This MacLean’s cover story is probably the most clear-eyed and spin-free analysis of the situation in Iraq that I have ever read. It figures that you have to go to Canada to find writing this trenchant and penetrating about the mess we’ve made over there.
The American media on the whole would apparently rather rely on White House propaganda and DoD-sponsored Dog and Pony shows than to actually go to Iraq and realistically assess the situation.
It seemed to be typical of the recent over-hyped success of the Anbar Awakening that you would have to fly from Baghdad to Damascus, and then drive six hours back across the desert, to get only 40 minutes outside Baghdad in order to see it for yourself (you could go with the U.S. Army as well, but you learn mostly about Americans if you are with Americans and end up sounding like a visiting columnist for the New York Times).
Are you listening, Michael O’Hanlon?
The author, Patrick Graham, has been traveling to Iraq since well before the invasion and the picture he paints of a nation in chaos is unlike anything you have ever read from American bobbleheads about the war. It details the antecedents to the “Anbar Awakening”, which had nothing to do with the “surge” and everything to do with political expediency, and is still merely a loose coalition of enemies of each-other’s enemies.
The Sunnis who are cooperating with us in Anbar aren’t doing it because they love America and Americans (in fact, they hate us), but because they hate the Shia militias more than they hate us, and the sense is that they will go back to their previous role as anti-US insurgents as soon as they gain a military advantage against the Shia.
Ironically enough, this has placed the US military on friendly footing with the very Saddam loyalists we were trying to rout out in the early part of the invasion, because (mistakenly or not) now the US military sees itself as engaged in a quiet, dirty war with Iran.
Graham:
It’s unclear whether the additional 30,000 troops that make up the surge have had much effect on the Anbar Awakening. But watching Gen. Petraeus, I was struck by how familiar his words sounded. The general talked like every Sunni I’ve ever met in Iraq—hell, he sounded a bit like Saddam. The old tyrant would have had one of his characteristic chest-heaving guffaws watching Petraeus as he intoned the old Baathist mantra about the dangers to Iraq: Iran, Iran, Iran…It seems that Petraeus and Bush have come to the same conclusion as Saddam: the main enemy is Iran, and you can’t govern Iraq without the Sunni Arab tribes, even as you encourage anti-Iranian nationalism among the Shia. This is what Saddam did during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, and what Washington is trying to do now. One of the main problems with this strategy is that both the Sunni tribes and Shia nationalists are profoundly anti-American and don’t trust each other—a potential recipe for further disaster.
As most everyone knows now, the invasion was flawed from the beginning and US war planners completely neglected to bear in mind the complex realities of the tribal and ethnic tensions extant under the surface of calm imposed by the brutality of Saddam’s regime. The “thinkers” in favor of the invasion fell prey to a massive failure of the imagination and a cockiness bred by previous US successes in the Balkans:
We subsequently saw Iraq through a Yugoslav lens, but Iraq is not Yugoslavia. Instead, it has been balkanized by many of the journalists, intellectuals and diplomats who cut their teeth during the “invade and aid” strategies of the 1990s. Western journalists and intellectuals love a three-way civil war. It is a deeply satisfying morality play and makes everything simple—Bad Serbs, Good Bosnians, and Croats allied with the West. Or in Iraq’s case, Bad Sunnis, Good Shias, Kurdish allies. The easy trinitarian logic of the Balkans was applied to Iraq, even before the invasion, by advocates for the war on both the right and the left of the political spectrum.
But one of the most damning assertions of the article is that al-Qaeda in Iraq is largely an American invention.
The American role in the promotion of the terrorist organization is not some mad conspiracy theory, but a well-documented attempt by the U.S. government to demonize the insurgency and make it appear to be the central front in the war on terror. This was as great a mistake as disbanding the Iraqi army, which the U.S. did in May 2003, or perhaps even greater, since it led to the sectarian downward spiral that has destroyed the country.
(…)
But rather than come up with an intelligent counter-insurgency policy, reach out to traditional tribal social structures and try to understand why American soldiers were getting killed, U.S. military leaders did what Americans have gotten very good at doing in the last few years. They made up a story, which they repeated on the news for U.S. domestic consumption—and then started to believe themselves. In this story, evil foreign terrorists led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a chubby Jordanian freelance terrorist, were setting upon the popular U.S. Army. AMZ, as the U.S. Army jauntily called him, existed, but he was a minor figure unlikely to get much of a following on his own in Iraq.
He was a thoroughly marginal figure, but the more the US media obediently beat the drums about al-Zarqawi, the more disaffected Iraqis joined him, and his movement gained in strength and credibility. We made him a hero, and consequently added to our own growing throngs of enemies.
The article is long (six pages, which is about four pages more than even “serious” US periodicals seem to be willing to devote to the topic), but well worth it. That is, if you have the stomach for it.
Going back to Iraq is like sitting through a depressing Scheherazade, 10,001 Nights of Horror Stories. Everybody had them. Do you want to see a picture of someone’s 10-year-old boy, chopped up in pieces and put in a cooking pot because his parents couldn’t pay the Shia militia’s ransom? Here, look at the burns on my body, inflicted by the bodyguards of the Sunni politician who sold my eight-year-old son and me to al-Qaeda. Let me tell you about being kidnapped in Falluja by a gang that pretended to be al-Qaeda—they made me drink urine and had a fake beheading studio where they set up mock video executions to scare us into raising ransoms. As a friend of mine kept saying over and over—“Where do they get these people? What kind of a person does this? Where do they get them?”
Sadly, these stories are true, while so much that is said about Iraq is myth and delusion. As the famous American war correspondent Martha Gellhorn wrote about armed conflict, there is “the real war and the propaganda war.” During the congressional hearings about the surge, I kept thinking of Tattoo on Fantasy Island, half expecting Ambassador Crocker to tug on Gen. Petraeus’s sleeve and say, “Look, boss, da plane.” Smiles, everyone, smiles!
Sigh. Welcome to Fantasy Iraq-Land. It’s a place we should know more about, really. We broke it. Now we own it.
Or, perhaps more correctly, it owns us, and it will for generations to come.



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Evening all.
God, I hate baseball.
free speech…
TRex!!!
Yes sir!
impeach!
Fitz!
TRex!!!
EPU’d from downstairs:
Breaking From Al Da Spook:
Gates Wants Independent Inquiry Into Minot Nuclear Weapons Lapse.
The money quote of the articles is that “at least six” nuclear weapons were sent to Barksdale inappropriately. Ouch.
And yes, this is moonie stuff but I’ve found some of it quite reliable on military matters.
Oh, and ArmsControlWonk has just claimed he has “rock solid proof” the Syrian attack by the Israeli fighters was to take out a shipment of conventionally armed SCUDS. I have withdrawn my last Ratiocinations post to absorb his info. I still stand by my theory for now, though. I’ll repost when I have The Ducks in Teh Row.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled screwing by Teh Democrats. Oh and they want you to pay them for doing it. Isn’t that special?
tonight, instead of a dive, i’m giving ya’ll a peak to life behind the backstage curtain here at the Lake
However, I love TRex and Maclean’s.
OT – Trex, will you please write about the Jena 6 for tomorrow? Please…..
Evening all. LL ya better call out the Fire Department, the Therapod’s on fire tonight.
excellent post tonight TRex.
Hhhhhhmmmm @ 11
second that.
lol DrD, good idea!
Suzanne @ 9
Hmmmm. I have had those days before.
Everybody remember this is the 502th post by Teh Therapod. There are advantages to being 65 million years old.
A day of one disappointment after another. I wanna just go in the bathroom and puke my guts out.
Suzanne @ 9
I see you have met my brothers!
Suz, that vid. is great — and you all have way too much fun behind that backstage curtain! ;-)
Great post, TRex. But I’m so damned sorry it had to be written.
TRex, 504 makes me physically ill – what has been done in my name – in our names.
Thank you for this post that is hard to read, but must be read.
Hhhhhhmmmm @ 11
Suzanne? Could you shoot me a quick email?
Suzanne @ 22
It’s just so nice that Reid thinks the Senate has time to waste on Cornyn’s games with this going on.
Bustednuckles @ 23
done
EvilDrPuma @ 24
I’m going to say a word I don’t say often — it was a total fucking waste of time.
Suzanne @ 9
Oh my word, that was nasty. Nasty, nasty boys.
LoudounLib @ 26
I’m going to say the same word, because it’s one of my personal favorites–fucking right it was!
Holy Fuck Department: From EmptyWheel At Next Hurrah:
Howie Kurtz Gives Reasons Rather Is Suing Now:
n an earlier piece, Kurtz reveals why Rather decided to sue. Rather investigated the PI who was purportedly hired to complete the investigation of Bush’s record. And he discovered that the PI was actually out investigating him and Mapes–and had determined the documents to be authentic.
Asked why Rather would sue more than a year after leaving CBS, Gold said the former anchor was “a bit appalled” at new information he said had emerged involving a private investigator, Erik Rigler, who was hired by the network during the 2004 controversy. Rigler, a former FBI agent, “was trying to dig up dirt on Dan and Mary Mapes,” Gold said, declining to elaborate.
When CBS came under fire over the story, Gold said, Rather told Heyward he wanted to hire an investigator at his own expense, but Heyward responded that CBS would retain such a person. Gold said, again without providing evidence, that Rigler concluded that the Guard memos were authentic and the story accurate. He was interviewed by the Thornburgh-Boccardi panel, which accused Rather and CBS of a “myopic zeal” to rush the story to air five days after obtaining the disputed papers.
Reached by phone, Rigler declined to comment last night.
And in Kurtz’ later piece, Rather explains a little more about Rigler.
Here Rather wades deep into the weeds, talking about how a private investigator he hired dug up information on a “mystery man” — an ex-FBI agent retained by CBS to look into the story once it came under fire. Rather said the network ignored this consultant’s allegedly supportive findings and more recently, accused the former anchor of “harassing” the man.
In the aftermath of the 2004 segment, Rather said, he wanted to keep investigating the Guard story himself, but CBS executives “shut it down.” CBS, for its part, was trying to obtain an independent assessment at a time when Rather’s reporting was under attack.
For Howie Kurtz, “deep in the weeds” generally means “Howie doesn’t understand.”
So here’s what appears to have happened: Rather told CBS he was going to pay for an investigation himself. Instead, CBS paid this guy Rigler to do so. Since then, Rather has hired his own PI (PI squared, as it were),
He said he hired “a team of people,” with “money out of my own pocket,” to investigate CBS’s handling of the story that led to his downfall as anchor.
…Who discovered certain things about Rigler: that he basically found the documents to be authentic, that he told the committee investigating the story as much, but that somehow that never made the report. Oh–and just as important–that Rigler was investigating Rather and Mapes.
Elsewhere, Rather talks about doing this to get people under oath. I’m wondering whether he’s thinking of Rigler … or Moonves.
LoudounLib @ 26
I am afraid that despite all our hopes and expectations after the elections, Congress has turned into a giant circle jerk.
marymccurnin @ 27
All the mods have to put quarters in the jar.
“It figures that you have to go to Canada to find writing this trenchant and penetrating about the mess we have made over there.”
No, you don’t–you can come to FDL Late Night.
marymccurnin @ 27
(laughing) knew i could count on you to appreciate it’s finer points :)
I guess now we’ll be having a “We Really, Really Hate Macleans” vote in Teh Senate?
There’s a reason why i go to CBC.Ca get my news most of the time nowadays. Minimal to almost no spin(beyond the usual in any country), and the press is allowed to say what needs to be said.
Thank’s for filling us in on this one though. *grins* That cover is priceless.
Hhhhhhmmmm @ 11
I’ll see what I can do. So many people are already covering the story so well.
But for now, you can donate to the Jena 6 legal defense fund.
Suzanne @ 9
Uhoh, Ma Cheri, don’t let the other mods see that…!!!
A visiting columnist for the NYT! BWAAAA! I had to post my laugh. Now back to read. (I coulda been #24 if I hadn’t started to read in the first place.)
Mandela is dead. Junior said so.
Does one not find that terrifying on many levels?
jayt @ 34
Maybe Bush will invade Canada. No, wait, that’s not how he does it. He’ll invade Finland.
watch out, EDP, here comes another one:
My brain just aches from all of the fuckery today.
CTuttle @ 37
(whispering) I’m the blonde and the Lurking Mod is wearing red
LS @ 39
Who else does he think is dead? And who does he think killed them?
Is it the medications or is he flat out becoming delusional. Remember that ammendment about removing an incompetent (medically speaking) president….?
LS @ 39
Yeah, WTF was that all about?
That may be my Late Late Nite tonight.
Nice post, thank you for sharing this article. It’s sad that our own MSM is complicit in this war and can never tell the truth.
Suzanne @ 25
Yes!!
Thanks for this article TRex.. I can tell I will read it a few times.
neurophius @ 32
Now i do *grins* Now i visit both here and CBC.Ca.
EPU’d…
The GOP stunt with moveon today may have played with thier base but so what. The Independets are going to make or break them and they aren’t buying what Team BushCo and all those joined to the hip (Yeah, that’s YOU Cornyn!) are selling.
Update: Big Dog on the Daily Show, and the crowd goes WILD! LOL. C’mon Bill, stick it!!!
Suzanne @ 9
Dang, you guys are wild back there!
Suzanne @ 9
I need to program that into my alarm clock!
althespook @ 43
He’s a bonehead that reads a script that he doesn’t care about. He doesn’t care. He is clueless.
LoudounLib @ 41
You are far from alone on that one.
TRex @ 44
If there was ever any evidence that Bush is a sick-in-the-head puppy, this is it. The guy is certifiable.
althespook @ 43
You gotta catch him first. And you just know Bush has politicized his own medical care.
Something I have been wanting to say about the whole MoveOn resolution is that none of it really matters. It’s just words on paper, peddled by pompous gits who don’t know their ass from their elbow. We already know that Congress is a bunch of addle-headed, ass-faced clowns. The question is really how many of them we are going to need to take out in November of 2008.
I see I’m not alone in feeling extra pissed today. I worked a long day, and come home to one of the most depressing news days in a long time (and that’s saying a lot with what we’ve had to endure over the last 6 years). Fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck! I honestly can’t wait to get out of here, I need breathing space from the cesspool formerly known as the U.S of A.
LS @ 52
I hope so. I know he is dyslexic and that hampers his responses in some way. But do any of us think that if Bill Clinton had made such a ridiculous statement in a public presser the MSM would not be all over it demanding a psych exam and invoking “unable to carry out the duties” ammendment? I didn’t think so.
For my own part, I think he’s genuinely delusional.
OT: Hey! I got quoted on TPM for like the second time ever. I’m “Reader JE”.
I wonder if Nelson Mandela will come out with a statement refuting his demise.
Great points T Rex it is true that we cannot expect to get the real news here in the states. The internet is an incredible tool to access far more info what a blessing if we use it to read diverse and opposing information and views.
Today David Gregory did try to ask some important questions but he was shut down by Bush’s “no comment” two times “no comment” about the Israeli attack in Syria.
The fact that David Gregory was shut down with this “no comment” was barely discussed in the blogosphere. (at least everywhere that I was looking). Telling.
The MSM is sure not showing the American public the death and destruction in Iraq on the evening news. Oh a few pictures of burned out buildings and cars along with the humvees on the streets in Iraq. “Most” Americans really do not want to see what the consequences are of the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq.
Breakfast with Turdblossom
http://www.motherjones.com/moj….._dinn.html
TRex @ 56
fucking a, dood! every fucking one of em, no matter what fucking party the fuckers belong to.
No. More.
TRex @ 56
You’re right, I know, but it just burns my britches all over again every time those bastards kick us in the teeth for our support.
EvilDrPuma @ 55
oh yeah. along with everything else.
TRex @ 56
You’re right but on reflection it seems to mean that now Moveon can do what the fuck they want. They are now clearly NOT a Democratic front group. That will give them far more independence no only to attack Rethugs but also Retrodems.
TRex @ 56
Well, it is pretty clear that Reid and Pelosi have to go, along with much of the leadership. If they will not act, we need to replace them with people who will.
Redshift @ 59
Major Props, Dude! (is that the correct netspeak now? In my day we would have said, “Groovy, Daddy-O!”)
Evening everyone. This day started bad around midnight last night and has only gone downhill from there. Due to domestic excitement around here I have only been able to catch snippets of the posts today, none of which improved my outlook one bit. Even so, it is all vital information and I am grateful for it.
Richmond @ 54
On meds? Wacked out? Delusional? Evil? Take your pick. Consider history so far…deliberate evasion of the truth – Liar?
I donated to MoveOn today and it felt great. Nobody else is going to get donations from me, at least for now.
If I had the money I would go to Costa Rica and open a small restaurant. My life would be simple, free and happy like when I was 19. I won’t take my computer either. I would take books. Lots of books and a good camera.
Maybe I just need a vacation from fuckery.
Bustednuckles @ 23
good idea Hhhhhhmmmmmm
LoudounLib @ 60
To quote S. Clemens, “Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”
althespook @ 58
They definitely would’ve torn Bill a new one… (by the way, it’s amendment, not ammendment, you did it twice in your comments!)
LS @ 69
How about all of the above?
DrDick @ 73
Or he could do the “He has risen” bit. Might go over well in some places. In point of fact, the man *did* rise from the dead in terms of South Africa. Still can’t believe that happened.
Redshift @ 59
Congratulations, Kudos, and right on!
btw, I recently suffered a loss of all my bookmarks and wonder if you still have the link to some great maps I shared with you a long time ago?
DrDick @ 73
I was kind of thinking that way ;-) Mandela has a sense of humor and I’d bet he’d say something along those lines.
LoudounLib @ 70
I did, too, and it felt really satisfying. I have been donating to Edwards but I e-mailed the campaign that I expected him to make some sort of statement on the Move-On ad. We’ll see.
CTuttle @ 74
mmmmmy mmmmm key is sticky! :)
althespook @ 76
Good times. ::sigh::
The whole thing today reminds me of one of Teresa Nielsen Hayden’s lines:
And if we have to start a new political party, I want the symbol to be a locomotive – so people understand we can run over donkeys and elephants both. Call it the Highball Party, and let them find out it isn’t a cocktail party.
EvilDrPuma @ 81
proof that despite all the fuckery, it is not wrong to hope.
Music hath charms … ?
Boy, I hope so. I am severely in need of some soothing tonight.
Here are a few guys who, unlike the Democrats in the Senate, are highly competent in their chosen profession: Tony Rice, Mark O’Connor, Jerry Douglas, and Sam Bush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0nWbnrBf-s
LoudounLib @ 78
Almost as bad was the shrub’s comparison of the convicted crook Chalibi to Mandala. Hunh??? WTF!!!
The media AND Bush have given Moveon the Bullhorn. Be careful what you wish for, said the spider to the fly ; )
P J Evans @ 82
The Progressive Party. The Locomotive was the greatest progress every made in America until Teh Toobz. Autos were a distant second in terms of their impact on daily life.
Richmond @ 85
OMFG! Did Boosh mention Chalabi today? Please please let that be true. I so Luuuuurrrves being right i does….
marymccurnin @ 71
How soon can you get packed? Lets go! ; )
LoudounLib @ 60
LOL
Cozumel @ 86
ATTACK!
Great post, TRex. Excellent summary of the article-saves me time from reading it.
This is probably one for the, “duh” file, but everyone here at the Lake sees the crisis we are in, the lack of planning that took place, and what we as Americans will be facing for decades to come. But because we are reasonable citizens who place the United States citizens, and the idea of the United States, on such a high pedestal that we cannot believe others would do things anathema to those ideals. But when I watch the Bushies on television speak of the war, and all do it with a straight face, I have come to realize the awful truth: Iraq thus far has been a success for the Bushies.
Invading Iraq allowed the Bushies to achieve four main goals: (1) Kill Sadaam for his backstabbing in the 80s, and trying to kill papa Bush, (2) create an enemy, an evil empire that likes we have never seen, in order to promote their causes, and as Rick Santorum said on Fox Noise tonight, the Democrats are responsible for Bin Laden’s bravado in releasing his tape because we are being seen as weak on terror, and (3) establish a garrison in the Middle East, and secure as many oil fields as possible, and (4) which summarizes the first three, create such chaos that we will have to be engaged militarily for decades to come, thus shifting the political spectrum so far right that HRC is a democrat, and perpetuate the “Republican” party like Rove envisioned. We are kidding ourselves if we think the ‘06 elections did anything to stop that. All and all for the Bushies, Iraq has been a resounding success.
althespook @ 83
But also a reminder that you have to fight for that hope and there is a price to pay.
Cozumel @ 86
I see what you’re saying, but MoveOn is the only entity that seems to be speaking for me right now.
If MOveOn now has more money (and members?) than NRA, how come we don’t have any where near their power in Congress? Just asking.
DrDick @ 93
but worth it when you win.
On meds? Wacked out? Delusional? Evil? Take your pick.
Put me down for today’s performance being simply hung-over and surly.
Or bug-fuck crazy.
Tough call.
burns, that is some damn fine tuneage there!
“addle headed, ass faced clowns”!!! –zing! has a nice rythm to it, too.
Glenn Greenwald had this to say:
also a new post from your friend and mine, Arthur Silbur at
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/
althespook @ 96
And the only way to win.
promised cute animal post (cute guy is extra!).
Cozumel @ 86
Lots and lots of free advertisement!! Brilliant work, MoveOn!!
althespook @ 8
Thanks for the link. Can you imagine if Syria, Iran or any other country in the neighborhood flew into Israel’s airspace?
It would really be something if Mandela was indeed dead.
Richmond @ 95
If MOveOn now has more money (and members?) than NRA, how come we don’t have any where near their power in Congress? Just asking.
Being heavily armed has its advantages…
At a top-secret meeting of Wall Street financial Mandarins a couple of weeks ago, an alternative banking system was revealed to be waiting the wings, all set to go, in case the Federal Reserve Bank crashed and burned.
It was thought that the U.S. Treasury might serve the banking interests of the American people a bit better than the present, private FED Bank, owned lock, stock, and barrel by a board of international financiers.
jayt @ 105
Being heavily armed has its advantages…
Move On does not buy congress critters with their money.
jayt @ 105
Being heavily armed has its advantages…
…and the NRA carries a whole lot of concealed Congresspeople.
Richmond @ 95
They do have that much power which is why Bush thinks he shut them down today.
Cornyn’s resolution served as both a “shiny object” distracting us from the failure of the Webb amentment, and a Scare Tactic towards other newspapers and magazines NOT to take any more MoveOn ads.
Kathleen @ 103
THAT’s my point. Nobody is saying squat about this. Even with ACW saying he has the goods, I’m suspicious. My own source at the beginning was disgusted, saying a long-planned op was scuttled by a trigger happy jet jockey. I still have no reason to doubt that source. So I still think this was an aborted tac nuke raid on Natanz.
EvilDrPuma @ 107
Excellent.
DrDick @ 100
Hey, Dr.Dick, are you a Ph.D in linguistics?
Here is a quick question, how many repiglican senators are currently under investigation by the FBI? When Stevens is finally charged and FORCED to resign how will his seat be re-filled?
What a bunch of dweebs:
Oh please effing spare me your bull on why you ran away, Smith. You’re far more afraid of Bush and his gunsels than you are even of losing your seat next year. You and your fellow “good Slytherin” alleged-moderate Republicans were planning to fold all along, even if Bush hadn’t given you all the extra bludgeoning:
Get Tough @ 92
What? Is that what Man-on-Dog said? That makes no sense.
Get Tough @ 112
Nope. Cultural Anthropology.
ccmask @ 104
It would really be something if Mandela was indeed dead.
Well, *I* don’t want to be the one to have to break it to him…
Fuckery. TRex, thanks for posting about truly awful stuff, both what is happening in Iraq and MSM reporting on it. Truly a bad day.
This evening tho, *HAPPY SNOOPY DANCE* i’m screamin’ cuz my son-in-law is half-way thru (at least, i hope!) his tour of duty in Bagdad and im’d my daughter a few minutes ago from airport in Europe, will get 18 days at home. I’m sitting here with the tears streaming down my face. FUCK! My precious grandson will be so excited to see daddy. FUCK. How many Iraqis are grieving lost grandchildren, children, parents, siblings. FUCK!
Richmond @ 95
Is that true, that they have more members than the NRA? I want it to be true. I also gave to MoveOn today when I signed their petition.
promised cute animal post with cute girl (gender parity is a must here at Teh Lake).
The Jena 6 is leading off Nightline tonight.
Kathy/Fozzetti @ 110
Yet they’ll air FreedomWatch ads? I don’t think TV cares much as long as the check clears.
Peace
{{{{ ndfg }}}} that is so great about your son-in-law!!
LoudounLib @ 98
Thanks. I’m just getting warmed up.
Is this the best anti-war song ever?
DrDick @ 116
That’s cool. I read your post about Native American languages dying out in Oklahoma and thought you may be, but anthropology encompasses that, too. If I could do it all over again, your profession would be at the top of the list.
I wish boosh would think i am dead – that way his minions would stop reading my emails, going through my credit card and banking transactions, and those folks assigned with monitoring my little neck of the woods could go investigate a real crime.
Kathy/Fozzetti @ 109
Welcome to the Homeland.
I wish just one congresscritter would stand up the next time the “homeland” is mentioned and say that this is not the “homeland” it is the United States of America, and they’d just as soon not refer to the USA in Nazi Germany termonology.
Irony
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 118
Thank god for the good news. My prayers it continues.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 118
That’s awesome NDFG!!!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 118
Best best news possible NDFG. enjoy your happiness, you’ve earned it. Grieving for others is appropriate but…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1aKt0lhtg
althespook @ 101
That is extra cute! Is that a relative of yours, Al? (Not the feline!)
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 118
Congrats! This is wonderful news for your family!
happy dance, ndfg, and more happy dance
LoudounLib @ 125
and hugs to your friend & her son!
Kathleen @ 103
I’ve refrained from bringing up the story about the so-called “meteorite” in Peru that sickened hundreds of families…nausea, skin lesions…hmmmmmmmm…Arequipa, Peru. Google it.
burnspbesq @ 125
Yes.
Loo Hoo. @ 133
madmommy @ 128
If a dem wins, Homeland Security must be changed to Homefront Security, or Department of Domestic Security, or something.
Suzanne @ 136
I can’t dance worth a damn, but I will engage in rapid random movement to join the celebration.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 118
That’s great! And may the second half of his tour pass safely, since it seems it must pass at all.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 136
Thanks! She’s still out in Seattle and is having a great visit. Looks like he’ll get leave in December to come back out east for the holidays :-)
Get Tough @ 141
Or disbanded. Was a bad idea from the beginning.
My school schedule hasn’t left me much time to blog about it, but I thought I should mention that the 21st is the International Day of Peace.
althespook @ 133
thanks spook, & everyone else. Don’t know why i’m crying so much, but the song is so perfect.
LS @ 137
Keeping track of it but the problem appears to be underground ammonia released by the impact. I believe this is altaplano territory and they are having permafrost melt issues, so tearing a hundred foot deep hole in the stuff is gonna release methane, ammonia, and lots of nice thawed pathogens…
It is important to remember that Andromeda Strain discusses a satellite DESIGNED to survive reentry. Anything inside or on the surface of a meteorite is gonna get burned away and blasted to bits.
If a dem wins, Homeland Security must be changed to Homefront Security, or Department of Domestic Security, or something.
Nope. Abolish that abomination.
althespook @ 121
Al, that is not a cute little animal. That is a chihuahua.
Cozumel @ 86
I agree. I think all the bitching is falling flat. Americans are no longer believing anything Bush says about Iraq. And, I think we’ve all become cynical enough to see this for the charade that it is.
If they did a poll asking if Petreus gave an honest assessment of the situation in Iraq, I think they’d discover that no one believed him.
Renee in Ohio @ 145
Dona nobis pacem.
burnspbesq @ 84
Along with The Bluegrass Album Band, and a few other lineups, those are my heroes. Man did Tony ever have a voice back then. Still, he’s The Master Of Tone and one of the greatest guitarists of all time . . . . Thanks for the link.
Ever see the series American Music Shop? LOTS of great shows on there, with the house band of Mark, Flux, and others.
ndfg, I should have clarified: my friend’s son is at Ft Lewis WA, and she flew out there on Monday to meet him upon his return. Anyway — she’s happy :-)
burnspbesq @ 126
This one isn’t bad either.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 146
One of the best. Ecclesiastes, of course. (Dad is watching over my shoulder and suggested it. he says hi.)
burnspbesq @ 145
Especially since it hasn’t done fuck-all to actually secure the country. Ports and borders still wide open, but you have to strip to your knickers to get on a plane. Everything George Bush touches turns to shit. Like Midas in reverse.
Gnome de Plume @ 148
We don’t do species chauvinism here at Teh Lake. All small animals are Teh Kyoooot. Selah.
althespook @ 148
DrDick @ 117
Bring lots of notebooks, a sleepingbag and booze. I have the number for the bail bondsman and several cats. You will be amazed at the flow charts you can do.
LoudounLib @ 125
Really, really cool.
LoudounLib @ 144
that is so excellent! My prayers will be with him. A good friend is Viet Vet & talks of the years it takes to heal inside. May his healing be rapid, and may his scars be few!
DrD, excellent song choice there too.
jayt @ 118
Well, *I* don’t want to be the one to have to break it to him…
Has he been seen today?
Get Tough @ 127
Native North America is my area of expertise and I am originally from Oklahoma (also got my Ph. D. there). Language loss, along with other aspects of culture loss, is a major issue for Native people. One of my colleagues hear at the University of Montana (with whom I also went to graduate school) works on language revitalization programs.
madmommy @ 155
Agreed on all fronts, but once something is constructed in DC, and offices are staffed, it is very difficult to disband it with a change of administration. If that were the case, the EPA, FTC (though it is congressional) and other agencies would have been squashed a long time ago, not just underfunded like they are now.
Suzanne @ 150
I’m with you on that, Most Awesome Mod in Da Universe.
althespook @ 158
If you’d come to the CenTex firepup picnic you would know why I say that. My animals are much more cute and furry, but just a tad bigger. ;~)
:::blushing::: thanks ndfg
Get Tough @ 166
Every great accomplishment begins as a wacked-out dream.
If you’re going to dream, dream big.
Suzanne @ 128
Welcome to the club. I have been on the list since the early 70s when I joined the National Indian Youth Council.
Gnome de Plume @ 166
I sprawl corrected. I do hope to show up this time. And we still need to get texB her furniture so you may have the dubious privilege of meeting me then.
DrDick @ 163
Keep fighting the good fight! Native American languages would be interesting to study/work with.
Time to go scavenge some dinner. Back in a bit.
althespook @ 156
Hi Dad!
Suzanne @ 167
We all feel that way about you suz. We just are too shy to admit it.
see ya burns, I’m out of here in a few — working my last weekend shift until late October. Woo hoooo!
althespook @ 175
What AK said. {{{{ Suz }}}}
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 173
he’s asleep again. But i’ll tell him hi for you when he wakes up again. (I have him here with me in The Den of Despair at least four hours a day, depending on his current health. Today was much better than the last three, almost no pain meds needed and lucid the entire day. Yay Us!)
LoudounLib @ 163
yes, thank you!
Congratulations, Trex. That’s superb commentary!
No. Americans do not “own” Iraq.
No more than Saddam did. Or the British Empire or the Ottoman Empire. So on and so forth.
It was not for the Americans to decide really much about anything in Iraq. In thinking or concluding that it was an American “right” to do so is where the problem began/begins.
Facts and Truths were two very early victims of our Beloved Deciders desire to invade Iraq and more importantly occupy Iraq for American ME political purposes,American ME militarism purposes and as recently revealed…Iraqs oil.
Fact and Truth remain/are victims repeatedly still.
No. Americans no more own Iraq then Americans own South Korea or ever owned Vietnam.
What Americans have done in Iraq and evidently seek to do with Iran as well would qualify as naked aggression,Hitler or Tojo style.
None of this American behaviour or conduct in ME affairs at any time these days suffering from too much(any?) light or reveal in WashDC.
Dressing down one of the few(evidently far too effective) progressive political purveyors in Amreica today..MoveOn… being more important.
Many Germans and Japanese of the WW2 era truly thought they were right and their leaders were right. It really was so for many,many Germans and Japanese.
Supporting the troops was highly regarded and encouraged and surely for good,loyal Germans and Japanese this was a obvious, correct response.
Questioning Hitler or Tojo or what the troops were doing or worse not doing surely was seen as “disloyal” and likely to end in bad ways.
Attacking Gen.Petraeus strangely now is being put into this same murky,dubious framing.
We Americans are on a road that is taking us all to places we seem quite blind to or about.
Good evening, everyone,
Suzanne @ 149
Second that. Why do we need a DHS when we have a Dept of Defense? Somewhat redundant, no? Nothing but another layer of bureaucracy that has been neutral at best and incredibly destructive at worst(witness FEMA). Get rid of DNI too; that’s like having another DCI. Restore the CIA to its traditional role(absent covert ops), that is, a clearing house for all US foreign intelligence agencies. Consolidate. Oh, and get rid of CIFA-or at least drastically curtail them. We already have an FBI.
“…I always fe-eel like…aomebody’s watching me-ee…”
althespook @ 176
*sputter* Say Wha…?!!!
The most ‘head-exploding’ moment in today’s presser was when Bush said that the dems were putting children’s lives in jeopardy because they haven’t passed a SCHIPP bill that he can sign.
They haven’t passed a bill he will sign because that would be jeopardizing children’s lives.
Hello to your dad, Al. How are his eyes these days?
In my nightmare tonight, Harry Reid will be standing on the pitcher’s mound at RFK Stadium in a Washington Nationals uniform. He will hang a slider to John Cornyn, who will hammer it deep into the night, and thousands of Jonah Goldberg look-alikes in Phillies uniforms will circle the bases until I awake, screaming.
RonD @ 181
Or change the name to what it really is: Geheimes Staatspolizei-Amt. (Secret State Police) usually known as Gestapo. And add the appropriate swastika logo.
OT and to add some levity at my expense-I nearly just did serious injury to myself. I went to let the pup out for a pit stop, and as I opened the back door a frog hopped in. And landed on my bare foot. I jumped quite high and made some sort of very loud noise and whacked my hip on the corner of the counter. Fortunately I was able to grab the broom, and in a few swipes presuade the warty thing back out into nature from whence he came. The dog spent the entire episode looking at me with a quizical look on her face. She thinks the frogs are great fun, and tries desperately to catch them. I fear I’ll be walking a bit stiff in the morning. The good news is the racket didn’t wake up my sleeping family. Which is a bit disturbing as the house is just not that big. Thank goodness it wasn’t an ax murderer at the door.
burnspbesq @ 126
Yes, yes. Thanks for that — a good note to say g’ nite on. Where are today’s Phil Ochses, btw?
burnspbesq @ 187
omg burns!!
LoudounLib @ 177
Goodnight, LL.
PLovering @ 106
Details? Background? Who? I have a hard time understanding what you are saying and a hard time believing what I understand.
Loo Hoo. @ 184
okay. we have to fix his teeth before we can even TRY to do the cataract surgery. Patience is a virtue they tell me…
Here’s another one I will dedicate to the Bastard-in-Chief and all of his soulless enablers.
burnspbesq @ 185
My advice is to drink one hell of a lot of coffee.
madmommy, that’s too funny — thanks for sharing ;-)
DrDick @ 171
The only list I’m on (that I know of) is the new one that shows everyone that buys OTC cold medicine. Really, what do they do with that list? I had to show my drivers license.
burnspbesq @ 186
Damn, Burns! What did you eat to give you nightmares like that?
LoudounLib @ 197
Have a good rest of the evening, LL!
ok all, I’m out of here. Thank you all for your excellent commentary, and thank you TRex for such a great post.
And it did feel good to say fuck a couple of times!
Suzanne @ 42
That did it! I’m off to Panera in the am w/my lap-top. Dial-up challenged here.
It sits in storage at the pharmacy for a few years adn then up in actual storage for another few years. AFter that? i’m not sure. They want to keep it in case someone actually makes meth with that product. Which is why the new rules are so bloody well insane.
LoudounLib @ 177
VACATION TIME FOR LoudinLib!!! Best ever, LL!
shootthatarrow>>> @ 181
“…but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship…the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
-Hermann Goering, 1945, from Nuremburg Diary.
althespook @ 194
How bad are the cataracts? In the days before kids, when I worked for a paycheck, I worked for an ophthamologist for over 10 years. It’s pretty easy surgery nowdays, though his other health problems may complicate things a bit.
solai @ 197
Give it to DEA. They will now be visiting you in the middle of the night with drawn weapons to shut down the meth lab you are running in your spare closet.
madmommy @ 187
My late wife was utterly TERRIFIED of rats. Never said why, she just was. One day we were walking our three dogs (black lab, elkhound, and german shepherd) at a nearby school and were returning to our car when an escaped pet rat appeared. It had a collar and a name tag and was very friendly; the dogs sniffed it and ignored it. Laura dropped her leash (the lab) and ran for the car (a large station wagon) and got in it and locked the door. The rat saw her and trotted after her. As it approached the ton-plus car. laura PUT IT IN REVERSE GEAR and backed slowly away fro the rat.
I managed to grab it and stuff it in my jacket. I then convinced her (it took ten minutes or so) to let me put the dogs in the car and get our our emergency animal cage we kept there. She drove the dogs home; i walked (about half a mile) with Teh Rat in the cage. At home, she called the vet for me (was not allowed in house with Teh Rat). Family came and got it, and she made me give them the carrier with Teh Rat.
As I knew what was good for me, I never said a word.
LoudounLib @ 199
Good night, LL.
RonD,
Re: “We already have an FBI”
I’m for Edwards but my one knock would be that he was a proponent for splitting the FBI into two groups (one foreign and one domestic) when he was a Senator and I couldn’t disagree more. Hopefully, that’s not the case anymore.
Disclaimer: I have a good friend at The Bureau
LoudounLib @ 200
Night LL. Hopefully your last weekend will be a quiet one. Ours won’t as it is homecoming weekend. I should add that I share TRex’s enthusiasm for college football.
Heading out, gang.
See you in a bit.
madmommy @ 204
the opthamalogical surgeon says he’ll be fine. It is a matter of not insulting (medically speaking) his body too much at once. Having 24 teeth out and your gum bones ground down is a significant insult any way you slice it. (Pun accidental.) We have to let that heal before we start slicing his eyes up.
Cute Animal Alert
Wally and Ted
G’night all. Watching Keith and praying I don’t have the same dream as burnspbesq.
DrDick @ 209
Agreed. A Big Ten school is a great place to be if you want to learn a deep loathing of the entire culture of college athletics.
DrDick @ 199
I just threw out a package of Kraft cheese snacks that were a color that cheese should never be.
The picture of Froggy came acourting is quite great; have to be careful of strangers at the door.
How do we begin to absorb all of the above? It sounds like we are about to bury the Dems after the great outcome of the Nov. contest. What’s happening? In the midst of this bad news, thanks for the top photo. With the moustache, the guy really looks like Hitler himself; or a young Smothers Brother. He will be such a BMOC when he retires to SMU to run his peace institute. How many more toys will he be given to screw up, ruin, dismantle. Like OJ, this man has not been held accountable for anything…then imposes his willful folly wherever he can. Tomorrow is Peace Day, however we celebrate or mourn. Good Night
madmommy – I saved a turtle today. It was trying to cross the road, so I stopped the car and took him/her to the other side. Had a guy stop and say thank you.
Fortunately it wasn’t a box turtle. It had a nice coat of algae on its shell from the stream it had just crawled out of. If it was a box turtle, I am not sure what I would/should have done. (just a joke. However if it was my favorite Texas senator I would have floored it.)
marymccurnin @ 212
The one on the right is second cutest dog in the world (after Token).
Disclaimer: I don’t have a dog. I am owned by a large persian cat named inky. she is currently on my lap asleep, her claws comfortably around my…never mind.
Al @ 208
You’re a very smart man. My step-sister also has a rodent phobia. A mouse ran up the leg of her jammies when she was a kid. I guess something like that could scar a person. I normally don’t mind the frogs we have. The big kid calls them tree frogs, they are tiny and green and kind of cute. When they come in I catch them in a cup and let them back out. This one was the size of a baby’s fist, icky brown and gray stripy and quite warty looking. Nothing I want hippity hopping about while I sleep.
that’ll do it, burns
DrDick @ 207
No kidding. When my husband wanted some cold medicine, I told him he’d have to buy it himself (fever and chills be damned). I didn’t want my name on that list too many times.
EvilDrPuma @ 215
Big 8 (when I was in college, but it has grown since then) will do that to you as well. If I hear “Boomer, Sooner” one more time I will hurl.
madmommy @ 219
my mom was terrified of horned toads to the point of catatonia. literally. never learned why. she only saw two in her life, and went inert both times. Fortunately friends were there to help.
solai @ 215
Good night, solai. Sorry for planting that seed in your head.
Suzanne @ 42
Well, this gives quite a new perspective to my mental image of The Lurking Mod, I must say….
Suzanne @ 222
Wait for tomorrow, I hope she does’nt work really close to other people.
WHEW!!
LoudounLib @ 201
Good Night LL! Don’t forget, we’re foul-mouthed fem blog commentors! Let ‘er rip!
althespook @ 213
Most definitely. Though I wouldn’t use the term slicing ;0). It’s actually a tiny incision that seals itself almost immediately. I had my eyeballs sliced 8 years ago, when I had L*sik surgery to correct near blindness.
mulligatawny @ 193
Article I, Section 8, Clause 5, of the United States Constitution provides that Congress shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof and of any foreign coins. But that is not the case. The United States government has no power to issue money, control the flow of money, or to even distribute it – that belongs to a private corporation registered in the State of Delaware – the Federal Reserve Bank….The Federal Reserve System was established by President Woodrow Wilson in 1913…The Federal Reserve is controlled by private banking interest and by Presidential appointment – but it is still a private organization and not a government entity. In 1913, President Wilson’s creation of the Federal Reserve System established a three-tier monetary system in the United States – the holders of money (public, government, business and institutions; the commercial banks that borrow from the public and issue loans; and the central bank or Federal Reserve that has a monopoly on the issuing of money. The Federal Reserve is technically owned by the commercial banks.
FOREIGN BANKERS OWN MAJORITY OF FEDERAL RESERVE
http://sonic.net/sentinel/naij2.html
althespook @ 225
sorry not being clear. what you saw was almost certainly a horned toad.
marymccurnin @ 214
smooch puppies!
Bustednuckles @ 227
i was talking about the cheese, busted!
madmommy @ 230
glad it worked for you. can’t stand the thought, myself.
mulligatawny @ 193
The Federal Reserve Bank is privately owned, and could well go bust in the present monetary crisis.
Another banking system would be needed to replace the Fed system. The banking system contemplated would be owned by the American people under management of the U.S. Treasury Department.
Cozumel @ 209
I would really like to see made public a list of how many alphabet-soup police and intelligence agencies now have law-enforcement powers inside the US, especially CIFA, since it can activate military assets.
I’ll bet there are dozens.
What does your friend think of the behavior of the FBI in recent years, re NSL’s, and domestic surveillance?
Gnome de Plume @ 219
HA! We have a few that live in the ditch out front. You should see them move when I get the mower out! Who knew turtles were so speedy?
marymccurnin @ 214
Mary, what kind of dog is the one on the right?
So was I.
marymccurnin @ 214
Awww! cuties!
Out too. Behave, fellers!
althespook @ 232
Not in MOLA! Where I believe madmommy lives. These guys live in the desert and used to be quite common here in Central Texas. They are endangered now.
Night LooHoo.
Good night, Loo Hoo!
That was supposed to be NOLA. Sorry.
Another oldie but goodie which has become relevant again.
Margot @ 239
Don’t know. I found him on the side of a highway.
althespook @ 232
Nope, didn’t look a thing like that. What an ugly creature, makes me wonder about he wisdom of Texas Christian using the horned frogs as their mascot.
madmommy @ 221
That was a toad. Great things to have in gardens as they are absolute hell on misquitos & other annoying minor republicans. They are very sensitive to pollution, so consider your property healthy. And, to my way of thinking, Blessed.
Gnome de Plume @ 243
Got me twice in one night. GDP. I may have to retire and take up walrus ranching.
Loo Hoo. @ 241
Nite, Loo Hoo!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 241
party time, gals
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 250
“mosquitoes and other annoying minor republicans…”
ROTFLMAO!
Yesterday I e-mailed Juan asking him if had a source for:
He just e-mailed me back with his source from the Independent.
althespook @ 235
It was actually pretty cool. I had assisted on numerous cases, so I knew the drill. Plus I got it for free, and even though my eyes were dialated I could tell immediately that my vision was better. There was a clock on the wall that I could not see before the surgery, but I could tell what time it was after. The next morning I was at 20/30 both eyes, and now am 20/20 in one eye and 20/25 in the other. The only down side is I can’t see squat up close, but that’s what I get for being over 40.
Loo Hoo. @ 242
G’night LooHoo!
And a little something for the metal heads in the audience.
DrDick @ 247
Good Gawd, ya’ll!
RockPaperScizzors @ 231
Yes, and they got the FED bill passed after hours in 1913 and now they would let go of it just like that? And some Wall St folks all of a sudden decide that the treasury is better, for whom? I just did not get that comment.
Sorry Al. I didn’t mean to be mean. Just straightening out a few things. (Like chihuahuas are NOT cute. . . she ducks as things are thrown her way.)
Have you gotten pix yet of the furniture Betsy might want?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 250
So long as he doesn’t come inside I have no problems. Another attempt at domestication though, and there could be trouble.
twȝk @ 255
Word I get is that Blackwater is toast. Not because the US wants it, but because the Iraqi police and army have said that the next BW goons they see get shot on sight. And the Iraqis mean it, they have had enough. I’m waiting for the first attempt to put a BW convoy into play to cover it on Ravings or Ratiocinations.
They may be the beginning of the end folks. we’ll have to wait and see.
The Iragi GOVERNMENT is powerless and corrupt. the Iraqi POLICE and ARMY have weapons, and the Iraqi PEOPLE have LOTS of weapons. In total, they outgun BW big time. As some fools may be about to find out.
Gnome de Plume @ 261
you aren’t being mean I’m being a dunce. And not yet, but as of today we found the back wall. We had begun to believe we had a PODS of INFINITE HOLDING (if you played D and D, and if not ask a kid and they’ll explain it.)
This is no joke, Blackwell has an airforce here in the US.
Small, single engine ground support airplanes. They also have the express written consent of all of the West Coast State governments for air space.
On top of the compound they want in California.
I don’t have a link right now , but it is way the fuck true.
And at this point,
{{{{{{{{ Firedogs}}}}}}}}}
G’night.
I gotta go to bed, didn’t get much sleep last night. Hopefully the big kid will be better tonight and we can all get some rest.
I’m going to call it a night. Let’s all hope for better days to come.
althespook @ 263
I always love it when Alfred brings flowers and good cheer.
:-)
Night Busted & MM. Keep your heads down.
Perhaps this will help us to shake our collective funk.
Hermanos y hermanas, bailar!
Celia Cruz, Tito Puente y Poncho Sanchez
waving g’nite to folks in qued up in the sudden rush to head off to bed
Me also. Good night, everyone. The best of all possible tomorrows to you all…
Night EDP. Keep hoping.
Nite, Sleepers!!!
I need to go tend to some other things before turning in for the night. I wish we had smell links like we have for visual stuff – I am off to remove the tags from two of my dogs’ collars to put them on the new ones I had to buy. The old collars are so foul that the animal clinic put them in a sealed bag when they cleaned up my pups from their all night party down at the river. I and the rest of the waiting room could smell the eau de skunk and goose poop as I carried the bag out the door.
Night RonD.
althespook @ 263
Yeah, I dunno what to say other than their behaviour reflects upon us all.
newtonusr @ 268
I AM NOT A NICE MAN. I have told you guys this repeatedly. Blackwater goons have, by extremely conservative count, killed about ten THOUSAND iraqis since they got the right to operate there. And wounded many times that. Against the million overall deaths we have caused in Teh Occupation that may not seem like much, but it does to me. Having them get blown away by the people they’ve been terrorizing is justice on the hoof, purest kind. Those who live by the sword die by it.
And more importantly, if we lose BW over there, the Oil companies can’t operate. What a shame.
madmommy @ 262
Out on the farm when i was a little ndfg, had a huge toad living in the ferns on north side of house. If light above back door on east side of house was left on too long on summer nights, clouds of bugs. Then ol toad would come out to feast. Occasionally he’d end up inside, we’d gently set him back out in the ferns. He was about the size of two clenched fists put together. Wait til your lil baby grows up! Think of the bugs he (or she, perhaps) will devour.
Another OT classic.
Bustednuckles @ 265
True. They are trying to build a firing range and training camp near San Diego. Christine Craft, a progressive talk show host, has a petition about it on her site. Here is the link.
Scroll to the bottom of the page for petition.
Hallo, hallo, hallo!
How are my fine feathered friends here at the lake?….
althespook, have you looked at this site called thespywhobilledme.com? If you have what’s the story on RJ Hillhouse anyway? She’s an interesting read but was curious what you’re take on her site was?…..
If you haven’t checked that site out, maybe it would be of interest….
madmommy @ 266
(((((( madmommy & family )))))))))) a restful & healing sleep for all!
LooHoo and Demi iirc have been keeping track of the proposed blackwater ca training facility – iirc, they brought up the subject when they visited issa’s office.
marymccurnin @ 248
Reminds me of my first dog, who adopted us and then had beautiful puppies. The most loving dog ever. I always wondered what sort of mix she was.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 279
heh, yeah, I luv them big ol toads. They are kinda budda or something.
ticktock @ 282
Dr. Hillhouse and I are acquainted via Teh Lake. She is The Real Deal. Highly reccommended by Al Da Spook. Buy her book. Visit her website often. Hire her to provide advice to your multinational (hey you never know!) :)
Al, when I heard about BW being kicked out by the Iraqis, I did think to myself that this could be the beginning of the end. The gods do have a sense of humor. So they may be helping out a bit here.
ticktock @ 281
dr. hillhouse hangs out here in the late nite comments when she gets a chance – we are very familiar with her and her new book, outsourced.
newtonusr @ 268
Yes, by contrast, teh fuzzy critters tend to be a real downer. Bummer, man.
Margot @ 285
He only weighs about 18 lbs.
Al the Spook,
Nobody said you were a nice man,being nice gets you a lot of grief in my opinion.
Put the word out, death to the machine.
althespook @ 278
Snark aside, I have to believe the assertions by the Pentagon, that there’s no rapid pull-out plan, are bullshit. If this happens (BW is toast), the civil war there gets a significant shot of adrenaline and scram will be the word.
RonD,
Re: “What does your friend think of the behavior of the FBI in recent years, re NSL’s, and domestic surveillance?”
We can’t talk shop anymore since this person has been with The Bureau. But this person is to the left of me voting wise, as I’m sure are others there ; )
twȝk @ 284
Brings back fond memories of my Okie childhood and the monster toads (kept nice and fat by the hordes of bugs that infest the place). Unfortunately we don’t have many amphibians here in western Montana. Have only seen one frog since I moved here.
burnspbesq @ 270
Thank you, burns! Tito Puente is one of my faves!
Gnome de Plume @ 288
My dad (the theologian) says that this is the reason humans should never take revenge, but let God do it. God is far far more subtle and nasty than we could ever be, and his revenge is untainted by self interest. He could quote several spectacular examples in the Old Testament but i’m too tired to dig them out now.
Bear in mind, i don’t WANT a bloodbath. I want everyone not from iraq to pack up and go home right now. If that were to happen magically, the sectarian violence would vanish overnight, because the government would be able to go after the real leaders in ways the us cannot do.
But if that’s not gonna happen, then at least let’s get the BW goons out. Having a few of them shot and injured/killed is a small price of justice delayed to achieve that goal.
BlackWater has it’s origins not far from where i live. Doesn’t help that i also live within driving distance of Alticor(oh wait,,they changed back to Amway again. bleagh.). Evil Empires in West Michigan.
The uncertainty of BW made the front page a few days ago here. Lemme dig it up. Probably because Alticor has so many jobs in that HQ in Ada, and of course Dick Devos(the next Shrub wannabe)is the husband of a member of the Prince family.
Yet another case of Follow The Money, and MI residents gave Devos the finger in the Governor race again. Granholm’s still in office, and she’s in a knockdown dragout with the state senate Rethugs over the yearly budget.
allthespook…
Well the weather is changing and I am hankering for a good read so I guess Hillhouse’s book “Outsourced” is next on the menu….
Was wondering if she was legit, thanks for the heads up…..
ticktock @ 299
Good spooks have to stick up for each other. There just aren’t that many of us…
many pups were hoping to get dr hillhouse on book salon to discuss outsourced but because she had to write it as fiction…
newtonusr @ 293
No I don’t think so. What is in place is a fall back to the Laager Bases (14 of them) and kill anything that gets near. The air force has spooky gunships and warthogs locked and cocked for just such a scenario. CHIMPY is an idiot. the guys running the show on the ground are not.
Good evening dear friends. Any room left in the hot springs area of the lake?
Bustednuckles @ 292
Been doin it all my life, as did my dad. America is a tough love, but we still do love her.
TexBetsy @ 301
Always room for you, Betsy. Ease on in.
althespook @ 287
Funnee….
Always good to have somebody give a credible a “plan b”——
TexBetsy @ 303
Wide open, TexB. We’re having extended discussions of why chihuahuas aren’t cute, how blackwater may be about to get blown away, and the fact that I’m not a nice man. Same old same old. :)
I’m going for escapist tunes for the rest of the evening.
Here’s one of the best.
Aswad, “Don’t Turn Around”
newtonusr @ 293
This is what worries me … one of my reading interests is military history & the thought of a poorly planned bottle-necked retreat …
I hope on the levels below peter-principle there are some wise souls who have carefully crafted a retreat plan, i doubt that Bushco would be willing to even consider such a plan might be necessary.
PLovering @ 236
I agree. It seems that the insinuation is the FED would hand back control if they are unable to prevent a worldwide monetary crisis, I’m guessing. “the original deal in 1913 creating the Federal Reserve Bank had a simple backout clause. The investors loaned the United States Government $1 billion. And the backout clause allows the United States to buy out the system for that $1 billion. If the Federal Reserve Bank were demolished and the Congress of the United States took control of the currency, as required in the Constitution”
http://sonic.net/sentinel/naij2.html
Here’s interesting news: Northern Rock has effectively been nationalised by the Treasury’s unprecedented guarantee this week to protect all deposits at the beleaguered mortgage lender.
‘They can’t go bust now,’ one banker said.
‘Were back to the 1970s.’ Details of the arrangement, published yesterday, revealed that the bank’s commercial paper has been entirely underwritten by the taxpayer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/mon…..tviewedbox
TexBetsy @ 303
For you, always.
DrDick @ 295
bummer, I would definitely miss amphibians if I was in an arid clime.
What nice friends you are! Anyone cook for late night? I’ve been busy.
burnspbesq @ 307
sounds good to me, burns
TexBetsy @ 313
No one! I had to get my own ice cream!
The world is spiraling in a headlong descent into madness and The Decider is all puffed up again after some hand-job rallies with a pack of sycophantic bloggers.
Bush has turned the world into his alcoholic, co-dependent household.
-GSD
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 309
Agreed. Planning it may be compulsory in the bowels of the Pentagon, but admitting it means Osama wins.
“We’re having extended discussions of why chihuahuas aren’t cute”
WHAT?????? They are SO CUTE! (And I don’t have one, just to be fair.)
Gnome de Plume @ 315
Oh no!
(save any?)
I don’t believe it! I can’t find the stupid article and it was a front page spread! *growls and goes back to looking*
Stupid GR Press.
RockPaperScizzors @ 310
It has happened a couple of times here after the S and L thing and before this one, under Clinton IIRC. Currency speculation, one of them was. A mid sized New York bank had most of the deposits of the upstate and new england banks overnight and lost em all when a currency spread went south. Greenspan got a call at 11 pm saying, “we need 9 billion dollars by 8 am or no bank north of Buffalo will open tomorrow.” Congress was gotten into rump session and ink was on paper by 4 am. The investors lost everything, but nobody else took a hit and there was no publicity except in a few banking circles.
Trouble is, you can only do that so many times. And Bernanke has said today the subprime crisis is MUCH worse than anyone thinks. And Saudi Arabia is unpegging from the dollar.
What happens when we try to sell treasuries and nobody will buy them?
” Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle
the Aryan brown.
For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and
he weareth the Christian down;
And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the
name
of the late deceased.
And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried
to hustle the East. “
-Rudyard Kipling, “The Naulahka”
The British know this. The Russians know this.
And, no matter “Shock and Awe”, and the power to “create our own
reality”, Fuckwad and his minions are being shown this. They just aren’t learning what it means.
TexBetsy @ 312
not me – i’ve been surfing the sofa cushions for enough quarters to cover my backstage peak fines.
DrDick @ 295
one of the joys of a grandchild (3-1/2 yrs-old) is teaching him to love all teh little critters. He was a little nervous about holding the toad (quarter-sized) i found in my mom’s flower pot.
TexBetsy @ 313
How about some pumpkin oatmeal white and dark chocolate cookies?
Made some serious sin tonight, still can’t believe I did it…..
Hmm – whole lotta physical chemists will be quite surprised about the frozen methane and ammonia deposits theory.
Al, that
theoryhocus-pocus appears to have been completely pulled out of someone’s…air.
Where on the web are people mistaking a 20 ft hole for a 100 ft hole?
Our planet has no surface deposits of liquid methane or ammonia – we’re too warm.
If anyone watching this thinks frozen methane and ammonia are to blame, they’ve lost track of which planet they’re on.
We’re too close to the sun for natural frozen ammonia – much less methane.
What do y’all think of Bush’s press conf today? Drunk? High? Medicated? Stupid? What?
There’s bit left. But it’s not chocolate.
There is still some of last night’s lamb curry available. And here is a little vegetable curry for the herbivores among us.
Seen in a thread @ C&L
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 309
hell, he’d leave them there to die and blame the failure one them.
althespook @ 300
he says humbly *g*
TexBetsy @ 327
All of the above. And rude.
TexBetsy @ 327
Latter stages of megalomaniacal dementia.
-GSD
The rush on FEMA trailers will be a spectacle to behold.
Thanks Dr Dick. Perfect! (Ice cream is also welcome.)
kirk murphy @ 326
Do you have a theory on why people are getting sick then? Cause they are, that does not seem to be in disupte. And I’ll try to find the links about permafrost and methane release tomorrow, but I read them at reputable sites (National geographic, for example) and at worst probably misquoted them a bit. I do know that global warming experts have stated that permafrost thawing will release significant methane into the air…
Bustednuckles @ 334
fema will toss in two free gas masks with hepa filters with every trailer purchase.
DrDick:
“Brings back fond memories of my Okie childhood and the monster toads (kept nice and fat by the hordes of bugs that infest the place). Unfortunately we don’t have many amphibians here in western Montana. Have only seen one frog since I moved here.”
I grew up in Oklahoma, too. Did you ever see it RAIN FROGS? I am not kidding. And I was too young to have been drinking or taking drugs. Thousands of them, falling from the sky, like rain. When it stopped, after about a minute, you couldn’t even walk, or you would step on them.
TexBetsy @ 313
We could order in. Anybody allergic to pork or keeping kosher? I am jonesing for a good pulled pork sandwich.
Shell @ 339
Read that in a Bible story once. Book of Exodus.
Kirk, I busted Al twice tonight, and now you. He is going to be sad.
Hiya, pups! Alaska politics gets sleazier by the minute. Actually, it has been for years, but the shit is surfacing so quickly. About fucking time, eh?
althespook @ 337
The permafrost makes the methane as it is melting cause there are layers of veggie matter in the ice and is rots.
burnspbesq @ 340
I do in fact keep kosher.
On the peruvian “meteor”:
From BBC:
But some experts have questioned whether it was a meteorite or some other object that landed in Carancas.
“Increasingly we think that people witnessed a fireball, which are not uncommon, went off to investigate and found a lake of sedimentary deposit, which may be full of smelly, methane rich organic matter,” said Dr Caroline Smith, a meteorite expert at the London-based Natural History Museum.
“This has been mistaken for a crater.”
How about some spinach and artichoke dip while we wait for the sandwiches to be delivered?
eh, et, now phone calls with ted about the bribes were recorded. any idea why he has not been indicted yet?
althespook @ 335
That is mostly a consequence of the rapid decomposition of the large quantities of organic material preserved in the permafrost. Had a friend who did some arctic archaeology. He said it was like mucking out a septic tank. Basically, everything that hits the ground is preserved about half rotted.
Lamb gyros for those who don’t eat pork.
Gnome de Plume @ 342
Guys, don’t sweat it. I’m a precisionist; if i screw something up I want to know about it. In some jobs, lack of precision equals disaster. I’m not doing that kind of work right now, but i don’t want to get sloppy.
so if i’m wrong call me on it. I won’t take it personally. (Well, okay, I WILL but I won’t show it. much.)
(sound of muffled wailing come from behind BOAT HOUSE…)
PLovering @ 236
The Federal Reserve Bank is privately owned, and could well go bust in the present monetary crisis.
Another banking system would be needed to replace the Fed system. The banking system contemplated would be owned by the American people under management of the U.S. Treasury Department.
Theoretically not a bad idea, but implemented by the present regime? Yikes!
(small wonder Greenspan is in frantic spin mode)
Shell @ 337
Never saw that, but every spring when I was little we would be invaded by thousands of baby toads. Couldn’t walk without stepping on them.
Ed*ard Teller @ 343
It’s like the bottom of a dumpster in August.
Trow dem bums da hell out.
-GSD
“I grew up in Oklahoma, too. Did you ever see it RAIN FROGS? I am not kidding. And I was too young to have been drinking or taking drugs. Thousands of them, falling from the sky, like rain. When it stopped, after about a minute, you couldn’t even walk, or you would step on them.”
Read that in a Bible story once. Book of Exodus.
LOL. My younger brother (who also saw it) later became a scientist and informed me that they hadn’t rained, but been swept up by wind, and then dropped. I still say BS. Thousands of them?
DrDick @ 349
And I swear I read on NG that somebody has found evidence of a preserved ammonia layer way down deep, creating its own cold zone…but maybe not…
but permafrost melt is a real GW issue, that’s for sure. and it is here NOW, not in 20 years.
I quite like Freedom’s Swatch.
althespook @ 356
We are all going to be toast.
Shell @ 355
The best explanation I heard on this (and it is documented that these things happen) is a tornado hits a marsh and pulls them up into the air and them spits them out and they fall. Hey, it’s SOMETHING…
And cheesecake from Carnegie Deli!!!
Good night all. I am going to watch Big Dog and John Stewart on teevee. Then to bed.
Al, anything new on the Minot-Barksdale investigation? There’s NOTHING in the tradional media, and nothing but crazy rumors on websites.
Just tell me the investigation is still going and this is being taken seriously and not getting covered up. Please?
Ammonia has been a common liquid/gas used in refrigeration for years.
Methane has been recently been blamed for global warming.
Remember when Grandpa asked you to pull his finger?
Times that by sixty billion.
burnspbesq @ 360
Now we’re talking!
i still have an hour to wait, mary mc – enjoy
marymccurnin @ 358
no i don’t think so. the earth has been much warmer than it is now (ferns in antartica for example) and life has survived just fine. And we can adapt if need be. I am huge believer in the survivability of mankind and the human spirit and the fact that our Earth is far more than we think it to be. I’m not a Gaean because the science isn’t there yet, but that the earth is more than a lump of rock with a skin of water and ecosystem is doubted by few that know about such things.
used to love this War back in the day
To top it all off, the Rolling Stones
new thread
Hi al –
yep – saw that too – and as mary points out above, methane is a product of microbial decomposition of organic matter…
the same process that gives “lake farts” off the of warm shallow lakes….
i’ve no idea what caused the illnesses…
(it wasn’t me or my cats – we haven’t left the county)
new thread on The Jenna Six. TRex hits another one out of the park.
kirk murphy @ 370
yeah, i saw CDC had given you the all clear…:)
althespook –
Shell @ 355
“I grew up in Oklahoma, too. Did you ever see it RAIN FROGS? I am not kidding. And I was too young to have been drinking or taking drugs. Thousands of them, falling from the sky, like rain. When it stopped, after about a minute, you couldn’t even walk, or you would step on them.”
Read that in a Bible story once. Book of Exodus.
LOL. My younger brother (who also saw it) later became a scientist and informed me that they hadn’t rained, but been swept up by wind, and then dropped. I still say BS. Thousands of them?
The best explanation I heard on this (and it is documented that these things happen) is a tornado hits a marsh and pulls them up into the air and them spits them out and they fall. Hey, it’s SOMETHING…
**************
But, but — there were no tornadoes within 100s of miles at that time! Oh well, guess I’ll never know.
TexBetsy @ 327
When Bush started blathering about how Moveon was so mean to Petraeus I was thinking about how the Dems in the Senate reacted to the resolution condemnation of that little add in the New York Times the other day…Just beautiful…GOP Sen. Cornyn apparently took offense at the suggestion from the Dems to add to his resolution condemnation of the attack on Max Cleland (2002) and those little Swiftboaters who did nasty work on Kerry in 2004 ….I believe that whole incident took the wind out of the sails of this diversionary tactic….
But, of course, Bush didn’t get the memo, still trying to sell that piece of work nobody wants to buy….
marymccurnin @ 281
I LOVE Christine’s shows! And her, too!!! A real rabble rouser for all the RIGHT rabble, to be rousing at!! Her and Randi Rhodes . . . we got MSM voices, here and there . . . more now than ever, for that matter . . . incremental progress.
Someone may have mentioned it already, but Macleans is essentially the Canadian Time.
Except, like, better.
Here’s more on the physical chemistry of “shallow natural gas hydrates beneath permafrost“
[For the paper, “shallow” = buried under 900-2100 feet of permafrost!]
“Solids” are substances in which the component atoms/molecules are lazy – they stay together in one place.
“Gases” are substances in which the components are off flying about in space.
To force a “gas” to become a “solid”, it has to be cooled and/or squished.
(The fancy physics words are “temperature” and “pressure”.)
So solid methane is lying around our planet – but under so much permafrost or so much water that a 20 foot hole just won’t get there.
Suzanne @ 365
Me, too. I was confused.
Photos of pot leads to arrest
from United Press International – NewsTrack
An Ohio man who took photos of marijuana plants to a pharmacy to be developed faces charges in connection with growing the plants.
http://www.google.com/reader/v…..sTrack.rss
Y’all are using digital cameras, right?
TexBetsy @ 379
He thinks he is living in Northern Cal.
GSD @ 316
…and the Congress are his enablers.
The critical point for global warming is 2.0 degrees C.
How likely are we to reach it?
91-99%.
And then…
….our planet heats up faster and faster….
Why is 2.0 critical?
That’s the point of positive feedback – where the warming begets more warming (melting permafrost’s methane comes into play here).
And we’re coming on it far, far faster than anyone expected:
That speed-up? Unimaginable two years ago.
That’s how fast the warming is accelerating – and how late we are in admitting it.
Oh – yesterday Australia announced this year’s wheat harvest is down from drought.
Thirty percent down.
Almost one-third less wheat this harvest than last.
Global grain reserves are at record lows – grain prices are rising (We burn our food for Hummer fuel! Clever primates…)
What comes after 2 C?
PS – Al, I hope I don’t seem to be trying to single you out for disagreement (not my desire in any way).
althespook @ 321
T E O T W A W K I
burnspbesq @ 1
I feel for you!
mls @ 381
Actually, I have thought about this a little at the time that we were getting ready to invade Iraq. Giving Bush full faith and credit for his kicking the alcohol jones — I don’t really believe this but let’s just say. I think he believed that since he had a major transformation in his life, he believes that everyone can have a similar transformation. He believes that Iraq can decide one day to give itself over to Jeffersonian democracy in the same way that one day he decided to give himself over to Christ.