alrighty, then!

2

hiya

Howard Dean!

Badger,Badger,Badger…

My name is Suzanne and I am a voter. I will not sit down and shut up. Move On speaks for me.

Nicely tell downstairs, please.

Excellent, Teddy.

I WILL NOT SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. I WILL KEEP SCREAMING TILL OUR COUNTRY STARTS TO CHANGE!

We are not building a movement to succeed in fourteen short months in removing all the vestiges of authoritarianism and fascism from our shores.

Working since 9/12/01 is a bit more than 14 months.

how often do you get to have a temper tantrum and stomp your feet in the middle of a blog! Yeay!

Evening all. Great post Teddy. I for one have never been very good at sitting down and shutting up. Do not intend to start now. I am also an Okie. We have long memories and are strong believers in the big payback.

One of the main purposes of NCLB is to make sure people don’t learn to analyze and judge. Rote, fill in the blank, have the right answer. I’m convinced this is a huge part of the “educational” initiative.

Told downstairs, Suz. Good evening, Teddy!

I am Kirk Murphy and I am a citizen and a voter.

I will not sit down and shut up.

I will stand up and speakout – as is my my right as a ciizen under our Constitution.

I won’t wait for our craven Senators to find their verterbrae long enough to stand with us.

Moveon speaks for me – as does TeddySanFran.

I put up a diary on the Everglades

Recommendations will not be turned away!

SnarKassandra @ 10

how often do you get to have a temper tantrum and stomp your feet in the middle of a blog! Yeay!

i did it the other day

it were embarrassing

i don’t resile though

some things need to be made
crystal clear.

Thanks, LooHoo.

My mother, in our weekly phone call tonight, reminded me that the best way to get me to do something as a child was to tell me that I could not do it. She claims I am still rebellious.

Well said!

And I say that we will ‘Throw out the Trash’ when we next get the chance ’cause it’s stinkin’ up our nation.

And yeah I knew it was gonna be a long haul.

So what?

You folks got something better to do than roll back the ‘conservative’ clusterfuck our political ‘aristocracy’ has allowed our nation to become become while they played their ‘Village People’ charade?

I don’t.

I love that song Teddy! WoooHoo Long Haul.

Ot, but it’s the weekend…

For me, this is no surprise.

But the buzz emanating from its famous trading floor is dying down as computerized trading has rapidly reduced the need for face-to-face transactions. In the next several weeks, the exchange plans to shut two trading rooms that were added decades ago, when its status as the place to buy and sell stocks was unchallenged.

When the latest retreat is complete, the exchange floor will be half the size it was at its peak. The “crowd” — the brokers and clerks on the floor — has dwindled to about 1,700 from a high of more than 3,000. Before the exchange became a public company in 2005, its members controlled 1,366 seats, or licenses to trade. Now, about 800 brokers pay the annual $50,000 fee for a license.

I’ve been watching this happening over the past two years. The traffic at Rector Street is less than half of what it was three years ago. The folks at Wall Street are increasingly service people, and longtime friends who were pretty far up there have taken jobs at half their salaries and have been shoved in to ‘back office’ operations. Folks who were once on the floor are qualifying leads and training their replacements.

This was the engine of New York’s economy, and it’s vanishing like smoke. I don’t know what they’re gonna fill the Freedom Tower with. South of Tribecca is becoming a ghost town.

The USA. We used to be somebody.

“As far as the claim that he was beaten, I will tell you that he looks fine to me,” said Judge Mukasey, who was nominated by President Bush last week to be his third attorney general and is now facing Senate confirmation hearings. “You want to have him examined, you can make an application. If you want to file a lawsuit, you can file a civil lawsuit.”

Even though Mr. Awadallah was not charged at the time with any crime and had friends and family in San Diego who would vouch that he had no terrorist ties, Judge Mukasey ordered that he be held indefinitely, a ruling he made in the cases of several other so-called material witnesses in the Sept. 11 investigations. A prison medical examination later identified the bruises across his body.

Judge Mukasey’s comments at the 2001 hearing were revealed in a once-secret 16-page transcript provided to The New York Times by a lawyer for Mr. Awadallah.

NYT

The Dems think this POS is just fine.

Suzanne @ 16

Thanks, LooHoo.

My mother, in our weekly phone call tonight, reminded me that the best way to get me to do something as a child was to tell me that I could not do it. She claims I am still rebellious.

i have a tiny bit of that inside me

Suzanne @ 16

Thanks, LooHoo.

My mother, in our weekly phone call tonight, reminded me that the best way to get me to do something as a child was to tell me that I could not do it. She claims I am still rebellious.

Mother knows best! Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri!!!

Thank you TSF. A beautiful summary of where we are at and an inspiring reminder of what we must do.
I will not sit down and shut up.
Never have, never will.

SnarKassandra @ 21

Suzanne @ 16

Thanks, LooHoo.

My mother, in our weekly phone call tonight, reminded me that the best way to get me to do something as a child was to tell me that I could not do it. She claims I am still rebellious.

i have a tiny bit of that inside me

i believe it is a common character trait here at the Lake.

SnarKassandra @ 10

how often do you get to have a temper tantrum and stomp your feet in the middle of a blog! Yeay!

Ha, ha, ha! You’re so correct. And sometimes, throwing a temper tantrum is exactly what’s needed.

I will not sit down and shut up! I will speak and I will vote!

It’s a marathon, not a sprint.

Gotta know when to push and when to go easy.

Gotta trick your mind into ignoring all of the little signals that say “stop.”

Think of it as eight 5-Ks, back to back.

Finish the first one before you start thinking about the second one, and so on.

The first objective is to get a Dem in the WH and a filibuster-proof Senate.

After we have enough Dems, we can start holding their feat to a very, very hot fire.

Suzanne @ 24

SnarKassandra @ 21

i have a tiny bit of that inside me

i believe it is a common character trait here at the Lake.

A picture is worth 1,000 words. That was 1971. The outside has changed a lot, but the inside, not so much.

One of the things I am not shutting up about is Hurricane Rita. It hit here in Texas and it is still not cleaned up. I wrote about that today. here is part of it:

e have to look at a new article in the Austin American Statesman that indicates that “In the two years since Hurricane Rita struck Texas, records show that the state has spent less than 1 percent of the federal money allotted to fix or replace thousands of ruined homes.”

Hello, everyone. I wanted to write tonight about how we need not to be discouraged by a very discouraging week. Because we will not win this fight in a week. Or a year. Or an election cycle.

As Jena proved to us this week, we will always have to fight this fight.

TeddySanFran @ 29

Hello, everyone. I wanted to write tonight about how we need not to be discouraged by a very discouraging week. Because we will not win this fight in a week. Or a year. Or an election cycle.

As Jena proved to us this week, we will always have to fight this fight.

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

Good evening dear friends. Hope all are having a nice evening.

SnarKassandra @ 28

One of the things I am not shutting up about is Hurricane Rita. It hit here in Texas and it is still not cleaned up. I wrote about that today. here is part of it:

e have to look at a new article in the Austin American Statesman that indicates that “In the two years since Hurricane Rita struck Texas, records show that the state has spent less than 1 percent of the federal money allotted to fix or replace thousands of ruined homes.”

This is unfortunately typical of Republican (mal)governance.

ccmask @ 14

I put up a diary on the Everglades

Recommendations will not be turned away!

Nice job, ccmask. Such liars, huh? I’ve never figured out how to recommend on Kos, I sure will if you tell me how.

TexBetsy @ 31

Good evening dear friends. Hope all are having a nice evening.

Hey Betsy. Seems we have double header from your household this evening.

Astral Technician:

South of Tribecca is becoming a ghost town.

Actually, it’s becoming a residential neighborhood. Was inevitable. The buildings down there are not suited for current computer and communications technology, either for trading or back-office. Easier and cheaper to move the traders to Midtown and the back office to Jersey City.

They’ll blame their votes on “faulty intelligence.”

It was very encouraging to meet Sam Bennet, the Blue America candidate here yesterday.
We have to have more and better politicians.
Replace the disappointing ones one at a time.
When I signed the MoveOn petition, I sent a note to D. Feinstein that we are watching every vote. Told her that she better pay attention and that her base in California is shrinking, shrinking, shrinking.

this just in:

Bush to Skip U.N. Talks on Global Warming
from NYT > Home Page by STEVEN LEE MYERS
President Bush is preparing a separate climate change meeting in Washington later in the week.

ccmask @ 14

I put up a diary on the Everglades

Recommendations will not be turned away!

rec’d

I am mary mccurnin
and I will never sit down and shut up.
The powers that be can STFU.
Moveon and FDL speak for me.

DrDick @ 34

TexBetsy @ 31

Good evening dear friends. Hope all are having a nice evening.

Hey Betsy. Seems we have double header from your household this evening.

Both computers are working. Men of the house not currently home.

TeddySanFran @ 29

Hello, everyone. I wanted to write tonight about how we need not to be discouraged by a very discouraging week. Because we will not win this fight in a week. Or a year. Or an election cycle.

As Jena proved to us this week, we will always have to fight this fight.

Although as Looseheadprop’s post showed, we are making progress — at least on some fronts.

And I’ve got to add that every time I see (ID-CT), I see (IDIOT). Projection, I know, but still . . .

TexBetsy @ 38

this just in:

Bush to Skip U.N. Talks on Global Warming
from NYT > Home Page by STEVEN LEE MYERS
President Bush is preparing a separate climate change meeting in Washington later in the week.

Well there’s a surprise. They might ask his energy company buddies to sacrifice a teensy bit of their profits.

Wow. Early for me…good night, all. The best of all possible tomorrows to you.

TexBetsy @ 38

this just in:

Bush to Skip U.N. Talks on Global Warming
from NYT > Home Page by STEVEN LEE MYERS
President Bush is preparing a separate climate change meeting in Washington later in the week.

he doesn’t want a repeat of the smell of sulfur being commented upon by the next person to use the lectern at the un like last time

TexBetsy @ 31

Good evening dear friends. Hope all are having a nice evening.

It just grew a little brighter with your presence…!!! 8-)

TexBetsy @ 38

this just in:

Bush to Skip U.N. Talks on Global Warming
from NYT > Home Page by STEVEN LEE MYERS
President Bush is preparing a separate climate change meeting in Washington later in the week.

. . . where he will speak firmly with the White House Staff about the thermostat settings in the second floor residence.

Well my classmates will be voting in 2009 or 2010. Get more of us interested.

Night RonD.

Good night, RonD.

Good work.

Since we’re not supposed to talk about Major League Baseball any more, I will talk instead about Major League Fuckery. In tonight’s episode, an Army contracting officer is accused of taking almost ten million dollars in bribes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..or.html?hp

Sleep well Dr D.

kirk — ygm.

Thanks, Kirk.

TexBetsy @ 52

Sleep well Dr D.

Not me, RonD.

Goodnight RonD. Peaceful dreams.

Sorry D & D.

DrDick @ 32

SnarKassandra @ 28

One of the things I am not shutting up about is Hurricane Rita. It hit here in Texas and it is still not cleaned up. I wrote about that today. here is part of it:

This is unfortunately typical of Republican (mal)governance.

Welcome to our world, here in “still waiting for funds” Louisiana. The Road Home program will be out of money by the end of the month with an estimated 2-3Billion more needed. Think DC’s gonna pony up? This is all nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophecy, making government so incompetent so they can stand up and say “see? we told you the government was broken!”

my name is lolo, and Teddy and MoveOn speak for me! TEDDY! …..that was an inspiring post. I think I feel this horrible cloud of last week getting sucked out of my atmosphere. Thank you.

Loo Hoo. @ 33

ccmask @ 14

I put up a diary on the Everglades

Recommendations will not be turned away!

Nice job, ccmask. Such liars, huh? I’ve never figured out how to recommend on Kos, I sure will if you tell me how.

You have to be signed in to recommend. Open the diary and on the right is the Recommend button. Thanks.

I’m done reading tonite. See youpups tomorrow. Thanks Teddy!

I have family members groveling at my feet, begging me to go get them ice cream and brownies.

Who am I to refuse?

See y’all in a while.

burnspbesq @ 51

Since we’re not supposed to talk about Major League Baseball any more, I will talk instead about Major League Fuckery. In tonight’s episode, an Army contracting officer is accused of taking almost ten million dollars in bribes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..or.html?hp

Angels Clinched…!!! ;-)

Well, well. So they’re all freshly elected, and sitting there for the next six years. So they get to listen to us for the next several years.

Let’s give ‘em hell!

burnspbesq @ 35

Astral Technician:

South of Tribecca is becoming a ghost town.

Actually, it’s becoming a residential neighborhood. Was inevitable. The buildings down there are not suited for current computer and communications technology, either for trading or back-office. Easier and cheaper to move the traders to Midtown and the back office to Jersey City.

I love seeing the residential growth of the area, but as I said, up till now, it’s been a huge percentage of the State and City economies. Also, just look at how little of existing structure is suitable for housing stock in a real estate market that will be depressed for years to come.

burnspbesq @ 61

I have family members groveling at my feet, begging me to go get them ice cream and brownies.

Who am I to refuse?

See y’all in a while.

are you going to bring any back for those of us who cant leave?

Astral at 19, the same thing happened in Silicone Valley after the tech boom. We got guys to maintain/purchase computers in our schools who were really well paid folks previously.

it’s going to be entertaining in a couple of years when our fair weather friends want us to help them get re-elected. very entertaining. May I simply say, to all my friends who think I should sit down and shut up, “Suck my motherfuckin’ DICK.”

John Tester and Jim Webb who I phone banked for? that goes double for you. and don’t forget the taint.

Hello, friends:

Can’t stay long, it’s been a long weekend of zennursing, but I just wanted to say

TSF, you GO. Nice work and I have generally been good at sitting ans shutting when told (middle child, passive daddy), but I’m better than I ever was at shouting. Age has it’s benefits.

So no, thankyou, I don’t think I will STFU, I think I will exercise my lungs and my rights.

BTW, was listening to the entertaining Frank Zappa and the MOthers live at the Fillmore circa ‘70 and if you unfold the insert, it simply says,”Don’t forget to vote”. Love that Frank. Miss him.

g’nite, ccmask – sleep well.

SnarKassandra @ 48

Well my classmates will be voting in 2009 or 2010. Get more of us interested.

YOu are a great inspiration.

Great post TSF! As demoralizing as this past week has been it is important to try to step back and see the bigger picture. I believe it will be a journey of some forward, some backward, but we must keep pushing forward. The alternative is too horrific to contemplate.

madmommy @ 58

Welcome to our world, here in “still waiting for funds” Louisiana. The Road Home program will be out of money by the end of the month with an estimated 2-3Billion more needed. Think DC’s gonna pony up? This is all nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophecy, making government so incompetent so they can stand up and say “see? we told you the government was broken!”

Sorry to hear it madmommy. That whole thing really pisses me off, though it is entirely typical. Screw the regular people so you can shovel money to your uber wealthy friends. These people really are a criminal enterprise and nobody with power seems to be holding them accounable

I’d call for DiFi’s resignation, but, unfortunately, we have a rethug governor, and I think I know who he’d appoint. And that’s just plain scary to contemplate.. so, unfortunately, we have DiFi. Not representing us.

(waving to zennurse) nice to see ya

brendancalling @ 67

it’s going to be entertaining in a couple of years when our fair weather friends want us to help them get re-elected. very entertaining. May I simply say, to all my friends who think I should sit down and shut up, “Suck my motherfuckin’ DICK.”

John Tester and Jim Webb who I phone banked for? that goes double for you. and don’t forget the taint.

What we need to do, though, is make sure there’s viable candidates, and not handpicked successors, or no one (and the seat off to a republican), either…

ccmask @ 14

I put up a diary on the Everglades

Recommendations will not be turned away!

Saw it and recommended it. Very nice diary!

Great post, Teddy. So true. WAY too many thought this was a short ride. You correctly stated it isn’t.

Good work!

peanutbutter @ 63

Well, well. So they’re all freshly elected, and sitting there for the next six years. So they get to listen to us for the next several years.

Let’s give ‘em hell!

Some can redeem themselves, but if you click on the DiFi link, I think you’ll find that Glennzilla has quite given up on her.

There are some on the list I’d like to save, but they will need to repent this vote — we’ll need a clear apology for telling us to sit down and shut up.

Astral Technician @ 64

burnspbesq @ 35

Astral Technician:

South of Tribecca is becoming a ghost town.

Actually, it’s becoming a residential neighborhood. Was inevitable. The buildings down there are not suited for current computer and communications technology, either for trading or back-office. Easier and cheaper to move the traders to Midtown and the back office to Jersey City.

I love seeing the residential growth of the area, but as I said, up till now, it’s been a huge percentage of the State and City economies. Also, just look at how little of existing structure is suitable for housing stock in a real estate market that will be depressed for years to come.

I suspect that in the near term more and more of that back office work will be offshored to India.

Steve-AR @ 20

“As far as the claim that he was beaten, I will tell you that he looks fine to me,” said Judge Mukasey, who was nominated by President Bush last week to be his third attorney general and is now facing Senate confirmation hearings. “You want to have him examined, you can make an application. If you want to file a lawsuit, you can file a civil lawsuit.”

Even though Mr. Awadallah was not charged at the time with any crime and had friends and family in San Diego who would vouch that he had no terrorist ties, Judge Mukasey ordered that he be held indefinitely, a ruling he made in the cases of several other so-called material witnesses in the Sept. 11 investigations. A prison medical examination later identified the bruises across his body.

Judge Mukasey’s comments at the 2001 hearing were revealed in a once-secret 16-page transcript provided to The New York Times by a lawyer for Mr. Awadallah.

NYT

The Dems think this POS is just fine.

All the Dems want is a warm body that will satisfy Bush. They have already thrown in the towel on the US Attorney’s scandal, and all they want is for us to shut up and quit harassing them. None of them are bothered a bit by the politicized DOJ. It just does not matter to them. The contempt of congress issue is an embarrassment they want to go away quickly. I just don’t believe that any of them see any great problem with the status quo. They are shortsighted, incurious fools with no leaders and definitely no statesmen. The whole bunch need to be voted out of office and made to work for a living.

zennurse @ 70

SnarKassandra @ 48

Well my classmates will be voting in 2009 or 2010. Get more of us interested.

YOu are a great inspiration.

But nobody TALKS to us about politics. There’s a zillion kinds of camps where I live, but I never heard of anyone going to a political one. Or after school clubs. Or meet-the-author. Politics ignores US.

I have told the DSCC and DCCC this week that MoveOn speaks for me, no more dollars for them.

And I also am in no mood to STFU. Thank you very much.

TeddySanFran @ 78

peanutbutter @ 63

Well, well. So they’re all freshly elected, and sitting there for the next six years. So they get to listen to us for the next several years.

Let’s give ‘em hell!

Some can redeem themselves, but if you click on the DiFi link, I think you’ll find that Glennzilla has quite given up on her.

There are some on the list I’d like to save, but they will need to repent this vote — we’ll need a clear apology for telling us to sit down and shut up.

Oh she’s not redeemable, I’m sure of that, too. But she wanted this senatorship? Let’s give her a bellyfull of it…

madmommy @ 58

DrDick @ 32

This is unfortunately typical of Republican (mal)governance.

Welcome to our world, here in “still waiting for funds” Louisiana. The Road Home program will be out of money by the end of the month with an estimated 2-3Billion more needed. Think DC’s gonna pony up? This is all nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophecy, making government so incompetent so they can stand up and say “see? we told you the government was broken!”

It is the Shock Doctrine at work.

DrDick @ 79

offshored to India.

Perhaps shrub will figure out how to offshore Congress too.. actually, it may not make much of a difference :)

Teddy! Love your post and I love Crosby Stills & Nash! Now do you have any suggestions about what to do to adjust the Senator’s attitude? I figure they’ve had plenty of time to consider the freedom of political speech issue, so what possible excuse can Hillary have for this morning. And we thought she got it right! That’s why I am so leery of a presidency with her. Just when you think it’s safe to go back…

madmommy @ 71

Great post TSF! As demoralizing as this past week has been it is important to try to step back and see the bigger picture. I believe it will be a journey of some forward, some backward, but we must keep pushing forward. The alternative is too horrific to contemplate.

Backward lies the abyss they would have us occupy for all time. We must persevere.

brendancalling @ 67

it’s going to be entertaining in a couple of years when our fair weather friends want us to help them get re-elected. very entertaining. May I simply say, to all my friends who think I should sit down and shut up, “Suck my motherfuckin’ DICK.”

John Tester and Jim Webb who I phone banked for? that goes double for you. and don’t forget the taint.

Think you feel bad? I campaigned and voted for Tester. Had great hopes and then he pulls this BS. I have been very disappointed in his votes lately and he knows it.

DrDick @ 72

madmommy @ 58

Welcome to our world, here in “still waiting for funds” Louisiana. The Road Home program will be out of money by the end of the month with an estimated 2-3Billion more needed. Think DC’s gonna pony up? This is all nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophecy, making government so incompetent so they can stand up and say “see? we told you the government was broken!”

Sorry to hear it madmommy. That whole thing really pisses me off, though it is entirely typical. Screw the regular people so you can shovel money to your uber wealthy friends. These people really are a criminal enterprise and nobody with power seems to be holding them accounable

The good news is Diaper Dave Vitter is doing his bit, the wanker.
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/f…..amp;coll=1

SnarKassandra @ 81

zennurse @ 70

YOu are a great inspiration.

But nobody TALKS to us about politics. There’s a zillion kinds of camps where I live, but I never heard of anyone going to a political one. Or after school clubs. Or meet-the-author. Politics ignores US.

Good point. What do you think would work? Newspapers? How would you do the camps? What keeps kids from doing what you do ;-) and going on line? What else?

Blub @ 85

DrDick @ 79

offshored to India.

Perhaps shrub will figure out how to offshore Congress too.. actually, it may not make much of a difference :)

Yep. Unfortunately, I don’t think we would notice the difference (except that they might be politer than now).

Ann in AZ @ 86

Teddy! Love your post and I love Crosby Stills & Nash! Now do you have any suggestions about what to do to adjust the Senator’s attitude? I figure they’ve had plenty of time to consider the freedom of political speech issue, so what possible excuse can Hillary have for this morning. And we thought she got it right! That’s why I am so leery of a presidency with her. Just when you think it’s safe to go back…

Hillary has convinced me that the triangulating we criticized Bill for may have been largely her doing. She voted against the Cornyn amendment, setting us back on our heels — “what?!?” was the blogosphere’s reaction — and then went on five Sunday gabfests as her old warmongering self. It’s a delicate balancing act, and she is very good at it.

Does anybody remember the last time someone got to go on all five Sunday gabfests the same day?

madmommy @ 89

DrDick @ 72

Sorry to hear it madmommy. That whole thing really pisses me off, though it is entirely typical. Screw the regular people so you can shovel money to your uber wealthy friends. These people really are a criminal enterprise and nobody with power seems to be holding them accounable

The good news is Diaper Dave Vitter is doing his bit, the wanker.
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/f…..amp;coll=1

He hasn’t evolved out of infancy. Maybe we should mail him a box of pampers. Maybe we should mail all of them pampers.

SnarKassandra @ 81

zennurse @ 70

YOu are a great inspiration.

But nobody TALKS to us about politics. There’s a zillion kinds of camps where I live, but I never heard of anyone going to a political one. Or after school clubs. Or meet-the-author. Politics ignores US.

I think parents need to have their feet held to the fire on this one, but wonder how many parents feel that they might not be able to answer a child’s questions because they don’t understand well enough. Kind of like “Why is the sky blue?” How would you explain politics without giving your kid the message that it’s not worth caring?

Sorry, I repeat, very long weekend, I’m a little crusty.

I’ve been thinking along these same lines, Teddy. There’s a wonderful new book out, “My Life in France” by Julia Child and Alex Prud’homme. It’s not a cookbook, but a detailed description of life in post war France when she had her husband, Paul, moved to Paris. They lives there many years. She learned to cook while there, and loved France, but she was astonished anyone in the states would put up with someone like Eugene McCarthy. She thought he was awful.

Her father was a conservative and complained regularly about “New Dealers” and liberals. Nothing has changed! He even claimed Julia couldn’t really understand what was going on in the states because “all her news was slanted.”

It’s sad but enlightening. We will always have to battle the forces of selfishness and greed. The important thing is, we’re smarter and better than them. And we’re a hell of a lot smarter, too!

The book is mostly about food and learning new languages, and writing cookbooks. I picked it to be a distraction from politics and current events, and it was, but it was also a reminder that no one event, fundraiser or election will be the end. We’re running a relay race, started by the founding fathers. We have to do our part and then pass the baton to the next generation.

TeddySanFran, I’m afraid you are right. This depresses the shit out of me, but I can’t argue with it. Also, once the new broom sweeps clean, the stables will have to be mucked out again and again and again and…well, forever. Which is partly – perhaps largely – how we got to where we are now. Also depressing to have to admit.

TeddySanFran @ 87

madmommy @ 71

Great post TSF! As demoralizing as this past week has been it is important to try to step back and see the bigger picture. I believe it will be a journey of some forward, some backward, but we must keep pushing forward. The alternative is too horrific to contemplate.

Backward lies the abyss they would have us occupy for all time. We must persevere.

Absolutely. I have been fighting many of these battles for close to 40 years. It comes and goes, but we have made some progress over that time. America really is a better place than the one I grew up in, though we still have so far to go. Where we have lost ground, it is because we became complacent and too lazy to fight. We can never rest in this battle, because the forces of oppression and autocracy will not rest until they control everything. That we cannot allow to happen.

TeddySanFran @ 92

Ann in AZ @ 86

Teddy! Love your post and I love Crosby Stills & Nash! Now do you have any suggestions about what to do to adjust the Senator’s attitude? I figure they’ve had plenty of time to consider the freedom of political speech issue, so what possible excuse can Hillary have for this morning. And we thought she got it right! That’s why I am so leery of a presidency with her. Just when you think it’s safe to go back…

Hillary has convinced me that the triangulating we criticized Bill for may have been largely her doing. She voted against the Cornyn amendment, setting us back on our heels — “what?!?” was the blogosphere’s reaction — and then went on five Sunday gabfests as her old warmongering self. It’s a delicate balancing act, and she is very good at it.

Does anybody remember the last time someone got to go on all five Sunday gabfests the same day?

I have quit watching them as it tends to increase my B/P to dangerous levels. How would one manage the logistics? Did she do them all from a remote location or go live on set for each? My abject thanks to all who can stomach these shows and let us know what happened.

TeddySanFran @ 92

Ann in AZ @ 86

Teddy! Love your post and I love Crosby Stills & Nash! Now do you have any suggestions about what to do to adjust the Senator’s attitude? I figure they’ve had plenty of time to consider the freedom of political speech issue, so what possible excuse can Hillary have for this morning. And we thought she got it right! That’s why I am so leery of a presidency with her. Just when you think it’s safe to go back…

Hillary has convinced me that the triangulating we criticized Bill for may have been largely her doing. She voted against the Cornyn amendment, setting us back on our heels — “what?!?” was the blogosphere’s reaction — and then went on five Sunday gabfests as her old warmongering self. It’s a delicate balancing act, and she is very good at it.

Does anybody remember the last time someone got to go on all five Sunday gabfests the same day?

Did she really get a fiver? What a media whore. I swear I’m so disappointed in her, I had such high hopes for having a woman in the Presidency, but I can’t trust her.

peanutbutter @ 90

SnarKassandra @ 81

But nobody TALKS to us about politics. There’s a zillion kinds of camps where I live, but I never heard of anyone going to a political one. Or after school clubs. Or meet-the-author. Politics ignores US.

Good point. What do you think would work? Newspapers? How would you do the camps? What keeps kids from doing what you do ;-) and going on line? What else?

Just like the science and chess camps, but make it cheaper so that kids from all different families can go. Politics stories on channel one at school. Anything that happens more than one week every four years. Have the school library have the books we talk about here, and have the posters up at school when someone from one of the books is talking at a book store in Austin or Dallas or Houston. Like they do when it is a different kind of writer.

I got involved in politics cause my brother was about to go to Iraq, That’s kinda extreme. I stayed cause I like the people.

Steve-AR @20
just was skimming by before going to bed–Have been off the toobz all day. Thanks for the headsup. Reading that whole piece was just sickening.
What can we do to keep “our” Dems from approving this guy? Write to Leahy? My own senators – Cornyn and Hutchison– obviously won’t care about my objections.

marymccurnin @ 93

madmommy @ 89

The good news is Diaper Dave Vitter is doing his bit, the wanker.
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/f…..amp;coll=1

He hasn’t evolved out of infancy. Maybe we should mail him a box of pampers. Maybe we should mail all of them pampers.

He’s got a 60 % approval rating. Astounding.

burnspbesq @ 51

Since we’re not supposed to talk about Major League Baseball any more, I will talk instead about Major League Fuckery. In tonight’s episode, an Army contracting officer is accused of taking almost ten million dollars in bribes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..or.html?hp

And here’s an absurd part of the article:
“It is particularly disturbing that while so many of our military personnel are fighting and dying in Iraq, a few have apparently taken the opportunity to unlawfully enrich themselves,” Charles W. Beardall, chief criminal investigator for the Pentagon inspector general, said in a statement. “Their greed is unconscionable, especially in the midst of our soldiers’ heroic actions.”

A few have taken the opportunity to unlawfully enrich themselves. Blackwater, anyone? How about the good folks at Halliburton?

madmommy @ 102

marymccurnin @ 93

He hasn’t evolved out of infancy. Maybe we should mail him a box of pampers. Maybe we should mail all of them pampers.

He’s got a 60 % approval rating. Astounding.

Oh gawd. What is wrong with those people? Its all those protestants. It can’t be the catlicks in New Orleans cause there aren’t enough left of em.

SnarKassandra @ 100

peanutbutter @ 90

Good point. What do you think would work? Newspapers? How would you do the camps? What keeps kids from doing what you do ;-) and going on line? What else?

Just like the science and chess camps, but make it cheaper so that kids from all different families can go. Politics stories on channel one at school. Anything that happens more than one week every four years. Have the school library have the books we talk about here, and have the posters up at school when someone from one of the books is talking at a book store in Austin or Dallas or Houston. Like they do when it is a different kind of writer.

I got involved in politics cause my brother was about to go to Iraq, That’s kinda extreme. I stayed cause I like the people.

What about something like the College Democrats aimed at high school students? Have local politicians and leaders come in and talk about issues and policies and how these affect the students’ lives. Get kids involved in campaigns.

HRC got top billing on the front page of the NYT today also. “Consolidating her lead” or some such. So I would call it a full six pak.

Good clip, Teddy. Thanks. :o)

(And, at today’s prices, there’s about 3/4’s of a million dollars (conservatively) worth of Martin Guitars on that stage. :o) )

Teddy, thanks for the great post. This is so true. It is going to take a long time to get our country back and we have to have the fortitude to settle in for the long haul. Just because it’s not easy and quick does not give us the excuse to throw up our hands and give up.

We may not see progress in our lifetime. We are up against a powerful adversary. But that does not excuse us for continuing to fight for what we know is right. What kind of activism is it if we only work at it if we’re guaranteed immediate results? This is something I’ve been very concerned about and I’m glad you’re talkking about it.

I’m going to Stand Up and Shout regardless of the response.

Hillary’s fiver. I only watched a little of Timmeh’s West Coast MSNBC rerun; she was remote, with that generic “library” background that may have been used throughout all the shows.

I am from MN and I let Amy Klobuchar know what I think of a US Senator voting against free speech. I also let her know that I won’t be making any more phone calls asking people to vote for her. My time and money will be going to MoveOn. Actually, Franken may get some. I think he may have voted differently. Would be interesting to hear what he thinks about it.

Loo Hoo. @ 103

burnspbesq @ 51

Since we’re not supposed to talk about Major League Baseball any more, I will talk instead about Major League Fuckery. In tonight’s episode, an Army contracting officer is accused of taking almost ten million dollars in bribes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..or.html?hp

And here’s an absurd part of the article:
“It is particularly disturbing that while so many of our military personnel are fighting and dying in Iraq, a few have apparently taken the opportunity to unlawfully enrich themselves,” Charles W. Beardall, chief criminal investigator for the Pentagon inspector general, said in a statement. “Their greed is unconscionable, especially in the midst of our soldiers’ heroic actions.”

A few have taken the opportunity to unlawfully enrich themselves. Blackwater, anyone? How about the good folks at Halliburton?

Well, Loo Hoo if you wanted to you could make a list as long as your arm of those who chose to”unlawfully enrich themselves”. Sadly, the only ones who will be punished are the individuals, not the systemic, widespread, corporate war profiteering. Typical

Dr Dick that too.

Hi Dr. Dick! I’m your temporary neighbor! I’m just south of Missoula and having a great time with my sister on her ranch.

Alicia @ 107

Teddy, thanks for the great post. This is so true. It is going to take a long time to get our country back and we have to have the fortitude to settle in for the long haul. Just because it’s not easy and quick does not give us the excuse to throw up our hands and give up.

We may not see progress in our lifetime. We are up against a powerful adversary. But that does not excuse us for continuing to fight for what we know is right. What kind of activism is it if we only work at it if we’re guaranteed immediate results? This is something I’ve been very concerned about and I’m glad you’re talkking about it.

I’m going to Stand Up and Shout regardless of the response.

Hey Alicia. You here in the Big Sky now? Sorry about the shitty weather (though it helps knock back the fires).

Blub @ 73

I’d call for DiFi’s resignation, but, unfortunately, we have a rethug governor, and I think I know who he’d appoint. And that’s just plain scary to contemplate.. so, unfortunately, we have DiFi. Not representing us.

Think he’d appoint himself?

I just listened to Hillary’s statement on the war on the nooz. I don’t think that she said exactly what she was kind of accused of saying here, earlier. She said that she will bring the troops home as “quickly and responsibly as I can” but would not rule out leaving behind some trainers and counter-insurgency units through her first term. This is about as strong of a statement as has come out of major politician to date.. wonky, but strong. maybe it’s not strong enough, I don’t know. But she didn’t say anything about extendng the war, and what she did say sounded a heck of a lot better than the average statement from so-called progressive Dem members of Congress these days.

Fine. Don’t trust her, if that’s what you want to do, and I am not a Hillary fan for the most part, but I don’t think misquoting her is helpful either.

please, please, please do something about the phony Klobuchar. we all know how Bush, pretending to have compassion, was elected under the mantle of compassionate conservative. well the klobuchar used a liberal/populist theme to confuse the electorate. just another Bush dog. but phony to boot.

marymccurnin @ 104

madmommy @ 102

He’s got a 60 % approval rating. Astounding.

Oh gawd. What is wrong with those people? Its all those protestants. It can’t be the catlicks in New Orleans cause there aren’t enough left of em.

He’s king of north of the lake, and all the way to the state line. They are just happy it was a woman he cheated on his wife with. They are more than willing to let that slide.

Loo Hoo. @ 115

Think he’d appoint himself?

hah! i wish.. in that case, let’s chase DiFi out now. Oh boy..retiring both DiFi and the governator.. now that would be an achievement. I’m worried he’d appoint somebody unbearable, like his former ed head Bersin.

If Hugh is here,

I responded to you on the old thread.

I have to sleep, as much as I want to stay and chat with you all. May I ask a favor? I used to do this a while ago and found it helped us as well as my folks. could you send a little energy tonight to Heather and to Paul? Heather needs your support in her bereavement and paul needs “It’s okay” thoughts.

For those who don’t know, I’m a hospice nurse and I would sure appreciate it. The collective energy here may not make these fools in congress sit up and take notice (yet) but I have found that it helps my families.

thanks.
namaste
zen

Alicia @ 112

Hi Dr. Dick! I’m your temporary neighbor! I’m just south of Missoula and having a great time with my sister on her ranch.

Uh-oh. You’re down in the Bitterroot of all evil? Watch yourself, that is heavy Republican loonytoon country down there. On the other hand those are some mighty fine mountains. Was thinking about hiking down there today, but the rain killed that idea.

Gomez Addams @ 110

I am from MN and I let Amy Klobuchar know what I think of a US Senator voting against free speech. I also let her know that I won’t be making any more phone calls asking people to vote for her. My time and money will be going to MoveOn. Actually, Franken may get some. I think he may have voted differently. Would be interesting to hear what he thinks about it.

It’s very important to ask how candidates would have voted — and will vote — on this catastrophe. If a candidate would vote against free speech, how could s/he ask for anyone’s vote?

And it’s not a hypothetical, as many will claim in order to evade the question. It will come up again. “How will you vote on free speech?” is a legitimate question nowadays.

OK Zen

Am sending my thoughts of love and acceptance to paul and heather, zen

DrDick @ 114

Hey Alicia. You here in the Big Sky now? Sorry about the shitty weather (though it helps knock back the fires).

I am. I got in Friday, which was beautiful. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw a million stars, which you never see in LA. Even with the weather, it’s wonderful. I’m helping my sister with her horse chores and working on my book. It’s paradise here.

zennurse @ 121

I have to sleep, as much as I want to stay and chat with you all. May I ask a favor? I used to do this a while ago and found it helped us as well as my folks. could you send a little energy tonight to Heather and to Paul? Heather needs your support in her bereavement and paul needs “It’s okay” thoughts.

For those who don’t know, I’m a hospice nurse and I would sure appreciate it. The collective energy here may not make these fools in congress sit up and take notice (yet) but I have found that it helps my families.

thanks.
namaste
zen

Thanks for returning with these requests, zennie. I have missed them, and you!

I once heard that in the days of Thomas Jefferson, part of the entrance exam to apply to William and Mary, was that you had to translate a chapter of the Dante Trilogy from Greek to Latin.

I doubt if anyone in the three branches of da Guminit, are capable of such high states of reason.

If they were, we would not have a Guminit with such high rates of treason.

zennurse @ 120

I have to sleep, as much as I want to stay and chat with you all. May I ask a favor? I used to do this a while ago and found it helped us as well as my folks. could you send a little energy tonight to Heather and to Paul? Heather needs your support in her bereavement and paul needs “It’s okay” thoughts.

For those who don’t know, I’m a hospice nurse and I would sure appreciate it. The collective energy here may not make these fools in congress sit up and take notice (yet) but I have found that it helps my families.

thanks.
namaste
zen

Absoloutely done! I admire greatly what you do, it is a gift to have hospice care available for patients who wish it.

TeddySanFran @ 92

Ann in AZ @ 86

Teddy! Love your post and I love Crosby Stills & Nash! Now do you have any suggestions about what to do to adjust the Senator’s attitude? I figure they’ve had plenty of time to consider the freedom of political speech issue, so what possible excuse can Hillary have for this morning. And we thought she got it right! That’s why I am so leery of a presidency with her. Just when you think it’s safe to go back…

Hillary has convinced me that the triangulating we criticized Bill for may have been largely her doing. She voted against the Cornyn amendment, setting us back on our heels — “what?!?” was the blogosphere’s reaction — and then went on five Sunday gabfests as her old warmongering self. It’s a delicate balancing act, and she is very good at it.

Does anybody remember the last time someone got to go on all five Sunday gabfests the same day?

Hillary plays chess. Very smart cookie.

Alicia @ 125

DrDick @ 114

Hey Alicia. You here in the Big Sky now? Sorry about the shitty weather (though it helps knock back the fires).

I am. I got in Friday, which was beautiful. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw a million stars, which you never see in LA. Even with the weather, it’s wonderful. I’m helping my sister with her horse chores and working on my book. It’s paradise here.

Have to agree about the paradise part (politics aside). Where abouts in the valley are you?

Suzanne @ 65

burnspbesq @ 61

I have family members groveling at my feet, begging me to go get them ice cream and brownies.

Who am I to refuse?

See y’all in a while.

are you going to bring any back for those of us who cant leave?

Since I know you’re not big on chocolate, how about some maple walnut ice cream?

Loo Hoo. @ 129

Hillary plays chess. Very smart cookie.

All the rest of em play checkers.

burnspbesq @ 131

Suzanne @ 65

are you going to bring any back for those of us who cant leave?

Since I know you’re not big on chocolate, how about some maple walnut ice cream?

putting away burnsie doll and hat pin

TeddySanFran @ 127

zennurse @ 121

I have to sleep, as much as I want to stay and chat with you all. May I ask a favor? I used to do this a while ago and found it helped us as well as my folks. could you send a little energy tonight to Heather and to Paul? Heather needs your support in her bereavement and paul needs “It’s okay” thoughts.

For those who don’t know, I’m a hospice nurse and I would sure appreciate it. The collective energy here may not make these fools in congress sit up and take notice (yet) but I have found that it helps my families.

thanks.
namaste
zen

Thanks for returning with these requests, zennie. I have missed them, and you!

Big hug to you, you huggable one.

and many thanks to all. Bless you.

burnspbesq @ 131

Suzanne @ 65

are you going to bring any back for those of us who cant leave?

Since I know you’re not big on chocolate, how about some maple walnut ice cream?

Ahh. The noble burns delivers once again. Good thing there is not VAT on lawyers in this country.

marymccurnin @ 132

Loo Hoo. @ 129

Hillary plays chess. Very smart cookie.

All the rest of em play checkers.

Or Candyland.

TeddySanFran @ 92

Hillary has convinced me that the triangulating we criticized Bill for may have been largely her doing. She voted against the Cornyn amendment, setting us back on our heels — “what?!?” was the blogosphere’s reaction — and then went on five Sunday gabfests as her old warmongering self. It’s a delicate balancing act, and she is very good at it.

Does anybody remember the last time someone got to go on all five Sunday gabfests the same day?

So if we’re agreed that Hillary is the problem, what is the solution? We need to choose between the lesser of two evils and put her back into the WH anyway? We do our best to nominate a different candidate, when the one that most closely holds the same principles is “funny looking” and has very little chance in a general election? (I’m beginning to really take a shine to Kucinich! And I do not approve of “He looks funny” as an reason not to elect him. He looks a little geeky, but not really that bad at all.)

demi @ 136

marymccurnin @ 132

All the rest of em play checkers.

Or Candyland.

I was thinking 52 Pick Up.

Nite, Zen!!!

DrDick @ 131

Have to agree about the paradise part (politics aside). Where abouts in the valley are you?

We’re in Stevensville. My sister has a horse property and 4 horses and lives here with my stepmom. She does computer work for the DOD at home. Not to worry – she’s one of us! We’re on River Bend Drive if that means anything to you.

bye y’all

if you click tomorrow, there is a new post at my site that has an alarm clock for 8 AM. Or click now for the story on hurricane rita.

TSF, Nice post, sir, and a wonderful song I needed to hear twice this evening.

Did she really get a fiver? What a media whore. I swear I’m so disappointed in her, I had such high hopes for having a woman in the Presidency, but I can’t trust her.

Zennurse, Hillary hasn’t done any Sunday shows at all. This is the first, and she wanted to show the media that she isn’t some stupid puppet. Hillary and her team orchestrated the MSM. Think about that.

Gotta run for a bit and Google Ida Kohlmeyer, I am art mom for the first graders tomorrow and I would feel a bit better knowing who she is and how to describe her art to that age group. BRB.

Nite, Miss Cassie!!!

Alicia @ 140

DrDick @ 131

Have to agree about the paradise part (politics aside). Where abouts in the valley are you?

We’re in Stevensville. My sister has a horse property and 4 horses and lives here with my stepmom. She does computer work for the DOD at home. Not to worry – she’s one of us! We’re on River Bend Drive if that means anything to you.

Not really, I only go down into the Bitterroot to hike in the mountains or go camping. Way too many Republicans down there.

Night Cassie. Sleep the sleep of the just.

Ann in AZ: Clinton’s attitude adjustment is coming from Iraq, itself. The repubs simply cannot leave 160,000 of our troops in Iraq as hostages to to cover george bush’s legacy-ass long enough for him to get out of town.

And neither can Hillary.

At this point the GOP is playing chicken with the dems:

“We’ll keep them there until you guys are willing to unilaterally take on the child-support for OUR knocking up Rosemary, and siring the bloody, rambunctious, little brat that is savaging Iraq, as we speak.”

It’s frustrating to all of us with enough smarts, and enough decency, to want to at least end our part in the shitmire.

I just want the democrats to keep up a good, consistent, media drumbeat about WHO pulled the trigger and started this misery, and about the fact that the republicans (so far) refuse to help them end our part in it, so that the people of what used to be Iraq can decide if an even bloodier civil conflict than the one that’s currently going on, will be more satisfying to them than dealing with the realities and compromises of partition. Because they damn sure aint going to make that decision as long as our military is occupying their country.

The big question looming is this:

Are the democrats craven enough and stupid enough to let bush and GOP dump the flaming bag of shit in THEIR laps, so they can go home and get out their chainsaws to start dismembering the dems for “losing Iraq”?

We’ll know the answer to that in a few months, as the primaries start to kick in. If, by then, none of the dems big three are seriously going after bush and the GOP with flamethrowers, for the clusterfuck, we’ll also know the fix is in.

DrDick @ 138

demi @ 136

Or Candyland.

I was thinking 52 Pick Up.

or hangman.

Great post. I agree completely. There has been a very well financed reactionary campaign in this country against everthing good that has happened since the New Deal. There have been very nasty, very rich lunatics, and reactionary corporate interests with very deep pockets and very long time horizons working away at their campaign against reality for 50 years. They had some recent victories: congress in the 90s, control of corporate media, and others. But they have had some big failures too. Their proposed social security scam is one. There vision of endless war as US foreign policy is another, even though the costs of that failed experiment will be immense.

Whether Cheney-Bush regime is a victory or a defeat for them remains to be determined, I think. Their ideas are immoral, crazy and in realpolitic terms, have the disadvantage of always leading to failure. So, they have to lie and demagogue at an increasing rate, with ever more ridiculous premises, in order to keep the voters falling for their BS. Problem is, their screw-ups are just getting so dang big, they can’t lie and demagogue their way out of them. That seems to be their big problem now.

We must have a time horizon just as long as theirs. Never lose hope and never give up.

I guess I am repeating myself too much, but am looking forward to next election. I think Congress is the prize and where the action is. It is clear that Congress as a co-equal branch of government has been destroyed, and electing the right president cannot fix that. I think voters primed for taking things into their own hands, and they can realistically do that, with some progressive help, in many upcoming House and some Senate races.

Not sure what best to do in meantime, but absolutely necessary not to give up and give the voters a chance to send some real leaders to Congress next year.

marymccurnin @ 148

DrDick @ 138

I was thinking 52 Pick Up.

or hangman.

Have to be able to spell for that one.

Ann in AZ @ 138

Kucinich!

The Smoot-Hawley candidate.. isolationist, protectionist, irrational… elect hiim and we’ll all be burning on Jenning Bryant’s cross of gold, in a great depression. I’m sorry to come off so strongly about Kucinich, but I think he is an irritating little populist demagogue and diversion for us, and, speaking personally, the one Dem candidate that could cause me not to vote at all. I’m a progressive but I also believe that the key to our country’s survival is free trade and multilateral engagement and I believe in being part of a global community, whatever the cost. He’s not my candidate.

Loo Hoo. @ 103

burnspbesq @ 51

Since we’re not supposed to talk about Major League Baseball any more, I will talk instead about Major League Fuckery. In tonight’s episode, an Army contracting officer is accused of taking almost ten million dollars in bribes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..or.html?hp

And here’s an absurd part of the article:
“It is particularly disturbing that while so many of our military personnel are fighting and dying in Iraq, a few have apparently taken the opportunity to unlawfully enrich themselves,” Charles W. Beardall, chief criminal investigator for the Pentagon inspector general, said in a statement. “Their greed is unconscionable, especially in the midst of our soldiers’ heroic actions.”

A few have taken the opportunity to unlawfully enrich themselves. Blackwater, anyone? How about the good folks at Halliburton?

I believe the “a few” statement refers to active duty military personnel. AFAIK, that’s accurate.

marymccurnin @ 149

DrDick @ 138

I was thinking 52 Pick Up.

or hangman.

peek-a-boo

It is pretty red down in these parts, no doubt. We’re close by the river. She used to live in Missoula proper but she wanted a property so she could have horses and room, so it’s a tradeoff.

DrDick @ 151

marymccurnin @ 148

or hangman.

Have to be able to spell for that one.

Ding. I was going to say that.
I like 52 p/u. That’s about their speed.

Dr. Dick – YGM

To continue my venting at end of previous thread: our Very Serious People who fancy themselves to be sophisticated realpolitick Machiavellians, are actually an aristocracy of helpless dolts and pampered frauds who have apparently not read Machiavelli at all.

I notice in The Prince that Machiavelli wrote a whole chapter on “The Importance of Not Being Despised.” The opposition has messed up on that one. That should give us hope as well.

Wow, The TV show “Power of ten” Had a question:

How many Americans think it is important for the US to stay in Iraq and finish the job that they had started?

The answer was 11%, eleven percent, wow.

The Host of the show is Drew Carey. I usually like Drew, but when that question came up and the girl wanted to say 22%, Drew wanted to almost force her to go much higher on the poll numbers. I know Drew is Republican, but his real whining desperation was obvious. Did any one see the show?

Found what I needed, so now it’s off to bed. Sweet dreams everyone!

Crazy Eights or Go Fish.

SnarKassandra @ 48

Well my classmates will be voting in 2009 or 2010. Get more of us interested.

It would be great to have a Young Democrats club at your high school. I will ask someone I “know” online if she can give some guidance there.
The best way I know to get interested is to realize that things politicians do really affect YOU.
In one of Molly Ivins’ books, I think it was Who Let the Dogs In, she wrote about breaking her glasses. OK, need a new pair. But no…even though she had the prescription, she had to get another eye exam because it had been more than 1 (or 2?) years since the last one. The old boys at the Lege passed that, and it benefits the eye doctors mainly. That is politics that affects you.
Another thing is student loans. HUGE affect on college students and vocational school students.

Alicia @ 154

It is pretty red down in these parts, no doubt. We’re close by the river. She used to live in Missoula proper but she wanted a property so she could have horses and room, so it’s a tradeoff.

If you are in town next weekend and looking for a little entertainment, my friend Russ Nassett is playing at Sean Kelly’s in Missoula with his band. Two best guitar pickers in the Interior Northwest kicking up the best honky tonk music in Montana.

demi @ 161

Crazy Eights or Go Fish.

War?

madmommy @ 160

Found what I needed, so now it’s off to bed. Sweet dreams everyone!

Nite, MM!!!

Night Madmommy.

Suzanne @ 134

burnspbesq @ 131

Since I know you’re not big on chocolate, how about some maple walnut ice cream?

putting away burnsie doll and hat pin

Ya big tease!

My 13 year old gets a pretty good dose of politics in our house.
Regarding answering the tough questions, one day he asked what the main difference between Republicans and Democrats is.
I told him the short version is that most Democrats care more about all people.

Or — they will have had five long years to redeem themselves in our eyes.

and if you believe that will happen, I’ve got a bridge for sale, as well as some swampland in FL.

Suzanne @ 125

Am sending my thoughts of love and acceptance to paul and heather, zen

Me too, zennurse.

oddmommy @ 164

demi @ 161

Crazy Eights or Go Fish.

War?

Oh. You win! That’s the one.

DrDick @ 164

If you are in town next weekend and looking for a little entertainment, my friend Russ Nassett is playing at Sean Kelly’s in Missoula with his band. Two best guitar pickers in the Interior Northwest kicking up the best honky tonk music in Montana.

Yesssss! I will be there with bells on. Sounds great.

We live in a confederacy of douchebags.

-GSD

P.S. Present company excluded, natch.

thanks Teddy, I needed that encouragment

Astral Technician @ 128

I once heard that in the days of Thomas Jefferson, part of the entrance exam to apply to William and Mary, was that you had to translate a chapter of the Dante Trilogy from Greek to Latin.

I doubt if anyone in the three branches of da Guminit, are capable of such high states of reason.

If they were, we would not have a Guminit with such high rates of treason.

But remember, in those days only a few were educated and basically had private tutors eight to ten hours a day. If they didn’t show promise early on, forget about it.

Later, more people were educated so they could read the Bible.

Alicia @ 156

Dr. Dick – YGM

Got it and back at you.

demi @ 160

Crazy Eights or Go Fish.

You have to be able to count for one and you need a license for the other.

TheOtherWA @ 95,
Do you mean Joe McCarthy?
Eugene McCarthy was great, I canvassed for him when I was 15 during Vietnam. Very liberal, very anti-war.

demi @ 169

My 13 year old gets a pretty good dose of politics in our house.
Regarding answering the tough questions, one day he asked what the main difference between Republicans and Democrats is.
I told him the short version is that most Democrats care more about all people.

that’s a good shortcut. our 14 year old daughter is aware, in general, of these fairness issues but is not at all engaged – unlike Cassie, for example. for now her world is defined the social scene, soccer, fashion, boys, etc…she just started at Berkeley High, so that will open some perspectives for her.

Loo Hoo. @ 176

Later, more people were educated so they could read the Bible.

‘

..at some point. the rethugs seem to have decided that this isn’t as important as it once was… the Bible is for listening to on Dobson’s radio show

madmommy @ 145

Gotta run for a bit and Google Ida Kohlmeyer, I am art mom for the first graders tomorrow and I would feel a bit better knowing who she is and how to describe her art to that age group. BRB.

Please share!

kirk murphy @ 13

I am Kirk Murphy and I am a citizen and a voter.

I will not sit down and shut up.

I will stand up and speakout – as is my my right as a ciizen under our Constitution.

I won’t wait for our craven Senators to find their verterbrae long enough to stand with us.

Moveon speaks for me – as does TeddySanFran.

In a posting today at Salon, Glen Greenwald argued that it isn’t a lack of spine but rather class identification that propels Bush-enabling Democrats to vote the way that they do. As exhibit A, he offers Diane Feinstein who has just been re-elected and probably will never run again. Economically, politically, and socially, she has nothing to fear. She simply identifies with the beltway crowd and not the party’s base. (I’m not completely convinced, e.g., I don’t see Feinstein as all that typical.)

punaise @ 180

demi @ 169

My 13 year old gets a pretty good dose of politics in our house.
Regarding answering the tough questions, one day he asked what the main difference between Republicans and Democrats is.
I told him the short version is that most Democrats care more about all people.

that’s a good shortcut. our 14 year old daughter is aware, in general, of these fairness issues but is not at all engaged – unlike Cassie, for example. for now her world is defined the social scene, soccer, fashion, boys, etc…she just started at Berkeley High, so that will open some perspectives for her.

My 13 yr old is knowledgeable since we play liberal talk radio a few hours a day, but not very interested.

Tanbark, I love your new word: Shitmire! Brilliant!

My 18 year old says my Facebook page is okay but would be a lot better if I removed all that icky politcal stuff.

sigh

wigwam @ 183

kirk murphy @ 13

I am Kirk Murphy and I am a citizen and a voter.

I will not sit down and shut up.

I will stand up and speakout – as is my my right as a ciizen under our Constitution.

I won’t wait for our craven Senators to find their verterbrae long enough to stand with us.

Moveon speaks for me – as does TeddySanFran.

In a posting today at Salon, Glen Greenwald argued that it isn’t a lack of spine but rather class identification that propels Bush-enabling Democrats to vote the way that they do. As exhibit A, he offers Diane Feinstein who has just been re-elected and probably will never run again. Economically, politically, and socially, she has nothing to fear. She simply identifies with the beltway crowd and not the party’s base. (I’m not completely convinced, e.g., I don’t see Feinstein as all that typical.)

I would add she has operated this way as a Senator her entire career.

demi @ 169

My 13 year old gets a pretty good dose of politics in our house.
Regarding answering the tough questions, one day he asked what the main difference between Republicans and Democrats is.
I told him the short version is that most Democrats care more about all people.

In Alaska, the short version is “Both parties hope to pave the state as soon as possible, but the GOP wants it to be done by non-union paving crews, the Dems usually – unless bribed enough – want unions involved…”

TexBetsy @ 182

punaise @ 180

that’s a good shortcut. our 14 year old daughter is aware, in general, of these fairness issues but is not at all engaged – unlike Cassie, for example. for now her world is defined the social scene, soccer, fashion, boys, etc…she just started at Berkeley High, so that will open some perspectives for her.

My 13 yr old is knowledgeable since we play liberal talk radio a few hours a day, but not very interested.

I think at that age, most kids do not see how any of it really relates to them or their lives. Also they do not believe that they can have any impact (we do a great job in this society of convincing our children that they are powerless and irrelevant). That is one of the things that makes Cassie special.

wigwam @ 181

kirk murphy @ 13

I am Kirk Murphy and I am a citizen and a voter.

I will not sit down and shut up.

I will stand up and speakout – as is my my right as a ciizen under our Constitution.

I won’t wait for our craven Senators to find their verterbrae long enough to stand with us.

Moveon speaks for me – as does TeddySanFran.

In a posting today at Salon, Glen Greenwald argued that it isn’t a lack of spine but rather class identification that propels Bush-enabling Democrats to vote the way that they do. As exhibit A, he offers Diane Feinstein who has just been re-elected and probably will never run again. Economically, politically, and socially, she has nothing to fear. She simply identifies with the beltway crowd and not the party’s base. (I’m not completely convinced, e.g., I don’t see Feinstein as all that typical.)

Then how do you explain the Kennedys.

demi @ 157

DrDick @ 151

Have to be able to spell for that one.

Ding. I was going to say that.
I like 52 p/u. That’s about their speed.

The way our congress is operating, they’d stare at the cards on the floor and do nothing.

Loo Hoo. @ 185

Tanbark, I love your new word: Shitmire! Brilliant!

***
I love that coinage too! Very descriptive. I’m wondering if it’s related to a quagf-ck…

Re: The media’s Hillary fest.

Newsflash, folks. She’s not trying to lock up the nomination here. She’s trying to lock up the money. The polls mean nothing right now. The New Hampshire primary has bucked the polls in the last two election cycles (McCain in 2000 and Kerry in 2004), and nobody else in the country really starts paying attention until then. What she’s trying to do is keep people from sending money to the other candidates, thereby forcing them to drop out. I don’t think she can really hurt Obama, but there’s a good chance she can strangle the Richardson and Edwards campaigns.

As for the aura of inevitability that she’s trying to create, I don’t think that’s going to work for her, either. I think she’s going to lead the polls right into New Hampshire, at which point the voters are going to say, “Aw, HELL no!”

DrDick @ 189

TexBetsy @ 182

My 13 yr old is knowledgeable since we play liberal talk radio a few hours a day, but not very interested.

I think at that age, most kids do not see how any of it really relates to them or their lives. Also they do not believe that they can have any impact (we do a great job in this society of convincing our children that they are powerless and irrelevant). That is one of the things that makes Cassie special.

My son is now objecting to the TV show at school and may start a petition to have the district switch to something else. Not likely it would pass, but I’d like to see him try.

Suzanne @ 186

My 18 year old says my Facebook page is okay but would be a lot better if I removed all that icky politcal stuff.

sigh

It’s OK, Suz. When she tries to pay back a college loan, or buy a home, or get a security clearance, she’ll be back.

Well, James is a bit different. He’s not into the social stuff that other kids his age are into.
We listen to NPR for the half-hour to 45 minutes on the way to school and on the way home.
He also adores Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert.
Since there was no school last Wednesday, he was home and when I returned from work he was on the couch watching Bush’s speech.

TJ @ 191

demi @ 157

Ding. I was going to say that.
I like 52 p/u. That’s about their speed.

The way our congress is operating, they’d stare at the cards on the floor and do nothing.

They;d blame Clinton.

GSD @ 172

We live in a confederacy of douchebags.

-GSD

P.S. Present company excluded, natch.

GDS, now that was tacky (I read it w/o edit) but it just flew in from the ether and made me laugh.

So, looks like Sen. Shaheen, eh? From I’ve read, she’s pretty much of a Blue Dog, not terribly progressive. Your thoughts?

burnspbesq @ 154

Loo Hoo. @ 103

And here’s an absurd part of the article:
“It is particularly disturbing that while so many of our military personnel are fighting and dying in Iraq, a few have apparently taken the opportunity to unlawfully enrich themselves,” Charles W. Beardall, chief criminal investigator for the Pentagon inspector general, said in a statement. “Their greed is unconscionable, especially in the midst of our soldiers’ heroic actions.”

A few have taken the opportunity to unlawfully enrich themselves. Blackwater, anyone? How about the good folks at Halliburton?

I believe the “a few” statement refers to active duty military personnel. AFAIK, that’s accurate.

Agreed. That’s why is article is really only half or quarter of an article. I guess you have to read Sy Hersh to get an entire article these days. (Or FDL)

newtonusr @ 195

Suzanne @ 186

My 18 year old says my Facebook page is okay but would be a lot better if I removed all that icky politcal stuff.

sigh

It’s OK, Suz. When she tries to pay back a college loan, or buy a home, or get a security clearance, she’ll be back.

her goal is to be a firefighter/paramedic – she will gain lots of first hand knowledge of man’s inhumanity to man, and our government’s indifference to those in need

My son does watch Stewart and Colbert. Just doesn’t READ politics. There’s plenty of time.

I believe it’s time for a quarter to go into the jukebox.

Stevie Ray AND Jeff Healy!

TexBetsy @ 192

DrDick @ 189

I think at that age, most kids do not see how any of it really relates to them or their lives. Also they do not believe that they can have any impact (we do a great job in this society of convincing our children that they are powerless and irrelevant). That is one of the things that makes Cassie special.

My son is now objecting to the TV show at school and may start a petition to have the district switch to something else. Not likely it would pass, but I’d like to see him try.

That’s a good start. This is how they learn that they can make a difference. He is very lucky to have a smart and engaged mother who supports him in this. 8-)

Margot @ 179

TheOtherWA @ 95,
Do you mean Joe McCarthy?
Eugene McCarthy was great, I canvassed for him when I was 15 during Vietnam. Very liberal, very anti-war.

Damn, that was a heck of a brain fart! Of course I meant Joe. Thanks.

newtonusr @ 193

Suzanne @ 186

My 18 year old says my Facebook page is okay but would be a lot better if I removed all that icky politcal stuff.

sigh

It’s OK, Suz. When she tries to pay back a college loan, or buy a home, or get a security clearance, she’ll be back.

A few consecutive tuition hikes can also have a salutary effect.

DrDick @ 203

TexBetsy @ 192

My son is now objecting to the TV show at school and may start a petition to have the district switch to something else. Not likely it would pass, but I’d like to see him try.

That’s a good start. This is how they learn that they can make a difference. He is very lucky to have a smart and engaged mother who supports him in this. 8-)

On the day of the 2004 election, he wore a home-colored (marker) t-shirt to school saying “Vote Dem. Vote Kerry.”

burnspbesq @ 202

I believe it’s time for a quarter to go into the jukebox.

Stevie Ray AND Jeff Healy!

countering with some redhouse

demi @ 169

My 13 year old gets a pretty good dose of politics in our house.
Regarding answering the tough questions, one day he asked what the main difference between Republicans and Democrats is.
I told him the short version is that most Democrats care more about all people.

A really concise answer, demi. Good for you.

VG,

Yeah, Shaheen is fairly middle of the road. She won the Guv’s seat three times(NH has a 2 year term).

She never fully dealt with the major issue in the state, which is school funding.

She lost in a squeaker to Johnny Boy Sununu.(The sketchy 2002 election that saw Rove’s minions making illegal calls to Dems GOTV effort-phone jamming scandal)

Seems like she was one of the masses that got on board the Endless War for Endless Peace Express.

But, she’s better than both Sununu and Gregg.

She gets a C .

-GSD

Suzanne @ 198

newtonusr @ 195

It’s OK, Suz. When she tries to pay back a college loan, or buy a home, or get a security clearance, she’ll be back.

her goal is to be a firefighter/paramedic – she will gain lots of first hand knowledge of man’s inhumanity to man, and our government’s indifference to those in need

Not to mention the systematic abuse (low pay, long hours, etc.) of government workers at the local level.

Alicia @ 173

DrDick @ 164

If you are in town next weekend and looking for a little entertainment, my friend Russ Nassett is playing at Sean Kelly’s in Missoula with his band. Two best guitar pickers in the Interior Northwest kicking up the best honky tonk music in Montana.

Yesssss! I will be there with bells on. Sounds great.

Alright! An FDL meet-up! Please report back.

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow, just got off the phone with jose Vargas. Apparently if you are a regular person and its your birthday and your political party does something really-ass stupid and you get pissed so that without any video training even though you never made a political video in your life but you send it to jane after a long day and to your surprise she opens it, and writes back with suggestions and you edit it for another long day and then she posts it and you get 2000 hits in 24 hours–well apparently THEN the post contacts you and wants to know what color subaru you drive. I’m a little overwhelmed right now, and hope I haven’t advertised myself right out of a job, since I’ll apparently never be hired by a republican patient again….can anyone say anything comforting? I just wanted to make a statement and have it be heard, and now the echo is hurting my ears. I think i’m proud of myself, but it’s a very braced kind of proud…

OT: Can someone please tell me why President Ahmadinejad can’t go to Ground Zero? Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an asshole, but why shouldn’t he be able to just hop in a cab and go there just like everyone else? And don’t give me any crap about security. If they can secure it for Bush, they can secure it for him.

shrink in sf @ 212

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow, just got off the phone with jose Vargas. Apparently if you are a regular person and its your birthday and your political party does something really-ass stupid and you get pissed so that without any video training even though you never made a political video in your life but you send it to jane after a long day and to your surprise she opens it, and writes back with suggestions and you edit it for another long day and then she posts it and you get 2000 hits in 24 hours–well apparently THEN the post contacts you and wants to know what color subaru you drive. I’m a little overwhelmed right now, and hope I haven’t advertised myself right out of a job, since I’ll apparently never be hired by a republican patient again….can anyone say anything comforting? I just wanted to make a statement and have it be heard, and now the echo is hurting my ears. I think i’m proud of myself, but it’s a very braced kind of proud…

woohoo! standing on chair clapping like the little guy in the pink section

Well, thanks Loo Hoo. Your support is always appreciated.
James and I are pretty good buds.
The other day in the mall, after I bought him some new school pants, he had his arm around my shoulder as we walked to the car.
The older people gave us these sweet smiles.

Frank Probst @ 213

OT: Can someone please tell me why President Ahmadinejad can’t go to Ground Zero? Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an asshole, but why shouldn’t he be able to just hop in a cab and go there just like everyone else? And don’t give me any crap about security. If they can secure it for Bush, they can secure it for him.

If he goes to Ground Zero the terrrrrrissts will win.

-GSD

shrink in sf @ 212

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow, just got off the phone with jose Vargas. Apparently if you are a regular person and its your birthday and your political party does something really-ass stupid and you get pissed so that without any video training even though you never made a political video in your life but you send it to jane after a long day and to your surprise she opens it, and writes back with suggestions and you edit it for another long day and then she posts it and you get 2000 hits in 24 hours–well apparently THEN the post contacts you and wants to know what color subaru you drive. I’m a little overwhelmed right now, and hope I haven’t advertised myself right out of a job, since I’ll apparently never be hired by a republican patient again….can anyone say anything comforting? I just wanted to make a statement and have it be heard, and now the echo is hurting my ears. I think i’m proud of myself, but it’s a very braced kind of proud…

Exhale. Have fun with it. Don’t worry. You will be back at work soon enough.

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow

That’s fabulous! I can see why that would be a little intimidating, but it IS a good thing to have the traditional media see what we think. Even if the tm doesn’t get it, anyone who watches the video will. That’s what counts.

Suzanne @ 186

My 18 year old says my Facebook page is okay but would be a lot better if I removed all that icky politcal stuff.

sigh

My girls are the same way, although my older daughter now is taking a class so she asks questions. It’s sad, since we’re so into it. I remember working for McGovern at their ages… Can’t force it, though.

There is but One Way Out

GSD @ 207

VG,

Yeah, Shaheen is fairly middle of the road. She won the Guv’s seat three times(NH has a 2 year term).

She never fully dealt with the major issue in the state, which is school funding.

She lost in a squeaker to Johnny Boy Sununu.(The sketchy 2002 election that saw Rove’s minions making illegal calls to Dems GOTV effort-phone jamming scandal)

Seems like she was one of the masses that got on board the Endless War for Endless Peace Express.

But, she’s better than both Sununu and Gregg.

She gets a C .

-GSD

That was pretty much my general impression from what I’ve read. Not much of a stretch to be better than Sununu and Gregg, alas. It’ really looks like she’ll be a shoo-in. Another Dem Senator the progressives will be dealing with for quite some time.

Frank Probst @ 211

OT: Can someone please tell me why President Ahmadinejad can’t go to Ground Zero? Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an asshole, but why shouldn’t he be able to just hop in a cab and go there just like everyone else? And don’t give me any crap about security. If they can secure it for Bush, they can secure it for him.

I have to agree. He is not my favorite person, but it seems as though he is trying to make a good will gesture here. I really think we need as a country to move back away from all this anti-Muslim sentiment and tell the neocons to STFU about the so-called “Great Iranian Menace”.

Suzanne @ 214

shrink in sf @ 212

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow.

woohoo! standing on chair clapping like the little guy in the pink section

Thanks but is there a section in the chronicle for someone patting your hand and saying “there there”?

shrink in sf @ 223

Suzanne @ 214

woohoo! standing on chair clapping like the little guy in the pink section

Thanks but is there a section in the chronicle for someone patting your hand and saying “there there”?

That’s a service provided here at the Lake – it will be fine and will not hurt (unlike shots and such)

shrink in sf @ 211

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow, just got off the phone with jose Vargas. Apparently if you are a regular person and its your birthday and your political party does something really-ass stupid and you get pissed so that without any video training even though you never made a political video in your life but you send it to jane after a long day and to your surprise she opens it, and writes back with suggestions and you edit it for another long day and then she posts it and you get 2000 hits in 24 hours–well apparently THEN the post contacts you and wants to know what color subaru you drive. I’m a little overwhelmed right now, and hope I haven’t advertised myself right out of a job, since I’ll apparently never be hired by a republican patient again….can anyone say anything comforting? I just wanted to make a statement and have it be heard, and now the echo is hurting my ears. I think i’m proud of myself, but it’s a very braced kind of proud…

WONDERFUL ! Make others, please.

Loo Hoo, the October B-day camping is going to be at San Clemente. Maybe you can meet us for the day. I’ll email you the details.
Suzanne, I wished you were closer and could join us. :(
AND,
On that note, this pup’s going to bed to read.
I’m glad people are feeling a little better here.
Hugs to all.

Valley Girl @ 198

GSD @ 172

We live in a confederacy of douchebags.

-GSD

P.S. Present company excluded, natch.

GDS, now that was tacky (I read it w/o edit) but it just flew in from the ether and made me laugh.

So, looks like Sen. Shaheen, eh? From I’ve read, she’s pretty much of a Blue Dog, not terribly progressive. Your thoughts?

She did knock that horrid Katrina Swett, a LieberFem, outta the race.

DrDick @ 189

TexBetsy @ 182

My 13 yr old is knowledgeable since we play liberal talk radio a few hours a day, but not very interested.

I think at that age, most kids do not see how any of it really relates to them or their lives. Also they do not believe that they can have any impact (we do a great job in this society of convincing our children that they are powerless and irrelevant). That is one of the things that makes Cassie special.

I must confess, at 38 I didn’t care about politics until Bush forced me to vote for the first time.

CD @ 192

Loo Hoo. @ 185

Tanbark, I love your new word: Shitmire! Brilliant!

***
I love that coinage too! Very descriptive. I’m wondering if it’s related to a quagf-ck…

Ok, now we’ve got a toss-up! Your word has a certain kind of strength that only fuck can bring. (I mean if a person were really pissed.) Shitmire is really good, though.

shrink in sf @ 210

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow, just got off the phone with jose Vargas. Apparently if you are a regular person and its your birthday and your political party does something really-ass stupid and you get pissed so that without any video training even though you never made a political video in your life but you send it to jane after a long day and to your surprise she opens it, and writes back with suggestions and you edit it for another long day and then she posts it and you get 2000 hits in 24 hours–well apparently THEN the post contacts you and wants to know what color subaru you drive. I’m a little overwhelmed right now, and hope I haven’t advertised myself right out of a job, since I’ll apparently never be hired by a republican patient again….can anyone say anything comforting? I just wanted to make a statement and have it be heard, and now the echo is hurting my ears. I think i’m proud of myself, but it’s a very braced kind of proud…

Is TSF still around? He’s the local expert re: the WaPo blogs. Otherwise, enjoy the moment!, is about all of the advice that comes to mind right now.

Well, I think I had best toddle off to bed. Have to confuse my students again tomorrow and am not really sure what I am supposed to talk about. Definitely going to be a heavy prep morning.

shrink in sf @ 223

Suzanne @ 214

woohoo! standing on chair clapping like the little guy in the pink section

Thanks but is there a section in the chronicle for someone patting your hand and saying “there there”?

no but across the bay in Oakland, Gertrude Stein can say there’s no there there.

(even though that’s taken out of context).

*waving to all the leaving sleepy pups*

Teddy,

Yeah Katrina was a Liebercrat in the making.

Shaheen will be better than her.

Her poppy Tom Lantos wants to get her into politics, but she needs to be elected first.

-GSD

Good nite Dr. D.

shrink in sf @ 212

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow, just got off the phone with jose Vargas. Apparently if you are a regular person and its your birthday and your political party does something really-ass stupid and you get pissed so that without any video training even though you never made a political video in your life but you send it to jane after a long day and to your surprise she opens it, and writes back with suggestions and you edit it for another long day and then she posts it and you get 2000 hits in 24 hours–well apparently THEN the post contacts you and wants to know what color subaru you drive. I’m a little overwhelmed right now, and hope I haven’t advertised myself right out of a job, since I’ll apparently never be hired by a republican patient again….can anyone say anything comforting? I just wanted to make a statement and have it be heard, and now the echo is hurting my ears. I think i’m proud of myself, but it’s a very braced kind of proud…

Best news all day. Congratulations!

What is stupid girl?

TheOtherWA @ 218

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow

Even if the tm doesn’t get it, anyone who watches the video will. That’s what counts.

Let’s hope…I really wanted to be a regular person so I said what I do and my name and now I just hope I can live with any response it brings…who really READS that blog, right?

Shiny, napping puppies.

-GSD

DrDick @ 222

“Great Iranian Menace”.

’cause Iran-shrub is the great tehranrist bogeyman of the moment.. his evil visage is what will be used to justify shrub’s next war… just as Saddam (Iraq-shrub) once was… notwithstanding that all three of these people (shrub, Iran-shrub and Iraq-shrub) at various points warred with (and failed to capture or defeat) the only real tehranrist involved (OBL).

Eureka Springs @ 237

What is stupid girl?

OMG, you haven’t seen it? I know you have – it was front paged in one of Teddy’s posts… oh, off to look for it unless someone has that link handy…

242!

GSD @ 232

Teddy,

Yeah Katrina was a Liebercrat in the making.

Shaheen will be better than her.

Her poppy Tom Lantos wants to get her into politics, but she needs to be elected first.

-GSD

Don’t know much about Shaheen but her uncle was my family doctor when I was growing up. Really good people.

Connecticut, the home of the blues.

Here, for those who have not seen Stupid Girls… video on this post

*TOW waves too all the other leaving sleepy pups*

I must be tired if I’m mixing up Eugene and Joe McCarthy. Good night and see everyone tomorrow.

Nighty nite folks.

Remember tomorrow is another day.

Frank Probst @ 213

OT: Can someone please tell me why President Ahmadinejad can’t go to Ground Zero? Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an asshole, but why shouldn’t he be able to just hop in a cab and go there just like everyone else? And don’t give me any crap about security. If they can secure it for Bush, they can secure it for him.

The stupid 60 Minutes interrogator couldn’t really make the case, interviewing him, why he couldn’t go, except to say that it’s where lots of Americans died from a terror attack and Iran is a sponsor of terror.

The way I figure it, BushCheneyCo are trying to replace one letter (N for Q) in the name of the country responsible for 9/11, in the minds of the 29%ers.

And it might work. That was a brutal 60M interview, although the Iranian held his own.

Eureka Springs @ 237

What is stupid girl?

me?

ohhh that line deserves someones brain who is far less tired than mine. Stupid girl is a video jane linked to at the bottom of the page about the censure vote.

TeddySanFran @ 248

Frank Probst @ 213

OT: Can someone please tell me why President Ahmadinejad can’t go to Ground Zero? Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an asshole, but why shouldn’t he be able to just hop in a cab and go there just like everyone else? And don’t give me any crap about security. If they can secure it for Bush, they can secure it for him.

The stupid 60 Minutes interrogator couldn’t really make the case, interviewing him, why he couldn’t go, except to say that it’s where lots of Americans died from a terror attack and Iran is a sponsor of terror.

The way I figure it, BushCheneyCo are trying to replace one letter (N for Q) in the name of the country responsible for 9/11, in the minds of the 29%ers.

And it might work. That was a brutal 60M interview, although the Iranian held his own.

I loved his point about how George Boosh does not follow the teachings of Jesus in his acts.

LoudounLib @ 242

242!

Hey, LL! Are you now officially on vacation?

“free is free. nothing else is.”
-Sojourner Truth

I’m way late here but wanted to drop in and say hey. Teddy, really excellent post tonight. Shrink in SF, that’s great news about the stupid girl video. And hi burns, love the vid you just posted.

my youngest baby (age 8) and his little friends made “Honk if you hate Bush” signs for the windows of the bus that took them to field trips this past summer.

He has his mommy’s knack for subtlety……

Oh yes, Sorry I didn’t recall the name..

WTG! SFshrink, congrats.

burnspbesq @ 251

LoudounLib @ 242

242!

Hey, LL! Are you now officially on vacation?

yessir, as of 7 PM Sunday night :-)

Eureka Springs @ 237

What is stupid girl?

here ya go

sfshrink, we have another commenter here at the lake who is a sf shrink type

LoudounLib @ 256

burnspbesq @ 251

Hey, LL! Are you now officially on vacation?

yessir, as of 7 PM Sunday night :-)

You have no idea how jealous I am.

oddmommy @ 254

my youngest baby (age 8) and his little friends made “Honk if you hate Bush” signs for the windows of the bus that took them to field trips this past summer.

He has his mommy’s knack for subtlety……

Excellent! Bus driver let him put it up?

LoudounLib @ 256

burnspbesq @ 251

Hey, LL! Are you now officially on vacation?

yessir, as of 7 PM Sunday night :-)

woohoo, its LL’s vacation friiiiiiiiiidaaaay

Eureka Springs @ 255

Oh yes, Sorry I didn’t recall the name..

yes i know, that tune really doesn’t stay in one’s head at ALL. smile

thanks.

Yay, celebrating LL’s vacation!!

burns and Suz, I celebrated the start of my vaca tonight by promptly falling asleep on the sofa while watching baseball ;-)

Suzanne @ 258

sfshrink, we have another commenter here at the lake who is a sf shrink type

cool, maybe when I can’t pay my rent because all my conservative clients fire me i can make coffee and do their billing?

Suzanne @ 240

Eureka Springs @ 237

What is stupid girl?

OMG, you haven’t seen it? I know you have – it was front paged in one of Teddy’s posts… oh, off to look for it unless someone has that link handy…

whew, thanks ES! I don’t know either but the last time I asked a question here on late night there were camels involved, and certain innuendos…..underfoot.

LL, I would like to present you with this small token of my appreciation for today’s heroic performance by the Nats.

S in SF, do you know which WaPo blog it’ll be on? We’ll inundate them with appreciative comments, if you find out where they plan to post it.

LL, that’s the only way to properly start a vacation in my book

LL, please slice the cake and take the first piece.

Happy Vacation to you!

i will NOT GO quietly into that good night!! silence = consent…lets get in gear y’all…my arthritic knees are ready lol…moveon still speaks for me!!

TexBetsy @ 259

oddmommy @ 254

my youngest baby (age 8) and his little friends made “Honk if you hate Bush” signs for the windows of the bus that took them to field trips this past summer.

He has his mommy’s knack for subtlety……

Excellent! Bus driver let him put it up?

don’t think he noticed. Eyes on the road, ya know…..

shrink in sf @ 264

Suzanne @ 258

sfshrink, we have another commenter here at the lake who is a sf shrink type

cool, maybe when I can’t pay my rent because all my conservative clients fire me i can make coffee and do their billing?

Maybe we should all come in for a session – we may need it soon.

burnspbesq @ 267

LL, I would like to present you with this small token of my appreciation for today’s heroic performance by the Nats.

thanks, that’s beautiful — wish I could have seen it, it being the last game at RFK and all. Big Brother took away the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network from our cable system at work.

But we’re glad to help out the cause!

yeah its late and i’m not quite up to par but i’m willing….

TexBetsy @ 270

LL, please slice the cake and take the first piece.

Happy Vacation to you!

oooh looks yummy, thank you so much!

passing cake around to everyone

LoudounLib @ 274

burnspbesq @ 267

LL, I would like to present you with this small token of my appreciation for today’s heroic performance by the Nats.

thanks, that’s beautiful — wish I could have seen it, it being the last game at RFK and all. Big Brother took away the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network from our cable system at work.

But we’re glad to help out the cause!

Now they need to roll over and play dead for the next three nights.

Frank Probst @ 213

OT: Can someone please tell me why President Ahmadinejad can’t go to Ground Zero? Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an asshole, but why shouldn’t he be able to just hop in a cab and go there just like everyone else? And don’t give me any crap about security. If they can secure it for Bush, they can secure it for him.

Cuz last night he stood in front of a banner saying Death to America.
And he doesn’t believe in the Holocaust and says so at every opportunity.

I’d still let him go, though if I were in charge. Just for the theatrics.

shrink in sf @ 212

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow, just got off the phone with jose Vargas. Apparently if you are a regular person and its your birthday and your political party does something really-ass stupid and you get pissed so that without any video training even though you never made a political video in your life but you send it to jane after a long day and to your surprise she opens it, and writes back with suggestions and you edit it for another long day and then she posts it and you get 2000 hits in 24 hours–well apparently THEN the post contacts you and wants to know what color subaru you drive. I’m a little overwhelmed right now, and hope I haven’t advertised myself right out of a job, since I’ll apparently never be hired by a republican patient again….can anyone say anything comforting? I just wanted to make a statement and have it be heard, and now the echo is hurting my ears. I think i’m proud of myself, but it’s a very braced kind of proud…

Which video, shrink?

I hate to be a party pooper but some one interpreted the stats incorrectly on the stupid girls video. Gender and vote are independent. P value = 0.31 or 0.50 depending on how you do the test. Between 30% and 50% chance you would see that result assuming gender made no difference in how you voted.

TeddySanFran @ 268

S in SF, do you know which WaPo blog it’ll be on? We’ll inundate them with appreciative comments, if you find out where they plan to post it.

That is the sweetest suggestion. Honestly I hadn’t even begun to WORRY about being slammed on the wpblog…thanks for reminding me…I was busy worrying about phone calls to the office…

Um…jose antonio vargas something about the interplay between the netroots and the tm the campaigns?

hey LL! welcome to your much deserved vacation!

When do you leave for the UK? Maybe you should try to persuade them to re-colonize us…..what do we have to lose?

demi @ 226

Loo Hoo, the October B-day camping is going to be at San Clemente. Maybe you can meet us for the day. I’ll email you the details.
Suzanne, I wished you were closer and could join us. :(
AND,
On that note, this pup’s going to bed to read.
I’m glad people are feeling a little better here.
Hugs to all.

Night, demi. Sleep well and forget about this horrible week. It can only get better.

hey oddmommy! thanks, I’ve only been waiting for this since May, when I submitted my leave requests *g*

I leave on Saturday. Maybe I can have a little talk with Gordon Brown…

Betsy and Suz – My mom has always been an active liberal and when I was a teen I was not engaged in politics, but in my heart I was a liberal too. It may take a while, but the influence your kids are getting now will pay off later. Parents have much more influence over their kids’ worldview than they are aware of at the time.

Alicia @ 285

Betsy and Suz – My mom has always been an active liberal and when I was a teen I was not engaged in politics, but in my heart I was a liberal too. It may take a while, but the influence your kids are getting now will pay off later. Parents have much more influence over their kids’ worldview than they are aware of at the time.

that’s my big worry, alicia – i was a lifelong conservative republican when i was a rearing my young.

Welcome to vacay, LL – I’m on vacation too. It so rocks.

shrink in sf @ 212

Stupid girls is going on the washingtonpost blog tomorrow, just got off the phone with jose Vargas. Apparently if you are a regular person and its your birthday and your political party does something really-ass stupid and you get pissed so that without any video training even though you never made a political video in your life but you send it to jane after a long day and to your surprise she opens it, and writes back with suggestions and you edit it for another long day and then she posts it and you get 2000 hits in 24 hours–well apparently THEN the post contacts you and wants to know what color subaru you drive. I’m a little overwhelmed right now, and hope I haven’t advertised myself right out of a job, since I’ll apparently never be hired by a republican patient again….can anyone say anything comforting? I just wanted to make a statement and have it be heard, and now the echo is hurting my ears. I think i’m proud of myself, but it’s a very braced kind of proud…

Shrink, congratulations! Loved the video.

for LL

Suzanne @ 286

Alicia @ 285

Betsy and Suz – My mom has always been an active liberal and when I was a teen I was not engaged in politics, but in my heart I was a liberal too. It may take a while, but the influence your kids are getting now will pay off later. Parents have much more influence over their kids’ worldview than they are aware of at the time.

that’s my big worry, alicia – i was a lifelong conservative republican when i was a rearing my young.

Wow. So what changed things for you?

Alicia @ 287

Welcome to vacay, LL – I’m on vacation too. It so rocks.

hey Alicia! Hope you’re enjoying your vaca! How long are you off?

TexBetsy @ 289

for LL

I love it — and all wrapped up in a bow, too :-) Thank you!

Alicia @ 290

Suzanne @ 286

that’s my big worry, alicia – i was a lifelong conservative republican when i was a rearing my young.

Wow. So what changed things for you?

the realization that the republican party had been corrupted by a buncha whiny assed crooks.

LoudounLib @ 291

Alicia @ 287

Welcome to vacay, LL – I’m on vacation too. It so rocks.

hey Alicia! Hope you’re enjoying your vaca! How long are you off?

2 weeks. I’m spending them with my sister in Montana. I’ll actually be working on my book nonstop, which I can’t do at home because of my job and my 3 kids, so it’s still a vacation – my mama cooks for me!

LoudounLib @ 292

TexBetsy @ 289

for LL

I love it — and all wrapped up in a bow, too :-) Thank you!

And a song to got with it.

Alicia @ 294

LoudounLib @ 291

hey Alicia! Hope you’re enjoying your vaca! How long are you off?

2 weeks. I’m spending them with my sister in Montana. I’ll actually be working on my book nonstop, which I can’t do at home because of my job and my 3 kids, so it’s still a vacation – my mama cooks for me!

Oh, that is so great — good for you, even though you’ll be working on your book you’re still enjoying a change of scenery and a bit of pampering :-)

Good night my friends. See you tomorrow.

pain free sleep wishes tex

Wow, Burns’ first installment of the War starts with the internment of the Issei and Nissei!!!

good night Betsy, thanks for that song too! Sleep well.

CTuttle @ 299

Wow, Burns’ first installment of the War starts with the internment of the Issei and Nissei!!!

Some criticism around here for that series due to the lack of representation of Hispanic soldiers.

CTuttle @ 299

Wow, Burns’ first installment of the War starts with the internment of the Issei and Nissei!!!

No spoilers for those of us (ahem) who are concentrating on the Lake and will watch it later :)

Evan Bayh jumps on the Hillary Veep train, after Vilsack and Clark.

NEW YORK — Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana will endorse Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential bid on Monday, sources close to both lawmakers say.

A colleague of Clinton’s on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Bayh actively pursued a possible presidential bid until late last year, when he dropped out of the race amid evidence that Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois were building formidable campaign organizations.

Here’s a companion piece from Sunday’s WaPo write-up about Ken Burns’ War — this is an interview with a fighter pilot. Definitely well worth the read.

oh alright i’m going to bed!! night pups

g’night juslin, sleep well

TexBetsy @ 300

CTuttle @ 299

Wow, Burns’ first installment of the War starts with the internment of the Issei and Nissei!!!

Some criticism around here for that series due to the lack of representation of Hispanic soldiers.

I can’t remark about that, since it’s only the first installment… And, Suz, I’ll refrain from further comments at your behest…!!!

Suzanne @ 245

Here, for those who have not seen Stupid Girls… video on this post

Cool, shrink! Congratulations to you!

In Monday’s NYT, Krugman calls the Republican base what they are: unreconstructed crackers.

Regarding Hill’s round-robin today:

Clinton did two hours of interviews by remote from a furnished barn in her back yard in Chappaqua, N.Y., part of an aggressive media blitz in the week after she offered up her plan for universal health-care coverage. Her campaign expressed pride that she had driven the news agenda, forcing even President Bush to talk about health insurance.

Her trip through the Sunday gantlet was designed to solidify the impression that Clinton is strong, indomitable and all but inevitable as the Democratic nominee and next president.

S in SF, as a recalcitrant DiFi constituent I thank you for your video.

here’s a totally different sort of take on Stupid Girl.

thanks, ct, there are a bunch of mods who have their tivo’s set and are planning on some serious couch time when their shift is done here

nice NYT article there, burns

burnspbesq @ 309

In Monday’s NYT, Krugman calls the Republican base what they are: unreconstructed crackers.

They also snubbed AARP, didn’t they? that base is getting very narrow. But even white bigots have elderly parents, so, getting very narrow indeed.

Need to organize a Save the Children sponsored debate where there will be an SCHIP question, so they can snub that too.

Suzanne @ 312

thanks, ct, there are a bunch of mods who have their tivo’s set and are planning on some serious couch time when their shift is done here

omg, the mods can afford tivos now?

TeddySanFran @ 315

Suzanne @ 312

thanks, ct, there are a bunch of mods who have their tivo’s set and are planning on some serious couch time when their shift is done here

omg, the mods can afford tivos now?

where can I sign up? Tivo-less here *g*

TeddySanFran @ 315

Suzanne @ 312

thanks, ct, there are a bunch of mods who have their tivo’s set and are planning on some serious couch time when their shift is done here

omg, the mods can afford tivos now?

they arrived complements of that george soros guy who signs our checks

LL, Have a great vacation and say hi from England whenever you get the chance.

TeddySanFran @ 314

Suzanne @ 312

thanks, ct, there are a bunch of mods who have their tivo’s set and are planning on some serious couch time when their shift is done here

omg, the mods can afford tivos now?

Ouch!!! ;-)

well thanks for all the consoling and cheerful words, and wish me that goodnights sleep I been planning on since friday….

sleep well, shrink

Loo Hoo. @ 318

LL, Have a great vacation and say hi from England whenever you get the chance.

yeah, bon voyage!

wesgpc @ 314

burnspbesq @ 309

In Monday’s NYT, Krugman calls the Republican base what they are: unreconstructed crackers.

They also snubbed AARP, didn’t they? that base is getting very narrow. But even white bigots have elderly parents, so, getting very narrow indeed.

Need to organize a Save the Children sponsored debate where there will be an SCHIP question, so they can snub that too.

SCHIP is going to happen this week. Conference agreement gets released tomorrow, House is supposed to vote on it on Tuesday, Senate not long after that. Of course, Bush will probably wait the full ten days before he vetoes it, out of spite, so that the states will run out of oney on the 30th. My God, what is wrong with that man?

Suzanne @ 316

TeddySanFran @ 315

omg, the mods can afford tivos now?

they arrived complements of that george soros guy who signs our checks

Speaking of which, you’re still waiting for yours, eh Teddy???

punaise @ 322

Loo Hoo. @ 318

LL, Have a great vacation and say hi from England whenever you get the chance.

yeah, bon voyage!

thanks you two — I’m sure I’ll be able to drop in at least once!

Alicia @ 287

Welcome to vacay, LL – I’m on vacation too. It so rocks.

Congrats to you too, Alicia. Oh, Thanksgiving…

punaise @ 311

S in SF, as a recalcitrant DiFi constituent I thank you for your video.

here’s a totally different sort of take on Stupid Girl.

God how healing to hear non pop stupid girl music…thanks so much.

LoudounLib @ 325

punaise @ 322

yeah, bon voyage!

thanks you two — I’m sure I’ll be able to drop in at least once!

don’t sweat it – it’s good to unplug, too.

But, Burns, he already blamed the Dems for not passing a Schip bill he would sign…!!!

LoudounLib @ 325

punaise @ 322

yeah, bon voyage!

thanks you two — I’m sure I’ll be able to drop in at least once!

Oooh, England! Yummy!

punaise @ 328

LoudounLib @ 325

thanks you two — I’m sure I’ll be able to drop in at least once!

don’t sweat it – it’s good to unplug, too.

yes it definitely is. Although the last two times I left the country I wasn’t a firepup yet — might have a bit of withdrawal there ;-) but we’ll be pretty busy running around the north of England, and Edinburgh, and that’ll keep me happy.

LL, you are going to more than just england, didn’t you plan a side trip or am i mis-remembering (again)?

We have not yet begun to fight.

We will fight them on the land.
We will fight them at sea.
We will fight them in the air.
We will fight them on the cable.
We will fight them on the airwaves.
We will fight them at the newsstands.
We will fight them in the bookstores.
We will fight them through the innertoobz.
We will fight them in cyberspace.

We will never surrender.

Suzanne @ 332

LL, you are going to more than just england, didn’t you plan a side trip or am i mis-remembering (again)?

Yes Suz, Edinburgh for two days, and a trip thru Stirling (William Wallace country) on the way back to Liverpool

yellowdog jim @ 333

We have not yet begun to fight.

We will fight them on the land.
We will fight them at sea.
We will fight them in the air.
We will fight them on the cable.
We will fight them on the airwaves.
We will fight them at the newsstands.
We will fight them in the bookstores.
We will fight them through the innertoobz.
We will fight them in cyberspace.

We will never surrender.

excellent

New Threadiness….

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..n/#respond

there be fresh newness

LoudounLib @ 331

Although the last two times I left the country I wasn’t a firepup yet –

I survived 2.5 weeks in France this summer with minimal thread lurking and just a couple of drop-by shout-outs. it can be done!

punaise @ 338

LoudounLib @ 331

Although the last two times I left the country I wasn’t a firepup yet –

I survived 2.5 weeks in France this summer with minimal thread lurking and just a couple of drop-by shout-outs. it can be done!

The withdrawal affects the left-behinds as much, or (in your case, pun, MORE) than the traveler.

Scuttlebutt is Sen. Cantwell (D-Wa) treats her staff like shit. But so does Governor Gregoire. I know from personal experience.

moe99 @ 340

Scuttlebutt is Sen. Cantwell (D-Wa) treats her staff like shit. But so does Governor Gregoire. I know from personal experience.

She was not the only “Not Voting.” Obama and Biden joined her in that ignominy. And Obama had been around earlier to vote on the Boxer amendment.

Great news, shrink in sf. Congratulations and break a couch ;)

The Sad Spectacle Continues:

Congressional and Senate Democrats turning their swollen red baboon asses toward hapless onlooking progressives.

The best chance we have at restoring what the fascists have built is in this next presidential cycle. If we can’t get a candidate on the record against these fundamental abuses, then we have no hope for generations.

All we have to do is demand more. Even if that means looking seriously at “second-tier” candidates that are not harmonizing with the establishment, that don’t fit the MSM’s narrative about who will be the next nominee.

As much as I would like to believe in Obama or Clinton, I can’t help but get the feeling at the end of the day they aren’t going to make a proper stand.

We need a president who can destroy the ring he is going to inheiret from Bu$#! . Don’t ask me why, and I am living in Thailand so I don’t catch much American T.V., but am I silly to think John Edwards could do such a thing?

Long haul indeed and Al Gore is watching.

Run Al Run!

I spoke to Cantwell’s office the other day. The reason she didn’t vote on Cornyn’s stupid amendment was due to a medical emergency.

Frank Probst; Good post. I hope you’re right about New Hampshire.

And especially, I hope that Edwards can pull out Iowa.

Those of us who think that nominating Hillary Clinton will be the greatest example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the existence of the phrase, will be watching and hoping that the candidacy for someone who simply can’t be elected, will start to implode.

I too, was a supporter of hers. I was delighted when she won the senate seat.

And now, I’m appalled. She’s jumped in and out of bed with bush and the warbots like a $5 hooker.

I had no idea she was this cyinical and unprincipled.

Worse, I had no idea she was so politically stupid. She’s abandoned her rock-solid natural base, the progressive wing of the party, to suck up to the very people who’ve dragged us into this misery, and whom will do anything to sustain it, rather than have to admit what a fuckup it was.

And she’s doing it at a time when events in Iraq are moving to the point that no amount of spin, no amount of GOP shitspeak, will hide the reality of what bush and his supporters have created.

What a wizard!

And what political acumen to triangulate rightward, when not 1% of the people who voted for bush in either of the last two elections, will vote for HER. They hate her with a white-hot hatred. There could be three minute clips of her shining Laura Bush’s shoes and mopping the floors at the Crawford ranch, airing on Fauxnews, and she couldn’t get elected dogcatcher, with the votes she’d get from registered republicans.

The independents are not much better, for her. Nor, even, conservative democrats.

Her candidacy is a disaster waiting to happen, for our side, and a Rovian wet dream, for the republicans. That’s why we’ve heard so little criticism of her from them, other than the de riguer slap, en passant, as they go after Edwards and Obama.

Especially, Edwards, whom our corporate lords view with something akin to Scrooge McDuck peeing his feathers as the Beagle Boys head for his money vault.

Edwards isn’t perfect, and he and Elizabeth just flat brain-farted on their dissing of MoveOn, for their play on words of Petrolus’ name (thank you, Whitehouse.org…:o)) but he’s the best of the lot, IMHO, and if you want to see some pre-emptive swiftboating during the PRIMARY races, keep your eye on what the repubs will try to do to HIS candidacy, vs. Hillary’s.

As always, the caveat on ALL of the democrats is:

Will they let bush and the GOP write them into their political will, as idiot-heirs of the cluster d’phuque?

Stay tuned.

John Lewis; you’re not silly.

Edwards has said:

Repeatedly, and flatly, with no Clintonesque farting and tapdancing, that his 2002 vote to authorize was a mistake. Not a misjudgement; not misinformed (which they all were)…just WRONG. BTW, sooner or later, Clinton is going to HAVE to do this, and won’t she look principled, as it’s being shoved down her throat?

His first day in office, he will close the prison at Guantanamo.

The Insurance companies do not need to be IN on the healh care debates, as Hillary wants them to be. Edwards says, straight-up, that they need to be OUT of the equation.

He, too, talks about keeping troops in the mid-east, but he wants them in Kuwait, and possibly, the Kurdish north. Both options are more sensible and more realistic than keeping a reduced number in Iraq, although none of the major candidates, except Richardson, has opted for a complete “out, now.” plan, that I know of.

Access to pre-school for EVERY child.

Edwards catches hell for being a personal-injury lawyer.

Right. I’m really turned off by the fact that he’s made money in lawsuits on behalf of people who’ve been injured by corporate negiligence.

As for Clinton, all we need to do is keep forcing her to talk about Iraq, because every time she opens her mouth on that subject, she sounds very much like george bush.

And with those 170,000 troops basically serving as hostages to cover junior’s legacy-ass in Iraq, and with that $2.5 billion dollars a week disappearing into the mesopotamian sand (and Blackwater and KBR’s coffers), in the near future, she’s gonna have to fish or cut bait. :o)

Blub @ 73

I’d call for DiFi’s resignation, but, unfortunately, we have a rethug governor, and I think I know who he’d appoint. And that’s just plain scary to contemplate.. so, unfortunately, we have DiFi. Not representing us.

Remember when California was known as all Liberal and wacky out there?

What happened? Did Big Money decide they had to get a handle on that or did the people change?

SnarKassandra @ 81

…
But nobody TALKS to us about politics. … Politics ignores US.

Politicians reflect you. They won’t go pandering to you until you vote and show your interests or that you’ll vote for their opponent.

TeddySanFran @ 92

Ann in AZ @ 86

… so what possible excuse can Hillary have for this morning. … Just when you think it’s safe to go back…

Hillary has convinced me that the triangulating we criticized Bill for may have been largely her doing. … and then went on five Sunday gabfests as her old warmongering self. It’s a delicate balancing act, and she is very good at it.

Does anybody remember the last time someone got to go on all five Sunday gabfests the same day?

What you’re seeing is the cold dead hand of American Conservatism reaching out of the crypt and grabbing hold of a corner of the large tapestry of the Democratic Party and pulling us down to the darkness. Hillary is a willing tuggee.

Too bad we can’t just cut her loose and let her go with ‘em. But, she wants it all.

bg @ 106

HRC got top billing on the front page of the NYT today also. “Consolidating her lead” or some such. So I would call it a full six pak.

Looks like she’s the “great white hope” of the Republicans, er Conservative Rich Party.

They must really not think any Republican can get elected to shift their support so obviously to the DLC Dem.

marymccurnin @ 133

Loo Hoo. @ 129

Hillary plays chess. Very smart cookie.

All the rest of em play checkers.

Hillary isn’t playing ‘chess’. She’s playing Go and was given a 20 stone spot by the Rich.

TeddySanFran @ 303

Evan Bayh jumps on the Hillary Veep train, after Vilsack and Clark.

NEW YORK — Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana will endorse Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential bid on Monday, sources close to both lawmakers say.
…

This is all-Hillary-all-the-time campaigning. I wonder if it will sway anyone.

I guess the Clintons are/were worried that just being close might lead to some questioning of the inevitability of her victory, so they’re trying to blitz people.

Is this the voice of Power or of Desperation?

Do we really care if it isn’t the voice for People?

Triangulators may know all the angles, but they’re never right.