Here’s the Sunday Talking Head line-up for this morning. (partially via the Contra Costa Times.)
I can sum it up with a single sentence: “A whole lotta Hillary and a few extras.” If you are a Hillary fan, you are in luck today — because it’s a five show morning for Sen. Clinton today. (Taylor calls it the “campaign grand slam.”) If you are not a big fan…put on a second pot of coffee, because you are gonna need it. >(And someone tell Oklahoma Kiddo not to turn on the telly. *g* For his own good…)
For those interested in some horse race analysis, the NYTimes has a pseudo-behind-the-scenes as they want you to see them anyway glimpse into some of the campaign back and forth between the Clinton, Obama and Edwards camps. Speaking of Obama, Digby has a piece on the fetid swamp that passes for Republican banter and radio discourse.
What’s catching your eye in the news or on the blogs this morning?
Today’s photo is a black-throated green warbler via the always awesome Julie’s Magic Light Show. Love this shot — you can almost feel the fuzzy little underbelly feathers, can’t you?
PS — Twolf1 found a cozy little item worth noting:
The President has named Adam Belmar to be Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy Director of Communications for Production. Mr. Belmar currently serves as Senior Producer of “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” at ABC News. Prior to this, he served as Senior Producer of “Good Morning America” at ABC News. Earlier in his career, he served as a Producer at the McLaughlin Group and Tribune Broadcasting. Mr. Belmar received his bachelor’s degree from Boston University.
It is a small world, after all. At least, when you compare it to this find from Mauimom (via the WaPo):
Chalk it up to vacation schedules: Greenspan and his wife, Andrea Mitchell, settled on the date with co-hosts Jim and Kate Lehrer, Michael and Afsaneh Beschloss, and Don and Mary Graham while all were scattered at various summer retreats. Greenspan and Mitchell (both Jewish but not all that observant) didn’t register that the date coincided with the religious holiday — which begins at sundown tomorrow — before 200 invitations were sent.
Wouldn’t want to bruise the gin in the shake-up for the Georgetown cocktail set, now would we? All the Beltway is a giant cocktail weenie. Or a Beach Boys song gone awry. (YouTube)
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Morning. No Joe.
No Joe on the Talking Heads, that is.
Good morning Christy!
EPU’d
twolf1 @ 198
They kept inviting him on the Sunday talk shows, but he had nothing to say.
so tell me, does the wurlitser want clinton to be the democratic runner or what?
they think she is the easiest to beat and they will do whatever it takes to get her to be our candidate
And it was important to veto health care for kids and the Jena story may be heating up. The young man may be safer with his bail denied, but it was not justice. And Blackwater has license to kill. What country are we living in? I am going to hope a homerun. Someone needs to.
Hey, thanks for the nod.
I was struck by the fact that hosts for the party were Jim Lehrer & Donald Graham, among others.
I’m sure one of the rules of good hosting is that your don’t say bad things about your guest in the media outlet that you own/host.
WaPo’s ombudsperson today has her hands full explaining why last Sunday’s coverage of the Out of Iraq March emphasized the PRO-war demonstrators and de-emphasized those against the war, as follows:
** picture of PRO-war folks got premier, above-the-fold placement; anti-war, not so much;
** headlines that made it sound like PRO-war faction was larger, when it wasn’t;
** emphasis on arrests of a few anti-war demonstrators; and
** failure to include crowd estimate numbers in the article [when th anti-war crowd was several times larger than the few PRO-war folks]. Little Debbie explained this as something that had “fallen through the cracks.”
Funny thing how those cracks always go in ONE direction.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01885.html
PS. That homerun hope is that Hillary may hit one this morning. Sorry. ;)
perris @ 5
Also she has the highest “Israel factor” of any democrat: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/p…..Page.jhtml
I hope she crashes and burns. And tomorrow we can dissect her remains!
i haven’t checked the news or the blogs yet this morning (working on putting together the weekly hearing list first)…. and it’s amazing how extra beautiful the day seems w/o all the frustration i get from reading the news.
oh well, just a pleasant delay of a few hours.
Mods, here’s the link to Little Debbie’s column. If you can include it in mine @ #7, that would be great.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01885.html
Saturday boobles
Friedman on Russerts CNBC show talking anout eyerack:
“Shrub should be under the bed in a fetal position”
et tu Tom?
Giuliani’s only hope is to run against a NY liberal who’s scarier to the base than he is.
I think Obama is less polarizing, and that’s says alot more about the perceived Hillary than it does about America.
Edwards remains my first choice of the front runners, Kucinich would be swell, but unless he shows big in a couple early primaries he will be as significant a factor this time as last. not insignificant, but not the nominee.
I would like to see Hillary show independence from the Israel lobby, maybe putting America first instead of some tin-pot dictatorship (of the military) like Israel.
I’m betting the Democrats fold on getting Blackwater out of Iraq. Now that the Iraqi’s are angry it will only take one more Blackwater accident to start some angry mob action.
Five shows . . . yawn. Why not just let her say her whole deal in a few words: we gotta get the undiscovered Iraq oil, Bush & cronies just didn’t do it right. That’s where we are headed, same place we are headed now. Real question is: who’s going to keep lending the U.S. more money, and keep placing their accounts in dollars, on those terms? Murdoch, Fortune Magazine, etc. are “backing” Clinton now. Can they be thinking the next president is toast — better that its a Dem — in four years (or maybe less) we’ll have fascism in earnest. Naw, it can’t happen here.
IntelVet @ 15
she has become a corporate tool
this is demonstrated by how here “health care” plan actually puts more power and profit into private health care
her husband is the person that is largely responsible for consolidation of media ownership and I have not once heard him recognize that that has been the downfall of America, allowing corporate power to lie and convince people to vote against themselves with shows like hannity and limburger
for those of you that didn’t know it, foux opinion lost billions of dollars for years and didn’t make a red penny till hanity
they don’t need to turn a profit on the actual show, their profit is realized through the law they are able to buy with their intelectual inflluence
there was a time I thought bill did everything right…until I understood that he borrowed from social security, a fund he is not entitled to borrow unless it gives positive return back to those same cofferrs and till I found out he could have done something abuot corporate media and didn’t
Afteryou’ve finished crying over the WaPo’s continued incompetency/malfeasance, you can laugh over same:
Take today’s “Outlook” section.
Fold in half along the fold.
Read headlines across:
Top of page: War and Terror Inc. & OMG, Your Kid’s in College.
Bottom of page: What Makes Up My Mind? & BEER!! SEX!!
The Lieberman-Kyl amendment: http://www.tinyrevolution.com/…..01747.html
I expect this to pass nearly unanimously. IIRC, the bill to require the president to come back to congress before attacking Iran was defeated nearly unanimously.
A late good morning, pups. Today the NYT has Modo, Friedman and Rich. MoDo wonders if Rudy would take a call from the little wife in the middle of a global crisis, Mr. Friedman writes about capitalism in China, and Mr. Rich springs to Larry Craig’s defense, well, sort of …
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
If there are any other late risers like me the coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got apple pecan muffins just out of the oven. Have a great Sunday.
perris @ 18
i don’t think it’s fair to blame clinton for SS – it was LBJ, iirc, who put SS revenues into the general budget.
otoh, it’s completely fair to lay media consolidation at clinton’s feet. and banking deregulation and killing iraqi sanctions (and bombing) and nafta (and the hollowing out of our middle class mfg jobs) and trade policies that caused the deaths of thousands (or more) people…. he did some good things and some very, very bad things. it was easy not to see the bad things, since very few people were talking about them – being primarily concerned with whitewater and a stained blue dress.
Obama’s pollster says that traditional polls don’t count cell phone ussers without land lines and that these people support Obama.
I think that this election will have high turnout because of the war many young people don’t vote unless its a high turnout election.
Obama will get a lot of the youth vote but kids tend to be dreamers I wonder if Dennis will surprise people by getting third or fourth in Iowa?
Also a lot of poor people only have a cell phone because they can’t afford a cell and a land line. Given the growth in cell phones and a high turnout election I’m thinking the polls are wrong.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/swee……html#more
Marion in Savannah @ 21
BTW, NYT has “torn down the wall,” so you can go right to their site get access the former “prisoners.” Although in Friedman’s case, . . . .
Good Morning everyone!
I wonder what happens if the 70% against the war learn that Hilary, Obama and Edwards want to keep troops in Iraq?
If the establishment candidates can’t sell us down a gilded path will the MSM suddenly put Rudy on all the Sunday TV shows?
perris @ 5
With Bush-in-a-Dress as the ‘Demcrat’ Party nominee the ‘conservative’ ReichWing cannot lose as she will continue the failed GWOT in a fashion every bit as stupid as Mr. Decider. She will be a disaster for the nation as she will ‘triangulate’ us into the very policies we need to turn away from.
If you can get to Iowa, or help with cash, support Edwards and turn back the rising tide of fascism now.
Before it’s too damn late.
wigwam @ 9
Hmm, where’s Kucinich on that list? Intentionally left off?
Mauimom @ 24
I realize that, but some folks like the convenience, and a few don’t like to give the NYT their “clicks,” not wanting to encourage them to print more of people like Brooks and Collins and MoDo.
Also, for fabulous deconstruction of exactly how awful the media is The Daily Howler is invaluable. They have archives back to the 90s.
200 hundred billion additional dollars……….
“Asselephants” and “Corpocraticrepugs”
American Blood and Iraq Oil?
BTW Exxon Profits???
wigwam @ 20
the lieberman-kyl bill is very dangerous legislation (worse than lieberman’s s.2073). it should be soundly defeated – if our senate is sane.
i don’t think the senate ever considered webb’s bill to require congressional approval for an attack on iran… although the house did consider a similar bill (in the form of an amendment to the prior defense authorization bill). it failed, 134 to 286, with 99 dems voting against it (and several not voting, including speaker pelosi).
Say! OT: What will Miss Nancy and ‘Gutless’ Reid choose to give away next.
They’ve already disposed of:
Habeas Corpus….
Made it the law that every American can be spied on at any time….
Condemned hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans and millions of Iraqis to death so they can ‘win’ in 2008…
Allowed the Limbaughs, Hannities and Liebermans to suppress free speech…
What next I wonder? Oh…oh..oh…I got it…I got it…
This is……..
perris @ 18
I checked googles finance page on fox news the 5 year chart shows a 2 for 1 split in 2004.
During the last three years they have been from $15 to just over $20 a share Rupert is not making money in the news business despite America fighting in two countries.
If big media can’t sell stories with a war going on…well maybe its because nobody is buying the lies anymore. KO passed O’Reily in ratings we have won/become the center! The MSM is having stagnant stock growth because of their support for Bush! Sometimes I love the invisible hand of the market, for whether its big media or France having better healthcare for less money the GOP always claims they make money. But in reality its all about crony capitalism for them.
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:NWS.A
Good Morning! =
A.Citizen @ 32
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi need a primary challenge. If we focus on just those two and concentrate our resources maybe we can make an example of them for the other Democrats to fear.
Washington Journal CSPAN 1 on now
Lt Col Robert Maginnis (ret.)
Human Events columnist
A.Citizen @ 32
Retroactive immunity for illegal surveillance activities: http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Elliott @ 36
on PMCs such as Blackwater
he’s not scahill
things come undone @ 33
it’s great news for me to hear there are people that don’t buy the fox spin machine
but there are those that do and that’s where the danger is, these people actually think it’s an “opinion” thing, who is right and who is wrong
it really is incredible, if a president lies and someone reports it, as far as these people are concerned they are not “balanced” unless the source also says “he didn’t lie”
that’s not a balance, the truth is the truth, it doesn’t “balance” the truth when you say the truth is false.
also, ko’s point of view has ALWAYS been the “middle”, the progressive point of view has always been the majority point of view, but with corporate spin, people think they are not liberals when they clearly are
the main reason there is corporate media is so they can buy law, not to make money on that particular program or broadcast
for instance, big oil somehow gets the largest tax giveaway in history right at the time they have the greatest profit since the beginning of time
that is why they invest in media, not to show profit per show but to buy law and show profit somewhere else
things come undone @ 35
On a similar note, I checked an only two of the 22 dems who voted against MoveOn are up for re-election in ‘08: Baucus and Landrieu (IIRC). Statistically, one would expect one third of them to be up.
mack @ 14
I can tell you the Hillary Rudy scenario is causing ALOT of worry at the DNC and flowing downstream through the party to NY. Much sleep being lost over that one.
In which case Bloomie may enter as a spoiler–but I don’t know that I buy his ananlysis that he takes more vote away from Rudy than from Hillary
Here’s a comment [from the Post site] on the Debbie Howell article that really sums it all up:
Good morning loosehead :)
looseheadprop @ 41
yikes! what an idea
Hillary v Rudy — – — then toss in Bloomie !
Wigwam @ 40 Baucus and Landrieu then should be or targets if we can find blue America primary challengers for them it may be to late.
Elliott @ 44
bloom wins if that one in a heartbeat
I would probably rather see bloom then I would like to see hilary…so long as bloom ran as the liberal he really is and not as a faux republican
egregious,
do you have a trip to Siberia coming up?
believe it or not, I have to go to work this sunday morn
must make up for atoning yesterday
then some tennis, then a drive up north
see all later
perris @ 48
g’bye!
Elliott @ 47
My trips are generally to St. Petersburg children’s hospital. I’m on kind of a sabbatical from this travel for a while to sort out some personal stuff. Of course the program continues, as does our charity’s support for it.
things come undone @ 16
And I’m SURE Blackwater has NO IDEA how to put down some angry mob action….
perris@ 39
Let the 30%ers keep buying Fox spin we don’t need them and even with a fairness doctrine in place on the press it would take years to deprogram them.
Let the big oil companies buy the press for now until we can break up the media corporations and put in a fairness doctrine again.
Apperently given the polls their media buy dollars are not buying them the public support for their oil war that they wanted.
If anything its fueling a backlash Bush loosing this war despite the spineless Democrats giving him everything he wanted to fight this war places the blame for that failure on Bush and the oil companies.
We just need to work harder to demonize Bush the media and big oil.
wigwam @ 37
Don’t forget there was a peroid of time when “the Program” was NOT certified. This still leaves liabilty for that period.
I wonder why they didn’t close that loop? Why go to the trouble of giving retroactive immunity, and leave a gap?
egregious-50
Have faith that the good you do will guide you on your journey through the personal stuff you’re dealing with.
Smgumby @ 51
Funny! they will only make things worst if they put down a mob their way.
egregious @ 50
Oh, thanks for explaining. It’s so nice to know the some of the needy little ones are getting the heart-felt help they need over there, thanks to you and your organization
things come undone @ 23
Morning! You know I just gave up my land line about a month ago. It was AT&T. Enough said?
Thank you M’man. Much appreciated.
Millineryman @ 54
Hear Hear!
and Hi MM! any adventures out today?
egregious @ 43
eg what are doing up so early after hosting late night?
don’t you ever sleep?
Elliott @ 44
There are so many meetings and conference calls in this scenario –just the ones I know about,and I’m nobody, so imagine how many there are in total.
looseheadprop @ 41
thanks for the inside perspective. nice to know what they are thinking..
egregious_58
You’re welcome.
Elliot_59
My car broke down yesterday. I was very lucky it was local, so I’m waiting on the dreaded phone from the auto repair shop.
looseheadprop @ 41
?Hilary is making the DNC nervous why? Or are they worried about Rudy in particular against Hilary
Perris,
Bloomberg quit the Republican party a couple’few months ago. He is now registered as a “blank”. In NY we have an “Independance Party”, so if you don’t want to be affiliated wiht any pary, you are called a blank.
So, yeah, I think he would run more to the left.
Loo Hoo @ 57 I haven’t had a land line in years I got sick of telemarketers.
looseheadprop @ 60
Does it destroy my reputation if I tell you I get a nap before late late goes up?
Sleep is very Biblical. In the Old Testament, Elisha the prophet is having a down day. In fact he’s downright depressed. So the angel of the Lord comes to him and says, Eli—eat, sleep, we’ll talk in the morning.
It’s a bit of a loose translation, but check it out.
Millineryman @ 63
oh mercy!
Maybe it won’t be tooo painful …
she says with fingers crossed and hope in her eye!
looseheadprop @ 53
reads to me that the AG can retroactively certify it. but IANAL – what do you think?
Smgumby @ 51
exactly, they would never think of creating a free fire zone or mass murder.
Smgumby @ 51
The democrats would do well to focus on Blackwater. This from the WaPo article:
It is unclear whether Blackwater could be criminally prosecuted in Iraq. A U.S. regulation called Order 17 enacted after the invasion by Iraq’s U.S. administrators provides immunity from prosecution for private security contractors.
Kamal, a lawyer by training, suggested that Iraq’s government could file lawsuits against Blackwater in U.S. courts to seek compensation for the victims.
“If Order 17 provides them with immunity from being questioned or the right to be tried under Iraqi law, it does not prevent the Iraqi government from filing suit in an American court,” he said.
selise @ 70
is a “free fire zone” any kind of permutation of a “free speech zone” , say like the one at the RNC convention?
things come undone @ 64
OH boy, long comment coming–
DOJ is suing NYS to force NYS to buy new voting machines under HAVA. Problem is, Not one voting machine manufacturer has come up with a WORKING proto type that meets the NY regs. ALso, not one testing lab has been able to come up with a test that meets NYS’s regs.
A little know fact, NYS is considered by elections officials around the country (and world) to be the gold standard for how well it conducts it’s elections. So, what ever NYS implements will be the ceiling not the floor for how elections are conducted elsewhere in the country.
DOJ is trying to force NYS to abondon it’s own regulations and put into use machines that don’t conform to all of the requirements of HAVS and the Americas with Disabilities Act, and which would not meet our integrity and audit standards.
NYS is one of the two biggest states for electoral college votes. So screwing up our election day 2008 could definitely = stealing the election.
So, the NYS Congressional delegation (that is the Congresscritters from NYS) put an amendment onto a bill a couple weeks ago that would allow NYS to continue using our INCREDIBLY RELIABLE AND VERIFIABLE toggle voting machines until at least 2010, to get us past the presidential election.
And Brainless bitch Nancy Pelosi at, (I think it was?) 4:30 in the afternoon says she will strip out that clause THAT DAY, unless NYS can get her letters from the biggest disabled persons lobbying groups in NYS saying it’s OK with them.
Frantic phone calls were not returned until the next day (The disabled groups here don’t have big staffs and all, they operate on a shoestring, so the next day call back was not unusual).
So, NYS, reliably blue, you cn always count on us NYS, is likely to be THE battleground state in 2008.
By making it a Hillary/ Rudy race anyody trying to do something illegal, immoral or fattening to steal this election will have a perfect smoke screen.
It’s a freakin’ nightmare.
Thanks nancy!
Loo Hoo. @ 71
wow, imagine if all the Iraqis could sue US for this wretched mess?
selise @ 69
I don’t know. It all seems very tortured (the language of the bill, I mean)
Loo Hoo. @ 71
Now THAT would rate up there with the Libby Trial for fascinating filings!
Morning, all.
Go ahead & taze me, bro. Just don’t make me watch Press The Meat.
Elliott @ 68
Well of course they painted worse case scenario and I didn’t buy it.
Ok as Looseheadprop says we have to watch whats happening in NY but who controls vote counting I assume Dems in the city, GOP in the burbs?
But yeah what is Nancy doing trying to throw this election to the GOP? Why isn’t Hilary making this an issue NY and the eastern states vote first if she can’t carry NY Dems in the other states that vote later might despair and go home after work instead of voting!
looseheadprop @ 73
That’s really interesting, coming on the heels of the CA electoral college fuckery.
I thought Rove had quit.
Is Iraq a sovereign nation or a puppet of Bush’s? If they can’t get rid of Blackwater then any oil contracts signed by this government won’t be valid if a later government claims it was signed under duress and points to the Blackwater incident as proof.
I think a Hunt family oil deal with the Kurds is now not worth the paper its printed on.
that’s funny, PeteCO
PeteCO at 80 — HAHAHAHAHAHA! Where do you think all the MoveOn pushback messaging from the GOP came from, anyway? He may not be working in the WH, but he’s absolutely working with the Wurlitzer. Know it for a fact.
when democrats let republicans do the thinking for them..what a load of crap
why would nayone care what they think
I’m hoping for some questions on Lieberman’s bill on Iran. This is getting scary.
things come undone @ 79
No, Boards of Election are bi cameral. Every single employee of the BoE in NYS from commissioners down to file clerks has an equal opposite person from the other party. Just about every act they perform (aside from eating lunch and bathroom breaks) is down in conjunction with their opposite partner.
Each side watches the other over everything. When there is a re-count and you bring in volunteer lawyers to do the counting. They are teamed up with lawyers from the other side.
If one candidate can only muster up 5 lawyers for the recount and the other side can muster up 8, there will only be 5 teams allowed to work on the recount and the 3 extra lawyers won’t be used (well, they can take turns relieivng lawyers from there own side, but the number of teams will not change).
PeteCO @ 80
Nope. It’s still all about The Math.
Tweety’s on the topic of Rudy and the cell phone call he got at the NRA.
Sure it seemed all phony but that’s what people are talking about today, leaves less time to talk about his NRA/gun history. So it worked for him, I’d say.
and now a Hillary retrospsective from Tweety,
who would have thought?
Secret US air force team to perfect plan for Iran strike
It just irritates the hell out of me when Hillary or anybody talks about their signing the AUMF, because I always think that, most of them being lawyers, they all did such a terrible job of negotiating and writing what is essentially a very bad contract! The President was given a blank check and now they’re all saying he exceeded the authority they gave him. Obviously, there was no meeting of the minds. Very, very bad contract writing 101.
Ah, so Hillary just reneged on her vote not to condemn Moveon for the Petraeus/betray us. Oh, well, at least she mentioned Senator Kerry and Max Cleland.
MtP: God awful. Timmy brings up moveon.org. Hillary says she condemns such a “attacks” that impugn (blah, blah blah) those who serve our country, but . . . (issues that face ourcountry).
C’mon, Timmy, ask about war with Iran!
twolf1 @ 90
that’s scary
.
my bold
Elliott @ 82
In a sick sort of way. Cynical? Moi?
twolf1 @ 90
Ready access to the White House => Cheney. Isn’t it nice to know we have a rogue government? Good thing the nukes are tightly watched. O wait…
things come undone @ 79
I don’t think Nancy is trying to throw the election to the GOP. I think she is clueless and n=more concerned about appearing to be insensitive the disabled community.
DOJ is acting like HAVA is like emissions standards on cars. That if you pass the standards the Auto manufaturers will be forced to come up with technology that meets tham.
The difference here is that NYS isn’t the manufacture of the machines, outside contractors that the State doesn’t control the tech developement.
And the machine manufacturers have no incentive to develope the tech we are asking for, it would only expose how crappy the machines they are currently selling really are and in the case of DRE’s expose how unrelaible back cash machines really are (banks just “eat” the lost money from machine screw ups as a cost of doin business b/c they save so much $ by using them instead of tellers. But if the public knew how faulty these machine really were, they might demand tellers)
Very few electeds are actually up to speed on this and they have all been “educated” very heavily by the macine manufacturers.
So, it is a question of tyring to re-educate them. NYS DFA spent a YEAR trying to get through to Elliot Spitzer (while he was still AG and defending the DOJ suit, and simultaneously running for Gov.)
WHen DFA first began its herioc effort, Spitzer mistakenly believed that DREs, being more modern were a vast improvement over the toggle machines or paper ballots.
I was around during the weeks when the scales began to fall from his eyes.
solai @ 93
He asked Hilary about her votes and played clips of her talking about her vote to give Chimperer authority to deal with Iraq as he saw fit. She never knew that Chimpy would *misuse* that authority.
Doesn’t play well at all with me, the “misuse* meme. Sounds sooo hollow. The mind flashes to carnage when she says it. The mind reviles.
looseheadprop @ 87
Which will no longer be reality based, if these bastards get their way.
Gee, maybe Hillary could give her $850K in ill gotten gains to Move on dot org!
In the debate of ‘Perfect being the enemy of good’, I could live with Ins. Companies still being in the picture IF the program included some rules regarding the Ins. Co,’s responsibility (i.e. They have to actually pay your healtcare bills).
twolf1 @ 90
Unless there using Nukes which Althespook suspects they might this won’t work.
Israel could not destroy the Hezbollah underground rocket bunkers attacking them last summer despite how many days of constant bombing?
The Israelis have some of the best equipment much of it ours and they couldn’t do it with conventional weapons.
Iran help Hezbollah dig and design those rocket bunkers imagine how much better protected their nukes must be.
Timmy brings up ancient history. Hsu. Hillary says she’s for public financing. The mind flashes to Rupert Murdoch donations.
Tweety just congratulated Andrew Sullivan on his marriage and showed a picture of the couple.
Ann in AZ @ 91
BTW, I was channel surfing last night and FOX had this huge masturbatory bio thingy for Petraeus. I only watched about 5 minutes of it, the presenter was standing on some monument (might have been part of the WW II monument in DC) in a shot that looked eerily like 3rd Reich propaganda films–you know, the imperial architecture is as important as the words being spoken?–I had to change the channel before my eyeballs spontaneously combusted, but
What was that all about? It was just surreal.
Anybody else see it. more of it? Am I over reacting?
Good OT- Did you see that Joni Mitchell has a fantastic new album coming out Tuesday?
The question Timmy hears from democrats all over the country is that Hillary is too divisive, too polarizing. (If he really trolled the country hearing from Democrats, he would be *shocked* how many want to impeach his preznit.)
Hi all. I am not watching Hillary I dont like her and dont trust her either.
I guess she has everything tied up, what a shame.
Ann in AZ @ 100
The number of constituents in CT in moveon.org is large. I wonder how many are in NY state?
Elliott @ 104
How cute. Did his wife call him “unexpectedly” as well?
Hillary, if people truly knew who you are, then they would know that you are a person who is easily fooled. You let George Bush fool you, and now you won’t quite admit it. Instead you say it’s his fault because he misused the power you gave him. It’s your fault because you didn’t limit his power, Hillary! The challenge to me is “Can you get fooled again?” I see no evidence that your judgment has vastly improved.
In true Tweeety fashion, he’s making Rudy’s phoney phone call a matter of a poor husband emasculated by his wife.
When will he get the treatment he needs?
Elliott @ 104
Who’s the *cough* lucky man?
I’m not worried about mistakes by voting machines in NY.
I’m worried about GOP tampering, that and Hilary not contesting a questionable election after all she has bent for Bush on everything for the war why trust her to fight at all on any issue?
PeteCO @ 110
no, he didn’t call in
Good Morning everyone….
It sure would blow a few media gaskets if someone else won the nomination…. I am tired of hearing that it is inevitable… just tell me WHY?
Her voice grates on me and that means I would have ANOTHER president that I could NOT listen to. Yeesh..
mui @ 107
Hilary is polarizing for 30%ers! If she wanted no troops in Iraq she gets the 70% antiwar vote. If anything she is to center for the Lefty Majority!
Ohmigawd. Please don’t tell me Russert will be moderating the Dem debates on MSNBC. That’s just insane. Matalin’s little buddy.
Anybody else see it. more of it? Am I over reacting?
I’m sure I have FoxNoise available on my cable package, but I’m happy to say that I have no idea what channel it is, and it’s certainly never made an appearance on my teevee.
Over reacting to FoxSux? Not sure that’s possible.
(oh crap – one of those Ari-funded Freedom Watch ads on Timmeh’s commercial break) My teevee is never gonna survive the upcoming election – now I’m afraid of throwing things at it – for *commercials*!?
not good.
Well, it’s obvious that Greenspan has not been reading Ian!
I protest Russert “moderating” dem debates with all my heart.
katymine @ 116
Because your leaders tell you so. Why do question your leaders? That is Un-American.
What man would marry a homophobic sonofabeeyatch like Andrew Sullivan?
looseheadprop @ 41
The other thing you have to remember, if it is Hillary vs. Rudy, the fundies will surely try and find a 3rd party type candidate. Hell, after their smear of Kerry last time, I don’t know how the Catholic churches can tell you to vote for Rudy this time.
Ann in AZ @ 111
And she didn’t bother reading the NIE.
I have to say as unattractive as Hillary may be… the idea of having another republican administration is so untenable that nose plugs will be offered at polling stations and lots of dems and progressives will pull the lever for Hillary.
I think a better approach is to crush the republicans by impeachment and extremely aggressive prosecutions. Let the ashes of the rukes smolder.. a new conservative party may arise.. smaller… a theocrat party… regional and not much power alone… and the dems will split off into a moderate and progressive branch.
I’d like to see the whole party system shook up big time. Both parties do not respond to the needs of the people.
mui @ 123
What man would marry a homophobic sonofabeeyatch like Andrew Sullivan?
Ron Christie?
mui @ 123
A Log-Cabin Republican. Maybe he thinks he can change him.
katymine @ 116
they keep saying it’s inevitable which ends up making it inevitable.
let’s keep up the conversation among and between all the candidates and US.
Ann in AZ @ 120
Oh he’s reading Ian alright or all the other people blameing him for the housing bubble.
Why else would he say the Iraq war is a war for oil?
Sure Bush I’m sure leaned on him to moderate his statement later but why throw Bush under the bus unless your worried about being linked in history to the Bush economy as your last “cough” crowning achievment.
things come undone @ 117
Please!! The only “little people” The Big Punkinhead talks to is his dad. Russet has no clue what the average Joe thinks. He is just wrapped him in Beltway think.
Greenspan may be the most full of shit rethuglican pawn ever, at the rate he’s going. Now he says it’s an illusion that whatever he said was not that important because nobody took him that seriously. Unbelievable. Somebody should tell him he should just go to pasture and live in his idyllic world forever after.
LHP we are seeing the re emergence and repacking of fascism in the USA.. fear and security. The people are buying this under the full court press of the reich wing media… and corporations.
Do you know why the DNC is really worrying about Hillary being the one?
Because they are hearing from their grassrooters who are the ones who man the phone banks, canvas and do all that free labor that help candidates win by getting the vote out….. AND so have I…
If Hillary is it….. they say well they might vote for her [these are true blue dems] but will not work her campaign, will just sit this one out.
But they will work for down ticket candidates. That will be the good thing.
Ann in AZ @ 121
I’d love to have another thread about money and what to do if hard times are coming.
things come undone @ 130
Greenspan was an Ayn Rand follower. So I don’t think he thought anything of throwing the Decider under the boss. After all, Rand-ism is the height of greed and selfishness.
jayt @ 119
Yeah, LHP! It was on Faux? Did anybody see it? Your kidding, right? (**g**).
Another month coming to an end –the end of the Clusterfuck administration is in sight- I have cellered all the best to celebrate his demise in Jan. 09…All the best you walkin, mumbling piece of shit!
snowbird42 @ 135
Ian’s got the next episode next week, same time same channel, I believe.
Ann in AZ @ 132
All that tells me is that he thinks bad shit is coming and he’s trying to inoculate himself. A few years ago he was widely regarded as an infallible genius.
Sounds about right….
Hilary will have a real hard ride as Pres.
In the long run, it will be better for the American public and the World…
Arlen @ 17
Greenspan is mostly tryin to sell a book that everyone would ignore if not for some controversy.
PeteCO @ 140
a GOD.
Good morning Christy. Morning Pups.
Not turning the TV on for now. Can’t bear to watch this.
How about giving copies of Naomi Klein’s book to everyone in Congress?
Ann in AZ @ 120
Ian had an incredibly interesting post here last night.
Elliott @ 143
In Greenspan We Trust in fact.
I’ve contributed (thus far) to Edwards and Dodd. So, Hillary is not my first or second choice. That said, I will work my butt off to get her elected if she’s the nominee. Are you kidding me? Risk another repub pres? NEVER. The country would not survive.
Seems to me that nothin is gonna happen in the next year. Clusterfuck still has the veto- the goopers still have the filibuster- status quo for 15 months.
Whatever happens now is only set up for the 08 elections.
Goopers are stuggling to motivate their dispirited base- with bullshit like the move on ad. Dems are trying to force confrontations that they are sure to lose that force the goopers to take unpopular positions…get used to it cause that’s the only game in town..
In the meantime, Clusterfuck keeps bellowing his piece of shit opinions about everything- health care, the budget (that he fucked up) , who should be a senator from Nebraska, etc.
No one gives a shit- but he can’t STAND the thought of being powerless- he thinks that everything is about him and always WILL be about him.
Stupid fuck!
greenspan now justifying the war based upon what he thought Saddam *might have done*.
fuckery unabated.
solai @ 148
Who else could win? The media crowned her months ago.
After Hillary’s triangulation comparing Move-on ad to the campaigns of hate toward Max Cleland and john Kerry …SHE IS A LOSER
Ian’s great post
Don’t Reid and Pelosi control what comes to the floor? Let them use some of that to influence the debate.
We’re getting close to the Iowa caucuses and Hillary has a substantial lead–odds grow daily that she will be the nominee.
Everybody should work to get Hillary in to the White house.
solai @ 148
Franco @ 152
Eh? Hillary voted against the MoveOn condemnation, to her credit.
Hillary is a smart opportunist power hungry person. She is a politician and she is going to work very hard.. blah blah blah
PeteCO @ 140
Was that before or after the SOB wrote the letter to the Feds declaring Lincoln Savings solvent. The Bank sold junk bonds to people who thought they were buying government backed securities. The owner, Charles Keating, was trying to keep his development company afloat with the bonds, so someone in his organization wrote a memo to his salespeople declaring that their target market should be “the weak, the meek, and the ignorant.” The bank ultimately went under and management was transfered to the RTC thereafter. And Greenspan says that wasn’t his fault either; he wasn’t dealing with all the available info.
bg @ 145
Sometimes I wonder what politicans are good at sure the Lake is an above average group but we are on top of things, suggest and read books to each other.
We research topics new to us on the fly with the help of Google to keep up with discussions and well we try.
Politicans seem to listen to Greenspan, Rove, James Carville and people who agree with them. They only change their minds to get elected or get campaign money.
Where is the love of pursueing knowledge for its own sake instead of pursueing power.
SanderO @ 154
That’s my question. Christy says the Senate has different rules and that it’s easier to get something on the floor. But, she didn’t explain them and I don’t know any more about it.
But, we know that Madame Speaker can keep off offensive bills, so this MoveOn bull better not show up there.
SanderO @ 158
She has a fatal flaw — no sense of humor.
Jonathan @ 146
I thought so, too.
rwcole @ 155
That will ONLY happen if everyone accepts that, they have here in Florida…I hope there is a silent voter block that will come out and just get riid of her already!
katymine @ 134
Woa!
Nothing I said above wshould be misconstrued to suggest that the DNC is worried about Hillary being the one.
WHAT I SAID is that the DNC is worried that all the condidates will be from NY in a year, when for the first time in generations, NYS elections may not be reliable. Or may even be a total clusterfuck.
Ann in AZ @ 91
folks! she vote for the boxer amendment, S.AMDT.2947 (along with almost all the D senators – feingold voted “no”).
that’s what i’ve been yelling and screaming about all week. they ALL voted to condemn moveon – except feingold who voted “no” on both amendments and biden and cantwell who didn’t vote.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 157
You haven’t been listening to her this morning!
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 157
She voted against the ReTHUGlican amendment, but FOR the spinless dem amendment, and she just spoke out about it on Pumpkinhead.
Ann in AZ @ 159
It’s the “New Economy”, stupid! ;)
You remember the “New Economy”, don’t you?
SanderO @ 158
I’ll give her that. She works VERY hard. I live in central NY, near Syracuse. She’s here a lot. Much more than Schumer. She also bought a summer home not far from me. I’ve never heard of her being there. She’s basically a workaholic.
Israelis seized nuclear material in Syrian raid
The attack was launched with American approval on September 6 after Washington was shown evidence the material was nuclear related, the well-placed sources say.
They confirmed that samples taken from Syria for testing had been identified as North Korean. This raised fears that Syria might have joined North Korea and Iran in seeking to acquire nuclear weapons.
We’ve got two teams on the field who can’t score- but both have great defenses…there will be no glorious touchdowns cause one team has a veto goalie and the other team has a majority- and neither wants to work WITH the other.
The press is forced to MAKE up conflicts- so the news is about trash talkin and training table violations- not game news.
Ann in AZ @ 167
True, that. Weeks go by in which I don’t turn on the TV.
Franco @ 168
She was against the amendment before she was for the amendment? God No! not another repeat of John Kerry’s moment in the sun we can’t have another candidate like this!
Franco @ 164
Ditto!
solai — Anyone can bring an amendment to the floor in the Senate, that’s the lack of control issue and why Cornyn got the MoveOn amendment into the mix, for example. The Senate rules are open-ended on amendments precisely to slow down legislation and allow for filibuster or other slow-down tactics — and Trent Lott and the GOP have been leveraging that open-ended debate rule to tactical advantage, without an adequate pushback from the Democratic leadership. It isn’t the same in the House, though. I’m far from an expert on the floor debate rules, but there are far more restrictions in the House — and the Dems haven’t been thinking about using either house tactically, which is a huge mistake. Trent Lott is an old hand at this, as is McConnell — but so are Byrd and Kennedy, and their knowledge is not being used to our advantage for reasons that I do NOT understand. Does that help?
Franco @ 164
Going by my completely unscientific bumper-sticker poll, Obama is the favourite here in Denver, followed by Edwards.
I prefer Edwards- but it’s looking like Hillary. When I talk to dems- I am surprised at how much support she has- particularly among women.
Franco @ 152
yeah, that why i actually think the boxer amendment was probably worse than the cornyn amendment.
moveon = swift boat?
i don’t think so.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 157
she voted “no” on the cornyn version… and “yes” on the boxer version of the amendment to condemn moveon’s ad.
Geez! Watch my lips! First person to come up with a viable universal single payer health care plan gets my vote!
Chuck Hagel talking about Bloomie running for President on Late Edition. Says Mike would mke a VERY VERY CREDIBEL presidential candidate.
I wonder if Hagel is auditining to be Bloomies Veep?
He was not very warm about ANY of the Republican candidates. This is inteesting
Christy Hardin Smith @ 176
Yes. Thank you. And am I right that Nancy Pelosi does have the power to prevent such bills? Because there’s talk of the MoveOn Ad being discussed in the House next week.
” The Sense of the Senate”…..Jeez.
It is the Sense of the Electorate that you are all a bunch of lying, opportunist chickenshits, who won’t do the job you were hired to do.
Give ‘em head Harry, indeed.
looseheadprop @ 182
Bloomberg-Hagel? That brings up an image of Dave Broder doing things I don’t even want to visualize.
Ann in AZ @ 181
Kucinich.
The Bloomberg/Hagel run is getting coverage. No one seems to know who it would hurt- but most suspect that it would put a gooper in the White House.
Jonathan @ 163
Not sure about that. Calling Cheney Darth Vader was hilarious even if not original.
If Hillary’s healthcare plan does not include coverage for illegal immigrants, who pays for them? The emergency room that the immigrants go to? The doctor that treats the immigrants? Which safety net is she talking about? Medicaid?
Selise said:
she voted “no” on the cornyn version… and “yes” on the boxer version of the amendment to condemn moveon’s ad.
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Not of any importance, but I was interested to read this morning that her brother is divorced – from Barbara Boxer’s daughter.
Re: her lack of sense of humor – did anyone else hear her fake laughing fit on Face the Nation when he said there were some who thought her healthcare proposal would bring us to socialized medicine? I really can’t stand listening to her.
OMG, G.Steph just brought up Sally Fields’ comment. I thought he was going to talk about the censorship. Nooooo, he asked if it was true that mothers would be less likely to go to war.
Morning all. I would have been here sooner, but I just happened to click on the Beach Boys link that Christy provided and I have been lost in memories, playing through my old favorites. Very calming in the midst of all this DC chaos. Thanks for the happy accident, Christy.
Ann in AZ @ 189
Most of the undocumented immigrants I know are scared of many hospitals these days. All end up at one of 2 or 3 clinics around. Not sure if they even go to the ER until it is almost too late. This is new around here.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 176
it helps me… and you make an excellent point – we do have experts. why aren’t they involved in strategic and tactical thinking?
A presidential candidate who openly advocates govt. paid health care for illegal aliens in today’s climate is D.O.A. zero chance of getting elected.
solai @ 191
Georgie is angry at the Dems. Friends that know him say he is just a social climbing angry nerd, who has this wierd vendetta against the Dems.
Ann in AZ @ 181
But that’s crazy! Everyone knows Americans don’t want “socialized” medicine! They want a uniquely American solution, like a massively wasteful and inefficient privately owned bureaucracy!
You need to get with the program, Missy!
Clark Hoyt, the public editor of the Times reveals that had he been the one in charge of the approval of the MoveOn ad, he would not have allowed “Betray Us” in the headline, since it is too too over the top to criticize a military man with so many stars on his chest (especially one for “Valor”). [Let’s forget that several of those stars and stripes were awarded by our chickenhawk president.]
Apparently, really betraying us by starting an illegal war and lying about it, outing one of our spies in wartime….none of that counts.
Nor does being allowed to pose as a political shill and cooking the figures to make it appear that we’re making progress in Iraq…nah. That doesn’t count either. It has been established. George Bush said it. The ad is “disgusting.” (And there’s projection for you. What’s disgusting is the killing of innocent Iraqis and ruining their country, and making a profit on it, GEORGE and DICK.)
FWIW, I did not watch Russert. I never do. But I enjoy Culture of TrÜth’s liveblogging of same at Atrios.
Timmy: why did you put this ad in the New York Times?
Hillary: actually i didn’t why did you put out ads attacking Max Cleland?
Tim: well i didn’t senator!
Hillary: well now you know how i feel Capt. General Electric
Tim: ok
Hillary: we have to end this fucking war you fat head
Tim: let’s talk about Moveon some more
Hillary: this is stupid we’re stuck in a civil war and thousands of americans are dead
Tim: so about this ad, do you condemn teh and would like to the leaders of Moveon taken out and shot?
Hillary: Moron shut the fuck up
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I’ve not heard one question about Lieberman’s ‘Sense of the Senate’ bill about taking on Iran.
This should be a big issue, no?
solai @ 200
Shhh! We’ve still got OJ to talk about. And Paris Hilton.
Most seem to think that single payer is a dead issue because of the power of the embedded industries- but that a form of universal care is viable…I don’t know if this is true- but if it is- I support moving ahead with universal coverage. I don’t advocate letting people go without health care just to make a point.
solai @ 200
Ya think!
They are too busy condeming move-on.
Is the Dem leadership more afraid of LIEberman, then they are of Move-ON?
TexBetsy @ 194
Most will go to the curanderos instead.
Stupendously good news from looseheadprop in the new thread.
Every Now And Then We Do Better Than We Expect
It now appears that the Move On ad has given goopers control of the political discussion for weeks- that makes it a loser in my opinion. It’s helping Move On to raise money- which is good- but it’s stifling meaningful discussion.
great Greenwald post about how most Congressional (D)’s have nothing in common with their faithful ‘base’.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
‘more and better Democrats’ is not possible with an entrenched incumbent like Feinstein…
c’mon San Francisco, get a 3rd Party together and show us how it is done!
Who here thinks that HRC will be capable of becoming the next FDR?
Ian suggested last evening, that we need such a heroic person to save us from ourselves.
Who will come riding up on a white charger, pennants waving, the evil cringing …
the populace, desperate souls, cheering wildly …
Perhaps Edwards, perhaps Gore … um… looks like Hilarious. Will she rise to the needs of the time? Should I hold my breath (or just my nose)?
Petraeus may end up being the most political general since World War Two. If so- he must be dealt with very carefully. The Move On Ad only elevated his status and gave him LOTS more press.
rwcole, only because no one wants to HAVE meaningful discussion. Not our elected representatives, not the talking heads, not the columnists in print. They can seize on the ‘wonderful world of umbrage’, as Michael Kinsley terms it, and milk it for weeks—or as long as everyone in DC wants it to go on, so that they can avoid meaningful discussion.
Honestly, the more I hear of and from Hillary, the more I pray that Gore is preparing for debates with her as we speak! I honestly believe it’s time for an abrupt change, for total reprioritization. Iraq has got to stop being at the top of the list, and under Gore, Global Warming will probably be the top. That will encourage a search for the next big thing, energy from renewable resources. That will bring about economic satisfaction and the middle east will not seem so important without a dependence on their oil. All in all, I think a Gore Presidency will be much more productive to our country than a Hillary Presidency. Or anyone else, for that matter. Gore has the vision we need in a President.
A Sad Passing. RIP Marcel.
demit
Absolutely true– the real news of the week was the battling health care plans and they got barely a mention–Clusterfuck got more coverage condemning them than the proponents got explaining em. No one knows what they are and they will be visciously attacked by every gooper in the land. It’s criminal- but the ad gave em an excuse. Everyone loves a fight- no one understands health care.
Gore ain’t runnin- it was his choice and he said “No thank you”.
If Hillary is the nominee and if she wins- I won’t shed tears. I would enjoy seeing the first female president and getting Bill back into the White House during some VERY difficult times is not a bad thing. He learned a few things in eight years. Hillary may actually be able to get some things done.
I prefer Edwards- but dems need the White House back.
SanderO @ 126
The thing is, I am almost as likely to like anything about a Hillary administration as I would be to like another Rethug administration. She is not to be trusted, and I think her administration will be seamlessly accomplished, since it will be little more than an extention of the Bush administration. Yeah, there will be differences, but not nearly enough. I doubt, for instance, that global warming will be planned for much more than it was in Bill’s administration or Bush’s. The next president will be a sink or swim, because I believe a lack of attention to the right issues could easily kill us all, pretty much in the same manner as the polar bears.
I’ve heard the Clintons talk about energy and the environmment. They understrand the problem better than most. They also understand health care backwards forwards and sideways. They understand the economic issues and the war issues. I believe they would make sound decisions that can be implemented. Having someone in the White House with a perfect plan that no one will vote for is worse than useless.
lhp @ 53 –
I think the statutory language is talking about a current certification – one that would be given to a court in the same way they give state secrets (excuse me a moment while I choke on the crimes that are now things you can’t even discuss in a courtroom) certification.
So I don’t think the prior certifications or lack thereof make a nickels worth of difference under the legislation – it is relying on the then current AG to go and file with the courts a certification, done like the state secrets certification, that says to the courts, “I’ve reviewed all of this and what the telecoms did is, was, would be, or would have been intended to protect the United States from a terrorist attack. So under the statute, based on my now rendered certifcation, they have no liability.
The fact that someone else in OLC or as Acting AG found a period of time when there might have been questionable issue on whether the program was legal or whether it was really even “intended” other than in the most tangential of ways, to protect America v. to engage in massive domestic surveillance a la Mucho Grande Brother – won’t matter under the legislation.
That is another reason they might want Keisler hanging around and it may be a concession they have pre-obtained from Mukasey (that he would let the telecoms AND the US officials involved in teh program walk off bc, after all, there hearts were in the right place – ok, maybe they were black, non-pumping & atrophied and maybe near the Republican Oath Card in the Wallet isn’t technically the right place, but it isn’t far from the RIGHT place wink wink) I think they want to try to salvage Clement for later dates and if they can keep all the telcom lawbreaking quasi confined by leaving it with Keisler (who has already signed off an things that sure look like they were misrepresenations to the courts) then so much the better. Get Mukasey hung up in committee and rush the legislation through, then let Keisler sign off and make all the investigations stop bc Congress has agreed that the violations will be treated the same as state secrets. Just like the deep sixing of Maher Arar and el-Masri’s torture complaints. And the GITMO and black site war crimes.
There is no crime that a Democratic Congress won’t bow down before.
Sick to death of them all. Merely rotting in hell would be a far too uneventful afterlife for them – here’s hoping Dante wasn’t just tripping.
We seem to be deciding most of what used to be rights are “quaint” and unnecessary anymore, like habeas corpus, due process, privacy etc. Judging by the Senate’s condemnation of an ad, free speech seems to be on the way out next.
So if free speech is not a right anymore, I have a request for speech to ban. I would nominate the phrase “on the ground” be banned from either the English language or at least not be allowed to be uttered in the United States.
egregious @ 4
Marcel’s last words “_____________________________________”
A FabLog I never dreamed I’d have to write –
The Baroque Cluenessness of Frank Rich
theExile @ 220
A world class wit you’re not.
bMary @ 218
WooHoo, Mary on fire!
Bluetoe @ 222
And you are?
PeteCO @ 197
I fully realize that your comment has a great big helping of snark in it. But…
Would you believe this?
Nothing could make the point that the public policy on healthcare is bought and paid for. The corruption is on a scale not seen since the Railroad Trusts of the 1880s and 1890s.
When the financial storm created by Bush’s C- economic policies hits the ‘healthcare industry’ will be nationalized as that is what the people want and will demand when ‘healthcare’ as currently supplied, poorly, will become UNAVAILABLE to all but the uber-rich.
The Cerulian Warbler has been spotted in southeast WV locations. There’s a beautiful pic of the species here. A very remarkable species, indeed.
I partook of the extra cuppa jaba in response to the HRC saturation of morning chat shows. Only saw Greasepan (that’s with Tim the Enchanter seemed to be calling him) having a good laugh over the consequences of his economic policy.
PeteCO @ 80
I think the SoS in WV is doing us in too. We used to have about 2 counties with electronic voting machines and now we have ALL but for 2 or 3 which are EVMs.
Incidentally, she is our first Republican SoS for WV in my lifetime! No surprise it would be to screw things up.
Ann in AZ @ 91
Weasel words right in there.
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She’s waited a very very very very long time to come around to the view that we need to end that war and get out.
I guess the polling just came in.
mui @ 98
Well, at least the press said she had a good week. That makes it all worth it, a small price to pay.
peanutbutter @ 188
They know she has no policies which appeal to Progresives or Liberals, so they’re trying to fit in, to be “one of the kool kids”.
If that kind of identity politics is all it takes (and lots of cash), then we don’t have a workable Democracy. She’s running for House Representative of the United States of America. She’s trying to listen closely to every poll and tell people exactly what the people are already thinking. It’s pathetic.
Hillary follows John Edwards like a puppy looking for a real leader.
rwcole @ 215
Name 3 things Hilarious Hillary wants to “get done”!
Hasn’t she committed to NOT doing health care reform until a second term?
Didn’t she call for MORE troops than Bush wanted in Iraq?
Isn’t she the worst of flip-floppers on the AUMF vote and on ‘getting the job done’ and/or ‘get out of Iraq’?
What does she want that wouldn’t change the second a new poll comes in?
rwcole @ 217
So, why are we still using oil and destroying the environment? Wasn’t it Gore who really pushed those issues?
Too bad they didn’t do much to solve the problem. CHIP is probably good, but certainly didn’t solve the problem.
The ‘92 campaign said we HAVE to solve the health care problem to fix the economic problem. That proved to be partly true. Blame Rubin, the Fed and Council of Economic Advisors as well as Bill for the good economy.
I still want my peace dividend!
Bill kept us out of war because he’s sane, unlike our pResident.
But, he also bucked the public will and the Constitution to go to Kosovo as well as trying to go to Bosnia. Now Repugs and NeoCons use his move into Kosovo as rationalizing going into Iraq without Constitutional authority. Great…
Yeah, pragmatism…wonderful idealism there, eh?