I’ve heard the Clintons talk about energy and the environmment. They understrand the problem better than most.

So, why are we still using oil and destroying the environment? Wasn’t it Gore who really pushed those issues?

They also understand health care backwards forwards and sideways.

Too bad they didn’t do much to solve the problem. CHIP is probably good, but certainly didn’t solve the problem.

They understand the economic issues

The ‘92 campaign said we HAVE to solve the health care problem to fix the economic problem. That proved to be partly true. Blame Rubin, the Fed and Council of Economic Advisors as well as Bill for the good economy.

I still want my peace dividend!

and the war issues.

Bill kept us out of war because he’s sane, unlike our pResident.

But, he also bucked the public will and the Constitution to go to Kosovo as well as trying to go to Bosnia. Now Repugs and NeoCons use his move into Kosovo as rationalizing going into Iraq without Constitutional authority. Great…

I believe they would make sound decisions that can be implemented. Having someone in the White House with a perfect plan that no one will vote for is worse than useless.

Yeah, pragmatism…wonderful idealism there, eh?

If Hillary is the nominee and if she wins- I won’t shed tears. I would enjoy seeing the first female president and getting Bill back into the White House during some VERY difficult times is not a bad thing. He learned a few things in eight years. Hillary may actually be able to get some things done.
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Name 3 things Hilarious Hillary wants to “get done”!

Hasn’t she committed to NOT doing health care reform until a second term?

Didn’t she call for MORE troops than Bush wanted in Iraq?

Isn’t she the worst of flip-floppers on the AUMF vote and on ‘getting the job done’ and/or ‘get out of Iraq’?

What does she want that wouldn’t change the second a new poll comes in?

Jonathan @ 163

She has a fatal flaw — no sense of humor.

Not sure about that. Calling Cheney Darth Vader was hilarious even if not original.

They know she has no policies which appeal to Progresives or Liberals, so they’re trying to fit in, to be “one of the kool kids”.

If that kind of identity politics is all it takes (and lots of cash), then we don’t have a workable Democracy. She’s running for House Representative of the United States of America. She’s trying to listen closely to every poll and tell people exactly what the people are already thinking. It’s pathetic.

Hillary follows John Edwards like a puppy looking for a real leader.

solai @ 93

C’mon, Timmy, ask about war with Iran!

He asked Hilary about her votes and played clips of her talking about her vote to give Chimperer authority to deal with Iraq as he saw fit. She never knew that Chimpy would *misuse* that authority.
Doesn’t play well at all with me, the “misuse* meme. Sounds sooo hollow. The mind flashes to carnage when she says it. The mind reviles.

Well, at least the press said she had a good week. That makes it all worth it, a small price to pay.

It just irritates the hell out of me when Hillary or anybody talks about their signing the AUMF, … Obviously, there was no meeting of the minds. Very, very bad contract writing 101.

Weasel words right in there.

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She’s waited a very very very very long time to come around to the view that we need to end that war and get out.

I guess the polling just came in.

looseheadprop @ 73

That’s really interesting, coming on the heels of the CA electoral college fuckery.

I thought Rove had quit.

I think the SoS in WV is doing us in too. We used to have about 2 counties with electronic voting machines and now we have ALL but for 2 or 3 which are EVMs.

Incidentally, she is our first Republican SoS for WV in my lifetime! No surprise it would be to screw things up.

Today’s photo is a black-throated green warbler via the always awesome Julie’s Magic Light Show. Love this shot — you can almost feel the fuzzy little underbelly feathers, can’t you?

The Cerulian Warbler has been spotted in southeast WV locations. There’s a beautiful pic of the species here. A very remarkable species, indeed.

I partook of the extra cuppa jaba in response to the HRC saturation of morning chat shows. Only saw Greasepan (that’s with Tim the Enchanter seemed to be calling him) having a good laugh over the consequences of his economic policy.

Ann in AZ @ 181

Geez! Watch my lips! First person to come up with a viable universal single payer health care plan gets my vote!

But that’s crazy! Everyone knows Americans don’t want “socialized” medicine! They want a uniquely American solution, like a massively wasteful and inefficient privately owned bureaucracy!

You need to get with the program, Missy!

I fully realize that your comment has a great big helping of snark in it. But…

Would you believe this?

Nothing could make the point that the public policy on healthcare is bought and paid for. The corruption is on a scale not seen since the Railroad Trusts of the 1880s and 1890s.

When the financial storm created by Bush’s C- economic policies hits the ‘healthcare industry’ will be nationalized as that is what the people want and will demand when ‘healthcare’ as currently supplied, poorly, will become UNAVAILABLE to all but the uber-rich.

theExile @ 220

Marcel’s last words “_____________________________________”

A world class wit you’re not.

And you are?

lhp @ 53 –

in connection with any alleged classified communications intelligence activity that the Attorney General or a designee of the Attorney General certifies, in a manner consistent with the protection of State secrets, is, was, would be, or would have been intended to protect the United States from a terrorist attack.

I think the statutory language is talking about a current certification – one that would be given to a court in the same way they give state secrets (excuse me a moment while I choke on the crimes that are now things you can’t even discuss in a courtroom) certification.

So I don’t think the prior certifications or lack thereof make a nickels worth of difference under the legislation – it is relying on the then current AG to go and file with the courts a certification, done like the state secrets certification, that says to the courts, “I’ve reviewed all of this and what the telecoms did is, was, would be, or would have been intended to protect the United States from a terrorist attack. So under the statute, based on my now rendered certifcation, they have no liability.

The fact that someone else in OLC or as Acting AG found a period of time when there might have been questionable issue on whether the program was legal or whether it was really even “intended” other than in the most tangential of ways, to protect America v. to engage in massive domestic surveillance a la Mucho Grande Brother – won’t matter under the legislation.

That is another reason they might want Keisler hanging around and it may be a concession they have pre-obtained from Mukasey (that he would let the telecoms AND the US officials involved in teh program walk off bc, after all, there hearts were in the right place – ok, maybe they were black, non-pumping & atrophied and maybe near the Republican Oath Card in the Wallet isn’t technically the right place, but it isn’t far from the RIGHT place wink wink) I think they want to try to salvage Clement for later dates and if they can keep all the telcom lawbreaking quasi confined by leaving it with Keisler (who has already signed off an things that sure look like they were misrepresenations to the courts) then so much the better. Get Mukasey hung up in committee and rush the legislation through, then let Keisler sign off and make all the investigations stop bc Congress has agreed that the violations will be treated the same as state secrets. Just like the deep sixing of Maher Arar and el-Masri’s torture complaints. And the GITMO and black site war crimes.

There is no crime that a Democratic Congress won’t bow down before.

Sick to death of them all. Merely rotting in hell would be a far too uneventful afterlife for them – here’s hoping Dante wasn’t just tripping.

WooHoo, Mary on fire!