Hard on the heels of the “Liberals are smarter” study, I ran across this NPR article stating that women are more literate (especially with fiction) than men:
Surveys consistently find that women read more books than men, especially fiction. Explanations abound, from the biological differences between the male and female brains, to the way that boys and girls are introduced to reading at a young age.
One thing is certain: Americans—of either gender—are reading fewer books today than in the past. A poll released last month by The Associated Press and Ipsos, a market-research firm, found that the typical American read only four books last year, and one in four adults read no books at all.
A National Endowment for the Arts report found that only 57 percent of Americans had read a book in 2002 a four percentage-point drop in a decade. Book sales have been flat in recent years and are expected to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
Among avid readers surveyed by the AP, the typical woman read nine books in a year, compared with only five for men. Women read more than men in all categories except for history and biography.
(I’m the weirdo in the group, as I preferred reference books as a child and still like using them to this day. But I digress.)
Some people find this all highly ironic:
By this measure, “chick-lit” would have to include Hemingway and nearly every other novel, observes Lakshmi Chaudhry in the magazine In These Times. “Unlike the gods of the literary establishment who remain predominately male—both as writers and critics—their humble readers are overwhelmingly female.”
A-yup. This has been the case for decades. Just look at the fan fiction community: It’s overwhelmingly female, and has been ever since the 1960s when Star Trek fanfics were being mimeographed and circulated among the hardcore fans. Even the Sherlock Holmes fandom, which has been the home of fan fiction (or “pastiche”) writers for over a century, started out with a high percentage of women members.
And what’s been the default response of the established (and male-dominated) publishing community? To treat them, even those fanfic authors whose works outshine the originals, with utter contempt. Note that in the older, more male-populated Sherlock Holmes fandom — a fandom populated through the decades by prominent male editors and VIPs such as FDR — “pastiche writing” is a respected and honored pastime, whereas the newer and female-dominated fandoms and their fan fictions are considered on a much lower level. (But I digress again.)
However, there is hope for us as a society that reads for pleasure, and it comes from a young boy who wears glasses:
There are exceptions to the fiction gap. More boys than girls have read The Harry Potter series, according to its U.S. publisher, Scholastic. What’s more, Harry Potter made more of an impact on boys’ reading habits. Sixty-one percent agreed with the statement “I didn’t read books for fun before reading Harry Potter,” compared with 41 percent of girls.
For publishers and booksellers, that offers a ray of hope—not only that the fiction gap might not be so insurmountable after all, but also that another, more worrisome gap might also be closing: the age gap. Young people, in general, read less than older people, and that does not bode well for books and the people who love them.
I’m not so sure that people have stopped reading fiction, or literature in general. To judge from the fan fictioneers, many of them are reading it online, not between the covers of a physical book. But there are those of us who still prefer the printed and bound sheaf of paper to the letters glowing on the screen.
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PW!
A new international agreement under the Montreal Protocol reached last night (with even the US is participating, and China coming on board as well) will achieve more in terms of slowing climate change than the Kyoto Protocol. In the most optimistic scenario, the effect of phasing out HCFC chemicals will achieve 2 to 5 times as much as Kyoto. China’s participation may be the biggest achievement of all.
Good morning … it is a cloudy gray day here in Phoenix…
Having a hard time getting my engine going today.
OT:
Harper’s magazine suggests a National Strike starting Nov. 6, 2007 to force impeachment!
Best idea I’ve heard in years.
About gender and reading: Look, we are out slaying three-toed sloths for dinner and defending the cave against saber-toothed tigers. Who has time for reading?
;-)
Are leftists more brilliant? I’m going outback to the pool to pose that question to someone smarter than I.
(part of this comment appeared in the late late night thread)
President Bush claims that he got a B in Economics 101 but he got an A in tax cutting. Hmm on what planet! Frackin Harvard just a rich kid’s diploma mill!
If the war costs 600 billion thats $600,000,000,000 that money has to be paid for. Debt as Milton Friedman said is just a tax defered to a later date.
The American population right now according to the web site said our population is at that time 302,938,097 people http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Divide 302,938,097 into $600,000,000,000 and you get the TAX Bush will have stuck every man women and child with the answer I got was $1,980.60
Now just for fun take 600 billion and divide it by 23,220 which is the price I found online for a high end Prius the answer I got was 25,839,793.18 which would be the number of Priuses we could have bought every American to save oil.
The less demand for oil the lower the price gets plus less money for Ossama from his Saudi oil buddies and the less money Iran has to buy nuclear technology.
please feel free to check my work I barely passed math.
Did everyone disappear?
It’s funny…I love watching fictional movies, but I don’t like reading fiction. When I read, it is for information to try to find out what is really going on in the world. I envy the ability to sit down and read a great fictional book that is so good, you don’t want it to end.
katymine @ 3
Virtual coffee to you! (Speaking of which — must go make some….)
EPU’ed from downstairs, but tangentially relevant here, in response to LS #210 about Reich land Surveillance noting what books people are carrying; MrsCO was so incensed she made a point of carrying the new Naomi Wolf on her trip to Boston this weekend. We are hoping she gets pulled for additional screening.
Good morning PW!
It makes me angry to have to consider what book I carry around an airport. Yay beacon of freedom.
things come undone @ 7
I failed math more times than I can count, but am smart enough to know the four gallons of gas I have used in the last 18 days is saving plenty. I like my bike.
FDL has cut down on my book reading. Time I used to spend on books is now spent here.
LS @ 9
And there’s the other argument to be made against fiction and for non-fiction: There are people, from the romance-novel addicts to the hardcore Trekkies (oops! Trekkers!) and Second Life habitues, who can get so wound up in the fictional worlds that their real-world life suffers.
OT
The Edwards’s knocked it off.
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/…..moveon.php
Do I see the fingerprints of one Jane Hamsher on this???
I’m not so sure that people have stopped reading fiction, or literature in general. To judge from the fan fictioneers, many of them are reading it online, not between the covers of a physical book. But there are those of us who still prefer the printed and bound sheaf of paper to the letters glowing on the screen.
How does this number correlate with the Bush 30%ers? Also how do we know the 30%ers didn’t lie like Bush did about all the books he supposedly read in his book reading contest with Karl Rove?
PeteCO @ 11
Ha! It would be great if everybody would carry the “same book” on their flights. Maybe everyone should carry a copy of the U.S. Constitution. That would leave them scratching their heads, when their computers start kicking that up all over the place!
PeteCO @ 11
Wow. I haven’t been to Christy’s thread yet (I’m a late riser on the weekends), so thanks for passing this on!
Off to the farmers market, but first a quick hug for katymine:
(((((((((((((((katymine)))))))))))))))))!!!!!!!!!!!
katymine @ 8
Not for me. Lahoma is out back.
Phoenix Woman @ 19
Here’s the link:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/22/03315/2255
Wow. Not feeling well and need coffee, but glee that Nov 6 cannot come soon enough. This girl is off to read the article. But, on that topic, I hope some of you saw the Moyers’ piece on Rachel Carson: she could read and write, you know, but a part of the commentary was about the price she paid for what she wrote…but hey, that was long ago in the early ’60s.
Phoenix Woman @ 14
Wait…are you saying the fictional world *isn’t* real?
“And what’s been the default response of the established (and male-dominated) publishing community?”
What are you basing that on? MrsCO has worked in the book industry in many capacities for over 20 years. She is of the opinion that there are typically MORE women than men, and that is why equivalent jobs pay less in publishing than other industries.
As to the gender issue about which is smarter. Lahoma asks who is smarter? Obama or Hillary.
BTW… getting cuppa of the new coffee I bought at Ikea … Swedish coffee interestingly good
Cliff Varnell @ 16
Not the fingerprints, but a post. Jane doesn’t do passive-aggressive behind-the-scenes maneuvering; she says what she means and means what she says, and she’ll let you know right up front about it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 26
Bill.
There would be no questions about the number of people reading if you visit your local library. This month is one big read in the state of California. In my county we are all reading Fahrenheit 451
I think they are both really smart, and both are very rich in a variety of life experiences.
FWIW, being online does cut down on the reading. Another issue that cuts down on the books read is that a lot of my favorite authors over the years are no longer around to write.
That being said, there are still a few authors that are “must reads” for me:
Lawrence Block
Jack Higgins
Anne McCaffrey
Dan Jenkins
to name just a few.
bhatten @ 31
Well then. Perhaps we will end up in ‘08 with Clinton/Obama.
The new book I am reading was recommended by someone…. Oh it was Jane…..”The Cure” as it was prophetically posted just the day after my doc called with the news of a tumor found on kidney
Thanking everyone for the hugs…. the facebook friends :) and will know more as the week goes by…
LS @ 18
That’s a great idea. I have a very nice 3×5 declaration of Independence and Constitution, produced by the Cato Institute.
PeteCO @ 11
Has Naomi Wolf been on FDL’s Book Salon?
I would rather read than eat or have sex! There are so many books I want to read and not enough time in one lifetime to read them. If you’re a non-reader and don’t feel like reading horror (Stephen King turned 60 yesterday) or murder mysteries (which seem to comprise the bulk of fiction these days) try “The Prince of Tides” by Pat Conroy, or “A Prayer for Owen Meany” by John Irving, or even “I Know This Much is True” by Wally Lamb – all riveting stories about everyday people – no monsters, no murders, no CSI. Then delve into “Lonesome Dove” and “Streets of Laredo” by Larry McMurtry (western), or “The Winds of War” and “War and Remembrance” by Herman Wouk (WWII), or “Watership Down” and “The Plague Dogs” by Richard Adams (rabbits and dogs, respectively) … that ought to get you started.
((((((katymine))))))
Prayers, love, and healing energy coming your way.
Harry Potter is the first fiction book Son in Ohio really got into. He was reading by the age of 3, but mostly nonfiction books about his passion du jour. One of the consequences of his Asperger’s Syndrome, we were told, was that he had difficulty “tracking” across a page of text. The Dorling Kindersley books were big favorites, because they were chock full of information, but also had plenty of pictures integrated throughout.
But he picked up Harry Potter and didn’t want to put it down until he was finished.
egregious @ 38
From here too!!
Phoenix Woman @ 28
That’s what I meant. I was referring to the post where she asked Mrs. Edwards to knock it off.
They knocked it off.
h/t to Jane, pardon the inartfullness of my praise.
wigwam @ 36
Not yet, but if you scroll up and look to the right, she will be on 10/14. She’s been doing a lot of media stuff to push the book, which is pretty high in the Amazon rankings, I hear.
Lahoma wants me to name five living, smart Republican woman.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
These days, you can’t be a Republican and be considered smart, so…none.
The book that has been my nighttime reading is “A Year in the World” by Frances Mayes which wrote “Under the Tuscan Sun” where she and her husband travel the world.
It has been wonderful to read her account of travel through Greece. Went to those chapters first and now started at the beginning. So before sleep I have toured Spain and Portugal, hearing about wonderful food and wine, art and antiquities.
Iain Banks.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
Giuliani’s divorcees. That’s five right? ;)
katymine @ 45
That sounds good!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
Can they be former Republican women?
Let me see if I have this sraight. The Bush boys (and girls) are going to try to blame Blackwater for the debauchery which Rove, Cheney, Hughes, Rumsfeld, Rice, among others set in motion?
AP – Iraq’s Interior Ministry has expanded its investigation into incidents involving Blackwater USA security guards amid the furor following a shooting that claimed at least 11 lives, a ministry spokesman said Saturday.
AP – Federal prosecutors are investigating whether employees of the private security firm Blackwater USA illegally smuggled into Iraq weapons that may have been sold on the black market and ended up in the hands of a U.S.-designated terrorist organization, officials said Friday.
Okay…I do like Hemingway, Falkner, and Michener….
Read the Harper’s article and weep. Yes, it is an indictment of us all. The strike should start today…see if anything can get Congressional attention.
PeteCO @ 25
Depends on which level. The very uppermost echelon, per the article cited, is still male-dominated. But yes, when you get down to the levels where the work is actually done, there are a lot more women (and the pay is as you mention).
Laura Bush is presented as being extremely popular. Why?
The art of reading always seems to create fascinating debate. Gender differences are real and young men seem to me much more visual, and more drawn to visual forms of entertainment, than young women which lends observational credence to what was writ above.
However, from more personal and prof. observations, it is important to note that young men in adolescence also learn to dislike reading. I believe this comes mostly from the stories or books they are forced to read in school. And while I am a strong proponent of multicultural educational strategies I find when we read Bram Stokers Dracula, Nye’s version of Beowulf, or Shakespeare’s Macbeth, or other books set with monstrous adventure that young men do read just as interestedly as young women. As far as the Potter world of JK Rowling, well I read the first three and the last one, and while they were imaginatively wonderful ( the Dementors!) there was too much soap opera stuff, really, for me, a man. (And what a terrible epilogue…set in a suburban future!)
But we are not supposed to teach high interest novels or drama: in the NCLB madness/incoherence the school setting has changed and materials are pre-chosen by testing companies and administrators. It is no great wonder that many adolescents, especially curious and eager males trying to figure out their own masculinity, look at reading as ‘boring’…because in many cases it is.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
Blackwater is Bush’s SA.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERsa.htm
LS @ 18
“…And friends they may thinks it’s a movement. And that’s what it is, the Alice’s Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar…”
bhatten @ 52
This morning on Washington Journal, the financial guy Kudlow, was on. A young man from New Hampshire called in and said that he was educated in the tech field. He basically said that because of jobs leaving the country, his salary has dropped by 2/3rds and it is hard to make ends meet. Kudlow told him to “get off your duff, and get a job”….I was floored. A massive strike can accomplish much more right now than the marches, which never get covered. I still believe in marching, but I’m just saying…
OT
I just opened the door to see 13 teenager turkeys walking down the sidewalk and behind them one lone peacock. The peacock is confused.
Is HRC smart? And if so, what are the reasons for this conclusion?
I used to be a huge consumer of books; I’d read at least four a week (am a very fast reader) but then several things happened:
1) Books became much more expensive. Where I used to be happy paying $3 or $4 per paperback, when it jumped to $6+ I had to stop buying so many.
2) Choices became limited. It used to be you could find new authors at mass retailers like Target. Not so much anymore. If you want something other than Stephen King, Dean Koontz, Nora Roberts, or the like, you’re SOL.
3) I found fan fiction and discovered it met a need I didn’t even know I had. (I am speaking of a sub genre of fan fiction known as slash.) Now very little commercial fiction satisfies me because it doesn’t, to be perfectly vulgar, scratch that itch.
OTOH, I am still a paying consumer of non-fiction books. However, I only buy one or two a year. And I happily shell out my $8 for some authors, like Naomi Novik who has a new Tremaire book out next week. (And who, oddly enough, started out writing fan fiction.)
Can’t get an ‘amen’ to that? Whassup?
marymccurnin @ 59
How cute!! I wonder if the peacock egg got in with the turkey eggs…maybe it really thinks it is a turkey! They are going to be really jealous when the tail unfolds!
Cliff Varnell @ 56
“In this hour I was responsible for the fate of the German people, and thereby I become the supreme judge of the German people. I gave the order to shoot the ringleaders in this treason.”
That’s a little discomforting.
PeteCO @ 42
Thanks.
debit @61
there is a chain of used book stores called Half Price books, in Portland there is Powell’s Books and scattered across the country there are shops that are book resellers.
If you are ever in Portland Oregon, Powell’s is a must do, they also have a separate Technical books store which means I usually have to have a extra bag to carry the books home.
Phoenix Woman @ 57
We’ll all have fun sitting on the Group W bench, playing with the pencils…..
9 books a year for high interest readers?? That’s all?? Now I know what’s wrong with me…I can’t imagine not having 2 or 3 books, both fiction and non- going at once! I read a minimum of 9 books a month! How could it have escaped me that this is definitely on the weird side? I mean, ok, so I took the table and chairs out, lined the walls with book shelves and turned my dining room into a library. But still. What on earth is wrong that we aren’t teaching our kids to love reading? I mean readin’ IS the only actual “R” in the “three R’s” !
My wife and I read about the same amount, but she reads almost 100% fiction, all of it what I’d term literature. I think she’s read every short story in New Yorker in the past 25 years.
I read mostly history, but when I read fiction, I like pulp espionage or action conspiracy stuff like Dirk Pitt or the like. The closest I’ve gotten to literary fiction recently were the Sharpe books.
Good think wikipedia wasn’t around when you were a kid, eh, Phoenix Woman?
Ha, ha. Comments at Kos suggest everybody carry copies of My Pet Goat or an Ann Coulter book, while traveling.
How about carrying the Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich on the planes.
apple pie @ 55
“Soap-opera”? In what way?
You would have liked Books Four through Six; much more action, and lots of Angry Adolescent Angst (one of my male friends says the Angry Harry of Book Five was him at that age) leading to actions later regretted.
You should hear the hollering in Potterdom about The Crapilogue, as they call it. It was tacked on and obviously mostly written years ago, back before she’d really learned to write well. If there’d been more of a transitional period between the frankly horrific action of DH and the too-cute-for-words epilogue, it might not have jarred so much. But then again, the action-action-action-where’s-my-damned-Quidditch-scenes people wouldn’t have sat still for (eeek!) more exploration of people’s relationships. (And now I’m hearing in my mind Hermione’s complaint about Ron, that he has “the emotional range of a teaspoon”.)
I don’t know how to link, but if you google(news) the following it will come right up.
Jailed Governor Needs Another Day in Court: Margaret Carlson
The DOJ has refused to turn over the documents for the trial. No reason, no executive privilege, no national security! If anyone needs incentive, Rove is list as the possible man who took Don Siegelman down.
Debit@61-
Support your local independent; Book Sense
will point you in the right direction, and give you links to mail order if there is no-one local. Just don’t shop at Big & Nasty or Borders if you can help it. They are the Walmart of books and are so big they get to dictate the market. It’s very important that small publishers have outlets, to ensure creative diversity. They don’t necessarily get a fair shake at the majors.
PeteCo @64:
You bet. This too:
http://www.sdreader.com/php/cityshow.php?id=1566
The owner of Blackwater has this crazy idea that he and his peeps are the Elect whose souls will pass on to other lives, while common folks like us are Preterite, here today and gone tomorrow in a metaphysical sense.
They are a private Army whose owner has no qualms with killing and smuggling.
That’s also the Bush family business, after all.
US govt collects data on Americans overseas: Washington Post
10 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US government is compiling electronic files on the travel habits of millions of Americans who take trips overseas, The Washington Post reported Saturday.
Citing documents obtained by a civil liberties group and statements by unnamed government officials, the newspaper said the retained data included travel companions, persons with whom Americans plan to stay abroad, the personal items they carry during their journeys, and even the books that travelers have carried.
you need a separate booklist for overseas travel
LS @ 58
Ironic, since Kudlow probably hasn’t done a week’s worth of actual work — either intellectual or physical — his whole effing life.
Cliff Varnell @ 75
Yeah. More “faith based initiatives.” One thing I would adore to see out of all this is a return to separation of church and state. This is ridiculous.
As the bumpersticker says:
GOD, SAVE ME FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS
As an author, I can tell you this is largely because writers are being marketed by corporations as “content providers.” If sales aren’t up to par, that “product” is eliminated. Thus you end up with fewer and fewer authors, and bored readers look elsewhere for entertainment. When that entertainment is available free online, it becomes difficult for career writers to earn a living. A brilliant explanation of this trend can be found in the book, “The Long Tail,” which I suggest you PURCHASE ;).
ooohhh…Naomi Wolfe has a new book out? (lust, lust,lust)
LS @ 70
“My Pet Goat” is brilliant. I submit Al Franken’s “Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them”.
The publishing industry is on the brink of a major change…”print on demand” books and the internet can totally change the way business is done.
There would be no need to invest thousands of dollars in “publishing” an edition of a new book. Online (or local) merchants will print and bind it as ordered- no inventory- and less barriers to being published.
This is just one of the many lowering of entry level barriers that are occuring in business- not deliberately- but as a result of changes in technology and world markets.
A person who can afford to buy one container load of a product- can jump right into that business and compete head to head with the big boys who are also ordering containers of product from asia.
No plants- no patents- no massive warehouses- just a contact with a chinese manufacturer- a small storage center- and a website- and you are in business…
Interesting times coming.
“women are more literate (especially with fiction) than men:”
I knew that… it helps them create the ‘make-believe world’ that they live in.
“Mr. Siegelman, meanwhile, is in the federal prison in Oakdale, La. In a recent note to The Associated Press, he said his case would will eventually be seen as the “Watergate of 2008.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09…..elman.html
I’m a voracious reader, However I rarely read books. I love the political discussions on blogs and I love reading news, analysis and essays.
conniptionfit @ 80
Buy it now!
I’ve read it; it’s very good.
i was with you up to this sentence:
pardon my snobbery, but fanfic doesn’t say “literate” to me. it almost says the opposite.
technically, sure, people have to be able to read and write to copy someone else’s ideas and water them down in their own attempts at story-telling.
and, for a beginner, stealing and copying is a valid way of finding one’s own voice.
but two points raise their ugly heads in my mind when i read that.
firstly, fan fiction, to me, is rather like watching little kids play house (or store or police or whatever)…they are merely aping what they see grown ups do, but they aren’t really living it.
fan fic is a sophomoric attempt to write without any of the hard work of creating. it’s easy to take someone else’s world (and beleive me, as a writer, that’s the hard part…creating the world and the fully-realized characters…the plot is secondardy).
unless someone graduates beyond fan faction, i wouldn’t necessarily call them literate, except in the literal sense. yes, they can read. yes, they read books and enjoy them. but are they particularly imaginative? i would submit that stealing ideas says they are not.
want to tell me you’re literate? write your own story! the end!
sorry kids, not a fan of fan fic.
also, the reason the underground star trek fan fic was created and enjoyed pre-dominantly by women in the 60’s was that those stories were mostly homo-erotic tales of spock and kirk having sex, which turned the ladies on.
i do agree, tho, that liberals are smarter than conservatives, and i would not be surprised to learn that women are more literate than men, even if you discount fan fiction.
but i agree with apple pie @ 55, that a lot of that may be due to what boys are forced to read when developing reading skills.
PW- Have you heard the Potter books done on tape by Jim Dale? They are the most wonderful things imagiable! We got the first 2 when the kids were small for a long car trip- and we never once heard the dread words “Are we there YET?” Since then my kids have “outgrown” Potter, but I’M still listening to every installment since. Jim and Harry are my lullaby of choice on those nights when insomnia strikes!
rwcole @ 82
All of which is true, but you still need talent and content, which has to be discovered and developed. Self-published authors don’t tend to sell many books.
Sandman @ 73
HuffPost has it, right here.
To make a link in FDL:
1) Go to webpage to which you wish to link.
2) Copy URL for webpage.
3) Scoot on over to FDL.
4) In the FDL comments box, type in something like “Here’s this neat link about how Siegelman got railroaded”.
5) With your cursor, highlight the words you just typed that you want to make into a link (say, “Here’s this neat link”).
6) Click the “LINK” button at the top of the comment text box.
7) Paste the URL in the URL box that appears (you’ll probably have to remove the “http://” that’s already in there or else you’ll end up with two https at the front of the URL, which will keep it from working).
8) Hit the “Preview” button at the bottom of the comments text box, and make any needed changes.
9) Hit “Submit Comment”.
10) Marvel at the glory of the finished product:
Here’s this neat link on how Siegelman got railroaded.
Republicans, Democrats are wired differently
Everyone reading a newspaper account of the statements of the Bush administration is reading fiction.
Was that included?
albert fall @ 92
Good one!
“I’m the weirdo in the group, as I preferred reference books as a child and still like using them to this day. But I digress.)”
Nice to meet a fellow weirdo…
-MS
Balzar @ 83
Mmeeeeow! ;x)
albert fall @ 92
Touché!
OT – holy shit, the ghosts of christmas past, present and future visited San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders. Woah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
Phoenix Woman @ 95
I want you to define that ‘make believe world’ please.
Phoenix Woman @ 72
Well, by soap opera I meant that the long-running relationships become almost incestuous, but hey that’s just my opinion. I really enjoyed the books and have encouraged students to read them…I think I probly brought at least ten copies of the first two and just gave them to poor kids who loved reading and my classroom copies have become so dog-eared that they are ready for recycling…
I was just trying to make the case for boys need of adventure…(so please don’t hit me with any Cruciatus spells or anything ;)
And I completely agree with the comments that the ongoing corporatization and de facto destruction of the US book publishing world will further limit reading choices for those who do read.
Looks like the Iraqi Gov’t is bringing charges against Blackwater…
Michael in Park Slope @ 94
When I was 4 Mom would put me in for a nap, but as soon as the door closed I would start reading the dictionary.
Skippy@87
I dunno, I think the current series of “Star Wars” novels are quite well done. I know it’s pop culture and not ‘literate’ in the classical sense, but I’ve enjoyed how some very good writers have taken shell that George Lucas created and fleshed it out.
I love the idea of self publishing. I may end up as broke as Dickens, but what I’ve had to say has been seen in dozens of countries, by thousands of people.
PeteCO @ 86
Thanks Pete! Just ordered it!
Thank you for the article. I speak here not as a political candidate, but as an author of both fiction and non-fiction. I have noticed a real difference between American reading habits and those of other nations. We seem to read far less, and seem to be less prone to discuss what we read.
I wrote a novel which was published a couple of years ago by a small house in England. When it was sent out for reviews, New Books Magazine sent it to reading groups whose task it is to review new works and to write reviews both as a group and as individuals. I had never heard of reading groups, but it struck me that the existence of them and the fact that they review literature speaks to a much greater involvement with literacy.
My educational contacts in Russia reveal similar things: that is, a greater involvement in literature than here in the USA.
Perhaps our lack of involvement is in part responsible for our gullibility and apathy on the political front. I get the feeling that the two are somehow related.
egregious @ 100
I used to read under the covers to the light of my electric blanket control… ;)
Still remember finishing Scarlet O’Hara at 3am as a young teen by the light of that blanket control
StarCraft VO @ 79:
Thanks for the book rec. However, I am puzzled at being admonished to purchase it; reading fan fiction does not equal pirating printed material.
debit @ 105:
No admonishment–just helping to support a fellow author!
marymccurnin @ 98
It’s the world where’s he’s not able to lift up his 4 Sword of Puissant Wonderfulness and have women automatically fall at his studly feet. ;-)
conniptionfit @ 80
I’m sorry; know this is gonna make me unpopular on this thread but I gotta say it. Naomi Wolf was in my college class. In real life, she’s a narcissistic, hair tossing twit.
But, maybe her books ARE good. I wouldn’t know.
egregious @ 100
It was biographies and the encyclopedia that were my gateway drugs
I bought The Israel Lobby last Thursday. I was going to wait until I finished reading Team of Rivals before I started on it, but while I was having crackers and milk before bed last night, I started reading TIL. Incredibly detailed and authoritative, hard to put down.
I was busted in Chem class in high school for reading Viktor Frankl’s book Man’s Search for Meaning. They couldn’t figure out what to do with me when I got to the office.
oddmommy @ 108
Hey! I was a narcissistic, hair tossing twit! I grew up. Maybe Naomi did too.
ot – Iraq war budget jumps for 2008
If Bush’s spending request is approved, 2008 will be the most expensive year of the Iraq war.
egregious,
I went to a talk given by Diane Benson’s opponent, Jake Metcalfe, yesterday evening. When asked by an elderly woman why last year, when Metcalfe was state Dem Party Chair, the party had given so little support to Benson, he answered – I paraphrase – because Rahm Emanuel told him not to. Ouch!
Dr. Steven Porter @ 104
Nice to see you here at the Lake!
The Russians absolutely read more, but I wonder if that’s because they haven’t been allowed to do much of anything else. Will be interesting to see if this holds up in another decade or so.
Blender @ 97
wow! that really is something! maybe he should run for governer!
Best new fiction I read recently was A Handbook To Luck by Cristina Garcia. She writes beautifully about the magic of existence in a world full of contradictions and strangeness. This novel re-awoke in me a sense of wonder. The sense, that given the nastiness of the modern world and wars and corruption, I had sadly forgotten. Chris Albani is another new important writer.
New York magazine in their June (?) 07 edition had a list on 100 great new novelists that no one will ever read.
Ed*ard Teller @ 115
Let’s fix that, shall we? Blue Alaska!
conniptionfit @ 113
maybe….but a couple of years back she made a total ass of herself by filing a sexual harrassment charge against a professor for supposedly putting his hand on her thigh 20 years ago.
And please, don’t jump on me, I am not condoning sexual harrassment. But if someone like Naomi Wolf had been harrassed, it wouldn’t have taken her 20 years to say so.
Dr. Steven Porter @ 103
These days it’s difficult to find time to read. When I lived in London, I would read on the train. So did most other people, be it books or newspapers. I suspect that’s a major difference between here and Europe.
PeteCO @ 121
Another good reason to support mass transit.
katymine @ 105
I once convinced my mom to let me stay awake until I finished my glass of water.
She came in a few hours later to find me reading. When she yelled at me, I responded that I hadn’t finished my water.
Why yes, I was her first child. Why do you ask? ;-)
Does anyone know what the statistics would be if we eliminated fat white men who have gun racks in their pickup trucks?
conniptionfit @ 112
Conniptionfit; You’re in Denver (Littleton?) if I remember correctly. She’s doing a book signing at one of the Tattered Cover stores (LoDo, I think) and also the Boulder Bookstore sometime next month. We’ll have an opportunity to verify or disprove hair-tossing twittery once and for all!
egregious,
We have many Russian and Ukrainian immigrants in our area, north of Anchorage. The ones with Orthodox, Catholic and agnostic backgrounds are voracious readers – in their native languages and in English. The Evangelical and Charismatic Christians among them, read very little.
One Russian woman, one of Ms. ET’s best friends, from a professional family in Moscow, goes book shopping whenever she goes back to Russia, or at Russian bookstores in BC or the lower 48 (like Znanie’s (sp?)) in San Francisco. She goes to poetry slams every chance she gets.
Carl from L.A. @ 124
Hey, Get off my lawn!
I have read a semi full. No kidding. Found the library in junior high and have done a minimum of three a week for 40 years. I have a wide range of reading interests and find history and old authors a major plus. Used books stores are the only way to feed my addiction. There are a bunch and some are pretty good. I think the new book stores are all chains and some dork at headquarters decides what goes on the shelves not the demand of the consumers. Just another wonderful side effect of unrestrained capitalism. Or maybe the brainwashing of the public is everywhere.
Carl from L.A. @ 124
They read. I saw a copy of Cabela’s Catalog for Dummies on the seat of a big Dodge Ram PU last week…
marymccurnin @ 121
Which is why they don’t. It’s much easier to brainwash people when they are separated from each other in their cars, with only talk radio for company. You can dehumanise brown people far more effectively when those you are brainwashing don’t ever interact with them.
P.S. I thought it never rained in California.
I haven’t read a book of fiction in 30 years but I read at least two books per month on subjects ranging from economics to history and politics. My wife reads almost entirely fiction. She likes to escape while I am trying to figure the world out.
“Avid readers” who read between nine and five books a year? WTF?
By that standard, Dubya is a bibliophile of brobdingnagian proportions. How absurd.
What do they call people like me, my wife, and everyone in my family, all of whom read perhaps 2-300 books a year (not counting kids’ books and reference works)? Oh, right. “Liberals.”
My 99-year-old aunt once said, apropos of some mundane purchase, “well, it’s not essential, like books or food.” (Note which item came first. She’s still sharp as a tack; I wish I could get her online, but it ain’t gonna happen.)
Mark @ 131
It’s beautiful rain the SF Bay area this morning. I love rainy days – great reading time.
Twain @ 134
what is this foreign substance falling from the heavens?
Mark @ 131
Oh it does from time to time. Just often enough to remind us that wet stuff comes out of the sky as well as the tap…
punaise @ 135
Isn’t it great ! I was starting to feel as if we had not had rain in years. Sweater time !
peanutbutter @ 136
Ha!
But later in the song it goes
“Man, it pours.”
And, what a lovely respite from the long hot days we’ve had here. A fire in the fireplace last night and I threatened to spend all day in bed reading.
But, here I am.
Twain @ 137
youth soccer games in Oakland cancelled. games east of the tunnel (Contra Costa) are on, however.
punaise @ 139
Just think, Pun – you could be living in sunny… Antioch right now.
Did this study exclude Bush and his 87 books so far this year?
I crawled out of a snow bank in Minnesota in 85 and have been enduring that wild California weather ever since. Why do we have a weather report on the news? The childhood farmer in me always likes the rain. When it rained I could sleep in and eat and read.
Shrubco forced Mattel executives to apologize the Chinese government.
I wonder how much they have given to moveon.org
WarrenS @ 133
I believe you, “ain’t gonna happen,” but…. what if you set something up with limited options so less to overwhelm her at first.
WarrenS @ 133
It seems absurd to believe that Bush reads as much as he claims. It’s most likely yet another lie to bolster his fictitious image, an image that’s been puntured recently by Vincente Fox’s revelations.
I get all of my books at the local thrift shop. (Most of my clothes, too.)
49 cents for paperbacks and a buck 99 for hards. I found two of the books Robert mentioned above: A Prayer for Owen Meany and I Know This Much Is True. Both outstanding works.
I’m also one of those people who as a child read under the blanket at night.
OldCoastie @ 117
I’m still stunned after watching the video of the press conference and checking out the news stories. Dunno about Governor, but he’s announced that he’s running for re-election as mayor – and you can bet the hate machine has already begun to organize to crush him.
newtonusr @ 140
I was going to say something about Tauscherland but figured that would not be nice.
Badwater @ 145
It seems absurd to believe that Bush reads as much as he claims. It’s most likely yet another lie to bolster his fictitious image, an image that’s been puntured recently by Vincente Fox’s revelations.
Why ever would you reach that conclusion?
Carl from L.A. @ 124
Annecdotal evidence only, but I am seeing “Impeach Bush” stickers on pickup trucks now.
PeteCO @ 149
Because anyone who read even a small percentage of what he claims would be a better speaker.
suggested reading for W: Crime and Punishment
“I’m still stunned after watching the video of the press conference and checking out the news stories. Dunno about Governor, but he’s announced that he’s running for re-election as mayor – and you can bet the hate machine has already begun to organize to crush him.”
there already is another r in the race who is quite the rightwinger
punaise @ 152
Speaking as an atheist, the Sermon on the Mount wouldn’t hurt, either. I wonder if he knows it?
demi @ 146
I used to do that too! My mother would get the flashlight for something, and somehow, the batteries would always be dead…I’m a huge fan of library sales, as well. A grocery bag of books for a couple bucks…biught over a hundred books in the last year from library sales.
I read a great deal, always have and barely ever read fiction.
Well.. except for the National Review , Weekly Standard and Judy Miller’s reporting before the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq.
My mother would get the flashlight for something, and somehow, the batteries would always be dead…
What a hoot!
PW,
You wrote,
I read almost all of the Sherlock Holmes stories as a teenager. About 10 years ago, I re-read one of those stories with one object in mind: to look at his relationship with women. My conclusion was that Sherlock Holmes contributed to my social retardation! At a time when I badly needed to learn social skills, and was a very awkward dater (what few dates I had), Sherlock Holmes provided a poor role model.
Alas, I cannot blame my retarded social development exclusively on Sir Arthur; in previous years, I devoured with equal passion the series of books about Freddy the Pig. This series has achieved modest acclaim and good reviews, and now even has a website undreamed of when I was a child. Not much there for an adolescent boy to learn about social skills with the other sex.
I read many more books as a teenager than I do now; but I read a lot online, including here at FDL!
Bob in HI
I’ve read about 450 of TRex’s Late Nite posts…does that count?
Yes. Women read lots of Nora Roberts books, Danielle Steele, and other romance novels.
Was that counted as “reading”?
Howie is upstairs.
5 years ago my parents ‘downsized’ and moved from a very large old house to a ‘moderate’ sized one story house. I hauled something like 25 boxes (boxes that the reams of paper come in) to the library for donation. Most of those books were probably bought at the yearly library book sale!!! We still hauled 20, or more, boxes of books to the new house. Mom’s parents wouldn’t allow the purchase of books. It was a waste of money (they were of the Depression Era). So, when Mom left their home…she started buying books.
We don’t need our library cards for the city library because they all know who we are. But, with their new checkout system, we do need them.
I didn’t need to use a flashlight under the blankets… reading was encouraged by both my parents. But, they did argue for turning the lights out at a reasonable time on school nights. When I was bored, I go to the library, just to see what was there. I read mostly fiction now (McCaffrey, Kurtz, Lackely, Brooks, Jordan, Anthony, etc). But, I do enjoy some biographies and most definitely Architectural history (I have a couple hundred arch history/historic pres/arch engineering books on my shelves now).
apple pie @ 99
I was just trying to make the case for boys need of adventure…(so please don’t hit me with any Cruciatus spells or anything ;)
No problem! Adventure is good, or it can be in the right hands. I read more than my share of Sherlock Holmes as a kid.
punaise @ 159
It does with me!
Cliff Varnell @ 41
No probs, Cliff! Didn’t mean to sound as if I was picking on you.
Austin, TX has one of the best independent book stores; BookPeople. Bill Clinton was just there for a signing. Stillwater, MN has a great used bookstore, Loomis, I think: all subjects, but esp. good for philosophy and theology. The libraries often do alot of resale, also.
Sam Bennett is with Howie in Blue America, upstairs.
debit @ 61
There’s a lot of dross in fanfiction, but that’s very easy to avoid thanks to the summaries written by the author. It doesn’t take a very long Author’s Summary to show whether the author’s worth reading.
The whole slash field is interesting. Women fanficcers generally write male/male slash (and very little femmeslash in comparison), which I find to be the literary equivalent of the male fascination with two women getting it on, sort of Jungian in its way. It’s also women writing about guys as if guys were women, and reacted as women do emotionally (I’ve shown male/male slashfics to gay men, and they tend to burst out laughing or shake their heads.)
ooh, ooh, ooh….this could be big, big, big…it is a scandal maybe bigger than Watergate!! We need to find out more. It is about DOJ/Clinton/Edwards/spying on their base, etc.:
http://dailykos.com/story/2007/9/22/1151/98789
Ed*ard Teller @ 69
Heh! I’d be typing this using Braille because I’d have been online so much my eyeballs would have shriveled up.
albert fall @ 150
Just got off the main drag that leads to our local strip mall and farmers market with our “Give Impeachment a Chance,Impeach Cheney and Bring the troops home” signs. The reactions is 20 positive to 1 negative. Lots of thumbs up, honking, hooting, nods and smiles. The older gents and ladies are especially fond of the “give Impeachment a chance” signs.
The folks who do give us the finger, tell us to “got to hell”, or yell “defend your country” we yelled back “we are”. These folks are generally very very aggressive. We just smile and give them the peace sign.
I am doing this action every weekend with a group of friends that protested the invasion and war (based on what we were hearing from expert after expert) before the invasion, we know the numbers of people against this immoral war have grown since then. All of us had travelled to D.C. and New York numerous times both before and after the invasion to the larger marches which are great and help a persons spirit. We have decided that it seems far more effective to stay at home and protest locally.
May I suggest that you try it in your community, it feels productive!
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Kucinich has been brave enough to bring up Impeachment over and over again . When you hear a Republican bring it up in regard to a Republican President…something has shited.
Senator Hagel has several times
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..-monarchy/
albert fall @ 150
Lots of thumbs up to our “Impeach” signs today from guys in pick up trucks. Lots!
twolf1 @ 100
Oooh! Glad that they’re actually trying something!
skippy @ 87
Wondering if the Iraq action against Blackwater may be the surge to get us out of there. W will not like for his guys to be mistreated or held accountable. The irony here would be lovely. Maybe Iraq would like to see W and Shooter and Rummy and Rice at The Hague.
This is a great thread this morning. Thank
My book club just read On the Road (its 50 Anniversary). A bunch of mostly Sr. Citizens reflecting on the 50s becoming the 60s. Really fun. I recommend the read; such a view of those times.
newtonusr @ 140
Or in sunny, dry Fort Bragg (CA)and be worrying about your well, right now. Actually, cloudy FB, with phantom predictions of Rain. (Rain Dance, Rain Dance, Rain Dance).
Good Lord. So-called “avid readers” among men read only 5 books a year? I’ve read at least 5 books in the past 4 weeks, and that’s on the low side for me (that’s about how long it’s been since my semester started, so I’ve had quite a bit of other activities consuming my attention).
Book sales have been flat in recent years and are expected to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
that’s because Americans are spending more and more time blogging on the intertubes.
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Daaam, I was very disappointed in myself when my yearly total for this year (sept. 9 to sept. 9 –don’t ask) was only 109. It is all this blog reading on the interwebs. I long ago found out this about fiction. It can really open your mind. SF in my teen years made me so aware of what COULD be. It also allows you to be in other people’s minds and find out what other people might think, feel, etc. People’s reactions are often unfathonable in real life, but authors can put you in other people’s minds. I read both fiction and non-fiction, so do my daughters. My sons, raised the same way, read much less, though when they do it is good stuff. My husband read a lot when younger but nowadays reads only before bed…..does this say anything about boys and girls? Who knows.
PoliShifter @ 160
You mean like men’s romance novels, the ones written by Tom Clancy and Clive Cussler and the late Barry Sadler? (Though really, the Casca series by Sadler was some kick-ass stuff for that genre. It verged on real literature at times.)
Liberals are also better looking. Turn the volume off on your TV and see if you cannot identify the affiliation of the talking heads by looks.
Nine books a year is considered “an avid reader”? . . . . .