RevDeb @ 26

It’s not about tracking the terra ists, it’s about tracking the dems and dirty tricks . . . and finding more ways to steal us blind.

Tin foil hat—they have no intention of giving up power in 2008-9.

Oh, how much I wish I didn’t fear that the tin foil hat theory may prove to be true. After 2000 and 2004 and now seeing how little difference the 2006 results have made, I’m very worried. I wouldn’t trust any of these unspeakable so-and-so’s to take care of a small child for half an hour. They think they know what’s best for this country and the world and are blind to the terrible damage they have done and are busily compounding.

The “cabal” behind the curtain is not blind, but is wholely unaware of the winds they are sowing for later harvest, such is their arrogance.

katymine @ 21

The funny thing is that they are going to have these mountains of data the size of multiple Everest’s and still unable to find that ONE clue that will save the world…..

But they will have all the data to cow anyone with that tiny secret we all have that might hurt our loved ones.

It’s not about tracking the terra ists, it’s about tracking the dems and dirty tricks . . . and finding more ways to steal us blind.

Tin foil hat—they have no intention of giving up power in 2008-9.

Oh, how much I wish I didn’t fear that the tin foil hat theory may prove to be true. After 2000 and 2004 and now seeing how little difference the 2006 results have made, I’m very worried. I wouldn’t trust any of these unspeakable so-and-so’s to take care of a small child for half an hour. They think they know what’s best for this country and the world and are blind to the terrible damage they have done and are busily compounding.

The really stupid thing is that allowing everybody to have some wealth wouldn’t really prevent the Rich from having what they want.

That all depends on what they want. Seems like they are at the point where they want what we have, because that would prove that they can take it away, and under color of law. And for them, that may be “what they want”.
And John Edwards would be a fine choice, IMO.

RonD @ 117

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If one would like to see the end product of these policies, IMO one need look no farther than Sao Paulo, Brazil, where there is a beautiful, gleaming, modern city, surrounded by countless square miles of cardboard shacks and shantytowns.
This is the end product. A modern feudalism.

Dumb question time.

What will they do with the houses and apts that already exist?

Excellent question!

What will all the corporations do with the houses they repossessed when people defaulted on outrageous mortgages? Who are they going to sell those houses to? How long can they hold them?

Usually they would have to drop the price (as in any marketplace) to the point where people can buy them. Strange they didn’t hink of that before jacking up the ARMs and housing prices. And, when they have to drop the prices their stocks will fall, though they’ll a t least start getting some cash flow.

How much will their stock price fall affect the overall markets? Eh, nobody knows for sure, but I’d bet somebody will make money on it. Market manipulators are not locked into the long past Roaring 20s or the Go Go 60s.

I would like to clarify and expand upon my earlier remarks.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 105

What is the ultimate plan that the GOP and the neocons have?

If one would like to see the end product of these plicies, IMO one need look no farther than Sao Paulo, Brazil, where there is a beautiful, gleaming, modern city, surrounded by countless square miles of cardboard shacks and shantytowns.
This is the end product. A modern feudalism.

Two Americas, owners and slaves (in the extreme case).

The really stupid thing is that allowing everybody to have some wealth wouldn’t really prevent the Rich from having what they want. Their greed is blinding them just as it did during the 1920s. At that time it lead to them vacuuming up all the world’s free wealth and bringing the economy of the world to a virtual standstill. Nice, eh?

John Edwards for President — New Leadership

SnarKassandra @ 65

Thank you Teddy SF.

This stuff also involves the Internet, whereas the wire tapping stuff is more phones and the like (although of course the line with that is a little blurred with stuff like Vonage). I’m understanding “communications” here to include emails, IM’s, and the like, not just phone calls.

Don’t forget, if they can tap a cell phone, then ‘communications’ might not even mean a call or text message. It might just mean they open the line and listen to you in your home or office.

Comverse Insofy and Amdocs are two Israeli based private communications companies that have come under question.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/blackmail.html

IS ISRAEL BLACKMAILING AMERICA?
FOX NEWS SPIKES FOUR PART STORY
ON PHONE TAPPING SCANDAL

“It turns out that Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America;…

As I understand it the plan is to let England or Israel spy on Americans, so our government can get the information from them without directly spying on us. It’s a workaround.

Feel warm and cozy now? Now that you know your government has been spying on you for years via foreign countries?

Who knows what value foreigners have found in listening to American business or government conversations.

Why don’t they just install movie cameras in all of our bedrooms and be done with it?

Our rights are ‘unalienable’. That means we couldn’t even give them up if we wanted.

So, if we were to pretend to give up the right to free speech or freedom of association or freedom to petition government, then doesn’t that necessarily mean we could give up our right of Privacy and our right of Life?

And, if you COULD give up a right, then doesn’t that mean they could take it from you?

There’s a very slippery slope awaiting us if someone begins to suggest we COULD give up a right or that by giving up rights we are somehow safer. That’s Right-Wing propaganda nonsense insanity.

We are safe precisely because we do assert our Rights.

* This bill is being pimped by democratic insiders, e.g., Clinton adviser Jamie Gorelick.

* The attorney general who will certify which transgressions “would have been intended to protect the United States from terrorist attack” will be a respected judge put forward by a respected democratic senator.

The explanation for the corporate-oriented Democrats pimping of this and other surveillance bills may lie in the outsourcing: the data will be gathered and analyzed by private companies like VZ who will then pass their findings on to the respective agencies. Check out the usual suspects: Choicepoint and Verizon. I’ve heard that the contracts will of course be in the billions ( isn’t everything these days?)

So it won’t even be qualified NSA personnel evaluating the data; just some drones at a corporate cube farm somewhere. Which of course means they will continually miss the actual terrorists, if any, and end up bringing members of the Plott and Baum families up on charges.