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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/#comment-980596</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On debating, filibustering, cloture votes and final votes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the Senate a side which doesn’t have enogh votes to stop a bill’s passage can continue debate indefinately. That’s called a filibuster. In olden days that was all. you could filibuster forever or stop and let the vote on the bill go forward. But, in recent days a filibuster can be ended if you have 60 votes — that’s called cloture because it’s like a blood clot stopping the flow of blood. If you have 60 votes you can clot debate and move on to actually voting on the bill — usually passing it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are a few more details about procedures, but that’s the big one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On debating, filibustering, cloture votes and final votes:</p>
<p>In the Senate a side which doesn’t have enogh votes to stop a bill’s passage can continue debate indefinately. That’s called a filibuster. In olden days that was all. you could filibuster forever or stop and let the vote on the bill go forward. But, in recent days a filibuster can be ended if you have 60 votes — that’s called cloture because it’s like a blood clot stopping the flow of blood. If you have 60 votes you can clot debate and move on to actually voting on the bill — usually passing it.</p>
<p>There are a few more details about procedures, but that’s the big one.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/#comment-980546</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-979095&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 156&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-979086&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 147&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On Democracy Now Amy Goodman announced that Kucinich and Gravel have been cut out of the last two debates in Iowa.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did I see an article somewhere about Obama and Clinton being overheard discussing cutting some of the candidates out of the process?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;iirc, it was clinton and edwards.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;shit. i HATE it when Democrats show that they hate democracy. i’m going to call all the campaigns of the other candidates and ask that they demand inclusion of all in the debates.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Edwards told Clinton the press was minimizing some of the candidates and making them all look ridiculous. So, he said something about shrinking the debates to only the candidates the press would actually question. Nothing came of it back then. I wonder why it’s being done now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think any of the candidates especially wanted the field shrunk.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, come primary time the wide field only helps Hillary and Obama as the more Progressive/Liberal vote would get split up among 4-5 candidates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m hoping the more Left vote goes to Edwards and the conservative vote gets split evenly between Hillary and Barack. That ought shake up everything very nicely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How’s the weather out in Iowa and up in New Hampshire these days?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d expect a lot of the campaigning will be moving in-doors and the speeches will get more personal and less stratified. More hand-shaking smiling and huggin’ and less oratory.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, the speech content should be a mix of abstract concept and vision on the one hand and some detail of plans and how they’d impact individual lives on the other hand.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People really want to know what impact a candidate as president would have on them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-979095"><em>selise @ 156</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-979086"><em>Kathleen @ 147</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>On Democracy Now Amy Goodman announced that Kucinich and Gravel have been cut out of the last two debates in Iowa.  </p>
<p>Did I see an article somewhere about Obama and Clinton being overheard discussing cutting some of the candidates out of the process?</p>
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<p>iirc, it was clinton and edwards.</p>
<p>shit. i HATE it when Democrats show that they hate democracy. i’m going to call all the campaigns of the other candidates and ask that they demand inclusion of all in the debates.</p>
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<p>Edwards told Clinton the press was minimizing some of the candidates and making them all look ridiculous. So, he said something about shrinking the debates to only the candidates the press would actually question. Nothing came of it back then. I wonder why it’s being done now.</p>
<p>I don’t think any of the candidates especially wanted the field shrunk.</p>
<p>Still, come primary time the wide field only helps Hillary and Obama as the more Progressive/Liberal vote would get split up among 4-5 candidates.</p>
<p>I’m hoping the more Left vote goes to Edwards and the conservative vote gets split evenly between Hillary and Barack. That ought shake up everything very nicely.</p>
<p>How’s the weather out in Iowa and up in New Hampshire these days?</p>
<p>I’d expect a lot of the campaigning will be moving in-doors and the speeches will get more personal and less stratified. More hand-shaking smiling and huggin’ and less oratory.</p>
<p>Still, the speech content should be a mix of abstract concept and vision on the one hand and some detail of plans and how they’d impact individual lives on the other hand.</p>
<p>People really want to know what impact a candidate as president would have on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Publicus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/#comment-980517</link>
		<dc:creator>Publicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;What the f%ck good are “unalienable rights” if the criminals in our government suspend them?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>What the f%ck good are “unalienable rights” if the criminals in our government suspend them?</b></p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/#comment-980494</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-979003&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Toby Wollin @ 68&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think Move-On should do a big ad for tomorrow letting people know just who voted against restoratino of Habeas Corpus, with a good fat juicy headline like: These people voted to strip your right of Habeas Corpus and list all the no votes in big type.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More than that — they voted to OVERTURN THE CONSTITUTION&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-979003"><em>Toby Wollin @ 68</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I think Move-On should do a big ad for tomorrow letting people know just who voted against restoratino of Habeas Corpus, with a good fat juicy headline like: These people voted to strip your right of Habeas Corpus and list all the no votes in big type.</p>
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<p>More than that — they voted to OVERTURN THE CONSTITUTION</p>
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		<title>By: the wheezer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/#comment-980293</link>
		<dc:creator>the wheezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Notice all the Nays are among Repubs and Leiberman.  Nary an exception.  This should be hung aroung their necks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-979813&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;alank @ 225&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ordered by vote and party affilation&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Lincoln    Blanche L - ( D - AR) AYE&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Lieberman  Joseph I. - ( I - CT) NAY&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/code&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice all the Nays are among Repubs and Leiberman.  Nary an exception.  This should be hung aroung their necks.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-979813"><em>alank @ 225</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Ordered by vote and party affilation<br />
<code><br />
Lincoln    Blanche L - ( D - AR) AYE<br />
…<br />
</code><code><br />
Lieberman  Joseph I. - ( I - CT) NAY<br />
…<br />
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		<title>By: Dr Zen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/#comment-980190</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know, when these rightards talk about how terrible it is to allow immigrants in because it “dilutes our heritage”, you’d think it would occur to them that…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LOL. Who am I kidding? Anyone who votes for these fuckers doesn’t have things’ occurring to them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, when these rightards talk about how terrible it is to allow immigrants in because it “dilutes our heritage”, you’d think it would occur to them that…</p>
<p>LOL. Who am I kidding? Anyone who votes for these fuckers doesn’t have things’ occurring to them.</p>
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		<title>By: joanne g murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/#comment-980109</link>
		<dc:creator>joanne g murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the Dems have a majority what else is needed? What is “cloture”?  Help I am so ignorant!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Dems have a majority what else is needed? What is “cloture”?  Help I am so ignorant!</p>
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		<title>By: mattsmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow!!!  Both of my senators (Bayh-D and Lugar-R) voted FOR closture.  I’m very pleased to be from Indiana (at least until my congressman Mike Pence-R opens his mouth on any topic).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!!!  Both of my senators (Bayh-D and Lugar-R) voted FOR closture.  I’m very pleased to be from Indiana (at least until my congressman Mike Pence-R opens his mouth on any topic).</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/#comment-980088</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-978989&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RevDeb @ 54&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tom Allen just got another arrow for his quiver against Collins.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aye, well put!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-978989"><em>RevDeb @ 54</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Tom Allen just got another arrow for his quiver against Collins.</p>
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<p>Aye, well put!</p>
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		<title>By: comsympinko</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/#comment-980067</link>
		<dc:creator>comsympinko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That should be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salisburycathedral.org.uk/gallery.php?id=8.&quot;&gt;http://www.salisburycathedral.......php?id=8.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should be <a href="http://www.salisburycathedral.org.uk/gallery.php?id=8."></a><a href="http://www.salisburycathedral.......php?id=8" rel="nofollow">http://www.salisburycathedral&#8230;&#8230;.php?id=8</a>.</p>
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