How many times on this site have we asked to call/write/fax/email ….somebody to urge them to do some good thing or other? And how many times have you rushed to the phones and then reported back your efforts in the comment threads? And how many times have you been disappointed and felt like you had no impact?
LHP waits patiently while readers make LONG lists.
OK, OK you can STOP now…. I think 10 pages, single spaced is more than adequate to make my point.
So, I thought you might be very pleasantly surprised by a little bit of news that came out… of the Federal Judicial Conference this week. You may recall that last week I told you that the Judicial Conference was considering a request (Presumably from DOJ) to limit Internet access to guilty plea information. A suggested excuse why this might be necessary was the creation of a really heinous and dangerous website called “whosarat” (please do NOT google and visit them–they don’t deserve the clicks) that lists the names of cooperating witnesses and undercover agents in a database that folks get to access for a fee. Because whosarat is a profit making entity, merely taking content off the Internet won’t even begin to stop them because it is worth the time and money to go down to the courthouse and hand copy the documents out of the file, just as it is worth for MSM to send reporters to do so when they want info.
The only entities who would have been hurt by that idea were regular citizens and citizen journalists like Marcy Wheeler, Jeralyn, Laura Rozen and TPM who have neither the resources nor the profit motive to go to far flung courthouses all over the country. Marcy has been doing some astounding investigative journalism working off information in court appearances by cooperating defendants and plea agreements which would not have been possible at all if she did not have web access to this info.
So I asked you to send comments to the Judicial Conference explaining why shutting down Internet access is not the solution to the whosarat problem and why citizens and citizen journalists really need as much Internet access to the courts as possible.
Bravehearts and eloquent pens (er, keyboards) rose to the task and some of the comments you registered were truly inspirational. I guess somebody might have read them.
Why do I think that? Well, even though the comment period has not yet closed, just days after your write-in, the Judicial Conference announced THIS set of decisions.
I’ll wait while you read. Back now? Good.
Yep, you read that right. They have decided to go whole hog AND POST ALL THE TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS ONLINE. Do you know what a huge expensive commitment of resources that is? Transcripts used to cost us regular folks a fortune (remember Pach having to buy one of the early Libby transcripts? Hundreds of dollars for a single day’s worth of testimony). Now we can parse every minute of any trial we choose, in minute detail, to our heart’s content. Wait, wait –there’s more.
Last Thursday I attended an event with the “reporter” to the Conference explaining the changes to the Federal Rules that were coming down the pike. The reporter told the assembled lawyers (and judges) that the Conference, after much thought had come to the conclusion, that henceforth (and I wrote this quote down) “what’s public is public and that means on the Internet.” Say it with me folks, from now on the default setting of the entire federal court system will be—if you can get it at the courthouse you should be able to get it on the Internet.
Is the release of the wonderful announcement right after your comments were received a coincidence? I may never know for sure. But the timing looks deliciously like somebody heard you and believes in what you are doing out here on the net.
Don’t forget, it was the federal judiciary, during the Libby trial, which opened the door for DFH bloggers to be credentialed like other journalists and actually had a room set up to accommodate our connectivity needs.
So, if you ever get discouraged and think that what we are all trying to do never makes one whit of difference, pardon me while I disagree. I’m off to do the happy dance now.
[Note to dial up users: no links to PDFs or video. All links other than to Marcy and the FJC press release are internal FDL links]



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LHP !!!
happy dance!
LHP!
Roots in the morning.
What amazing news!!! Thanks for your part in all this.
Thats my beagle buddy Miss Dog…. Tuesday waiting for Mom to feed her dinner … it’s supper time dance…
WOW that is GREAT news after this last week of crushing defeat and other topics….
Thats GREAT news! Happy Snoopy Dance, indeed!
OT but important:
STOP BLACKWATER WEST October 6 and 7, 2007
Good morning lhp. love your posts – it’s so good to wake up to good news for a change.
OT: It turns out that this democratic congress is more popular with Republicans than with Democrats: http://tpmelectioncentral.com/…..ngress.php
Today, Glenn Greenwald considers the reasons that Democratic congressmen abandon their base. Basically, it’s that they are from an entirely different strata of society than their base, and they identify with and want to be accepted by the beltway crowd.
He focuses particularly on Diane Feinstein, concluding:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Great news! What’s public is public, and that means on the internet!
Woo Hoo!
LHP and the faithful firepups!
Dancing in the Streets!
P.S. “It is a shame Saddam Hussein had all Iraq’s Vandellas killed.” – Teh First AWOL Cokehead.
Yee haw!!!
(No I don’t really say that sort of thing. Even in Texas.)
Wow! I wonder if state courts will follow suit? Even thought they like the money, just think of the personnel they can cut by not having to copy all that stuff for us poor citizens.
LHP,
This is great news.
But question: Will it possibly lead to many more sealed court pleadings, orders and opinions?
holy shit! that’s great news!
Great News–Congratulations!!
Good job, LHP. I confess that when I wrote to them I thought it would be another entry on the ten pages previously referenced. Thanks for letting us help.
Basically, it’s that they are from an entirely different strata of society than their base, and they identify with and want to be accepted by the beltway crowd.
The problem with that is that Cong. Harry Mitchell from AZ-05 is a retired high school teacher, 28 years of teaching government, and 12 years serving as a state senator…. this guy is not mega bucks and was one of us…… THAT makes me think that he has congresscritter-itis …. you know that disease that people get….. the new boss has bossitis where it goes right to their head…..
I missed Jane on To The Contrary
Marcel Marceau, Famed French Mime, Dies
By ANGELA DOLAND
The Associated Press
Sunday, September 23, 2007; 10:30 AM
PARIS — Marcel Marceau, whose lithe gestures and pliant facial expressions revived the art of mime and brought poetry to silence, died Saturday. He was 84.
Dang, selise. I’ve never heard you cuss before!! *g*
Hi
I didn’t think I see the day that the public means the public no matter if its Net or other.
Thanks looseheadprop
jo6pac
Great job LHP and everyone else.
Thanks, TexBetsy. Just checked my mail.
Glenn really tore into DiFi. But he speaks truth. Go read his piece. It explains why we are so frustrated and that we truly are DFH’s out here in the hinterland. If we summered on Martha’s Vineyard or had townhomes in Georgetown like the good people do, we would be listened to.
this is somewhat related…
the House Judiciary Committee is having a hearing this week (thursday, 1pm) on H.R. 2128, the “Sunshine in the Courtroom Act of 2007.” looks like they’re considering allowing audio and video recordings?
more on next week’s hearings short list and complete list.
wigwam @ 10
She makes you sick, doesn’t she?
Screw this. I’m going out to clear brush.
Great job LHP…thanks
OT..But Glenn’s smack-down of DiFi is brilliant…check it out
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Loo Hoo. @ 23
lol. the f word and i are very good friends. *g*
selise @ 28
Woohoo!!! I’m a complete hearings junkie.
Well, actually, I only went up there in February or so of 2006, well before the trial, to buy and then scan for Jane, Christy and Marcy a filing or ruling or something. It was about 40-50 bucks, total. Took me a while to get time with the guy who would make the copies for me, though; they did not do that at the Clerk’s office. I spent about 4 hours I guess.
But the wider point still remains. Great reporting and great news, LHP!
The Beach Boys nostalgia has worn off. I’m fightin’ mad again. DiFi is married to a defense contractor. JoeLie is married to a lobbyist for big pharma. When we get to clean house we need to put in place laws that force these senators to recuse themselves from votes on issues that affect their and their family members direct livelihoods.
Cokie Roberts alert on GeorgeStephy.
get those chickewire enclosures up to protect your teevees.
End of Public Service Announcement.
Carry on.
Elliott @ 21
me too.
but we’ll be able to listen to the podcast when it’s posted – here.
selise @ 36
thank you, selise — once again!
I wish Jane and Christy ran the world. I could then get my work done instead of every day having to come here and help keep the “free world” safe from harm.
egregious @ 32
me too! (i’m sure that comes as a surprise to no one here *g*)
just happened to get the hearings list done early this week (usually i aim for monday morning, since that’s when i post it in the comments for scarecrow).
David Brooks thinks HRC is A-Ok.
(an announcement from the “that’s-all-you-need-to-know” department)
LHP:
You bring welcome news indeed!
Thank you and all those who have played a part.
Hope is so necessary, and when confirmed sustains the struggle. Great!!!
A glorious Oklahoma morning to all. A morning swim and I am serving breakfast pool side.
And a Sunday morning toast to Dan Rather, and “litigation discovery”. Expose this president’s legacy for what it is. Cowardness, gross irresponsibility, crimes against humanity and subversion of the Constitution.
Great news on the court documents issue. Congrats to lhp for highlighting the issue for us.
A reminder of why it’s so fuckin important to get these fuckers out of the White House:
Newsweek Magazine reported Sunday that Vice President Richard Cheney may have considered a plan for Israeli missile strikes against an Iranian nuclear site in an effort to draw a military response from Iran, which could in turn spark a U.S. offensive against targets in the Islamic Republic.
Citing two unnamed sources the magazine called knowledgeable, the magazine quoted David Wurmser, until last month Cheney’s Middle East advisor, as having told a small group of people that “Cheney had been mulling the idea of pushing for limited Israeli missile strikes against the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz – and perhaps other sites – in order to provoke Tehran into lashing out.”
According to the report, “The Iranian reaction would then give Washington a pretext to launch strikes against military and nuclear targets in Iran.”
Cokie – GWB has the party in trouble ’cause “there’s just not enough white guys to go around”.
We in this house see a lot of very good writers in the comments. May we encourage you to write letters to the editor. People who read the newspapers vote. ;0)
jayt @ 40
If Brooks likes someone, right away I am suspect.
Hugh @ 43
Seconded.
Gnome de Plume @ 38
That’s what I long for. I’ve always been a news junkie, but this ‘edge of my seat’ feeling is getting to be a bit much.
F’in far out! Looseheadprop rules the world. Dig the happy dance.
!!happy dance!! all of us together: if somebody photoshops (with proper attention to rights, naturally) it would make a great screen saver.
Looks like someone got to the Iraq gov’t.
AP – An Iraqi official conceded Sunday that Blackwater USA’s exit would create a “security vacuum” in Baghdad and said the U.S. and Iraq were instead working on revamping regulations governing private security companies after a deadly shooting of civilians.
egregious @ 32
Selise, I followed a link of yours to the Deocratic Policy Committee hearing yesterday and listened while cleaning house.. There were several times I almost scrubbed right through my bath tub such as when Harry Reid said.. “Who is KBR?” I almost screamed!
Gnome de Plume @ 15
Thye couts don’t get the money for the transcripts. The court reporters get paid by the page. Youpay the reporter directly.
But just think about how many federal trials go on everyday all over the US. Can you think about what a huge commitment of server space, bandwidth, etc. is invovled in post ALL the trial transcripts?
SOme tech person will have to explain to me, b/c I cannot begin to wrap my mind around it.
The federal courts are tightening their own belts (cutting bugets for courthouse rent, for law clerks positions, etc) at the same time they are spending hugely to allow youto see their work.
Remeber, federal judges are largely prohibited from communicating witht eh public about thier cases. It must be very frustrating for them to know that prosecutions are being misrerted or unreported by the MSM.
I truly believe they are turning to you to get the truth out.
On Thrsay night the Conference reporter said something to the audience about how there are actually these bloggers out there who follow trials.
I almost fell off my chair. Thank god I had snagged one of the padded leather airmchairs or I would have landed onthe floor.
They know you are out here and they must like what you are doing.
AP – Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki kept a polite distance Saturday as they attended a group meeting and avoided discussion of a deadly Baghdad shootout involving guards from a U.S. company protecting American diplomats.
*joining the rest of the FDL pups in the Snoopy Dance*
Great news! Thanks!
Great, court transcripts will be posted on the web, yay netroots.
But the (D) controlled Congress will likely pass legislation retroactively immunizing telecom lawbreakers and Regime officials, so they will never end up in court.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
The ultimate legal transaction for us (in this home) would be impeachment.
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Citizen looseheadprop and the Firepup Patriots:
Great news, great post and great work there, LHP!! Citizen action, ain’t it grand and it seems that those institutions and professional groups that are in the best position to see the direct costs of the fascification of federal rules, regulations and procedures are most responsive to citizen input. Your direction in this effort deserves another of the Norske’s “People’s Medal of Freedom” awards…great job LHP.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, REASON ONLY WORKS WITH THE GOOD GUYS!!
LHP @ 54
Appreciate that in-sight.
Had wondered.
selise @ 28
The judges really do seem to be pushing for this hard.
On the other hand in the upcomming changes to the federal rules, there are some provisons that will probabaly go and the Judicial Conference doesn’t know why other than “DOJ asked for it” and no one seems to know what for.
Well, I am going to have to leave the fight to the rest of you for a few hours. I am going out to feed my orchids and change the fish filters and whatever else needs to be done in the yard.
sporkovat @ 57
Sounds like it’s time to hammer home some points with our Congress Critters again – like, “those who are complicit in crimes should not get away with it, just because the Decider decides they should”
Eureka Springs @ 53
How is it that we are so much better informed?
OT: Pachacutec is my scheduled interview today on Meet the Bloggers on BlogTalkRadio starting at 12noon EDT in about 5 minutes. He’ll be on in about 15 minutes from now, and Clammy C of DailyKos fame will be my blogger guest after I interview Pach about the MoveOn ad. I’m short a blogger guest to pair with Clammy C so if anyone wants to call in we could use some callers today. You can call in to the show at 718-508-9856 in the second half hour of the show. Talk to you guys soon!
Joh
Upcoming presidential election should be described as “The Long War”.
We’ll know who the candidates are my March or so- and won’t vote until November..By then everyone will be sick of em.
Pachacutec @ 33
I thought it was a hearing transcript? I seem to recall you recounting finding the actual court reporter and waiting in the hall while he printed out the transcript.
Also, $40-50 bucks for a hearing that takes an hour or two is about right. It’s usually a couple hundred bucks for a full trial day, esp. if you get expedited copy.
My last trial, transcript fees ran about $5 grand a week.
LHP: @ 61
Ah, the DOJ demands
and it is done. So?
From ‘on high’ it is.
Eureka Springs @ 53
yeah, iirc, there were several examples of that kind of ignorance. pretty scarey… but something we’ve been seeing far too often – our congress critters aren’t usually the experts (or even well read citizens) we would hold they’d be.
i’m going to try to give the DPC hearing (on iraq “security” contractors) another listen today, since i missed some of it on friday.
highly recommend this hearing to any firepups who missed it. i’d put it close to this year’s SJC hearing with comey in terms of importance.
there’s a streaming video archive at the DPC website. and i ripped the audio if you’d prefer an mp3 to download.
TexBetsy @ 64
It has long been thought that the more citizens participate, the better. Lets me see now. I think I first my mother say that 50 years ago.
Whoa!
Fantastic news. It’s really heartening to see some good news. I guess once upon a time, in a fairytale called democracy, you’d have expected the elected legislative branch to be the one most susceptible to public desire to have govt in sunshine. That better success is coming through the judiciary is both heartening on the one hand – and yet unnerving when you think that it is only a small step, a spineless Democratic Congress passing demented legislation, away from being lost. Like habeas, torture, unconstitutional search and seizures, etc.
[I epu’d a response to your 53 in the thread below. ]
David W. Bartoo @ 68
That’s right. It was a hearing transcript.
You’ve “refreshed my memory!”
;-)
Of course if you’re working hard just to make ends meet, have no health care or other benefits, have mouths to feed, and perhaps your house is going into foreclosure, it’s hard to participate.
TexBetsy @ 64
two reasons i can think of:
1) none of us has to know it all (like a congress member should)… we just get together and compare notes to get a fuller understanding of any particular issue.
2) congress critters spend almost all their time raising money. they don’t have time to learn (let alone figure out) what’s going on.
A quick drive-by to salute all and take a celebratory twirl around the dance floor..
Because we don’t have to spend all of our spare time fundraisring, we can educate ourselves.
Off to gig the afternoon away…A good day to all.
rwcole @ 44
Don’t suppose that they would have used some nuclear-tipped old cruise missiles that happened to wander away from their home in the Dakotas down to LA and then … well, they would just have disappeared without anyone knowing they were gone, and it would have been very hard to put together the pieces after they had been used.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 58
Not good enough, OKK. They need to be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. (Hi to Lahoma!)
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Citizen oklahomakiddo and the Firepup Patriots:
“It has long been thought that the more citizens participate the better.”
You betcha, kiddo, another way of sayin’ that is “the only remedy for threats to democracy is more democracy”. Citizen action, direct action is not only effective but contagious and habit formin’, that’s why all the coordinated e-mails, phone calls and fundraisin’ in the blogosphere is so…well, so DEMOCRATIC, don’tcha know!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS ARE GETTIN’ SCARED NOW!!
Anyone following what’s happening in Burma/Myanmar?
looseheadprop @ 54
Exactly. So is this another great idea in the heads of some people (journalists and cyberjournalists) to make somebody else (court reporters) work for free?
Pachacutec @ 73
These details are important. We are making history.
Kestrel…
one needs briefcases full of cash to hammer home points with the congresscritters.
on procedural issues they don’t much care about, seems like maybe citizen input can have some effect.
on the ‘fascification’ issues, most congressional (D)’s are on the same team as Cheney & Bush, and it is time for (D) afficionados to see that.
check out http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
for a much more articulated critique.
Prof @ 80
was last night. anything new?
Starting now:
Glenn Greenwald speaking at Cato institute on Bush legacy – c-span2 (1&1/2 hrs)
Prof @ 80
Yes. The Sisters are out in force.
Nuns join Myanmar protests for first time
Inclusion came day after dramatic appearance by detained democracy icon
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20935091/
selise at 75
if i were in congress (perish the thought) and some really complex bill came across my desk, i’d have one of my bright staff members give me a 1-page, bullet-point summary of the bill’s political implications and leave it at that
finifinito @ 65
Thanks!
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Citizen rwcole:
“A reminder of why it’s so important to get these fuckers out of the White House…”
And, might I add, why it’s so important to keep Mrs. Clinton and her A*P*C and corporate owners out of the same.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DRIVE ‘EM CRAZY!!
Gnome de Plume @ 15
Well, if you want to put it that way, you can’t overlook the revenues they will lose from charging us poor citizens for copying all that stuff!
Thank you so much for bird-dogging this for us LHP
Most likely this has been discussed, but here is a link from CNN on Bush and Crony Admin. on how they are making sure to pardon themselves in advance:
Jonathan @ 87
ah… but who do you hire for your staff? someone rahm told you to? i’m begining to think that a lot of bad shit happens that way.
Prof @ 80
Briefly. 10,000 monks marching…but for what purpose, Prof?
There has been an unquiet revolution in prosecutorial and courtroom scrutiny in 2007. The fdl live blogging of the Libby trial has been emulated time and again, from Florida to Alaska. Although fdl is alternative, rather than MS media, the interactive and informative natures of open access to court proceedings as they wend their way from indictment to denoument are highly enriching and enpowering to all forms of media and to the citizenry.
The concerns of the Federal Judicial Conference on this are, of course coming from folks who want to be able to manipulate a whole host of trial scenarios from behind a wall. I suspect the push is coming from corporate concerns more than from people representing the hundreds of GOP crooks awaiting trials.
Loo Hoo. @ 93
democracy!
katymine @ 20
That’s my take too, except that he was also a former Mayor and Councilman of Tempe. Therefore, he has some executive experience, too, so he should know better than to do certain votes. I don’t give him quite as much sway because he’s a newbie.
Heads up to those in the Sacramento area — To The Contrary is going to be on in 10 minutes on KVIE, channel 6.
selise at 92
“someone rahm told you to?”
maybe. but, by definition, as a house member i’d be an imbiber of beltway realpolitic
so it wouldn’t matter
selise @ 69
This is why we have to keep on calling, and maybe more importantly keep on writing. Maybe some longer more thoguhtful letters and emails with citations or links to information.
We need to educate our electeds.
you know there are many kinds of lobying. One kind, and the kind I find a bit inspirational, is when you educate the person you are lobying in the hopes that they will see the light.
In the thread below, I told a story about how NYS DFA did some of that with then gubenatorial cadidate (now gov.) Elliot Spitzer on the issue of DRE voting machines.
We ARE very well informed here at the Lake. We need to share our knowledge with the folks who represent us in Congress
Catch this yet? (Wapo this AM)
Missteps in the Bunker
Mrs. Clinton, after winning a burst of attention by rolling out a detailed health care plan this week, is planning similar speeches in the weeks ahead on education and energy. Mr. Edwards, who campaigned in all 99 Iowa counties in 2004, hit his 76th county on Friday as he made his way across the state to see if the people who supported him in 2004 were still with him.
The three leading contenders have also adopted decidedly different views of how the race will play out. Mrs. Clinton’s advisers argued that it would probably end on Feb. 5 when about 20 states vote. Though only 50 percent of the delegates will be selected by that day, the Clinton advisers suggested that one candidate would be so far ahead that there would be huge pressure on the other Democrats to rally around the leader.
Mr. Obama has begun preparing for a much more protracted campaign, arguing that it will be in effect a hunt for delegates that could last well into the spring. To that end, he is competing in some unlikely places — New York, for example, where he is holding a rally in Washington Square Park on Thursday — because under Democratic rules, delegates are allocated to candidates based on the percentage of votes they win
If this thing’s over the first week of February- which seems likely, we’ll know who the candidates are in about four months. The race gets hot starting NOW.
looseheadprop @ 99
good point – our lobbying efforts do seem to be more effective when we educate as well as advocate.
If you want our children, and their children’s kids to be involved and be good citizens, then this tendency toward participation must begin in the home and the schools.
Fantastic news! Now if we can just make sure we will all have equal access to the internet…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 103
Agreed. Need to get more balanced media into the schools for starters. I think the right wing has taken over channel one, which kids in our school system watch at least 3x a week.
We in this house call upon all Democrats to call, write, and email the Demo front-runners to express their concerns.
Betsy, YGM. Now out to orchidland.
LHP – Way cool. Thanks to you as well. One question, and maybe it has changed in the last few years since I had to do much purchasing of transcripts (certainly at the Federal level anyway); but doesn’t this take money out of the pockets of the court reporters? I that they, or at least used to, made a little off of purchased transcripts. Maybe that was just for rush scripts…..
I think it best that ignorant goopers and their progeny NOT participate in democracy.
selise @ 102
but we ARE effective :)
bmaz @ 108
I don’t know. The press release doesn’t say how the transcripts get paid for. maybe the courts will be paying them? I don’t know.
There is a 90 day lag time before they are posted on line.maybe that lag time is so that the parties to the case will still feel the need to buy them?
Elliot at 100
Yes, we are effective, but not as effective as we would like. Remember the 10 pages, single spaced above.
bmaz @ 108
As a court reporter myself (I passed the California CSR exam in July after a 14-year hiatus because of disability) I have conflicting feelings about this.
I highly resent other people thinking it’s a great idea for me to give away my work product for free.
Along those lines, why don’t we make the authors who come here to talk about their books post the manuscript online so we can all have access to it? Wouldn’t that enhance the conversation? Great idea, huh?
On the other hand — and I don’t know if I am being hypocritical here or not — I would probably support uploading the transcript file to the internet for public access after the case has run its course and the usual suspects (the parties involved) have made their appropriate purchases during the progression of the case.
Here’s an example of why what lhp writes about is so important. The Anchorage Daily News has been seriously remiss on its print pages over the years, in regard to Alaska political corruption. They started a blog section last year that has taken a long time to get off the ground. It has finally taken off as the blogging reporters – who also write real articles for the paper – have learned the ropes of live blogging hearings and trials, posting audio and video clips of FBI surveillance of GOP crooks, and reading between the lines. They’re actually starting to get out front of the rest of the paper, partially from tips that come in from commenters.
This thread, about how it came out at the end of last week in the former GOP state Rep. Pete Kott bribery trial that VECO has routinely paid for polling for GOP candidates, without the candidates getting billed, will gain a long comment thread during the day.
LindaR @ 113
If you click on the link in the post and read the press release from the Judicial Conference, you will see that there is a 90 lag period.
Okay, so I am watching the Sunday bobbleheads.
Blech.
I’m ready to jab forks into my eyes.
Is it time to emigrate to, oh, I dunno, Kazakhstan?
OT – but I am seething at what i read this morning on DU
http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;1877359
The company doing the polling:
Further info in comments on DU:
Can we Firepups do anything?
TRex
Try Vancouver BC first.
It might not hurt to drop a line to Gore.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 119
You are a man of hope and determination
lhp @ 115 — I think that resolves the problems reporters would have with it. I could live with that, anyway.
But the first time some novelist appropriates my transcript, I’m going to sue for royalty participation!
rwcole @ 109
You’re getting into some sticky stuff here. The question that I would raise is Who would determine who is ignorant and would it still be a democracy?
LindaR @ 113 –
are court reporters not paid by the court? if so, couldn’t their salaries be increased to cover the lost wages?
i don’t want to cause economic hardship to anyone… but the courts are paid for by all our taxes… we have a right to know what goes on in them. open government is a good thing.
rwcole @ 118
I hear that Canada really doesn’t want us. Or that it costs something like $100,000 to burn through all the red tape, fees, etc…
looseheadprop @ 111
Ah. That makes a little more sense. Thanks again.
Kucinich is mentioned in most polls– he normally gets one percent- but sometimes he doubles his status to TWO PERCENT.
Kucinich will NOT be the next president of the United States.
Ed*ard Teller @ 114
Wow, that lets their readers feel like a fly on the wall at the local FBI office.
rwcole @ 126
maybe not, but his voice should not be dampened now through the primaries.
TRex,
Cheaper to stay here at FDLnation.
Or, could we all pool our money and buy a nice island somewhere?
“Who is KBR?”
The real question is: Who is Harry Reid?
Which of the Democratic candidates for president are Progressive?
selise @ 123
The court pays the reporters salary for making the record. The parties who want transcripts of the record pay the reporters for producing the record in transcript form.
They are two different jobs. Most court reporters work 60 to 80 hours a week. They work like dogs! I don’t work in court because of that. I do depositions.
rwcole @ 126
My seething is not about Kucinich per se – it is the manipulation by the Repubs (and likely Clinton’s campaign) of poll numbers. i have heard polls done on CSpan and Thom Hartmann where Kucinich and Edwards get the vast majority of votes – yet we are being told by the MSM that polls show that Clinton has it sewed up.
selise @ 123
And people do have the right to know what is going on in the courts. Citizens can attend trials and newspapers can send reporters to cover the trials.
KathieinMN @ 117
They are doing market research. The TEXT of the polling script is key. If they lied in the script, they might have a wire fraud problem.
I’ve never heard of a poll where Kucinich and Edwards get the vast majority of the votes. I HAVE heard of polls where Edwards is ahead in Iowa- in fact he’s ahead in MANY of em.
Who is the candidate best suited to bring peace to the Middle East, bring environmental issues to the fore, institute health care for everyone and fix our schools?
May I just say after watching Hillary on CNN a few moments ago that she really blew it on her MoveOn explination.. This woman will absolutely be a thorn in the left side of our party/country, imo. Remember how Bill Clinton’s DLC ways helped D’s lose control of congress… I think there are more than enough similarities in both Clinton’s style to predict they will triangulate away the voice of the left in order to coddle the right and stay in power while maintaining the illusion something is actually being accomplished.
Look no further than the State of AR’s D party right now (after decades of Clinton control and development). It’s overwhelmingly controlled by people with a D by their name but as far right as one could possibly imagine. Or look no further than what she is not doing in the Senate right now.
Further info in comments on DU:
Thanks, LHP – still makes me mad.
I’ve been surprisingly impressed with Hillary and her campaign so far. She’s learned a lot and apparently has a very competent staff. She’ll be tough to beat- her lead is growing, not shrinking, and no one is making a run so far.
Just a few months left to change that.
Thanks, LHP – still makes me mad.
(sorry for the messed up formatting in my message – still don’t have the hang of things. )-:
looseheadprop @ 127
But even more important, because the corruption has been so longstanding, and Alaska is the biggest small town in the world, information comes in from the woodwork. From what most people here can tell, the whole FBI trainwreck for the GOP was set in motion when a local muckraker, named Ray Metcalfe began, on his own, to investigate the son of Ted Stevens, Ben Stevens, who at that time was President of the Alaska State Senate. Many other examples of this process being driven somewhat by citizens seeing information and being piqued into providing the next link abound.
looseheadprop @ 54
In truth, many, maybe most, counties have their entire property tax roll on the internet. Or, you may view public records on the internet like you used to be able to view them on microfilm or microfiche at the county recorders and assessors offices.
rwcole @ 136
Sorry I wasn’t clear – these were informal call-in polls – not published ones.
LHP what wonderful news thank you for your huge part in this.
Chills while I was reading your post. To think that we “may” have had an effect on the transparency of our Judicial system is encouraging. I want to thank (once again) all of the folks (attorneys and others) who understand the justice system far better than I can ever hope to, for their kindness and patience when questions were asked on this blog
during the Libby trial which may have been naive and not up to par. I will be sure to let the young folks who came(coerced) to the blog during the trial and followed a long about the decision.
I have been feeling especially discouraged about the direction of our country ,just really really sad about the death and destruction in Iraq that is a direct result to our invasion. This is a bit of encouraging news…..
We in this home are interested in peace and domestic issues. In that order.
LindaR @ 134
no people can’t attend the trials they want to. travel and time off of work make that an impossibility for most people. and we’ve learned out lame most MSM coverage is.
making the primary documents available is the way to go… again, i don’t want to take any $ away from the court reporters. i’d be ok with having my taxes increased to increase salaries so that there is no economic damage done.
but i don’t like the idea that the court transcripts are equivalent to an author’s book. that’s just not so. the author isn’t being paid a salary to write a book on a topic of the employer’s choice. in general when most of us work for someone else, all the work we do while on the job belongs to our employer.
Alicia @ 104
good good point.
Well, the transcripts ruling isn’t so hot, IMO. 90 days before they are posted!
I’ve never understood why court reporters ‘own’ their transcripts and receive cash for a copy until (the new 90 day limit) it is obsolete for news reporting purposes.
Why are the transcripts not publicly paid for and owned documents? The reporters shouldn’t have to rely on spotty income from the transcripts, they should be paid per page at the time of submission.
This ruling will not improve the day to day reporting of court actions. You still have to go to the court clerk to get a copy or directly pay the court reporter.
Not good enough!
KathieinMN @ 139
If anyone gets one of these calls, please hit the “record” button on your answering machine and then
1) keep the tape
2) transcribe what you have and let me know. There a legal ways of doing what they are trying to do and illegal ways. It’s har to keep within the lines of the legal way.
So one of you could be the witness who busts them
And who does the DLC favor for prez?
looseheadprop @ 111
oh, that’s a bummer… i was hoping it would be as the trial proceeded.
Ed*ard Teller @ 142
This is such great news.
BTW, can I say how much I am enjoying being a thread where we can celebrate actually moving the ball towards the goal?
ET’s news is every bit as significant as mine.
Please forgive. This is O/T and it is a re-post:
The U.K.’s Sunday Times reports:
The attack was launched with American approval on September 6 after Washington was shown evidence the material was nuclear related, the well-placed sources say.
They confirmed that samples taken from Syria for testing had been identified as North Korean. This raised fears that Syria might have joined North Korea and Iran in seeking to acquire nuclear weapons.
Israeli special forces had been gathering intelligence for several months in Syria, according to Israeli sources. They located the nuclear material at a compound near Dayr az-Zwar in the north.
I am sure you will all join me in saying thank you to the State of Israel.
Kathleen @ 145
You know, the Judges were the canaries in the coal mine from the beginning. Back in 2002-2003 federal jduges were trying to “blow the whistle” the rules relating to their communications made it tough for them.
They have life tenure, yet like career DOJ employees, a surprising number have just left the bench.
If you had a job where YOU COULD NOT BE FIRED, with lots of prestige and great health benefits and a good pension, ( oh and after certain age you automatically get “senior status” which means you get to decide how many cases you want to take each year so you can pretty much work as much or as little as you want)
Would you quit that job unless you were really really uncomfortable with what was happening?
looseheadprop @ 153
It would certainly prove to be ironic if Alaska, one of the most corrupt political environments in the country (read – the mixture of oil and fungelicals), and the Anchorage Daily News (not the flagship of the McClatchy truth fleet – more like the garbage scow) became a template for interactive journalism during political trials.
I’m planning on doing a bit of live blogging of the upcoming trial of Rep. Vic Kohring, which might prove to be one of the most bizarre political trials in recent US history…
BigMitch @ 154
I am sure you will all join me in saying thank you to the State of Israel.
Why would we necessarily believe that? May be true, may not. On first blush, I am suspicious as hell of this claim. Cheney and Israel wants to attack Iran; this is exactly how they would gin up the fever for it.
“What’s public is public.”
I like that a lot. Wouldn’t it be nice to see more of that from the other two branches of government?
Looseheadprop, while you’re passing around the “thank you’s,” you need to take a bow yourself. Your post to highlight this issue was right on target, and your call to file comments with the Judicial Conference obviously resonated with both the judges and the firepups!
JimPortlandOR @ 149
It’s not going to replace the need for liveblogging. No doubt about that. But this a huge expensive commitement of resources aimed at getting info out to the public.
I am thrilled even if you are not.
OT -
LHP, thanks for the freezing info yesterday. i put half a gallon of ratatouiie in the freezer yesterday (also 2 and a half gallons of tomato sauce and 4 cups of pesto) and will make another bigger batch of ratatouiie today. all made with veggies from the local organic farm.
ET will probably laugh at my small efforts… but this is the first time i’ve frozen food for winter, so i’m psyched!
selise @ 152
No, nor should it be. The daily copy gets replaced weeks later, y a better quality transcript that has the homophone errors and grammar fixed. There isn’t time to do that if you are jsut rpinting out raw reporting and merely running it through spell check.
Daily copy transcritps often have really serious errors.
Chills “what’s public is public and that means on the Internet”
Happy dance down LHP.
Not sure what documents would be appropriate to read in the Jena 6 or just how to access (since you FDL folks did the linking to the documents in the Libby and other instances).
Sure would like to read the decision of the DA who determined that the white kids who hung the nooses could not be tried for a “hate crime” because they were under age and then the same DA turned around and determined that Micheal Byell would be tried as an adult for beating up a white kid.
This is at the state level right? Can we access those documents?
Peterr @ 158
amen!
rockin good job, lhp. Congrats and thanks.
looseheadprop @ 161
that makes sense. thanks for the explanation.
OT – I just found out about the secret code numbers on my DD-214. fucking weird!
OTOH, the subject is ON topic – You can learn something new about government and corporate secrets every day on the web. KEEP IT OPEN!!!
looseheadprop @ 161
We used to keep a running list of some of the things that get through in a rush — the most celebrated being “urinalysis” where “your analysis” was called for.
LHP! This is absolutely fantastic!
I’ve been annoying Lake dwellers all week telling them it would be my birthday today.
WHAT.A.FABULOUS.PRESENT!
Thank you everyone. I don’t even know how to use it, but the thot that you, LHP, and Marcy and Christy etc. etc. etc. can…. Priceless!
Thank you to all you special folks who wrote those wonderful, powerful letters linked by LHP. Thanks also for the many others who wrote. Special place, this! ;->
bmaz @ 157
Not exactly. They would be shouting it from the rooftops. This has gotten more press on the Firedoglake late late night website than in all of the msm taken together.
Happy Birthday Adie!
selise @ 160
I’m thrilled! Good for you, selise. In another three weeks, any food I leave outside will be “frozen for the winter.” Today, I’ve got to go dig some fresh, clean sand, to cover my carrots for the winter in a cool part of my shop.
Elliott @ 170
thanks. ;->
selise @ 160
I have one of those big drop in ax murder freezers in my basment. I always put up too much food and spring have to clean out freezer burned fossils.
it will become an addicition unless you have limited freezer space. Or unless you get (and I reaaly should) one of those gizmos that suck the air out of and seal the freezer bag. Then the frozen food lasts longer because the ice cruytals can’t migrate out of the food to the surface causing the freezer burn
Is Scooter Libby in the news today?
Kind of.
They had a memorial at Yankee stadium to the great Yankee shortstop, and Radio announcer, Phil Rizzuto. His nickname wasn’t mentioned, although, it was purlioned by Irv Lewis Libby who was also diminulative in stature.
Kathleen @ 162
I have no idea what La does, but suspect it is not the most up to date system tech wise.
Adie,
Happy Birthday from a ways south of you. ;)
Christy’s upstairs guys
w/ empowerment ideas a-buzzin’ ;->
LindaR @ 167
That’s a funny one. Some however, can really change the meaning of the testimony. Especailly with people’s names being mistakenly printed out as a word or phrase that could actually work in the sentence.
I see that a lot
Margot @ 176
Thanks. It’s a good one, all of a sudden. I had been expecting pre-emptive strike on i**n or some other gawdawful thing from Jr.
The Dawgs never disappoint! You’d think I’d know that by now, heh. ;->
Happy Birthday Adie
and can I tell all of you how much you inspire me every day!
looseheadprop @ 173
i do only have a small freezer (it got cleaned out yesterday *g*). but i might be tempted to get a small extra one for the basement someday.
i double bagged everything in ziplock freezer bags, and while i’m sure there’s some air left – it’s not much.
off to the kitchen!
looseheadprop @ 173
Represented a guy with his mother in the drop in freezer. Bekins got suspicious when he demanded a way to plug the padlocked freezer in to electricity during a residential move and wanted to ride in the moving semi with it during the trip. Turns out he didn’t kill her; died of natural causes and he just couldn’t stand to part company.
Ed*ard Teller @ 171
sounds awesome. you-all inspire me to try more…
Elliott @ 110
Recently at a fund raiser event for Ohio Congressman Zack Space (D 18th district, took Ney’s seat). I was talking with Congressman Space about the inflammatory language that the “cakewalk in Iraq” folks had been using for the last four years pushing our nation into a conflict with Iran. I was quoting some of the things that middle east expert Flynt Leverett
http://www.newamerica.net/pres…..ew_america had and continues to say about situation with Iran. I was shocked when Congressman Space shared that he had never heard about him.
What I have realized for a very long time about our Reps is that they can not keep up with all of the issues (although one would have thought his aides would be all over what Mr. leverett has to say about Iran). I realize that our reps deal with pressures and overload that we can only imagine. Congressman Space is working hard and while I do not agree with his stand on many issues (he is trying to represent a lot of people with diverse views and opinions) I do realize that there are a lot of sincere people who step up to the plate and genuinely want to serve.
It is our job to be “vigilant” and let them know what we think hopefully based on solid information or experience.
bmaz @ 182
We had one of those a few decades back: Denise Hubert — but WAS a murder case. Gruesome.
selise @ 183
I put bales of hay around my greens for the winter (kale, chard, collards etc.) Build a hay igloo for them. Greens all winter.
bmaz @ 182
Yowser. That is attachment….
Kathleen @ 184
I can keep up with most of the issues in general, and it is neither my job, nor am I being paid to do it, nor do I have any staff to help. Why can’t he? Why can’t they all? Why can’t most committee members even seem to understand what the hell they are talking about on the subject matter of their own freaking committees?
Jean Shaheen for Senate
LindaR @ 81
I’m guessing that you might be a court reporter.
I have a dim recollection, from my days in the Office of Chief Counsel of the IRS, of having heard that the contract to provide transcripts of Tax Court trials to the court was a license to print money, and what the court reporting service made on selling copies to the parties was pure profit on top of that (marginal cost of providing additional copies once the tapes are transcribed is approximately zero). If court reporters are quasi-utilities, then where is the harm in building a public-access component into their contracts, where the marginal cost is effectively zero and the public benefit is huge?
Thanks for this, LHP! This is most excellent!
bmaz @ 188
Especially as serious as Iran. I would be reading everything I could get my hands and eyes on
looseheadprop @ 115
You’ll also see that te price is still eight cents a page, so this is still only going to make the records “public” to those willing and able to pay. Not quite good enough, in my book.
Great news, LHP. Thanks bunches for all you do.
OK OT but no one’s here and I just need to share this:
A First for me: There was a bee walking around on my keyboard just a moment ago. He was cleaning his legs and his wings and his little antennae and I though he was one of those dying bees.
But he just got up and flew back out the window. Huh. Must have been all the honey in between the keys from the tea spew. Thanks a lot, lhp. It did crack me up, your comment about the misspellings in rush transcripts, in which, in your inimitable way, every other word is misspelled. :) S’OK, William O. Douglas couldn’t spell, either.
Tinroof @ 193
It’s 25 cents a page if you copy it at the courthouse, so us Toobz user are getting a bargain.
Mommybrain @ 195
My typing cannot keepup witht eh rush of my words
jumping in at comment 197ish.
as ronnie reagan used to say, (caps on poipose, aka, purpose.)
“IF YOU BRING THE HEAT, THEY’LL SEE THE LIGHT.”
as they say in church, “here endeth the lesson.”
off to do my happy dance. :-)