does not deal with the substance of his complaint.
I don’t think anyone in their right mind is claiming that the substance of the
Air National Guard story is untrue: Bush got preferment to get into the Guard, and can’t prove he served.
I await the trial, and the crow that seems likely to be served to Mr. Lane.”
It got 19 recommendations, so someone is reading it.
Also note that on Lane’s WaPo hit piece, the comments are turned off– another sign that the Post knows that it’s a hack job.
Hopefully Rather doesn’t settle and take the law suit all the way. I suspect he will like revenge more than money.
LOL! You’ve got plenty of shit to attack Bush on, so why keep hanging on to the damn phony documents?
Oops, reading MrBill@5, I see that the problem may be at my end. Sorry.
Great, great post!
Steve-AR @ 7
Yup and re-open the story and freakin’ report it. Maybe Bill Moyers’ll give Dan airtime.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 3
Jail?
The Republicans have been smarting over Rather ever since he took Nixon on.
Dang, I had to reboot, missed out on the Zed!!!
Steve-AR @ 7
Read a bit about how Rather was apparently marginalized just before leaving….
Taking that into consideration….
Really wouldn’t blame him….
GWB didn’t get away with AWOL all on his own.
He had some powerful help.
It’s the story of his life.
A loser who can be manipulated and who is very helpful to some very powerful, very rich fucks hidden very deep in the shadows
Gromit @ 6
For what it’s worth, I’ve still got comments up on my WaPo page…And I urge concerned Firepups to go and tear the bozo a new one.
Civilly and in style, of course. We wouldn’t have Mrs. Howell and Broderella clutching their pearls.
moeman @ 10
Excellent idea.
CTuttle @ 13
Actually I feel fabulous I was #2….
I will always try harder…..
Yay, Dave Neiwert!!
Thanks for being here.
Ann in AZ @ 4
Recent political events have lead to a state of chronic pessimism. Hopefully a drive to Page this week will improve that.
Gromit @ 8
They have changed the comments, moved the comment box to the middle of the particular column, and now they stack, with most recent on top, rather than on later pages.
Dave Neiwert,
will Rather’s trial really be earth shaking?
Arrgh!
I want to play with you guys but got to go do some more crap…..
See you later—-xoxoxo
Good pix at the top of Bozo I and Bozo II.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
it’s bozacious
A couple of days ago ABC had a report on the Rather lawsuit, referring to his work as “discredited.” I fired off an e-mail saying he was not discredited, but swiftboated, and that I thought he would win his suit, because his report was true.
This post makes it more clear that he will win. I think there were some who were trying to say it was about money. Feh.
Ok guys I should be back at 530 am EDT as usual, have a good evening.
The key is James R. Bath. Somebody out there knows the truth.
I do wonder why Rather didn’t bring suit earlier.
I really, really hope that Rather refuses to settle and takes us through a nice, public trial.
George W. would have drowned in his own vomit in the 80’s if it wasn’t for his family.
-GSD
GSD @ 31
you always get right to the guts of the matter.
James R. Bath:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Bath
GSD @ 31
100 years ago, George W. Bush would have at this point in his life, been the alcoholic crazy uncle who was tolerated but kept on a short leash in the family attic.
It doesn’t matter that Charles Lane either lied or doesn’t know the facts of the case. What matters is that he was able to disseminate the party line to far more people who read the lies, distortions and miss truths in the traditional media than read the truth on the blogs ergo, the meme pushed by the ruling elites becomes the new truth. The 4th Estate in the form of the traditional print and broadcast media is dead. It is nothing more than an arm of an unspoken propaganda ministry. There are traitors among us.
More on Bath and Bush:
http://knowyourbfee.blogspot.c…..h-bin.html
LS- thanks for links
Rather is doing what is necessary. Attempting to hold someone to account. But impeachment of Bush is strictly off limits.
Rather doesn’t need the money… he wants revenge!
Spunky old dude, go for it. Fuck shit up before you check out. Go Dan Go
There’s no such thing as “Truth” anymore about any subject…there are only factoids rolled out by the MSM that are accepted uncritically by all the press sheep (it’s truthiness as defined by Colbert).
The MSM in this country are beyond pathetic and herd-like. They’re all so afraid of not being on the inside of the Beltway power structure that they will do anything and accept any lie as fact so they won’t lose their place in the musical chair charade in the Beltway.
Timing: Rather smells blood in the water.
No matter what happens in the elections of 2008, assuming the Dems hold on, I want replacements for Pelosi and Reid.
David, Thanks for posting this. How long will it take before it actually goes to court?
GOP Rules of argumentation:
If is to our advantage, one lie negates 100 truths.
If it to our advantage, one truth negates 100 lies.
Why didn’t Rather immediately embark on this path?
-GSD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 42
me too, it’s hard for me to yell PELOSI 2007! anymore. although I would welcome that if such a thing were to actually occur
Valley Girl @ 30
I suspect that after getting over the shitty feeling from being fired; he got pissed and started doing some investigative reporting. He now has the “goods” on CBS and the Thugs and he is ready to bust some balls.
This would be the least of his criminal enterprises, but David, what do you mean by this?
one willing to falsify (perhaps criminally) the record about not only his own conduct in the military, but also his war-hero opponent’s
Even though Bush will be long gone by the time the Rather business is resolved, it will be worth the effort.
Bath:
http://sugarinthegourd.com/redacted.html
http://sugarinthegourd.com/bath/bath02.html
http://sugarinthegourd.com/bath/bath01.html
Like most media outlets, the Washington Post found non-fiction to hard to do. It takes investigating, fact checking, and research. Non-fiction can piss people off. Powerful people talk to other powerful people and someof them are your bosses. Before you know it, you are upright, upstanding, and out of a job. Fiction is so much easier. Heck, you don’t even have to leave your desk. And that stuff that might threaten your job? Forget about it. The koolaid is kind of cloying at first but once you get used to it you actually start liking it. Eventually, the distinction between fiction and non-fiction fades. Life is good. Why burden it with facts?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 3
Panhandling
Charles Lane is a hack. This is the nastiest tidbit of anti-journalism in a long line of nasty bits promulgated by the editorial page staff of the Washington Post.
Whither the Woodstein WaPo?
Mrs Graham must be rolling over.
Thanks, David, for a comprehensive debunking of this turdliness.
It is imperative that the world know just exactly what sort of man George W. Bush is. Hopefully the Rather litigation will help with that.
Imposter.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 54
It’s easy to get fooled into magical thinking. CBS could drag this on for years.
Did anyone see Wolfie interview Donald Trump?
I certainly have mixed feelings about Trump, but it was nice to see him thrashing Bush mercilessly.
Trump said to Wolfie–’It’s all lies. Do you really believe he reads 60 books a year?’
Tomorrow he opens up on Cheney.
-GSD
Elliott @ 26
It’s BozoLicious!
FunnyDiva
Can anybody prove that Bush DID serve his time and is not AWOL? Everyone is so quick to disprove Dan Rather/CBS, but I have not seen anybody proving that Bush isn’t AWOL.
Can’t wait for the Enablers’ Enabler, Deb Howell, to dig her journamiliztic dentures into this controversy next Sunday! I certainly hope nothing happens in the funny papers to distract her between now and then….
Bush is a liar and a coward.
I wish Rather well in his suit.
Because I so dislike (can’t find the right words) shrub.
But Rather? No basic use for the guy.
Starting with the JFK assassination and all the CBS mis-reporting of same.
The scariest thing about this fantastic post, is the picture of Jr. Can you believe that guy in that picture is President??
The whole Bush story is so clear to me. I can never understand why there is any question about who he is, why he’s there, and what they’ve been doing. All evidence about everything to do with these people is just ignored or buried. Just my 2 cents.
The Daily Howler has a few words to say as well, with links to archives:
Spinning Bush at War — Part 2
Gen. Turnipseed never saw him…
Condi on a news clip on Olbermann telling us what she thinks.
Jonathan @ 62
I’m concerned that he will ultimately settle and all of the “discovery” will be out of bounds and lost in a confidentiality agreement. Hopefully, this late in his life, he’ll just do the right thing for the country and set history straight. I sure hope so.
Funnydiva2002 @ 58
oh much better!
BozaLicious!
Elliott @ 68
Bozonic?
LS at 65
is it about money?
or about truth?
only rather knows
Bring suit takes lots of research and the plaintiff has to do as much if not more of that work than the attorney. I’ll bet Rather wasn’t sitting around twiddling his thumbs. Just finding the right person you can trust to represent your case takes time.
Hello David – Great piece of work. Destroying and tampering with documents has an ancient history. For people who do field research, it’s the bane of their endeavors. Destroying letters and documents goes both ways to protect for the good as well as for the insidious. Galileo’s daughter’s letters were spared destruction while his seemed to be deliberately destroyed. This probably saved both their lives.
Ahhh, the intrigue of those who seek power and those at the mercy of power.
Now that the NYT has graciously opened its archives to us all for free, I would like to bring this back to mind:
THE 2004 CAMPAIGN: MILITARY SERVICE; Portrait of George Bush in ‘72: Unanchored in Turbulent Time
Here’s a link that I hope works…
http://tinyurl.com/2f78r3
This was actually a well done piece by the Times. Relying on nothing but the public record and the Bush White House’s own statements, it proves that there were serious lacunae in W’s service. I’ve always felt that Rather was set up and he jumped for it because he wanted a “gotcha!” document when a careful review of the public record was all that was necessary. This is the kind of work that apparently bores the traditional media to death and they assume it does the public too. Even though only just the fate of nation hangs on someone looking at the facts straight on…
GSD @ 58
He does. “See Spot Run” Part I. Part II. Part III….
Keith O apologizing to Levin for saying he voted for the MoveOn ad censure. He voted for the Boxer legislation. Sincere apology with “the buck stops here.” Don’t you just love Keith?
So Bush says today that Hillary will be the nominee.
Yes, the lawyers. Teh Network has many more dollars to spend on lawyers than Rather.
So he would be forced to settle if they can bury him in legal costs.
…But…but…Chimpy seems so brave and decisive
now in Iraq. How could he have ever been
a cowardly drug and booze sodden deserter?
James Moore, from ‘04:
http://www.buzzflash.com/contr…..04392.html
See the part starting at paragraph 8, where Moore describes TX Guard officers’ anger at Bush’s underfunding the Guard while governor, then using underfunding as a campaign issue in 2000.
Once Bush was installed at WH–with the marriage of his psycopathy to Rove’s endlessly repeating the same tricks–it was inevitable that they now would use the entire Nat’l Guard as pawns, in any manner of schemes (hijack them for the Iraq adventure)or opportunities (keep them unavailable for rescue work in NOLA).
LS @ 67
Maybe he had an epiphany when it happened to him.
Japandrew at 70
thanks so much for the link
show clearly how much shrub is a total loser
Oklahoma kiddo @ 74
The part that amused me was when a White House Senior Advisor called Obama Intellectually Lazy. Now who could they be comparing Obama to?
How embarassing to still be working at the Compost
Although the issue at hand seems to be Bush’s lying and covering up (and getting others to cover up) his poor military record, to my eyes, one of the issues is the whole thing of how Barbara and George H. W. Bush created this monster. I mean – if Babs and George Sr. had been average middle class folks, and their first-born turns into this vicious little slime who blows up frogs for amusement, shoots guns at his younger sibs for fun, etc. the best they could hope for was not to get the call in the middle of the night that the kid had wrapped himself around a light pole in the family car and killed himself. Instead, because of the almost unlimited resources at their disposal, they bought his way through Andover and Yale, cleaned up his messes along the way and encouraged this brainless and vicious twit in terms of failing in business time and again and so on. Somehow, some way, in a three month period, he met a nice quiet school teacher and got married. Now, personally, I have always felt that this stank big time, particularly since the Welchs and the Bushes both came from Midland, Texas and had common friends, but all official notes on the courtship make reference to Bush and Laura Welch meeting at a BBQ. There is part of me that feels that Babs decided that at the age of 31, George had no steadying influence in his life to keep him from killing himself or shaming the family forever (and ruining Jeb’s future) and I think she put the word out among her friends to find a good stiff woman who would agree to marry George, keep him in line, and keep him out of trouble. I think Laura Welch convinced herself that fun-loving George was someone she could influence and it was a good investment in her own future and the future of any children she might have. A fairly good investment, one might say.
And to the extent that she got him to “fly right”, she succeeded for a while – and probably we have her to “thank” in terms of our having George W. Bush as president now since if she had NOT succeeded in getting him to stop drinking when she supposedly did (though supposedly he has started in again), he would have been too far gone to even run for Governor, much less take on a presidential run – and perhaps Jeb Bush would be president now instead of a guy whose political future is in the toilet, courtesy of his older brother.
The Texas National Guard thing is just another facet of the same story of the elder Bushes using their money and influence to keep George out of trouble and out of harms way, but in terms of the tendency to continue to lie about it and hide information, I think that Rather is doing us all a good deed to bring it out, though it certainly is no secret on the Internets.
Thanks David! Remember “You Can’t Just Walk Away?” by our favorite Marty Heldt!
JPL @ 79
Obama is intellectually lazy.
You can be good, really good, at something and get by on your talent, without having to think too much.
bg @ 76
I would guess there are firms willing to do lots of free work on this case for Rather.
Jonathan @ 85
I wonder what the guy uses as a baseline?
Toby at 81
What did shrub and laura have in common?
Bet it was sex and drugs.
Jonathan, Your absolute right. Obama getting by on his talents is way far ahead of Bush.
Toby at 82, George didn’t clean up his act and become the faux born again until he decided to run for governor. You give Laura way to much credit.
Acting on visceral instinct, I don’t think Dan Rather is looking for dollars. I think this has been gnawing at him for a long time. Age is wonderful. There isn’t much anyone can do to destroy your career.
Best Bush AWOL site.
This used to be one of my favorite subjects, but the basics are:
1. Bush, after getting into the Texas champagne unit, went AWOL.
2. After being mostly AWOL for a long period, he failed to report to the flight surgeon for a physical, and was removed from flight status, never regaining it.
3. He got out a bit early, without having been – as far as we know – reprimanded – but there is doubt about that.
4. Since then a lot of the TANG and USAF documentation about Bush’s military service has been destroyed, altered or removed from where it should be.
The most likely explanation for Bush’s conduct around the time he failed to show up for his required flight physical is that he was involved in a cocaine bust, as documented by Molly Ivins and others.
No one can prove that Bush wasn’t AWOL, because he was. His own records release proves that.
Here is an excellent summary site, with links to scans of all the documents obtained from Bush’s military records under FOIA.
Here is Paul Lukasiak’s excellent site with exhaustive studies of those records and others.
Hear hear, David.
dan is rather late with his lawsuit…it’d been more effective if he’d filed sooner imo but as i dont know law…why’d take him so long? he had to man up 1st?
Bush went AWOL during service to his country in the time of war. Period. He’s a disgrace and has always been a disgrace.
The Post also behaved rather badly at the time and just said case closed…and walked away.
beth meacham @ 93
Thanks, Beth.
During the time Bush was AWOL, two friends of mine in the USAF died over Vietnam and Cambodia. I’m sure, had they been given the choice, they would RATHER have been with W in New Orleans, Houston and Mexican brothels.
bellesouth @ 94
I agree.
But at the time, it was a game to avoid Viet Nam.
Many young men played the game.
Many privileged young men won.
But winning the game was regarded as good by one’s contemporaries.
thinking out loud…
i bet as soon as the WH changes hands all these gung-ho wingers will turn on a dime against the iraqi war…cuz we know it’ll still be going on………
The Bush administration better be careful about continuing to use terrorism for political purposes. McConnell is not believable.
It could well be The Boy Who Cried Wolf scenario.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 75
He’s been right about everything else.
Based on the kind of evidence that follows, I’ve been wrong before, but I’m pretty confident this time.
When Ari Fleischer would talk about the release of the pay records he said something very convoluted. I wish someone could refresh my recollection about the exact quote. It was somethig like, “They pay you for showing up at meetings.” He was very careful to use that exact formulation and only that one.
The assertion is true. But that doesn’t deny that they can also pay you when you don’t show up, which is what I believe happened in the case of Mr. Bush.
Loo Hoo. @ 102
Fein and KO are dissembling that notion…
Loo Hoo @ #49:
The reference to the likely tampering with Bush’s records is based on reporting I did originally at
a post I wrote in 2004 based on some key reportage out of the Spokesman-Review. It was in short order corroborated by Bush records researcher Marty Heldt.
Hopefully we’ll be able to bring some of this back under public scrutiny and get some answers.
Whoa, Keith just said he doesn’t want to send his viewers into the streets with pitchforks.
Maybe he will be our leader when the time finally comes for Americans to take to the streets against this administration.
There were lots of privileged young men who used the Guard to stay out of Nam – they were called Champaigne Boys, but from the commanders we heard from, none of them acted as arrogantly as George W. Bush.
Jonathan @ 100
I don’t remember it this way. If you avoided going into the military you had better be a die hard activist. You were given a bad time for riding on the hardships of those who were serious COs and dedicated themselves to active protest against the war.
I’m starting to ge the feeling that the President and the House & Senate are stalling for time while Iraq “rearranges itself” internally (she says euphemistically) so that it can be a clear federation of 3 states or 3 independent states.
LS @ 67
He did not file this suit for money. I doubt that anything will cause him to drop this. What he wants is to depose George W Bush Jr under oath, and he won’t stop until he gets at least that. Dan Rather wants his reputation back, not money.
Jonathan @ 100
This is an important point. I “won” at that game by joining the National Guard. And I was no better a soldier, than I suspect Mr. Bush was.
The difference is that I don’t strut around in a codpiece, and more importantly, I don’t send people to their death in combat based upon a pack of lies.
Not a lot to add, just thrilled to death that this case has come back to life, after it’s seeming destruction in ‘04. The questions never seemed answered to me, and the spectacle of an honest-to-God war hero being defamed while this evader/deserter wrapped himself in the flag has burned like a low-grade fever in me ever since.
Go Dan.
Not. One. Step. Back.
I’m glad people are putting up Paul Lukasiak’s site. I meant to work a link to Paul’s work into the post; he’s done just great and exhaustive research on this (you can find plenty of them in my older posts).
Gromit @ 31
The best fact witness about George W Bush’s TANG service will be George W Bush. Thankfully, he can be deposed in a civil suit while in office, an unanticipated consequence of the Paula Jones travesty.
He and Laura would be living in a trailer in Odessa Texas.
TeddySanFran @ 115
Irony, you can cut with an axe.
QuakerGirl at 107
Hi!
I was in law school and ROTC in the late 1960s.
Being in ROTC, I didn’t get drafted. (Although, I eventually wound up volunteering and going.)
What amazed me was that most of my classmates, not in ROTC and not 4F, didn’t get drafted.
I learned they all had connections through their families to the local draft boards.
I could tell other stories from the time (e.g., about going to divinity school), but I’ll leave it at that.
David Neiwert @ 106
Thanks, David. Good work on this well ahead of this lawsuit. I guess my question is what about this would hold Bush CRIMINALLY liable? Just the going AWOL or trying to cover it up? Something else?
BigMitch @ 104
Mitch, having served 10 years in the Guard, they do pay you when you show up, they don’t pay you if you don’t! I was active Guard as a unit pay clerk/everything else, one has to call before drill to get approval for ’split’ training to even think about being paid for that drill, you have until the next drill to make it up… Otherwise, you’re marked Absent, three consecutive missed drills would constitute AWOL actions…
BigMitch @ 112
And I bet you didn’t go AWOL, either.
Georgie could clear this up by releasing his records, eh not?
Dave,
This is the first time I’ve been able to thank you while you’re responding to fdl readers about one of your essays. Thanks!
Thanks especially for your brilliant work on racism and hate groups.
As always, Loo Hoo gets to the heart of the matter…IMO, the criminal charge will come when he perjures himself in the deposition, as you know he will.
70% of the nation and probably more of the world see Bush for that vacant, shrill, grasping shell of a human being he truly is.
The remainders see him as the embodiment of all they love.
I’m with the majority on this one.
-GSD
“Bush’s re-election campaign was predicated on the notion that he is a straight shooter”
I’d put it a little differently. Shrub himself, as we came to know him for 2000 and 2004, is almost entirely an illusion created by a carefully engineered media campaign, to create a made-to-order facade of the perfect compassionate, earthy, kind, honest, straight-speaking everyman candidate. By early in his first term, Rove’s minions had been infiltrated into virtually every major press organization to sell this simulacrum of a man. And those who didn’t buy into this illusion were silenced.
Shrub’s the cyber-equivalent of a Potemkin Village, complete with the dancing happy peasants. Problem is, the man they chose to dress up was worse than a dud, and the facade’s crashing down onto him fast.. the only problem is, the artists who created this cyber-simulacrum also have guns, armies of thugs and money.
GSD @ 123
GSD,
What troubles me is how complacent the 70-percenters are.
I know some of ‘em.
They hate Bush.
Some give to PETA or ACLU.
But they’re too fucking comfortable and complacent to get up off their asses and form part of a 2-million-person march on Washington, D.C.
Blub
(Polite applause)
Bravo- bravo!
Every time I see a journalist do a hatchet-job like this on an Administration critic, I’m reminded of the Church Committee hearings, where it was revealed that the CIA used to either bribe or compromise journalists in order to obtain favorable coverage.
No evidence, but Occam’s Razor and all that.
The Bush flunkies are going to try keeping all of the plates spinning until 9/20/09.
They aren’t going to make it though.
Here’s one plate that is getting awfully wobbly.
-GSD
Great work, David. Gotta run-see everyone later.
Jonathan @ 118
To some degree, I think this is where they separate the wheat from the chaff. Some guys entered the most unlikely form of service to not get sent to Nam. Others didn’t bother to go at all, but they supported the war. We call them chickenhawks. Still others, like Kerry and Gore, had the juice to make arrangements not to go, but decided to do their service anyway.
KO’s got a hot story from Harmon- that Clusterfuck got congress to vote on the spy bill by telling em that there was copius intelligence indicating an upcoming attack on DeeCee. Now it turns out that the “intelligence” was all lies and bullshit..
GRRRR
Parroted again in the LA Times…
Tim Rutten another “journalist” who can’t be bother to even read the actual complaint before
commencing the smear against Dan Rather…
http://www.latimes.com/enterta…..;cset=true
GSD @ 130
…interesting sign of the times, when one has to go to the People’s Daily or Pravda to get the news…
GSD @ 130
Dang, GSD, are you trying to prolong the agony… Ain’t it 1/20/09???
FYI, new post
Jonathan @ 118
This was going on while the lower middle class kids had no safety net nor connections. They just went. We dealt with many of these dear souls who weren’t sophisticated in ways to avoid the draft. They didn’t know what their rights were. They were so young. Many of us opposed college deferments for that reason. Even our own we encouraged to heed the draft call and enter under CO status. They served in the front lines as medics, worked in hospitals, etc. Our aim was to influence from within. It worked.
What a terrible time for the young men in our country. Even those who were not COs didn’t like the idea of killing another human. As the great Ali said, he had no quarrel with the Vietnamese. They did him no harm.
It wasn’t winning the war that was so complicated. It was answering the call that was so complex, as your reality depicts. Thank you for sharing so much.
Eegads. I must have factored in the Giuliani “I gotta stay a few months extra because of terra” extension.
-GSD
Elliott @ 122
Sounds simple enough to me!
Loo Hoo. @ 140
there, problem solved !
1,608 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizens Jonathan and BigMitch:
As a ‘Nam Vet who was caught very early in the Johnson mobilization (1966) I have some knowledge of “the game” as it was played around the country with draft boards, draft deferments, National Guard placements and ER or ready reserve placements. First of all, the entire system was corrupt from the top in DC right down to the last man (no women) on the local boards. Secondly, I and none of my RA (Regular Army, not draftee) buddies held anything against any of the NGs or ERs in trainin’…even then the thought was survive “by any means necessary”. Finally, none of the NGs or ERs that I trained with would have even thought of missin’ a meetin’ ‘cuz they knew that they had a direct ticket to the jungle if they did.
So, the corruption of the Texas Air National Guard was particularly egregious with regard to this case but reflected the national situation…towit, if you were from the upper class you got an appointment and trainin’ as an officer and they bent over backwards to keep you outta harm’s way…if you were middle er workin’ class you made yer bunk at the Armory ‘cuz if ya missed ya were in the boonies ricki tic.
So, when the story comes out, as it surely will in the Rather civil suit, it will expose the Bush family and its corruption but it will also pull the curtain back on a system that no one will be able to defend ‘cuz so many of us experienced it. The whole rotten system and the class based nature of military service will be exposed and there will be nowhere for Clusterfuck to hide.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, MAY THE GHOSTS OF SOLDIERS PAST FOLLOW THE BASTARDS TO HELL!!
Late to the party here….Great post David. Hard to believe a man who didn’t perform his duty has no trouble telling others to “STAY” until they get the job done.
I hope Dan Rather wins big time.
RonD @ 129
Evidence here
QuakerGirl @ 138
I can’t imagine actually killing a rabbit (or blowing up a frog, for the love of all that is good). At the same time, I can imagine killing a human being who was trying to harm one of my daughters. Weird stuff.
David,
Thank you for this excellent piece! I think I’ll recommend it to NewsTrust.
Bob in HI
bobschacht @ 146
Done deal. See my brief at NewsTrust, and provide your own comment!
Bob in HI
This is just another piece of the puzzle that when put together leads to a disturbing conclusion.
The media did not cover the story in 2000 or 2004 to any significant degree, and they won’t do so in 2007. Why? We had 8 years of Whitewater which was not nearly so interesting as this, you would think MSM would be all over it like they were with the Swift Boat farce.
Answer: The corporate powers that be have dictated that it is not to be discussed in any serious manner, and so it will be. They own the MSM and control the news.
Democracies typically last no more than 200 years, we are no different, and ours has expired. We are reduced to a corporate democracy (Fascism w/ democratic characteristics), where those corporate powers that make up a sort of shadow government give us the right to vote for the candidates they choose. They get chosen by a democratic process known as campaign financing. The votes counted are dollars.
Iraqis had the right to vote for Saddam or Saddam when he was in power, we get the right to vote for Hillary or Guiliani, or whatever match up we get, but there is no difference between the Democratic candidate and Republican candidates on the issues that count to those who control our currency and other coprorate interests.
GWB was said to be a drunk, a drug user, and he failed to fulfill his military obligations. But he is born again so all that is forgiven and not to be discussed.
Today he lies his way into one war after another and authorizes torture. MSM collectively “Baghdad Bobs” us into thinking all is as it should be while we are at War against Terror, fighting an enemy that hates us and our way of life and wants to attack us at home, and only incidentally securing oil resources.
Hollywood couldn’t have scripted a more entertaining show. Makes a Stephen King movie look like a comedy.
Somebody please re-read “Shrub” by Molly Ivins.
Where were you all back when that came out?!
And don’t forget “Fortunate Son” by J.H.Hatfield, who died under mysterious circumstances in 2001.
plus relevant material by Jim Hightower.
This seems largely like “old news”, but it never hurts to revisit for those who were dozing or otherwise preoccupied back before 2000…….
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Bipartisan Compact on Iraq Debate
*DRAFT*
We agree that the U.S. Congress must end the political in-fighting over the conflict in Iraq and commit immediately to a truly bipartisan dialogue on the issues we are facing.
We agree that efforts to eliminate funding for U.S. forces engaged in combat and in harm’s way in Iraq would put at risk the safety and security of our service members.
We agree that there must be a clearly defined and measurable mission for our continued military involvement in Iraq. This mission must be further and continually defined so that the military and the country are aware of the end goal of our mission in Iraq and what progress toward that goal is being achieved.
We agree that the Government of Iraq must now be responsible for Iraq’s future course. The Government must continue to make progress on the legislative benchmarks outlined in Section 1314 of the recent Supplemental Appropriations Act (PL110-28).
We agree that it is critical for members of the U.S. Armed Forces, including members of the reserve components, to have adequate rest and recuperation periods between deployments.
We agree that a safe and responsible redeployment of U.S. Armed Forces from Iraq, based on recommendations from our military and foreign policy leaders, is necessary to transition the combat mission over to the Iraqi forces.
We agree that the continued military mission of U.S. combat forces must lead to a timely transition to conducting counterterrorism operations, protecting the U.S. Armed Forces, supporting and equipping Iraqi forces to take full responsibility for their own security, assisting refugees, and preventing genocide.
We agree that U.S. diplomatic efforts should continue to be improved and that the U.S. State Department must engage in robust diplomacy with Iraq’s neighbors in the Middle East to address the Iraq conflict.
Gary
If there’s nothin about gettin OUT of Iraq- why bother? Shrub can do a good job of status quo without any help.
Gary
Now that I read more carefully- this is exactly the bill that goopers are waiting for – the magic bill that says that they’re concerned about the war and won’t do a damned thing to stop it.
If anything like this gets before congress- dems might as well join the gooper party.
My understanding (not necessarily correct) is that if Shrub hadn’t been the son of GHW Bush, he would have been picked up and shipped out just for being AWOL. (There were draft boards who were letting off the children of the rich and famous, at the same time they were drafting no-names who were literally unfit for service.)
Shrub owes us a lot more than we owe him. He owes us (at the least) apologies and several years in Leavenworth ….
Walter Robinson did — a real reporter — at the Boston Globe.
All it got him was early retirement and a buyout.
No one listening, and I guess it got lonely after a while.
The Fox station in Maine broke the Bush DUI arrest the very day there was a conference call scheduled by three Vietnam veteran Senators and selected members of the press to discuss the AWOL story, so the Rather ratfucking wasn’t even the first time BushCo did this.
Beth Meacham, Phoenix Woman and a whole bunch of us back in the pre-pay days of Salon TableTalk watched in real time Marty Heldt, DeltaDart, Maia Cowan and others put this story together in the first half of 2000. Paul Lukasiak did yeoman’s work there on the 2000 Florida theft in addition to his work on AWOLGate.
Blooging avant le lettre.
beth meacham @ 93
I notice that Document 10 from the 1st site seems to have a typewritten supercripted “th” in the line “Pilot Trainee, 111th …”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
I am with you on that. I keep wondering if the GOP is blackmailing Reid. No one can be that wimpy and weak 100% of the time.
JPL @ 81
Bush has been wrong about everything that has come out of this mouth since he became President. Let’s hope it continues.
Around the same time Dan Rather was exposing the cowardice of George W. Bush in the early 1970s, an article appeared in Vanity Fair (I think) by Naomi Wolf (double think) in which she interviewed Mrs. Ellison, the widow of a Republican running for election back then in Alabama who was a Bush family friend, and for whom George W. fled the Texas Air National Guard to go to Alabama to work on this guy’s campaign.
Mrs. Ellison related an incident following a party in which she caught George W. pissing on the tire of someone’s car out in the parking lot who had angered him. Petty. Petty. Petty. Which perfectly describes George W. Bush, the petty president with a petty mind with very petty policies that have gotten a whole lot of people killed.
LS @ 37
This will likely be EPU’d, but I’ll throw it out there anyway.
The person who may know the most about the BCCI mess, because he investigated it and tried to prosecute it, is none other than John Kerry. Kind of makes even more clear the Bushite terror in 2004 that Kerry was likely to win, doesn’t it?
The great thing is that ultimately what is at issue in this case is whether the Killian documents are genuine or not. But that is tantamount to the true story of Bush’s military service, or lack of same. And that is headed for court. — Those who suggest that it is likely to end with an out-of-court settlement are probably right, the last thing Bush, or CBS, wants is for this to go to trial. But if Rather is really as incensed about the hatchet job done by CBS on the whole concept of investigative reporting, and of the press as a watchdog of democracy, as about that done on his personal reputation, he’ll do well to refuse to settle, because he’ll get major damages anyway and this is the only way the facts can be vindicated. They may even be able to find out who was really ebhind this scam and exactly how it was orchestrated.
Gromit@6
The comments were certainly on this morning and were almost all scathing against Lane.
The Bush family creates fairy tales for their advantage and suckers Americans into accepting them. How far back do you want to go? Papa’s heroic war record as a fighter pilot during WWII (he was frickin 17 years old) where his own dad (Prescott) had to pull some strings to get him a pilot’s position! Then he wasn’t just a 17 year old pilot, but a heroic fighter pilot!
And Dubya’s illustrious dedication to the National Guard. Who even remembers him as part of their unit? I’ve always believed the Dan Rather version.
Charles Lane has the gall to teach journalism fraud at Georgetown University. Yet not only does he see journalism fraud when it’s not there, he doesn’t see it when it is there: he accepted responsibility for running Charles Glass’s fraudulent pieces as editor of The New Republic.
For a while Rather ended his broadcasts with the word “courage”, something his father said was required. His career was courageous. He put himself in harm’s way often for news stories. It is surprising, therefore, that at the behest of his superiors he apologized for a story he knew was correct even if he could not prove beyond any doubt the documents were genuine as they apparently were. He cut the legs out from under his long time producer, Mapes, as well as from under himself. Maybe he had bad advice from a lawyer who saw a refusal as breach of contract and a lost 20 mil or maybe it was bad judgment. I wish him well in his lawsuit, but he’ll have to think of a good reason to justify a rather foolish apology.
I personally did not believe the service records of both men was necessary to have been brought up in the 2004 election. But if it was to be brought up then we should have had an honest assessment of the service records, the equivalent of a simple “up or down vote”.
But what we got was not “Bush’s service record says this, Kerry’s says this, make up your own mind”, it was “Kerry is a lying phony who got medals under false pretenses then came home and betrayed the troops and who cares about Bush’s service record because the CBS memos were false and Dan Rather and Mary Mapes are liars!”
Unbelievable. It blows my mind, today, how the right wing noise machine played the media like a harp. I don’t know when the definitive story on the 2004 campaign will be written but it has to be.
“The mainstream media played little initiative” is kind of the whole mantra for the past seven years, right? And the Democrats are doing little more since winning Congress. It’s just amazing to me that the GOP says something is true or false and everyone just agrees. No digging. No questioning. No research. No followup. I for one am aghast that everyone was just so scared on 9/11 that they have become accepting sycophants. That’s how democracy ends, folks. Not with a bang but a whimper.
At least Dubya’s grandfather, PRESCOTT BUSH
didn’t loan million$$ to Hitler in 1941-42, and had to be stopped by an act of congress, which was, conveniently, not disclosed for years afterwards.
Gee, at least THAT didn’t really happen.
Oh, and RONALD REAGAN was a WOMAN!!!
I can only add an anecdote. I was in the active Air Force Reserves, assigned to Bergstrom AFB, until Honorable Discharge in June 1968. In the year after, I had two separate conversations with Airmen that I had met while in the Reserves. Both conversations occured in accidental meetings – perhaps a grocery store or some such.
Both Airmen told me about a rumor that an Ivy League college grad with a politically-connected, oilman father in Houston was being passed up to the top of the list for National Air Guard service in order to avoid the possibility of service in Viet Nam. Neither knew that I was a leftist radical, and the rest of the conversations were ‘howya doing?’ and ‘whatcha doing?’. Both thought that any service person would probably be interested in this ‘rotten deal’. By the end of the second conversation, the Airman remembered the guy’s name; George Bush.