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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-985306</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post - keep up the fight!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-984511</link>
		<dc:creator>Zippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This story is heart-wrenching, but the argument doesn’t hold.  There is “they”, “we” and “you” in this triad.  They are the management and ownership class that is well organized to keep power/$$$ tightly held.  We are the “legal” workers in the economy.  Legal doesn’t mean that _our_ work rights are not being savaged and compromised by the “they” class to further consolidate the chokehold.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look at legal or illegal worker vs. CEO salary ratios, not the legal worker vs. illegal worker wage ratios.  The people getting away with this economic clear cutting of the working class would just as well see us at each others throats.  As a member of the “we” class, I have been told point blank, if you won’t do the work for the wage, we’ll get somebody in Bangalore (India) to do it for less.  That’s blackmail.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Legal vs. illegal is a fight over bits of flotsam, while they sail away in yachts to the next economy they to savage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;During the French revolution the g*ns were pointed in one direction; the direction of the elite that had plundered the public treasury and destroyed the lives and fortunes of the lower and middle classes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wakeup!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story is heart-wrenching, but the argument doesn’t hold.  There is “they”, “we” and “you” in this triad.  They are the management and ownership class that is well organized to keep power/$$$ tightly held.  We are the “legal” workers in the economy.  Legal doesn’t mean that _our_ work rights are not being savaged and compromised by the “they” class to further consolidate the chokehold.</p>
<p>Look at legal or illegal worker vs. CEO salary ratios, not the legal worker vs. illegal worker wage ratios.  The people getting away with this economic clear cutting of the working class would just as well see us at each others throats.  As a member of the “we” class, I have been told point blank, if you won’t do the work for the wage, we’ll get somebody in Bangalore (India) to do it for less.  That’s blackmail.</p>
<p>Legal vs. illegal is a fight over bits of flotsam, while they sail away in yachts to the next economy they to savage.</p>
<p>During the French revolution the g*ns were pointed in one direction; the direction of the elite that had plundered the public treasury and destroyed the lives and fortunes of the lower and middle classes.</p>
<p>Wakeup!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Crosby</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-983120</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The story is true, and yes I was vague about some specifics and the name of the company to protect the workers.  Any union organizer can tell you stories like this, especially if they deal with immigrant workers.  In an earlier organizing effort I was involved in, the car preps at Enterprise Rent A Car, saw the mostly immigrant workforce outsourced to another company (without even the wages and benefits we were trying to improve at Enterprise) when they went public with the drive.  The NLRB threw out our charge against Enterprise since we could not prove the motive for the outsourcing.  Workers of any kind, have very little protection when they try to organize–which is why we are fighting for the Employee Free Choice Act.&lt;br /&gt;
The only way to deal with this is to extend organizing rights–to everyone.  Otherwise we keep racing to the bottom.&lt;br /&gt;
-Jeff Crosby&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story is true, and yes I was vague about some specifics and the name of the company to protect the workers.  Any union organizer can tell you stories like this, especially if they deal with immigrant workers.  In an earlier organizing effort I was involved in, the car preps at Enterprise Rent A Car, saw the mostly immigrant workforce outsourced to another company (without even the wages and benefits we were trying to improve at Enterprise) when they went public with the drive.  The NLRB threw out our charge against Enterprise since we could not prove the motive for the outsourcing.  Workers of any kind, have very little protection when they try to organize–which is why we are fighting for the Employee Free Choice Act.<br />
The only way to deal with this is to extend organizing rights–to everyone.  Otherwise we keep racing to the bottom.<br />
-Jeff Crosby</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Crosby</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-983080</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-982870&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;CMike @ 73&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jeff Crosby writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The night before I heard about Walter from my daughter, I had met with a group of Lynn Guatemalans who wanted to organize a union. Their story is important to anyone who thinks a massive crackdown on undocumented workers will improve conditions for the rest of us. I’ll call the company Avaricious Inc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The day after word spread of the raids, 60 percent of the workers did not show up on the job. So Avaricious called a temp agency. They paid less than the regular employees received-top rate after 10 years was about $14 an hour-and of course, no benefits. Now the workers expect Avaricious to lay many of them off and use the temp agency permanently.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I take it these events really happened and this “upcoming column” is informing us by telling true stories rather than by telling &lt;i&gt;sort of true&lt;/i&gt; stories. If so, why has the actual name of the company involved been changed to “Avaricious Inc.”? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suppose by not mentioning the company’s actual name Mr. Crosby might think he is protecting the organizers. Then again how many companies in Lynn could there be that are both employing such a work force as he has described and transitioning to a work force of temps? Maybe there are several but I would think not many. So what is the actual name of “Avaricious Inc.”?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-982870"><em>CMike @ 73</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Jeff Crosby writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>The night before I heard about Walter from my daughter, I had met with a group of Lynn Guatemalans who wanted to organize a union. Their story is important to anyone who thinks a massive crackdown on undocumented workers will improve conditions for the rest of us. I’ll call the company Avaricious Inc.</p>
<p>The day after word spread of the raids, 60 percent of the workers did not show up on the job. So Avaricious called a temp agency. They paid less than the regular employees received-top rate after 10 years was about $14 an hour-and of course, no benefits. Now the workers expect Avaricious to lay many of them off and use the temp agency permanently.</p>
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<p>I take it these events really happened and this “upcoming column” is informing us by telling true stories rather than by telling <i>sort of true</i> stories. If so, why has the actual name of the company involved been changed to “Avaricious Inc.”? </p>
<p>I suppose by not mentioning the company’s actual name Mr. Crosby might think he is protecting the organizers. Then again how many companies in Lynn could there be that are both employing such a work force as he has described and transitioning to a work force of temps? Maybe there are several but I would think not many. So what is the actual name of “Avaricious Inc.”?</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus B. Ochoa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-983079</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus B. Ochoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am not as disturbed about Tula’s (in Spanish, “Tula” is the nickname for Gertrudis - Gertrude) being bumped or epu’d - &lt;strong&gt; it’s the paucity of comments, informed or otherwise, when the topic is immigration.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have noted this whenever Marisa (Latina Lista) or others post here about immigration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do not have a thin skin, but I still recall back in the ’50s when I was told by a liberal politician of some standing that we “Mexican-Americans” didn’t understand the system, and, that at bottom, we really didn’t know what was good for us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seems to me that in somewhat similar fashion,    there is a gut reaction among too many liberals that the situation of these “illegals” doesn’t merit any sympathy, much less understanding. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am effing frankly fed up. I know damn few border people who believe there is a crisis of immigration beyond the ongoing tragedy of thousnads of people drowning or baking to death in the deserts - all for the crime of not being able to wait 12 years or better to enter legally - and all for the crime of wanting to work because they cannot support their families in their countries &lt;strong&gt;due in huge measure to the wars we sponsored, or the poor and middle class Mexican farmers we bankrupted in the name of free trade.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The local story de jour involves the white sheriff of Chaaparral, Otero County, New Mexico, a small community but a few miles from El Paso. This racist buffoon, through his goons, just got caught going door to door (to return a lost dog, to inquire if someone called the sheriff - the bastards are truly creative) and asking brown skinned people their immigration status. Kids have been pulled out of school, people summarily deported. That’s another side of the real tragedy, and the result of liberal indifference in no small measure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But don’t worry, some of us are beginning to wake up, and the moderate voices of people like Marisa and others may soon be the stuff of history.      &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry for the double posting, but my old fingers sometimes outrun my slower brain.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not as disturbed about Tula’s (in Spanish, “Tula” is the nickname for Gertrudis &#8211; Gertrude) being bumped or epu’d &#8211; <strong> it’s the paucity of comments, informed or otherwise, when the topic is immigration.</strong></p>
<p>I have noted this whenever Marisa (Latina Lista) or others post here about immigration.</p>
<p>I do not have a thin skin, but I still recall back in the ’50s when I was told by a liberal politician of some standing that we “Mexican-Americans” didn’t understand the system, and, that at bottom, we really didn’t know what was good for us.</p>
<p>Seems to me that in somewhat similar fashion,    there is a gut reaction among too many liberals that the situation of these “illegals” doesn’t merit any sympathy, much less understanding. </p>
<p>I am effing frankly fed up. I know damn few border people who believe there is a crisis of immigration beyond the ongoing tragedy of thousnads of people drowning or baking to death in the deserts &#8211; all for the crime of not being able to wait 12 years or better to enter legally &#8211; and all for the crime of wanting to work because they cannot support their families in their countries <strong>due in huge measure to the wars we sponsored, or the poor and middle class Mexican farmers we bankrupted in the name of free trade.</strong></p>
<p>The local story de jour involves the white sheriff of Chaaparral, Otero County, New Mexico, a small community but a few miles from El Paso. This racist buffoon, through his goons, just got caught going door to door (to return a lost dog, to inquire if someone called the sheriff &#8211; the bastards are truly creative) and asking brown skinned people their immigration status. Kids have been pulled out of school, people summarily deported. That’s another side of the real tragedy, and the result of liberal indifference in no small measure.</p>
<p>But don’t worry, some of us are beginning to wake up, and the moderate voices of people like Marisa and others may soon be the stuff of history.      </p>
<p>Sorry for the double posting, but my old fingers sometimes outrun my slower brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Arnie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-982882</link>
		<dc:creator>Arnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Late to the party but would like to add a bit of family “wisdom” which goes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It costs the same to fence a quarter out as it does to fence a quarter in.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The import is in the implications, if you can figure them out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As always, a marvelously presented post - illuminating. All the best….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the party but would like to add a bit of family “wisdom” which goes:</p>
<p>It costs the same to fence a quarter out as it does to fence a quarter in.</p>
<p>The import is in the implications, if you can figure them out.</p>
<p>As always, a marvelously presented post &#8211; illuminating. All the best….</p>
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		<title>By: CMike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-982870</link>
		<dc:creator>CMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeff Crosby writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The night before I heard about Walter from my daughter, I had met with a group of Lynn Guatemalans who wanted to organize a union. Their story is important to anyone who thinks a massive crackdown on undocumented workers will improve conditions for the rest of us. I’ll call the company Avaricious Inc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The day after word spread of the raids, 60 percent of the workers did not show up on the job. So Avaricious called a temp agency. They paid less than the regular employees received-top rate after 10 years was about $14 an hour-and of course, no benefits. Now the workers expect Avaricious to lay many of them off and use the temp agency permanently.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I take it these events really happened and this “upcoming column” is informing us by telling true stories rather than by telling &lt;i&gt;sort of true&lt;/i&gt; stories. If so, why has the actual name of the company involved been changed to “Avaricious Inc.”? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suppose by not mentioning the company’s actual name Mr. Crosby might think he is protecting the organizers. Then again how many companies in Lynn could there be that are both employing such a work force as he has described and transitioning to a work force of temps? Maybe there are several but I would think not many. So what is the actual name of “Avaricious Inc.”?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Crosby writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>The night before I heard about Walter from my daughter, I had met with a group of Lynn Guatemalans who wanted to organize a union. Their story is important to anyone who thinks a massive crackdown on undocumented workers will improve conditions for the rest of us. I’ll call the company Avaricious Inc.</p>
<p>The day after word spread of the raids, 60 percent of the workers did not show up on the job. So Avaricious called a temp agency. They paid less than the regular employees received-top rate after 10 years was about $14 an hour-and of course, no benefits. Now the workers expect Avaricious to lay many of them off and use the temp agency permanently.</p>
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<p>I take it these events really happened and this “upcoming column” is informing us by telling true stories rather than by telling <i>sort of true</i> stories. If so, why has the actual name of the company involved been changed to “Avaricious Inc.”? </p>
<p>I suppose by not mentioning the company’s actual name Mr. Crosby might think he is protecting the organizers. Then again how many companies in Lynn could there be that are both employing such a work force as he has described and transitioning to a work force of temps? Maybe there are several but I would think not many. So what is the actual name of “Avaricious Inc.”?</p>
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		<title>By: Mellifluous</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-982754</link>
		<dc:creator>Mellifluous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Updated Niemoeller: “Whatya gonna do when they come for you…”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Updated Niemoeller: “Whatya gonna do when they come for you…”</p>
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		<title>By: kyledeb</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-982679</link>
		<dc:creator>kyledeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for highlighting this Tula, I feel like FDL is the only progressive blog that is defending migrants as they become the punching bag of the right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for highlighting this Tula, I feel like FDL is the only progressive blog that is defending migrants as they become the punching bag of the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Brisingamen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/20/they-got-walter/#comment-982615</link>
		<dc:creator>Brisingamen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-982567&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;BigMitch @ 63&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Some of the anger we direct against her should be held in reserve. There are still plenty Republicans in Congress.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will not vote for “that woman.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She wants our troops to stay in Iraq. Her health plan is as bad or worse than the current mis-mash we’re blessed with… She is a Republican in sheep’s clothing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Angry, by Goddess, yes I’m angry! Pity we can’t light a fire under this do-nothing Congress. (Democrat or Republican, if you won’t damn well lead, then get the hell out of the way.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-982567"><em>BigMitch @ 63</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Some of the anger we direct against her should be held in reserve. There are still plenty Republicans in Congress.</p>
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<p>I will not vote for “that woman.”</p>
<p>She wants our troops to stay in Iraq. Her health plan is as bad or worse than the current mis-mash we’re blessed with… She is a Republican in sheep’s clothing.</p>
<p>Angry, by Goddess, yes I’m angry! Pity we can’t light a fire under this do-nothing Congress. (Democrat or Republican, if you won’t damn well lead, then get the hell out of the way.)</p>
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