zedelicious!

Pray for Louisiana!

Bingo?

It’s a wonderful group, I’ve been following them for a while.

Jane!

Coulda got the zed, but dallied to read first!

Anyway, good topic, Jane! After all the news about how the Bush administration has gutted the Civil Rights Division, the scene in Jena makes the perfect bookend for a reality check on what’s happening in Amerika today.

Bob in HI

Anyway, I think this is one of the winds of change blowing here. This is a sort of viral civil rights organizing, from the ground up. Non heirarchical, instantaneous, focused. I’m pretty excited to see this sort of thing.

Bravo!

CNN has a ludicrous video with a headline about a “white backlash” against the Jena demonstrations. Like the rednecks have been quiet and all of a sudden were galvinized by the demonstration to come out of the woodwork.

Find it hard to believe hanging nooses on the “white” tree after it was visited by blacks for the first time doesn’t violate some Louisiana (or federal) law.

Jonathan @ 10

Find it hard to believe hanging nooses on the “white” tree after it was visited by blacks for the first time doesn’t violate some Louisiana (or federal) law.

In “normal” parts of the country maybe, but prol’ly not Louisiana. And with the ludicrous supreme court rulings on race and segregation, not under the current admin either.

Thanks for focusing on the Jena 6 Jane. The march sounds like it was inspiring to so many.

Amy Goodmans coverage of the situation in Jena has been amazing (amy is so committed to Justice). On Friday she spent almost the whole hour on what was taking place and on the history of the case.

Worth it to watch the whole hour
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…../21/158211

In Democracy Now’s archives you can watch the last several weeks (she went down to Jena last year so there are also shows from last year) of Amy’s coverage of the Jena 6

FDL, Democracy Now, The Last Hurrah etc. provide hope for those interested in truth, justice and peace. Thank Thank you!

dakine01 @ 9

CNN has a ludicrous video with a headline about a “white backlash” against the Jena demonstrations. Like the rednecks have been quiet and all of a sudden were galvinized by the demonstration to come out of the woodwork.

You should go listen to that Democracy Now posted above and hear what David Duke has to say.

Apparently, they found 4 nooses on a tree at a high school in North Carolina also. The report is from an “NBC” affiliate, but has no real details…in fact, most of the reports about this are from TV media, including Fox:

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlant…..-0003.html

Kathleen @ 13

dakine01 @ 9

CNN has a ludicrous video with a headline about a “white backlash” against the Jena demonstrations. Like the rednecks have been quiet and all of a sudden were galvinized by the demonstration to come out of the woodwork.

You should go listen to that Democracy Now posted above and hear what David Duke has to say.

No need. Last time I listened to anythning David duke had to say was over thirty years ago when he used to appear on a Nashville talk show “Sundays with Siegel” hosted by a man named Stanley Siegel. He’d have Duke on just for jokes I think and as a foil. David Duke was then and still is an idiot.

Has Senator Vitter commented on the Jena 6 yet?

Oh…excuse me Senator. Didn’t mean to disturb you and the “lady”. Nice diaper! And you say with a twist of the wrist, it can be worn over the head?

My, my…what will those inventive Repugs think of next.

I had no idea (before watching) Amy’s program that the DA who determined that the white kids who hung the nooses could not be tried for “hate crimes” (they were not punished) because they were underage is the very same DA who determined that Micheal Byell could be tried as an adult for beating up the young white man.

When Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton went into visit Micheal he was in leg shackles and handcuffs.

Makes you really think about how many prisoners are stuck in jail based on poverty and racism.

SF Chronicle article about Color of Change, in today’s paper:

James Rucker started receiving e-mails about racial tension in Jena, La., in June. He was skeptical at first; Color of Change, his 2-year-old online activist organization, hears about many incidents alleging racial injustice.

If the San Francisco organization was going to be the “black MoveOn,” as former MoveOn.org organizer Rucker envisioned it, Color of Change would have to champion stories of the black experience that had universal appeal. In early July, he visited the 3,000-person Louisiana town, and met with families of five of the Jena Six – teenagers charged in the beating of a white classmate.

The story of “everyday racism” that Rucker found not only resonated with the organization’s then-100,000 members – who have raised $170,000 for the teens’ defense fund over the past two months – but inspired Color of Change members to spread the story that most of the white-dominated mainstream media had passed over. In doing so, it has tripled its membership.

As part of a loose coalition of bloggers, black radio hosts and activists that helped rally 20,000 people to demonstrate in Jena this week, Color of Change is bridging the gap between civil rights activists and the predominantly white liberal blogosphere and mainstream media.

my bold.

Howdy ‘pups. Been out of pocket for a while now, and am glad to be back. I was fuanlly able to get a new laptop and my wireless network set up in the new apartment.

Thanks, Jane, for all you do. I’ve really missed the Lake

Kathleen @ 13

dakine01 @ 9

CNN has a ludicrous video with a headline about a “white backlash” against the Jena demonstrations. Like the rednecks have been quiet and all of a sudden were galvinized by the demonstration to come out of the woodwork.

You should go listen to that Democracy Now posted above and hear what David Duke has to say.

“rednecks” is a derogatory term. People are far too comfortable using it.

Hey Jane,

In my neck of the woods, Bonnie Erbe’s “To the Contrary” show on PBS is on every Sunday morning. Does that mean we’ll get to see you there tomorrow?

we just need to get the unions involved in that coalition and it will be unstoppable. Like Mike Hart.

Kathleen @ 20

Kathleen @ 13

You should go listen to that Democracy Now posted above and hear what David Duke has to say.

“rednecks” is a derogatory term. People are far too comfortable using it.

Being a Southern born and raised WM, I have known way too many rednecks; most of whom admit that they’re rednecks. It is far from being the most pejorative term I could have used believe me.

Kathleen-
How so? I’ve never thought that redneck was derogatory

Check out this story from Austin, TX:

http://www.news8austin.com/con…..rID=190012

Also, this one:

http://www.news8austin.com/con…..rID=192358

Let’s see, Jena’s how far north of Baton Rouge…140 miles give or take.

Yup. Probably the only thing that’ll break up a legal logjam like this one that far upstate is Gov. Blanco’s intervention, alright. Thanks for the link to let her know, Jane.

I live in Appalachia. I have witnessed University folk and lots of young folk in these parts use “redneck” in a way that is demeaning and hurtful. For a long time no one would even talk about this because lots of folks use the term and it is so widely accepted by people who do not consider themselves “rednecks”.

There have been a few meetings (very few) in our schools and young people in the area that are from coal mining families, etc. and others have shared that they think people are far too comfortable using it in ways that are not supportive.

I have no idea how the word got here but there were a good two dozen folks out in front of the Chester County courthouse here in PA on Thurs. in their black clothes with signs. It was good to see them—black and white together—educating the passers-by.

“stealing” the national spotlight? That was an odd way for a broadcaster to describe the national spotlight being directed a particular way.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..6003.story

Racisam is insidious. Whether it’s here (the U.S.), or in Palestine (”Palestine: Not Apartheid”) or Iraq.

AP – Iraqi investigators have a videotape that shows Blackwater USA guards opened fire against civilians without provocation in an incident last week in which 11 people died, a senior Iraqi official said Saturday. He said the case had been referred to the Iraqi judiciary.

In small towns in Alaska, the hippies call the rednecks “rednecks,” and the rednecks call the hippies “hippies.” The terms are interchangable with “liberal” and “conservative” in some coastal fishing towns, and have been for over 30 years. They’re used rather casually in those places, and I’ve never seen anyone challenge the terms, unless you call a redneck a “hippie,” for instance.

Kathleen @ 27

I live in Appalachia. I have witnessed University folk and lots of young folk in these parts use “redneck” in a way that is demeaning and hurtful. For a long time no one would even talk about this because lots of folks use the term and it is so widely accepted by people who do not consider themselves “rednecks”.

There have been a few meetings (very few) in our schools and young people in the area that are from coal mining families, etc. and others have shared that they think people are far too comfortable using it in ways that are not supportive.

I still don’t get it. I lived with a Mexican National who was raised in the Permian basin. He was a total redneck. I’ve always just seen it as an outdoors oriented person. Yeah there are stereotypes attached to it, pickup truck with a gun rack, etc. (he had those), but I don’t see the pejorative aspect

And racism is found all over America. It is hardly confined to the south.

color of change petition
http://colorofchange.org/jena/

Oklahoma kiddo @ 30

Racisam is insidious. Whether it’s here (the U.S.), or in Palestine (”Palestine: Not Apartheid”) or Iraq.

AP – Iraqi investigators have a videotape that shows Blackwater USA guards opened fire against civilians without provocation in an incident last week in which 11 people died, a senior Iraqi official said Saturday. He said the case had been referred to the Iraqi judiciary.

Ha! Good. Also, Mitt Romney must be squirming about all of this, since the head of his counterterrorism taskforce is Cofer Black, Vice Chairman of Blackwater – not to mention the weapons Blackwater was allegedly smuggling and selling to the PKK.

Micheal still not released
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law…..ref=rss_us

Color of Change does great work and their action alerts are really well done … (plus I love their tshirts!)

They sure deserve our applause and our support.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 30

Racisam is insidious. Whether it’s here (the U.S.), or in Palestine (”Palestine: Not Apartheid”) or Iraq.

AP – Iraqi investigators have a videotape that shows Blackwater USA guards opened fire against civilians without provocation in an incident last week in which 11 people died, a senior Iraqi official said Saturday. He said the case had been referred to the Iraqi judiciary.

Such a good point. Somehow the Iraqi people are not flesh and blood to Americans. 1 million dead, who knows how many injured, 4 million refugees…Most Americans could care less. Frightening

New York’s ex-mayor Giuliani leaves a legacy of corruption and racism

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2…..-m24.shtml

Article by Amy Goodman
http://www.truthdig.com/report…..louisiana/

Mychal Bell was convicted by an all-white jury. His court-appointed defense attorney called no witnesses. Bell will be sentenced on July 31; he faces a possible 22 years. The remaining five teens, several of whom were jailed for months, unable to make bail, still face second-degree attempted murder charges and a hundred years each in prison.

Flaherty, who grew up in New Orleans, sums up the case of the Jena Six: “I don’t think there is anyone around that would doubt that if this had been a fight between black students or a fight of white students beating up a black student, you would never be seeing this. It’s completely about race. It’s completely about two systems of justice.”

kathleen at 27 says-”I live in Appalachia. I have witnessed University folk and lots of young folk in these parts use “redneck” in a way that is demeaning and hurtful. For a long time no one would even talk about this because lots of folks use the term and it is so widely accepted by people who do not consider themselves “rednecks”.
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shows what they know—the term around here is ‘briar’, not redneck…….i’ve never heard anyone called a redneck, except someone who was, and they liked it……….
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There have been a few meetings (very few) in our schools and young people in the area that are from coal mining families, etc. and others have shared that they think people are far too comfortable using it in ways that are not supportive.”
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never heard any of this, again, the word around here is ‘briar’……..and people use it as a term amongst themselves, not derogatory…….they laugh at people using the term in a derogatory way……means you’re ‘country’ and they’re proud of being self-sufficient country ‘folk’…….

i’ve never heard of anyone complaining about being called a redneck, never.

Wil @ 24

Kathleen-
How so? I’ve never thought that redneck was derogatory

Was just thinking the same thing Wil.

Its like the word “Liberal”, which the far right (with the help of the media) has turned into a dirty word to the point that we now call ourselves Progressives.

The term “Redneck” used to refer to those people who worked by the sweat of their brow out in the sun, hense the red sun tanned neck. Farmers, painters, construction workers, could proudly call themselves redneck.

Maybe its just me but I would like to take back the identity of the Democratic party.

I proudly call myself a Liberal, and my other half is a Redneck, being both a farmer in the past and a contractor presently.

Neither Redneck or Liberal is a dirty word!

I suspect rednecks and hippies would agree on more things than they realize.

Repubs exploit perceived or imagined but not really deep divisions in order to whip up hate and thereby garner votes.

dmac @ 41

kathleen at 27 says-”I live in Appalachia. I have witnessed University folk and lots of young folk in these parts use “redneck” in a way that is demeaning and hurtful. For a long time no one would even talk about this because lots of folks use the term and it is so widely accepted by people who do not consider themselves “rednecks”.
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shows what they know—the term around here is ‘briar’, not redneck…….i’ve never heard anyone called a redneck, except someone who was, and they liked it……….
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There have been a few meetings (very few) in our schools and young people in the area that are from coal mining families, etc. and others have shared that they think people are far too comfortable using it in ways that are not supportive.”
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never heard any of this, again, the word around here is ‘briar’……..and people use it as a term amongst themselves, not derogatory…….they laugh at people using the term in a derogatory way……means you’re ‘country’ and they’re proud of being self-sufficient country ‘folk’…….

i’ve never heard of anyone complaining about being called a redneck, never.

That was kinda my point, as well. My grandparents (SE Ohio) used “Briar” as a derogatory term, but redneck was always just country folk

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1900169/posts
?page=315

Two arrested in noose incident near Jena, Louisiana
CNN
09/21/2007

ALEXANDRIA, Louisiana (CNN) — Authorities in Alexandria, Louisiana, arrested two people after nooses were seen hanging from the back of a red pickup Thursday night, the city’s mayor told CNN.

dmac @ 41

kathleen at 27 says-”I live in Appalachia. I have witnessed University folk and lots of young folk in these parts use “redneck” in a way that is demeaning and hurtful. For a long time no one would even talk about this because lots of folks use the term and it is so widely accepted by people who do not consider themselves “rednecks”.
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because it is so commonly used. Have you ever asked?
shows what they know—the term around here is ‘briar’, not redneck…….i’ve never heard anyone called a redneck, except someone who was, and they liked it……….
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There have been a few meetings (very few) in our schools and young people in the area that are from coal mining families, etc. and others have shared that they think people are far too comfortable using it in ways that are not supportive.”
===============

never heard any of this, again, the word around here is ‘briar’……..and people use it as a term amongst themselves, not derogatory…….they laugh at people using the term in a derogatory way……means you’re ‘country’ and they’re proud of being self-sufficient country ‘folk’…….

i’ve never heard of anyone complaining about being called a redneck, never.

This is a good diary about what “really” happened during the Blackwater attack:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/22/133951/803

Dmac have you ever asked anyone?

Want to sample racism? Move to L.A., Cali.

EPU’d from yesterday –

Ed*ard Teller @ 20

Yesterday, driving home from Anchorage, I listened to Michael Savage rant and shout about how those young men deserved to be – yep, hanged! Along with Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and – he somehow fit this guy into Jena – Mahmoud Ahmenidejad…

How many corporations that advertise on the Michael Savage show endorse this kind of hate speech?

I think that his sponsors would respond the same way they did for the Imus outrage — and Michael Savage would be off the air almost as quick.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 49

Want to sample racism? Move to L.A., Cali.

Phoenix AZ is the most racist I’ve experienced. My ex was told that “spics” had their own mall at the Scottsdale Mall

Or South, Florida.

Kathleen @ 46

dmac @ 41

kathleen at 27 says-”I live in Appalachia. I have witnessed University folk and lots of young folk in these parts use “redneck” in a way that is demeaning and hurtful. For a long time no one would even talk about this because lots of folks use the term and it is so widely accepted by people who do not consider themselves “rednecks”.
=================

because it is so commonly used. Have you ever asked?
shows what they know—the term around here is ‘briar’, not redneck…….i’ve never heard anyone called a redneck, except someone who was, and they liked it……….
=====================

There have been a few meetings (very few) in our schools and young people in the area that are from coal mining families, etc. and others have shared that they think people are far too comfortable using it in ways that are not supportive.”
===============

never heard any of this, again, the word around here is ‘briar’……..and people use it as a term amongst themselves, not derogatory…….they laugh at people using the term in a derogatory way……means you’re ‘country’ and they’re proud of being self-sufficient country ‘folk’…….

i’ve never heard of anyone complaining about being called a redneck, never.

Ever wonder why so many people in Tennessee don’t like Bluegrass music? It’s associated with “Hillbillies”.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 52

Or South, Florida.

Shall I bore you with the MLK “people in Mississippi should come to Chicago to learn how to hate” quote?

American Indians (the people) understand racism.

raven @ 54

Oklahoma kiddo @ 52

Or South, Florida.

Shall I bore you with the MLK “people in Mississippi should come to Chicago to learn how to hate” quote?

And Detroit.

Back to football.

kathleen at 48 says-”Dmac have you ever asked anyone?”

yes, kathleen, i don’t comment unless i have firsthand knowledge.
what would be the point otherwise?

raven @ 57

Back to football.

Illinois 27

Indiana 14

dmac at 41

shows what they know—the term around here is ‘briar’, not redneck…….i’ve never heard anyone called a redneck, except someone who was, and they liked it….

That’s my license plate. Dad said we were briars born in a briar patch. Too far away for the stork I guess.

Redneck http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

To many people, the term “redneck” conjures images of trailer parks and rifle racks; hunting knives and confederate flags. Which is no wonder, given how often it’s used as an insult to describe Southerners in the United States. According to the stereotype, “rednecks” aren’t just from the red states–they’re often alcoholic and racist too. Calling someone a “redneck” is similar to calling them “white trash”–it implies that they are poor and uneducated–but it’s slightly more regional.

According to the “Oxford English Dictionary,” this meaning of the word dates back to 1893 when it was a derogatory term used to insult rural farm workers. Farmers would work all day in the sun wearing straw hats and tee-shirts, and the backs of their necks would get sunburned. Get it, “red neck”? Since the South long remained the agricultural hub of the U.S., the term was eventually applied to Southerners in general.

The word was first used, however, in 1830, to refer to the Presbyterians of Fayetteville, Georgia. Some historians argue that today’s meaning of the term originated with this reference to poor Scotch-Irish farmers.

These days, “redneck” has become a source of Southern pride in some circles. Comedians like Jeff Foxworthy turn “redneck” stereotypes into lighthearted mockery, as do television shows like “King of the Hill.” Whether a source of pride or prejudice, it seems “redneck” culture has become a part of popular culture.

raven @ 57

Back to football.

I don’t pay much attention to sports anymore. But I still love baseball. There was a time when I was termed a radical ’sports nut’. ;0)

Jane, good on you! Color of Change is right under my nose here in SF….

but I’m first learning of them and their great work here at the Lkae.

Thanks, Jane.

raven @ 57

Back to football.

Baseball.

Cubs won again today. Now if Atlanta can head off the Brewers we can enhance the lead in the league.

Every bit helps . . . . been waiting for a long time.

ck – thanks for bringing the Michael Savage bit up again from yesterday. Today, I spent a few minutes visiting and posting comments at Alaska White Power sites, which are ranting about poor Justin Barker. One site, called “Alaska Pride,” posted this picture of Justin Barker. I commented that later that day, Justin managed to drive himself to a school dance. I was beat up worse than Justin was when I was in High School, several times in the Army, and in bar fights in Cordova and Kodiak in the old days. Nobody went to jail for those times. We always seemed to work it out.

Feel free to say something at “Alaska Pride.”

dmac @ 58

kathleen at 48 says-”Dmac have you ever asked anyone?”

yes, kathleen, i don’t comment unless i have firsthand knowledge.
what would be the point otherwise?

Good.

I participated with these young people who were talking about their feelings about being referred to as “rednecks” by other kids. This had to do with numerous incidents at a local high school and were not isolated incidents. Lots of discussion on how often it was used in a “derogatory” or stereotypical way.

Sorry you are having such a hard time imagining that anyone other than yourself or those that you have “talked” with could find the term offensive

RevDeb @ 64

raven @ 57

Back to football.

Baseball.

Cubs won again today. Now if Atlanta can head off the Brewers we can enhance the lead in the league.

Every bit helps . . . . been waiting for a long time.

Don’t forget the Illini! 3-1

Jonathan @ 59

raven @ 57

Back to football.

Illinois 27

Indiana 14

oskeewow

New thread upstairs

Ed*ard Teller @ 65

ck – thanks for bringing the Michael Savage bit up again from yesterday. Today, I spent a few minutes visiting and posting comments at Alaska White Power sites, which are ranting about poor Justin Barker. One site, called “Alaska Pride,” posted this picture of Justin Barker. I commented that later that day, Justin managed to drive himself to a school dance. I was beat up worse than Justin was when I was in High School, several times in the Army, and in bar fights in Cordova and Kodiak in the old days. Nobody went to jail for those times. We always seemed to work it out.

Feel free to say something at “Alaska Pride.”

ET—I was ticked off hearing that Rahm told Alaska Democrats not to help Diane Benson last election so I kicked in some more for today’s Blue America candidate. Consider it sort of a gift for her.

egregious at 60 says-”That’s my license plate. Dad said we were briars born in a briar patch. Too far away for the stork I guess.”

toooooooo funny!!!!!!!!!

i can’t count the times here getting to know someone, and i ask if their family is from here, and they say, yeah, i’m a briar……..

i saw earlier that you mentioned the cinn conv of music……i lived in cinn for a long time, family and friends live just north of there……

a friend here where i live now, her son just graduated from the college……..he is very talented, plays jazz and also has another band, really good stuff…..she’s very proud of him, and should be.

kathleen—point of this is, just because someone is using a term or phrase as an insult, doesn’t mean that it hits the mark, especially if they don’t take it that way……they laugh at the person saying it, cuz they don’t know what the hell they’re doing……just shows them as being stoooooooopid……

IIRC, samsonblinded.org carried a story that alleged Yassir Arafat had murdered Rachel Corrie…

Good for you, Egregious! Rahm is a blight upon democracy. The only thing I find remarkable about him his the size of his ego…

raven @ 67

RevDeb @ 64

Baseball.

Cubs won again today. Now if Atlanta can head off the Brewers we can enhance the lead in the league.

Every bit helps . . . . been waiting for a long time.

Don’t forget the Illini! 3-1

Spent 4 years in the middle of that corn field. Never went to a game. No regrets.

RevDeb @ 74

raven @ 67

Don’t forget the Illini! 3-1

Spent 4 years in the middle of that corn field. Never went to a game. No regrets.

Born in Mercy Hospital, lived in veterans housing next to the stadium when I was a baby. I love Illini sports win or lose.

The term “redneck” comes from the culture of the Borderlands between England and Scotland. For 500 years or so neither country controlled the area, so the inhabitants developed a culture featuring dependence on family and clan, distrust of outside authority and legal procedure, tolerance of physical violence, enthusiasm for sports and military activity, personal pride and stoicism in the face of poverty. Sound like anybody we know?

One group of religious dissenters signed a resolution in blood and wore a red cloth around their neck to commemorate their defiance, hence the term. The Borderlands folk came here in 3 big waves of migration in the 18th Cent and settled first in the mountains of western Virginia and the Carolinas, hence “hillbillies”. Some of them moved first to Northern Ireland (”Scots-Irish”). There are instances of the term “redneck” in Ireland and colonial Virginia.

As far as pejorative use goes, it depends on how and where it’s used, and the tone of voice. It’s one of the few ethnic slang terms that isn’t an automatic insult. In fact, a certain pride in redneckery is part of the package.

raven @ 75

RevDeb @ 74

Spent 4 years in the middle of that corn field. Never went to a game. No regrets.

Born in Mercy Hospital, lived in veterans housing next to the stadium when I was a baby. I love Illini sports win or lose.

Of course now that the greedy Big 10 has there own network I had to watch a “game cast” online that is nothing more than someone typing what’s happening with some graphics.

Roger Bigod @ 76

The term “redneck” comes from the culture of the Borderlands between England and Scotland. For 500 years or so neither country controlled the area, so the inhabitants developed a culture featuring dependence on family and clan, distrust of outside authority and legal procedure, tolerance of physical violence, enthusiasm for sports and military activity, personal pride and stoicism in the face of poverty. Sound like anybody we know?

One group of religious dissenters signed a resolution in blood and wore a red cloth around their neck to commemorate their defiance, hence the term. The Borderlands folk came here in 3 big waves of migration in the 18th Cent and settled first in the mountains of western Virginia and the Carolinas, hence “hillbillies”. Some of them moved first to Northern Ireland (”Scots-Irish”). There are instances of the term “redneck” in Ireland and colonial Virginia.

As far as pejorative use goes, it depends on how and where it’s used, and the tone of voice. It’s one of the few ethnic slang terms that isn’t an automatic insult. In fact, a certain pride in redneckery is part of the package.

So much that a woman from Pochahontus Illinois calls herself one.

kathleen at 66 says-”Sorry you are having such a hard time imagining that anyone other than yourself or those that you have “talked” with could find the term offensive”

you love to get snide don’t you? how come?

no kathleen it is you who has such a hard time when someone has a different experience and brings up a different aspect of something that you didn’t intend when you brought it up……

i don’t have a hard time imagining it, i just have not seen or heard of that in regards to the word ‘redneck’. not here where i live……now, if you want to talk about the city, yeah, it goes on there a lot.

and i like how you put ‘talked’ with in quotes, cuz that’s the experience i was drawing on, not something i read on the internet.

it’s gettin’ hard to have a conversation around here lately.

dmac — especially when everyone responds like pavlovian dogs to the words “new thread.”

gawd knows I’m only a lowly peon around here but I’m so tired of getting interested in a discussion only to have it cut off by that eternally spinning circle.

Kathleen @ 61

uhh… what’s wrong with trailer parks, hunting knives or rifle racks? And Farmer is an insult?

oddmommy at 80 says-”dmac — especially when everyone responds like pavlovian dogs to the words “new thread.”

gawd knows I’m only a lowly peon around here but I’m so tired of getting interested in a discussion only to have it cut off by that eternally spinning circle.”

haaaaaaaaaaaa! that’s why i’m always behind on the threads………

i raised that up a few months ago, for people to stay in a thread, it takes a while for comments to build up in the new one anyway……..

Jane, I really appreciated your comments concerning Democrats being stupid or whatever and mouthing Rove’s talking points, especially in regard to the MoveOn ad. For my take on it go to my blog and feel free to use my photoshopped pic that accompanies my post Dem Damn Dumb Dems! As soon as I saw those chickens I started naming them. I kinda hated naming chickens Webb, Tester and a couple others, but I didn’t make them cast their ridiculous vote in support of John Cornh*le’s stupid “amendment” either.

I link to your post and Scarecrow’s there, as I think the two of you really made the point well!

Wil @ 81

Kathleen @ 61

uhh… what’s wrong with trailer parks, hunting knives or rifle racks? And Farmer is an insult?

Your right Will Nothing at all wrong with trailer parks, hunting knives and rifle racks

And I guess your right we should ignore the kids who shared their feelings about the use of “rednecks” and what they felt about it. And how they felt other kids in that high school used the term

I get it there is just no possible way that “rednecks” could be used in a negative way. My bad.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 30

Racisam is insidious. Whether it’s here (the U.S.), or in Palestine (”Palestine: Not Apartheid”) or Iraq.

AP – Iraqi investigators have a videotape that shows Blackwater USA guards opened fire against civilians without provocation in an incident last week in which 11 people died, a senior Iraqi official said Saturday. He said the case had been referred to the Iraqi judiciary.

Our government hired them, they should be regulated by our Law and should apparently be indicted for murder.

As Sam Bennett said, it’s beneath us to accept that behavior!

Kathleen @ 40

Article by Amy Goodman
http://www.truthdig.com/report…..louisiana/

Mychal Bell was convicted by an all-white jury. His court-appointed defense attorney called no witnesses. Bell will be sentenced on July 31; he faces a possible 22 years. The remaining five teens, several of whom were jailed for months, unable to make bail, still face second-degree attempted murder charges and a hundred years each in prison.

Flaherty, who grew up in New Orleans, sums up the case of the Jena Six: “I don’t think there is anyone around that would doubt that if this had been a fight between black students or a fight of white students beating up a black student, you would never be seeing this. It’s completely about race. It’s completely about two systems of justice.”

Two Americas!

Rich and everybody else.
Government & Corporations and everybody else.
Insured and not insured.
Good schools and poor schools.

John Edwards for President — because He Gets It!