Late Late Nite FDL: Trying to Make it Real… |
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| By: TRex Friday September 21, 2007 10:00 pm | |
Well, the President,
He’s got his war,
Folks don’t know just what it’s for.
Nobody gives us
Rhyme or reason,
Have one doubt,
They call it treason…
File this one under songs my mother taught me as a child that are still wildly relevant today.
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FIDDY DOLLAH!
Zed
2
TRex!!!
Zed
ZED!
wangdangdoodle @ 1
:P
Aye.
Damn, that wasn’t even close.
yes to the DNC
no to the DCCC
Trex!
TRex @ 321
I think Der Chimpenführer confused Nelson Mandela with Martha and the Vandellas.
That’s my story, anyways, and I’m rocking to it.
Ahhhhhhhh.
What a lovely fresh new thread.
It was getting kinda gamy down there.
506 is rocking big guy.
Jeebus, went from 0-12 in the time it took to click and send.
MoveOn!
wangdangdoodle @ 371
I apparently am now. :)
I’ve been having trouble adjusting to reality this evening. I have just came back from three days in the wilderness and I seem to have temporarily lost some skills.
I only got it ’cause LouDou went to bed…
TRex @ 13
I came in on the end and got myself into trouble quick.
Liss @ 17
Ah, but the skills you gained? Priceless!
Mary, I think you try to get into trouble just so I can chastize you (wink)
Awesome choice, TRex. I wore out two vinyl copies of “Swiss Movement.” The first jazz album I ever bought with my own money.
I went back to read Late Late Nite from last night to see what happened.
Kirk Murphy and Althespook got into a detailed scientific discussion on global warming and disagreed about whether things will be bad, or monumentally bad.
That’s all I could decipher anyway. I hope they both return.
marymccurnin @ 19
That’s what I like about you, Mary!
Suzanne @ 21
And it is soooooo easy.
Who is the trumpet player on that track?
marymccurnin @ 25
there’s something about mary…
lolo @ 16
lolo!!!
wangdangdoodle @ 20
The calm and peace that I found, even if only fleeting, are beautiful things. Three days, two nights, completely on my own, in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness. I saw a total of 10 people, only one of whom was camping up there and three were trail crew. It was incredible.
I’m just happy to be here at Late Late Nite and things are calm here.
I was going to see the Donnas and Donita Sparks in Portland tonight, but my old house and it’s plumbing had other ideas. Everything’s fine, now, but it’s been an ugly afternoon/early evening.
lolo @ 16
lolo!!! 8-)
Niters, ‘Pups, just came in long enough to check in and make sure the therapod was still his sassy self.
Should never have doubted.
Suzanne @ 27
Sassy, no?
TheOtherWA @ 30
offended more than one sense, eh?
(edited to make only one sense)
burnspbesq @ 22
Is this jazz or soul? Or rhythm and blues?
I love it, whatever it is, and I wish I knew who the trumpet player was. This whole band is smokin’.
Liss @ 29
Sounds like pure heaven…
I’m worried about Big Mitch at this juncture, I’m hoping it’s cause his Yanks lost, but, I suspect it’s over Israel instead… :-(
Night Rayne. Think I will head out as well. Take care all and enjoy the snark (which the therapod is serving up red hot tonight).
wangdangdoodle @ 33
Its the left handed, southern, scorpio thing enhanced by growing up in New Orleans.
Nite Rayne, nite Dr. … Dick.
TRex @ 35
Sounds like jazz to me, particularly due to the trumpet solo, but I am by no means an expert. I am also curious.
neurophius @ 26
Benny Bailey, I think.
DrDick @ 38
Nite, Ya’ll!!!
Great track trex!
trex traxs! rut roh!
I think there are a lot of frustrated pups at the Lake – and if not, ya’ll are doing a dayamed fine impression of being frustrated and ill tempered and quick to take offense. Not so much at late nite but it does creep in
marymccurnin @ 39
Right handed, southern, Gemini. Austin, Texas… y’all.
Sassy is as sassy does!
neurophius @ 41
Yeah, kinda sounds like a variant of early R&B too.
wangdangdoodle @ 36
If it ain’t, you sure as heck can see it from there.
::sigh:: I want to go back.
Then I remember that I just got my husband to agree to me doing a Pacific Crest Trail leg next year. ^_^
Now, to find something else to talk about. . .
Suzanne @ 45
Frustrated? 56-44, 56-44, 72-whatever? Yes, I, for one, am frustrated.
Suzanne @ 45
Mission creep… We’re not the enemy… The repugs and dinos are…!!! *g*
Benny Bailey? YouTube has that.
ct, mission creep is a good term – that is exactly what it is – and what the rethugs want – us to be bickering amongst ourselves instead of fighting them
CTuttle @ 50
multiple choice of fill in the blank?!?
TRex @ 35
I’ve always thought of it as jazz because of the instrumentation. Labels don’t matter so much when the music is this good.
Sounds like the same trumpet player that was on “Swiss Movement,” Benny Bailey.
The story (perhaps apocryphal) is that Les McCann and Eddie Harris had never played together — not even a sound check — before they walked on stage at Montreux to play the set that was recorded and released as “Swiss Movement.” They were literally making it up as they went along.
TRex @ 28
Hi Trex what was with that bimbo at the end of the last thread?
I see from the links out of the YouTube clip that Taylor Hicks from “American Idol” has been doing “Compared to What”.
I could have gone a lifetime without knowing that. Les McCann & Eddie Harris laid down the definitive version that night in Montreux.
Something about the way Eddie Harris sings the word, “GOD-dammit!” in the YouTube selection above conveys exactly how I feel about the US government right now.
Suzanne @ 52
fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here!
CTuttle @ 37
It’s Friday night, Shabbat starts at sundown and it’s also Yom Kippur.
Suzanne @ 45
Yeah, the vibe this week has been stressful. The events get us down, and we start taking it out on each other. I’ve found myself getting off the tubes quite early some nights because I’d rather not deal with it.
And it’s no ones fault. Hell, if we didn’t have this nightly snarkfest it would be a lot worse!
Suzanne @ 45
People were really grumpy this morning before i went into work at the pharmacy. Then i couldn’t keep up with the evening posts becuase of my DJ shift. But things were really off key last night becuase of that ongoing row. *sighs*
Hopefully they’ll both come back.
Cap’n Phealy @ 56
Who’s Taylor Hicks?
DrDick @ 31
Hi Dr.Dick have you been blessed with any rain yet?
burnspbesq @ 54
Did I miss a link to that?
…and now his mercs are selling arms to the teruhrists
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..index.html
Blackwater is now being investigated for supplying weapons to insurgents in Iraq (although probably only for as long as the AUSA in charge of the investigation still has his or her job)… The rethugs’ private army is now selling smuggled arms to the very people who are, presumably, shooting at our (real) soldiers. Sorry to keep on bringing this up, but this really really really really has me steamed.
….the theocon private army that donates millions in campaign contributions to shrubco and other leading rethugs is arming the enemy. now if this isn’t the very definition of treason, I don’t know what is
Steve-AR @ 59
Good Point! 8~)
CTuttle – It is Yom Kippur. Betsy, Mitch and the other faithful are doing their holy day stuff. Too bad about the yankees. NOT.
Now you guys are telling me Kirk won’t be back.
WTF? I didn’t think the argument was that bad. Maybe the tussle got worse after I left. Damn.
aliasofwestgate @ 61
This past week has been a major cause for bad moods. Giving some “fuck you” money to MoveOn improved mine.
I would prefer not to let Al’s leaving hijack this thread. If he comes back, well, he has left and come back before.
I figure they are grownups and can resolve it as such without my kibitzing.
Blub @ 65
It’s a Free Market™ solution!
marymccurnin @ 68
Na, it vapored unless they took it private.
You know what I miss….. :(
I miss the Saturday cartoons over at Bob Geiger
Cap’n Phealy @ 56
That’ll go down in infamy, right next to Michael Bolton screeching his way through “Since I Fell For You.” Lenny Welch rules!
katymine @ 73
me too :( :( :(
Suzanne @ 70
Gotcha Suzanne. *goes back to grooving to a really excellent bit of music provided by TRex.*
I’ve just been informed by a little bird that the trumpet player’s name is Benny Bailey.
Steve-AR @ 69
I felt like that when I gave to the Wilson’s.
Les McCann & Eddie Harris? YouTube has that, too!
Do we get the Mukasey connection yet?
Keeping Gonzo in mind, who would you appoint to the AG job if you wanted to shove Giuliani into the White House next year?
Who LIKES the newly appointed Republican thugs who replaced the nine fired US attorneys, (they still have those jobs, BTW)?
Who’s son is employed at Giuliani’s law firm?
Yes, that’s right. Mukasey. Gonzo set the precedent. Mukasey has to just rinse and repeat.
Heads up, y’all.
twȝk @ 71
to perpetuating the war… we can justify our continued presence in Iraq by prolonging the insurgency by providing them with weapons, all while benefiting the bottom-line of shrub’s very own private army/theocon buddy campaign contributors. Free Market™ treason. I do not know how a government can possibly get more obscene than this.
Steve-AR @ 69
FIDDY FUCK YOUS!
:)
TRex @ 62
You don’t want to know.
doctordawg @ 80
How could that directly effect the election?
TRex @ 35
Trumpeter Benny Bailey!
Damn fine choice, TRex! MoveOn theme music if you ask me and my mojo..) And I would call it Jazz, baby, just jazz.
twȝk @ 71
707!!!
Blub @ 65
As long as General Petraeus is also arming all sides, it’s hard to imagine Schwartzvasser USA will get in trouble for the same thing.
docdawg, you got any links for that?
burnspbesq @ 22
So good… now if someone could please come up with Soul Flutes…This is the best ever of Eddie Harris and was done anonomously. Cannot be found anywhere, and had the original of “Trust in Me.” Re-done later in “Jungle BooK”, but not as good as the original. Plus so many other greats on “Trust in Me”
katymine @ 73
Me too.
‘evening all…. just stopped in for a moment…
Suzanne! the short hair? it’s nice, isn’t it?
How’s your grandfather, TRex?
It isn’t the US Attorneys who were fired… it is the ones that were NOT fired that needs to be investigated…
How many Repugs DID not get indicted?
How many Dems were smeared just before the election?
Who allowed the caging of voters?
Who did not investigate election fraud?
katymine @ 73
***
Me, too. Until Geiger comes back, here’s a good substitute I’ve found…
It took some fairly serious cojones for Branford Marsalis to record a complete version of “A Love Supreme.” Unfortunately, this clip cuts out about two seconds before he blows the roof off the joint. But this is great stuff. Joey Calderazzo, the pianist on this clip, is one of my very favorite contemporary jazz pianists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfHtVgM14sM
Goodnight all. I just noticed the time.
Actually, I know who he is. I was just trying to pretend to myself for a minute that I didn’t.
Blub @ 81
I really think progressives need to do more international outreach. Apply as much pressure from as many directions as possible. Progressives have progressive humanitarian allies all over the world!
One thing this week taught me: FDL will not be closing its doors on 1/20/2009, no matter what Democrat is elected President.
Lots to do. Lots to do.
CD @ 93
sweet, thanks and bookmarked!
katymine @ 92
Oh, but Senate Democrats are getting all these answers before confirming the new Attorney General, hadn’t you heard? /s
Oh thank you CD…
lolo @ 86
sup lolo, where you been hiding all them fancy zeds!
Here’s part two.
katymine @ 73
Me too. What happened?
Apparently, he perked right up when he heard that my brother and I are coming down. He’s so proud of us.
Would you understand what I meant if I said that sometimes it’s a little scary to be loved so fiercely and unconditionally by someone? You have to wonder sometimes if you measure up, really.
If I had any sense, I’d be going to bed, too.
If…
TeddySanFran @ 98
Indeed.
Loo Hoo. @ 104
Bob is taking a break…..
Traveled abroad lately? Big Brother knows what you were reading.
The wine has kicked in nicely, so I’m off to bed. Sweet, peaceful dreams to you all.
doctordawg @ 80
You’d probably find this article interesting. I came across it earlier today:
http://simplyleftbehind.blogsp…..lyses.html
TRex @ 105
Twas the power of love TRex, you had some fine and strong mojo being sent out by a lotta folks to your grandpa..
TeddySanFran @ 98
True! True! True!
twȝk @ 97
YES. I think that’s pretty crucial.
Time to call it a night. Sports Junkie is getting up at 4:45 tomorrow morning to watch the U.S. women’s team play England in the quarterfinals of the Women’s World Cup.
Pleasant dreams, everyone.
katymine @ 101
***
You’re welcome, katymine and Suzanne. Only downside is that there are a few wingnut cartoonists in the mix, but it’s a minor aggravation for the size of the selection.
Also, under Daily Editorial Cartoons in the lefthand column there’s some international contributors, which are often neat.
TheOtherWA @ 110
Rub it in about the wine…. this is the last day of 10 days of antibiotics…. yahoo… lookout tomorrow!
TeddySanFran @ 109
gosh. as to personal items, that must be challenging. I wonder how they classify vibrators or bananas.
TRex @ 105
ya know – sometimes, it’s whatever gets you through… Good for Grandpa! (and yes, you are worthy – lucky too!)
TRex @ 105
That is a rare gift. Enjoy it!
katy, isn’t it getting close to midnight? then it will be tomorrow
Valley Girl @ 118
I’m travelling next year. I’ll have to be sure to flip off anyone who looks like he’s taking notes. Where are they getting this info? Through customs? I can’t see them tailing all these travellers…?
TeddySanFran @ 100
Psych…!!!
I know! I need to get a bunch of personal items that have things like FUCK YOU BUSH printed on them…hmmm…hmmmmmmm…
well puppies – 500 kids this week in my computer lab… geez! my feet are sore!
I must sleep – good night, sweet dreams all…
peanutbutter @ 124
oh mary mcc……. here’s your chance to get in trouble (laughing)
TeddySanFran @ 109
Data retention – Big Demonstration in Berlin/ Germany on Saturady
It’s a trend, who know.
marymccurnin @ 84
Gonzo pressured Iglesias in New Mexico to indict a Democratic candidate right before the 2006 election to ruin his chance of being elected. Remember? That’s why Iglesias was fired.
There were plenty of other “voter caging”, “voter suppression” etc. etc. campaigns waged by Republican thugs with Alberto’s blessing. So Gonzo quits, but the Republican vote-rigging machine he established is alive and well.
Fast forward to NOW. The new AG will be Mukasey, a longtime friend and business partner of Giuliani. Come next election, Mukasey will be the “decider” in “voter fraud” cases pursued by US attorneys nationwide, whether to purge Democratic or Republican “fraudulent” votes like they did in Arkansas in 2006. If Giuliani is losing in Arkansas in 2008, the local US Attorney can purge “fraudulent votes” from the roles by the tens of thousands to swing the state back to Giuliani, for example.
Mukasey will be accountable to no one (executive privilege and all that, as defined by Gonzo and Bush). Mukasey is curently on Giuliani’s payroll as legal adviser. Mukasey’s son is employed at Giuliani’s law firm. Why WOULDN’T Mukasey favor Giuliani in next year’s election?
The fix is in. Democrats are so afraid of a Bush crony as AG that they forget Giuliani is running in the NEXT election, not Bush.
Nite WA, nite burns… sweet dreeams.
g’nite oc, soak them piggies and treat them right.
waving to any other leaving sleepy pups i missed
doctordawg @ 128
Crap.
I’m out, too. Got to get up and hit the road tomorrow.
Good night, everybody!
Suzanne @ 130
I’m thinkin’ I need a highly manueverable flying carpet to zip around the room on…
yup. that would work.
peanutbutter @ 122
Airport security procedures are at least 17 different kinds of stupid and silly — but if you want to fly, you must comply. As a frequent business traveler (about 60,000 miles so far this year, through 14 different airports), I just wish the rules would be the f**king same at every airport. It’s the arbitrariness of it that makes me want to scream every time I have to take off my shoes.
Good night TRex.
sleep well, trex, and continued good thoughts for grandpa :)
TRex @ 132
Bon Nuit, TRex!!!
Nite TRex, thanks!!
Suzanne @ 121
Not here in AZ… it is only 10:45pm MST and I took the last dose just a couple of hours ago. I am going to be a good little patient for now.
I really do not see how they can gather that info on travelers unless they inventory the checked bags or video the bags going through TSA. Well the 6 Greek cookbooks, two the same because I brought one back for Christy. Big threat that was. To me it seems like a lot of crap being stored to find that needle AND we all know how well BushCo did when those needles even pointed out like the Phoenix Memo.
burnspbesq @ 134
Ya hit the nail on the head, Burns! One standard should prevail, period!!!
burnspbesq @ 134
Oh, I have every intention of complying, especially since regulations confer ridiculous, unassailable powers onto flight attendants.
But, yeah. Monograms, stencils, silkscreens, slogans…mmmm…
katymine, my mom and step-dad have their place up for sale in palm springs and are planning on moving to just outside phoenix, in peoria iirc.
I hate this goddam fucking war!
But I love firedoglake!
Just back from the monthly Democratic Party dinner for the Mat-Su Valley. People enraged about the war and the Dems in congress, even though we could be crowing about the suicide pact Alaska GOPers seem to be in.
CTuttle @ 37
What happened in that regard?
One more quarter into the jukebox before I go.
If this isn’t one of the greatest love songs in the history of pop music, then I don’t know what is.
Aaron Neville and Linda Ronstadt, “Don’t Know Much.”
hey et – love to see them alaska goppers going down – no word on any new indictments yet?
Night all.
g’nite burns and liss
katymine @ 139
That’s the sheer irony of this whole data-mining nonsense in a nutshell, somebody has to listen to it all…!!! ;-)
doctordawg @ 128
We need to be able to Spotlight comments!
I love to lie and lie to love
I’m hangin’ on, they push and shove
Possession is the motivation that is hangin’ up the God damn nation
Looks like we all might end up in a rut — everybody now
Tryin’ to make it real — compared to what?
Slaughterhouse is killin’ hogs
Twisted children killin’ frogs…
Poor dumb rednecks rollin’ logs
Tired old ladies kissin’ dogs
I hate the human love of that stinkin’ mutt — I can’t use it
Try to make it real compared to what.
President he’s got his war…
Ya ET isn’t fun when the GOPers try and destroy themselves…..
Not many people know it but McCain tried to take over the AZ state GOP, put together a slate of officers for the statewide party elections AND he lost…. boohoo….. it was a big deal and he did not loose by much.
wigwam @ 144
Norske, among others, I could be included partially, assailed his Pro-Israel views…!!! 8-(
peanutbutter @ 124
Or mess with their little heads a bit.
Have panties with “Bush” stamped approximately…er, in the right place.
Then they have to think about it. “Does she like Bush? Or is she being a smartypants?” ;)
Haven’t read comments, don’t matter.
TRex, Swiss Movement changed a lot of lives.
I SAW Les and Eddie in ‘71 or so I think, Oakland Coliseum . . . Some Jazz All Star Regalia.
They WERE Compared To What! To the best.
Great, great song. Still.
“God damn it now,
Trying to make it real,
Compared to what!”
I’m still dizzy over Eli’s post, Moveon’s income today, and the potential of our future.
Screw the Congress, we KNOW they are not serving us, the masses. They are targeted, and the more we TELL them they are targeted, the more we get to see them squirm. Into the corner. With NO where to go. Starve and die, rats.
We Fight Back!!!
I’m buoyed with today.
Nice work, progressives.
Gilley would be likin some of this, I think. ;-)
Margot @ 154
*g*
Margot @ 154
Smartypanty??? ;-)
Suzanne @ 146
They’ve run out of paper. This afternoon, the governor asked for Sen. Stevens to explain himself to Alaskans:
‘Alaskans are anxious to hear any information that can be provided regarding his innocence.’
Although Governor Palin has committed herself to finishing her term (she was elected in 2006), the temptation might be too great at this point. She’s the most popular governor in the country by at least ten points.
Ed*ard Teller @ 157
rubbing hands together gleefully
katymine @ 139
Road trip to Northern AZ next week; Antelope Canyon etc. Can’t wait.
twȝk @ 102
I have a big ZED necklace!
Bonnie & Alison
And I’ll have to think twice about bush panties.
I just sent 50 bucks to moveon.org.
Wow, that felt mighty fine!
Margot @ 154
707
CT – been gone volunteering for Diane Benson all day. Where was the big GSD vs. Mitch dialogue? Two people who I love dearly…
wangdangdoodle @ 160
Aah, Panty-waist!!! :P
Steve-AR @159
It has been getting cool up in the high country and remember the elevation is over 7000ft at Flagstaff and 7500 at the Canyon.
Wow… great place, be careful because we are still having storms (rained tonight)
am not gonna touch any bush panties with a ten foot pole
Ed*ard Teller @ 163
Not, GSD! The Rather Lather thread starting at about 102!
I have had this song in my head all day, shows how old I really am, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esx3lghRwDw
katymine @ 165
Yeah, winter in N.AZ is pretty wild for a Northerner like me. They get all four seasons in a 24 hr. period.
Suzanne @ 166
And extremely tall Polish people are grateful.
31tudor @ 161
FIDDY DOLLAH!! You GO girl. Or guy…
Besides other events this week…. THIS is how I feel about what went on this week in DC..
http://www.cagle.com//news/Pet…..serman.gif
katymine @ 167
A spent a week on leave in Flagstaff, my Mom was attending NAU for her Doctoral degree… It is gorgeous, notwithstanding the GC being close-by!!! 8-)
persiflage @ 172
(((Persi))) G’day, Sheila!!!
Love Flagstaff…. they have a great brewery south of the railroad tracks that have steaks to die for. Love going to the Canyon and watching the sunset. No where in the world are their colors like the here in AZ.
Except Greece…. I have never seen water so blue.. it was so clear you could see the bottom of the sea up on a 700 meter cliff.
marymccurnin @ 68
comment 323 from late, late last night:
AK said:
please go read the whole comment.
katymine @ 177
The pics you shared with us were pretty damned special.
katymine @ 177
Heh, ya ain’t seen a Kona Sunset, eh? 8-)
CTuttle @ 174
G’day Bloke, good to see you.
It is pouring right now. This is the first rain in I don’t know how long, thunder and lightening too, in O.C. CA. It’s a miracle.
On CSPAN right now: Reporting on the Iraq War (Replay from Thursday)
Bob in HI
lolo @ 182
Really?
*goes outside to check*
Re the argument during the TANG/Rather thread:
It illustrates Kirk Murphy’s point from a few nights ago. Rather well, yuk, yuk..
wangdangdoodle @ 160
Suzanne @ 166
I’ll have to draw some…
I adore FLagstaff. I went to NAU Summer Music camp for all the years possible from 6th grade to Freshman College year, where you got to be a Camp Counselor.
Though they probably wouldn’t be happy wi this:
http://s185.photobucket.com/al…..mage-1.flv
“Brain Damage”
That’s all I can think about this week, Constitution Week.
katymine @ 177
I lived in Flagstaff for 17 years! And I still have a large storage locker with a good deal of my worldly belongings there. I drop by every summer to look through it for stuff I need here. I still have many friends there, and still keep in touch with the local Democracy for America group there that inspired my return to political activism in 2004.
Bob in HI
Margot @ 185
Noooooooooooooo
Margot @ 184
Hey, been meaning to tell you I really all your drawings on Facebook. The landscapes are exceptional.
yellowdog jim @ 178
Wow, Suz and I, had departed a few comments earlier, I never saw it coming… :-(
CTuttle @ 178
No I haven’t but I will someday…. We have plans to go to London and Paris in January….
My boyfriend was going to do that trip last year on August 11th … the day after the water sillyness and they put his ticket on hold. When he rebooked the trip, he could buy two tickets for just a few bucks more.
Margot @ 186
WOOT!
No rain or thunder or lightning here yet :-P What part of OC?
unconventional conventionist @ 187
Margot @ 186
MoveOn: Apply directly to Fascists…
Awesome!
So Mitch, AK and Kirk have all left the room?
katymine @ 192
Give me a holler, and, I’ll show or tell ya where to go for the optimum viewing pleasures…!!! *g* (This applies to all other Lakers too!)
ET, I have no idea if this is temporary, permanent, or due to religious holiday. Time will tell
TheOtherWA @ 23
Oh shit!! I signed off early last night and missed that: http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-984857
Kirk and Al are two of my favorite FDL co-commentors. May I humbly request that someone, preferrably Jane or Christy, intervene in the tragic misunderstanding. These guys are on the same side.
More specifically, they brought a great deal of relevant and detailed expertise to late and late-late night discussions. I would miss them horribly if they did not return.
Ed*ard Teller @ 197
I’m hoping Mitch is participating in the Jewish traditions rather than miffed…!!!
wigwam @ 199
I think that they should resolve this themselves and not get the lake caught up in their differences with each other. Jane certainly does not need to get involved in their negativity right now.
And that is all I’m going to say.
wigwam @ 200
I sent a desperate plea to AK on FB!!!
yellowdog jim @ 178
Ouch!
wigwam @ 200
They’ll be back. We’re entering some even heavier times, and Kirk has been around long enough to know how much fdl has grown over the years. Alfred and Mitch are fairly new, but they both lurked for months before jumping in, and if they feel they can add to the discussion here, they will.
Both Alfred and Mitch are in situations where external pressures might tell them to GTFOH (get the fuck out of here)…
well…. I am full of baklava and need to get my beauty sleep… tomorrow I am moving my home office out of my bedroom into a REAL office upstairs… woohoo…
CTuttle @ 191
i was there and it was sad.
i was comparing the competing doom and gloom scenarios between AK’s geopolitics and doc murphy’s global warming.
AK disagreed with Kirk and Kirk unloaded.
senseless ugliness.
sad, sad, sad.
katymine @ 206
Mmm baklava…
Ed*ard Teller @ 197
i’d not seen mitch go, but i saw AK and Kirk peel out.
(deep sigh) baklava
g’nite katy
peanutbutter @ 206
Spoiled myself…. Costco run for RX and saw California rolls and Baklava trays….. they just had to ride home with me… they were calling my name….
peanutbutter @ 194
Los Alamitos it’s insane right now. I planted (patched) my lawn a few weeks ago. My baby grass is gonna love it.
lolo @ 212
Yeah. Just got my weather advisory. Looks like I’ll get it later tonight. Bah. Wanted to paint outside tomorrow, will probably be too wet :-P
CTuttle @ 191
Suzanne @ 202
IMHO, it’ll require supportive intervention by someone with some level of official credibility, but I hear you that this is somehthing that neither Jane nor Christy needs to be involved in — they’ve both got more than enough on their plates. Still, IMHO, it would be a tragedy to lose their input.
Nite katymine, right behind ya!
Here’s a lullaby for everyone.
Let love be your weapon, people.
True, Wigwam, it would be a lose for the Lake! 8-(
peanutbutter @ 213
Where are you located peanutbutter?
Governor Palin’s complete statement regarding Sen. Ted Stevens, plus some comments from the Anchorage Daily News political blog:
“Right now, Alaskans aren’t hearing anything,” Palin said, adding that she and many of the state’s residents are willing to give Stevens more leeway than most people because of the Republican senator’s long service to Alaska.
“But not hearing anything in terms of information that can be shared regarding the senator’s innocence is kind of frustrating for Alaskans,” Palin said. “Alaskans are getting more anxious to hear any information that he can provide regarding his innocence.”
Another canadian view on the dollar:
ET- well, if you have creds with Mitch (and I think you do) just tell him to back the fuck off on pushing the baseball comments. He really does not get “FDL nuance” when it comes to the baseball comments. Like, what? This is so important to him that we should just not challenge? Nope, sorry. And, p.s. all you enablers out there, think again.
lolo @ 217
Central OC. CA-48 :-)
yellowdog jim @ 209
He’s Baaaaaaack.
wangdangdoodle @ 215
It’s the ultimate weapon…!!! 8-) Nite, Ma’am!!!
g’nite wangdang
No Dirty Tricks: The Movie
wigwam @ 214
How about a Pach intervention!
On CSPAN, Reporting on the Iraq War
Michael Gordon (NYT) wondering what everyone is fussing about, and thinks he can see Iraq just fine from his embedded tours as “Chief Military Correspondent”. Thinks embedding is just peachy.
(Responding to assertion that embedded reporters “hold back”).
I can see how he got a job– he can tell nice anecdotes– but how the heck did he become the NYT “chief” military correspondent? Like, does he have actual qualifications? Does he actually know what journalism is? Like, fact checking, and multi-sourcing and stuff?
Bob in HI
BigMitch @ 222
Mazel Tov! 2.5 back…!!!
Ed*ard Teller @ 216
Just think if Alaskans heard all the evidence to the contrary of Steven’s innocence!
Are Alaskans just used to the backdoor dealings Ed?
lolo @ 226
BRILLIANT!!!
I haven’t read any of the above, but am delighting in the rain (finally) in Los Angeles, and wallowing in the pleasure of being a contributor to MoveOn. I, too, got the message that they had their biggest fundraising day – and I was one of the contributors!
It’s like a day at the spa!
I should take my collection of Bush books with me. House of Bush, House of Saud; Secrets of the Kingdom; The 9/11 Commission Report; A Tragic Legacy; How Would A Patriot Act; The Assault on Reason; American Facists; Anatomy of Deceit; Conservatives Without Conscience … yeah…
Oh, please — people come and go on the Lake alla time. No one needs an intervention. If people want to return, they’ll return. Nobody’s “goodbye cruel world” comment deserves our attention at all. The blogmistresses certainly don’t need to get involved in a commenter spat.
And I didn’t see that kirk murphy was going anywhere.
But I really enjoyed from the Rather thread bmaz’s idea that Dan’s suit may very well be about getting the best fact witness deposed in a civil suit regarding his very own TANG service — the Preznit. Paula Jones karma, anyone?
peanutbutter @ 231
add one copy of the Constitution (with the Bill of Rights) and you are all set
TeddySanFran @ 233
Oh, it’s sweeeeeet! I’ve got my fingers crossed.
Suzanne @ 234
Highlight the endangered sections: habeas, first amendment, fourth… yeah…
TeddySanFran @ 232
hoist on their GOP owned Clinton petard?
peanutbutter @ 223
Good to see and hear people are wise to the GOP gaming the electoral system!
BigMitch @ 222
I went to hear Jake Metcalfe give the monthly talk at the Mat-Su Dems tonight. There were also three school board candidates and a Wasilla City Council candidate. Great time. Katie Hurley is SO AWESOME. 84 years old, and willing to take on MEA’s dirty coal power plant idea.
peanutbutter @ 221
Got any real, progressive candidates?
CTuttle @ 201
Bingo.
I am a little miffed, but that is the price one pays for spirited political debate. Naturally, I think anyone who disagrees with me is wrong: That’s what it means to believe in something. But I don’t take this stuff personally when it comes to I/P. And when people say things I don’t believe it, I discuss it and have even changed my mind. But it also gives me a chance to try to change theirs. If the price for this opportunity is occassionally feeling miffed, it is well worth it.
Truth to tell, I am more miffed that the Yanks lost in the 15th inning, but I guess I should back way the fuck off, sharing with anyone insights into my world.
wigwam @ 240
*Snort* Nothing against John Campbell that I know of. Shepton’s next door in CA-42.
twȝk @ 238
Doesn’t Jane look gorgeous in that video?
bobschacht @ 225
Why Bob, you should know that only bloggers do that! *feigns disgust*
twȝk @ 229
more like
crackoil economy addicts. With all this shit coming down, they need for their relatives to start going to bigoil-anon meetings to help them out.I flew once with Kitty Kelley’s Bush book once and got serious stinkeye from TSA but no extra searches.
PS Now I am enjoying Mitch’s sports talk. I guess I like it when his team loses. *g*
BigMitch @ 241
All due respect, when you shout “Bullshit” at an opposing opinion, your cred takes a huge whack. Just my opinion.
peanutbutter @ 230
LOL, you’d get the cavity search for that!
BigMitch @ 241
Well, the only thing I have said so far is that you should back the fuck off on the baseball comments. You need to learn “nuance” as to when to post sports comments.
twȝk @ 229
FWIW: we have a whole new scandal breaking. A HUGE project is called the Pebble Beach Mine, and it is opposed by many, many conservation minded people. I don’t have to tell people here what an ecological disaster mining can be, but this is expecially risky, to hear the opponents tell it. (I am trying to report in the most neutral terms possible.)
Yesterday there was accusations of bribery relating to approving the mine. Probably, ET is more up on the details.
peanutbutter @ 230
Or take really obscure technical books with long complicated titles. Drive them mad trying to figure out whether an electromagnotrometric technoglamaticorometer is pro or anti terrorist. (and yes, I did just make that up).
TeddySanFran @ 246
I heard that Barry Bonds isn’t getting picked up by San Fran next year. Is that true Teddy?
persiflage @ 250
hehehehehe that is twisted – i like it
persiflage @ 251
But now the NSA will try to invent an electromagnotrometric technoglamaticorometer! And the FDL mod filters will start requiring us to spell it electroma*notrometric techno*lamaticorometer
persiflage @ 251
*evil grin*
Although those books tend to weigh an awful lot. At least the books I listed previously are available in lightweight paperback editions…
E*M*T*C*M, teddy
lolo @ 252
Buh-bye Barry Bonds
lolo @ 241
Sure does! I’m glad blogs are mostly text or I might get distracted from the substance *g
peanutbutter @ 232
Take a bandsaw to their spines and scan them to your notebook computer.
Ed*ard Teller @ 243
Sounds messy. How generational is it?
neurophius @ 41
It’s PHREAKING JAZZ YOU PEOPLE!!
Good GOD are none of you older than 20 SOMETHING?!?!?!?!? (/oldman ranting)
From Amazon about the project in ‘69, Montreaux, Switzerland . . .
“Amazon.com . . .
This memorable impromptu session arose at the 1969 Montreux festival when tenor saxophonist Eddie Harris and trumpeter Benny Bailey joined Les McCann’s working trio.
McCann’s regular rhythm section of Leroy Vinnegar on bass and Donald Dean on drums provides rock-solid support for some strongly felt and entertaining music. Harris’s light-toned but expressive horn shines on his own “Cold Duck Soup” and McCann’s “Kathleen’s Theme,” while the whole band rocks on “You Got It in Your Soulness.” McCann’s elemental voice and piano gives new life to the soul classic “Compared to What,” while the underrated Bailey, more frequently heard in mainstream jazz settings, brings a brassy soulfulness of his own to the proceedings. –Stuart Broomer
This was epic then, and still is. Impromptu, and two years later, I got to hear it with Les And Eddie, in toto.
Wow. And at the time, I was a DIE hearted fan of old SF sounds, that were fading fast. QMS and such. Butterfield Band was long gone, although Amos Garrett and Geoff Mulduar were good in the new Paul stuff at the time (One More Heartache) . . .
Life on The Peninsula, as a teen.
“Noooo man is an island!”
Big draw on helium tank:
“He’s a peninsula . . . titter, titter laughter.”
*G*
wigwam @ 259
:-)
Although, my computer is never going through an airport. Only maybe if I take the hdd out first.
TeddySanFran @ 257
Spelling correction:
B***y B***s.
Anyway, the point is more for DHS goons to go batshit crazy trying to document and write down all the titles.
Alrighty, guys. It’s just past midnight, time for me to pack it in. No rain yet!
TeddySanFran @ 257
If Teddy is posting sports links it must be okay.
The Giants traded Mays, too.
That year, the Mets won the pennant. NY was so euphoric that it re-elected a rather unpopular mayor, John V. Lindsey. He went on to have his name mentioned as presidential timber. My point? Baseball is about politics and vice-versa.
BigMitch @ 250
Helping prepare Diane Benson’s position on the mine itself and its long-term impact on the Bristol Bay economy, but we’ll steer clear of the bribery clutter.
more info
i begged, i pleaded, but nooooooo, margot had to draw a pair of bush panties on her facebook wall
*spewing coffee all over desk*
BigMitch @ 248
Sounds like a positive development that some sunlight is shining!
TeddySanFran @ 252
No need for the NSA to worry their petty (not a typo) little heads about it. Apparently, I just invented one. And, my God, it works a treat. I can spifflicate any transmalistimamanisma within a hundred miles. Don’t believe me? Look around, do you see any transmalistimamanisma? See, it works!
Persiflage
persiflage @ 270
Amazing o/ It’s true!
You da man!
persiflage @ 269
Go, Girl…!!! *g*
mitch, an occasion sports thing is ok – depending on the thread and number of comments – a play by play of a game is not. trex doesn’t like a lot of baseball talk on his threads. after he leaves, the threads loosen up a bunch.
that help any.
Suzanne @ 268
!!!
Oh, what a note to, erm, go to bed on…!
persiflage @ 249
:)
Suzanne @ 267
Margot is special… OMG! Way too many retorts.
Goodnight folks. Have a good week-end. I have a busy day tomorrow. Supposed to atone for all my sins. LOTTA work. See ya!
g’nite mitch, is there something special to say for yom kipper?
twȝk @ 260
They started developing oil here in the early 60s, in Cook Inlet, but the big jump was the opening of the Prudhoe Bay oilfields in 1977. I was a member of the first group to file a lawsuit against the building of the pipeline and Valdez terminal – the Cordova District Fisheries Union – during the time of the Jackson Amendment, which opened construction, because of a so-called “National Emergency.” BTW, that amendment was the first national emergency legislation which contained language which could be viewed as Islamophobic. Some of Sen. Henry Jackson’s staffers who helped craft the legislation and push it through later became neocon icons.
peanutbutter @ 242
Shepston looks really good. Also, I like his campaign manager Greg “majordanby” Diamond. These guys are real progressives from what I’ve read of their posts at Dkos.
Suzanne @ 272
mitch, you will notice that my “sports talk” consisted of four words, one of them a link. and that i was responding to an inquiry.
no one ever asks you what the score is.
BigMitch @ 276
That’s a job in itself…! Aloha, Mitch!!!
wigwam @ 280
Yeah. The Reps here are really weird — some really locked in Republicans, but so many of them embroiled in scandals like Miller that I’m hoping more can be cleared off. I’m not aware of any attached to Campbell, though. (I could be wrong!)
Anyway, really bedtime for me ;-)
Suzanne @ 277
A wish for an easy fast.
Suzanne @ 277
Yom Kippur, Suz…!!!
My wishes for an easy fast, Big Mitch.
taser story from hell!
Nite, PB!!!
In the “911 changed everything” department, we have an exciting new entry. Apparently, 911 also changed Rudi’s views on gun control. At least when he’s speaking to the NRA.
So — is Rudi talking about all the guns used to hijack the planes? Or is he talking about all the guns that could have been used to kill the hijackerss if we had a Second Amendment of The Skies?
Seriously, is he batshit insane?
CTuttle @ 285
She’s confusing it with the Norwegian festival of Yum Kipper…
bless, you BigMitch!
Ed*ard Teller @ 287
Overzealousness… Sad Tragedy!!!
newtonusr @ 276
***
Help…I’m new to FB. All I see when I click that link is a small photo of blue mountains. How do I get to the Bush undies?
TeddySanFran @ 280
lol
TeddySanFran @ 289
Also, in the middle of his spiel, he ‘unexpectedly’ receives a cell call from Judi…!!!
lolo, when you lol — it’s funny.
lolo
lol
TeddySanFran @ 289
I thought he was referring to the US military arming both sides in a civil war…
But I tend to see conspiracy everywhere. Just me…
Persi DA man, and Persi goes girl
Persi gonna take over the whole damn world
Keeps you safe from transmalistimamanismati
C’mon folks, join the Persi Pary
persiflage @ 297
Pary? I would if I knew what I was getting into!!! ;-)
Ed*ard Teller @ 286
wow.
CD @ 290
if you are on facebook, then look at the right of the blue mountains for ‘add friend’ – then you can see all of her glorious art work
Ed*ard Teller @ 276
I was pretty young but remember that being a hot topic.
So, in other words, rather than a younger generation having different views on the use of Alaska’s resources it is more of a microcosm of GOP business as usual?
Seriously, is he batshit insane?
Oh, oh, pick me, pick me, I know the answer, pick me. Why, how generous of you to call on me TSF. The answer to your question is : yes.
CD @ 291
i think you need to click on the “Graffiti” bar to open the bush panties.
CTuttle @ 296
Mumble, grumble – everyone’s a frickin editor, mumble, grump
Teddy @ 289
Yes, Rudy and Judy are both insane…and obnoxious. He made these types of over the top comments constantly when he ran NYC.
This whole iteration of his being “America’s mayor” is almost more than I can bear. As bad as Dubya is…cannot imagine living in a country with the Rudy/Judy “excess of evil” as the First Couple.
Ed*ard Teller @ 287
707! 1 c4n h4z fi5h?
TeddySanFran @ 292
lol
persiflage @ 301
A gold star for persi
Valley Girl @ 220
FDL Nuance? Are there rules? What fuckery is THIS crapola!?!?!?!?!?
Hey, if half the insanity posted in here is ok, then so are sports issues.
Yer killin me . . .
Kirk jumped on Al, and REAMED him. No need for that crap, whether he was right or wrong on stats and stuff . . . Kirk flipped.
Mitch went off in the deep end of the Isreali People V. LIKUD and the government issue . . and who are BAD according to many Isreali’s, and Jewish people I’ve read, themselves.
Mitch flipped.
But, they are all adults, and as such, must fend for themselves, as Suz and others have suggested.
I’ve been taken to task for grammar, supposed fallacies about Iraq and more in here, but I’m still posting, because when I WAS taken to task, it was bullshit . . . it was pure venom about a couple of things I misnamed and mislabeled . . .
But, It’s a free country, until they take it from you. And I won’t be letting NO ONE take it away from me, not the ReThugs, not the 1%er’s, not the fundie’s, and not the so called progressives who always seem to have a wick to burn when some shit don’t seem to suit THEM and their phreakin agenda.
Suzanne, and FDL for the MOST part, is wielding a MUCH lighter hand with respect to dissention among it’s troops, and that’s a good thing.
Without open discussion, we are no better than our worst enemies.
How BOUT my Oakland A’s!!!!!
PLAY BALL! GO NINERS!
Alas, The Raiders seem to flounder, yet.
*G*
Jane (nyc) @ 305
New Yorkers are killers. How did he survive?
He gets elected, and I’m heading for the border before they close it.
An educated opinion on Facebook.
TeddySanFran @ 308
No fair! She cut in line…!!! I’m bidding ya’ll another fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!
Jane (nyc) @ 304
My consolation, should it happen, will be that their Holy First Couple Images will likely not be available in Teh Camps. Pro-gay, my ass. He’s having a come-to-Jesus moment with the NRA, and I fully expect him to have a Nixon-to-China moment on us gays.
Tattoos, camps, pink triangles, the whole enchilada.
g’nite ct
suz ygm
twȝk @ 301
Oil development has brought more economic stability to Alaska than had existed before. It is still more “boom and bust” up here than most parts of the USA, but, especially in Southcentral Alaska where I live, the economy relies heavily on jobs provided by people who work the industry. The GOP has dominated politics here for a long, long time. Up until these recent scandals, people trusted their machine as being representative of what they obtained financially.
That is changing. Alaskans are running out of natural gas in the upper Cook Inlet fields close to the greatest population density. We want to continue to get natural gas, even though it has more than doubled in price this past year. But the reigning GOP leadership – that doesn’t include the GOP governor who is an insurgent – are two generations behind in figuring out where energy production and distribution goes next. At the same time, these fossil fuel dinosaurs are getting caught in stings which are resonating across the political spectrum.
I have no idea where things will next go.
CTuttle @ 309
Oh great, now Tuttle’s scuttled in a snit. Here, I’ll share the gold star with ya, you can have it Mon-Fri, I gets to show it off at night.
BigMitch @ 241
Aside from my points I posted in a previe thread to your posits, I’ll die to defend your rights to post scores, talk ball, and in general, smoke cigars, eat pickles from the barrell and fart and scratch in this general store of life provided to us all.
I hope my words in response to YOUR words, will be taken for what they were, and we can ALL move on to Football Season for crying out loud!!!! (my A’s and Gyro’s are so far gone, I’m almost slipping into the Jeter/Alex/Clemons thang).
HOW BOUT THAT BOSTON STARTING ROTATION!!!!
*G*
(come back Spook, please, this Larue really, really values your dialogue)
TSF @312
Sounds like you’ve got a pretty good idea of who the real Rudy is. “Their” presidency would be like a bad combination of the Fox news channel and TV’s worst reality show.
If you open up the gold star you will find chocolate inside that you may share.
My clean laundry is telling me that it won’t iron itself. Danged uppity clothing, I’d better go before all the sleeves tie themselves together and slide buttons into the wrong buttonholes. Of all the laundry in all the baskets in all the world, I get the activists. Obviously they spend too much time getting riled up by that Commie agitator in the washing machine. Tata, beloved Lakesters.
g’day persi
TeddySanFran @ 316
Me? Share chocolate? Shirley U Geste?
larue gets one of these…
Suzanne @ 256
???
Por QUE, Senorita Mod? I don’t always get these things . . . .
And taking off from Valley Girl’s dictitorials, is there a SET OF RULES we need to follow to be worthy of consent in here?
Or is it reallty one of the last bastions of freedom and the glorious free for all I relish, day after day . . ;-)
(loaded question, huh . . lol)
*G*
The Iraq war costs $12 billion a month when CIA expenses and Embassy costs are added in. Cumulative costs through 2008 pass the 600 billion mark which is more than the Korean war cost.
http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=13665
The Vietnam war cost 650 billion but given how badly things are going in Iraq I’m sure we will pass that last 50 billion to tie or exceed the cost of the Vietnam war
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w…..gear_x.htm
larue, i’m headed off to bed after a very long day – upthread, i commented to big mitch some of the things i consider when i am moderating and sports stuff comes up.
the biggest problem with sports is that sport talk, if left unchecked, can and has taken over the lake – 24/7 every thread will be full of sports stuff – happened about a week ago iirc – no matter who is posting, no matter what the topic is.
its more a good manners thing in my book – and on that note, i bid ya’ll a good nite
lolo @ 252
From Sacto, yes, that’s the word. I’m pretty sure Teddy San Fran has it too . . if not WAY before THIS post . . .
I’d like to see Bonds get 3,000 hits.
He’s in the hall any way you want to script it, like it or not. I’d LIKE to see him go with that hit mark, as well . . .
There were a couple of seasons back there, when he was IMPOSSIBLE to get out.
Then they started walking him.
And, despite a weak arm, he WAS at times a Gold Glove Fielder.
And he’s worked his ass off all his life to be a better player . . . like Jerry Rice did. All the rest of the issues pale for me, compared to his desire. He had desire.
That’s what motivated Ty Cobb and his nasty, that’s what motivated The Babe.
And don’t GET me started about the GREATEST hitter in all of baseball, Teddy BallGame. HE had desire, too.
Desire. And the discipline to transcend mere mortals of life and the games we play.
Where is that desire in our erected officials, other than in their wallets or in public bathroom stalls, or with rented sex professionals?
And with that, I tie it up, and say, Thanks FDL, Thanks Fellow Ranters/Rager’s, and especially, Thanks Suz, cus YOU get to see most of my insanity . . . and you treat it for what it is . . ;-)
Ed*ard Teller @ 312
Interesting stuff. Sounds like it is a bit of a bell weather for where things are headed nationally. I’m probably nuts but I really think part of dubyas legacy is going to be shift in opinion IRT the role oil used nationally.
E*M*T*C*M was am abreivation of the big long 5 dollar word persi used.
things come undone @ 326
And for what? Bush says he wants an ally in Iraq that “can protect its people,” and he says that the current Iraqi government is “an ally.” FWIW, I don’t give a shit who runs Iraq. I want our troops home and the spending to stop. Let the Iraqis work it out for themselves now rather than later.
Ed*ard Teller @ 324
‘Yer Killin Me’
I’m not sure how, but I just SENSE it . . . ;-)
I HATE ball caps . . .
But like many others, I LOVE to see my name in print.
Get yerself a cold on me, hoss . . . and thanks for the plug . . . ;-)
Oops! Does s-h-i-t get you moderated now?
~~~Released. A hard-refresh will show your comment.~~~
wigwam @ 333
depends on how you shovel it. these mods are awesome….
President Bush claims that he got a B in Economics 101 but he got an A in tax cutting. Hmm on what planet! Frackin Harvard just a rich kid’s diploma mill!
If the war costs 600 billion thats $600,000,000,000 that money has to be paid for.
The American population right now according to the web site provided in the link said our population is at that time 302,938,097 people http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Divide 302,938,097 into $600,000,000,000 and you get the TAX Bush will have stuck every man women and child with the answer I got was $1,980.60 please feel free to check my work I barely passed math.
I always fail when I try to grasp the concept of the 20th and 21st century wars being worth a penny, let alone what they’ve cost. We’ll never know how that wealth might have been better used.
Suzanne @ 327
Oh.
Hokay.
Back to the tip of the cap and all. MA’AM!!! *G*
I never have seen that, about the sports, so, I wouldn’t know . . . but if folks are gonna stoke the fire, I think it’s OBVIOUS that some phreakin irony is gonna come down . . . not that I’d mention names (but the initials are VG) . . .
Are there any OTHER rules we can find posted anywhere? (ironic smart ass comment)
*SWEETLY G*
Sorry, don’t forget, the nuns at Les Oiseaux in Saigon kicked me out of Kindergarten long ago in ‘55 or so I think it was . . . that was after they made me stand in a closet for chasing fire engines down the boulevard.
I JUST wouldn’t sit still enough for them.
*G*
Bless FDL and da pups one and all.
May we continue to live in interesting times amongst each other . . .
And a hat tip to Yom Kippur and all the herring and sour cream!!!!
Seriously, as religious holidays go, may this one on the Jewish Sabbath be the best ever for all who worship it, and may it be full of the peace we all want in our prayers.
Namaste.
(bowed head)
things come undone @ 326
I guess this is low estimate.
Ed*ard Teller @ 335
Well, in an indirect way, we will. But it will be a work of imagination, and the losses may take until after we are gone to realize.
And those are just the fiscal consequences.
wigwam @ 331
What we get is a “Return on Success” my question is will the return on success cover the money cost of the war? I don’t think it will.
Now as a fellow bleeding heart liberal I don’t want any war, but thats me. Its the GOP I’m trying to convince in an argument they understand MONEY.
After all the American people are angry they won’t accept new taxes for a failed war. But I’m pretty sure they would favor a huge tax on rich people.
I’m sure they would support Nationalization of the Big Oil companies to squeeze them of every drop of profit to pay for the war they supported.
I’m sure the American people would favor a tax on the Big Media companies TV,Radio,print etc that supported this war even if a few of them go bankrupt.
People and companies guilty of war profitteering should have all their corporate and personal assets siezed ie Halibutron and the Carlyle group.
The political backlash from another war begun on false pretenses that we loose after so much effort will be huge especially if Bush keeps neglecting the economy and devaluing the Dollar.
newtonusr @ 339
et bows in the direction of newtonusr
fucking optimists are almost as bad as the sports nuts, eh?
Ed*ard Teller @ 336
It seems clear that we could buy Iraqi oil cheaper than it’s costing us to steal it.
Saudia Arabia has refused to cut its interest rates in lockstep with the Federal reserve for the first time ever! Are the Saudis taking the first step to unlink their money from ours?
http://seekingalpha.com/articl…..r-collapse
things come undone @ 340
What the hell kind of exit strategy is “return on success”? It’s “do or die,” just like Hitler at Stalingrad. An arrogant fool who has gotten his pride involved and is willing to sacrifice his military to avoid retreat.
things come undone @ 343
Yup! Wouldn’t you?
Suzanne @ 327
Nighty night Suzanne, thanks for the bread pudding it was delish…
Ed*ard Teller @ 339
For those of us without kids, we can only imagine what “it” will be like. Tier-priced toobz, a draft, more disasters like Nola, a new class system, a planet full of angry fists shaking at America, catastrophic climate, etc.
I feel for parents.
How’s that for optimism?
wigwam @ 342
ding!
I dig Compared to What…
..so how bout some Fela…Music is the Weapon…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq7IPEJiRI8
wigwam @ 340
And just how are Shooters business partners supposed to loot the treasury in that event?
I won’t give them props, but they’re not afraid to go big.
newtonusr @ 347
That just cheers me right up!
Wigwam @ 345 The Saudis might unlink their money from ours Kuwait already did in May and the United Arab Emirates may be next.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com…..y/Business
Now what happens if the Arabs start pricing oil in Euros after they unlink their money from ours? If that happens then the price of oil goes up if the Euroe goes up compared to the Dollar, and/or the price of oil goes up. We would then have two independent variables to deal with that could raise oil prices.
I wonder if this is what the Saudis are ussing to blackmail Bush into keeping troops in Iraq and prevent Iran from taking over? Bush has always treated the Saudis with a surprising amount of respect consideing how many of them were on planes on 9/11.
newtonusr @ 349
Isn’t oil traded in USD? I forget the name for it off-hand. Isn’t a lot of the desire to control the oil an attempt to keep it from being traded as Euro?
lol, jinx things come undone!
bah, brb, need quick sys maintenace
twȝk @ 350
Lots of rumors and more about the decision to launch on Iraq being based on the assumption that Saddam would begin trading in Euros. But IANAE.
twȝk @ 353
Arrgh! I’ve been Jinked!
Maybe I can find a Voudoo Economics chant to repeat over and over again to make the jink go away.
Hmm lets see “read my lips no new taxes”, no that won’t work, “They stand up we stand down” Mission accomplished” “the Iraq war will pay for itself” Dang none of these chants work….even if you repeat them over and over again for six years they don’t work.
Oh wait I don’t believe in Voudoo Economics or that bad luck can touch me!
“You’re working hard to put food on your family.”
Chimpy, January 27, 2000
yeah, a lot of this sh?t just goes over my head, eyes glaze over… i dunno
newtonusr @ 358
707!
Makes as much sense as the other which is really sad.
mornin
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morning raven. quiet here.
hey raven!
I posted this earlier this eve for TRex, but you might be interested as well.
water supply in Atlanta:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-986783
Not new news but the Hopi are having water troubles.
Valley Girl @ 366
Yea, mrs raven is a fanatic gardener and she is really bummed on this drought. We are going to try to capture bath water and such.
I saw the tv news again they are all saying how the Democrats gave up but the Left is pushing the Dems so hard to the left that they can’t make a comprimise with the GOP to end the war.
70% of the people want to end the war you MSM hacks! We are the center Heck we are the majority. Its the right wing 30%ers and Bush who are pushing the GOP not to comprimise!
Lets define some terms for the MSM 70% is a majority it is more than 51% which is the bare minium needed to be a majority. 70% is the center why because 70% is more than 66% or 2/3 which is the majority that Congress needs to override a Presidential veto.
So if the House and Senate were doing their jobs and expressing the will of the people in the same proportion that voters do about ending the war the war would be over.
Considering that the war is the most important issue to the majority of voters and has been for months what are they waiting for?
http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/874 This device might work to get you water it seems simple to build.
Morning all. Since my house is on the market, I have been trying to water weekly on Sat. before 10. After hearing about Lake Lanier, I decided to forgo that. Somehow I would rather have water for drinking and bathing.
things come undone @ 369
But isn’t that what the DLC is for? To lead the party to the center?
JPL @ 371
Athens has a total ban.
To day is onewebday.
Ola, Pups.
twȝk @ 374
Looks like fun if your in NYC
tw3k @ 372 The center has moved Left back when Bill Clinton was in charge the DLC postions were the center but things change.
Sob! I used to be so proud to be a Lefty but today I’m a moderate I might as well buy a suit and tie (more sobs)!
The DLC has not changed with the times they are still competing with the GOP for the 30%er vote.
They are still trying to trianglate their policy postions between the left which is the new 70% majority postion and the 30% hard core Bush vote. Why because they assume they will get the lefty vote because we have no alternative and they hope to get the independent vote. Now granted this plan worked for Bill last time.
The problem is the country is polarized around the big issues now, so there are not many independents. The country is very motivated and interested in the issues which results in there not being to many independents.
We just have to work harder to educate our people about DLC postions on issues. The DLC is GOP lite!
retirin’ in five @ 375
What’s up you old goat!
Good morning pups!
egregious @ 379
EG, word.
morning Egregious
Raven — if I wanted to start the morning with insults, I’d still be married to the first wife.
And you’re a fine one to talk, bro — I believe you’re a couple months older than me.
Just had a little thunder shower up here. Hope you GA-folks get some relief soon.
retirin’ in five @ 382
Just wanted to see if you were awake! I think some folks have some kind of fancy “auto poster”. Our shot is weak here and there is zip in site. .
Morning Egregious.
Need more coffee before I’m fully awake. Mornin’ EG.
retirin’ in five @ 385
Our bakery doesn’t open til 7, I’ll load the critter in the truck and head up there to see what the farmers marketeers have today.
Good morning, pups. The Times has Gail Collins (who’s managed not to be odious today, so she’s not TOMC) writing on women and civil rights, and Bob Herbert writing on the California plan to redistribute electoral votes. He calls it poisonous.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got banana bread just out of the oven. Hold out your cup, retirin’ in five… Do you take cream or sugar? We’ve had rain the last two days, so my jasmine is happy. I don’t know if it’s covering the rest of the state, but we’re heaving sighs of relief.
Marion in Savannah @ 387
Not one drop here in Athens for a week. Do you have soy milk and splenda?
Thanks Marion. Black.
things come undone @ 377
I had thought that Bill had moved the country right. I was more willing to take to a centrist view at that time and have always avoided politics like the plague. i’ve never been good at politics, tired to avoid, don’t really understand it, sob! with you, etc.
Taking more time to view the landscape I really disagree with DLC and I think their GOP lite stance is detrimental to democrats. I dunno. What ever the hell they are doing it makes no sense to me.
raven @ 383
707! I’ve thought that myself.
Raven, I couldn’t live without Splenda! No soy milk, though. Sorry…
More Cowbell
Marion in Savannah @ 392
NP, I read this horrible article about “Big Soy” in the Utne Reader. NOTHING is good!
Hey raven, things, JPL, retirin, and oh my is that banana bread? Thanks Marion. Yo twȝk. Waving hi to mack.
Confessing ignorance here — where do you pups find that little square box in tw-square-k’s name?
tw3k @ 390 I agree Bill took us further right on a lot of issues his idea of trianglation between the left and right to get middle of the road independents was a Right Triangle.
Now stop being modest about not understanding politics we all come here to listen and learn from each other as well as talk.
You ask good questions and bring up interesting points the desire to learn and understand what you don’t know instead of assuming that you already know everything is what makes for a good commentor and President.
“70% of the people want to end the war you MSM hacks! We are the center Heck we are the majority. Its the right wing 30%ers and Bush who are pushing the GOP not to comprimise!
Lets define some terms for the MSM 70% is a majority it is more than 51% which is the bare minium needed to be a majority. 70% is the center why because 70% is more than 66%”
WOW! A mathematical genius. The FACT is 100% of the people want to end the war, the problem you have is how many want to end it by winning and how many want to end if by surrendering.
Polls are not elections and this is not a pure democracy. The Left’s problem is they want to win politically by calling people names, tearing down their character, claiming their motives are bad, etc. etc.
I have yet to hear a leftist make a rational argument for their position on just picking up and leaving the country. I’ve heard them tell me Bush lies, Petreaus is a traitor, Cheney bathes in crude oil, etc. etc.
The fact is Bush got the votes for the war resolution without attacking any Americans, the Democrats have not been able to do that because they alienate any republicans who may want to sympathize with their position and come to a workable agreement. The war resolution pass with over 70 votes, therefore it couldn’t be filibustered, the Democrats have not even attempted to mount a similar campaign to get the votes to rescind the war resolution.
Simple fact is, they don’t want to, as long as the war goes on, americans die, the public wants it to end and they elect more Democrats, that’s the democrat goal, they could care less about actually stopping the war. let alone defeating the enemy.
egregious @ 395
Hi EG!
And thanks for the reads Marion.
retirin’ in five @ 396
In your account settings if you’ve registered on the site.
Any words of wisdom for a soon to be single person? It’s gonna be strange after being in this for 32 years. It’s amicable, all the kids are grown. Sigh.
Just look at what the Democrats have actually done since taking office, not what they have said. They approved funding for the surge, they approved manpower for the surge, they voted for Petreas who’s plan is the surge. They have more troops in Iraq then the Republican Congress ever had.
twȝk @ 399
Thanks. Much I don’t understand about this tubes thingie.
egregious @ 400
go dancing
things come undone @ 397
Sure is a right triangle! We need to introduce his democratic sect to a protractor!
Ah well, your kind, thanks. I think I was drawn here, initially, because it reflects my values as a technology user. Open Source, Open Dialogue sort of thing where the whole is a sum of its’ parts with an honest exchange of ideas. I’ve always enjoyed learning and FDL is both inductive of an honest exchange and inclusive. All of that kinda rolls over into morals and, what I think is, politics.
retirin’ in five @ 401
No problem! Did it make sense?
things come undone @ 402
Stick around for Late Late Nite ;)
egregious @ 400
No idea. I’ve never been married and havn’t been in a relationship for a while. Don’t turn into a sloppy bachelor(ette)!
twȝk @ 404
Well, yes and no. What does Registration get me that I don’t already have? I’ve always assumed it means I’ll be getting unwanted emails — not from FDL or the pups — but from others who somehow copy my address during the process of registering.
tw3k@ 403 ” FDL is both inductive of an honest exchange and inclusive. All of that kinda rolls over into morals and, what I think is, politics. “
Honest exchange inclusive concerned about morals the dynamics of this group mind and how we decide things by getting everyone’s opinion argueing and then coming to a conclusion should be studied.
I thought TRex said something about writting a book he is in a great postion to study how a groupmind functions at the Lake. Plus it would be of interest for the future of democracy imagine if everybody debated issues on blogs first before voting? Imagine everyone taking the time to research issues of concern to them because they wanted to sway the debate and look smart.
Imagine me being the first person to buy a book that explains the groupmind I’m still awed by how fast we can find a new topic research a new issue and then debate it.
retirin’ in five @ 407
Registering gets you the little blue F if you want it :) You seem to get a little more control over your moniker but other than that I don’t really see a difference.
I wouldn’t worry too much about someone intercepting your e-mail, just use the one you post with now or a free one like gmail.
Gmail is pretty good at catching spam if you don’t use that.
egregious @ 401
Pass them on to me. We decided to separate so I could keep health insurance. It’s not a fun situation no matter what.
Oh. It means register for Facebook — not register for FDL. Gotcha. Thanks.
egregious @ 401
You could try this I’ve been meaning to go myself sometime http://drinkingliberally.org/
egregious @ 400
Stay positive. Give it time. Be patient. It could be the best thing that ever happened to you but it won’t seem like it at first. At least that was my experience although it was after only thirteen years and I was mid-thirties.
Egregious, Although I would love to pack my bags and move out of the Atlanta area, I personally feel that it’s important to stay put for at least a few years. My ex and I have been drifting apart for years and were in the process of divorcing when he got colon cancer. Even though the divorce was his idea initially, I knew that he would need support for at least a year, so we waited. Financially it hurt me though.
Lurking at FDL helps me, plus I’m fortunate to have wonderful friends.
morning all, no coffee for me, must atone.
anyway, check this out, tpm was able to acquire the methodology petreaus used for his supposed “statistics”
one of the obvious ridiculous requirements are anotated by tpm like so;
is this guy serious?
anyway, you can read more on their analysis plus a copy of the pdf here
perris @ 418
So the PURGE of names is working, not the actual surge.
JPL @ 416
Is your EX on the Lake maybe having people to talk with might raise his spirits and help him recover faster.
things come undone @ 414
I’ve been thinking going to a “drinking liberally myself, does anyone go to one around long island?
is there one in long island?
things come undone @ 408
It would make a fascinating study and I’d happily download the book ;) I certainly can imagine this as model for active participation within a democracy and I could sit here for the rest of the day reflecting on and imaging the possibilities. good food for thought :)
things come undone @ 420
He’s doing great, works full time etc. He’s always been self-focused and with that type of personality it aids in going through the months of treatment. He’s fortunate because along with me and our sons he didn’t have to endure the hours of chemo alone.
perris @ 418
” There are lies, Dammed lies, and Statistics” Mark Twain Lying to Congress gets you contempt of Congress if only our Congress had a spine!
Petraeus is lieing to us
Good Morning, Firepups!
It’s comfortably cool and hazy this mroning in central Jersey. We’re getting a real summer day today with a high in the mid 80s — perfect for the town festival Mr. NJP is going to with one of his peace groups [not our town, but one nearby]. Then a visit to the hospital to see his mom, the extended care facility to see his dad [he got transferred from the hospital earlier this week]. Me, I’m off to the office later this morning to finish up two reports and get started on a proposal.
Iced coffee is in the fridge, and there are fresh bagels and cream cheese. For our Jewish and Muslim Lakers, it’s a day of fasting.
My wish for all — peace and justice.
retirin’ in five @ 411
Oops, my fault. To be honest facebook is really pretty boring. I think it is over hyped and too full of little nick-nacks.
JPL@ 423 Thats good but take remember to take care of yourself too ok.
things come undone @ 427
Thanks.
Feds target Blackwater in weapons probe
The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Raleigh, N.C., is handling the investigation with help from Pentagon and State Department auditors, who have concluded there is enough evidence to file charges, the officials told The Associated Press. Blackwater is based in Moyock, N.C.
Good morning!
perris @ 418
That link you showed should be Move On’s next ad!
Lying about how well a war is going with bogus statistics a high school student wouldn’t believe to the President and Congress is Treason SO MOVE ON WAS RIGHT.
The Senate should be ashamed and vote to pause and reflect first before voting to condemn any American’s freedom of speech!
Pause and Reflect Consider before you act instead of being led like an animal through a hoop with fear of pain/terror this could be our motto.
We Lefties are better than animals.
By the way, Jeremy Scahill (author of “Blackwater”) is on book tv right now.
C-Span 2
ccmask @ 429
Why is Blackwater giving terrorists in Iraq weapons? Never mind killing Iraqi civilians giving weapons to groups that kill Turks who are our freaking Nato Allies our friends since the cold war is beyound stupid. Is this offical American policy?
things come undone @ 432
Well, if Iraqi’s don’t have weapons, how can they fight us? It’s bad enough they don’t have uniforms….oh, wait. They do have uniforms. Civilian clothing.
things come undone @ 432
Keep pulling that thread. Turns out it’s one gigantic möbius strip.
The lovely Christy Hardin Smith is inviting us all to Pull Up a Chair
Do you know what got me this week? Bush asked the UN World Heritage Committee to take our River of Grass (The Everglades) off of the endangered list. No one knows why. (Oil??)
Everglades uproar brings change
A Senate hearing looks at how a U.N. list was altered.
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration has changed its procedures for trying to remove U.S. sites from a United Nations list of endangered special places after the Everglades was struck from the list this summer, a State Department official said.
Gerald Anderson, a deputy assistant secretary at the State Department, made the statement at a hearing held Wednesday by Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., into how and why the Bush administration asked the U.N. World Heritage Committee to remove the Everglades from its list of endangered environmental sites.
“We’ve assessed the reaction to the decision, and we understand there are some concerns that need to be addressed,” said Anderson, who admitted to being surprised that the Everglades was removed.
At a meeting in New Zealand in July, Todd Willens, a deputy assistant secretary at the Interior Department, persuaded the World Heritage Committee to take the Everglades off the list, despite recommendations to the contrary by the National Park Service and the committee’s science advisers.
Nelson said he wants Willens fired, something the Interior Depatment is unlikely to do. He fretted that any false suggestion that the Everglades is healthy, such as its removal from the U.N. endangered list, could sap political support for continuing the cleanup.
Poopalooze @ 398
How many more years to win? How much money will it cost? Look up thread for my comments on how much it will cost each and every American.
As far as tearing people down and calling them names hmm Swiftboat Vetrans smeared Kerry’s war record, but they had no connection to Bush. That story about John McCain fathering a black child that was spread around before a state primary vote no connection to Bush. General Shinski having to retire because he said we needed more troops in Iraq well ok that directly had Bush’s finger prints.
General Petraeus lying look at Perris’s comment @ 418
Now about the Left’s logic well I think we have a slight problem wining a war if if we are fighting in Iraq when Ossama is in Pakistan?
I also think we could cut off all Al Quieda funding by buying everyone a hybrid car and creating a demand driven drop in the price of oil. Oil profits go down Ossama loses funding and Iran can’t afford to buy anymore nuclear technology.
The left has no logic you and Bush can fight for 100 years in Iraq and never defeat al Quieda because Ossama is in Pakistan all we are doing in Iraq is making more enemies.
TeddySanFran @ 98
Was anyone planning to? Just changing Presidents isn’t going to be enough. Too much has gone bad for too long for any one person to get everything fixed. So while we relax about having a President who isn’t a nut, there will still be lots of stuff to work on.
Blub @ 81
This maladministration keeps surpassing itself. Just when you think they can’t “possibly get more obscene than this,” they plunge ever lower. Among the horrors that await us in the near future is vetoing SCHIP, that is, if they don’t manage to sabotage it before it gets to the veto stage. Our president cares most tenderly for embryos and fetuses and believes that government must protect them. No others need apply for help or protection. Babies, children, the poor, the sick, the old, the disabled, our troops, the foreign civilians caught in the crossfire of our pre-emptive warring–let ‘em fend for themselves.