The site of Officer Dave Karsnia’s takedown of GOP Senator Larry E. Craig (R-ID) is inundated with tourists snapping photos on their cell phones.
The restroom in the Lindbergh terminal at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport where Sen. Larry Craig was arrested in June has become a stop for travelers flying through, the Idaho Statesman reports.
A Minneapolis couple flying to Guatemala took the opportunity to see the infamous restroom. “We had to just stop and check out the bathroom,” Sally Westby told the Statesman. “In fact, it’s Jon’s second time – he was here last week already.” Jon, Sally’s husband, said, “I checked it out. It’s the second stall from the right.”
[snip]
Airport employees and vendors have been getting many requests for directions to the spot that has resulted in one of this year’s biggest political scandals. “There’ve been a lot of people coming to see it,” an employee of Inmotion Entertainment told the Statesman. “I’ve been asked several times to take photographs of people in front of the bathroom.”
Gee Butler of Royal Zino Shoeshine added, “People have been going inside, taking pictures of the stall, taking pictures outside the bathroom door – man, it’s been crazy.”
That’s gotta cut down on the romance factor. Wonder what sting Officer Dave K is up to now?
(youtube of the Erie Players’ “Officer Krupke” scene from West Side Story)
UPDATE: Howie’s got more, including the reminder that delegates to next year’s GOP presidential nominating convention will be able to stop by the newest airport tourist site on their way to vote for a nominee!
UPDATE NUMBER TWO: FDL Book Salon guest author and ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero announced that the ACLU has filed an amicus brief in Senator Craig’s case, saying that the foot-tapping was protected speech:
“We clearly lay out what is the doctrine in terms of what speech is and is not protected,” Romero said. “To be able to solicit sex in private, in public spaces, for instance, is constitutionally protected speech.”
Jeralyn Merritt notes the irony of Craig, not always a friend of civil liberties, being befriended by the ACLU in his current case.
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hey, all!
Teddy!
hey Teddy!
Taking the zed even when it’s NOT your birthday!!!
They’re amazed how commodious it is.
Private contractors in Iraq
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…../warriors/
Laura Doty @ 5
*g*
Laura Doty @ 4
but, but, but — I was just zedding for Mama Cass and Twiggy, whose birthday it is today!
Evening, Teddy!
TeddySanFran @ 8
Well, okay then.
I love the fact that the ACLU is taking this on. Gotta piss off the Fox Snoozies!
There’s also the irony of Craig voting AGAINST the restoration of habeas corpus earlier today. You’d think that of all the folks in the Senate, he would be most concerned about being able to have your day in court.
Of course, he’s not worried about your day in court — he’s worried about his.
Was anyone else amazed that the first 22 minutes of Countdown were about OJ? I was, and I wrote to:
viewerservices@msnbc.com; dabrams@msnbc.com; countdown@msnbc.com; kolbermann@msnbc.com
You can too!
Kathleen @ 6
Good one!
Teddy,
got a feeling…
AT JTA
09/19/2007
Ehud Olmert’s top deputy drew fire for outlining an Israeli plan to divide control of Jerusalem.
Vice Premier Haim Ramon revealed this week that a peace proposal he has drafted would cede to the Palestinians control of Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem, while Israel would retain the western parts of the city and Jewish sites in the Old City such as the Western Wall and Jewish Quarter.
Ramon hinted that Israel also would relinquish at least some control of the Temple Mount, which houses two major Muslim shrines.
“In the area of the ’sacred basin’ there will be a special arrangement giving expression to all of Israel’s special interests in managing holy sites,” he wrote in a letter to a Jerusalem city councilman, a copy of which was obtained by JTA.
The suggestion that the Olmert government might be willing to cede Judaism’s most sacred site to the Palestinians drew right-wing ire. Ramon said his plan is consistent with the Israeli-Palestinian vision set out by President Bush in the U.S.-led “road map.”
OT after only five comments?
Kathleen, at least give folks a chance to look at the post and its topic, before you go OT. It’s also a tad rude to the author of the main post.
It’s the revenge of Clinton’s pen*s! The Reethugs chose to make the Genitals of Other People the real meaning of GOP, and now they get to reap the whirlwind. Dave Vitter in diapers, Larry Craig seeking some anonymous bathroom dick, Patrick McHenry, Ken Mehlman, Condi Rice as co-habiting carpet muncher, and coming soon, Mitch McConnell, Dave Dreir, Huckleberry Graham, an endless parade of latent homosexual macho posturers and sexual perverts. Dicks, dicks, dicks. And a clit. Oh, what a lovely summer!
Peterr @ 17
People go ot all the time. Wonder why you objected then.
TeddySanFran @ 13
I wrote Abrams.
Have a ship to run. Sorry to greet and go Teddy, thank you.
NEVER GIVE UP THE SHIP me hearties!!!! Arrrrrhhhhh.
(vid)
Kathleen @ 18
I know, I know!
I apologize for playing into the OT.
I’m glad that ACLU took this on.
peterr
like your posts a lot
but wouldn’t rag on kathleen
Kathleen @ 18
1-4 were so critical to the topic. Your mini lecture is BS
Peterr @ 12
and, let’s not forget that this is the guy who flashed his business card and was in effect, claiming privilege. So, perhaps he feels he doesn’t NEED Habeas.
This restroom had gotten lotsa publicity at websites devoted to sharing information about such places. Despite his discretion, I have to wonder if Officer Dave Karsia’s been waiting for the publicity and the photo-seeking tourists. Now that the restroom romance is ruined, Dave can go back to dealing with outta-control airport carts running over former Senator George McGovern.
TeddySanFran @ 13
I’m willing to cut ‘em some slack while KO is recuperating – editorial control presumably being out of his hands, for the moment…
expected a little better from Allison, though.
I mean the person that wrote the frickin post went ot. jesus
Minnesota should charge admission, they could use the money to rebuild their failing infrastructure.
Some great news at JTA
Half-million signers demand two states
09/19/2007
More than a half-million Israelis and Palestinians have signed a petition demanding a two-state solution.
The OneVoice Movement said Tuesday it had exceeded its goal — four months early — of 500,000 signatures, with 262,008 Israelis and 274,435 Palestinians signing on.
The petition calls on Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to immediately start negotiations and arrive at an agreement by Oct. 18, 2008 — exactly one year after planned rallies in Jericho and Tel Aviv, as well as satellite events in Washington, London and Ottawa.
It calls for the sides to “recognize the right of both peoples to independence, sovereignty, freedom, justice, dignity, respect, national security, personal safety, and economic viability” and to “implement concrete confidence-building measures that will improve the lives of the Palestinian and Israeli people, including ensuring freedom of movement for ordinary civilians and fostering education against incitement on both sides.”
OneVoice, describing itself as a “youth-led” movement, is funded primarily by Daniel Lubetzky, a Mexican-Jewish entrepreneur. It has the support of, among others, Sheik Taysir Al-Tamimi, the top Palestinian religious judge; Dennis Ross, a former top U.S. Mideast peace envoy now advising presidential candidate U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.); Dov Lautman, a leading Israeli industrialist; and Sir Jonathan Sacks, the British chief rabbi.
and, let’s not forget that this is the guy who flashed his business card and was in effect, claiming privilege. So, perhaps he feels he doesn’t NEED Habeas.
Obviously he needs better business cards though.
raven @ 28
I’m kinda ‘fraid to comment!! *G*
Larry Craig’s impact on teh GOP will be longlasting.
Rumor has it the GOP mascot for the convention will be a giant pickle.
-GSD
P.S. Countdown was a giant slab of crap today. That show suffers when Keith doesn’t have editorial veto.
And if people have not noticed the bloggers here at FDL often use the links and ideas that people share and research and then expand on the topic.
Arrrrh!!! Shiva’ me timbers! Make that swab Larry Craig walk da plank to Davey Jones’ locker! Arrrh!
jayt @ 27
Recall that Alison got a stern lecture from Keith about her comments regarding Wendy Vitter’s press conference garb, after his break. I was surprised to see Alison, after Amy Robot had subbed for Keith — I wonder what control he has over the broadcast when he’s not there? Clearly he “owns” or owns WPITW, but may have little else to say about the content in his absence.
I don’t think this is the kind of tourist business Minneapolis was hoping for. And to have to follow it with the republican convention, well…
No, that’s how they’ll vote.
Behind stall door #1 it’s Rudy in drag!
Behind stall door #2 it’s Mitt’s well trained Golden!
Behind stall door #3 it’s Brownback’s backside!
…
jayt @ 31
Evidently…!!!
LS @ 32
Hell, let her rip, you can’t be more unpopular than I am.
Kathleen @ 30
This is pretty much the official position of the Israeli government.
Why in the world would anyone want a pix of the Larry Craig bathroom stall? It’s almost in a class of wanting to view an execution. Both desires are sick.
AZ Matt @ 35
Oh, my, I had forgotten about today being TLAPD.
This is sick.. we live in a sick country. 70 year olds are assaulted by police for not watering their lawns and a bathroom male gay prostitution hang-out at an airport has become a national tourist attraction. It’s sickening, and I feel sick. I just don’t get it anymore… maybe we deserve to be ruled by murderous thieves.
raven,
are you unpopular?
Here’s the roll call on the Webb Amendment.
raven @ 40
*gah* Since when Raven?
Usta be “Washington slept here.”
Now MSP can do “Craig tapped here.” Any others?
On the topic of Craig I did like the point that Matthews made one night on Hardball. He brought up how the Republicans were being hypocritical by supporting Vitter on the prostitute issue (he was not pushed to get out) and yet Craig has been encouraged to get out because of the “gay” issue.
Matthews also shared that the first time that Vitter appeared in front of a group of Republicans they gave him a standing ovation (the good old boys except if you are Clinton)…they sure did not do that for Craig
TeddySanFran @ 43
WHAAA?
Blub @ 44
Entry of the Gladiators is our national themesong now.
America is as sick as an empire in decline has ever been.
-GSD
raven @ 40
Okay, ummm…Mitt Romney is tappin’ in the stall with Cofer Black (Blackwater) as an advisor. That should be of note.
Loo Hoo. @ 37
It being Minnesota and all, and them being so welcoming, I’m sure they’ll have signs up by then, and perhaps hand out maps as folks get off their planes, like the Hollywood maps to the homes of the stars.
The ticket window doubles as a gloryhole.
-GSD
B mitch two state solution based on the 67 border, sharing Jerusalem and water rights.
It’s the hypocrisy, stupid.
GSD gets it right.
America is an empire in decline.
Look for the exit.
CTuttle @ 47
Sheet, when I say what I think.
GSD @ 51
Bread and circuses – could we throw some xians to the lions, you think?
Ahoy, Loo Hoo:
Oould ya not be knowin’ today is International Talk Like a Pirate Day? Avast matey, it’s a grand glorious thing, it is.
eCAHNomics @ 56
Dang, eCahn, where have ya been? Nice to see ya again!!!
GordonM @ 38
Maybe Mitt will put up flyers.
Loo Hoo. @ 51
This be the yearly International Talk Like a Pirate Day, argh
I can just hear Larry Craig speaking to the judge: “I’d like the record to show that the ACLU may be a Friend of the Court, but they’re no friends of mine.”
After all the fun with the MoveOn ads this week, I can just imagine the ACLU’s next ad . . .
We spoke up for Larry Craig.
We’ll stick up for anyone, even the folks who hate us.
We’re the ACLU.
so many smart folks here
Kathleen @ 55
Sharing jerusalem is a non-starter.
Twain @ 59
Try throwing some college students to the taser wielding rent-a-cops or perhaps a has been sports star to the media jack*ls.
It works just as well.
-GSD
BMitch the official Israeli stance has been the continued expansion of the illegal settlements and ignoring UN Resolution 242 and 338.
Interesting thing on the not voting either way on the Webb Amendment:
Not Voting – 3
Brownback (R-KS)
Johnson (D-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Johnson ill
Vitter ill
Brownback ??
did Cornyn’s “We Hate MoveOn.Org” bill get voted on today?
Kathleen @ 68
You are mistaken.
Kathleen @ 49
They are following Minority Leader Miss McConnell’s lead — and he is very, very nervous about Larry Craig and with good reason.
Here’s Milbank:
Well shit! We’re doing a lot more than talking like pirates! We’re actually being pirates. Good on us, huh? Pirating all that oil.
Twain @ 60
At least Rome lasted a good 700 years or so… we’ve barely beat 200. Perhaps we need a Great Leap Forward or Cultural Revolution or something… If the Russians or Chinese did a Sputnik on us again, instead of becoming united in national purpose, we’d probably just shrug and invade another Middle Eastern country. If the Great Depression fell on us again, we’d just kill each other.
Loo Hoo. @ 72
Them’s that dies will be the lucky ones.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
Remember the Clooney movie “The Perfect Storm”? That was about a boat out of Gloucester here and part of it revolved around a bar called the Crow’s nest. the place is a total dive, but people come to gloucester and take pics there,go in and have a beer and a hot dog or whatever. The year after the movie came out, they got curtains in the windows, before that, just the “Miller” sign.
Yuck.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
fixed!
Loo Hoo. @ 47
Once upon a time, majority Senate Democrats knew how to–and did–use their power. Close the bathrooms on the Rethug side of the aisle and make ‘em take the shuttle to MSP.
The blood of one thousand more on Reperplican hands before the post-primary kabuki gets real.
BigMitch @ 60
ArrrH!!! I say we make the blackhearted cur Liarman and his scruvy crew clean the bliges of Bush’s sinkin, stinking barge! Keel haul the lot of them! Arrrrrrrrh!
More grog!
raven @ 41
Whaaaat? who says you’re unpopular?
Are you whining? Fishing?
Mother Mother OceanA Pirate Looks at. . .60 There’s nuthin to plunder the cannons don’t thunder I’m an over 50 victim of fate.
[Excuse, please, for re-posting here my EPU’d comment from below. Sorry, Teddy, hope you don’t mind this now off-topic bit. I worked on it to give what I hope would be helpful suggestions to Firepups.]
Ann in AZ @ 91
Let me just pop in here and make some added suggestions for folk who want more choices.
From having spent lots of time in the past as an enforced “shut-in” with only my pupster as company, I know what is meant by the need sometimes for something besides silence.
Discovering internet radio has been a wonder for me.
We listen quite a lot to a station out of Chesapeake called “The Nineteen-Twenties Radio Network.” In spite of the name, they play lots of stuff 24/7 from 1900 through 1949.
In the evenings, every weeknight, they play the old radio shows. Such as Green Hornet, Phillip Marlowe Mysteries, the Mel Blanc Comedy Hour, etc. etc. My favorite is the Hallmark Theater — just like the “Hallmark Hall of Fame” specials on teevee, but the radio format many years prior to television.
On the Hallmark program, I’ve had the pleasure of hearing a very young Gregory Peck doing an Ernest Hemingway short story. They play lots of these Hallmark programs, radio’s version of “high-brow” stuff.
And they don’t just play the programs themselves, but the original commercial advertising which aired at the time — they are always a hoot.
Turns out there was a program I had never heard of called “Gangbusters” which put out alerts for citizens to help catch criminals on the loose (sort of like Adam Walsh’s teevee show, America’s Most Wanted). On a recent episode, the person interviewing an FBI agent was none other than “Colonel Norman Schwarzkopf”!!! Interesting!
When it’s not a weeknight evening, they play music from the twenties with lots of Bessie Smith and Lady Day and New Orleans jazz, and flapper music for dancing, and then other special shows featuring WWII-era music, lots of fun with the Andrew Sisters and Vera Lynn and suchlike. I especially enjoy programs from during the Depression era — they make me feel like I’m boning up in the morale department for what’s coming in Depression Part Deux.
During the deep dark middle of the night they play music from BEFORE the twenties, and in that respect they’re just like another station which features music from the EIGHTEEN-NINETIES on wax cylinder through up to 1920.
But beyond my quirky choices, there are zillions of other internet radio stations with every type of music imaginable, and PLENTY of interesting talk stations, talk of every stripe – both political and non-political.
The music can be as unusual and exotic as you like — Greek folk music, French chansons, South American music from the Andes, etc. etc. Every type of jazz imaginable. Many thousands of options out there.
We’re never bored. And we never watch teevee when teevee sucks (which is most of the time).
Another advantage of listening to internet radio (via wireless speakers which allow us to play it in any room in the house) is that we can do other things at the same time — work on cleaning the kitchen, Mr. K8 working on fix-it jobs etc.
And the imagination of creating your own visual images inherent in LISTENING rather than WATCHING (and being glued to the screen) is good for this aging brain, I think. It’s much less mentally passive.
Just an added suggestion for folks looking for something different. We have many more choices for amusement or entertainment or even for learning stuff than what the current corporate powers want to force feed us.
McConnell stood still as a statue. The awkward quartet remained in place for a full minute until Craig retreated to a safer spot from which to cast a wary eye at the suddenly crowded press gallery.
I noticed today that when Mary Landrieu shows up to vote – nobody talks to her either.
Aaargghh. Aye, more grog there, matey,that’s the m’nsail!
Tequila counts as “grog”, right?
zennurse @ 79
Not at all, you just aren’t around when I gets in trouble. Don’t really give a rats ass until redd gets on me.
Loo Hoo. @ 70
on this bit of info, lots of possible snarkish responses come to mind.. none of which are appropriate for or acceptable on a distinguished blog like this one.
I do have to wonder if Sally Westby’s even a little bit concerned about her husband Jon checking out the second stall from the right….
Just sayin’
RonD @ 83
If ye be haulin’ Spanish doubloons, sure!
Shiver my timber.
-Larry Craig
Peterr @ 88
Close enuf for me, ye bloody sea-dog!
(gulp)
RonD @ 84
Argh!! Fer Mexican Pirates it’ll do ya! More grog!! Avast publican TSF, ya wouldn’t wanna yur mateys ta die o’ thrist?
raven @ 86
Aaaahhh, I see. One of Those naughty boys are we? Well, she is a redhead after all. Now if we could just get a smile out of Jonathan.
I’m the anti-naughty, as I’m sure you’ve figured out. Total Pollyanna, it’s not much fun.
BigMitch @ 66
It’s also a non-ender.
jayt @ 82
I’m guessing that Craig won’t have anyone to talk to at the GOP convention next summer when he heads to the men’s room. “I was just leaving . . . me too . . . me too . . .”
TeddySanFran @ 88
???? Explain, please?
zennurse @ 91
Yea, I’ve been in trouble all my life. “Wave your hands in the aor like you don’t care”.
GSD @ 90
this topic be Arrr! rated.
Peterr @ 95
Watch Lindsay.. he may dally a bit.. observe the choice of stall and the width of the stance carefully
watertiger’s contribution to Talk like a Pirate Day”
http://www.dependablerenegade……is-ta.html
BigMitch @ 67
Not for the Palestinians.
Mitch we all ready know that we disagree on this issue. But I am firmly in Jimmy Carters, Amy Goodmans and Norman Finkelsteins camp on this issue. Carters book Palestine Peace:Not Apartheid is a great read.
I have read endlessly about this issue for 25 years from both sides, I have read about the history of Zionism and I have several friends who have been to Israel 14 times and lived with the Palestinians for close to six years and have heard detailed reports about their times there.
What I would sincerely like to see is a resolution on this issue. I am Pro-Palestine Pro-Israel. But I do think Israel needs to move over, get out of the occupied territories, sign the non-proliferation treaty, share the water and stop destroying Palestinians means to make a living (tearing down olive trees etc).
We know who has the upper hand here. Israel needs to start bending more before they do themselves more harm than good.
Blub @ 87
Gar, tis the poopy diapers what put him under the weather, I’ll wager, arr.
Avast.
Ya’ll be a watchin’ out fer Cut-Throat Christy the Red! She’ll whittle da wille of repuglicans and other vermin who try and cross her yardarms! Her cannon are double-shotted grape ov’r ball! A right nasty surprise!
Loo Hoo. @ 70
Think Progress post says Johnson voted yea, but clerk says he didn’t vote, which the post links too.
I am so sick of these filibusters. How about a barrage of calls to Harry Reid demanding another all-night session or two or three.
And what a bunch of hypocrites. It feels like yesterday that Holy Joe told his constituents that the Gang of 12 decided to filibuster only under extraordinary circumstances.
Twain @ 60
So Many Right-Wing Christians So Few Lions
RonD @ 83
Sorry, it’s gotta be that rum!
Has anyone ever analyzed the way people tend to talk on “Talk Like a Pirate Day”? What model are they using? What is the source of this dialect that everyone seems to agree is how pirates talk(ed)? Is it strictly Hollywood?
zennurse @ 94
I just got a kick outta the husband having checked out the stall a week earlier — and apparently alone! (these people appear in the post).
Someone in one of those stalls that tapped their foot, might have been from Peru.
” People who ventured near the site of the Sep. 15 strike by the “supposed” meteorite were affected by dizziness, vomiting and skin lesions, the ministry said yesterday in a statement on its Web site. Among the people afflicted were eight police officers who went to the crater near the southeastern towns of Carancas and Desaguadero, the ministry said.
The object that crashed to Earth created a crater 15 meters (50 feet) wide and 5 meters deep, the ministry said. Locals said they became ill after handling a luminous substance at the site that they thought might be valuable, according to the statement.
“Blood tests are being carried out on most of the patients to determine what they’re suffering from,” the ministry said.” WTF???
I’m thinking, volcano gases???? Like the gases that killed the people in Italy???? Recent earthquakes, maybe something is about to blow down there! Pompeii anyone?
Hmmmm….Alfred?????? Or….#6?????
cleter @ 100
Maybe he has diaper rash.
Kathleen @ 31
So a neocon like Dennis Ross (who wrote a letter on behalf of his former colleague Scooter Libby so a really good judge of character) is giving Obama advice on the Middle East. That can’t be good.
neurophius @ 105
Purple double dome.
GSD @ 88
tee hee!
LS @ 108
Link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..in_america
neurophius @ 107
Everyone has Robert Newton’s version of Long John Silver tattooed on their brains.
Sally/Jon?
Twain @ 110
I plead for mercy….
neurophius @ 107
Aye, tis based on Long John Silver from the movies, arr. Smart as paint, he was!
Kathleen @ 104
Jane’s a Leo. I’m a Leo. AK’s a Leo. Open the effing gates.
Hugh @ 111
Who’s that? Vaguely recollect a John Obama or O’McCain.
Muppet Treasure Island is one of the greatest movies of all time.
Kathleen @ 101
I like your points, Kathleen, the Palestinians have been repressed by Israel! I don’t think they have clean hands, but, Israel has never attempted to realistically resolve their differences…!!!
raven @ 112
What?
Hiya TSF, hope you keep celebrating your Birthday ’til the next one rolls along !
Could someone please explain to me why the ACLU bothers to represent Craig when they have many more urgent cases ?
I for one like the idea of Craig being in the Limelight … more voters will leave the Reps and elect Dems.
And to all ye landlubbers, real
menpirates drink Rum, which goes by the yogic name, Nirvana !!! *g*Way OT..Re-Post?..This is really sick..
link
Blub @ 115
don’t believe the things I’m seein’
I’ve been wonderin’ ’bout some things I’ve heard
Everybody’s crying mercy
When they don’t know the meaning of the word
A bad enough situation
Is sure enough getting worse
Everybody’s crying justice
Just as soon as there’s business first
Toe to toe, touch and go
Give a cheer and get your own souvenir
Well you know the people running round in circles
Don’t know what they’re headed for
Everybody’s crying peace on earth
Just as soon as we win this war
Straight ahead, gotta knock em dead
So pack your kit, choose your own hypocrite
You don’t have to go to off-Broadway
To see something plain absurd
Everybody’s crying mercy
When they don’t know the meaning of the word
Nobody knows the meaning of the word
hehehehehe you said larry craig – it still tickles me funny bone lol
neurophius @ 107
None of these people are genuine pirates. More like “pie rats,” I’d wager.
GordonM @ 119
My lady and I are both solid Leo’s. Someone once told me that Leo’s aren’t supposed to get along all that well with other Leo’s.
I am hoping for a TV series set in the Minneapolis Airport or at least a made-for-TV movie — ‘The Larry Craig Story’.
LS @ 109
smapdi had an answer I liked during Late Nite:
raven @ 84
Raven I like your spunk! Even though I respect all that CHS does, I certainly don’t think she is right all of the time.
The beauty of the lake is sometimes real debate
cleter @ 120
Any Muppet movie is among the greatest of all time.
One of the puppet makers for the Muppets was Robert McCloskey, who (besides from living a few miles from here) wrote some of the greatest kid’s books of all times – Make Way for Ducklings and the Homer Price series.
Twain @ 110
more like diaper relish.
Well the ACLU is admirable. Taking a look at Craig’s site, it seems he’s a prolific gooper writer. Love the metallic decor on the sidebar. It looks like Delta airlines ca. 79.
Over and out.
Loo Hoo. @ 105
Hon, you’re way too late. :)
Loo Hoo. @ 116
In the post.
CTuttle @ 122
Israelis have made concessions. It’s time for the Palestinians to do so. And they can take responsibility for their own future at the same time.
GordonM @ 132
OMG – really???? I loved those books as a kid and I read them to my kids also. What a talent.
Petrocelli @ 124
Petro, ya swarthy sea dog, the ACLU is blind to whom they’ll defend, they’ve defended the KKK in court! I really admire them for their color-blindness(et.al.)!!!
neurophius @ 107
Tis a secret so-ci-e-ty what be called Skull and Crossbones. Thar be a special like handshake and a yale. If ye spills yar guts upon it, tis the black spot for ye. Ye lose yar wits and make a bad end of it in a white stone house.
neurophius @ 121
Ya had to be there, it was a phsychadelic substance back when some of us dressed like pirates!
Arrrh!!! I say the Pirate Brotherhood of the Lake ought start a diaper collection for Vitter! P*mmpers fur Vitter! SEnd them new or used in a treasure chest to da wenching boy at his official pirate den in the Senate! Maybe some fer the McConnell swab too! Arrrrrh!!!!!!!
Kathleen @ 129
It hasn’t happened often but when she has shushed me she’s been right.
TeddySanFran @ 108
I’m so sorry, Teddy, I am quite brain-dead. I slept not a wink last night and have cotton candy between my ears about now. I promise I read the post and linked and everything!
Hugh @ 140
Yeah.. they have a dungeon-level common room where child wizards like shrub and Kerry duel with wands
CTuttle @ 122
Hey CT !!!
Kathleen made some excellent points.
I’m still in disbelief that Arafat reneged on what is undoubtedly the best deal Palestine could ever get,
Ehud Barak & Bill Clinton went beyond any third party’s expectations to clinch the deal.
Petrocelli @ 124
I think the ACLU picks their cases for their merit and the possible publicity value. They’ve certainly got their money’s worth out of an amicus brief that needed about three hours of a lawyer’s time and a FedEx bill.
Plus there’s the nice feeling of coming to the aid of someone who’s excoriated you his entire career.
raven @ 141
Thanks. I was probably around back then, but didn’t encounter that substance, nor did I dress like a pirate–as best I can remember!
BigMitch @ 135
No a very popular stance around her but I’m down.
TeddySanFran @ 130
The LS’ thought it could be something like that. It could also be one of those plutonium powered satellites. The strange thing is that Peru suffered this in 2002, and 2004. I’m thinking volcanic. Seismic activity and all.
BigMitch @ 137
Concessions? Eh? What viable concession have they offered? And didn’t renege on?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 128
Leos need to be pampered, adored, put on a pedestal. As long as the adoration, etc is mutual, two Leos can be a wonderful match. Two generous, brave, lion-hearted people facing the world and radiating warmth to the rest of us.
{{{{{{ ok & Lahoma }}}}}}}
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
Only when you’re in (immature) ego-competition mode. Once you grow up, you know there’s no one that can possibly compare.
Hi, CT. What’s new?
For Larry Craig. Night all.
neurophius @ 146
It was made by Owsley, the dude who bought the Dead there sound system. White rabbit was another of his ware’s along with Orange Sunshine. Sigh.
Petrocelli @ 123
Hey Petrocelli! I think it’s a really good move on the part of ACLU for a couple of reasons. First, because Vitter should not receive special treatment/straight sex over Vitter/gay sex. Secondly, it shows the republicans that the ACLU is non-partisan. Smart.
Not to worry. Condi Rice is on the scene in the Middle East.
Hugh @ 110
Dennis Ross’s mythology
http://time-blog.com/middle_ea…..y_5_1.html
“Is this really the best America can do? Absent from Ross’s thinking is any notion that America should exert some bold leadership, or, for that matter, give due respect to the courageous albeit belated efforts of Arab leaders to meet Israel half-way.
In presenting his plan, Ross starts by scoffing at Fatah’s recent decision to enter a national unity government with Hamas. Instead of seeing it as a way of bolstering the politically weakened Abbas and perhaps luring Hamas toward peace, as the Saudis did when they brokered the Palestinian agreement in Mecca, Ross is quick to see “a return to the pre-Oslo period when diplomacy was based on rejection and denial.”
CTuttle @ 149
I’m outa here, this shit never ends.
AZ Matt @ 142
clearly addressed
sent through the post wrapped in clear plastic?
COD?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 156
I feel better already. Is she buying rugs, shoes or just visiting?
Petrocelli @ 146
Barak was quickly replaced by Lik*d, there was no chance for it to survive beyond his administration!
So what’s up with Vitter? Any new poop on him?
Toby Wollin @ 137
My appreciation increased as a parent. Every single damned word in Make Way for Ducklings is exactly the right word. And I still crack up over Homer Price. And yes, he make puppets for the Muppets in his barn.
Twain @ 162
Well.. she’s probably not there on the Haj
CTuttle @ 139
I’m just a bit frustrated that Mark Foley might not be prosecuted due to the statute of limitations and now Craig might get off scot free … the ACLU is congratulated for defending Craig while Elizabeth Edwards gets called out for “repeating Rep talking points” … help me to understand this.
BigMitch @ 154
Papelbon giving up a grand salami! Aargh!!!
Yeah.. they have a dungeon-level common room where child wizards like shrub and Kerry duel with wands
Define “wands”.
On second thought – nah.
GordonM @ 165
OK, I’m game – which Homer Price story is your favorite – mine is the donut one with the rich lady and the lost ring.
cleter @ 119
I love the roll call scene.
“Big Fat Ugly Bug-Faced Baby-Eating O’Brian?” Classic.
Blub @ 146
The funny thing about Skull and Bones is that members — and you’re a member for life — must leave the room when it’s mentioned. I have to wonder if that accounts for John Kerry’s inability to intervene on behalf of young Andrew Meyer the other evening — just paralyzed by the rules of the game, since Meyer had asked him about his membership in S&B.
The Senate rethuglicans are running a race for re-eletion — a diaper derby!
jayt @ 166
Ever see the movie where John Ritter and another guy had a fight in a dark motel room with glow in the dark condoms on? Hilarious, they get busted for “cock fighting”.
newdealfarmgrrrlll…
I think Lahoma will like that when she sees it.
“I’m just a bit frustrated that Mark Foley might not be prosecuted due to the statute of limitations and now Craig might get off scot free … the ACLU is congratulated for defending Craig while Elizabeth Edwards gets called out for “repeating Rep talking points” … help me to understand this.”
I’m not sure that I can, but as a longtime supporter of the ACLU (through Nazis, Klan, etc. as well as Patriot Act, NSA Spying etc.) I would just point out that in the greater sense they are not just defending a Republican senator, they are defending all victims of sting operations in violation of the Bill of Rights. At least, that’s the theory.
Do you think that’s about right, Teddy?
Twain @ 163
I believe she’s over there being evenhanded.
neurophius @ 177
Thanks, TSF and Loo Hoo also clarified this point earlier.
raven @ 155
White rabbit. I’m personally familiar with that one.
Game over. The Yankees win. THUUUUUUUUUUH YANKEES WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boston loses to Toronto.
Can you say 1 1/2 games back? (One in the loss column.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 176
What and ditch 40 years of US policy?
BigMitch @ 177
Go Cubbies! Then stink Jankees!
My heart needs a rest.
interesting…
Crossing fingers on this one
Here is the source of all of our problems….oy vey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtR4FiG9jOU
GordonM @ 178
And did the white rabbit see the orange sunshine through the stained glass?
TeddySanFran @ 137
Must be in that first link which won’t load for me, Teddy.
OffT:
San Diego’s Republican Mayor, California’s last big-city mayor holdout, today agreed to sign his City Council’s resolution urging the Governor to sign AB43, Mark Leno’s gender-neutral marriage bill.
In his statement, Mayor Sanders outted his daughter:
Twain @ 161
Well, she won’t be buying Gucci in Italy at our expense.
AZ Matt @ 143
Aw now, lay off! don’t forget Vitter has kids! So humiliating…tsk tsk. And I’m sure Mr. and Mrs. Vitter said many many prayers for Chelsea during her difficult days when Dad was being attacked. Not.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 174
did y’all see that the Pope refused to talk to her?
Understandable, I guess. He’s Cheney’s man.
(I still haven’t figured out how Rove got a Republican elected Pope)
LS @ 114
Radium or some other radioactive element?
Petrocelli @ 124
Same reason it defended a bunch of neo-Nazis who were improperly denied a permit to hold a parade in a town full of concentration camp survivors. Some principles are non-negotiable.
Hugh @ 184
This one sat through 2 consecutive showings of 2001 A Space Odyssey. And laughed at exactly the opposite things in the 2nd showing.
TeddySanFran @ 189
Could someone please send this Canuck Gov. Schwarzenegger’s e- mail … I would like to propose that he join the 21st century and give equal rights to all Americans, including gays & lesbians !
neurophius @ 176
Yes. The difference between Craig’s “crime” and Foley’s is the difference between free speech and, well, sexual harassment of a minor subordinate. Hardly comparable.
TeddySanFran @ 171
so it would be interesting to see who leaves the room?
cleter @ 121
Aye!
TeddySanFran @ 189
Sander’s not a rethug.. conservative yes, a jerk, arsehole, pr*ck, etc etc, but unfortunately not an actual rethug. Ran as an independent against a liberal Dem and the official rethug candidate, who was knocked out of the race very early
raven @ 157
White lightning, IIRC
GordonM @ 193
Well as they say the movie in your head is better than the one on the screen.
jayt @ 188
Benedict can’t figure out how Rove got Bush elected president. Twice.
Ilan Pappe’s perspective is so interesting on the I/P topic
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID
=11102
Also Benny Morris on the I/P issue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris
One of my favorite books on this issue is by the Israeli historian Benny Morris
The Birth of Palestinian Refugee problem
http://books.goggle.dk/books?i…..p;ct=title
http://hnn.us/articles/3166.html
enny Morris’s Shocking Interview
By Baruch Kimmerling
The Israeli historian Benny Morris did it again. Morris is not only a historian with impressive achievements but also an Israeli and international icon. One year after the publication of his book The Birth of Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949, published in 1987, he proclaimed himself a “new historian.” He become the great guru of a small imaginary group appointed by him and including mainly Avi Shlaim, Uri Milstein and Ilan Pappé. Membership in this group varied from time to time according to Morris’s sympathy or antipathy.
Loo Hoo. @ 187
In the post:
Oops, the link won’t load for me either. Gonna check on that.
BigMitch @ 182
Understandable.
Glad the OT police are not picking on people tonight. Funny when the OT police drop in they seem rather selective.
Kathleen @ 202
Give it a rest, Kathleen.
Peterr @ 201
Benedict can’t figure out how Rove got Bush elected president. Twice.
Could be grounds for sainthood for Rove: pulling off not one but two miracles.
kathleen, your Zmag linky no workee.
Petrocelli @ 196
here
You’ll need a California ZIP code. 94110 works.
i know its old news by now, but here are pictures from the protest in DC this past Saturday
Peterr @ 205
I was not being sarcastic with BMitch. All of our hearts need a rest.
But I seriously mean what I said about the OT police being selective. It’s obvious,selective and you know it. I made my point and I will drop it
TeddySanFran @ 210
Thanks Buddy, I shake my head that we have come so far, yet achieved so little …
SeamusD @ 207
Hope that works
http://www.zmag.org/content/sh…..emID=11102
Hugh @ 164
Hugh’s on a roll tonight! Keep it up, guy!
I am going to ask this question in the most neutral, non-accusatory terms possible because I respect your opinion, and your perspective, TSF.
Are you sympathetic to Idaho’s Senator Craig in his present situation?
***NO snark was employed in this post ***
Can someone please explain why anyone still gives a sh*t about John Kerry’s membership in Skull & Bones?
Blub @ 200
My source (and Sanders’ wiki) identify him as GOP. Whatever — it only proves how important it is to be OUT to everyone we know, including our DADs!!
Yes!
Thanks, burns:)
Kathryn in MA @ 211
Great pictures. The sea of signs at the anti-invasion marches have been amazing. I was surprised by how many Fascist signs older people were carrying at the marches before the invasion. More and more people began to carry them at each successive march in D.C. and New York.
burnspbesq @ 217
Or care about Skull and Bones itself. It’s really just a boys club – they could meet in a tree house and it would be the same thing.
raven @ 157
The good old days! I was a white bird…
burnspbesq @ 217
Can someone please explain why anyone still gives a sh*t about John Kerry?
burnspbesq @ 217
Edited to express my question. Mitch
Petrocelli @ 213
Hey TSF and other Firepups, here’s my first draft to the Governator … am requesting input before sending:
Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
I strongly propose that you join the 21st century and afford equal rights to all Americans, including members of the Gay/Lesbian community. America lags other First World countries in supporting Gay/Lesbian rights to marriage and equal rights under such laws.
You will agree that you would have not reached such success, if laws were enacted that prevented non- Americans from having equal opportunity in this country. Search your soul and you will find that true courage means supporting equal rights for those, whose lifestyle might contradict but not impede your own.
American cannot call itself a beacon of freedom when it so readily denies basic human rights to a segment of its citizens.
Yours Sincerely,
…
burnspbesq @ 217
I know the idea that John Kerry and George Bush have a secret forum and a secret body of knowledge on which they both totally agree,have sworn to carry out, and sworn to keep secret, seems to me uncomfortably close to star-chamber stuff. I know, in all probability, harmless…but….
Kathleen @ 214
Does indeed. Thanks.
ACLU’s defense of Nazi’s in Skokie Illinois was NOT their finest hour. Used a Jewish lawyer for effect. That is not a principled defense of the 1st Ammendment. That is complicity in an effort to be unduly provocative. The right to free speech is inviolate. But that wasn’t the only point that needed to be made. The Nazi’s succeeded in using the Constitution against us. The ACLU helped.
Kathryn in MA @ 211
THANK YOU for protesting, and for posting these photos!!
Mitch@228
Who decides what is is allowable? Scalia? You? Kathleen?
LS @ 185
Too funny, LS!!
raven-music to go with the lyrics of your 126……..although not the whole song……..love that song.
one of my favorite songs of all time, bonnie raitt singing mose allison’s everybody’s cryin’ mercy……..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y8a91Hrv1us
TeddySanFran @ 229
These protests have to get bigger and be held in more cities, right up until Congress grows some spine and enact laws to get the troops out of Iraq !
TeddySanFran @ 218
He probably is, by registration, but they didn’t endorse him as their candidate and he ran as an indie. The business community and the rethug community wound up backing him as the worst of two alternatives against pro-labor/pro-rent control/anti-developer/pro-environmental conservation Donna Frye (the surfer councillor), after their own rethug candidate was wiped out in the first special election. Frye scared the traditional rethugs to death. Since then, he’s been trying to ingratiate himself with the rethug party, since they would be the only base he might conceivably be able to develop.. .otherwise, i think (and hope) he’s a one-termer. Please move to San Diego.. and vote for Donna in the next election.. just for spite.
Hugh @ 186
It may have been viewed through a purple haze.
BigMitch @ 216
From what I’ve read and heard, there was very little illegal that went on in that men’s room. I think Officer Dave would have been wise to let things, um, proceed a bit before waving his badge. It’s not illegal to meet someone for gay sex; public sex is illegal, but hooking up for sex is not. Otherwise, there’d be lotsa gay bars outta business.
On the other hand, it couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy, with a nicer Minority Leader!
BigMitch @ 228
I detest the Nazis and the KKK but the Constitution gives us freedom of speech and I had a really hard time with this until I realized that meant everything (except yelling fire). If we were only free to do and say “nice” and pleasant things what good would it do?
nonplussed @ 222
That made me feel 20 again! I can’t tell if that is good or bad.
RonD @ 226
Not at all harmless to the remains of Geronimo, though.
And did the white rabbit see the orange sunshine through the
stained glass?windowpane, I believe.CTuttle @ 164
This was more MSM spin Barak never agreed to sign and Arafat was blamed by the MSM for the failures. Most Americans believed that spin (are we surprised?) that the lack of an agreement was Arafats fault.
Carter mentions this spin in his book. “Palestine Peace: Not Apartheid”
Loo Hoo. @ 215
Didn’t DiaperVitter threaten to fillipamper the Huggieas Corpus bill today? He Luvs doing crap like that. Asshole.
gordonm at 133 says-”Any Muppet movie is among the greatest of all time.
One of the puppet makers for the Muppets was Robert McCloskey, who (besides from living a few miles from here) wrote some of the greatest kid’s books of all times – Make Way for Ducklings and the Homer Price series.”
in his hometown in ohio, there are sculptures of his characters from his books……..there is a little park downtown with them, flowers, a path, really neat……..
marymccurnin @ 238
That would depend on whether you were good or bad at 20 … *g*
OK, poor Kirk ended up feeling horrid about this last night. I’m not prone to that, so here goes.
Kathleen: while your posts are well documented and you do not use inflammatory language, you very obviously have one and only one priority – to get the information out there, no matter how OT it is. And it is almost always wildly OT.
Big Mitch: While you are only OT on issues pertaining to shorn-haired, imperialist baseball teams, and your posts are heart-felt, they are rarely documented and usually cherry picked in what you respond to.
So: Kathleen, if the post count isn’t past 100, shut up. And Big Mitch, if you don’t have a reasonable link to counter it, shut up.
I don’t really give an eff if I’ve lost 2 friends. But if you follow my advice, maybe you guys won’t each lose a few hundred.
Kathleen @ 241
I really should read that book, thanks Kathleen !
nonplussed @ 230
Not me. I just like to read.
GordonM @ 166
I loved the spoonerisms in one of his books, the one about a donut machine that wouldn’t stop making donuts. ;)
Petrocelli @ 244
When I was good I was very good but when I was bad the boys really liked it.
Petrocelli @ 246
It really is worth it
I’m always amused when attorneys tell me the point of view they passionately disagree with is “not principled”.
Sez who?
I’m am so glad I’ve spent my educational and professional life studying and maserting empirical information leading to testable hypotheses about the material world.
That’s science – and medicine is applied biology.
I watch some attorneys use their training and parse words to support any assertion they please – deliberately seeking to create as large a fact-free zone as possible.
Of course, the “solutions” cooked up in the fact-free zones always fail. Persuasion of the audience doth not a testable hypothesis make.
I so respect attorneys like those in the ACLU who have the wisdom to transcend the parties and look beyond to fundamental issues of Constitutional rights. I’m glad the ACLU understands that our rights are first denied to the most objectionable among us.
I used to think all members of the Bar had the same gifts.
Wish they did – we’d live in bette world ad have more factual discussions and solutions.
‘Til then, there’s always bombast, bluster, and pissing on the drapes.
Of course – if one seeks conflict – that’s the goal all along.
What a sad behavioral trap for anyone to inhabit.
bonkers @ 242
One has to appreciate the deep personal sacrifice Vitter and Craig are making here for their country… ignoring their long-held and deeply progressive views about human rights — as expressed through their own life choices about issues such as sexuality — to serve the greater good of their party, by voting for giving Dear Leader the tools he says he needs to fight tuhrurists. One has to salute these two brave Wide Stancers for their stand on principle ;-P (for clarity: this is sarcasm.. not a troll comment)
BigMitch @ 61
I hate it when talk like a pirate day isn’t on a school day for me. It’s pretty cool to be able to get 110 kids to go “AAaarrrggghhhh!” together.
Is the Minneapolis-St. Paul rivalry going to play into this Craig tourism thing? How can St. Paul catch up? Maybe they’ll try and get a prominent pol busted in St. Paul during the GOP convention, so that they can be back on the map.
GordonM @ 245
I disagree and thats o.k.
marymccurnin @ 249
So what you’re saying is, when you were good, you were really good and when you were bad, you were great !!! *g*
Petrocelli @ 224
Pet, add something about how California needs to lead the nation. He’s big on that.
Loo Hoo. @ 256
nation state! The governator declared us a nation state earlier this month!
KathryninMA, thanks for the photos!
Blub @ 257
Does that mean we get to invade DC?
I’ll be the leader, Okay?
kirk murphy @ 251
Kirk, will you marry me? I was going to say the same thing but your effort far surpassed what I would have written.
Kathleen @ 250
I love Jimmy Carter, I just haven’t read any books (except The Far Side & Calvin Hobbes) in the past 3 years because I’m writing one of my own.
Twain says
September 19th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Blub @ 257
Loo Hoo. @ 256
Pet, add something about how California needs to lead the nation. He’s big on that.
nation state! The governator declared us a nation state earlier this month!
Does that mean we get to invade DC?
I’ll be the leader, Okay?
Hooray.
Ecotopia rising!
kirk murphy @ 251
Excellent as always, Doc … it really is a sad behavioral trap and those who adopt it lose the most, although this is not readily apparent.
Thank you Gordon M. Nice try.. I hope its taken in the spirit I think you clearly intended.. However, I do not see any evidence either individuals care one bit what others think.
Lawd knows I have seen dozens try with no success so far.
kirk murphy @ 262
With Arnie as president? Gag.
Petrocelli @ 255
Well, I am a scorpio after all.
Petrocelli @ 261
about?
Petrocelli @ 258
You need some early Walt Kelley in there for balance!
Did someone mention Arnie?
The Gropinator (literally in this video) at your service via YouTube
But marymccurnin – I’d be honored to be your spouse, but IIRC the
positionrole is occupied by a far better man.BigMitch @ 228
Against us? The good guys? …or everybody? Hmmm….
TRex is upstairs with Rethug bitchez
Watchout folks, the OT police is here.
g’evening
Loo Hoo. @ 256
Excellent, Petro — and something about “following the will of the people” and not wanting to be left behind in the history books of the future (written by robots).
bonkers @ 241
10 points!!!
Kathleen @ 267
Yoga/meditation … living your full potential …
EPU land -
TSF -
Now *this* is a story with which the purveyors of so-called news can really run! ;-)
TeddySanFran @ 13
Thanks for this specific linky.
OT-Hi, Suzanne!
Petrocelli @ 276
Excellent. Good luck with it
Thanks also, GordonM.
What ES said…
If you go through the comments it does not take long to see how many people go OT, and what gets singled out by the OT police. Just so obvious
Mitch I sincerely hope your heart is at rest
Hi Suzanne – I think we got our wish for cooler weather!
With winds like these, i’m glad you didn’t try diving tonight.
and…
new thread upstairs!
GordonM @ 244
Some of what the two of them point out is valid. Kathleen, in my opinion, you could link to far fewer links that you consider the most important and relevant to the topic. I agree, Big Mitch, that you take one position without links to back it up. Not saying you’re wrong, just that we don’t take opinion as fact.
You guys are both great, and the P/I situation is miserable and most important. Just maybe consider other issues and be considerate of the topic at hand?
Gordon M’s response proves the point of how outraged people get about this issue. Mitch and I were not even arguing yet Gordon went on the attack.
Many people went off topic on this thread
kirk murphy @ 280
Real nice telling people to “shut up” real nice.